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Into the Light Podcast
Missing People, how intuition can be used to help solve cases.
Two intuitive mediums share their experiences helping solve missing persons cases and murders through their unique psychic abilities, revealing both the powerful results and the heavy personal toll of this extraordinary work.
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this is into the light podcast with melanie smith and laura hillkirk. Welcome back, hey everybody. Today we are talking Whoa, hold on. I just got hit?
Speaker 2:There is no. I just saw another big ass orb go by your head again.
Speaker 1:I felt like this I'm like whoa, all of a sudden I got a wave over me. So today we're talking missing people, us helping a missing person cases, murder cases, things of that nature, and so, yeah, I guess we'll kind of just dive in. Yeah, I guess we'll kind of just dive in. I get asked a lot like how are you able to do that? Or how does that even come in? You like the information, and I actually just talked to a detective about that. They were kind of asking like how does this work? And I'm like well, like well, it's not as easy as like okay, go to 755 West third street, right Blue house on the left.
Speaker 1:And so the way it happens is it's sort of like a puzzle is happening and I have to take the pieces that I see, or the things I hear and the things my body is feeling, and put that all together as a puzzle and then try to figure out where a person is or maybe a body is or things like that. And it's frustrating and I always say I'm never doing it again. How many times have I said that to you? Oh, a dozen or more. I'm never fucking doing it again because you get obsessed with it. I do, I get. I can't stand the fact that somebody's either hurting or missing or families looking for them, and then I can't step away from it and I get frustrated that like I can't figure the piece out and so and it's also extremely exhausting mentally and physically. But every time I help find a missing person I always say I'm never doing it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a normal reaction because it's I mean, it's well, it's overwhelming. And then you get the anxiety that comes in with it's. I mean, it's well, it's overwhelming. And then you get the anxiety that comes in with it too, because you're tapping into something that happened very recently, Cause there is an energy difference between tapping into something recent versus something that happened a long time ago. The energy is more heightened, it's more, you know, hyper, so it does take more out of you versus like someone who died in 1810, who's like, hey, I was murdered and they put me in this like shipping container. Well, and the pressure of it.
Speaker 1:So you know, I've had times where I'm, I'm given resources and people and and you know there'll be a team of law enforcement and drones and things like that to to find a person and and everybody's looking to me for guidance where to go and it's it's a lot of pressure, it's very overwhelming and in those moments you start to question everything. And I've had really positive experiences with law enforcement. I know many, you know intuitives. That has not been the case and I think I work well with law enforcement because I never really want to be a part of the ending, like I'm always, like I don't want, I don't need any part of this, like I don't want to be my name involved or or anything. I just want to. So there's there's sometimes where law enforcement can use me and they don't have to say that they used me, um, and I think that that that's created something good within the law enforcement community that I end up working with. But I don't know, it's the pressure. It's the pressure of like am I getting it right? Am I seeing it right? And this is a good example of am I seeing it right.
Speaker 1:So, when we're tapping in, this was recent. This was a recent case there was somebody I'm not going to go into a lot of detail so people don't relate, we're going to be vague on a lot of this so that we're not disclosing things but there was a missing person and I was seeing a very specific location but it turned out that nearby, in a very similar location, somebody had been murdered, and so I was picking up a lot of physical details from actually that murder, that murder victim rather than the missing person. So there were like part like I got the area right where she was, but I was like, oh, I don't know two roads down and off, oh, I don't know two roads down and off, but the physical symptoms and things I thought was happening to her, some of that was being mixed in with another murder victim, and so that's the kind of stuff it's very confusing to navigate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it can be very confusing and like yeah, because when I tap into stuff like that which is this is kind of funny because I suck at geography, but I'll get I'll see road signs, I'll see a 51 and I know that's like a state route, 51 or something it's. I'll see the numbers or two and I know like what highway or what road. If someone's missing, where they traveled on, or somebody was murdered, I know where their body is based on that road. Well, if you're looking at a map and it's like 51, that highway can stretch for miles and miles, like hundreds of miles at times, but I know they're somewhere there and then I'll get images that go around like that roadway. So that's how I'm able to like pinpoint people when I'm involved with things like, with situations like that. But it does. It can get confusing because sometimes you pick up on other energies around the area that have nothing to do with what you're trying to zone in and focus on. So it can get confusing.
