Into the Light Podcast
Mediums Melanie Smith and Laura Hillkirk are sharing their weird every day lives with you. From spirit encounters to their healing journeys that led them to the place they are today. Together they will discuss healing, haunted locations, traveling as a medium, energy work, fairies and so much more. Join these besties as they share it all.
Into the Light Podcast
Exploring Heaven, Hell, and Beyond
Ever wondered what truly happens when we cross over? In this thought-provoking Season 2 premiere, Melanie and Laura courageously tackle the polarizing concepts of heaven, hell, angels, and demons—sharing personal encounters that challenge conventional religious narratives while offering profound spiritual insights.
Laura reveals how childhood religious fears shaped her early understanding of spirituality, recalling her innocent worry about "stomping too hard" and angering the devil beneath her feet. Melanie counters with her non-religious upbringing, demonstrating how different paths can lead to similar spiritual awareness. Together, they explore a revolutionary perspective: that our earthly existence—with its suffering and lessons—might actually be the "hell" religious texts describe, while the afterlife offers healing rather than punishment.
Ready to expand your understanding of spiritual realms beyond traditional frameworks? This episode offers a judgment-free exploration that honors all belief systems while inviting you to consider new possibilities. Share your own experiences with us—we'd love to hear your perspective on these universal mysteries.
this is into the light podcast with melanie smith and laura welcome.
Speaker 3:We are season two. I can't believe it. Season two, episode one we're back, back bitches. We're back bitches. Today we're going to talk about heaven and hell and we're going to discuss angels and demons.
Speaker 2:I'm super excited about this. Everyone has questions how do you see heaven, how do you see hell, what are angels, what are demons?
Speaker 3:So it's going to be really fun to get into this, yeah, and I feel like it's such a polarizing topic and I feel like everybody has an opinion on this right, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:Everybody kind of has their own take on it, and I think that's kind of neat too. So when we dive into heaven and hell, I'm actually not sure your complete take on this. So I'm curious to hear. That's my favorite part of this. You know, we just vaguely talk about the topic because we don't want to talk about too much when we come on here.
Speaker 2:I love it because we're just two friends talking about whatever shit we're talking about and we've had conversations about angels and demons before because we both have had run-ins with those situations, but we've never really talked about how we see heaven from what we do versus how we see hell, and I think sometimes belief systems do play into that. Yes, but you know I've gotten information from spirits on heaven versus hell. I don't know, have you ever received any downloads on that? Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 3:It's interesting because I would say my upbringing in the church, going to Sunday school and all of that. So I kind of want to take it back because I really want to talk about heaven and hell and the fear, this fear base that a lot of time religion brings in to things, and where I feel this peace when it comes to heaven and hell and things now. But when I go back to my early days, you know learning about, you know learning the Bible and about God and Jesus through the church, I have vivid memory. Now also to be factored into. This is not just religion's fault.
Speaker 3:I also had anxiety and I have OCD, like legitimate obsessive compulsive disorder that you know does have intrusive thoughts. That is a part of like what I work to heal and fight every day. So but I, I have early memories of being in life, but the one memory I have is at the babysitters and one of my babysitters was a big part of my church and so a lot of times she would be having us learn things with the Bible, different stories Like I used to be able to tell you on day one God made blah, blah, blah, like I could go through in order. So I remember there being a thunderstorm and me standing outside and I was like splashing in puddles and I would jump up and splash in the puddles and like come down hard, like on the sidewalk, and I had such a fear of upsetting the devil because I always thought the devil hell is underneath my feet. It's like when they talk about it it makes it seem like it's a spiry place yes, underneath the ground. That's what I was taught when I was little, and so I have memories as a child of being worried about stomping on the ground too hard and making the devil mad. Worried about stomping on the ground too hard and making the devil mad or doing something wrong.
Speaker 3:Like I can remember being little thinking I did something wrong you know, maybe I hit my sister or something and then like this fear of how do I make up for that? Because now that's like a strike against me and like I'm going to go to hell or something. And I mean I'm a method. It's not like I went to this super conservative, strict religious church Although I would say my babysitter had much more conservative views that she was sort of putting you know on us or whatever, but but that so my early memory was like heaven is in the clouds and hell is beneath my feet, and I always saw it when I was little, like this tally system and you want to do more good than bad, but every time I did something bad, I felt like it was like a tally on my hell ticket ticket to hell which, by the way, that was true man, am I headed south? I mean, I'm doing a lot of good now, but I've done a lot of shit.
Speaker 3:I've looked at my life where it's like man I'm, I'm fully like you think of that little hole punch like like my tickets like ding ding ding ding um, and so that my earliest memories and the start of my views of heaven and hell was in the clouds, and I always used to see this like man in a t-shirt and blue shorts as god when I was little. It's the funniest thing to me now, sure, and like a surfer remember in the 90s those like coaches wore the bike short like they were like those tighter with the pockets. They were blue short and a black t-shirt and he was in the clouds and that was god. So I just wanted to start off the podcast episode with little dad bod laura little laura's interpretation of God in heaven and hell, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2:The indoctrination came from outside of church. That's how much influence people's thoughts and languages have on you, especially as a child. That's wild to me. I did not grow up in a church setting at all.
