Into the Light Podcast
Mediums Melanie Smith and Laura Hillkirk are sharing their weird every day lives with you. From spirit encounters to their healing journeys that led them to the place they are today. Together they will discuss healing, haunted locations, traveling as a medium, energy work, fairies and so much more. Join these besties as they share it all.
Into the Light Podcast
Ghosts follow us wherever we go, especially on vacation.
Vacation should be a time to relax and unwind, but for mediums Melanie Smith and Laura Hillkirk, travel often comes with unexpected spiritual baggage. When you can see and feel the energies that linger in historical places, even the most beautiful destinations can become hotbeds of paranormal activity.
Ready to hear more paranormal travel tales? Email us your own haunted vacation experiences at itlpodcast1212@gmail.com or connect with us on Facebook at Into the Light Podcast.
this is into the light podcast with melanie smith and laura hillkirk. Welcome back, hey guys. We're talking about haunted locations today. We get a lot of emails about this, where people are like more haunted locations. So that's what we're going to talk about today and I feel like I feel like most places are haunted.
Speaker 2:At least where we go. They are. Usually, if we're drawn to a location, we're like I don't know why I want to go here. And then we get there and we're like, oh, that's why I wanted to go there, because it's haunted AF.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I feel like, um, in a lot of ones talking about today in specific, you're going to talk about is vacations, and I think we talk for a second about what is it like for us to go on vacation. It's hard, oh my gosh. Sometimes it's hard, it is difficult.
Speaker 3:I love to travel, I love everything about travel, but I do research and look up places and like get the feeling I get, because I've had a lot of experiences with, you know, haunted places. So have you when you go there, especially like historical, and it's kind of like everywhere is historical. You know, in my small town, woodville or Elmore, there's a ton of activity. Anywhere you live there's going to be activity. But I don't know. I just feel like, like I know I travel always with a bag of crystals, my smudge spray. I try to like set myself up, but I do. I get on TripAdvisor, I look, I kind of look at pictures and get an idea. Do you do that where you're like okay, am I going to be able to sleep in this place? No, I don't even bother.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't know if that's smart or not, because I mean I'm listening to you and I'm like, shit, maybe I should start doing that. But I just kind of lie by the seat of my pants and I was like, oh, this place sounds fun to stay.
Speaker 3:And then we get there and I'm like, oh shit, this place is haunted. I know I'm like no wonder I wanted to stay here, especially when I go to Boston that is like like some of those older hotels, I'll look and it'll be like a good deal. And I was like I can't fucking stay there, I'm never gonna sleep. I'm never going to sleep at night.
Speaker 2:I've never been to Boston. So I'm curious have you ever, have you ever encountered like a colonial spirit, like someone from like the 1700s who lived in that area, who doesn't know they're dead?
Speaker 3:You can see them a lot. You know, like we've gone to Paul Revere's grave and you know I didn't really see Paul Revere, although I'm really like walking around, going, I don't want to see this, I don't want to see this. But you, I mean there there's. If you look around you can get glimpses of people walking Like they think they're still existing. There's Salem's another one. You know I went to Salem.
Speaker 3:I've been to Salem three times and I don't like it, Don't love Salem. What was the vibe to you there? It's murder, it's a massacre. It's like people are going there for entertainment and the like excitement of it.
Speaker 3:But the way I look at it it's really sad because I feel like I've had so many lives where I've been murdered for being who I am, like I am in this life and it's confusing to me. It's like, well, you don't go where the Holocaust is, and I understand it's not as many people that were murdered as the Holocaust, but to me it's like would you go to a concentration camp and look at that and be like chugging beer and doing like kitschy, like tours? It's the same thing. In Salem they were mass murdered, women were mass murder. I mean it was like a mass murder of these women that were supposed to be witches, and so to me it feels really sad. The energy feels stuck. I actually have experienced quite a bit of paranormal activity. I will not stay in Salem, like I'll go visit Salem and then stay in Boston, but it's like to stay in Salem. I do not think I could do it.
Speaker 2:What kind of paranormal activity Like were you getting?
Speaker 3:seeing things, and I did. I did a historical tour and I did a haunted tour. Um, the historical tour I actually saw more. They like tell the story about, um, one of the women that were like. I mean, basically the women that were hung, drowned, burned alive were all. I mean, none of them were witches or even intuitive or doing anything witchcraft, it just had to do with various factors. But there was this one specific and I feel like her name was Sarah or something, and they're telling the story of these two men fighting over her and she gets sealed up in a wall or something.