Speaker 1:And it can get frustrating. So I don't see the street signs but I pull up a map of the area where I think they are and I get a feeling in my body. So when I get a feeling in my body I hone in on a place on a map. So like an example of this was there was a missing dog in the area, an older dog. It had gotten out and this was a few years ago. And I pull up the map and I knew the exact area. I knew the dog had passed.
Speaker 1:But I gave the dog owner this area where it could go, where they could go and find it, and she was so grateful and she said you know, like we would have never found, they weren't looking in that area, they were looking closer to home. And I said this is where the dog is. And they were able to at least find the dog and bury it and mourn the dog rather than every night being worried. You know where is my dog at or whatever. And so, um, I don't see street signs but I pull it up on the map in satellite mode and I'm able to see where trees are and stuff. So I'm a like landmark.
Speaker 2:I get you are visuals asking me you're like, look at this map and tell, and I'm like, laura, I can't, like I'm gonna, I'll see it in my head, like yeah, you're like, well, look at the map. I'm like I can't look at the map. I'm like there's a 51 or there's this, and it's like I'll see it that way, like I'll.
Speaker 1:I'll actually the missing person. Yes, yes, yes, fine, yeah, and we were picking up on the murder victim.
Speaker 2:We weren't picking up on the missing person, you were picking up on a person murder I was picking up on a murder victim and that's, and she was buried off of 51, which was kind of. I was like oh, she's still pissed, but um, yeah, but even before then, like when like missing animals or something like that, because sometimes we'll talk with each other, because we get it's easy to bounce things off of somebody who understands what you're doing or has like very similar abilities with but you're you're like, look at this map and tell me what you feel. And I'm like I can't, I that's not how it works. And you're like, just look at the map. I'm like I can't look at the map, like I'm seeing like this in my head and it's like, is it on the map? Do you see that on the map? Because this is what I'm seeing in my head. I hate maps. I couldn't. I couldn't use a roadmap to save my goddamn life.
Speaker 1:Well, in 51, I knew, because I'm from here and 51 is a major road out in here and I was like oh my gosh. And then I saw a face. I was like no, this is the person that was murdered by their husband. Like I could feel that was coming in. And so we had all this stuff and they looked very similar. There was like a similarity.
Speaker 2:And so I was like God, this is fucking like. She's got glasses and brown hair and she's in the ground and you're like no, no, no, that happened a long time ago. And I was like that's the only thing I'm seeing yeah, it's it.
Speaker 1:It gets overwhelming and it's hard to discern. It's a lot of information coming in and then you open that and sometimes then you've got other people that are like well, find me, or find or find my you know, like it gets very overwhelming and I think, coming in at once and trying to figure that out, plus, I think, the pressure really, when I started, I mean even just connecting with my intuition and who I was, I helped find a missing person and that sort of launched me into this place where anytime somebody's missing I am flooded Locally. I am flooded with hundreds of messages right after I found that missing person. Which the short version of that, because it's a very long story. Which the short version of that cause, it's a very long story. I had just really connected to like oh, I'm a medium. I decided I was going to like start doing Reiki as a living.
Speaker 1:I joined four other women in my first like shop or whatever, and there was a woman in town that had dementia, that was missing, and I went past the search party. I went past all these people and was like I know where she is and basically stood and searched for like three hours, had the chief of police after they exhausted all their options. They used me and they were done. They had heat seeking drones. They had. They had cadaver dogs and things like that sweeping this whole area and I had a very pompous sheriff look at me with their dog and say she's not in this woods because our $40,000 drone would have one seen her and the dogs don't smell, didn't get a scent on the perimeter and I was like, okay, but she is here, so okay, and she'd been there overnight, so this was like day two when they found her. And so all of that happened and it propelled me to this place where I had people from all over the country Like I'm talking, from Florida, alaska, arizona, anywhere in the country. Um, that cause, that news story went across the nation, like it was featured on sister stations across the country, and so I I'll never forget, like like I.