Speaker 2:My mom was raised Catholic and her belief systems. She was very angry at the church because of how she was raised. So I always heard about how churches were diabolical. Basically it's a bunch of hypocrites and liars. And then she shifted in her life. I want to say gosh, it might've been in her forties. She shifted and started going to a church. So it was very confusing. I was like so we hate God or are we okay with God? Because it was, you know, my whole life. It was, you know, it wasn't like what you're saying, where it's like heaven and hell and you act this way. I mean, we were taught morals and values but it was outside of church.
Speaker 2:So I never really grew up with a opinion about God, I guess. Which is very interesting, I've always had somewhat more of a spiritual belief system, so I never really got the whole Bible indoctrination or teachings.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's such a. It's such an interesting thing for me because you know, and I clients from all, I see atheists, I see Catholics, I see Methodist Lutheran, I see people that are deeply ingrained in their religion and that's a part of who they are, and I have people that have been shunned from a church and it's sort of come away from that. And then I myself have had such positive experiences within my church and my church community. Now, I am not somebody that goes to church, I don't, I kind of pop in and out and it's the strangest thing because my church here in my hometown feels like home to me in a lot of ways when I go there. But my children have never gone to Sunday school. You know, we're very much spiritual and my husband was raised Catholic and, um, you know we don't resonate or veer towards that at all, but growing up I did.
Speaker 3:I. I knew the Bible stories, I knew the people in the Bible and a lot of that is connected to my healing of others. Now, like I am and you know that like I have such a biblical tie and you know that like I have such a biblical tie, but the way I see heaven and hell now is so different. The fear is God. I don't have fear anymore. Yeah, I don't either. And how I've seen it and to me, this is my connection with Jesus. So, rather than worshiping something or a man, my connection with Jesus and how I have sort of connected to him is this he doesn't want to be worshiped, he wants us to just be good humans and live in that Christ consciousness. So when I say Christ consciousness, I mean you're supposed to love everything, you're not supposed to judge and you are not better than anybody else. And so, a really strange thing for me, when I started really dipping into the spirituality connecting with that Jesus energy and me getting familiar with heaven and hell and spirituality in a way that actually works for me, not programming, I learned that and this is my take and, I'm curious, yours that we're not going to a fiery place under the earth. I feel like this is hell. So the existence that we're in and there's going to be a lot of people that disagree with this is hell. So this is where the pain and suffering happens, this is where our lessons are learned, and we all, in my opinion, unless you know, there are people that get stuck in limbo and there's a lot of facets to this, but in terms of heaven, there is a place that we all go to, in the light, and I don't care what you've done, we all go there.
Speaker 3:So from what I have experienced is you know, you want to talk a sin, which is a mistake. We're all doing that. So we, as humans, have decided because this is what makes us feel better. So if I let's say, I rob a bank, okay, I'm stealing, I want to come up with something that's going to make me feel better about my mistakes. So I say, well, I mean, I didn't kill anybody.
Speaker 3:And so we create these dynamics where, well, you know, there's murder, there's infidelity, there's robbing a bank, there's, there is, you know just your words, you're belittling somebody, maybe you're verbally abusive, whatever. That is a lesson and something that you need to fix about yourself. And so, as the human race, I think we like to put labels on things what's better, what's worse. And what I have learned in that, christ consciousness, is that you're not better or worse than anybody. Yes, we can say murder is a horrible thing, it is a bad thing, but so is the other bad things that you're doing. You're just saying that it's not as bad, because that makes you feel better about the thing that you did, and it all comes down to going to that place.
Speaker 3:So, in terms of heaven, I, the way I see it, is that we're all going to the same place and then you're, you're coming back and you're doing it again. We all have many, many lives with a lot of different versions of us that have done some really horrible things, you know, and that kind of bleeds into timelines and things. But as far as heaven existing, it is a place of where I see a lot of white light, a lot of those angels and things. But when I think of hell, this is hell, this is where it is, because the ultimate goal is to not keep being set back here, right To evolve to a place where you aren't continually coming back here. And to me, when I look around, I'm like this is, this is how this is where evil exists. Evil doesn't exist where that white light plane is in that dimension. So I want to take on this.
