Into the Light Podcast
Mediums Melanie Smith and Laura Hillkirk are sharing their weird every day lives with you. From spirit encounters to their healing journeys that led them to the place they are today. Together they will discuss healing, haunted locations, traveling as a medium, energy work, fairies and so much more. Join these besties as they share it all.
Into the Light Podcast
Exploring Portals and Vortexes: A Journey Through Energy Fields
Dive into the mysterious realms of vortexes and portals, and how they affect our energy and experiences. We unravel the differences between the two, explore personal encounters, and discuss Native American folklore connecting these phenomena.
• Define vortexes and portals and their unique characteristics
• Examine personal experiences and emotional responses to vortex energy
• Understand the connection to Native American culture and folklore
• Discuss the role of intention in creating vortexes
• Highlight the importance of navigating negative energies
• Share listener stories and insights on vortexes and portals
If you have questions or experiences about vortexes or portals, we'd love to hear from you! Email us at ITLpodcast1212@gmail.com.
This is Into the Light Podcast with Melanie Smith and Laura Hilkirk.
Speaker 3:Welcome back, hey guys. We've got episode 13, Vortexes and Portals.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's a funky energy all around, that is for sure.
Speaker 3:Oh, Vortexes and Portals. Okay, so let's start with a vortex. What do you think the difference between like a vortex and a portal is? Does that well? What's your take?
Speaker 2:on it. To me, a portal's, an opening or a gateway to another dimension where things can come in and out. Yes, and the vortex is like a mass of energy that moves. The way I see it is a mass of energy and then it kind of moves in a whirling motion and vortex is like this accumulation or like energy pocket that was either there when the earth was created or it was created because of some event that happened at the location, whether it is a spiritual event creating it or a war or something like that. That is how I see a vortex. So I always see them existing where there's a strong. So I always see them existing where there's a strong.
Speaker 3:Like concentration of, like gravitational anomalies is where I usually see vortexes, and then portals to me those are they can be created by people or they just have always existed. Yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah, a vortex, and both can be created, or they could just be like naturally, like occurring, you know, with energy in the earth and and things like that. But we can also sort of create an energy vortex, different places too, with various methods, I feel like. But yeah, a portal is like a place where it can, it takes you somewhere else.
Speaker 2:And go ahead. No, sorry, I was like yeah, because like portals, I always see things come in and out of the portal. So, like when I've done walkthroughs of places, I've seen portal activity where things are coming into a home or they're coming onto a property and they enter and then they leave. So sometimes activity will be stagnant for like a month and then it comes back and it's like that. It's that opening, it's a, it's like a doorway, for lack of a better word, and that's kind of what it looks like, because sometimes portals, when I see them, they're like black holes, yeah, and then I I can see either spirits or like non-human entities walking in and out of them. The same thing we were talking about when we discussed aliens. They can open these portals Aliens, ugh but they can just create them, right, and just open them, whereas spirit, I feel like, needs an invitation or something had to be created for them to enter a space.
Speaker 3:Well, and before we kind of dive into the vortexes I know we both have some stories I want to kind of share just my experiences with feeling them and like what that feels like. But I want us to kind of go back. We touched on this lightly on one of the road trip episodes Native American culture on one of the road trip episodes um, native american culture. So these portals are a part of native american folklore. They're petroglyphs like you can see them. They, like you know, kind of have driven, whether it's spaceships or they all have the same petroglyph type drawings and the same practices. Yet you know, like you had the mayans and then you had like the ancestral play balloons which are supposed to be a like a part of that, and then you've got navajo. You hope you have all these different native american cultures.
Speaker 3:But it is also said, from chimney rock to chaco canyon, that there was some sort of a connection there and the idea and thought process with that is that they were able to come through portals and get places. And when we were in Utah I really was feeling like there were portals underground that you could probably go into and end up somewhere else in the world. Even on this in this dimension, you know, like walk through it. Yes, Like an end up somewhere, because, um, I don't know if we've read this somewhere, if I was thinking that there, but it's like I literally can see. I can see Mayans just like showing up in Utah, or like New Mexico or whatever. I mean, there's these portals that have been around and Utah especially, and you know this, we felt a lot of portal type energy. I mean, the time on the clock, all these things. It's like we definitely now do we drive into Utah and end up somewhere else. No, but there was a loss of time that I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to me that I would consider that more like vortex energy from alien interaction and like that imprinting on the environmental space and I feel portal stuff, though under the ground, like these Native Americans, could be different places.