Speaker 1:One message was from somebody in Alaska who their sister had been missing. It was an indigenous woman and wanted help and I was just so overwhelmed and I got to a place where I was just like trying to help too many people. Yeah, it was too much. So what I've done now is like when I I asked my guides, is like for safety, because one thing I've learned in doing this and I know you know this as well you have to be really careful for your safety. If you help find a body that that was obviously whoever murders somebody isn't a great person and you help put them away, they can be connected to people.
Speaker 1:I've had missing person cases that I won't touch because it's connected to um drug cartels or um like mob type things or gangs or things like that. It's like if you're low, you know it's local, I love doing it when they're far away, because it's like if you're low, you know it's local, I love doing it when they're far away because it's it takes away that factor, you know, um, and so we got to be careful. So I always ask my guides you know what is this? Something I'm supposed to take on? I'll ask for signs or ask them to just outright um, let me know, but I I don't know. Local is much more difficult and I think that's probably one because of the pressure.
Speaker 1:But I think it's very interesting that I came to know who you were by a local missing person case. So there was a medium at the time who had a connection to each one of us. But Melanie and I had no connection and you were with her like physically, using your intuition, looking for a missing person. I was on the phone and I remember being in Kroger telling her I'm seeing so-so and I was seeing somebody with red hair and a zip up hoodie and she's like, oh, you're seeing my friend Melanie, and I was like, oh, okay, like I was like seeing where you were walking because I think I was like traveling to there or whatever. But um, so I actually came to have an awareness of who Melanie was on on a day that we were both helping to find a missing person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so funny because I've never I'm even know who you were. No, like I had the idea the other person was even talking to other people about trying to locate this individual. So it was like when we, when we started becoming friends and we talked about that scenario, we both had a what the fuck moment, because I was like when you were on the phone and I was over there, I mean, and we were not in a good neighborhood, I mean, this was definitely a very impoverished area. There was a lot of drug use and gang activity in the area we were walking around, so it was not safe. And we're doing this at night trying to help a family find their missing loved one, which it didn't have a very happy ending, but at least there's closure with the body.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that was, I don't know, local cases. Do you get messages? We've gotten phone calls asking We've had some very big cases around this area where I just I don't touch them because I know the family is involved, and then they're trying to act like they didn't do anything and they're asking me, the mother, and I'm going you fucking killed him and I knew that.
Speaker 1:So I was like, okay, I'm not touching this, I'm not, this is for the police, I don't get involved with that. And the other important thing to say is I won't just talk to anybody about it. I have to have, like an immediate family member and I won't do anything to obstruct a case, and so that's why a lot of times, anything I get, I will just turn over to law enforcement and then, whether they're like even open to that or not, I just say then you can do whatever you want with this. Locally, what I have to say is usually well-received because I've helped find a lot of missing people, and so that's usually okay. But it's like I I want to talk to family. So in the example of this is there was I had gotten a message from somebody in Texas. So when this news story went viral, so like when I found that missing person the first one was right around Labor Day in 2019. And right around November they started like rerunning that news story, because it took a few months for them to know, because I didn't want anyone to know. So then they do the news story and I got a call from somebody that was the head of a search party in Texas and there was a woman that had gone missing. She had two young children and it was like very obvious that something had happened and so immediately I knew the husband had had killed her, had killed her. So anyways, the woman, I had somebody call me from the search party and I said I have to talk to a family member. I need to talk to a family member and then also being really uncomfortable because I knew they're searching for somebody with the hopes that she's living, and I know, I knew right away she, she was not, she was not living and she was really an integral part in helping find her body, and so I reach out. So there was a sister that lived in Florida and her and I we talked and we, you know, we started it. This took me months. It took months for this to happen.
