Faithful Founder

Called to Create: Following God’s Lead as a Founder

• Jamie Cain • Episode 1

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What does it really mean to build something with faith at the center? In this first episode, I open up about my journey from side hustles to full-time entrepreneurship—and how leading with my discipleship has completely changed my approach. This is about more than starting a business; it’s about answering the call, taking leaps of faith, and keeping God at the forefront, even when the path isn’t clear.

If you’ve ever wondered how to honor your faith while chasing big dreams, this one’s for you.

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What is a fateful fellow? Yeah, that's a good question. What is a faithful founder? To me, I feel, I think. I think there's a lot of ways that you can answer that question. Right? But the thing that comes to my mind is we all have ways of glorifying God in our life. We all have talents and skills and abilities that clearly that God has blessed us with. And not to, you know, uplift ourselves, right? Not to, boast of ourselves, but to glorify his name, to glorify our Savior. Same Jesus Christ, right? And so for me, I think, you know, we're be able to you're taking your skills and your abilities and your talents and putting them into starting this company, to launching that, to launching this venture, this startup. Right. And knowing that your purpose and doing your ultimate purpose, I should say, because there's a lot of different purposes. But your ultimate purpose in doing this is to glorify the name of God is to glorify Jesus Christ. Right? Because he is in a joint, he is made us joint heirs with him in the kingdom of God. And that is what he asks of us, right? You know, it is to glorify his name so that he may glorify the father's name. Right? And to me, that is what a faithful founder does. Yeah. I guess what challenges of his face, since you've approached it from more of a faithful founder perspective than a traditional maybe business owner? Yeah, I don't know, because it's, it's one of those things that I, I mean, I've done a bunch of side hustles. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've done the econ stuff and the marketing funnels and, you know, you know, bunch of different stuff, man. But it's, you know, it's I feel like I, you know, I felt and in I've always been a Christian, I've always believed in God and Jesus Christ, but I don't think I was ever, ever approaching those things as I'm leading with my relationship with Christ. Right? I'm leading with my faith. I'm leading with my discipleship. That was never happening right? And so I think the biggest, you know, thing for me is that I'm leading with that. I'm not leading with wanting to be a founder, even though I do. I'm not leading with my desire to make good money, because I do. I'm not leading with my desire to build an awesome company that's going to do really cool things, even though that's what I want to do. I am leading with my discipleship. I am leading with my faith in Jesus Christ. I am leading with my belief that that God is who he says he is, which is that personal, loving, all powerful creator. That the that that the Christian belief system teaches us ideas. And I know that he is right. And so I think for me, I can't speak for others, obviously, but from my experience, going from, you know, a business owner or a side hustler who happens to be Christian as opposed to a faithful founder, that's leading with my discipleship. That's that is the biggest difference, is that I'm putting that at the forefront of what I'm doing, not not as a secondary, you know, motive or description, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. Makes sense. Can you share, like, a pivotal moment? Maybe that little faith has really impacted your decision making a business or. Yeah. Being a founder. Yeah. I mean, I, I discussed this a little bit with the episode with Travis and Brad, but talking about how, I took that leap of faith to do this full time, right? I mean, it was I didn't know what I was going to do because I felt I, you know, I felt like, okay, you know, I'm building this company. So clearly I need to do whatever your founder does and continue to work as I build it. And then once I can replace the income, then I jump on full time and I apply for a ridiculous amount of jobs, more jobs than I ever have apply for my life. And I looked at my resume and I'm like, I've never had a hard time getting in a rut. I've never had a hard time getting a job, like, ever. Like it's just never been a problem. Let's in that to brag. I'm just like, that's just been my experience, you know? And because I feel like I performed everywhere I've gone. Right. And so it was a humbling experience and a really sad experience. And I'm like, maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I'm not the sales professional that I thought it was. Maybe I'm maybe at 30 years old, I'm just like an I'm just totally oblivious to my own mediocrity, and I do. I feel like I'm a pretty mediocre person. I just refuse to stay mediocre and to stay average, you know? And so it was very humbling in that regard. But then, you know, praying my wife and just pleading to the Lord like, I've gotta see a path here, like I've got to have something because I'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but you know how much I love my children and