Speaker 3:Different places, you know, because they talk of these giants, they talk of um, like being in these places, they drew certain landmarks that they would have no way of knowing it was interesting because when we did the tour atde, one of the guides there discussed the ancient like I don't know how to call it, the ah loss for words.
Speaker 2:Sometimes this happens to me I lose my brain. I always say spirit eats my brain and this is one of those situations. Folklore, thank you. One of my guides was like folklore, so they were discussing the folklore of how the Navajos were, how they originated, and the folklore was that they were brought here basically through a portal. She definitely described it in a different way, but it was portal that she was talking about, because they came from another place.
Speaker 3:The swirl symbol yes, the swirl symbol, sort of like our chokure, were all symbol like, yes, the swirl symbol, sort of like our choku ray, but it's just a swirl symbol and that is their symbol for portal.
Speaker 2:It that's like their folklore says that portal allowed them to just transport to places all over the world because they the way that she described it was like they came from, like they came from another place that wasn't earth, and then they were transported here through this portal, the swirl symbol, and this is where they made their home, because it was a story about the spider and the vulture and how they brought them here. Yeah, and I don't remember in great detail what that folklore or that legend is, but they were definitely talking about portals and you know, if you want to talk about how humanity was created, you know you have the religious side of that and then you have, you know, biological factors, biological factors. But then you also have this ideology that people were brought here some other way, either through portals, or that we really are all just aliens.
Speaker 3:I don't know how we got here.
Speaker 2:Conspiracy theories, but portals are definitely one of them where there's a thought process that everybody was brought here, and Navajo with what you're talking about, that was one of them where there's a thought process that everybody was brought here, and Navajo with what you're talking about, that was one of their big stories of their origin, like how they became a part of Earth was not through God or anything like that, but a portal, yeah, which is very interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just remember seeing the spiral and like that, that's what, and then being them telling us that that was that portal and then you can actually see one where they drew like the spaceship and I remember the really big giants and that I don't know that I've seen a portal. I think I felt that there was a portal. I think I felt that there was a portal. I did a house clearing for somebody and they were having all this paranormal activity and there was a portal in the home by like this upper attic and I had to go like up in this attic and basically like call in angels and close this portal. Basically that was in their home. That's really my only experience interacting with that energy. I mean, I have an awareness of them. I don't know that I've seen it. I don't recall if I saw it or just felt it when I was in the house.
Speaker 2:Gotcha See, and I've always seen them because when I do environmental walks to clear spaces and it's not always portal activity the amount of portals I've seen is a very small percentage when I compare it to all the walkthroughs that I've done, but I've seen portals one be created by people. The one experience I had they're having very, very negative demonic activity in their home. It was actually scary when I went there and it takes a lot to scare me. So when I get scared of spirit activity it's a big deal and very, very negative, threatening evil, just evil.
Speaker 2:And you know, doing the walkthrough they weren't very transparent with me and the one thing is you can't lie to me about things when I go through a walkthrough, because my guides always give me a heads up. So I kept asking them what they did and they said nothing and my guides were yelling liars, liars, liars. So I knew they were hiding something and I got to the point where I was like you have to be up front with me because I'm seeing either witchcraft, ouija boards, something. You guys did something and they eventually came clean and they were dabbling and um, playing with we ouija boards and summoning things please don't play with ouija boards.
Speaker 3:Don't let your kids touch we ouija boards. Don't buy ouija boards.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can't yeah I'm not a fan of them not a fan um, if you don't know how to use them properly, you really do put yourself in harm's way of no one does.
Speaker 3:Nobody's using them properly.
Speaker 2:They're using it as entertainment exactly and it's not and a lot of like a ouija board is a divination tool. So what you're doing is you're opening up a doorway, which is a portal, and you're inviting things into your space or home to communicate with you and if you don't close communication when you're done, that doorway stays open, which is what happened to this couple and their home. So they had this big portal open. They invited things in which, if you invite negative energy into your space, it is very hard to get rid of it, because they become territorial and think that they own your space. So they invited them in and when I was doing the walkthrough, I saw this it almost looks like a black hole.
Speaker 2:If you were to think about, like what we see in outer space which I could go on a whole tangent about black holes in outer space, but I will refrain from doing so and scare everybody but it looks like a giant black hole.
