Why Plumbing Isn’t Just Pipes and Wrenches: A Look Inside the Trade

Join Daniel Mitchell, owner of Mitchell's Plumbing and a proud second-generation plumber, as he dives deep into the world of plumbing—a trade that goes far beyond fixing clogged sinks and replacing water heaters. In this insightful podcast, Daniel sheds light on the dynamic nature of plumbing, where each day brings new challenges and opportunities for problem-solving and innovation.

Explore the rich history of Mitchell's Plumbing, a family business founded in 1976, and discover how plumbing has evolved from manual labor with cast iron pipes to the integration of smart technologies and energy-efficient systems. Hear personal stories and anecdotes that highlight the unpredictable yet rewarding experiences in the trade—like the time an entire can of Play-Doh was pulled from a toilet line!

Daniel also discusses the critical role plumbing plays in modern life, from preventing catastrophic water damage to ensuring comfort and sanitation. Meet the dedicated team behind Mitchell's Plumbing, who bring expertise and a family atmosphere to every job, treating customers like kin and offering peace of mind with each service call.

Whether you're curious about pursuing a career in plumbing or simply want to gain a deeper appreciation for this essential trade, tune in to learn about the challenges, advancements, and the future of plumbing technology. As Daniel says, a well-maintained plumbing system is a happy plumbing system. Keep those pipes flowing, folks!

Welcome to Plumb Delusional, the podcast where Daniel Mitchell, owner of Mitchell's Plumbing in Lafayette, Georgia, takes you on a journey through the pipes and problems of modern plumbing.

Each episode dives into the nitty-gritty of the plumbing world—addressing common issues, uncovering surprising myths, and sharing memorable stories from decades of experience in the trade.

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 Have we thought of a name for the podcast yet?



 Not really.



 I don't know if we needed to come up with that yet or...



 Yeah, we probably should.



 We can kind of discuss it after this if you want to. Yeah.



 That'll be fine. I don't know. I hadn't thought about it. I guess you want it to be catchy.

 Yeah.



 Kind of a play-home.

 So we'll just come up with a working title and put it in the title and the description, the thumbnail. So we won't say it. Yeah. All right. So I'm gonna...



 All right. Welcome to episode one.



 And so for today, the introductory episode, I'm gonna be your guest host, Justin.



 And this is gonna be your full-time host. Go ahead and introduce yourself to everybody.

 I'm Daniel Mitchell. I own an operate Mitchell's Plumbing and Pots on the Spot out of Lofet, Georgia. I'm 44 years old.



 Got two daughters. My wife, Kela. My daughters are Alec and Caitlin. And I've got a son-in-law named Channing that works with me also.

 Nice. So how long have you guys been in business?

 My dad started the company back in 1976. That's when he founded Mitchell's Plumbing.



 My grandfather built houses prior to that. And that's what he done was built houses. And I guess dad just liked the plumbing aspect of it more than he did the building. So he went into the plumbing aspect, which it's turned out pretty good. Plumbing's not something that I see going away no time soon.

 No. We all need plumbing. We need more plumbers.

 Well, I've always said, I've always said you can, you can sit in a house in the dark, but you can only use the bathroom in the corner of that house so many times before you've got to go take it somewhere.

 Exactly.



 You got to have somewhere for it to go. And it's, it's not a job that everybody wants to do.

 Now it's, it's, it's, it's actually cleaner than you would think most of the time. I mean, we get into some real dirty jobs. I ain't going to sit here and try to tell you we don't, but my guys usually, you know, at least three days out of the week, there's times that we don't even deal with, you know, sewage and stuff like that. Cause we, we plumb new houses. We do we do med gas, we do, you know, natural propane. There's just, there's a large, the good thing about plumbing is there's a large aspect. And if you, if you've got any inkling that you want to do it or, or anything, there's probably a place for you. You know, that's the thing about my son-in-law, he's real technical. So he takes care of our technical stuff. He takes care of our, you know, electronics on our water heaters, our electronic devices on water. He's, you know, he's more of a media or not media, but electronics trying to say here,



 Warren and stuff like that. But it's just, he's, he's better at stuff like that. Technology. That's the word I'm hunting.

 There you go.

 Technology. He's better at technology than, than, than, than me and some of the other guys. So he takes care of the, the newer technology stuff. Cause we try to stay, we try to get products. It's on the cutting edge. You know, if you're, if you're in the past, you're not in the future and that's, you know, everybody's pushing forward. Everybody's likes the smart devices, the, the, the things that can monitor your power, you know, if it's green, it's in right now. Cause everybody with the price of energy and stuff like that coming into your homes, everybody's wanting to monitor, you know, the power usage and the fuel usage, stuff like that. Water usage. We got, you know, early leak detection systems. That's one big thing. You know, your insurance companies are giving you a big break on your insurance. If you've got old early leak detection system and a, and a integrated valve that you can turn and check your water through your cell phone and stuff like that. So he does that. And I've got a couple of guys, Paul and James that take care of our dirt work. They do safety tanks, field lines, water lines, sewer lines, stuff like that.



 And they stay, they stay, they, they stay in trucks pulling equipment here and there for me and taking stock care and stuff like that. And then I've got Seth and Zach, they take care of some of the, I call them the heavy lifters sometimes. They, they do the tire outs. They, you know, they, they probably do a lot of the crawling. They're the skinny guys. That's right. You know, and, and the aspect of that, you get, you know, the thinner yard, the worst places you have to go to and plumbing. So that's why I put on me some pounds. That's the boss. I can't fit there guys.

 That's your excuse.

 Right.



 But, uh, they, uh, they, I've got a great team and then I've got, uh, Gene and which is my father and Lonnie, they take care of portable restroom for me. And then I've got, uh, Kela, my wife, she's an office manager and Heather, my sister, she's dispatch. So you know, we, we've got a pretty

 family business.

 Yeah, it's a, it's a family business. And uh, we, we try to keep that aspect. You know, when you call your plumber, you're not really, we call a plumber when you call a plumber, but when it's a half tooth thing, right? When they show up, you know, at least, at least you might have an idea who's coming. And I try to tell my guys, you know, make a good situation the best you can, you know, you know, always be polite stuff like that. People, you know, if you got a leak in your house, it's flooded. You're stressed. You know, you don't, you don't want somebody coming in and being, you know, you know, just matter of fact and aggravated and they know more than you do, you know, make them feel comfortable, explain them the situation stuff like that.