Speaker 3:And I was feeling everything while that was happening, like not seeing, but physically started to feel like the altercation and things that were happening. I was like, oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, no. Um, I still haven't been in the witches museum Museum which I think is really fascinating and I want to go see, but I just couldn't even bring myself to go in. So the first time I went with a couple of friends we did like a night tour and it was just sort of like hokey, I really didn't see anything but I could feel like the energy. And then the next two times I was, there was just much harder. But I think it's also because of where I am now, like my connection with you know being a medium and things like that.
Speaker 3:But it is Salem, I don't know it's. It's like a tourist trap. I mean there's tons of history, like you would go, you see things Like I was seeing a lot like faces in buildings and things like that. And it's a feeling, because you know, we always talk about how I'm like shutting it off, like you walk around and see, see, see. It's like usually I can shut off the seeing part, I can't shut off the feeling but then something will open that up In Salem. That's really hard to do. And in Boston it's not the same feeling Because obviously that's like murder, not that people weren't murdered in war in Boston, but when I go around Boston it doesn't feel the same. Is that overwhelming?
Speaker 2:Well, it's not being manipulated in the way that it is in Salem, because you have, I mean, I've seen pictures and it's really, I mean, we all know I love witchcraft, so you think I'd love to go to Salem. I've never had a pull to go visit that area before because it I don't know why I just feel like I don't want to go there and it's it almost feels like it's capitalizing on a mass hysteria type of situation rather than an actual witchcraft feeling or vibe. Because they have statues, I think there I saw one time where there's like witches sitting on a moon and there's like really pretty things, and you've got the shop owners who do witchcraft, tarot readings, things like that. So it's like the foundation of Salem, ironically, is exactly the opposite of what the townspeople were trying to get out of there. But it's it, just it doesn't seem to have the. It doesn't, I don't know. It just doesn't feel like it has a good vibe there. So I just never wanted to go, like I've never been the shop owner.
Speaker 3:There were some shops like I couldn't even go in. I couldn't even go in them because it's so like, like there's people like doing readings and they're not even like intuitive people. You can tell it's just a icky vibe, but and, and I also think because it's just a icky vibe but, and I also think because it's unsettled, right Like there's people that have been murdered. There's been stories and now there's this icky profit thing. There's a hotel in Salem. When we walked by it on the tour I couldn't even look at it Like people.
Speaker 3:This books up like a year in advance because people want to go there and experience paranormal activity. Things get thrown on the walls, people get tossed downstairs, there's all this stuff. It's really bad. I can't even like look at the building. But in Boston you have people that have obviously passed, but people go there for historical knowledge. So I feel like there's a story being told which helps that energy where Salem is kicking up, something you know. So it's like going on vacation and all that. Um, I've slept relatively well in um in Boston. Actually, that's probably one of the locations that surprised me the most, but I've been able to sleep there.
Speaker 3:Oh, I want to hear, I want to hear about was it? Did you say Oceanside, surfside? Oh, it was Surfside. Okay, I want to hear this story.
Speaker 2:I mean this was probably, I want to say, five or six years ago. We had went on vacation to Surfside South Carolina Wait, or is it North Carolina? I always get the Carolinas mixed up. Whatever you guys can look it up, it's Surfside Beach. I think it's South Carolina. Wait, or is it North Carolina? I always get the Carolinas mixed up. Whatever you guys can look it up, it's Surfside Beach, I think it's South Carolina. But we were getting ready to go there and a few days before we left I started not being able to sleep and I was getting visits by African American people and I'm like what is what is happening here?
Speaker 2:And so I, you know, I'm sleeping at home and I'm waking up and I'm having. At one point there was a small African-American male child who was in my room and he was telling me how he was drowned and he had on very tattered clothing, did not look like he was from this time period, it wasn't a recent, it was not a recent passing. And then I had women and I also had men and they were sitting there talking to me about their grave site and where they were buried and how there's no markers. And then they started talking about being on a plantation and they showed me the building I shouldn't say the building, but the home and it had, like, the white pillars. They showed me what road it was off of. I mean very detailed information. And they kept telling me you have to find our bodies.
