9 l The Curly Hair Extensions Episode

First time I cried after my accident for a legit reason that wasn't espresso martinis? When all my hair fell out of my head! A combination of significant bodily trauma and being exposed to exorbitant amounts of anesthesia caused my seemingly endless amounts of thick curly hair to abandon me during the time I needed it most. 

Unfortunately...that happens to a lot of people along complicated health journeys and battles, not just me.

Losing your hair is losing a part of your sense of self. And if you're like me where your hair is 70% of your personality, that significant part equates to a loss of confidence and a loss of hope. Especially after you've already lost so much.

Curly hair extensions are rumored to be a myth, but I live in the City of Angels and one of those angels is Israel (Izzy) Guzman: celebrity hairstylist, hair extension specialist, hair colorist, crystal shop owner, spiritual student, and, most importantly, friend.

I met Izzy along my mission to bring back what I thought was a defining trait of myself and while many will argue that it's not, it's just hair...eh...the people who's hair have fallen out emotionally beg to differ. We talk about why hair is so important, how hair loss can be a massive, often unspoken, trauma, and why maintaining hair and bringing back one's hair is a necessary act of service. 

Come learn about hair, learn about this underplayed trauma, learn about empathy, learn about self love. 

Win most, lose some

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Chapters

• 1:46 My Hair Story
• 7:56 My Hair Post - Accident
• 10:12 My Hair Starts to Fall Out
• 15:32 Curly Hair Extensions!!!
• 17:07 Introducing Izzy
• 25:01 Hair & COVID
• 28:47 Hair Loss Emotionally
• 31:38 Hair & Sense of Self
• 35:52 Why Hair Extensions?
• 41:58 Beauty Specialists Worthy of Trust
• 47:35 Crystals!!!!
• 50:31 The Internal & External Healing Connection
• 55:51 Advice for those Experiencing Hair Loss
• 59:43 Izzy's Rec

Transcript

Now that I've been doing extensions, there's a time where you have to remove them, get them rebonded, which is the beauty of the individuals that I do, and then put them back in. But in that period to remove and put them back in, I style the hair so that they can leave still feeling okay. - The face they give in the mirror is kind of like, okay. - When I move to get my extensions out, I am to get them rebonded that night or that two days or or that two days or whatever, I wouldn't see people. - Yeah. - Like if anyone asked me to do anything or I was like, no, can’t. - It's really interesting to see the demeanor, the feeling, the personality change. It just kind of just like, oh, okay. And I'm always making a joke. I'm like, you're welcome. At least I still styled you. And they're like, thanks for this. I'm like, don't worry, you'll get it inlike a day or two. This is really fascinating how much it means to someone and how impactful having full hair is for someone.

- Almost dying taught me how to live. Being struck by a car left me in a three and a half week coma with 15 broken bones and 16 surgeries to complete, including brain surgery. However, I woke up from that coma in an even greater place than I ever saw for myself. How? The universe will guide you out of the darkness and into the light if you allow it. Often, spirituality comes off as too high -brow. I'm not about that. Welcome to the podcast that talks and teaches about it through the lens of humor. Together, we'll harness positive energy and use it to work with the Universe, all while giggling the entire time. Welcome to Gabriella rebranded, Win most lose some. 

Hello, everyone. Today I'm sitting down with Israel Izzy Guzman. We all know him as Izzy. He is a celebrity hairstylist, a hair colorist, which is primarily how I know him. A hair extension specialist, a crystal shop owner, a friend and a spiritual student, which is why he is absolutely perfect for this podcast. I met him when I was going through my own tumultuous journey with my hair and to catch all of the speed. I had the front of my hair shaved off when I had brain surgery, which at the time we thought was a miracle because it was just the front of my hair and not my hair, you know, which is great. My hair is like 70 % of my personality. I've been saying that since I was like 15. I have a ton of thick curly hair, like so much hair. I have so much hair. And so much of my life is like playing around my hair, like when I wash it, when I'm gonna do it, like when I have time to do it, like the humidity, For example, if it rains, I will not wear my hair down. If the humidity is over 70%, I will not wear my hair down. Like my hair likes LA so much better than New York. My soul and my spirit likes New York a bit better than LA, but like my soul likes my hair more than both those places. So we defer to the hair and that is why I just brought a condo in West Hollywood because my hair is happiest when it's here and I'm happiest when my hair is happy. I've tried all the hair products, all the hair routines. I went to seven different hair cutter people. I don't know what the word is before I found the one that I currently work with. I absolutely adore her. She's the best. I will also include her page in the episode notes. And when I lived in New York and when I was like home from college on breaks, I would dead -ass trek into Manhattan to go to a specific person to color and cut my hair. I found out during COVID that she was failing me and highlighting my hair completely wrong, which was a major loss. But then I moved to LA for the law call. So I was gonna have to say goodbye anyway. So it was just a little bit of an earlier goodbye. But when I was fake blonde, I was fake blonde for like a little less than a decade. And when I was fake blonde, I probably spent like over $3 ,000 a year on my hair. And now I spend a little less. But that's that's what curly

hair requires. There is a pink tax. There is a brown tax that is associated with curly hair. It is an underserved community. And my highlights, my haircuts are always a crazy amount of money. Like I'm talking like $500 for highlights or like stuff like that, like $200, $300 for a haircut. Like that is the unfortunate dark reality of curly hair. Now I'm back to brown. It's my natural color. So it's a bit cheaper, but I still, you know, curly hair, it's just, it's not nice how much they