my wife and how much I want to take care of my family and the love that I feel for my children. My wife is not even comparable to the love that he has for them and for me, you know? And so if that's the case, then I've got to be able to take care of my family, you know? And and because I've followed your instruction to resign from my previous job, I followed like the promptings. I felt like I had, the personal relation I felt like I had to do so, you know, and which was a big leap there in the beginning. You know, it's and then feeling like, you know, my wife saying, well, when we said Amen, you know, I, I feel like something's coming down the road. And then for that answer to be, and people can listen to the other podcast and go into that. But for an answer to be this source has a new full time, like taking a huge pay cut, number one, number two, it's like we you know what? Founder jumps in full time from the very beginning. I don't really know that many. You know, that do it like that. But feeling very confident, through the circumstances. And people can call it coincidence. That's fine. But I find the more I pray, the more coincidences occur, you know? So therefore they're not coincidences, you know, and that was anyways, that that choice of having that faith and saying, okay, I'm going to stop applying for jobs. I'm not going on this 1,000%. This is going to be my only focus. Right? And my relationship with God. More importantly, yeah, that was a huge like decision of faith, right? I that's the thing. I could go off of. And it's worked out so far, and I have faith that it will continue to work out even when things are hard, because entrepreneurship is rough. Dude, I found it is hard. I don't even know how hard it is right now. I know it's only going to get harder, you know? But I know that I was instructed to do this path or to walk this path or choose this path, and to, I don't want to say forsake, but to stop looking for other work and just do their full time. Yeah. So yeah. Like it's inspiring. How do you maintain your faith amongst all of the chaos? And yeah, that's. A good question man. How do I maintain my faith of practice? I don't feel like I maintain my faith. I feel like Christ maintains he. Christ continuously calls to me as as we know through Scripture, like when we feel a call to Christ, when we feel a call to discipleship. It is not us that make that decision. It is first a spirit speaking to the heart, saying, follow in the footsteps of the of the Son of Man, right? If fall in the footsteps of, you know, of of Yahweh. Right? Like that is what the spirit is saying, right? Jesus of Nazareth. Right. Come and follow him. Drop your nets and come and follow him. That is where the spirit calls us to do so. Am I choosing in my choosing a half? Yes. Am I maintaining my own faith? No, because my faith is maintained only by the grace of Jesus Christ. No, I believe that can only happen by a changing of the heart, which you have to with Christ says, turn the you know, base of your your heart of stone has become a heart of flesh. Right? And so that part, only by the grace of Jesus Christ are we even able to enter into a relationship with him. But we have to maintain that relationship. So I think it's maintaining faith. Anything is maintaining relationship. Right. And for me, what does that look like? That means daily prayer, frequent fasting for me. I know some people may disagree. I think going to church, whatever church, right there's always is biblical, and abides by what Christ taught, right? Not what you think Christ taught, what Christ actually taught. Right? You know, so frequent fasting, frequent prayer, attending services. Right. Being a part of a community, serving others. Right. Those are the facets that for me, through spiritual leaders. And I've been able to say, okay, this is how I maintain my relationship with Christ, because when we do those things, it's for us. Yes. But Christ also says you're doing those things unto me, right? When you serve. You're doing that on to me, right? Like when you pray, right, you're glorifying God because you're entering into prayer or saying, I'm humbling myself before the creator of the universe, before the creator of me, recognizing my unworthiness to enter into this relationship. But yet he allows me to enter into which is this and same. You think about that, right? Like it blows my mind. I think about that. So anyways, I go off on tangents a lot, but all that to be said is I'm not maintaining faith. Christ is maintaining that faith for me. I'm doing my part in maintaining relationship with Christ through his grace. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's biblical. Good. How do you feel your faith has shaped your approach to risk taking in battles? Well, that's a good one. I think it's made me more confident knowing that, knowing that if I, if I follow the revelation I receive, if I follow the whisperings of the spirit, right. If I follow the answers to my prayers, that no matter what happens, whether from the outside looks good or bad, it is good for me. It is good for my soul. It is good for my relationship with Christ. It is good for my salvation. Right? To follow him. Right. And and I maybe, you know, maybe not salvation, but, my, sanctification is probably a better way to say that, right? Yeah. And so I, I feel that following those things doesn't become it doesn't mean it's not easy or doesn't mean it's not