Speaker 2:And I'm like I really don't know how I'm going to do this because I don't know where you're at, Like I could see where they were showing me but I didn't know what state. I didn't know what area. I'm like, is this Georgia? Is this Alabama? Somewhere south, obviously? And I'm going. I have no idea. So when we were driving to Surfside, we get into the Carolinas and we start going down. It takes you off the highway and then you have to go down a certain sublet of the highway. So it's not a highway but it's like still fast paced, You're still going like 50, but it's like a side road off of the, off the interstate, and we're passing and I see this sign for these plantation, like tourists, like things, where you can go book, like to get a walk through a historical thing, and I looked down the road and I saw the house and I about shit myself so I'm yelling at my husband at the time and I'm like we have to stop, we have, we have to stop, we have to stop, we have to go in there.
Speaker 2:And he's like we're not stopping. He's like stop, stop it. He's like you're being weird and and I'm like no, we have to stop. I'm like you don't understand and we're passing it. And then all of a sudden I see this large um statue that was created um the property and when we got so of course he wouldn't stop, he wasn't listening to me.
Speaker 2:When we got to our destination, I immediately looked it up and that particular plantation. They had unmarked graves there where slaves were just. I mean, they were not considered, they were considered property at that time, so they didn't have grave markers, they weren't buried respectfully, they were kind of tossed. So they created this large statue in honor of the people that had died on that land and that was their grave marker. But the people that were coming to me, they wanted me to find their bodies and I swear, I think if I would have went there I would have spent all day probably locating where they were buried and probably had been dubbed as a crazy person. But it didn't stop, like when we went to.
Speaker 2:When we got to the location at Surfside and settled in, I was very upset. I couldn't calm myself down. I was angry, I was, it was all the things. I was angry, I was, it was all the things. Anxious, it was not calming. And I got visited every single night on that vacation by by these, by this, by these people that were slaves, and I felt so bad because I kept trying to explain to them how I couldn't really help them how this wasn't.
Speaker 3:You can't go dig them up? I mean like there was no way, even if you knew where they were, that anybody was going to listen to you in the South.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and it's like what? I'm just going to walk in there with my red hair from Ohio, going like hey, you need to listen to me, I see dead people. They probably think I was insane and it was really sad and frustrating. It's one of those times where you have you're in a location, a haunted location, and your hands are literally tied. There's not much you can do, but they're demanding. I would wake up with bruises, scratch marks. I got like yanked out the bed when I was there because they were so upset. I wasn't helping them and I don't blame them. It is 100% injustice. What happened to them and they knew I could talk to and see them and they're interacting with me and it's you know the one lady. She had dysentery that she died of and then the little boy was drowned. Then the one person was hung in a tree and it was like they're telling me all their stories and it was literally I think I communicated with my God probably 50 people when I was there.
Speaker 2:It was a rather large plantation that was off the side of the road. It was awful. It was the worst, probably one of the worst vacations I'd ever been on, because I couldn't relax. I just couldn't relax and it was like I was up at six o'clock every morning because I didn't sleep and I'm just trying to enjoy my time on the beach. And then when I would go on the beach, I'm like what are all these French ships? And I'm like looking and I'm a history idiot. So half the time I have to look up what's happening because I don't retain it for whatever reason.
Speaker 2:I love history because it's interesting, but I don't retain it half the time or care to read it. Sometimes it's just the opposite. But you know, I'm laying on the beach and then all of a sudden I hear a cannonball. Someone's talking to me in French how they got their leg blown off and I was like why are French people here? And then I had to look up the history and I guess French ships had came in during a certain time on that coastline and it's just, it was not a restful vacation for me. It just really amplified. And, um, I think you and I both are kind of in the same boat with that, where we don't understand why we can go some places and have a calm experience, and then other places you don't think anything's going to happen. It ramps up so bad you can't even stand it.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think how do you even avoid that if it started before you even got there, Right, Like you already were picking up on that and it can ruin a trip Like? That's why I'm always researching, because if I feel like I'm not and my kids too are going to feel that but it's like if I'm going to stay somewhere and this wasn't them actually in the place you were staying, they were trying to reach you before you got there, If I'm staying somewhere, that I resonate with. When you were like I, you know I was so tired because there's been times where I can't sleep because something is standing over me or bothering me. That happened to me in Chicago. I was at Lollapalooza and did a lot of drinking, Definitely smoked some weed while I was there too, so I definitely should have been able to just zonk out and go to sleep. We stayed at um, what's it called? House of chicago? Chicago, it's going to bug me now. Let me just look it up. It's it's something Chicago, uh, downtown district, or you, yeah, it's right. Or maybe it's the house of Congress, or it's going to bug me now. Um, all right, I got to look this up, but I stayed at.