Speaker 1:But I'm telling this story because it's a really good example of how the information I get and how it means nothing to me. So I'm getting information about a town, in a state I've never been to, I don't know, like here, if I see a landmark, I'm going to know that landmark, but far away, you know, I don't know. So I kept seeing terracotta pots over and over and over again. Every time I'd asked for clarity. I kept seeing these two terracotta pots sitting there and I would tell the sister you know, oh my God, there's terracotta. Like I would tell the sister. The sister would write things down and then relay it to the search party.
Speaker 1:Looking for things. I kept seeing the water tower in the distance. Like I was standing there and out in the distance I could see this water tower, things like that, little details. I could see the exact thing of what happened the night she was murdered. I saw all of that. I saw her be rolled up in a red blanket. I said I think the van's out of state. There was a van. Turns out the van was in Florida. They found the van, they found the red blanket, they found like those kinds of things. And so the sister started getting frustrated.
Speaker 1:And then, like I think question like if I was capable of of actually being helpful, and I was getting really frustrated, went on for like three months and, um, I finally drew a map. I drew the most God awful map, but I could see myself going up. It was a stone road or access way and I could tell it was going uphill. I said you're going to go up the hill and then you just veer right. I couldn't see a house, I couldn't see anything else. But I saw the terracotta pots again and then I said X amount of distance is where I felt like I was like standing.
Speaker 1:They found her and the sister ended up sending me a photo. And it was an abandoned house. And you went up this hill. In the distance you could see the water tower house and you went up this hill in the distance you could see the water tower. But when you came up the drive there were these two cement posts with two terracotta pots. That's where, like I'm sharing that because it's like that's I didn't know what the terracotta pots meant, but the landmark literally in the entrance of where she was. They buried her on this abandoned house.
Speaker 2:It's a landmark of it. So it's like spirit is sometimes like when they die, the way they do like that. It is hard for them to start communicating because they're frantic with the way they pass. So she was showing you the landmarks the best way that she could so that you could help find her body, which is really amazing. Right that? It brings justice, brings justice and then it also helps. Did he end up going to jail?
Speaker 1:Yes, so it gave me the chills. It was like one of those really good endings to a bad situation. Yeah, they did end up putting him away. Finding the red blanket was huge and putting him away because, like the, everything was very clear. Then he drove that out of state. He had his children with him in the truck while he was towing the van that his mother was in. That their mother was fucking disgusting, but he got put away. He's he's put away forever and the sister has custody of the kids and so, um, it's really neat to be able to see that they're thriving because of their sister.
Speaker 1:But just a horrible, horrible situation. Um, it was those little landmarks, but that's the kind of thing where it was just three months of a lot of frustration. And again after that I said I'm never doing this again, and, and I have since then. But, um, it's just not fun on our end to do it, and, and even right now, as we're talking about this, I have a fucking terrible headache all of a sudden, because I'm sort of tapping into that and I want it to go away. Um, and I want to talk about that too, because we can physically feel the pain if that's how we're being shown to help.
Speaker 1:There was a time Melanie came into the shop, into my shop, and I had just seen somebody earlier in the day and there it got brought up that like her cousin, her like adult cousin, had been missing for a really long time from in California. And as soon as I started to just like friend to friend we're talking about this Melanie collapses in fucking agony Like you were over in pain. I'm trying to Reiki you, I'm trying to disconnect you from that. I felt awful because you were coming into shop crystals and I ended up like we're, like like brought to your knees.
Speaker 2:It was a lot, it was. My body felt like it was broken. It was horrible, awful pain. It was terrible. It was terrible.