charge for y 'all. That's actually why I love my current hair person. She is trying to help an underserved community that's marginalized and make curly hair hair care as affordable as she can The hours I put into my hair the work the love it requires Neither of my parents have curly hair. My mom's hair is practically thin straight ultra fine so when I was little I had curly hair and You know, no one knew what to do with it And then when I was like five, six, it went straight as curly hair often does. And then when I hit puberty, like 11, 12, I hit puberty hella early my curls came back. But we didn't know that because we were treating it like it was straight hair. So I was brushing it while it was dry, which anyone with curly hair knows. The worst thing you can do for curly hair is brush it while it was dry. It's just out to here. And I thought I just had really bad, really frizzy hair. I remember in the seventh grade, I wore my hair up in a bun every single day in the seventh grade, 'cause I just thought I had terrible hair and curly hair is so hard. Then when I was like 13, 14, I went to a haircut person and I don't know why it took someone so long to figure it out, but then again, I know exactly why it's because curly hair is an underserved community. But when I was like 13, 14, I went to a haircut person who happened to be a curly hair expert. And she was like, no, bitch, you don't have bad hair. You have curly hair and you just are not taking care of it. And I was like, Oh, and that's what started my hair journey. And that's what got us to kind of where we are now, but not really because we're going to get into it. I've probably used 50 plus different products. I've had 10 plus different curly hair routines. Like how I sleep is dictated by my hair. I used to love bonnets. Right now I'm living silk scarves. Like that's why I only like to sleep at a guy's house if I like preemptively know and unprepared. When it's like, how do you too, I've, I've dead ass left before. I, I've dead ass left. Like in college, I was way too insecure to do that. Now I'm overly confident and it will be like 4am. And I'm like, I got to go. And he's like, you're more than welcome to stay. And I'm like, I really don't mean to bruise or ego, but the hair care and skincare routine is taking priority. And like, I need to go, I need to sleep how I sleep, literally leave and take care of my hair. In like an ideal perfect world, I would literally have sex with a silk scarf wrapped around my hair. I literally would do that. I say when I'm in my next serious relationship, like dating for three plus years, I'm gonna be like, "Hey, this is  what we're doing. It works better for me." But like, are you guys picking up what I'm putting down? Like, are you starting to see how much of a fuck I give about my hair and how much of my life is oriented around my hair. 

So when I had brain surgery and they didn't shave it all off, they only shaved off here, it was a miracle. But what was remaining, it was filled with blood and it was so matted and I wasn't able to shower and wash my hair for a while. So my mom, the nurses begged her to cut my hair off. But she worked for days, for hours, tirelessly, like, untangling my hair, just trying hard. And the nurses begged and begged her to cut it off. But she said no, because she said that if they caught off my hair and I woke up, I would, one, be devastated when I already had a ton to be devastated about. But I would also, more importantly, think she had given up on me and think that I wasn't coming back. So she spent hours working on, like that is how much my mom does for me. Like I think about that all the time. Like it sounds so stupid, but just like she was by my, my uncle would beg her to stop when he was visiting me in the hospital, visiting, it sounds so fun and cute, but no, he would like, but he would be like, come on. And she just know, like

like she worked at it tirelessly. And listen, she did a great job. She saved like 90 % of my hair, 'cause I lost 10%, but like 90 % of my hair was preserved and she did a great job. And like, yeah, she lost the boobs, but she got to keep the hair. And you know, beggars can't be choosers. So it was like a huge win. And I wanted to get out of of inpatient rehab so badly and I wanted to get out of the hospital for so badly for a lot of reasons. But one of my primary

reasons was I wanted back to my hair products. Like I wanted back to my curly hair

routine. Like that is a prime reason I wanted out. Like two of the first things I did when I was out of the hospital was get my hair cut and get my hair highlighted. Especially because like I was supposed to get my hair highlighted like three days after my accident that obviously did not happen. I was also supposed to get my hair cut at that same appointment. That did not happen. So my hair was so overgrown and it was, you know, the color was grown out. It was way too long. The ends were terrible. And that is a prime reason. I think beauty specialists should come into the hospital and do your hair and do and care routine while you're comatose. I said what I said, okay? I said what I said. And that is because looking like yourself is so important to healing. Like looking like yourself, feeling like yourself, it plays, it goes so hand in hand, like your internal and your external. And like at the very least, someone should be washing your face. When I left inpatient rehab, my skin was the worst it had ever been in my entire life. So I lose everything about myself. And then I also my hair is terrible.And my skin is terrible. Like it was the absolute worst. And that's why I will die on that hill. Beauty specialists should come in to the hospital and take care of patients. Like I said what I said, and if you think I'm an asshole, you probably haven't had your hair fall out of your head. Spoiler alert. that's where this episode is going. So shut the fuck up. 

The happiness of keeping 90 % of my hair and getting back to my hair products once I left in patient rehab, it was short lived because when I showered, clumps of my hair were coming out. And I chalked it up to the neck brace matting my hair and I was like, it's all gonna be fine. and I was like, it's all going to be fine. But as the story tends to go, it was absolutely not fine. And when I got my neck brace off, my hair continued coming out. And the second time I showered,

when I just had these massive clumps of my hair that had come out. And I remember I looked at the hair, I had it in my hands, and I ran down the stairs and actually that's a lie because at this point I could not run. I was like taking two baby steps to get down the stairs. I wasn't even allowed to walk down the stairs by myself until I got my neck brace off. I literally needed supervision and someone to hold my hand and take me down the stairs. So I took my baby steps two steps at a time, like two feet on one step and I did that but on a mission down the stairs and I walked into my kitchen at whatever pace, very slow on a mission and I screamed at my parents. That is actually also a lie as well because at this point I could not scream. I was mispronouncing everything and I could barely talk above a whisper. So I passionately and quietly just said to my parents like "What is going on? "My hair is falling out of my head." And my dad, as a doctor, he just had this look of like, "Holy fuck, I forgot." And I was like, "What?" And then it was revealed. So when the body goes through trauma, the hair can fall out of your head. It happens to a lot of women after they give birth. And on top of that, anesthesia can make hair very brittle and break off. And by this point, I had, you know, nine surgeries. So like, what wasn't falling out was breaking off, and what wasn't breaking off was falling out. And it was just a perfect storm of Gabriella losing her hair. And the first time I cried, like actually cried about my physical everything was when I realized my hair was falling out. Like the first time I cried about a reason that wasn't espresso martini is like a legitimate reason was when I realized that my hair was falling out. And I sobbed it wasn't the most dramatic cry I've ever had because I was so vocally limited. But the tears were probably the most plethora of tears I've ever had. And it was truly the most heartbreaking and leveling aspect of my physical health than just absolutely soul -crushing because I had already lost all these parts of myself and now I was losing my hair like I thought we had kept my hair I thought that was such a win and now lost it and it got to the point where each time I showered I lost more hairs and each time my mom would braid my hair afterwards and the braid kept getting thinner and thinner and my part kept getting wider and wider and I was terrified to shower because of that and I delayed showering as much as possible. And when I was doing the prep for this episode and I was writing down that note that bullet just reminding me of when that happened I literally got chills like it shivers down my spot because it was like a PTSD muscle memory back like of how just my mom braiding my hair and how thin it was and how terrible that was. And we started with toppers hoping that the hair falling out would kind of stop and my hair would just be very thin. But my hair kept going and going and by going and going I mean falling and falling. So then it wound up being wigs and fake ponytails and I didn't have my hair at all, and I didn't have my dignity with that. And it was just yeah, and it was just terrible. 