Speaker 3:We stayed in this hotel one of the two years that I went and um it, if I look up, cause it's and I didn't realize it was one of the most haunted hotels. I'm looking right now. I'm trying to look it up cause it's a major one, Cause I want you to be able to look it up. Um, Chicago, maybe it's called something else now. Um, I'll have to look it up, but it's a. It's a hotel in Chicago. It's down just a ways from the Hilton, that's across from Grant park park. But this hotel was freaking. You walked in and it was like the main lobby or whatever was really pretty. But my sister and I go upstairs and we go to our hotel room and the first room we go into oh my God, it had it was ice cold, like not temperature ice cold, like not temperature, ice cold, like spirit ice cold. And it was the weirdest fucking room. So I'd have these two beds, these ginormously tall ceilings, and then like nothing else, and it was like really empty and we walk in and I so our room should have been six, six, six, oh my god. Like omitted it because I think a lot of activity had happened in this and so our room should have been 666. Oh my God. But they like omitted it Because I think a lot of activity had happened in this room and so it was like in between it was a number that it shouldn't have been, Like between 665 and you know, 6, whatever. So, anyways, we go in.
Speaker 3:I was like this is weird, we're walking down. It reminded me of the fucking Shining. Like we go in. I was like this is weird, we're walking down. It reminded me of the fucking shining. Like we're walking down this hallway and I'm just like so, mind you, this is in 2026 or 20, 2007. Okay, 2026. It's not even 2026. I'm like so we're in the future, Laura. Okay, 2026.
Speaker 2:It's not even 2026. I'm like so we're in the future.
Speaker 3:Laura, 2006, 2007,. Somewhere in there. Okay, so I'm like not fully like I am now where, like I'm aware, but I know obviously I've seen spirits my whole life but I'm like feeling stuff. So we walk in this room and it's ice cold and I'm like, oh my God, I can't sleep here. I'm like Rachel, we got to go out and it smells like bleach, so we called onto the front desk. I'm like this is abnormally cold, like it felt like we were. We walked into a walk-in freezer, it was. I'm like, even right now, when I'm talking about like, so in this, the, it's the Congress, that's what's called the congress has a big sign on it.
Speaker 3:In chicago there's a new part in an old park because the one part of the original hotel burned down in the chicago fire. Oh, okay, so there's, you know something with that. So, mind you, I am like just there for a good time. You know we're going to lollapalooza, it's a three day thing. So we get a new room and we get in that room and the room felt better. It was in the newer part, so it was like a regular heighted ceiling, newer stuff. The picture I'm going to look for my pictures to post when I post this. Oh, yes, please do.
Speaker 3:There's this picture on the wall that in itself is like like these faces and it's really freaky. Every night there I could not sleep. I literally had somebody standing over me. I couldn't, I wouldn't even open my eyes, but I could feel like a man just standing over me. I just it was awful. I did not sleep. It was awful, awful, awful.
Speaker 3:I at one time we went exploring and we go down this hallway and it's like being renovated and I look and I open up and there's this huge ballroom oh, it's making my chest feel funny and I open up these like curtains to look in this like it was a place we weren't supposed to be. It's in an older building. A piano started playing and this curtain started like moving and blowing and it's like pretty dark in there, minus like these exit signs that were like kind of illuminating parts of it. I'm like looking in there and all of a sudden you're ting, ting, ting. We heard the piano start to play.
Speaker 3:So one of the days I go down and we're going down to eat breakfast and I stopped one of the bellhops and he was like he was older, this older African-American gentleman that was probably like mid-70s. You could tell he'd been working there a really long time and I was like, have you ever had any experiences here? Like this place is totally haunted. He goes oh yeah, he goes. There's like these kids or girls that they see running around in the hall and like they see all kinds of people on different floors and stuff, especially in the old part.