Speaker 2:I'm curious see, and I see it a little bit different. So, um, I do think of vibrational frequencies when we're talking about what people have done, where they're at in their growth and their healing pattern. So, when I've seen people cross over who are sociopathic and I have dealt with people like that when I do house cleansings they're human spirits who've chosen, for whatever reason, to stay here, to be earthbound, and their frequency is very low because they're abusive. Um, they're sociopathic, they're narcissistic, they're all the bad things and their vibrate, their vibrational frequency is very low. So, in order for them, if they choose to cross over, they choose to go with an angel or they're forced to be taken away. They remain on a vibrational frequency with people or souls of that like minded vibrational frequency, and then, once they heal, it's more of like an ascension process is kind of how I've seen it. Like an ascension process is kind of how I've seen it. So, once they heal, I feel like they kind of move up towards that white light that you're talking about, where you have divine light, divine energy, and it's not a hell. So it's just because you're on a different vibrational frequency doesn't mean it's hell. You're not. This isn't Dante is like fourth circle, like you're not getting your skin ripped off and you're not burning and you're not being punished for all your misdeeds. It's simply a growth chart, like a growth pattern is how I viewed it before. It's very rare that I meet human spirits who've lived a life on this plane that are on the same vibrational frequency as angels. It's a very rare thing because to reach that point of ascension it's almost like in Buddhist methodology where you're trying to attain nirvana, you'd have to be like a Mother Teresa or a Siddhartha Gautama, you'd have to be some sort of ascended soul like Jesus, like it would have to be that type of frequency to reach like that really bright white light. Now that doesn't mean you don't have access to it, because you most definitely do, because that's where we come from. It's just we have baggage and we have stuff that we need to work out as human beings and as souls on this journey and it's just like this ascension level, which is why I think that's the point of reincarnation. So it's like you have a life where I mean, listen, one of my past lives and I don't recall if I talked about this on the last episode. Sorry if I repeat myself, but one of my last, my past lives.
Speaker 2:I know that I was in the Aztec nation and I was torturing people. I was sacrificing and torturing people because I have vivid dreams of beheading people and it's definitely an Aztec culture. Now, that's a belief system, so does that make me bad? Because I'm sacrificing someone for a belief system, for a God that at that time, I thought was high and benevolent. I'm trying to save my village from like flooding or starvation, I don't know. Like that's where judgment comes in, and I don't feel that anybody in this place has the right to judge anybody's actions. That's just me, and I also feel like when you cross over, there's not a judgment. There's not somebody sitting there hitting a gavel, going.
Speaker 2:You did this when you were in third grade. You stole candy from the farm, which I totally did because my mom wouldn't buy it for me. Nobody's keeping tally of this. You have a review process when you die that you go through and you have the choice to do that, just like you have choices here. So that's why some souls, when they die, they have growth and some don't, because some are choosing not to do this review process. The review process is simply looking at your life and owning your shit, looking at your mistakes, choosing to heal from things, and that takes, however long it takes for your soul to work through what happened to it while it was on this plane and to really look at yourself in the mirror. We had that whole episode on healing. That's essentially what you're doing you die, you go through this review process.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I feel like that all the way you're explaining it is very similar to how I see the actual heaven. I don't like the term heaven because I don't.
Speaker 1:Like I said, it's not this magical place that you go.
Speaker 3:There are levels to it and I love how you said you're sort of with your frequency and I do see that where you're there and it's kind of like rest and restoration, like your soul is trying to figure things out, and that is very different for each person. You know, there are some people that die that don't know they're dead right away, like there is a process to it, like we could spend hours sort of dissecting the different thousands of different ways people leave this earth and and in all of those, those ways. But I feel like that's a really good description of sort of how it is, you know, and and we always wonder how in depth to go into things, because people don't always, they can't see right, always the way we're seeing it. If we talk dimensions in that, you know you mentioned angels. Yeah, when you die you're not like chilling on a couch next to Archangel Michael. You know he's in another dimension, that's like higher, where those ascended masters and things like that are.
Speaker 3:But there's nothing to fear and I feel like I had this huge fear around death for so long. You know, my trauma made me fear death and it was more of other people dying and me having to survive that pain again. It's just, it's horrible there. There is no greater pain than grief. You can cut my arm off and it's never gonna hurt as bad as it hurts when you lose someone you love. It is the most awful pain, um, awful pain, um. But I feel like I was thinking about this this morning. I have no fear around when I die or how I leave. Leave because I know that the suffering that you experience here doesn't exist where I'm going and I just feel like I know, like I'm here until I'm here and, man, I'm going to give it my all every fucking day that I've got, but I don't have that. That is what healing in the connection to my spirituality has given me, that I am like I don't have fear around it anymore. There is zero fear around death.
Speaker 2:I don't either, and like it's interesting what you said about, um, the people that get stuck here, that they don't know they're dying. They don't know they're dead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've experienced that quite a few times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it is like a vibration, a vibrational frequency that you get stuck in because your, your physical body's departed, but then your soul is trying to figure out what the hell just happened. And some people it's like denial, because, especially with murder victims, where it was very quick and they're not really sure what happened, sometimes it is like a denial type of thing. So they are so like it's not processing, but they're also denying that they died and they're in a grief stricken state with their own death Because, as you said, like there's nothing that can happen more. Then you know grieving somebody and sometimes people grieve their own death and it makes them stuck. So I just think that's interesting and I did want to bring that up because it's some people choose to stay here and then some people they don't know they're, they're dead and they get stuck here, which is why you have a lot of hauntings that are aggressive because they're not understanding why they're dead, they don't understand what happened to them. So they're angry.