Speaker 1:Together, we started getting a lot of information and we took a lot of notes to give to the family that day. Unfortunately, this is California, where there's these vast, large national forests yes, national forests and things where it's going to be really difficult to find or, you know, in this situation off of an incline, to be able to see down in that. So, but we do physically feel it. I mean, there's times where it's like you feel like you're choking and you're like, oh gosh, this person was choked. You know, I've had that. Or immediately someone's telling me about the case, whether that's law enforcement or whatever and I'm like, oh, my gosh, they were strangled. And they haven't even told me that yet. And they're like, yeah, they were strung. I'm like, oh, I can literally feel it, cause I feel like I'm being strangled. This is why I can't watch unsolved mysteries or anything anymore, because I start girl.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, but I I watched an unsolved mysteries. I think I was with my daughter and I grabbed my notebook and I watched so many, I wrote down so much stuff and I emailed. I emailed unsolved mysteries and I always start out with yep, I'm a medium. If you stop reading, I don't blame you, and then I just give them all the information that I got and if it helps, it helps. But it's like those, the unsolved mysteries, or even, um, like the true crime scenarios, or if they have like an active case that's still going on for like 20 years or so. I I mean, most recently, I just watched something and I emailed the detective who was on the case. This was out in mont Montana and they're just trying to locate this woman's body. And I got all this information because I started seeing like the route, like the number for the route again, I started seeing what state and like lake markers and different things like that. I even got the name of one of the lakes. So I just mentioned, I like put all this stuff down for them and what they do with it. They do with it, but it's yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:It can be like an influx, but the pain that goes along with it and then, yeah, I can't. I have to stay away from watching those. I can't sleep. They'll end up coming to me at night while I'm sleeping. I had a friend If he listens to this I don't know, but Rob, one of my friends. He used to call me murder Melanie because I would get all of these murder victims all the time Like I had to keep. I still have a notebook, you do though they find you like I'm not.
Speaker 1:your interaction is like they're coming and finding you. What my situation is more like the living coming to me saying help me find this person, and so, um, I mean you do, you're encountered, and a lot of people in their dead state I feel like you're encountering always in their death state and it's like the worst, because I always look at did you have another orb?
Speaker 1:it's like can you see it? Just sitting here, can you see the same thing? There's literally like I feel like I see angel wings. Oh, the whiteness. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, I see it now. Yeah, the window's over here, that's weird.
Speaker 2:That's weird. Sorry to interrupt. They're like protecting us. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:That's kind of angel hanging out over here. Yeah, that's odd.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we got like. Yeah, they do, they always find me. I had gosh. There's so many different scenarios, but the one that was the weirdest I want to say it was weird. It's like sometimes they talk to me because they just have to like figure out what the fuck just happened and it's like they just want to talk to somebody about it.
Speaker 2:And I had this little lady that came up to me. She looked like she was Chinese, american and she was she. When she came up to me she was stabbed everywhere. She had blood all over the place. I mean it's not pretty. Thank God I don't have a weak stomach and I mean part of her innards were hanging out. I mean she got completely mutilated.
Speaker 2:And she starts telling me this story about how her son was mad that he wouldn't give her any money so he stabbed her to death and put her in a garbage can and she sat outside in the garbage can and then one day he took the garbage can out and put it in the trunk. And then she puts me on the highway and I saw this sign that said leaving New Jersey and going into New York. And then so I knew she lived in New Jersey, but then he put her in the trash can and they drove to New York and she said she sat outside of his house for like months and then the police found her body in the garbage can and she was like crying and how could my son do this to me? And I'm like I'm so sorry, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. So and I was talking to her and then she was able to move on, which is nice, because you don't want people to be stuck, because sometimes when they're murdered, they become earthbound right. So it's like they get stuck here.
Speaker 2:So she found me and talked to me and I was like did I make this up in my head? So I looked it up and there's a whole news article about exactly what she said and it was in New Jersey, she was found in New York. It was this whole big thing. And I was like said, and it was in New Jersey, she was found in New York, it was this whole big thing.
Speaker 2:And I was like, okay, you know it was validation for me, because sometimes we need that, because this is all happening in our minds, like we're seeing the information, and it's just like you need that validation and confirmation sometime and I definitely needed it for that one, but she was so specific with where she was at and a lot of the people that come to me, I don't always find them, I don't always know who it is. I'm like, sometimes I'll get their names, sometimes they'll show me exactly where they're at, exactly exactly where they're at, exactly what happened to them, but then I don't have a connection to a living person to even help them, like it's like so it's frustrating.