Speaker 3:Um and so, and this was like back when, like even in 2007, 2008, like your first instinct wasn't just google something, like in that moment, you know, like data plan, like the whole thing was so different. So I remember at one point, getting on my laptop, not my phone, when I got home and was looking, I think I typed in like Chicago's most haunted hotels or whatever, and this, the congress that's what it is the Congress is like at the top of that. Oh, wow, it was awful. I did not sleep. It was I would never stay there again, cause, in fact, we went back the next year or two years later to Lollapalooza again and I was like, well, we're not staying there, I will never stay there again. Never, ever, will I ever stay in that hotel ever again.
Speaker 2:Chicago has always been interesting to me because it has so much rich history. There. You've got a lot of mob affiliation prohibition. You've got a hell of a lot of murders. It's a very violent city and it's not marketed that way, at least in the portion where it's very. There's a lot of tourism but there's so much violent history.
Speaker 2:I went there oh gosh, I don't even know how long ago to see Rihanna and we're like walking. We're like walking around downtown drinking and just having a good time, and it was. We went to the. It was the red-headed, uh, piano bar which was super cute and, uh, we go in there, and I was like mob hit, mob gangster.
Speaker 2:It was like just inundated with that type of energy and some of those guys, um, oh, what did he tell me his nickname was?
Speaker 2:It was like legs or something. It had the word legs in it, but he was like this, really skinny, like he was hitting on me and I don't think he knew he was dead and he had a hole in his head while he's talking to me and I'm just like he's telling me his nickname was like legs and he had this. He had a really nice suit on and like I came out of the bathroom and he's sitting at the table with my friends and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me right now? Is this really going to happen? I didn't say anything to anybody because it was just at a time where we were kind of in similar boats, where we're just coming into our abilities and being comfortable with sharing that with people and probably not even knowing how to utilize them properly. And he just it was that whole downtown area there's, I mean, flapper you've got the Flapper era there that I'm super drawn to Chicago with, and even New York there's something with, like the mobster.
Speaker 3:I'm really drawn to Chicago too, and I'm obsessed with the mob, mob movies, all of those things. There's something about that. I mean, I don't know what my past life connection is with the Italian mob, but I am attracted to Italians. I married an Italian man and he's not from Italy, you know, but his Laura, I guarantee if you were.
Speaker 2:You were more than likely a man and you were running shit.
Speaker 3:I don't think I was a mob wife. I think I was somebody calling the shots.
Speaker 2:It's somewhere, oh you definitely were calling some hits on some people. Do you be in?
Speaker 3:a wife at all. I would love for us to go to somewhere like that and connect with some of that stuff. I think Chicago has that. It has the fire it does. It's violent city. It has a lot of a lot of stuff in a lot of those buildings. Um, I stayed at the Hilton a couple down, that's across from Grant Park, and that I didn't feel. I slept fine and I know it's a very old hotel so it's like.
Speaker 2:Again why it's like energy pockets yeah yeah, and it's, believe it or not. Speaking of mob information, you know Luna Pier in. Michigan.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So my daughter and I went there and I just wanted like a little beach day. I needed the water. This was, I want to say, maybe three years ago, and it's really beautiful there. If anybody's local listening, it's a really nice area, but they have a lighthouse there and then before you get to the lighthouse there's this little building that has pictures of this mobster who fled. I think it might have been from Chicago, but he fled to that location and he hid out there and I believe there was a shootout there and we were reading. I didn't talk to him or have any sort of connection but, um, it was very interesting and I was like, wow, little old Luna pier up in Michigan, right by Toledo, there was.
Speaker 3:Detroit, a huge mob connection. That was the hubs. Yes, jimmy hafa right. Yes, detroit, there's a whole mob connection to that kansas city. I mean there's like I mean we're kind of toledo is even on that way up, uh, prohibition times Was used a lot for prohibition purposes.
Speaker 2:They'd always use the river yes, so yeah, that was so interesting. That's cool. Yeah, we definitely. I've always wanted to go to New York to be a tourist. I've never been there other than when I was working. I had to go there for meetings. But to be a tourist and go through that area because there's a lot of rich heritage there also with mob or gangster like activity and I don't know, it's just interest, it's something I'm very drawn to and I'd love I think at one point you had did a reading on me because I'm scared of movie theaters and if we talked about this in the other podcast sorry we might've with the past life, but it was where I was a mobster and I got shot in a movie theater. I really felt like in.
Speaker 2:New York. I really feel like that was in New York.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like I've always wanted to go there and see if I could pinpoint the theater.