hard, cuz it doesn't make it easy to do those things. But knowing when I walk into those things that I have done my best to heed the call, to follow the prompting to follow the spirit right? So I know that it's going to be for my betterment. Now, if, let's say, because a lot of times we mix up our own emotions like what Paul says, the heart is deceitful, Christ for that. I mean, that's why Paul said it, right? But, you know, I came here. I'm thinking of when the apostle Paul, where he talks about the heart being deceitful. Right. And a lot of people say, listen to your heart. And we're not or we don't listen. We shouldn't listen to the heart all the time. You need to listen to the spirit. And when your heart and your mind are in conjunction with the gospel, that's when you're making the correct decision from a gospel perspective. But with all that being said, there's a long time. There's a lot of times that we follow our heart and we follow our emotion thinking we're following the spirit, thinking we're, you know, following a prompting or not. Right. In those circumstances, I find that even if it wasn't a prompting, even if it wasn't an answer to a prayer, if you compared it or I should say measured up to the gospel, and it's in accordance with the, not the laws, but, the precepts, the principles of the gospel. Right. It's it's up to par with what Christ taught us. Then you're going to be okay, right? You cannot go wrong in a direction as long as you know that you're in incoherence, that you're in harmony with Christ. Gospel. Right. Because all good things come from God. And so with that being said, even if it wasn't a prompting, if I followed it and it was still good, I still do the right thing. As a disciple, I don't think you can go wrong. Think it's when you don't follow, you don't. You you don't act and act in line with the gospel when you step outside of your discipleship and then you make those decisions because those are the times that you get greedy. Those are the times that you get, angry. Those are the times that you do the things that are unethical, right? Because that's just the nature of man. This were fallen, you know what I'm saying? And more not living up to the precepts of the gospel, then that is the natural occurrence that's going to happen. Right? So I don't know, that was the best answer, but that's kind of what's coming to mind here. Yeah. Being a founder, you come across, I think, a problem or whatever money is. But how would you say you plan on managing money? Yeah, I am managing money. Exactly. Now how are you doing it? Is it like, how do you do work? Surely. How are faithful founders supposed to look at money. In their personal lives or through the business perspective? But okay, so the start with the personal life, right? The the personal life. For me, I think the people founder looks at money number one as a blessing. Right? Because a lot of people in this world, I do not have money, I do not have means. It's a blessing that you should be grateful for, not a oh, look at me. I have all this money because I have everything that I did. Oh, I am blessed to have this money because the Lord saw fit for me to have it. I think the second thing is finding out why you're supposed to have that money, right? Like, why were you blessed with that? You know, is it to take your family 1,000% rises to take care of yourself? I think you know, today, to be healthy, you got to have money, which is a really sad thing, you know what I'm saying? So for me personally, this is the gospel according to Jamie Kane, right? I think having that money for me is a is, I really wanna put a lot of that towards my health and my family's health, you know, personally. And so but anyways, going back to the original question, it's okay. Why do I have that money? Who am I supposed to bless with this? How am I supposed to operate? Right? I also look at money is the ability to, you know, not live in desperation to not worry about, like, can I give my kids that next meal? Which is a massive blessing because there's lots of people in this world that are stronger than me, and they're stronger than a lot of people that will never be able to have that comfortability, never have that assurance they will be able to offer that next meal to their child, which is crazy. When you think about the third world, you know what Christ said. Or just I mean, even in America, man, look at America, the how many people are homeless and don't know if they're going to be what a for shoes for their kids, right. And like, Christ, that is like the poor. You should always have with you. You know. So if you have money, I think it's your responsibility to bless the poor because what you doing to them, like I said earlier, is what you're doing in the Christ. We're commanded to do that. Right. So I think that's number one. You have the money. It's a blessing. Find out why you have the blessing and operate in the way the Lord will have you operate with that blessing. Right? As far as money, from a founder perspective, the money you're receiving is not your money. Sure, you're getting it. It's revenue. It becomes yours, but it's coming from somewhere else, right? It's coming from a customer that's trusting you as coming from investors. I believe in you. Maybe you're doing maybe you're very early on. You're doing the friends and family thing, right? Or the angels, like all people, putting their trust in you, that you're going to