Speaker 2:So when I see them, it's like I'll be walking and then all of a sudden there's a void and I'm like, okay, there's a portal there and the energy is very transient.
Speaker 2:So it feels like I can get sucked in or I can pull things out of it, and that's how I feel like the portal energy and to close them I use a lot of witchcraft techniques. That's just how I function. That makes sense to me and I'm sure you can close them in many other ways. But I always use iron, black salt, sometimes holy water in this situation it was definitely holy water and then I almost take like I do like a psychic surgery type of thing with the black hole and I start sewing it up and closing it bit by bit and it's a whole process to it and it is extremely draining because portals can cause such havoc, especially if it's negative things. I have seen it where positive things have come through, but usually, with my experiences and the way that I'm wired, it is usually negative that I'm seeing in locations, because that's what people are scared of. If it's like angels coming in and making you feel all joyous and happy, you're not going to call me.
Speaker 3:You're going to call me if it gets knocked off your shelf or you're getting scratched or beat up.
Speaker 2:That's when you or I will get phone calls, but not if they're like man, somebody just left a hundred bucks on my floor. I'm tired of this, forget this. And, like when we were talking the other day about elementals, that I also feel like they kind of transition through portals as well. Yeah, with you know, especially with fey energy and you know unicorns, they transition in and out from their dimension to ours. Yeah, depending on where they want to be. Yeah, boy, it's on. Portal is very fascinating, very, very fascinating, and I thought when I visited your home that you had like a portal. It always feels like it's towards the back of your field, all the way back by the tree line. It always feels like a portal, like an in and out. Yeah, I don't know if you've ever felt that before.
Speaker 3:I don't feel anything negative.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't feel negative. No.
Speaker 3:I definitely have something in a vortex of some sort as well, like the energy is really intense. I almost think we've probably created that in some way.
Speaker 2:Um, the good energy and I've done something.
Speaker 3:I mean we've healed the land, we've done a lot. So I always do feel um something like behind the barn area there's something, but it's really positive and really like energizing, like my property feels energizing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it doesn't feel negative at all, but it's definitely feels like an in and out and I don't know if it's like Faye energy, but I'm feeling like not all portals are black holes to demons.
Speaker 3:Like no, not at all, really just, and it's important for people to understand that. Like it is a, it's just a pathway. It's a pathway between two things, multiple things. Um, yeah, I think there is some fey, some like earthbound lv type things, and I also there's a lot of native american energy there. So I'm not really even sure what it's tied to.
Speaker 2:Um, I get so much native american energy yeah and that might be like that, that in and out that I feel when I go to your house it always feels like an in and out. Yeah, and that's what. I don't know another way to describe portal energy other than it's like can pull your energy in and then it can push it out, because it's literally could walk through it and end up somewhere else, like the energy exchange is, usually even unless something's trying to pull you in and I've seen that also where you have which we'll talk on a different episode about negative entities and, um, we just haven't ramped up to do that yet because we have to protect ourselves. So, um, there are different portals where they'll try and pull you in, where you get sucked in and then you're just gone. That is also definitely an experience, and I always see portals in different places, like they're just not hanging in the middle of a room, sometimes they're on the floor, the ceiling, a wall. Oh yeah, they can be in many different places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't have a set form.
Speaker 3:No. Yeah, they could be in water you know, just like a vortex, like these things could be in water, they could be on land, they can be in the air, they can be on a wall, they can be really anywhere.
Speaker 2:And like you bring up water, and I always think of the Bermuda Triangle and I'm a big believer that that is a portal. I don't feel like that's a vortex of energy. I feel like that is a portal that can open and close based on the weather, based on whatever is happening energetically in that space, and I think that's really why ships and people have gone missing. It's because they're literally entering another dimensional space through portal activity. Not everybody gets lost in the Bermuda Triangle, but some do. And it's like I feel like it can open and close. So, like these portals, like it's very they're unpredictable, like they open and close.
Speaker 3:There's no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 2:No uh-uh and vortex energy, I feel like, is more stable. It doesn't really open and close the way I've seen it, it's always there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's always there and you can really feel it just like on my property with the vortex energy. I've always had like an awareness of the spot In my experience with vortex. I've never had a negative experience with the vortex. It's always incredibly healing and I gravitate towards them. I've had several like amazing encounters with a vortex and each time I have been moved to tears.
Speaker 2:Is that when you went to Sedona? So in?