And in July 2022, when I moved back to LA, my mom took me to Hair By Violet on a whim, which is an extension boutique. And we didn't think they were going to be able to give me extensions because curly hair extensions that don't look terrible is nearly impossible to find. And on top of that, my hair was so short, like shorter than a bob. So we didn't think it was long enough to get the extensions. But however, Violet Tariti is a godsend and she was able to do it and able to give me my hair back. And she's one of the only people that can do that. Her company is based here in Beverly Hills but they ship extensions to wherever, if you wanna look them up on Instagram. And she is one of the only people who can do that with curly hair and she services some of the most high -end clientele A-listers. And she truly gave me myself back when I got, or part of myself back, when I got my hair back, it was getting a part of myself back.

I was rejuvenated, I cried when I got my hair back. So this time it was happy tears that I was crying, but the whole process of hair was a very emotional journey. They were perfect curls. They matched my curl pattern completely. People that I knew before my accident who didn't know I got extensions thought they were real and were shocked when it was extensions. People that met me did not think I had extensions. And then when I talked about how I was extensions, they were like, what? It was truly incredible. 

And through that process, I met Izzy, who is here today. I had my extensions taken out for good in January 2024. So I had them put in in July 2022, and they were not removed until January 2024. And through that whole process, I met Izzy, who was my colorist. I don't have extensions anymore, but Izzy is still my colorist because he is the absolute best. He also now does individual extensions in addition to, well, he was always dyeing extension bundles, but now he both dyes extension bundles and does individual extensions. He only did my color. He wasn't doing individual extensions at the time, But no, he's added that. But when I was thinking about who to have on for this episode because I knew I wanted to talk about hair as it relates to trauma, he was the first person I thought of because Izzy and I have such a repertoire, but specifically a spiritual or repertoire, but specifically a spiritual one. Every time I go to an appointment, we talk about our spiritual growth and how it pertains to our friendships, our relationships, our career, life in general. Izzy, you see me up. So I am so excited to sit down with him today. I never leave an appointment without some spiritual takeaway. So I can't wait to see what he's going to share with us today. And I'm excited to introduce you guys to Izzy. So without hesitation, here he is.

 Izzy. Hi. Thank you so much for sitting down with me today. Thank you for having me. It's been a long time coming. We're a California fire reschedule. - Reschedule during the wildest, craziest. - During the craziest time ever when we didn't even know what was going on. So is he, he was my hair colorist. He, I found him during my hair journey that you just heard about, but he is still my hair colorist since I got my extensions out. - You're looking amazing. - Thank you, he helped me go back to Burnette after being fake blonde for nearly a decade. - Fake blonde, I love that. - Fake blonde. - I found the tone that works amazing on you. - Amazing, I mean, I'm due for a gloss. - And don't mind me, I might be staring at your hair all during this time. - Okay, thank you. I mean, that's always a compliment. I purposely, I washed my hair yesterday and I did it all because I was like, I have to have the hair down. - You have to have your hair down, your and the curls curling. - It's so, I started a new routine recently. Yes. - Oh my gosh. - Yes, I started a new routine. I'm still using - - Wait, what's different? - I'm still using the L 'Oreal shampoo and conditioning mask because I will never not. But it's with Innersense Curl Cream and Innersense Gel. - Oh, I love, okay. - I went to my hair cutter person. I don't know what you called them. But my hair cutter person is the one that told me, she was, and she told me, - She was like, you don't use the hydrating, use the color treated. And I was like, what? And she gave me this whole story about the particles and she was like, the hydrating is too big. The color is in the middle, so it works better. - Oh, amazing. Okay. When you find your hair person, you find them for life.

- Well, we're gonna talk about, you know, we're gonna dabble in some trauma. We're gonna talk about the hair as it relates to trauma because it really does and people do not realize that. Absolutely. But before we give the listeners that, they know where I was when I met you. I know what you were doing before that, but they don't know. Hi everyone. Can you share a little bit about how'd you get into hair or when did you start living in California? - Sure. - Yes. - Sure, absolutely. Well, I'm an LA native, born and raised in Long Beach, and came out to LA in my, what, teens, 19s, chasing the luxury retail career because the first job I got was at South Coast Plaza. - Ooh! - I was shopping and got recruited by a manager while I was shopping at a store, Club Monaco, if you must know. (laughing) And I was like, sure, I lived in Long Beach and I had no idea how I was going to commute to South Coast from Long Beach with no car. I was like 18, about to get to start college. And I was just like, sure, let's do it. I applied and I was going to start. And I didn't even think about how I was going to get down there. I just made it happen. And then after that, I think I gave it like eight months or so, I got a taste of the luxury retail world because Roberto Cavalli came after me. Oh, nice. The manager there did, and then I got recruited and I knew it's where I wanted to be at that time. It was just such a fascinating world, tailoring to this type of client that just loved luxury items and the pieces that were there. There was all art and I was obsessed, but I knew I wanted to come to LA. So I made that move and started out here. I went back a little bit too low to BCBG. So I started below luxury, but then shortly after that I started at Gucci where I was seven years. - Oh, would you run Gucci for seven years? - Seven years, yeah. - Oh my God. - So I opened one of the stores here and yeah, it was a fascinating, I learned so much. I feel like I grew up in Gucci. Like I really, because I started at 20. Oh my god, you were like a baby. I was a baby. I started at 20. I was promoted within like a year to management role. And it was just wild, wild, intense, full emotion. And this 20 -year -old kid from Long Beach experiencing Beverly Hills Clients, a world that I just didn't know. But I was eager to learn and eager to get to know. And I loved fashion. and I think that's kind of what helped me that I had a passion for it. And talking to people with second nature and seven years later, that's what I stayed, yeah. 