be able to do this thing and trusting your word that you're going to do everything you can with their money, which is now under your stewardship, to do with the talents to multiply, to show that you're not taking them for granted when they give that to you. And so I look at money for my faithful founders. If I did in a startup environment, it is I'm a steward of these funds. I cannot be lackadaisical, I cannot be careless. I cannot be ungrateful. I have to be the exact opposite. All those things with this and manage it well. Right. And that's to me, I think, you know, once again, my personal opinion obviously, and this is my podcast, but, that's how I feel right now. That's how I feel. Yeah. Through your experience. Since starting help August, how have you handled stress? Not well. That person. This is once again for my personal experience. So I can't speak for anybody else. My entire life, I've dealt with stress very, very poorly. You know, I have mental health issues that I've had for a long time. I have an anxiety disorder, that really make stress hard for me, you know? So I that's one thing that I know is one of my everybody's got multiple crosses to bear and to carry with Christ. Right. And that's one of mine is to manage stress, you know, and to figure that out. And I've been praying a lot about that recently of how do I do that, you know, and that's that's my question for a long time. And the only thing that I think is helped me is looking at the people that the Lord has blessed with, blessed my life with, and brought into my life. Right? Like I'm talking to my wife, who was always supportive, who was very down to earth, that doesn't get stressed very easily and is always there to like, come for me. I look at my kids because I can't, let the outside world affect my relationship with them. Like, or at least can't let them see the how it's affecting me. I personally believe that. And so I have to put those things aside when I'm with my kids. You know, I'm not perfect to that, man. I screw up all the time with that, you know? But so I look at what the Lord has blessed me with as my wife, as my children. And then it's friends. And I have really good friends that I can talk to and just, you know, have a conversation with. And I find many times that the Lord, I mean, for my life, I mean, it's been more than I could ever count, but the Lord has blessed me through other people, right? That is like, you know, I, I just find it interesting when God says, you know, I created, you know, man or woman in my image, or I would cry, you know what Genesis says, man and woman to create. He created them in his image, right? We're that means that we see God and everyone around us, right? If we truly look for we will see the creator in, in every person around us, you know? And so for me, I just sit there and I think, okay, the Lord is clearly surrounded me with those that can help me with this thing and I'm clearly not good at. So I need to take another take advantage of people, but take advantage of those relationships in a healthy way, you know? And the hope, my prayer is that I will be able to help those people in some way, that they struggle, because that is the gospel, right? I mean, that is that is one of the parts of the gospel, but at least a part of the community that Christ clearly set up with his church is the body of Christ and us uplifting each other. They help me with my stress, my anxieties, and my weaknesses, and hopefully in my weakness and in imperfection, that I can bless their lives in some way, you know? So that's not the best answer. Okay, obviously I'm still trying to figure those things out, but for right now, that's probably the best answer I can give. Yeah, no, being a founder has a leadership aspect. Yeah, I mean that's not the core of it. Yeah, 100%. What would you say it takes to be a leader? Oh, that's a good one, man. That question is, you know, from the Christian perspective, which I you know, it's funny, man, because it's, just recently I was listening to a podcast. I'll go off on a tangent. I'll come back to the question as listen to a podcast. And, so I sent you way and, and they talked about how Christianity is not a religion because Christianity is a truth, right? It is. Christianity is by what all things are built up upon, because all things are built up upon the grace of God. We will not exist. This world where ours exist as universe, would not exist. None of this is an accident. You are an accident. I'm an accident. This world is not an accident. Right? And so it's, it's, you know, we don't follow religion. We follow the truth. Right? And that's what, you know, the we follow the way, right? That's what the early Christians called Christianity. The followers of the way. That's what first and second century Christians said. You know, and, and so to answer your question about how do I how do fifth, the founders lead? We have to follow the way we have to follow the truth, right there. Christ clearly taught how to be a leader. He Christ was the ultimate leader. He was a leader of men. He was the leader of his sheep, his discipleship. And he's a leader of the world right. And when he comes back, he will lead all of us into, the kingdom of heaven. Right. And so I think, I think for me, you know, he talks about, like the first among you shall be or the least among you shall be the greatest. Right? And that's what we have to be. We have to become the least. What does