Speaker 2:But in terms of hell, like I've always felt the same way, where this is hell, these are experiences. This is where a lot of gruesome things happen to people or you have to endure a lot of pain, whether it's physical, emotional or mental, like this, is where we're kind of stuck learning those lessons, but there definitely is like a demonic frequency to things and they do reside in a separate area. They're not in the ground, though, I think. I think people made like hell on the ground to make them feel better, like we're walking on top of them.
Speaker 3:So it's like you know, we're terrifying for me as a child, thinking I stomped on a puddle and the devil with this pitchfork was going to scrape me up and pull me down. Yeah, and it's like. It's not a guy, that's a fiery, demonic, evil, sort of collective consciousness of all of these different entities. And you'll hear people say you know, we're in spiritual warfare. We are every day. There's the light, there's the dark, there is a darkness that is constantly trying to pull you to a place because they feed off of that energy, they feed off fear, they feed off that. And so there is a part, when you look biblically at heaven and hell, how it says you know, oh, the devil's trying to entice you, you know, to pull you to do these bad things.
Speaker 3:There's some truth to that, except for it's not a dude that's, like you know, walking around with his army of people trying to sway you. It is a collective consciousness and there are entities that pull you in that direction. Um, I will also say you can always find the light. The light, it always exists around you at the same time that that darkness. I can think of the darkest periods of my life. Um, there have been many times where you and I reach out where I mean we do this work and we're exposed to things where we're like, oh I think something needs removed or shifted, and, um, that light is always existing at this at the same time.
Speaker 2:Everyone has access to it. And there's this quote in Harry Potter where Dumbledore is like you just have to remember to turn on the light. And it's like that's what it is. It's you just have to remember to turn on the light, Because when you're exposed to energy like that, it definitely will try to latch on to you.
Speaker 2:And a lot of, a lot of spiritual warfare is mental. This isn't something I mean. Listen, you can get bit, you can get scratched. In really severe cases you can have possessions, oppression, jumping, those types of things. But usually spiritual warfare is mental. It's the voice you hear going like you should just punch that person or fuck them. What do they think they are? You should go tell them off. That's spiritual warfare, because we're all given choices and decisions. Like everything is presented to you right. Here is an opportunity to do good or to do bad, and you make that decision. And that's a big part of spiritual warfare, Because in those in the process of decision making, you're choosing what frequency you want to live on, and that's what you have to remind yourself. And just because you choose a bad choice, which we have all done, we have all made that.
Speaker 3:Everybody is fucking up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like everyone is, and it's like just because you did that doesn't mean you're condemned to that frequency forever. So it's like you always have this choice and you can waif back and forth between them, and I think that's the game really. Yeah, I think that's the game really. There is not. I think human nature is so focused on punishment. Like you have you murdered my sister, so you have to be punished, not only in this life, but also in the afterlife, where you're going to burn to hell. And you know what? Sometimes people wish that for certain people because what they do is so heinous here. But I'm sorry that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3:Well, and the person that's killing the other person for killing the person is also got the same karmic tie as the person who like with malicious intent, even though the person killing the murderer thinks well, this is a good deed, because I feel like my intention is correcting or writing something. But murder, murdering a murderer, is not correcting anything. It's creating a stronger karmic tie so called wrath in the bible?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, I'm just like what is that called Kevin Spacey, where he's like a psychopath seven deadly sins and he's got the books. He's like it's like one of the outros head in the box at the end and then the police officer kills him and he's like complete the final sin and it's wrath and he's like shoots him in the head. It's's. It's a no-win situation and how you conduct yourself and how you choose to live. Now, was he wrong or right? Some people are going to say he was definitely justified in doing that. Some people are going to say no, he wasn't, because it's the same thing and it's going to feel right when it's your loved one and it's great.
Speaker 3:So it's always the thing that you're going through is the thing that's most powerful and influential. So you know, if you suffered, you know you were a part of infidelity, whether you're the one that cheated or was cheated on, that topic is going to be passionate and you're going to feel like wrongs need to be righted and that if you had somebody that was murdered, you're going to feel tied to that in a way. And so it's and again, but and then it's choices. It's just like when we experience grief, we get to make a choice. Are we going to stay stuck in this? Are we going to live? What are we choosing to do? You know we have choices within that.