 Yeah. If they're calling you for an emergency, they're already stressed out. You've got a busted water line. They've got a frozen pipe. They've got a backed up toilet that's back flowing into the, you know, it's, it's not a happy call.

 No. And that, that's one reason we try to stay, you know, we try to stay, you know, very in contact with our clients and stuff like that, because like I said, they don't know, they don't know what's going on. You know, some of them don't even know whether they're on sewer or a septic tank. You know, a lot of people don't even know the difference in the tube.



 You know, well, water and public water. We ain't got a lot of well, wells around here no more. Thankfully, we've got a lot of public water, so we don't see a lot of whales, but there's still some up on lookout mountain, you know, down toward, uh, Lireland places like that. We take care of. And you know, I think, I think one of the worst calls we get is the fact of when they lose water because you can't use the bathroom or nothing. Right. So, you know, they're already, that's, that's, that's a stressful situation, especially if you've got kids. I mean, the first thing I got to do when the water goes off is use the bathroom. Yeah. So then you've got not only you ain't got a water, you ain't got a way to get rid of it. Yeah. So we try to, we try to respond to calls like that in order of, uh, of urgency. Right. You know, if we've got somebody that needs a faucet replaced, we'll call them and say, Hey, we're going to run down here and take care of this first. And we'll, we'll, we'll get to you later in the day, you know, but we try to get everybody in order.

 That's a bad place to be, man. This past winter, uh, when it got real cold and everybody's pipes around here, we're freezing ours, uh, ours froze up for three days and to be able to flush the toilets.



 We, uh, busted up the sheet of ice on top of the pool and we're going in and out of the house with buckets to fill up the tanks.

 I think a lot of people done that. I think there's a lot of pools that come in handy.

 I was glad we didn't drain it.

 Yeah. So that, that was a lot of people. There was a lot of people that, uh, that wasn't prepared for that, right? That kind of temperature. I mean, and then once it freezes in the ground and that's where a lot of people froze, we saw a lot of, we saw that we saw a lot of the meters freeze at the road, you know, because they're only, you know, 10, 12 inches deep at the road and the meters froze.

 Yeah. We're not used to those temperatures around here. The reason ours froze, uh, you'll probably like this is, uh, it was all pecs coming in, but where the main water line came in, they brought it right in the front corner of our house, which is the, the tallest part of our crawl space. And they brought it right up in the corner and is about four foot from the ground up to the floor joist and they put an event on either side of the corner.



 And so it, it was just, just sitting there all by itself, no insulation on it or anything. And all of the, the cold air was blowing in right through those events. Um, they, uh, whoever, this is a newer house, a few years old and, uh, we can't close the vents because when they did, uh, the, the mortar and the stucco on the foundation, they put it all around the vent. So you can't close them. Yeah. So they stay, they stay open all the time.



 Yeah. Ventilation constantly.

 Yeah. So I went to, I took some insulation stuffed in all the, the vents and then put a heater space heater down there, thought out all the pipes. Yeah. But it took two days for them to thaw out.

 Well, they two days. And if you hadn't done that, it'd take longer. I know it was people that was up without, uh, water for five, six, seven days. Yeah. Cause it stayed cold all week. Yeah. I know we had a instance, we take care of, uh, some apartments there in Lafayette and they have a CPVC and the older apartments up in the attic. Oh goodness. And, uh, half of it's potable water and half of it's fire protection. They've got the, the fire protection on the orange CPVC. And when, when CPVC freezes, it looks like you've shot it with shotgun. It just shatters everywhere. It goes everywhere. So it flooded, it flooded out, I think 24 residents.



 And it, when, when that, when that two inch PVC fire main busted, I mean, it, it took everything up in the ceiling, all the ceilings fell, you know, it flooded everything in which then they have to come in, have the mediation crews come in. Well, then nobody's got nowhere to stay. So they have to move them somewhere. And these, these apartments are, uh,



 65 and older residents. So, you know, you've got to be 65 or older to stay there because it's government subsidized for them. So they're not used to moving, you know? So they're not, you know, they're, they're set as I say, they're set their ways anyway, they don't want, I mean, they, they plan, they, they go out on the porches and they, they talked to each other and what you took all of them apart, you know,



 apart, and then we're trying to get that done. And then my understanding was, you know, which we had other part, let's do it too. But you know, the mediation team, uh, or the mitigation team come in and they say, well, it's going to be months before we can get it put back together.

 Yeah.

 So it was, it was

 once it's wet, you got to tear everything apart and let it dry out and then you got to remediate all the mold and they'll do and make sure that because the big problem being a contractor, big problem we see all the time and stuff like that gets wet and then they go in, they don't let it dry out properly and then they seal everything back up and then you got mold everywhere inside the walls.

 Well, as plumber, that's one thing I, we, we do a lot of, uh,



 continuing education with our guys to look for, you know, if they go out and there's a commode been leaking for, you know, a year, we want to tell that customer look, you know, we need to do some kind of mold remediation. Let me get you, we, we stay in a couple. We've got a couple of partners we partner with that we've got cards, you know, and stuff like that that we trust because, you know, some, let's just be honest, some of those companies out there, they'll bigger companies, they want to come in and take advantage, but some of them are there. Some of them are there for a good reason. And I think some of the, the larger companies has, you know, scared some people, you know, I've seen, I've seen some of the larger companies come in and tear out too much, but you know, you do want to take out enough to get the mold out of there, you know, uh, especially come, we see it, we see it on showers, tubs, and commodes all the time. Yeah. You take out a commode, it's been leaking around the wax seal, you know, you got mold, it's, it's, it's spread out fun. And if it's hardwood, it's all under the hardwood. And then people wonder why they've had, you know, chest congestion and head colds for, and you don't realize how much that can contribute to your, your health till you go to some of these classes and find out these different mold spores and dust and, and stuff like that can do.

 Yeah. Yeah. It's bad. It's not, uh, it's not anything to, to ignore. It's a, it's a big problem and doing cross spaces and stuff. And we see it all the time, especially if you've got a bathroom leak and you're on top of a crawl space, all that water is going into the crawl space. So it's not just the mold underneath the toilet or the shower. Now the whole crawl space is wet. And now that mold is going through the whole crawl space. It's getting into your duct work and then it's going out through the whole house.

 Now, as far as crawl spaces go encapsulation, like y'all do, I think everybody needs it.

 Yeah. It's not cheap though. That's the problem. I know, but they should be doing it with new construction is the thing, like the, the building codes and stuff when it comes to that is just, they're just going lay down a sheet of plastic and that's supposed to be good enough.