Speaker 3:Sedona. You know it's full of vortexes and there's maps with vortexes and of course I was uninterested in the map of vortexes. I don't want to go where every other fucking person listen when I vacation, I don't want to even be by people. I don't want to be in a hotel, I want to be in my own house. I do rentals and Sedona is like disgustingly overpopulated tourism. I mean, it's really kind of sad what's happening to that, this beautiful, incredible area. So, anyways, we stayed in an area where we could walk to these trails and they were not like in the top 10 trails for Sedona, but they were amazing. And so there were two really amazing spots and they're not listed on the Sedona vortex listings, but the one trail in particular my son and I were really drawn to and connected to. Connected to this particular trail is a stupa, so, like the one that we went to, it's a, um, like a prayer center where all religions of all walks of life, you basically come and you pray the way you pray and, um, they had a native American medicine wheel within this stupa and, uh, my son immediately had connected to that but and so we would go, like the group would do a hike and we would do one later that night just us, like, whenever we could. We could not stay off this trail. And there was one part of the trail and I have these amazing photos and you can literally see energy within these photos. We both walk past this spot and we're like whoa spot and we're like Whoa and we went back and I was like, do you feel that? And he's like yeah. And so we sat in this spot in like misty eyes and just like taking in this energy, and it felt. I could feel it humming through my body. I could feel it healing parts of my body. It was incredible. We took our hiking boots off, our socks off. We sat in this spot. I don't even know how long we sat there. It's like we didn't even want to leave and it started getting dark because we were doing like a sunset hike and had it timed out, and so that was a really cool space. There was another hike where we went up and watched the sunrise. We got up at 530, hiked partially in the dark so we could be on the summit when the sun rose. It was just me and my son he was 11 at the time and the energy up there was insane, was insane, like the one that I just spoke of. Was this like gentle energy, like a pulsating. This was like electric, like a like buzz, like a like without my, throughout my whole body. It was incredible. Um, so you know my experiences vortex I've also felt that in Colorado, garden of gods, in incredibly, they, they have vortexes everywhere, and wherever I ended up was that place is also really crowded and whenever I'm in these spaces there's nobody around.
Speaker 3:You know, I was at garden of gods. There wasn't a single person around me when I was soaking up that energy, this trail that we were at, nobody passed us. It was just incredible, but I love it. That feeling is like oh, I don't even know how to explain it, other than your heart is swelling with this beautiful energy is like swelling with this, like beautiful energy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sedona has always been interesting to me because the vortexes were there prior, but I feel like, because there's such a heightened activity there, with people going there looking for answers or on a healing journey or they just simply want to experience it, the intention is always positive. So all that energy is being added to the vortex and it just gets bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger, so it's like it could spread into other parts of the area or the land. And with you having like such a close tie to Native American culture and like you know your past life, you work with that type of medicine and shamanism I feel like you would get pulled to locations where that's just always resonated or been.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you can create some sort of a vortex. These are naturally occurring vortexes from the earth, for whatever reason. But I feel like my shop. I've created a vortex. My shop, I've created a vortex. I have created an energy that is swirling within this.
Speaker 3:There's a reason why people take two steps in this door and start bawling, because there's a vortex happening in here that that intention of I want to heal. They don't even know why they're crying, but their bodies are starting to release because their bodies recognize this is a safe space. I can let things go and people do. They come in here and they'll go. I'm so sorry. I don't know why I'm crying or I'm already emotional. They start crying on the way here. I can't tell you how many times people will tell me I'll have a pop-up or it'll be a client and they'll say as soon as I hit 280 on route 20 coming here, I started crying and I don't know why. I just hit somebody the other day. I'm not even a crier, I don't know why I was crying. I was like, well, your body knew where you were going and so you can create these vortexes as well, like a positive energy, a swirl of that, and it's literally kind of what I think of when I'm in here. I'm always like, when it's swirling, I want it regenerating. That's what a swirl does. It's regenerating. That's that chokure um, that reiki symbol and in that, but yeah, I do feel like I do get drawn to those places.
Speaker 3:I we were on a vacation in the upper peninsula, so the upper upper peninsula and we were actually on the Kiwana peninsula of the UP and we're driving and it's breathtaking. Lake Superior, in itself, I swear, has the most healing, beautiful, amazing energy. The water is the most pristine water I've ever seen. It's so beautiful. Like you go to lake erie and it's like sludge, and then you go to lake superior and it's like, oh my gosh, not only am I standing on carnelian unikites like these amazing crystals, but you're looking at the water and it's ice cold but it's incredibly beautiful. The whole vacation felt very healing.