Speaker 3:Do we choose forgiveness when a loved one is murdered, which is not saying this is an okay thing that happened. It's saying I'm going to free myself from the burden, carrying the weight of the mistake that somebody else made, and so there's, you know, there's all of those, those ties to it. But I feel like it's such an interesting topic it is, and vibrationally, I feel like people and I want to hear I would love for people to email us you know, what is your take on heaven and? Hell.
Speaker 3:And and I think sometimes it is all about your perspective we're not saying that there's the way we're saying is right. We're just saying this is the way we see it. This is our experience. We do work in these realms with these entities and, you know, it kind of brings me to the next topic angels. We have had a lot of experiences with angels. I, everybody has their own angels, their own guides and all that. We've talked about that. But some people have a lot like even more. You know, there's times I do a session. I'm like whoa, like there's this really bright light in the room and I'm like this person came. There's so many angels, there's so many in the Reiki room where I'm like oh, um, uh, do you have? Can you remember, like your first memory of seeing or interacting with an angel?
Speaker 2:Ooh, I would probably have to say it was when my dad got cancer. I think I was in, so he was diagnosed when I was in fifth grade. But you know, at that I was so young like it's not like I could really process what was going on. But seventh and eighth grade I started really acting out very, very badly. I started hanging out with gang members. I was running away from home, I was smoking and drinking. I was not behaving like well, I was completely acting out because of what was going on with my dad.
Speaker 2:And I remember being on the east side of Toledo and listen, if there's any east siders listening, I love it. I love you guys. This is nothing against that area. I was just in a bad part of town that happened to be on the east side and I was in a home that was basically run down and we were partying and drinking, okay. And I am in eighth grade which is crazy when I look at my own children, that I was doing this.
Speaker 2:My poor parents, um, and I went ice drinking, went into a different room and there was like this void or something in the corner. It looked like it's hard to describe. It was like a void, like I could put my hand through it. But it wasn't black, it was light. And I'm staring at it and I'm like am I like super drunk right now? Like what is what's going on? And I'm staring at it and this thing walked out.
Speaker 2:It didn't have wings, but it was really, really tall. It had to. I mean it, it was very tall. It had to have been like seven feet or so. It was really tall and it looked down on me and it said you need to leave. You're going to get hurt, is what it said to me. But it said it in a way that was like compassionate and loving and I realized it was protecting me and I left like I didn't even know where I was at. I didn't drive myself there. I came with people and I like left and called my parents on a pay phone when they had pay phones back in the day. Listen, I remember when the kids these days will never know about the collect call home.
Speaker 2:Come get me.
Speaker 3:I'm on the corner, I'm first in. I had quarters.
Speaker 2:I was like I have my quarter, but that was my first interaction with an actual where I could see them. I've always felt angelic presence around me. I've seen lights around my dad or around my mom or around other people where I knew it was something divine. But when you're young you don't have the mental capacity to really understand what's happening Because, again, I didn't come from a religious background. I wasn't stupid. I knew what angels or God or I knew theology, but I didn't really have an understanding of what that was spiritually. So when I did see this angel come through, it was a feeling and again, I didn't see wings.
Speaker 2:Now I've seen Archangel Michael before and I've seen him with wings and like his sword and his battle. But that's usually when I'm like fighting a demonic entity or there's something negative in someone's home or around me that I see him, because I don't call on him often unless I really need him, because I tread lightly with him. That's the thing with like deities or angels. Like you have to be respectful, I can't be like you know so-and-so, come now because I just want you here. Like you have to have context for it because I think you can kind of overuse the phone call, so to speak.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that was my first encounter with one and it was really it kind of set the tone because my parents came and picked me up and it changed my life after I saw that, because they're like, oh, I got in so much trouble, I was grounded for forever, which was the best thing for me. They made me play tennis. I had to get my life turned around. It really changed my life because when I saw it I knew I was in trouble. I don't know what would have happened to me. I was in eighth grade hanging out with people in their 20s and some of them were men, so I shudder to think what probably would have happened at that point. So I really do feel like that angel saved my life or got me out of a situation that would have scarred me forever.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I was sitting here trying to think of the answer to that question for myself.
Speaker 2:It's a hard question. Thanks a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was thinking about it and the the immediate memory that came up for me. My earliest memory is would have been my senior year of high school, the start of it when, um, my friend Shannon died in a car accident and, um, that's a very long story, but the short of it is I had an awareness of the moment that she passed and left her body and I was having a dream in that moment and it's a dream I'll never forget. But in the dream it was me and my friends and we're all around her and her body is laying down and all of a sudden there's like, oh my sorry, my ear just started to ring so loud. I think I brought some angels in. Woo, um, it felt like I went underwater for a second, um, but in the dream her soul is like lifting up out of her body and there is this really big angel, sort of like embrace, like, as she's coming up. All I remember is this angel like embracing her and, um, and I'll never forget it, that dream, which I realized now was not a dream. I was 100% there and present in the spiritual realm when she left her body, and so I remember that and I remember like it was tragic, and it was. It was awful. I mean, I woke up and threw up, basically from just the, the awareness that I had that she had died in that moment. But as I'm looking back, as the person I am now, I see this beauty in it. It makes me want to cry, just like this angel coming in and like embracing and taking her off, and so that's my earliest memory.