 And as far as plumbers go, we love to see it encapsulated, you know, helps us find any kind of leaks, you know, stuff like that and everything. But yeah, as far as the codes goes, that's another thing around here. We're just now starting to catch up with some of the codes in other parts of the area. We've just now adopted the ICC and IPC and IAC codes. So, you know, it's a standardized code, but we hadn't seen it around here. We've been, you know, they had the Southern building code for a long time around here and it didn't cover some of that stuff like the encapsulation and stuff like that, which I know it's not code, but the energy effectiveness of that and, you know, foam insulation and stuff like that is a great, great thing that comes in to help in energy efficient homes. Like you said, with building, you know, we were around it enough that, you know, I pick up some of it and stuff like that and it helps us too. You know, if, if it's encapsulated and it's got a good under, you know, underneath and everything's insulated well, we don't have to worry about our pipes freezing and busting.

 Yeah. Yeah. Because they usually stay within 10 degrees of whatever the ambient temperature, whatever the temperature up in the house is.

 Right.

 So like up in Nashville last year when it was like in the single digits, there was customers up there.



 I think they were still like 60, 50 to 60 degrees in the crawl space when it was like seven outside.

 Yeah.

 Like that's just unheard of.

 Yeah. Well, that reminds me of a story. We was fixing a main that had broke. It was a four inch main on a set of sidewalks and it got so cold. The water was coming out of there and we had got our tools wet and everything. And we set our pipe rages down on the concrete and the, the pipe rages actually froze to the concrete sidewalk. It was so cold. I mean, it was cold. We was having to get, you know, we had a tent set up and a ready heater blowing, but I mean that ready heater just didn't, we'd have to get in the truck and just make sure we didn't get frostbite and stuff. I mean, we're just, I guess, I guess it's one of them things where you're not used to working in that cold, you know, and then I go up to Wisconsin where my sister-in-law lives and you know, there'll be three foot of snow and they just keep right on going. So I mean, it's what you're used to sometimes.

 We're not Wusses down here. We're just not used to it. We don't, we don't have the clothes for it. We don't have the equipment for it. Like it's just not in our lifetime. It's just not gotten that cold that often, you know, it's once every few years and it's only for a few days. And so we're just, we're just not equipped for it.

 No,



 we're not. I got, like I said, I can handle the heat a lot better than I can the cold sometimes. And as far as, you know, plumbing, I feel like it can tell you, I mean, plumbing, we have more emergency calls in the winter, which I guess that's just anywhere with plumbing. If it's going to go, if plumbing is going to give trouble, it's going to be on Saturday, Sunday,



 uh, middle of the night, colds now, Christmas.



 You got too many people over.

 Right. Yeah. Always. Uh, you know, they, they always say the day after Thanksgiving is the busiest time for a plumber. And that's, that's, that's probably a fact, but they don't say that the day of Thanksgiving, he had just as much.

 Yeah.

 Yeah. Because it's about the time we sat down as a plumber, especially if you do emergency service calls and stuff, it might've time you sat down to eat your dinners when your phone rings. Exactly. It's just, uh, it's just the way the, this is the nature of the business.

 You gotta be on call all the time. It's like being a tow truck driver.

 Yeah, right. Right. That, or, um, I used to compare it to a doctor, but there's so many of them, they, they just swap it out. I read.

 Yeah. Yeah. They're on call. They know when they're on call and when they're not. So with you, you're always on call. Yeah.

 Well, thankfully I've got enough guys. It's experienced enough. We, we cycle it through, you know, but, and it's, it's, it's funny. We always say there's always one guy, and there's always one guy every weekend. He has call, he gets four or five calls, you know, but you know, and then we'll, there's one guy that never gets calls and then we've, you know, so it's just, you never know. Plumbing is, is you get up every day and you learn something new and you get up every day and it'll probably surprise you and sometimes take your breath.

 Yeah. It literally, you never know what you're going to smell. Uh, but yeah, it's, it's something where I would imagine it doesn't ever really get boring because you're not really doing the same thing two days in a row. And unless you're just doing a new construction, you know, if you're doing an apartment complex or something, I would imagine that gets pretty monotonous. Um, but the residential stuff is, uh, you never know what you're going to find.

 Yeah. Yeah. That's the, that's, that's the thing about it is you really don't know what you're going to get into every day or what you're going to find in the residential service side of it.

 Like you, what's the craziest thing that somebody has ever flushed down the toilet?



 Craziest, the craziest, I guess would be a, uh, a plate, a can of Play-Doh, I guess. The whole can? Yes. Or can itself. Yeah. It was the can of Play-Doh. I don't know how it made it through the toilet.



 It went through the toilet and dropped down into a sanitary tea, which you can't use those anymore standing up.

 Yeah.

 But it was an older set of apartments and the, and it landed in the tea where you could go, you could take the toilet up and send the auger down or it would flip the can and it would act like it was unstopped. Well, then when you put the toilet back on flushed it, water went by. Then when they used waste, it stopped back up. The can would catch it. Ah, you know, I worked on that for,



 I worked on that for a couple of days. Oh goodness. And, uh, finally went under there and said, well, I'm cutting this intersection out. So we cut it out. And there was that can of Play-Doh full of Play-Doh still had the cap on it, sitting in the ball with pipe, how it got there from the toilet, you know, cause the can of the Play-Doh is just maybe just smaller than the throat of a commote. Yeah. And so they had to hit it just right. Yeah. And if that are the little boy helped. He pushed it. Yeah. He, you know, he,



 you're right. You know, kids, they don't care. He may have been armed even, you know, trying to push it out of there. And then the, then I guess the most, uh, craziest thing or something, uh, was, uh, a feminine product, you know, that women use to clean theirself back when I was a teenager was made out of a rubber ball and it was flushed down. I told it one time. Oh goodness. And it hung in there and every time it flushed, it's wall up. Then you could run it right through it. It would go down and it'd flush it. Swell up. So it was



 guys stop flushing stuff down the toilet, toilet paper and human waste. That's, that's about it. I'll tell them maybe a drink that you didn't finish.

 I'll tell one on my, my say off is ain't that bad, but my, I talked to my daughter, my oldest daughter, we went to a home show, you know, why well they had just come out with the big flush toilets at American standard might, you know, they flush golf balls and everything. Well, my daughter, I stood there with the, the guy at the, the thing, and he showed me all that. When we got home,



 my daughter decides to see if our toilet will flush bananas.