- Well, you're a celebrity hairstylist, so I'm sure that gave you so much, you know how to work with that personality 'cause like Beverly Hills moms are not that different. - Absolutely, I still say to this day, if it wasn't for retail, I would not be able to handle this career. So I give a lot of kudos and a lot of props to everyone that just immediately knew that they wanted to do hair. Amazing, because it's more than just hair. It's having a business mindset too. It is wild out there. So me personally, I'm so grateful and so thankful for my retail career 'cause that helped me. And I was inspired during retail at Gucci, but some of my friends had a big name salon here. When I heard them say, "Did you see my client on the cover of Vogue. And that's when it hit. I was like, What? What do you mean by that? They're like, Oh, I did their styling on the set. And that's when I was like, Oh my God, your art is on the cover of Vogue. I want to do that. And I didn't say I want to be a stylist. I was like, I want to color their hair. I was a painter as a kid. I love painting. Oh my God. So I think that's where it just came from. And I was And then I had to, I put myself through school in two and a half years and of chaos. And then I graduated, got my Cosmetology license because of that conversation of having a Vogue cover. But it's always the littlest things that spark us on such a journey. Absolutely. It's always the littlest things that like take you on, and it's crazy how that happens always. Oh, fascinating. And So I was determined and then I put myself through assisting and which you kind of, you want to do that. I, everybody needs to assist, especially for hair, I think, and it was a great experience and it really, I had an idea of what I wanted and I had an idea of things and it helped me connect the dots while I was assisting. I was like, oh, that's how you do that. Oh, that's how you formulate that. "Oh, that's how you handle things like that." So I did that for about two and a half years, but it just so happened that it was through COVID. - Oh, you were assisting during COVID. - Yeah, so I started right before COVID happened. - Okay. - And so COVID, as soon as that happened, I mean, I barely had

like six months assisting and I felt, wow, all of that time, two and a half years that I just put into a license And now, do I even have a career? - Do you, I even have a career. - Yeah. - Yeah, but was it, because there was like a lot of, quote unquote, house calls during COVID for things like that. 

And like with celebrities, I'm sure they get that pretty frequently. So was there a way to like kind of work? - So in all of what happened, I paid attention. We had to pivot, we had to be creative. We were at house creative. We were at house calls all the time. We were just, you know, it's funny. My first house call was at a big celebrity's house with my boss who was training me and I had no idea what I was getting into. I think I know this story. I'm not going to say the person, but I know this story and I was just like, Oh my God, I can't believe we were going over. This is my first house called this big per name celebrity. What is that like? So I went online and I found this celebrity hairstylist who would post on their social how, what they do. And I remember looking at a video that she had a client in the kitchen sink. So I went and saw the video and I took note. Okay, they're gonna be in the sink. They're gonna be in the bathtub or whatever. So don't make a big deal, just go with the punches. But that helped me kind of just be in that mindset of like, don't let anything weird, weird you out. - Yes, - And they were lovely, right? - Oh, they were so lovely. Nothing is out of the normal. Anything goes. They know that you're in their home. So if they have to be in the tub, they have to be in the tub. If I have to hold them in the tub with them kind of what I did. That's what happened. - Listen, a lot of people would pay to be in that position. - Absolutely. And then I went home thinking, I can't believe I just had that experience. It was wild. But to further that, it was just a lot of taking note. Taking note, we were moving so fast and we were moving in a time where just things were evolving and things were changing. And one day we were at a salon because all of a sudden we opened and then we're back at a house calls because we're closed again. - Yeah, I just know from like my experience with my hair, like COVID was such a weird game you were playing almost with your hair. - Oh, absolutely. 

And a lot of hair loss happened during that time. 'Cause COVID is a lot of, well, that's actually interesting because you say that because when I was getting my wigs, when my hair fell out and I wasn't at the point of extensions yet because I had no hair, a girl that I met while I was getting my wig, the reason why she had wigs was because during COVID, all her hair had fallen out and it hadn't come back. Absolutely, - Absolutely, yeah, so we didn't know. And I think I'm not sure if it's still known or what exactly happened, but in our experience, the women, everyone, and even before we knew what COVID was, we were starting to see the shot, or that it was because of COVID. So that was also an experience that was just like, what do we do, we gotta learn, what's going on, how do we treat this, how do we guide a client that they're to be okay when we don't even know that they're gonna be okay. - Well, because also like when your hair is falling out, like it's truly the worst. I mean, something that I learned or someone said to me is because the first time I cried after other than I cried first when they told me I couldn't drink. And I was like, I didn't have a special martinis for a year. But the first time I cried for like a serious reason, like not a stupid, you know, thing that a 23 year old is gonna cry about. But like a legitimate reason was when my hair started falling out. It was not when I learned I had brain surgery. It was not when I learned about everything else that I had going on and was going to get, it was when my hair started falling out. And I was like, is this vain? Is this weird? And then when I was saying thing at the place where I was getting my wigs, I met chemotherapy patients who told me the hardest part for them of their cancer experience was when their hair started falling out. And they, I'll never forget what this one person said to me. And I tell whenever I talk about my hair loss, I say, she said, it's because you can see death on the body. You see what you've lost, that's not going to come back. And in the terms of something like cancer, you see what you could potentially completely lose. Like you see what could happen to you entirely. Yeah. You know, absolutely. I think it's interesting, Definitely, but I never had looked at it that way, but I can see, I can understand and see why, because based on what I see every day with clients when they look in the mirror, it's, and me personally, I mean, today, I knew it was coming. So what did I do yesterday? I called my hair girl too, and I was like, I need a - Okay, I need to, does it look good? You know, it's like, it's a big part of your identity. And it's a big part of even just your outfit or what you think, like for me, let me rephrase that. Like for me, for example, if I have a good hair day, I'm gonna step it up with my outfit. If I feel like I'm having a good hair day. If I feel like my hair is not really cooperating, I'm like, oh, okay, so the energy goes down. - At what I'm wearing right now. - So the thing you don't want to try, it's interesting, right? I've never looked at it the way. And so that's why I feel like how you said that they feel like death, because yeah, if you're losing the hair and it's all shedding or you have to shave it for some reason, for some traumatic experience or you have to go under surgery, you are losing, in a sense, a part of you. - Yeah, well, when I got my extensions and Finally, I literally say it was like getting a piece of myself back and it lifted me so much because it was getting a piece of myself back that I had because my hair has always been something that's kind of stood out about me. Like I say, I could never commit a crime because they would 100 % be able to spot who it was. But it was truly getting a piece of myself back. 