Speaker 3:I don't remember when I was little, I didn't see things of the light. I was visited by the other thing that we'll talk about a little bit tons of dark energies, demonic energies and, um, just like most gifted children are, uh, you know, we're sort of in that lighthouse that that's being drawn to that. But so when I was little, no, I saw all scary things. Everything I saw was scary, um, but now in my adult life, obviously I have lots of angel encounters, um, you know, in sessions and things like that. But, um, I I see them often, either in my mind's eye or physically.
Speaker 3:Um, not too long ago I was waking up. Our bed was in a different place and there was an area of the room and I kept always I could feel something in there staring at me. I was like what is this? And I was like I kind of felt like I was being protected from something I don't know if something was like attacking the property or what and I could feel this big archangel in our room for like weeks on end. I remember messaging you and I took some pictures and you could actually just see not the outline of wings but this very white thing, misty blob in the corner when I would take a photo and it would just kind of it was just kind of like stationed there and so, um, I feel like some of the bigger archangels are around when I need protection.
Speaker 3:But there's different kinds of angels, you know. There's the archangels. I call them like the regular size angels. There're sort of like little baby looking angels. Those cherubi things are real I see sometimes. So that's kind of interesting too. But the archangels you know I do call on different archangels for different things and then, like my angels that sort of are rolling with me all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're part of your team. There's a hierarchy to it, there's a structure and it sounds funny to say that it's not like a corporation, but it's a vibrational hierarchy. So you've got different jobs, just in different purpose. So it's the same thing on the other end of the totem too, where you've got a different hierarchy structure with demonic entities, where you have really high level ones, where if you even say their name, you're basically conjuring them up and then you it's the same thing with archangels Like you can say an archangel's name and it's the same thing You're conjuring them up and you're asking them for assistance.
Speaker 2:I work with a lot with Archangel Asrael. She's the angel of death. She gets a bad rap and Scrooge and like movies and tarot cards and whatever, and people are like I don't think I've ever worked with her. People are androgynous, so it's not really a she or a he, they're just, are androgynous. So it's not really a she or he, they're just, they just exist. I've never seen a gender with one and you know, people want their genders established in this day and age. But, um, archangels, I've never seen a gender. But I work with Azrael a lot, the angel of death, and like I've called her in to help me with certain situation, especially earthbound people, um, and even earthbound animals like I've seen them, and I've called her in and ask her to just take them, um, but I, yeah, I've seen her, him, whatever a lot. And Archangel Michael I've only, I've seen, seen like a few times, but I think you work with him quite often, don't you? Is that a lot?
Speaker 3:a lot. I feel a really big connection to that. Um, he will just come in sometimes in a session and it's like I just do what I'm told yeah, do this, do that, that that sort of a thing. But, um, yeah, and Archangel Gabriel and Jophiel, those those I work with a lot with children. I have a lot of kid clients and I think a lot of my soul's purpose here has to do with children, has to do with helping children who suffered like I did. I I'm drawn, they find me, the kids like where the thing I'm gonna say is gonna make them feel seen. And so these archangels that work with children are around a lot, not with me in my everyday life, but they'll show up in a session or in a moment where maybe I'm channeling or something, a message that's meant for children. But, yeah, those are. Archangel Gabriel and Archangel Michael are the two that I work with most. I would say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know what, when I've seen Archangel Michael, he's always in battle. It's it's never. I've never seen him during a Reiki session. It's always been in battle. And the one time I'll tell this story it's kind of creepy, but I had like something demonic in my house at one point. Um well, it's been multiple times just because of the way that I work, but the one time it was because I let somebody into my home that shouldn't have been in there and I was communicating with them and they brought something with them, and so I'm sleeping and I'm literally seeing this demon, like I'm looking at you.
Speaker 2:This thing was so solid and it was really scary. It had, I mean, like gargoyle face. It was just very unnerving and I called in Archangel Michael and he came in immediately and he came from it's. He came from through the floorboard and he grabbed this thing around the arm area and he's huge, like Archangel Michael is massively big, and he's like, yeah, exactly, and he's like grabbing him around the shoulder area and as he's like taking him down and they're going back through the floorboard in my bedroom, he looked at me and he said you did this, and then he like went away.