 So she flushed bananas and they, that's why I don't understand how the, the, the play-doh got there there. Cause the bananas was just the first, well, the first one made it through, but the first they just stacked up just perfectly. So when I pulled the commode up, I had,

 I mean, at least with the banana, eventually it would have, it would have broken down. Yeah.

 Banana bananas ain't bad. I mean, they're bad enough, but you know, I knew what it was because when I went in there, it was stopped up and I asked her and she was always, she's like, I put bananas in it, daddy, but then as you know, so

 it was, you learned your lesson there. Don't tell your kids at the home show. Don't let them see the demonstration.

 Yeah.

 They might have a sledgehammer to your windshield. Yeah.

 Yeah.

 Well I wanted to see how indestructible it was.

 Yeah. The way they go to the car show and they show you the unscratchable paint or the, yeah, yeah. You go out and your truck got all kind of, Oh yeah.

 Yeah. I've actually seen that happen.

 I've not experienced it with a buddy I had his kids painted his 1969 Camaro with



 spray paint.

 Oh no. My daughter's half sister carved her name into her mama's car.

 But I was, I was that kid. I was the kid that daddy, my dad always told me all these horror stories. He, he bought a brand new tiller one time and I took it apart to see how it worked. Yeah. You know, eight, nine years old. I could have put it back together. No, but I took it apart.

 You want to see how it worked. Right.



 Yeah. And he said the part that I couldn't get loose.



 I took loose with a two pound hat or something.



 Needless to say, I think he had to buy another two.

 I don't know how to fix it, but I don't know how to tear it apart. I'm still like that. That's step one, right?

 Yeah. There's still, there's still stuff I do that day.

 Well, that's the good thing about plumbing. Everything just kind of fits back together.

 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing about it is got to flow. I mean, that's, we get into that. We get into the flow rates and stuff on some stuff. I mean, especially with this new pex.

 Yeah.

 People don't realize, you know, it's it, you can just go stick it together. But you know, if you put the wrong fitting on shower valves and, and, and stuff like that, I know a lot of people I see it on forums all the time. Well, I just got my house done. And when I turn my faucet on water comes out my shower head. Well, if you use the wrong type fitting down at the base for the, the spot, it pushes the water up top. So you've got to kind of watch that and stuff like that. So, um, and like you said, a while ago, you brought up codes. We, I feel like sometimes they keep plumbers to a higher standard. Did they do anybody on the job site sometimes, but I guess every trade thinks that.

 Yeah. Well, at least y'all know how to sweep up after yourselves.

 Yeah. Well, the electricians don't do that. We know that. I just go ahead and call it out.

 I've got one electrician that does. We actually got a video of him sweeping. Wow.

 Wow.

 That is, that is, he was like, listen, just record this and post it for me. Okay.

 Yeah. Well that you need to, cause I've most of the time electricians don't, don't even know what to bring more. Yes. You know, no, they don't.

 That's that's a running joke.

 Yeah. That's anybody that's in trades knows what we're talking about.

 So I think they've used it to their advantage now. Yeah. We expect them not to sweep. So they're just like, man, I'm an electrician. You expected it. Right.



 That, that



 they did that there's somebody, there's one of my, there's one of my electricians I worked with going to work. Well, I'll watch this and be like, I'm going to get him next time. You know, they just leave their copper and everything. They will pick up their copper ends. You know, they will take out of course, or something. They, I believe they actually strip it right there and just take it, take the copper with them because they'll be just a million little pieces in there. But yeah, fortunately we work on a lot of jobs where there's a cleanup guy.

 Yeah. Yeah. Got to have that. So where, uh, where are you guys located at?

 We're located in Lafayette at 206 North Duke street.

 Okay.

 Uh, we bought a building down there back in 2013. We bought a abandoned building and renovated it and moved in. And, uh, we've been down there since 2013. That's where my office is at. We've got a 5,500 square foot wire house and we've got, uh, that's where we keep our portable restrooms and stuff.



 I really don't have a showroom or nothing down there right now. Uh, pretty much so everything we keep everything on the internet. You can look at what we handle and stuff like that. If you come in, we can, we can show you what we've got in boxes and stuff like that, but nothing, no real fancy showroom. I keep saying I'm on remodel, but it's one of them things where like the mechanics got the car that smokes.

 Yeah. And then, I mean, how often do you have somebody actually come in to the location?

 Well, we actually have a lot of people come. We have a lot of walk-in customers. Uh, there'll be a lot of people that come in and pay their bills, you know, stuff like that. Uh, there's people that come in, schedule work. Um, but I mean, as far as, as far as coming in, I want to look at stuff. We've not really had a big, a big, big demand for that. If we did, I would try to address it, but, uh, not, you know, stuff, as far as coming in and wanting to look at stuff, they don't, but you know, I try to make it as convenient as I can for my customers. You know, I want them to know what they're buying when they, you know, they're using us and purchasing stuff from us. But the good, like I said, the good thing about it, you've got the internet, so you can show them what, what they get, you know, before they buy it and stuff like that. But with new homes, they usually go to places, you know, you know, supply houses and stuff like that before they, before we go in, we, uh, we probably do, uh, I would say we're 60% service, 40% new homes, stuff like that. So we do a pretty good mixture of it. We do some industrial, some, uh, commercial, um,



 I mean, we're pretty, we're a well-rounded company, I guess you could say as far as plumbing goes, if it's got to do with sewage or water, we, we will address it.

 Right. So you don't have a lot of people coming in, like trying to pick out toilets and...

 No, no, no, we don't. Uh,



 most everyone, you know, there's, there's two types of people hunting toilets.



 There's the guy that just wants a toilet that works good, and then there's somebody wants one that looks pretty. And if there's one that looks pretty, they might as well go to one of the showrooms up here in Chattanooga or go to one of the box stores like Home Depot or, uh,



 Lowe's and look at them up there because I mean, the what I keep in stock is going to be, you know, it's either going to be a Mansfield, uh, toilet or it's going to be a Kohler, you know, Kingston. Those are the two best toilets on the market as far as I'm concerned right now. And if I'm going to, if I'm going to spot something, it's going to be pretty good. So, uh, and then, uh, most everybody wants to want to comfort hot, you know, there's the higher ones where you ain't gotta make it all the way to the floor before you. So your legs aren't going on. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Then, then, then they get the, the squatty potty stool.

 I got one of those.

 Yeah.



 Are there any statistics out there that we can look up? Like how much more time people spend sitting on the toilet now than they did 20 years ago?