that mean? That means that means transforming ourselves, shrinking ourselves and our egos and our ones and our desires to instead reflect the will of the Lord and what is best for those around us to be that servant first, right? That is, leadership at its core is serving as not bossing, is not micromanaging is not. It is serving and setting the example. Right. And I've talked about that in a secular way, like, oh my, you know, we know with one on one with people on my LinkedIn, I've talked about how leaders are culture creators and they're pacesetters. Right. Christ, do you look at him. And he clearly was the culture creator. He created the culture that we all live in. If you're Christian, if you live in the Western world, you may not be Christian, but you're swimming in Christian waters. As Tom Holland, the author, or Dominion would say, right, it's a great book, but I would highly recommend. And he was clearly the pacesetter because he set the example for us. So he served, he set the example, and he created the culture. That's what you should do in following Christ. Those three things in a disciple as you as a disciple will set the table for everybody else that enters under your stewardship as a leader. Spit on mic. Three other I think part of being a leader is, developing a like minded team, people that, you know, mission. Focused. Mission focused. Yeah, that are really joined side. Yeah. So when you're developing your team and the team that you currently have. Yeah. Who are you looking for like. Yeah, this is part of being a founder. Yeah. I was just on another podcast where the guy asked me this question. My good actions at a guy's when my best friend is Donovan Barrett, his podcast is for the masses. Highly recommend. Anybody go listen to his show where he talks about leadership from the Christian perspective. Yeah, which is really cool. Talking about entrepreneurship from the Christian perspective. Right. So, which is a form of leadership. So we had a really good conversation. But as far as, you know, finding people, it's I don't know if, you know, I the reason I, I, you know, not track demand be the right word but you know, put my $0.02 in with mission focus as opposed to like minded. Right. Like I the thing that we should be like minded on is, are ethical values, right? And I'm not saying that my co-founders had to be Christian. I'm not saying that the people that will eventually work for our company or be investors, like, we're not saying they have to be Christian, right? We're not. But we're saying is that they need to operate off of ethical and moral grounds, because I do believe that good is objective. I do believe that evil is objective. I do believe that the truth is objective. Right. I don't fall into that. We have I don't fall into relativism. Right. Moral relativism is a honestly, I think, a great evil in this world. Right. Because you can just be the arbiter of what you think is good and bad. And that's a dangerous proposition. Right? And so with all that being said, I, I, I just care. And the people now around me are like minded in that they do believe as objective truth. They do believe that there is objective good and evil. That is not that is not relative, and that their mission is to act as a ethical and moral individual to the best of their abilities. Right? That's what I care about. As far as the mission focus part, you can't surround yourself with people that don't share the vision of the business. They don't share the mission, the goal of your star and mean what you're building. Right? And so you have to surround yourself. You, you know, outside of that first piece of the ethical, moral grounds of do you catch the vision? Do you see where we want to take this? Do you see what we're building? Do you see how we want to serve people? Do you want to see how we want to disrupt the industry? It's a yes or no question, Ryan. You can figure that out in a conversation relatively quickly, I think. And so to me, those are the things that you need. Yeah. You know, I hate the term check the box, but you gotta check those two boxes, you know, when it comes to your founding team. Because if not, if you're a founding team, your founding team is going to steer the ship. You're founding team, and you're founding investors will steer the ship right. And so if you made the wrong decision, the ship's going to sink, you know, you that's that is mission critical when it comes to if you're not found, if you're not a solopreneur or right, if you're not a solo founder, which I don't recommend. And I'll say, Bill, do I don't then that's a critical decision. Yeah. What pieces of advice or I don't know, I guess three piece of advice you would give to maybe a founder who's found himself revisiting his why, you know. Three different. Reasons to be three to be five, like, yeah, different ideas. Because like, imagine this. This is pretty common. People get in a situation, right. Ultimately the same situation or get the opportunity to be a founder of something. Yeah, but they don't know how to go about figuring out the why. Why am I doing this? Sure. You know, because like in your situation, obviously you were given this opportunity, but you found like the whole reason why the realization, like, Christ gave you this opportunity for somebody who hasn't found that yet. I mean. I don't think he I don't think gave is the right wording lead. Yeah. Right. Because he isn't he you know, he does