Speaker 3:You should go. We went for like a two day quick thing and I loved it. I love the energy of New York City. I want to go there it's like on my thing I'm manifesting to work there. I want to teach a class or do something there.
Speaker 2:Oh, you totally could Take me there.
Speaker 3:I want to go back.
Speaker 2:But it just reminded me talking about the theaters, because theaters are huge hot spots for paranormal activity and haunted areas Like it's like you get that culmination of energy where you're performing and you have people laughing and then you have some tragedies that occur there and people kind of they go back and they're either performing or they're running the stage management, but a lot of theaters are haunted like very, very active. Yeah, we went up to. In August we went on vacation into Indiana and there's a theater out that way I'll get the name of it, I'll post some pictures but we couldn't get inside because it was very dilapidated and it looked like they were trying to renovate it immediately to that spot. We got out to go to breakfast and I started walking down the street and I went, ended up right in front of this theater and I was like I have to, I want to go in there, I have to go in there.
Speaker 3:Melanie gets like in a trance and just wanders off somewhere. She needs like a, an apple tag or something so people can find her. Listen, if you take her into the woods she's not staying on the trail, she's going to end up God knows where. I can't help it. I was pulled there.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh my gosh, like you're not even looking where you're walking, but it's like you know those little leashes they put on kids. That's probably what I need, so somebody can just yank me back. You don't leave. Well, that's what I need, so somebody can just yank me back. Well, that's what I did. My kids took me to Kelly's Island for my birthday last year. I've never been there. Have you ever been to?
Speaker 3:Kelly's Island. Many times I take the kids. I try, like every summer, to take the kids to Put-in-Bay, like at the end of summer. We always do a little. Cause that 10, that's 15 minutes, 20 minutes from my house, the ferry. Oh, it's close to where I am so we always go up. We'll take the mill, the miller ferry to um kelly's island or the jet express to put in bay. So I've been there quite a bit. Um, there is a vibe, definitely at kelly's island. I've had some spiritual experiences there too. So I can't wait to hear this, because I haven't heard this story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. I mean, it was really great. My kids planned it for me, all by themselves. They surprised me, although I was like I feel like I'm in a boat and water Are you guys taking me somewhere with water? And they're like mom, stop it. They're like, just stop, let us surprise you. And I was like I feel like I'm on a boat. And so we get there and there we're on a boat to go to the island. But we get to the island and you know that the energy's it's pretty fine. We rent some bikes. Definitely could tell there was some history there, a hundred percent Native American energy. We rent some bikes, we're passing some houses. There's this one house where I'm like that's haunted. So I start walking up to the porch and the kids are like you, can't, people live here. Like those are like their houses. I'm like, oh, okay, cause I wanted to go in and look through the windows.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cause people do live there. They live on both islands, like even Put-in-Bay has a school.
Speaker 2:No, I'm like, okay, Melanie, you have to be mindful here, Like you can't just be mindful. But it was like this lady was. She had a lace dress on, I don't know. She was telling me about how she died in the house. So I was like wanted to go in there. But we're riding the bikes and we get. You know, there's spirit activity all throughout that place. They have a church from the 1800s on there. It basically was inhabited. There were Native American people, I believe, that lived there, that were forced off, so there's a lot of that energy resonating there. We. The most impactful part where I was like, okay, I think it's time to go, is we're going through Kelly's Island and we see a cemetery. I'm immediately drawn to the cemetery and I'm like let's go in the cemetery. And the kids are like, oh God. And I was like it's my birthday, let's go in the cemetery. It's my birthday. Who does that? Why would I go in the cemetery on my birthday? I want to go in the cemetery on my birthday.
Speaker 3:So we go there and apparently there was a war on Kelly's Island because they had soldiers buried there from when this war was, which I'm pretty sure was with the Native Americans, with the removal of them, there was like a war on this island, unfortunately. And well, there and put in bay um, you know, commodore perry, I believe is the one that um, there was a massive war with um, wasn't it the french or, I don't know, some span?
Speaker 3:something coming to take, because that's on the canadian, you know, border but it's but getting those islands, that's a pretty big one.