 I'm sure they are. Sometimes I suppose.

 Good one to delve into.

 Yeah. I post, I suppose, you know, a little facts every now and then on my, uh, Facebook page of Mitchell's plumbing. And, uh, I was looking the other day and it, you, you spend like half your life on the commode. I mean, me and me and more so the women, me and stay on the commode more than our only privacy. Right.

 Because that's the funny thing is like that, you know, it's another ongoing joke. It's like men will go in the bathroom. We stay at home and we stay in there forever. It's like, well, we're smart enough to lock the door and we go in there. This only peace and quiet we get. It's the only time I can answer emails or, uh, respond to messages and stuff like that. And so I'm on my phone the whole time while I'm in there. Well, women,



 they can't, especially if they have kids, they won't lock the door and then the kids are in and out the whole time where they're using the bathroom. Right. Yeah. That's like, we don't understand why you spend so much time in there. Cause it's quiet. You should try locking the door.

 Yeah. It is like an office to throw a lot of guys. I really is. I have, I have done said they need to come out with a commode that has a USB charger on it. Yeah. And wifi capabilities. There you go. You know, I, well you can surround sound while you're sitting there and listening to your, your messages or whatever, but I'm like you, I do a lot of business. Yeah. You know, reply to emails, replying to text messages that I, you know, you're probably like me, you get 20 to 30 text messages a day at a minimum. The minimum. Uh, then, then you get, you know, you get home, you realize, well, I saw that text message, but I forgot to respond to it because you know, you're trying to take care of everything that's coming in. And that's what I tell people a lot of times now since I've implemented a dispatch, you know, you know, I'm not trying to tell you, I don't want to talk to you, but if you call my dispatch or my office manager, they're going to write it down. You tell me, I'm going to try to remember it till I make it back to my truck.

 Yep.

 And that's very highly unlikely that I'm going to become, we'll get three more calls before I get on my truck.

 Yeah. Or if you call me while I'm driving, I can't, right. I can't put it down until I stop. And then like say I get two or three more calls by the time I stop. And then I forget, since I tell people all the time and when I'm on the phone, I'm like, Hey, right now, please, if you're not driving, send me a text message with this information in it. And then so at the end of the day, I have to go back and look at all my unread messages. So, so if you text me and I don't read it, it's because I've said it there as a reminder to respond to later.

 Right. And people, that's, I'll tell people that at the other day, I'll be like, Hey, I did read your message. I let, I, I try not to open them, but you know, I left it there where I know that blue dot was beside it. That way I could look at it, you know, and then, then the next day, because usually, usually I'm sure everybody tries to, you try to plan a day ahead of time. So, you know, if, if I'm going to respond to something, you send it to me to say the day, like on Tuesday, you send it to me today. I'm probably going to not going to get to you till Wednesday, if it's from noon after, because I've already got so much other stuff that's on fire that I've got to put out. And I'm not going to get to you, but, um, you know, the, it's just, you don't need to,



 yeah.



 Anybody that's, that's one thing. One of my friends that runs a, um, excavation business, he told me one time, one time, well, I think one time, he said owning your own company is like having the best day and the worst day ever five minutes. Yes.



 And that's true. I mean, you, you can have a, you can, one phone call can be, you know, great. You've closed this deal on this, this thing you're going to, you know, it's going to make good money and your employees are going to make good money on it. And it's not going to be, then you enter the phone and it's, it's catastrophic. You know, it's just,

 Hey, I hit an electrical line digging for this sewer line or

 the trucks broke down as to what I hate. Cause we're, you know, our trucks are our lifeline.

 Yeah. You know, you got three service calls on the book for the afternoon and the truck breaks down.

 Right. Right. So that's one, that's one, that's one mechanic. It's become so important to me. You know, that's, we, we run, we run, we've got four trucks on the road right now. And if either one, if any of them go down here, it puts us behind.

 Yeah.

 And we've, we've got, we've got a couple of backup trucks, but even with the backup truck of a time it takes to get the backup truck there, get it loaded and take back off. You've lost that, you know, you've lost that time and time is available commodity to anybody. And especially when you're doing service work, it's a, it's a real tight commodity because you're already pushing to get everybody done by the end of the day. And we understand everybody's schedule is important. You know, we don't want to be the guy, we don't want to be the plumber that they say, well, I called him, he was supposed to be there at two o'clock and he showed up at five.

 Yeah.

 You know, we want to be there. We try to be there with, if we give you a one o'clock two o'clock window, we try to be there anywhere from one to one 30. That's, that's our goal, you know, and stuff like that. So it's just, uh, I guess plumbing is one of them situations where you're kind of at the mercy of the job too. You know, I might pull up and think I'm going to fix your toilet in 10 minutes, but I might right go in there and, and you're, and then your toilet, maybe one of them, it has to play the key in the bottle.

 Yeah. Yeah. Somebody tried to flush a brick.

 Right.

 You know, crazy.

 So it's hard to manage the time or to a lot of time as they come in, because like I said, people that call it in, you get a vague description of what you're going to work on. I mean, I've, I've been called out and told, you know, Hey, I've got a, I've got no hot water, uh, no hot water. Does that mean you got water coming out of the tap with no, you know, temper to it? Or does that mean you have no water coming out of tap? Well,



 I usually take no hot water as water coming out of tap with no temperature to it. So, you know, you get out there and you've got all this plan to work on water heater and you get there and they ain't got no hot water coming out of tap at all. So then you've got to figure out, well, how to fix that. So, you know, it's when you call your plumber, I don't care if you call me or not give him all the information you can. All of them. You don't like surprises. Right. Well, it's going to save you time. It's going to save you money. And you know, at the end of the day, I'm, we don't, we don't try to do the upselling stuff. We try to just get a job done at an affordable cost for our client. And we don't want to take no more time than we have to, but to the work for you. You know, we want to give you the utmost care and the utmost quality and the shortest amount and the most affordable amount of time we can.

 Yep.

 That's our goal. I guess that would be our, our mission as far as a plumbing company.

 Good.



 Yeah. And it can get, it can get complicated and it can be real easy.