And in your experience working with clients, when they undergo some hair transformation, and you know, yeah, now you do individual extensions. And I don't know if you've done them for anyone who's kind of lost their hair or just like during COVID when you see people kind of get their hair back like, or even just like they get a nice haircut, like or a nice hair color. How do you see the client's disposition change from before the hair was done till after? - Well, first I got inspired because I worked at a big name salon that had beautiful hair and a big brand that had beautiful hair to offer clients to wear, to get it installed. And I noticed that there were, how I see it is two type of clients. There's one that wants it for the look, for that wow, for the glam. But then there's also the client that may went through something horrible and need it because of hair loss, but also they're just, it's thin, the hair is thin, they don't have a lot of hair density. And so they want to feel really good. It's so tied to beauty standards. Absolutely. And so I noticed that because I was just like, I want to meet both women. I want to wow you because you want that birthday celebration, that New Year's glam, but I also want to wow you because I want to see that face that you see in the mirror light up. Yeah. And they feel so good. And that's what I noticed that as soon as the hair is in, they come to life. It's really interesting. And it's beautiful to watch and it's fascinating because I've also, now that I've been doing extensions, and I'll tell you how I got into that. But now that I've been doing extensions, there's a time where, you know, you have to remove them, get them rebonded, which is the beauty of the individuals that I do, and then put them back in. But in that period to remove and put them back in, I style the hair so that they can leave still feeling okay. And the, the pace they give in the mirror is kind of like, okay, - It's always the same. - When I were to get my extensions out, I, and get them rebonded that night or that two days or whatever. - The two days waiting period? - I wouldn't see people. - Yeah. - Like if anyone asked me to do anything or I was like, no, can't. - It's really interesting to see the demeanor, the feeling, the personality change. It just kind of just like, oh, okay. And I'm always making a joke. I'm like, you're welcome. At least I still styled you And they're like, thanks for this. (laughing) You know what I'm like, don't worry, you'll get it back in like a day or two. So it's really fascinating how much it means to someone and how impactful having full hair is for someone. And now I can say that too, because I've noticed my density losing and I'm back on taking hair, not medication but hair pills to keep the vitamins going and hopefully grow my hair back. and I did it because of the certain way a light hit me. I was just like, oh, where's all the density going? I don't have as much hair as I used to. So I can relate in that sense, how important it is. - I mean, just living it, like it's just like, yeah, like you get it. Like it's just, I lit up, I still have the selfies 'cause I remember I texted one of my best friends selfies as soon as I got my hair back. And like, It was, I had not smiled that big since before I had gotten hurt. Like I truly had it. Like it was the only thing I had to be really happy about since I had gotten hurt. Like I had things to kind of be happy about. But I mean, I saw Harry Styles like Coachella six months after my accident. So that was, I'll tell that story another time. But that was, I don't remember it. I should not, I have no idea how my parents let me do that. It was because it was on my birthday and I was like, please let me do this. And it was on my birthday. My mom stayed in Palm Springs. It was a whole thing. I was staying at a friend's house. Her older sister was there watching over me. But like that, I don't remember it, but like other than that time when I got to see Harry Styles, getting my hair back was the only standout happy moment that I can remember since my accident.

- Yeah. 

- Yeah, it's just, but I did want to ask you and you briefly brought it up. - Yes. - You're doing the individual extensions now. - How did that happen? Because when I met you, you were only doing color. - Yes, absolutely. So I was truly inspired. So I started for this hair salon and hair brand. I started custom coloring bundles just one after another and doing my work and saw how what a big difference it did from seeing beautiful hair already, but transforming it with highlights or a different tone. And so I customize all these bundles or ponytails, however you want to call them for individual clients, but someone else was installing. And so sometimes I would also color the client's hair and the bundles, and then someone else would install, or I would just custom color the bundle, someone there was a client and then someone else installed. There was three people. But I thought to myself, why not finish my masterpiece? - Wait, what, yeah. - Wait, this is my art. My hair is going, not my hair, but it felt like it was my hair because I finished it and I would put so much love, so much attention and hours of doing this beautiful hair and someone walks by and sees it and immediately feels this is that I want because they see that that's their dream hair. I want the opportunity to finish my work. - I love that. - And that's what inspired me. I was just like, okay, I already color you and I'm coloring this. Let me finish it

because now I can see exactly where it's being placed. Now I can see where I can adjust. And I've done that as a colorist. I'm not as a hair stylist or a cutter, but as a colorist after I'm done installing, sometimes I do feel like, oh, there's like a missing highlight, then I can go and highlight and do it, and then I finish my work, and that's so fulfilling. Oh my God, I love that. That I get to do that now, and I'm so excited. Hair makes you so genuinely happy. I remember when you found my perfect tone, but then you came back and you found a more perfect one and more, but I remember distinctly the first that you found, you were so excited, so happy, absolutely. And that's the feeling I got. So I had that feeling with color already, but when I got a taste of coloring extensions and then now installing, I felt that inspiration again. You know, it was just very powerful to feel like I'm a student all over again. And here I am, okay, let's go, let's start this. and then I'm learning as I go. So I'm fairly new in that aspect of the business, but it's growing and I'm very happy where I am. And I can tell you more about it. I mean, I found beautiful hair already that I'm importing. So I'm in it and if you've known me and you've seen my growth, if I sign up for something, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it a hundred percent. - You're an Aries. - So there you go. - You're an Aries. - There you go. - There you go, so I'm excited to say that. Yes, you'll wait till you see the bundles that I get to play with and brush. 

Speaking of brushing, I just remembered. So as a kid, I used to play with my cousin Barbies and I think this is where it all comes from. But my version of playing Barbies, I was literally telling her like, I want the newest Barbie you just got that your mom just bought you. And then I would just grab it and then just brush it for hours. - Oh, really? - She like around like the house and and do they you know I don't know how you actually play Barbies but I just wanted to brush you just wanted to brush the Barbies hair and now I get to brush beautiful hairball that is so fascinating because it's like so interesting how the little things you do as a kid are so signified like who you're gonna be down the line absolutely - And I think it's so interesting. Like, I'll never, for like something that I always talk about back when I was, you know, much of an actor is when I was three, yes, when I was three, I was in my preschool's Christmas play. I was in my preschool's Christmas play. And, or no, there's a few, there's a few stories. Yeah, when I was three and when I was four and when I was five, 'cause we did the same Christmas play each year. And I'll tell this story about the time when I was four. I, 'cause a four -year -old girl was picked to be Mary in the nativity scene. And all the other four -year -old girls did whatever and they were put elsewhere. And I wasn't the four -year -old girl chosen to be Mary. And I was legitimately so mad And I was, and they told me, 'cause Mary doesn't talk. And they were like, we need your voice in the songs. And I was like, I didn't take that seriously. I was like, you're just saying this to make me feel better. But they gave me one line. I was an in owner, Mary didn't have any lines. I got a line. It was, ‘sorry, there's no room in the inn.’ Because you know, the story is that she had to get birth and stable because all the inns were like closed. So my "I'm sorry, there's no room in the

in." And I was like, "I'm gonna steal the show with my one line." - I'm sure you made that line and you made it your own. - I stole the show. All the parents started hysterically laughing, which to me was like, 'cause who laughs during the TV, but this four -year -old comes out and goes, "Sorry, there's no room in the in." And she dramatically walks away. I stole the show, like I stole the show. and I was like, "Yes, screw you, you should make me marry." - I love that. - You had your moment. - I had my moment. Mary didn't have any lines. - It's a great life lesson. - It's a great life lesson. - Absolute, oh my God, ding, ding, ding. - Such a spiritual thing. - You had to make it your own and adapt to that change. - Use what you have instead of trying to get something to work with what you have. - Exactly, that's a whole thing. - Wow, that was powerful. 