Speaker 1:Opposite frustration because you're like able, you know you've seen all the things, but they could be anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2:Honestly, well, yeah, but usually they're very good at pinpointing what state they're in or where they're at. So it's like if I I mean, I don't know, if I wanted to, I could maybe go take a shovel and start digging, but I don't know how smart that would be of me. It'd be like mommy, medium slash serial killer. They'd probably try and like get me for killing. I know, know it's like that's another thing.
Speaker 1:It's like if you know too much about a case, it can really like you know what I mean Like you could be. So we just have to be so careful with this. Um, like I said, I don't love it. I don't love doing it, but at the same time it's like if I can help somebody but it takes so much out of me because the thing is, it's not as simple as okay, it's this, and then you just you know it's not always just so cut and dry and figuring that out, and if it's something that could bring danger to me and my family, it's an automatic no for me, it just yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it has to be and like it has to be, because it can totally, 100% turn your life upside down. Yeah, it can just turn your whole life upside down. When I've worked with detectives and law enforcement officers I'm very careful with that, and so are they, because in the state of Ohio medium or psychic testimony is not admissible in the state of in court. So if you, if you or I, have any kind of influence on a case that gets somebody convicted, that can be thrown out and that person can be released Always on the deal.
Speaker 1:I'm always like, yeah, I'll help. I mean, my job is to try and lead you to a body or evidence that you get to use in a case. But you can't use me. I'm just the, I'm just guiding you to something that's going to help you uncover the thing, because otherwise that kind of can ruin a case and that's not what we want. Then it's all for nothing.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, because it's a lot of pressure and it's you feel obligated to help because you know you have a big heart and we're good people. So it's you feel obligated to help because, yeah, you know you have a big heart and we're good people. So it's like you try and help too many people and then it's, it becomes too overwhelming and it's just not physically possible.
Speaker 1:It's just not it's just like healing in reiki there's never a shortage of people that need healing. There's never a shortage of missing people or people that need help or people murdered, and so like we have to draw the line somewhere with where does that help stop? Um, it's really hard for me and honestly pets are the really hard one for me to say no to cause. I'm an animal lover. I love it when the dog's missing. I can't stand the thought of a dog out in the cold or wherever with no food, like I can't tell. I just did this a few weeks ago. My husband got home and I was like I'm putting on mock boots. Do you want to come with me? There's an old dog in this area and he followed me and I was like grab the pepperoni and cheese and the leaf walking through fields and stuff looking for this dog, because I just I I love animals but I mean, and I love people too, but it's just, it's a lot and I'm not, I don't like doing it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I don't, yeah, the I don't know. I still get the murder victims. I still get every now and then I'll have people ask me to help them locate missing people. But I don't like doing that because I'm always like, well, they're dead, so you're going to find a body, you're not going to find them alive. And usually people get mad, mad and they're like no, I don't believe you and I'm like, okay, like I'm very sorry for your loss, but I know this information, what I'm saying, because I am talking to your departed loved one right now. They're not alive anymore and I'm sorry, and this is what happened.
Speaker 2:The worst one was a suicide where they thought the person had been kidnapped because they abandoned their vehicle. And I was like no, I'm like I'm very sorry. I said they took their life. You know, they're in the middle of the park somewhere. They did it by the lake, there's like the tall grasses that have like the things on the top of them. I said, yeah, and I'm like that's where they're at. They're at the edge of that. They did it looking out at the water and they shot themselves and I'm very, very sorry and they were oh God, I got called every name in the book.
Speaker 2:They wouldn't do that. They were religious, they were happy. You don't know what you're talking about. You're a fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was like two weeks later the person messaged me back apologizing. And I get it because people get angry because it's not you're grieving, it's not what you want to hear. So I hate doing stuff like that because it's I hate doing stuff like that because it's I don't like giving that type of news to people and it's always very frustrating to me. But the spirits that are already dead, they're a little bit easier to talk to because they just tell me what happened to them and I just write it down.