 Yeah. That's the long and short of it. I mean, it's, it's either easier. It's hard. I mean, there's no, a lot of times there's no in between with plumbing, but I mean, I guess that's anything, you know,



 there's people that go that can work on cars that do it real good. I mean, they probably don't dread it like I do. I mean, I get up in the morning 15 service calls. I mean, that's nothing for me. There's people that tell me that, that I think are, you know, relatively very smart people that tell me that they, you know, don't understand how to, you know, work on water heater and stuff like that. But I guess it's just what you do every day and what you've been schooling and stuff like that. It's just, it's a, it's a necessity we have to have. And it's, we're actually lacking workers to, to take it up the trade, the tradesmen are, are a dying breed. In general.

 Yeah. And that's, I keep telling these younger people, they're, uh, what, what should I do when I get out of high school? What should I do when I get out of college? I'm like, go into the trades, man, like go and become a plumber or an electrician or an HVAC tech. Like one of those three where you can, where there's a program that you can go through, you can become an apprentice and you can go do your own thing. Like there's, there's good money in it and there's a demand for it. And you don't have to rack up a half a million dollars in student debt to do it. And you can start making really good money before you're 20 years old.

 Right. And like I told, like some of my guys, my apprentices that's working for me, they're getting paid to work for me. And they're getting a pressure, you know, they're appreciative and under me. And when they get there, you know, they're two years in, they'll go down and take their board test for a journal. And then once you get to German, you can, you know, you can decide whether you will work for a company or you want on your own company. And then you go back and get after your masters, you know, and that's one thing I tell my guys is if you got ambitions of getting, you know, furthering yourself, let me know, because I'll help you, because we need more, we need more and more tradesmen.

 Yeah, we do.

 And, uh,



 and, and, and, and, you know, especially if you got plumbers, you know, I feel like I feel like plumbers is struggling a lot worse than, than some of the other trades because of, uh, like you said, the, the fact that they think it's, uh, nasty.



 Yeah. And it's really not.

 And it's, yeah, it's really not. There's, there's, uh, you can become a plumber and be a, like I said, a new house plumber, like we talked about, and you never have to deal with sewer, you know, if you want them. But, but the real, the good long lasting knowledge is in the service business. I feel like, I feel like service plumbing is,



 is a good business to be in because there's so much housing going in. We're starving for housing, they say. So, you know, once they add all this other housing, you're going, there's, there's always going to be problems with plumbing.



 Yeah. Especially the way things are built around here. Yeah.

 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it does get, it does get kind of frustrating sometimes the way they, the way they do build and let stuff go on. But I think, I think they're trying more, especially down toward Lafayette. And they've got, they've got a, they've just got a new codes department put together down there and they're, they're doing good. They are.



 But they've got such an influx of housing. There's a builder down there building, you know, close to 400 houses.



 And he's a, he's not from around here. So he don't, he's going to build these houses and he's building as fast as he can. And once he gets them built, he's gone.

 Yep.

 So, you know, once he's gone, you know, you're going to have houses that they, you know, work and stuff like that. But they're trying to keep him to a standard code. So, but they've got one guy doing all the inspecting.



 Well,



 that just don't, I mean, you know, how can he keep an eye on everything? He inspects the plumbing, electrical, the HVAC, the framing, everything. So, you know, I'm sure there's a lot that gets by that he don't don't see, but you know, we also, the thing about it is when more of these out of town, big companies come in to build these houses, there is less quality.



 And that's why, that's why I tell people, you know,



 we may not be the biggest company out there, but we've been around for a long time and you can always come. That's one reason I like having a storefront. If you need me, you can find me down there. You know, if I don't, if I don't answer my phone, it's because I'm busy, but you can come in down there and they can get ahold of me if you need me. And if you've got a problem, you're going to find me. I bet, you know, it's not like I'm planning on moving out of town or anything like that. We're not a, we're not, we're not like one of them come and go franchise deals where we've been there since 1976. So we'll probably, my plan is for my kids to be there when I'm gone, you know? So if you, if you use us, you at least, at least know you can come back and we're not perfect.

 Yeah. If you give somebody a warranty, it actually means something.



 I tell people all the time, we try to be perfect, but unfortunately we're not, but you call me, I'll come back, take care of it.

 Anybody in the trades that says they've never made a mistakes line.

 Yeah. A hundred percent.

 I don't care about how many mistakes you've made. I care about what you do to fix it, right? How you handle it on the backend and then that's what customers care about.

 Yeah. And I, I, I hope, I hope, I hope that's one thing my customers can say is, you know, and, and usually it's, it's 90 times out of a hundred that we do perfect, you know, good work, but that 10 times you've got to have the integrity to take care of it. You know, so, you know, we're, we've deal with that stuff too. You know, like I said, we've got technicians that, that have, that's worked for us for a long time and they're good. They are, but you know, they're, they're, they're happy to make a mistake, you know, cause I can't look over their shoulder all the time.



 I do go behind them and check, you know, big jobs and stuff like that, but, uh, little jobs they take care of. But like I said, you make one phone call, we're back out there. Uh, it don't happen a lot, but when it happens, we put you to the top of the list and we're back.

 There you go. So what, what all service areas are y'all covering?

 Right now we're doing, uh, which will, to look for yet trying some of them Fordo ring gold brothel. Uh, we do, we do, we do some of the Metro Chattanooga area, um,



 uh, Trenton and I think that's about it. Yeah. Well tunnel tunnel Hill, Varnell, CAHUTTA. I ain't got, I ain't really, uh, we ain't really doing a lot of it in downtown Dalton right now. There's just a, there's a lot of, uh,



 uh, commercial companies over there that take care of that. So we do, that's pretty much so the areas we're covering. I mean, uh, we'll go a little bit further if it's, you know, it, it, on a call basis, you know, we've got a pretty good, we've got a pretty good number of people that we can send out, but, uh, we try to make it to where, if it's, if it's a 30 minute, about a 30 minute drive there and throw me a drive back, you know, if you get it, you know, we're, you know, for 30 minutes, it's kinda,



 it's kinda getting out there.

 Point of diminishing return.

 Right.

 Yeah. So mainly Catusa Walker in Hamilton County.

 Yeah, really.

 A little bit of Northern Whitfield.

 I guess I could have broke it down.



 Like that. It's hard to do that. Plus most people know the town names anyways, versus the counties. Um, and then like all, all the services that you're doing, like what is the most common, I know you said it's kind of like a 60 40 split for, but for that 60% of service calls, like what's like the most common call that y'all get?



 Uh, probably the most common call we get, uh, uh, kitchen sink drains, okay. And then the second most common call be water heater. Uh,



 no hot water, no water, but no temper in it. Just not enough temperature. Yeah. Yeah. Usually elements going out in the water heater. Anytime we have a big storm, it's been, I guess that's why I told them, anytime you have a big storm where you have power all in off, all in off, it surges power to the bottom element and it blows the bottom element.