Speaker 2:I'll have to look that up yeah there's some historical war that happened there, but they had like soldiers buried there from that time period, which I again, I I'm like going to places blindly half the time like I just I don't look things up and I don't know why. I just I don't. So we see these grave markers and they're from you know they're, they're very old, I think they were like 1700 or so, and I was like, oh my God, this one's from 17, this and this one's from 17, that. And all of a sudden I got all of this cold air around me. And this is the summertime. Okay, I have a tank top on, I'm sweating. We've been riding bikes, it's hotter than shit out and it's like I'm 45, so everything is hot right now, just everything's hot. So I'm like standing there and all of a sudden it was like this cold air started swirling around my feet and moved up and it felt like I was in this cold air conditioner unit and I was like standing there, I was like, does anybody else feel this.
Speaker 2:Does anybody else feel this? And they're like no. And then my youngest daughter starts having some sort of like panic attack and starts freaking out about how she wants to leave. And I'm looking at her and I was like what is going on? And then I see, from the tree line back, I see these two soldiers very, very aggressive and angry, like very aggressive and angry, like very aggressive and angry, and they're like dead locked into us. And I'm looking at her and I'm like, oh my God, we got to get out of here Cause I was worried there was going to be some sort of attachment that happened with my daughter because they were connecting, they were affecting her.
Speaker 2:She ended up getting scratched. So she's like you know, this part of me hurts. So I lift up her her shirt and there's a scratch mark going down her back and I was like we gotta get out of here, but we don't leave. So we like hop on our bikes and we're just like pedaling when ended up having to do some reiki on her and kind of disconnect that is this when you were at the cemetery or where were?
Speaker 2:you, oh, we were at the cemetery, okay, and and it was like, and that's um.
Speaker 2:I think there's a misconception when you have abilities that you can immediately pinpoint when something is good or bad because that is that is not always the case.
Speaker 2:Like some, some energy feels inherently evil, like you know, like, oh, this is bad. And then some energy can trick you and pull you in so it feels good. And then you're going in there and you're like this feels like a lot of fun. And then, as you go on, you're like the temperature changes, the whole dynamic shifts, and you're like I just got duped and I just got pulled into a really dangerous situation, because what I had felt like those two spirits were doing was they were very pissed, one that they were dead, how they died, and I felt like they were stuck there and they knew they were dead, so they were feeding off of energy, and that that cemetery didn't look like it got visited very much. Um, it did look like it was maintained, I would say to a certain point, but it didn't look like there was a lot of visitation that was going on there, especially in the section that we were in, and that's a quieter island too.
Speaker 3:Put-in-Bay is pretty busy. I just looked this up, though, because I remember Commodore Perry. So there was the battle battle this was a part of the war of 1812 and there was a battle of lake erie. So the british were trying to take over lake erie. So, commodore perry, that was a part of it. They were stationed on these islands and we won the battle. They retreated and that, I believe, had to do do with them regaining control of Detroit, Us to keep Detroit as well, because that's all in that system. But I also had looked up Algonquin and Iroquoian were Lake Erie, kelly's Island tribes, okay.
Speaker 3:That were there so there was a lot of that and it's interesting because I didn't pick up Put put in Bay, I feel like more some of that soldier activity, kelly's Island. I had a really interesting spiritual positive experience and this was before like my healing journey had started. This was before I'd really connected to any of my gifts and actually I don't even know if Avery was born yet. She might've been a baby and she didn't go because it was coop. Coop was little, it was like maybe three or four and we went with some friends and they're older kids and we drove. We always got golf carts and we kind of drove around the island.
Speaker 3:So there's also this like really powerful, like portal type energy that's created on both Put-in-Bay and Kelly's Island because there's crystals, there's these big caves with crystals in them, like I mean, there is, the underneath of them is literally magical, both Put-in-Bay and Kelly's Island and the glaciers came through, like there's a part of Kelly's Island Did you go to that where you see the great, the great, cool grooves and things. So I was getting this really magical feeling. Whenever I go to Kelly's Island, I feel like I'm in this place where it's sort of this forgotten part of Ohio where people forget that there's this, like it's beautiful. Put-in-bay is more like party populated. Kelly's Island is the trees, it has the beach for swimming and things like that and it's really, really beautiful. But we came across this little shrine that was sitting off. Was it in the woods?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Fatima and it's like the hands of Fatima or something for Tim, because I looked it up and it was at this time again I'm not on my spiritual journey, so I don't know there's a statue and we walk up and I immediately and what I know now from being at stupas and things like that I got this like sadness but like heartfelt feeling and it was like the wishes and prayers of people that they had left there. People would leave like little trinkets and things to like honor or say a prayer or whatever, and it is. It's like you can kind of see it, but like in summer, when everything's like grown up, it just is like somebody nailed something to a tree. It's a statue of Fatima and then it's all these little offerings and it was really cool to be there and see that. And that was years ago, I mean, so probably 2015 or something I'm guessing. Uh, avery was a baby because she wasn't with me, so but it was like cool.