Speaker 3:But we stopped at this pole bar that had this sign that said crystal. So of course I'm like what's that? You walk in and it's full of crystals, large crystals. I have some big ones that I bought there, um here at the shop, but they were like this 80, they were in their eighties, a couple running this and there were people in there and the guy this guy was like I'll say like 82 years old or something and he's like working, he's like moving these big boxes. And so my husband goes over to help him lift these boxes because he's watching this old man try and moving these big boxes. And so my husband goes over to help him lift these boxes because he's watching this old man try and get these boxes up and it turns out he's like the owner, and so my husband's helping him lift and he turns around and he looks at me and he goes you, I'm like, yeah, he goes, I want to show you something. And I was like, okay, and I go in the back. He goes, it's in the back. He goes bring your family, bring your family to the back in the.
Speaker 3:In the back of this pole barn area is like a, it's like a yard or whatever you know. It's got trees. And I look off to the distance and I see these petrified, huge petrified wood pieces that are like to sit on. They're in a circle. And he said I know when I'm supposed to bring people back here. And I said, okay, and he goes. We have a vortex back here and I want you and your children to experience it.
Speaker 3:And he said because there's I can't remember the name, it begins with an O a Native American culture up there. They still have like tribal police and all of that. And he said they hold their sacred ceremonies in this spot, so the kids and I walk up. He goes feel free, take your shoes off, take your time, spend as much time. And he walked away, left us back there and we took our shoes off. And boy could we feel it. I cried, I could not stop crying. Whatever was happening, I felt like there was like water intersecting or something underneath the land. It was incredibly beautiful, um, but yeah, I didn't really think about the fact that I'm just drawn to these places.
Speaker 2:So did wait. So was the back like was it covered, was it part of the house or was it open land?
Speaker 3:no, so it's kind of like my house where there's like a pole. It was like a big two-story pole barn. That was like a business. It was like a crystal shop. It just had crystals everywhere, big pieces, little tumbles, all this stuff. And then there was probably maybe five or six acres outside. Out back there was a fence kind of blocking off the parking lot area and then in the back were these really cool like dwarf looking trees, like I have a picture of my kids underneath these dwarf looking trees, and then they had the petrified wood and some rocks sitting around. But there was one spot, like the spot he took us. It wasn't like marked, it wasn't where the circle was, there were three trees and you stood underneath the three trees and that's where this vortex was and boy, you could feel it. You could feel it immediately, like I could feel it through my shoes and everything. But I mean we took off all of our shoes and socks so were they still having ceremonial yeah, so that was something.
Speaker 3:Once a month. He said once a month.
Speaker 3:Wow I gathered that that was at one time a part of their sacred land. Of course you know that had been taken over the years and this man was so magical I don't even know if he's still living. I would love to go back up there and talk to him. We were on our way to somewhere else, like it wasn't even a plan to stop there, and I could have talked to that man forever. I don't even know the name of the crystal shot, but I just was like to be moved in that way. The second you feel that energy. And god bless my husband. He just kind of. I mean, he sat there on a petrified rock and was like he's like take your time. And I was like right, I don't want to leave here.
Speaker 2:Do you think that he felt the vibrational frequency there? Because we always get that question Like if you, if you're, if you don't have heightened abilities, can you still feel things? And the answer is yes, it's just whether or not you're open to feeling it or you're blocking it.
Speaker 3:That's how I don't. So this would have been I think this was almost five years ago, and so if he had, I don't think he would have admitted it then If we go and do that now, he's definitely going to tell me.
Speaker 2:He would If he felt it.
Speaker 3:And he's much more like in tune because he gets Reiki, you know, more regularly. But he didn't stand where we were standing, he was sort of like adjacent to it, which almost made me wonder if he was feeling it. I was like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2:He just instinctively didn't walk into it and was like I'll just lean back this way. Yeah, Like I'll just lean back this way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean, those are just a few of my like, I guess, my experiences with portal energy or vortex energy, and it's been so moving, yeah, oh, incredibly moving. It's such a strong feeling.