Speaker 2:He was like yelling at me because I allowed someone to come into my home with that energy and I knew what they had with them. So he was like yelling at me and that person never came in my house again because I got yelled at. I basically got schooled by Archangel Michael and he's like you did this, like he was like annoyed with me, like stop doing this, like you know what brought it in, stop letting that person come back to the house. And he like yelled at me and I was like shit and I never did it again, never had a problem after that and I was like okay, so, and I've seen him in home cleanses and things like that where I've worked with helping people with demonic issues. But yeah, outside of that scope, I've never seen him in a healing session. I see other people's angels. My angels have stepped in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's wild because when it happens it's like I see the light first and then I feel the energy, and then I just feel like they're so big and it's like they're trying to be like in this room, like the wings and stuff. But he is a really powerful healer too, because he will come up and kind of like jesus, where it's like go in, this is what needs to be done, and like he'll just kind of lay his hands on whomever or tell me to put my hands down, and then he'll put his over mine. Um other times I've actually like he's taken his wings and it's been like a cocoon. I've had that happen Like where you're in the wings.
Speaker 3:Yes, if you've ever seen somebody that's been in like a car accident and you look at the car and you're like how did this person survive? Like the car is crumpled up but the driver's seat is like somehow intact and this person lives, like most likely you had an angel come in that sort of cloaked you in this bubble with these wings, and so that's been really cool too that I've experienced that and it's actually sort of happening now because and I'm going to grab while we're still talking, I'm going to grab my crystal and say, because I think he knows what we're about to talk about oh, okay, so if you are listening when we get on the demonic subject, um, we're going to do a quick protection intention too um, but
Speaker 3:before we do that, I need to bring up a topic because I have like three spirits here that keep talking about this topic that I think we need to talk about before we move on to that, and it is the subject of, um, when someone commits suicide beforehand, and I just briefly want to say that, and I don't know if you're how you see this, but, um, your loved ones did not get banished to hell. When that happens, I never see that, and so that's nothing you need to worry about when it comes to your loved ones. I just there has been somebody here that is adamant, and I think somebody needs to hear that there's a mother somewhere that really needs to hear that your son's OK and that. So I just want to bring up that topic, because that is a big topic with heaven and hell.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, a lot Suicide. I've never seen, as I've never seen anybody be punished or banished when they've committed suicide. It's always been um, usually and it's hard to deliver messages like that, but 90% of the time they're usually relieved and happy with where they're at because they have peace. They didn't kill themselves because they were happy here.
Speaker 3:Well, usually they're extremely gifted, intuitive, empathic. People that just could not handle the pressures of this.
Speaker 3:So I just really wanted to us to kind of broach that subject briefly. As I'm lighting my Palo Santo, so as we kind of talk about the next topic, I'm just going to take a real, a little second here. I'm going to invite everybody's guides and angels to just kind of bring in protection over everybody as we talk about this topic and just so that you don't mentally go somewhere, you know, as we're talking about it. But demons, oh yeah, I've had a history with them as a child, you know. You've heard me talk about various things and why is that?
Speaker 3:And I see a ton of children who, just like me, have gifts intuitive and they start seeing spooky things in their room and there's something always bothering them or messing with them in the night. And so my earliest experience with them was in my house growing up. Every single night they visited me. And when you um have strong abilities, very empathic, you truly are setting, you have a bright light and you are sending off that light and that is attracting the darkness which wants to scare you. And once it scares you, it's sort of this continual cycle because you get scared which feeds the energy which brings them back and you don't know cause. You don't have an awareness to protect yourself. My children do now and we've experienced that as well, but that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's definitely different levels, because you can have, like trickster demons, where they come in and they try and create some sort of chaotic events, and then you can have the more malevolent ones where they're they're higher in the system, like like archangels.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And those are the ones that can create oppression and possession, and there is a difference. So, like when you're being oppressed, you almost can't you, you don't have your own thoughts, you don't remember who you are. Some people have nervous breakdowns, some people have mental health issues. Sometimes it manifests into like anger, rage or aggression, and this is on the drop of a hat. This is a dime change.
Speaker 2:This isn't something that just occurs over a two-year period. This happens very quickly and people notice the change very fast, and then that usually leads into a possession type scenario where your body is being entered by that presence but, like their main goal is to destroy you as a person. They'd love it if you killed yourself or if you killed somebody else. And it's interesting, you bring up suicide, because I do think that sometimes people are influenced by these darker energies to hurt themselves or other people because it is an end game for them. I don't know what their purpose really is on this planet other than to create chaos and havoc and pain, because that's something they feed off their feeders of energy and fear is the worst thing.