give us a gift freely of salvation. We're the ones that have to. Yeah. Confessing with Christ. Right. But outside of that Christ you know he doesn't make things. Christianity is not easy though, right? When he told Jane or Peter and Andrew right to drop, not to come follow me like that's just that's a short verse in the New Testament. Yeah, but what comes with that? That's the livelihood of Peter and his brother. Peter was married. We know that. You know what I'm saying? That's the livelihood of, of of his family. Right. It's everything that he ever knew. It's giving of the comfortability of his life and saying, I don't know who this man is, but I'm not. It's not just dropping like his physical nets. He's dropping every meter, every metaphorical net in his life and following Christ even to where he was crucified upside down. We're not following an easy path. It is not easy. Right? And so Christ did all that was wasn't your question. But Christ doesn't give us a lot. He leads us to everything. But what he gives us is salvation. Then he asks us, you know you're the one that has to make the choice. You're the one that has to make the journey. I will lead you, but you're the one who has to take the step. I will strengthen you, but you have to make the resolve to do it, you know. And so I feel led to this. Right. And and and by the grace of God and by the will of the Lord, things of Christ is clearly opened the doors for us, which has been awesome, you know. And so I don't say that to take away from Christ. I take the I say that to say that, to glorify his name and that even in the hardship he has given me his grace, you know, and, you know, I mean it always. He's given me a grace, you know, as far as, advice to a founder about the Y thing, I'll go back to a piece of advice that a mentor gave me. Your y changes over time, right? But if you don't know what your y is in the beginning, you might want to rethink what you're doing. I clearly knew what my y was. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like my y was. I wanted to build something because I for I, because I love to build things. Yeah. My why was I knew I wanted to be a startup founders since my sophomore year in college. And that was just my motive in everything I did was to learn how to be a founder. Every job I took I felt like was building me up to this point, you know? And a lot of times I forgot that in the moment. Right. But then I would look back and think, alright, this is this is why I did this, this is why I was here. This is why I go in there. And that's what led me to this moment, you know, Neil, if you don't know your why, then you need to reevaluate your idea. You don't need to reevaluate what your actual desires, right? Because if you're struggling like I want, I don't really know why I'm doing this. Yeah, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. You know what I'm saying? If you do know your why, right, then pursue that with all of your heart. My mind and soul, right? Like, get after it, right? Follow that. Because that why I believe was if you're following the gospel, Jesus Christ, you know, even if you're not like, you know, God works with everybody and all in all circumstances, right? But we also know the adversary, right, can play some desires in our hearts. Yeah. Very easily. Right. And so you can make sure that desire is in line with the gospel of Christ. Right? If that is so, and the desire is there is been placed there by Christ for your, for your perfecting, for your growth, right, and to glorify his name. Right, and to glorify God's name. And God the Father, I should say. Right. And then over time, your why changes. I know my wife is going to change, right? It has to. Because eventually you're used to a point of view. You've been successful and in the worldly times, access to right and literally and growing the company and so on, so forth would try. I want to be successful in all of those ways, right. If you if your success is one of those ways, then your why probably it eventually will evolve or change or it just won't be sufficient anymore. Like for me, just having the desire to be sort of founder events is going to be like, well, I am the startup founder and I've done well and I've been successful, you know, you know, that's my prayer at least. And so if I get to that point and say, well, what is my new why buy my new lies to make this the world's leading, you know, company in this field or to like, you know, my secondary? Why? I shouldn't say my secondary, but my accompanying why is to build a company around the culture of Christ right around the around the values of Christianity, true Christianity, not not modernized Christianity that I think a lot of people, mistake for what true Christianity is. Right? So, if you don't know what your why is, reassess. If you do know what your why is, pursue it and know where the why came from, or at least identify. Make sure it's coming from the right place and then and then be ready for your why to evolve and change and to re motivate yourself, because motivation is a fleeting thing. Then that comes and it goes. And so you need to continuously, not motivate but be disciplined and knowing that motivation will come if you're disciplined here. Then I really like that makes a lot of sense. How different would you say? I mean, not notice I was, just on a personal note, how different would you say you approach goal setting? Then, like a, like