Speaker 2:It is. It's a very overtaking and powerful emotion, like an emotional response, because your physical body is reacting to that energy frequency Because with vortexes it's usually heightened energetic states. So it's like turning on empathic abilities to a very high frequency and then you're resonating in that. There's been I mean, I've spoken to people before where they've had a vortex experience and then their abilities just pop open because they needed. It's almost like an attunement for lack of a better word for some people when they enter that type of energetic space. I think that's why a lot of people are attracted to Sedona is because they're looking for answers and instinctively they know like vortex energy is something that could get them to a higher frequency or maybe a healing space where they could develop their own self-power and I think every healing, probably every state, has something.
Speaker 3:Oh, I used to. It's a vortex, it's, and it's like an intention You're like, you can set. Like, when I went to that stupa, was that a vortex per se, naturally occurring? No, but as I walked up, I could feel the prayers of everyone that had been there. I actually started bawling when I started walking up because I was getting hit by the prayers of everyone praying please save so-and-so, please help the sick and that, and so there's an you know it's energy, you know, with that, puerto Rico.
Speaker 3:When I went to Puerto Rico that had such a strong vortex energy in various places, magical, magical. That is such a magical place, yeah, where I feel like is such a magical place, yeah, where I feel like there are portals. And now that I'm thinking about it, there was portal energy there. We drove through a spot and I looked at my husband and I was like I just remembered this. I was like there is a portal to somewhere here and there were all of a sudden, aliens on mailboxes. Like you could tell there's been UFO something.
Speaker 3:It was in the South, southwest corner of Puerto Rico and I was like I totally forgot about that until this just now, um, because I got attuned to I was thinking of Puerto Rico, because I did get attuned to something in the water there Um, but yeah, and like all these aliens start showing up and I was just like, drive faster. I didn't even want to be there. I was like I don't even want to be on this road anymore. When I feel like that, it's like we got to go. He's just looking at me like what.
Speaker 3:I'm like no, there's a no, I don't want to be here. I feel like people have been abducted there in that area where we were.
Speaker 2:Alien vortexes freak me out, which we talked a little bit about on the last episode, because it does. You can have reoccurring things where it doesn't become residual energy any longer and it becomes vortex energy because it just keeps growing and expanding. So I mean, yeah, and it's not just the United States, obviously, it's everywhere. When I was in high school, I went, I had the opportunity, I went to Europe and we traveled through different countries and one of the places we traveled was in Switzerland, and you know, you've got the snow-capped mountains, you have water, which I just I love water, I'm just attracted to it, and we stayed in this castle that they turned into some kind of bed and breakfast, which I didn't sleep. I just didn't sleep there, I bet you didn't. No, it was horrible.
Speaker 2:Besides the spirits there, there was also a vortex, and you know I was only 17 when we went. So they're like, you know you can't leave, you can't do this, and I didn't listen. I just didn't listen when I was that age. It just wasn't a thing I did, and so I would leave, like in the middle of the night, it'd be like one o'clock in the morning and I'm walking, which don't ever do this. I was walking in the woods that were behind this place because I felt a pool there and I would just stand. There was a rather large stream. I don't want to call it a river, but it wasn't the size of a river and it was bigger than a stream. So it was like in the middle but it had raging water, but it was only like maybe five inches, so I would just walk across it. It was cold. I mean, it was cold, but you know, I was young, I never wore coats, I don't know, but young people just process temperature different but young people just process temperature difference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd walk across it and then I'd stand facing the water in these trees these giant pine trees and it was just quiet and peaceful and I just hear the water. But I could feel my feet vibrating every. Every time I would go there, it was like this vibration and my feet would feel like it was just vibrating inside of me, like a vibration, and I'd just stand there for like an hour or two and then I'd walk back and go back to sleep, and I did it every night. We were in Switzerland for like three nights and I loved it.
Speaker 2:And now that I'm older, I realized it was a vortex, but it was an earth type of vortex that the earth had created. That was a positive flow in and out, and I wasn't going through the best time. You know, when I, when I went there, my dad was dying and there's a lot of very chaotic energy within me, but it gave me peace which I hadn't felt before until that moment. So it's, you know, vortexes, yeah, they can be healing. I just think that you have to use common sense when you're dealing with vortexes or portals, like, if you have a physical reaction, that's positive, great. If you have a physical reaction that is negative, not so great and you need to listen to that instead of forcing it. Yeah, it's interesting, but you could potentially be putting yourself in harm's way by ignoring your own feelings that you're getting from the space that you're in. Yeah, a lot of paranormal researchers just go ahead with that and they put themselves in a position where now they're getting attacked or they brought something home with them.