I said that like every appointment we have, I walk away with some spiritual takeaway. I feel like we've been prepping for this conversation. - I know. - You started doing my hair. - I know, since you probably had so many ideas as we were like talking for the last couple of weeks, months. - Oh yeah, of course. And especially it was so interesting to me because for some reason, and I know I can't be the only one, people trust beauty specialists, like their hair, people, so much. Like I've told you things, I haven't told good friends of mine, you've seen me have like mental breakdowns. I was like a few days before my house warming, a few days before my house warming, I was in a place. - No judgment, yes I did. We see it and it stays within.

- Yes, and I know I can't be the only person that's done that. Why do you think it is that your clients just trust their hair people so much and are willing to be in that vulnerable state. I think exactly because of that, because we see them with their hair washed, not done. We see them with dirty hair coming in. We see them in the middle of cutting hair, and you've seen those memes online when it's like you're wearing the cape. And that's the ugliest you've ever watched. And you look the ugliest you've ever seen. So, you know, it feels like we see them at not quite their best, you know, to me, I mean, I think everyone, you know, they're beautiful and natural beauty is beautiful. So, but I understand how they feel because I feel like that too when I'm wearing that cape. But so, and you're spending one -on -one attention on a daily basis and you, and for me at least too, I give every, have seen my appointments, like I'm with you to the beginning to the end. I do not walk away for me. So it's one of those things that when you're there, we're there together from the start. So I feel like it opens up opportunity of like, of the walls come down. And as the more you visit and the more you get to know each other, I've shared things too, that I think it just it creates trust. creates trust, you know, and creates trust within and I have a way I feel like because I genuinely keep it between us that people open up, and I take it and sometimes it's for advice that they ask for or something is just for someone that they want someone to listen. Yeah. I definitely know how that feels because I distinctly or one thing that I talked about with you that I didn't feel like I could go to any of my friends with, but like I needed to talk to someone who wasn't my mom about it. You know, you're so right. Yeah, because why? Because you would think she would be biased or your friends would, or your friends would pick a side. And so you're seeking someone that doesn't know what you're talking about. So they're neutral, they're gonna look. You to know what I think. I think this. And you know, I'm a person too. So I can relate to a lot of things that happened. And even if there's an age gap between me and the client, like if they're younger, I can, oh, you know, when I remember, when I experienced something like that, I can give you my two cents. Or sometimes it's not even about like listening to my advice. I'm not an advice giver. It's just about letting it out. It's just about what you just need someone there. So you can just let it out. - All people do, and that's like the main thing, all people want is to be heard. - Yes. - The main thing that people want is to be heard. - Absolutely. - Like one of my best friends who was so there for me during the thick of everything, she was like, ‘I would let you spiral even when, like when it was really bad.’ She was like, ‘I would let you spiral even if what you were saying was totally unhinged or rational, didn't make sense’. She was like, ‘I would let you spiral 'cause I knew you just wanted someone to hear you.’ Yeah, absolutely. And I've done that too. I just let it out, tell me more as I'm there. I'm in the middle of shampoo bowl, here's the extra massage as you're crying.

And you know, now that I have my own studio now, I'm super excited for that. And I feel like that even created a sense of a safer space because-- That did, it did. 'Cause I've only been to it once, I need to go go again 'cause I need a gloss. But I've only been to it once because it's only you. - It's only me. - It's only you. - And you. - No one else is there. And like something, you were just talking about how you're with the client from the beginning to the end. That is something that I sew. The person who cuts my hair, it's the exact same thing. She's also her own suite, similar setup to you. She's in the place above the real, real Melrose. - Yes, I have friends in there and I love that location. - Yes, and she says that she likes to be with you from the beginning of the end and like she was like She's the curly hair person and she trained with some of the best hair the quote -unquote best hair people But she's like they're not actually the bad like one I even know and I like I was on a waitlist for six months to get a haircut with him and then it was like, you know And she was like I have a waitlist now. I'm just kidding Well this guy he like cut Beyonce's hair, so he's very high demand. The haircut, so many, so many. - Amazing, I love. No, I feel like it's powerful. It's very powerful to give the one -on -one intention. And she has a wait list, it's probably because she's not gonna just throw you in in between. And that I appreciate because when that used to happen to me too, before I even got into here and it was just thrown in between, I was just like, "Wait, you said you didn't have any appointments, but you're squeezing me in. It always was a mind thing of like, "Are you still going to take the time that you normally take?" And then from the business perspective, the tipping thing is so weird because the assistant actually does the bulk of the work and it's like, but the financials go to the haircutter even though the assistant is with the client way more. Like the financials I can imagine on your end when you're in a sister is very frustrating. - Absolutely, absolutely. 