I say, normal founder, but I'm saying from the world's perspective. Yeah. You know, sure. What they would stereotypically say is a normal founder. Yeah. Yeah. Like I see you are a unique a cellular founder, right? Yes. You're a founder. Yes. Like, how do you set your goals? Like making sure that they're aligned with Christ, like. Yeah. What does that even mean. Yeah. So as far as goal setting, you know, I think right now, at my heart I'm like, okay, are my goals in conflict with my discipleship. Right. And if they are, then the goals need to be adjusted. Right. You know, and then we need to figure out why it's in conflict with the disciples, why it's in conflict with the gospel. Right. What I'm called to be as a follower of Jesus Christ. Right. I don't feel right now any of my goals are in conflict with that, you know? And then, you know, which doesn't mean that I'm not saying I'm perfect. I just think, like, I mean, our goal is right now or just like, you know, to get the full market and to make sure our customers have a great experience of our product and get to additional funding, right, which, you know, in order to grow the business. And so we can, continue to glorify God's name. Right, like we don't have. We had a lot of goals. But, you know, I don't think as we don't have like all these micro goals are right now, they're very macro. You know. When you're creating this podcast, why did you choose the name Faithful founder? Because it encompasses everything I wanted to be. You know what I'm saying? Like guy. Yeah, I guess, and now I am a founder and I guess I am faithful as much as, like, you know, can be. Am I imperfection in my followers, right. And you know, you know, my fallen nature, you know what I'm saying? But it's also the things I want to continue to be. Yeah. Like, I want to continue to be faithful. I want to continue to be a founder. I don't want this thing to fail or fall or flop, you know what I'm saying? Like, I, you know, and and even after this, like, our goal, you know, we have lots of goals, right? But I don't want to just have a one time thing. I want to be I want to continue to be a serial startup founder. I this is what I love to do. You know, that's I think it's just a reminder of what I want to be like. Okay. Like, you know, and not like, not that I place my identity, my identity in that goal. I don't you have to you have to place your identity in Jesus, right? You place your identity in being a, you know, a child of God through acceptance of of his son. Right. And so that's where and I've struggled with that a lot. And, and I, I fall on that a lot. I might sound perfect in that. But anyways, I'm not. It's something that I need to be way better at. Right. But as far as like one of the things I want to be is I want to be a faithful founder. I want I want that to serve as a continuous reminder. And I also wanted to serve as an inspiration to people out there that, like your faith, should be at the forefront of everything that you do. I too many people compartmentalize their life, and to be honest with you, if you're putting your faith as a Christian, in a box and and it's not showing in all that you do, you're doing it wrong. You know what I'm saying? And so it's, it can be the same thing with anything like the podcast could have been called Ethical founder, moral founder, good founder and founder. Right. Like he could have been good, you know, ambitious founder, whatever it is. But the descriptor that I chose as a reminder and an inspiration is, hey, man, lead with the faith, right? Lead with a relationship with Christ, lead with your knowledge of the gospel. Right. Because I used to I used to use this metaphor all the time for metaphor, analogy, whatever, is that you imagine a campfire right in the rocks, you know, I know a real campfire. Put the rocks around, right? You light the fire and you go to pick up on those rocks on the fire. It's hot. You. Yeah. No one's gonna pick up one of those rocks, right? At least you should. I'm sure if they do have, you shouldn't pick up those rocks because they're hot because of fire, or the fire is the gospel, Jesus Christ, the fire is a relationship you have with Jesus. Right with the Savior, right with the Messiah and with God the Father. Right. And with the spirit. And it all encompassing you know it. That is your relationship in the rocks or the other fast. Your life is your marriage, your fatherhood, your you know, for me, you know, being a founder, you know, of being a member of the community, it's all the whatever, whatever other things you are. Right? The the gospel, Jesus Christ should be cheating everything else up. Right. And that for me is, I guess, it's a, it's a symbolism of that name, faithful founder, because the faithfulness is at the core, me being a founder at the core, me being everything, you know, at least that's what I at least that's what I wanted to be. My core. Right? I've, I, I'm really I've messed up a lot and and my I've got my mistakes, my sins and, my imperfections and my weaknesses, you know, you know, it's, you know, I'm ashamed of a lot of them. All of them. I am ashamed. Elections, alignment. I'm ashamed of, you know, more so than others, you know. And and so my hope, my prayer is that this will continue to be at the core of everything that I am. But for this good purpose, it'd be the core. Me being a founder and owner, an entrepreneur and, a partner, you know? So, yeah. I have another