Speaker 3:Well, and I want to mention something might be unpopular, um, but whatever, I'm full of opinions. It's our podcast. So, um, yeah, and it really bothers me the paranormal chasers that have no abilities. They really don't know what they're doing. They don't, they can't see it, they can't. You're just messing with people, or some of them are creating portals in places that wouldn't have had a portal, because they don't know what they're doing. I will never understand, in quote, paranormal investigators that have no mediumship abilities.
Speaker 2:To me it's like the intention, Like if you're going in there with an ego trip and trying to egotistically find something to be the first person, you're not going to be respectful, you're going to be poking and prodding and you're going to be antagonistic, which, of course, is going to ramp up the energy, versus if you go in there with a mind frame of like, hey, I know, this is your space, we're just here to see if you'll talk to us and we'd really appreciate you communicating with us. Like me, those are two different things, yeah, and it's like I get very angry with the ones that are antagonistic because most of them are. It's like yeah, well, you're gonna, you, I am demanding you speak to me. Well, if I came into your house and demanded you to talk to me, how would you react?
Speaker 2:Not very well. These are still souls that were, that were physical beings, or you're dealing with non-human entities that simply do not give a fuck about if they hurt you or not. So it's like you're the way it's handled. Is everything to me abilities or not? Because there's some mediums who are assholes too. So it's like it's like you know. To me it's like are you being respectful or aren't you? Would you talk to somebody like that, would you?
Speaker 3:You just have to be so mindful of intentions and what you're doing. And if you don't know what you're doing, you should not be invoking spirits or inviting people in or doing things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's dangerous. It's so dangerous Curiosity factor, I understand that and it's like but at least do some research or learn, take some classes before you participate in something, because you know, listen, I do magical practices and it would be called witchcraft, I probably. You know whatever pitchforks.
Speaker 3:We need to do an episode on that, because I know nothing about any of that. I don't use, I don't resonate with witchcraft in any way, and so we should probably do an episode about that where you can talk about some of that stuff. I got questions, all that's cool my water witchcraft yeah. That is something we've. We're so different and I don't. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Let's mark it down. Yes, write it down. Mark it down. No, I I am fascinated by both. Both vortexes portals. I again vortexes are I. I honestly, until you said that, I didn't even realize how like I'm being pulled into these places like a magnet. No, and I do. It's like you guys, I love to travel and I will just like I will wake up one day. It usually is at two in the morning. I'm like I'm going to this place and I can't get out of my head until I go.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I just feel like it's a magnetic pull to go where my soul is like I have to go Ireland.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, Me too. I have to go Ireland. Oh my God, Me too. My ear just started ringing. I want to go to Ireland so badly and like I feel like I want to just like roll around in the grass there or something I don't know. I just feel like I've got to be in the beautiful countryside and just really experiencing the energy there. Scotland too, but Ireland is big. Ireland's on my list of I gotta go.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's so funny. You mentioned that we were literally just talking about that a few days ago as being a place that we really want to go to. Yeah, it's Ireland. I mean it feels magical, it is. My guides are freaking Celtic witches. I got to go see where my pagan people came from.
Speaker 3:There's one place that it's weird, that I don't feel drawn to go to, that I feel like everybody it's like on their bucket list and it's Hawaii.
Speaker 2:Oh, I do want to go to Hawaii. I don't think I'll go there, but I'm not like God. I do want to go to Hawaii, I don't have a like I think I'll go there.
Speaker 3:But I'm not like God. I'm dying to go there. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I want to feel the volcanic energy. I want to put my hands in the earth and feel that. I just want to feel it.
Speaker 3:I mean, I know my kids would love to go to Hawaii, but I'm just kind of like, take me back to Puerto Rico. I'm telling you guys, that's an underrated place to go and you don't need a passport. It's amazing you got to go. Well, vortexes and portals.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, if you guys have questions, please message us. This is kind of we very broad brushed it, like we do most subjects, because we're trying to cram everything into 45 minutes or an hour. Yeah, so if you got a question or experience of vortex or portal, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, please tell us your stories. We want to hear from you. All right, guys.
Speaker 2:Thank you. We'd love to hear from you. Email us your questions at ITL podcast,1212 at gmailcom.
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