One thing I noticed is that because it is almost more like a sacred space now, I incorporated to tie all the feelings together is crystals. - Incorporated crystals. - Incorporated crystals because I figured you're coming here for self -care from the the outside for your beauty, right? That's a part of essential self -care. - Oh, it is, so is. - But crystals are self -care from the inside too. - They are. - At least that's how I see them. And they give you that feeling and that spiritual meaning. And so I have that in my space. I have crystals for you and they're a theme. I don't have everything like, oh, I'm a Libra, I'm this, do you have this stone? It's a theme of self -empowerment. - Oh, I love that. - So I have some that are for growth, for more success, for creativity, for love, for protection, like things like that, just for self empowerment for yourself. So I feel like, and, and, and every now and then I'll have, I'll come across someone experiencing something. And because I have my crystals there, I'm like, this is for you. Here you go. Just take it. It's probably me. Just take it. You know, they're there for retail, but it's part of my thing too that If I feel it, I have a strong connection. I'm, here you go. - You gave me crystals. - Wait, I gave it away. - Oh my God. - Okay, here you go. - Oh my God. I love this 'cause I love crystals and the internal and external is so connected. That's why I think beauty specialists should come in. - Absolutely. - When you're in your combos. - Absolutely. So I got this and I immediately fell in love with you. It's a fluorite. Ah, you haven't opened it yet, sorry. No. Okay. Tell me. Do you know the meaning? No. Okay. So this is what I've read and it always stuck to me. When I was in need of fluoride. So fluorite is for keep you focused. And I took it literally as like, okay, I'm ADD. like I'm all over the place. I need to focus. No, it puts you on your right truthful path. So it keeps you where you need to be to be able to make decisions to keep you at your highest level and to make sure that you're always on your true path and make it easier to make decisions to get you there. Thank you. That's what I'm trying to do right now. It's spoken to me and I was like, this has your name on it. I think you need it. Thank you. This is perfect. Can Can I give you a hug? - This is so beautiful too. - Not in your bedroom, 'cause it'll keep you like super hyped up. - No, 100%. I know exactly where this is going. Thank you. - Great, yeah. I love it. - Oh my

gosh. - Yeah, that's kind of a thing that you come in and it's all about self -care. - But I-- - In and out, yeah. - I love that because because one of the things that like it was no brainer for me to come for you to come on this podcast is 'cause you're also on that spiritual Juju like me. And it's people don't realize how important looking like yourself and feeling like yourself, like because looking like yourself equates to at least partially feeling like yourself. And when you're trying to heal, that's part of it. And self care, like the external and the internal are so closely connected. like that's not what the concern should be at the current moment. - Right, we're right. 

- But how would you say how important self -care is to healing because it is? - Absolutely, I think it can tie to insecurities too. So trauma is definitely gonna be a big thing, self -care, so that you feel you're already going through this incredible, just given a second chance at life. So you want to feel and look your best, you know, so that you don't feel lost. But I feel like when people say like, it's a little vain if you want to look your best while you're in a hospital. But I can see why is because you're dealing with just the health issues first. But feeling positive about where you're at also in that moment is going to help you have that mental strength to get through it. That's the only way I can see it where if you really sit someone down and be like, "No, it's not about being vain. I need to feel good too." And that's so important. I mean, it's more common being talked about now about mental health. So I think that's where the change has to is, it's truly the feeling, honestly. - It's truly one of the first, I wanted to get out of rehab in patient rehab so badly for a bunch of reasons, but one of the primary reasons was, I wanted to get back to my hair products. I wanted to get back to my hair products. And like the first things, or like two of the first things I did when I got out of inpatient rehab, and it was still in my neck brace, still looked terrible, like, but two of the first things I did was get my hair cut and get my highlights done. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think that's because it's almost like the first thing you also see in the mirror. Yes. When you get in the shower and your routine and you're about to start, what do you do? You're in the mirror. You're looking at your face. You're doing your layers of the skin routine. You're doing your products. So that's the first thing that comes is prepping this and then of the outfit later, at least for a lot of people. So I think that's how it's more important and how we talked earlier too. It's like, if my hair looks good, I feel like I can separate it with my outfit. So this is more of an emotional connection to give you that, and not in a vain way, I'm talking about more of giving you that empowerment and that, what's the word, just to make you feel good. - Yeah, giving that, I said when I got my hair back, it was like I was rejuvenating. - Exactly, exactly. If you feel, and it doesn't necessarily mean like everyone has to be in the same alignment with you, they may not perceive you as beautiful, but you're feeling great, that's gonna translate. - When I officially got my extensions out for good in January of 2024 and like my hair was back and it was my hair and I got my extensions out for good, which is funny 'cause I first, when I had my extensions was like, I don't think I'm ever gonna want these out. They look so good. And then when I was a few weeks, I think I almost convinced myself of that 'cause I had to. And then when I was like a couple weeks out from getting them out for good, I could not wait 'cause when I got them out for good, it was literally like stepping into my power. It was like, I'm back. - Absolutely, absolutely. Because you come a long way, which is way.  And look what happened. I can still remember that day. And I saw it on your social, or I don't know if you texted me, but I saw it and it was so powerful to see because it made me realize the feeling that doing hair gives someone is when I asked you to take pictures. Yes. Remember that day? Yes. Oh my God. I was like, wait, I love your tone so much. And your curls, I'm never taking your picture I had, but then I can forget it. Let's do a picture. And you were just like, I just, wait, why? - Why, it was such a magical day for me. - It like blew you away. And I had no idea that it was not my intention. It was just more, it was a normal thing for me to do. But just how you made you feel was so powerful. - Because I had lost all my hair. I had to grow all this back. And then you were like, I want to take a picture. Like, I was like - - You were like, I'm your hair model? - I was like, "Lord," I was like– - And you were, you were because I was proud of it. It looked so beautiful too. And for a second, I just forgot, like where your journey was and it reminded you. - Like all this had to come back. - Those kind of things re -inspired me and keep doing what I do, you know? And again, it's all about the feeling. - It's all about the feeling. - It's all about the feeling. - Perception is our - Yeah. 

- But that actually leaves us at a perfect place. Okay, so someone is in where I was in my situation at like the beginning of everything where either the hair is currently falling out, the hair has just fallen out. What would you tell someone who is going through the just the aspect of they've lost all their hair, albeit due to I know some people pull their hair out because they have a specific kind of anxiety where they feel like they pull their hair out. There's obviously chemotherapy, there is alopecia, bodily trauma, COVID as we've has unfortunately happened to a lot of people. Yeah. Let me ask this before I answer. Is this person like at the stages where they're still in the hospital or are they out of the hospital out of the hospital out of the hospital  they're out of the hospital that piece of it is done now which their hair is either falling out or it's completely fallen down don't give up hope you're a testament to that yeah you know um turn to what's going to make you bring back that feeling and i know it's going to be about to really hold on to that now. It's probably even so far away in her or his or her mindset that they might not see themselves coming back. But hold on to that hope and do something that's going to make you feel better. Whether, talk to, I would say, hey, it's hard for me to answer that answer. I think that's one of the questions I struggle because it's like, how do you help someone navigate through such a trauma? All you can do is just offer your expertise, but if your expertise is in here, you can just present them with a thorough consultation or entertain like what you did, way ideas, extension ideas, things like that, and have fun with them and don't make them feel like they're not alone. They are not. It may not feel that they are alone in that moment, but somehow be with them and follow up. I would say, you know, I feel them and they're not alone. That's all I can say. And I'm happy. I'm so happy to be here with you because when I first met yours, heard your story when I first met you, you made me cry. I don't even remember, but we met at the Solan on Olympic and you were telling me your story when I first met you and I first watched. - Oh, yes. - And I got really emotional because I was just like, wow, your, your attitude with that was so beautiful how you were just like, I know I'm coming back, you were determined. And I would say listen to your podcast and listen, go out there and seek stories because that's going to give motivation. You know, when you hear other people, I guess that would be my advice, seek people that have gone is something that you have and find a motivation for you because you're not alone. That is, yeah, that's beautiful. Because one of, I talk about so many times how with my recovery, what like really was the catalyst for me getting my life together and my spiritual growth was meeting, going on this brain injury and meeting other survivors and being like, okay, like, And a lot were further out from their injury than me. And like, this is what they did. And I'm like, okay, it's gonna be okay. Like, yeah, it's gonna be okay. - Yeah, exactly. I think that's something that, in any situation, obviously in that, that's something that you're going through that's super traumatic, but in life, I think you kind of seek things that you can learn from - To help you get through, you know. - Well, at least we tried to. - At least we tried to. - At least we tried. - Exactly, exactly. Yeah. 