question to that. Come spirit up. No, the turn to turn. But what is that conviction? Should you even have it as a founder or should you being confident in everything that you do? I you mean, what is it like in. That conviction where you feel like you've stumbled and messed up a lot like that comes from a humble place. Yeah, yeah. Like, why do you have that? Like straight up. Why do you have that rather good. I think, I've always struggled with like self-confidence. It's on and and self-worth, you know. So I think there's a part of that that comes to an unhealthy place. Just that it's funny, man, because I've seen a lot of people say, like, Christianity makes people self-worth. I decrease, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because I've also heard a lot of people talk about, like, I've heard a lot of Christians say like, oh, I'm trash. I'm garbage. I'm the lowest of the low. I'm nothing. I'm like, none of those things are true right now. Like, I think it's good to recognize I am a sinner and I am perfect and I am broken. But that broken things being broken, it being imperfect and being, you know, and having our struggles and our pitfalls, man, doesn't make you worthless, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't make you trash or unlovable. It doesn't make you, you know, cast away. It doesn't do anything. You were you were saying that guys are saying now the gospel, Jesus Christ not saying that. As a matter of fact, the gospel Jesus Christ is saying the opposite. The gospel. Jesus Christ says, I loved you so much that I sent my only begotten son to take on the flesh of man from his throne and to come and to have no beauty. Behold him. Average, right. Nobody would know that this is literally the guy that you read about in Genesis. You know, to have him walk among you in sandals and a tunic, right, and dirt and be persecuted, be spit upon, right. Have his own followers believe him. Right. Have one of his own that he chose betray him. And then to I mean and then to go and have. When you read about the deaths of Jesus Christ, is that a mythical figure even really has no has no stone worth their salt? So Jesus Christ didn't exist, right? There's clearly a man named Jesus that what, you know, this earth. Right. But for the people that say, oh, you know, mythical figure or whatever, like you, you see all these other mythical figures in these like, heroes in these stories, these creatures and gods people worship. And none of them, if they die, it's like a hero's death, crucifixion. I mean, there's a reason that Paul says in the New Testament that the Greeks are confused by God himself being crucified because it was embarrassing, because it was it was the lowest of the low. It was supposed to humiliate who it was. Right that that that received that punishment. And so to go back, you have the God of all coming down and taking part willingly. No one that Christ said, no one takes my life. I give it freely. I lay it down. A greater love hath no man than this, and that he lay down his life for his friends. And so he took that punishment willingly. He. He received the lashings that I was supposed to receive, and he received the punishment that I'm supposed to receive. He carried his cross to go Gotha, and he was nailed to it, and he was mocked, and he was spit upon even there. And and you think Christianity teaches you that you're worthless, that you're trash, that you are, that you don't deserve love? That is the greatest form of love. And he did it because he loved you, you know what I'm saying? And so my contention comes from knowing that I am loved. I forget that every single day of my life that I am loved, and that in all of my sins and sin is a real anagram. And he said, we sin every day. And if you don't think sin is real and it's all just relative, like I said in the beginning, you're you need to just look in the mirror and like, we're not perfect or just not. And that's okay, because we're a lot, you know, I'd rather be loved than perfect. Yeah. I had anyways, that's where my conviction comes from because I know that I'm loved, that I know that the creator of all decided to do that for me right. And that God was willing to give up his only begotten son. The one, the the one that being that didn't deserve the punishment like that is the one that got it, you know. And so that's where my conviction comes from, is that I boast of myself, you know, I will boast of the love that I feel. I will boast of, my worth in God's eyes. Right. But I will not boast of myself, you know, and so I, I try to remember that that, I think there's a, I think there is a, a balance because you shouldn't be, putting yourself down. You shouldn't be hurting yourself mentally abusing yourself, you know, but remember your imperfections and and glory in them. Glory and and now as a into perfections. But be thankful for your imperfections because they, make it possible to be glorified in Jesus Christ. You know, because if you weren't imperfect, then you wouldn't have the choice. You know what I'm saying? Like, you would just be a robot and then you wouldn't be able to take part in the glory of Christ. Yeah. So I don't know if I'm making us double. I don't want to make any of the false cars, but that's just what I feel. So, yeah, I could be wrong, would I? I feel like that's, you know, for me, that's one of the messages of the gospel, you know? Yeah. Cool. Well thank you Jamie. Yeah. Peace.