Speaker 1:Finding a living missing person is the most difficult. I just had somebody call me about something else and when they were like yeah, we know that they're passed, I'm like, okay, that's actually way easier for me to help find because we're not one. I'm not in a race against time. Right person help and to the way I have to tap into that person is way different. The way I'm getting that information is much different than speaking to someone who's departed already. Um way, way harder.
Speaker 2:it's so much harder to find it is, and a lot of time with missing people, I'm like I, I tap out into the ether and I'm like, okay, you got, is this person got a grandma over here or an uncle or somebody who wants to come forward and help me out with this shit? Like, are we supposed to find this person? Because then it, sometimes it goes into that stuff, no matter how much people don't want to hear that where you want to think, oh things, sometimes things just happen because they happen. I don't believe in that. I think there's always a fabric or a plan for everything. So sometimes the plan is that person's body isn't found for a while, because whatever the universe is doing, the universe is doing. So it's like that's always hard to explain to people too, because you're dealing with such heightened emotions Like if, if my somebody I cared for went missing. I would never want someone to say that to me, ever right, but sometimes that's what it is and I don't know what else.
Speaker 1:there's a timeline to it, because maybe in a way that justice, that person has to fuck xyz up in this time period when your loved one isn't being found, and so that's a really good point too. You know messing with timelines and stuff, and that's why I always refer back to my guides, like, is this something I'm supposed to be doing? Like I need a yes or no? Um no, then I'm not. I'm not doing it where before I felt like I was like, okay, I'm going to help anybody that's asking for it, and it's just not realistic.
Speaker 2:Um, but you don't want to mess with the timeline of that, no, and it's like I'm always very cognizant of that when I do stuff like this, because it's it's like, okay, may I, might this might not meant to be happening right now, because the person who did this, they have to go through whatever, like you said, and it's got to follow this stringent timeline in order for justice to be served. And then you have some people who they're missing for 30 or 40 years and they're not heard from ever again. Like the news just did a piece on that family that went missing. I think it was in like 1952 and they just found their car in a lake or river upside down. They went off the road. They were going to collect pine needles to make wreaths and their bodies were just found.
Speaker 2:I don't have a reason for that. I don't know why it took so long for that to happen, but whatever timeline was played out, it played out that way. So I don't know like it's very difficult because we get we do get information blocked, Some things we're just not meant to see.
Speaker 1:No, we're not, and there's some things that I'm supposed to help with and things you're supposed to help with, and the other person isn't supposed to be a part of that, and there's a lot of things that go into that, and so there isn't a good reason I'm never going to have a good reason why someone goes missing or somebody's murdered and and why I can't help every single one.
Speaker 1:You know, I think I think that's a hard part of doing. What we do sometimes is knowing. I mean, how many times have I called you crying because I'm so upset because I can't help heal a person and save their life? That's extremely sick, you know, like there's just so much to it where we take on this responsibility and pressure to help people, and I think we both take that really seriously, and so in those moments when we can't, I think it's really it's difficult, and that's a part of this that isn't talked about. I think a lot of people think, oh gosh, that's so cool and I want to have your gifts and I want to be able to do this and that, but when it comes down to it, there is another side to these gifts that's heavy very heavy and like not being able to give people the answers that they want to hear, because I do readings and they're like hoping I say something towards this angle and I can't because that's not what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:Or it's like well, my husband's not going to die of cancer, right? Do you want me to answer that question? And I'm sorry, you know, like I, how do you it's, it is a lot of heaviness. And then you know, is my daughter still alive? No, she's not. I'm sorry, I'm talking to her right now. That sucks. That sucks, ass, ass yeah that is not fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why did this person kill themselves? Sometimes that's not a fun answer, to get right, you know. Are they sad they took their lives? No, they're over there living it up right now because they didn't want to be here. And family does not want to hear that, right, and and it does.
Speaker 1:It stinks. Yeah, there's just so much. There's a lot of heaviness, but there's a lot of good that comes from it. Um, like I'm thankful for the people that you know we've gotten to help, but but there is this other side of it that's that's hard and and heavy and um, yeah, I, I don't love it. I don't love this part of it, but I do it when I'm called to do it and I think you're the same way.
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