 Oh, okay.

 Yeah. We see, we see, and most of the time it, the, the symptoms of that is you get real hot water one minute, and then it kind of just goes off real quick and then it won't heat back up. So we've seen, we've seen several of those lately because of this storm. It just came through where we lost power and stuff, but,

 and so that's kind of like a sudden thing. Like there's going to be any scent. Like it's, it's gonna, it's gonna get hit and go out.

 Yeah.

 Yeah. Okay. And so y'all get a lot of those calls. So you're saying if, if you got a lot of hot water coming out like normal, and then it just all of a sudden goes away and then never warms back

 up, you've got a bottom element.

 Especially if it's right around a storm. Yeah.

 Or, or you've had power your power's coming on. We see it a lot when like, uh, we had a, uh, a row, a issue where, uh, they,



 a car took out a power pole and the power went off and when it comes on power back home, there was three or four houses and that subdivision, it called us, you know, right? So we see it anytime the power's off from mountain time. When it comes back on, it just kind of surges.

 So what all does that repair entail? You gotta drain the tank and yeah,

 you come out, we use a transfer pump, drain the tank. That way it takes a little bit time off of it. You drain the tank, change the bottom element, you're good to go. A lot of times, if, if the water heater's got age on it, we'll go ahead and suggest, you know, you probably need to go ahead and change both elements while you got it drained. Just change both elements.

 Now, those elements, the parts for that, is that something that's water heater specific or is there kind of a,

 well, most, most tanked water heaters have a screw in inch and a quarter element. Okay.

 And so you keep those on the truck.

 Yeah, we keep them on the truck. That's that's, that's something we keep on the truck. Any, any tank water heater part we've probably got on the truck.

 Okay. So with something like that, they don't necessarily have to tell you like what model and brand or everything it is before you get there.

 No, it's all of them take a 4,500 watt screw in element most of them now, anything, anything after like 1960. Okay. So we're, we ain't seen no, they used to make a four boat, but we ain't seen none of them in a long time. Most of the time, if it's a four boat that's been in since 1960, it's time to talk about a new water heater.

 If that thing is still running. Yeah. And yeah, good for you. Yeah.

 But now we'll, we'll see them every now and then. We'll see them now. They, they, they, they're out there.



 Water heaters, it was built back in the sixties, you know, in the fifties are good was good. The metal was good on them.

 Yeah.

 Most of the time the electronics outlast the tanks on water heaters. Now, anyways, I mean, that's, that's the thing about it. Metal doesn't do real well in water. And they're glass lined inside to get the water off the metal. And then, but the glass line don't last forever. And, and that's how, that's how you get your pin holes and stuff like that in your water heaters.

 But, um, so how long, how long should the water heater last now?



 Well, we, I,



 10 years is a good estimate on a water heater. You buy from, you know, a box store, there's better quality water heaters. There's water heaters. When you go into, when you go to buy a water heater, you can buy a water heater. Let's just take, let's say the, the most common size water heater is a 40 gallon water.



 40 gallon water heater. They make one, it's got a three year warranty on it. They make one that's got a six year warranty on it. They make one's got eight year warranty on it. Then they make one's got a 10 year warranty. You're probably going to get somewhere between six and eight years on the three year warranty. I mean, it's just, that's just it. Once you go up to the next ones, you're probably not that much different in them, but there's not a lot of difference in price.



 I don't know how, I don't know why the quality, the, what the, well I know what the quality problem is. It's like the one that's got the last amount of years of warranty. They have plastic valves, drain valves. They have, they have, they have galvanized outlets coming out of them instead of brass and stuff like that. So you lose that stuff first and then they probably use a thinner metal on the tanks and stuff like that. So, you know, if I was, if I was going to tell you anything, you know, spend a couple of hundred dollars and get you, get you one. Cause if I can say 10 years, but I mean a lot of times we see 20 years out of them. Right. I mean, especially, especially the good ones and stuff like that.

 If somebody's buying a house and they look at the water and they're in home inspector says, Hey, this water heater is 15 to 20 years old somewhere in there. Is that something that they should?

 Yeah, they might, they should probably start a cost prohibitive to go ahead and just change it up. If they want to make sure they ain't going to have no trouble in the next five years, I'd go ahead and check.

 Is there a performance benefit to having a newer water heater?

 Yeah, that is definitely a performance benefit. You know, 20 years ago, the water heater is what near as efficient. They're, they've got, they've got better insulation on them, denser foam. They, they hold heat longer. The thermostats are made to heat different to where they can save, conserve energy. So yeah, the newer ones are more energy conscious. So far as the way that it was built.

 Are you going to run out of hot water less often with a newer one? Well, or is that kind of stay by the same?

 That's probably about the same depending on the gallons. I mean, a 40 gallon water heater is going to serve a, you know, a couple of people, one bathroom, taking a shower at one in the morning, one night. You know, we, we tell, we tell anybody, you know, 50 gallon, probably what you want. If you've got a family, it'll, it'll do, it'll do a couple of showers at a time. You know, the Cadillac's water heaters right now are the tankless. I mean, that was going to be my next question.



 And when I say tankless, I'm, I'm about to say tankless. And I'm talking tankless gas on demand, on demand. Yeah.



 The gas ones work great. We have, as, as we have not seen a great working electric tankless yet.

 Well, they're just not that efficient.

 Right. Yeah. I mean, if you, uh, a lot of people think, you know, you, you go to tankless and you get an electric tankless, you can just take the whole water heater out and put the tankless in. But what they don't understand is it takes the most to replace a 40 gallon water heater with a tankless. You need a pretty, they go by gallons per minute. You're going to want a six or seven gallon per minute water heater. Well, you get a six or seven gallon per minute tankless electric water heater. You've got to have 90 amps. That's half of your whole house load. Yeah. So most people don't have that. So then they're looking at adding, you know, a hundred amp breaker panel. So it's really not a viable option to go electric. But if you're in an area where they've got natural gas or you, you, you've got LP on the house already and you can go to a tankless gas water heater, they are, they are wonderful. Uh, they, they're super efficient on fuel. Yeah. They, they use Harley. No, they do use some electricity for their, their electronics, but it, it comes in 110, reduces down to 24. So you, you ain't using no power.



 And then as far as water heaters, it's you can get in the shower and cry all night. Like I do. That's why it's why I like mine. I just get, when I get home from a bad day, you can go in there and it don't matter how long you cry in the shower.