Speaker 3:I remember we all saw it and everybody got out to kind of look at I was like nobody touch anything, like no, like not letting any of the kids. So that's kind of been my experience there. But yeah, there's like rich history. They're definitely paranormal activity. I bet the bars like at Put-In-Bay, I bet they have all kinds of weird stuff happening. So I do not like Put-In-Bay.
Speaker 2:I don't like the energy there. I don't. I did not have fun there.
Speaker 3:I had fun in my early twenties, but it's definitely different. It's also like a icky vibe because it's just a drunk fest.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and I feel like that's kind of tainted some of the atmosphere of that of the land, yeah, and it just feels like an angry place to be. So it's like I just never felt like I could rest there where Kelly's Island, even though that experience happened that was kind of freaky with the soldiers it felt more peaceful to me than Put-In-Bay did and it could be because of the influence of what's currently there now, because Put-In-Bay has all of the. You know, they've got the concerts and you have a lot of drinking, a lot of women get roofied there. So if you ever go to Put-In-Bay, please be careful. That is, that's a big thing there. Your woman, be careful anywhere. Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2:But then Kelly's Island, you don't really have that same vibe. Yeah, there's some drinking, but it's super laid back. Yeah, it's very laid back, but the it's interesting. You brought up the shrine because we saw that when we were biking through, because it's off the side of a bike trail, on like in a forest, and I remember going what the hell is that? And I'm like, oh my god, it's like this statue, this mother mary statue, and for me it freaked me out and I was like I'm out of here. So I just started pedaling.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, let me feel the prayers of the people. As you can see, we are very different, but the same in some aspects. He's like take me to the cemetery. And I was like no, I don't ever want to go into the cemetery.
Speaker 2:Look, it's my birthday. I want to go in the cemetery.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, that is. Yeah, I feel like I kind of forgotten about that, but that there is. There's a lot of activity that way. Uh, port clinton, I feel like, is really haunted. I feel like all of that old, the main downtown area, like all those old bars. There's a place, I think, called the clinton house, and whenever I see an ad for it, their food food looks amazing, but I'm always like, oh my gosh, they have to have things breaking and falling off. It feels like there's a lot of activity in that place.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of downtown locations, I feel like anywhere that's got an older downtown or an uptown, whatever you want to call it, they have a lot of activity. My boyfriend and I just went to a concert in Royal Oak and we went to the Royal Oak theater and I had to do my best to try and pay attention to what was going on, because there were, there were a lot of spirits going on, um, in that particular location. Oh yeah, and it's because it's a historical place I don't know if they did plays there, but it certainly felt like it because, um, there were quite a few, uh, thespians, thespians, thespians well, that's what they were calling themselves, as thespians were thespians and it was. I just thought, yeah, it was this guy who he had. He was shorter than me I'm five, eight, which I don't I mean, so he had to have been like five, six maybe.
Speaker 2:And he was this pudgy, round guy and he kept telling, and I'm pretty sure he was gay, and he's telling me how he's, how he was a thespian and this is like his, his second home, and he likes coming here and he protects the theater and he does all this stuff. And they need to do something with the buttresses on the top of the ceiling. I mean he was just like going off and I was like I remember in my head I like turned around and I looked at him. I said can I just enjoy this? Like my boyfriend bought me these tickets as a surprise. I just want to enjoy this. He's like okay, sweetheart, I'll talk to you when it's over. And he did. I went to the bathroom and he was talking to me, talk to me when it's over. It was like can I just enjoy the concert, please? But I feel like any downtown area has got that old school energy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do too, and in most places we go. I think we're going to do a lot of these episodes. We have unlimited. Even before we hopped on, I was just kind of like, oh, I don't know what I'm going to talk about, and then, instantly, like they just start popping in because we have so many of these stories. So I think we're going to do quite a few of these. This was great because I loved, like the kelly's island. I loved talking about um, but yeah, haunted locations I feel like they're everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you throw a pen or dime on a map and you'll find a haunted location in that city for sure.
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