Speaker 3:Fear is the thing like the most empowering thing you can do and even to ward off anything dark is to just believe in your own power, to not allow these things to influence you and, you know, protecting your energy. And I don't want anyone to listen to this and go around fear that a demon's jumping in, jumping in or doing something. People are going to be fine, but if you feel something, you know you, you have the ability to. I don't anymore. I spent, I feel like half my life was spent running from these things. Something, oh, it must be my follow santa.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, running from these things, but I feel like now there's so much more balance. I work so much more with light beings than than that, and there's been a few times, you know, in this work where, um, you know, removing that from somebody or we need that removed from us, but, um, for the most part, I don't have a ton, a ton of interaction. It's more sporadic here and there, and that's really why I stopped doing readings in the sense of I do, but in a different way. Now, rather than an hour of me just channeling and talking to a past loved one, I am more channeling, spiritual guidance meaning I'm talking to guides and angels and I stopped doing readings because I was so exhausted in the things I was running into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and people carry their own vibration. They can definitely call things in and it's um, and a lot of like the environmental walks I've done or people that I've worked with, it's like a very small percentage that have demonic, true demonic activity. And we had a past episode where we talk about, um, you know, elementals, shadow people, those types of things, because there are different tier groups and how things interact, puts that can put them on that vibration of a demonic type of activity. So it is hard to pinpoint sometimes where things come. But if we're we're talking about true, true demonic activity, then you're relating it back to church-like type of bibliography almost, because that's where I think most people have in their mind.
Speaker 2:What a demon is is from, like the Bible, or from religious groups or sects, which they're not wrong, but like demons here versus demons in the Middle East are very different. They have the same frequency but they're going to look different. They're going to interact differently as well. So it's just, it's a very delicate thing and I do think people need to have respect when they are dealing with that and it's not respect and fear but it's respect of overall energy and spirituality. Because if you tamper with something and I'm going to bring up Ouija boards, and I don't give a flying fuck what people think about that, because I think when you play with Ouija boards whether it's a cult practice or it's for fun with your friends you need to be respectful of when you're using the Ouija board. Because you don't have fun with your friends. You need to be respectful of when you're using the Ouija board because you don't have fun with your friends with fucking Ouija boards.
Speaker 3:Ew, they're awful.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying like you need to know what you're doing, like you need to close. You need to close a circle. You need to read what you're supposed to be doing, because I told my children never you better, never touch one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're not allowed around me. I don't like them. But you can be communicating with some, something that you think is your mom and it's not, and like, because demons will there. They will present themselves as things that aren't scary, because they want you to invite them in, they want you to take them as yours. So they'll present as children, sometimes loved ones.
Speaker 2:They'll mimic voices, they'll give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, like if you go into a home that's infested which I just went into one, and I was like get me the hell out of here. But when I walked up I was like, oh my God, I really like this house. This is so nice, and a lot of intuitive people get tricked into thinking something's nice when it's not yeah, and then you get in and you're like, oh, and then you're like, oh, yeah, no, Okay. So this is what I'm dealing with. So it is. It is a tricky thing and I don't think we're going to be talking on this episode about how to get rid of demons or any just sort of their existence and how we see them and honestly, I don't.
Speaker 3:I there is no short answer to that, because it's always my experience has always been different. I always feel like to some extent they're cloaked or presented as one thing and then it sort of is this element of surprise. I think we both shown up places where we can immediately feel a darkness or something, but it's they sort of throw you off and there's a confusion and a chaos and sometimes it can take time to find clarity in it, where I feel like the clarity when you're working with light is very different and I just feel like there's a level of confusion and a lot of times in my experience it presents itself as one thing and then I realize it's something else and I don, I don't know. I mean, I've had like pulled dark things out of people and they felt horrible physical pain when it's coming out. Yeah, this is like uh, mom, there is something in the house and I'm coming to protect you, everybody that is watching us on YouTube, you can meet Dallas, um.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I feel like it's there is no like short, even way to talk about them, because it's uh, in my experience it's always so different, the the vibration may be, but it's the way they present themselves, the size of them, the intention. It is so different, and that's what you are dealing with when you're dealing with darkness, um, and more that lower frequency is a mixed bag of shit. You don't know what you're getting. You know, when you're working with the light, that intention and back of it is is always consistent, and so that's the difference. You know angels and the demons and the darkness, um he's growling, so I'm ready to move on from that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this was a good good episode.
Speaker 2:I know I'm gonna stage myself when we're done and I've got like burning.
Speaker 3:Um, this was heaven and hell. We've talked angels, any other things um, can I just say something?
Speaker 2:before we get off here. Yes, um, some people are going to be really triggered by some of the conversation that we're having because it does kind of challenge belief systems and religious groups, and that's not what we're trying to do. We're simply just giving perspective. Yeah, and some of it is very it is a very touchy subject and Laura and I have respect for all different kinds of belief systems. This is just our experience with it. Um, We'd love to hear what your guys' views are with angels and with demons and any experiences you guys have had good, bad or indifferent. We'd like to hear those and maybe we'll share them on the next episode or two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I love that. You, you know, address that too. I, I don't care who you believe in, who you pray to If you don't pray, none of that matters. Um, I always show up without judgment and um, yeah, this is just our perspective and that's all we can really have. Right Is our life experiences and um. But, thanks for listening guys, Thanks for being here, and we are so excited to be back for season two. Let's do it. Let's do it all right. We'll see you guys back next time. Bye, bye. We'd love to hear from you.
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