 That's me, man. Like I, I'm the type that I have a stool in the shower. Cause I'm going to sit there. Cause that's, uh, that's how I like, you know, I don't have a hot tub. So like hot water running on, you know, sore muscles and everything. I'll sit there for 30 to 40 minutes. And uh, my fiance hates it. She's like, I, I, I'm in and out in five minutes. Like I don't like standing in the shower.

 Yeah, I do. It must be, it must be a, it must be a, it must be a tradesman thing. Cause I do. Yeah. You know, you drop your hand, let it run down your back because it's, it is, you know, it does relax you and then stuff like that. But that's what I like about the tankless hot water heaters is never runs out. It never runs out. I mean, you're gonna, your fiance is going to come get you before you're going to run out of hot water.

 Yeah. Well, we we do that with ours only cause I crank the temperature up so high on our water.

 You can do that.

 Yeah, you can. Speaking of which where, what should your temperature be set at? Well, if you don't, let's say you don't have little kids and your kids are old enough to be smart enough, not to burn themselves. What should your temperature be set at? And is there,



 can you cause problems with your water heater by turning it up too high?

 If you turn it to about 135,



 you're not going to over work the elements, but at 135 you can scald a child. Yes.



 So 120 is what they're going to tell you and all your books and, but 120 that way you don't scald no, you know, by the time it gets to the top, you've got 110 water. It's not going to scald or burn nobody, but 135 is a good working temperature for the water heater. Okay. You know, that's going to get the maximum amount of water out of a tank. Like you're saying you got turned up right way. You don't have to mix as much cold water into mixing valve.



 And, uh, but yeah, 135,



 I have seen people crinkle them up to 140 and, but it's going to put more heat on the bottom element. You're going to burn more bottom elements. Okay. That's why, that's why, that's why when you move into a house, which everybody does it, uh, you got one water heater, one 40 gallon water heater and it was you and your wife. Then you have kids and it's you and your kid, you know, then you have to take it most, you know, four family, a 40 gallon water heater for a four family. It's, it's putting a lot of stress on it. You know, you'll see a lot more elements burn out the more water you use. They're like, I guess elements, I guess the best way to explain the element. It's like a light bulb. It's like a filament in a light bulb. That'll thing only burn so long. If you break a, if you break an element open, it's got, it's got a, it's got a insulation around a little wire and that wire is what gets hot and it heats up that ceramic and it heats the water. Right. Well, that war, I only get so hot so many times before it'll burn into, and that's what happens to a water heater element when it goes out or the power surges and it pops it. Yeah. And then, uh, so 50, if you, you know, if you, if you oversize your water heater, you're going to get better longevity out of it. You're going to have more hot water. So we suggest you oversize a water heater rather than other sizes.

 Yeah, definitely. Yeah. That was the issue that we had when, when I moved in over there, one person would take a shower and there'd be no hot water. And so I was like, this is a brand new water heater. And so when it was set on like 110, 115 and whoever put it in, it was a new house. And so whoever installed probably just put it in and out of the box, how it was, they didn't adjust it.

 Well, it depends on where it's at and the inspector, they can check it. And if it's over, you know, 120 degrees, they'll turn it down. They can turn it down or tell you to turn it down.

 Yeah.

 Before they'll give you a CO on the house, if it's a new house. So, so it's, it's, it could be that, but yeah, most of them out of the box are 120.



 And as a plumber with, with liability, you don't change it. Right. So probably they put it in out of the box. Yeah. That's your job as a homeowner to get in there and turn it up. It's not that hard to do. No, it's not. It's really not. And what they do make some that you can adjust on top. I mean, it's, they, got a little smart box.

 Oh yeah. I've got the last place I lived out of the smart box on top. You can turn it up and turn it. But that thing would always, it would trip all the time.

 Well, you've got, that's that you turn it too high. It'll trip out. I mean, that's, that's what it's doing. It's trying, that thing's supposed to save your elements. So when that element was getting too hot, it would kick out. Okay. So that, that's, that's one of the things about it. But, and then, and then another thing that will save your water heater is a water filter. Right. Any, you know, any of the particulates, heavy metals, you can take out of your water, which is good for you too. I mean, uh, because the stuff it builds up in the bottom of water heaters, same thing that builds up in your kidneys.

 Yeah.

 Uh, knock on wood. I've just got through taking care of some of that issue with myself, you know, and I'm a plumber and I know that hard metals and stuff are in water and I,



 you know, I still had kidney stones, which is probably the 50 to a hundred, uh,



 energy drinks I drunk a month, but you know, yeah,



 but you know, we, we, we do a lot of, uh, house, whole house filtration now. Okay. Uh, it probably goes hand in hand with anything now. At minimum we see them putting in at least a carbon filter, you know, because of, uh, the, the water chemicals that's in the water and, and things like that. Um, which around here, we've got pretty decent water. I feel like our water heaters don't look near as bad as some of them up toward, you know,



 North Tennessee, across the river and stuff like that.

 I've traveled all over the country and showered everywhere and it's, uh, the difference in like the hard water. And like, I've, I've been places where you, the film of the soap just does not come off. Yeah. And it's just like, we don't have that problem here. I don't know which one it is hard or soft, whichever it is, it was the opposite of what we have here. Yeah. And I just felt greasy all day.

 Well, we have, we actually have hard water here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You guys, that was too soft. Yeah. But what it is, it has different elements in it. Uh, here, we have a lot of limestone. Yeah. So we have the high, the harder, the harder water, which hard water to me is like you said, it don't bother me as well. Bad as it does the other. Now, ladies love the softener systems because of their hire, which some of us like you, you know, your beard, you might want to, you know, you're softer for your beer. Yeah.

 I put oil in it. I'm not worried. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like having residue from the soap and the shampoo.

 Yeah.

 Well, that's, that's the, but that's a whole episode on its own. Yeah. So I think, I think just the flow of the conversation today for, uh, for episode one, we got a lot of stuff that we can cover for you in upcoming episodes, diving deeper into this stuff. Um, so Daniel, I appreciate you letting me be part of episode one for you. And so guys, uh, be looking out for more stuff, uh, coming from Mitchell's plumbing. So, uh, for your, uh, your filling hosts for the day, I'm Justin. I'm Daniel. We'll see y'all on the next one. Thanks.



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 Yeah. I had to stop you. Well, that's what I didn't want to get on topics. I knew we'd take, we're like, you're right.

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