- Now, one thing I wanted to ask you, and this is sort of my rec. So this is what I do. So every week I give a rec of some piece of content, except for the last episode I recorded, or no, two episodes. This was, I talked about this last time I recorded, so never mind. (laughing) so never mind. But two episodes, no two episodes ago when I recorded with my guest it was so Nick had to leave by a certain time and I wanted to get through a certain amount of things and it was so like boom boom boom boom that I completely forgot about the rec question but and I said this is why I need to be in a place of podcast success where I can have a producer to make sure I don't do those things. But what I do every week is I give a rec of some resource, be it a book, a movie. I've had stand -up shows recommended, a podcast I had recommended at one time that supports spiritual growth in some way. And it could be like the simplest thing, like somebody recommended Forrest Gump and why they think that supports spiritual growth or what that taught them. So when I've guests, I like to ask the guest for their recommendation because I feel like I'd give enough. That was kind of an easy question. I think I can't recommend a movie or book, but I can recommend a crystal shop. You just need one thing, a crystal shop. A crystal shop. And I'll say this, the first time I walked into a crystal shop, I kid you not, I was there for five hours. Oh my God. I don't know how time flew. I kept Circling the place picking up. I had a tray full of crystals and you're just and and they kept asking me are you guys okay? I was with a friend and they were like are you guys okay? Are you guys okay? And then before we knew it was like five hours later Because you could do so much with crystals I was just lost and intrigued and fascinating lost in the sense of in immersed in this world crystal world So I say for spiritual growth go into a crystal shop. Just walk in and don't read what they all mean. - See what you feel what you're drawn to. - See what you're drawn to. Walk in and then just, if something draws your attention or calls you, just grab it, hold it. - I'm gonna do that. - If you can't let it go, there's a reason. If you put it back, there's a reason. Just walk in and then after, you'll find that you're like, I can't stop looking at that stone. Like, what is it? then read it. I'm gonna do that. I've always done it that way. I've gone into shops where there's a specific crystal that I read on the internet and it means this and I'm like, "I know I want that crystal." So you then hunt for it for the meaning. So then you hunt for it, but I've never done just feeling. Go to a crystal shop, go immerse yourself into one. Okay. And spend an hour, yeah. Spend an hour. Just walk, absolutely. Just walk around, feel it. Oh yeah. I me and one of my really, really good friends. When he was still living here, he would call me. He's like, I need my crystal fix. And I'm like, me too. Let's go. I feel like I'm missing something. And then we would go to crystal shops and do drive and have lunch and go to like three or four of them here in LA. That is such a day. And then we would walk out with like three crystals each. That is such a day. And we were like, okay, now I feel better. That is such a day. Oh, it was so fun. And we felt better and re -energized So we went home and then that feeling continued. - That is so much of a better thing to do with their friends than like go to a bar. Like that is so amazing. - That's what we would do. It was so funny because either him or I will initiate. I need my crystal fix. - Oh my God. I'm going to ask a friend to do that. They're going to be like, okay, what? But then I'm going to be like, we got to do this. - Absolutely. And then I would walk out with either bracelets and necklaces or something, you know, and it was always fulfilling at the end of the day. - Yes. - And then I would carry that energy for like the next weeks, like in months, and where did you put your new crystal, we would text each other, you know, so things like that. - Okay. - It sounds silly, but no, it works. - No, that's a fantastic recommendation. Thank you so much for giving us that. - You're welcome. - Absolutely. 

- This has been so lovely. - Well, it was a pleasure. Thank you for having me. Thank you for saying all those great things about me. I was like, why? - I think, I'm so glad we finally got to do this. - I know, me too. - I know, we've talked about this for so long. I guess I'm so happy. - And I'll tell, like, I'm happy to see you because I feel like you've seen me and my growth. So I'm happy to be here with you and see your growth. - Yes. - You and grow together. - Thank you very much. - It was truly just so special for me to be here with you. - Oh my God, thank you. - Because I'm like, I'm rooting for you. I'm like, yes, let's do this. I love your story. It's fascinating. I think it's beautiful. And I love your spirit after it. I've been drawn to that energy since I've met you. So I'm here because I'm just like, go girl, you got this. Thank you so much. That's why you were the first person I asked. I knew it just worked. Thank you so much, Izzy. You're so welcome. And before we say goodbye, tell everyone where they can find you. - You can find me, well. So I have a private studio in Beverly Hills. It is on Wilshire and kind of Beverly Hills adjacent, but you can contact me. I'll leave my socials with you so there is a way. I'm requesting email to request an appointment. So if they can email me, that'd be great. So we can start a conversation, do like a little quick consult and then go from there. Amazing. I'm here in the heart of Beverly Hills, so. Yes, and I'm going to have his social in my notes. Yes. Mr. Izzy Color, but I'm going to, like, there's an underscore. I'm working on a website and working on getting a business line and all that, so hopefully it's a little more streamlined, but for now. I'm not dropping for, this won't be out for a bit, so hopefully that's up and I can put it in the episode. Then we can put it in. Exactly, yeah. I figured I needed it, so. Amazing. And always like, subscribe, review, tell your friends, preferably good things, but also like, you know, live your truth, speak your truth. This has been Gabriella rebranded, win most, lose some, meeting Izzy was a most. Love it. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. It's been so great.

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