Why Faith-Driven Entrepreneurs Win: Lessons on Business & Integrity – with Brad Ehrlich & Travis Perry

How Can Christian Founders Build Businesses That Honor God?

In this inspiring episode of The Faithful Founder Podcast, Jamie Cain is joined by entrepreneurs and investors Brad Ehrlich and Travis Perry to discuss faith, integrity, and the true measure of success in business.

Brad and Travis share their journeys as Christian founders—the struggles, the victories, and the lessons learned in building successful companies while staying rooted in their faith. They discuss the power of grit, why standing on biblical values matters in entrepreneurship, and how God opens doors when we align our work with His purpose.

This episode also explores the founding of HelpGhost—Jamie’s AI-driven customer service platform—and why Brad and Travis chose to invest in a mission-driven business built on Christian principles. Their conversation unpacks what it means to steward wealth well, prioritize family over ambition, and create businesses that glorify God.

If you’re a faith-driven founder seeking wisdom on ethical leadership, perseverance, and honoring God in your entrepreneurial journey, this episode is a must-listen!

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Connect with Brad Ehrlich & Travis Perry

🔗 Connect with Brad: quantumleapconsultinggroup.com
🏡 Core Building Company (Travis’s Business): www.corebuildingco.com

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Transcript

00:00:00:06 - 00:00:01:05
Brad
The stuff.

00:00:01:07 - 00:00:02:16
Travis
Becomes unimportant.

00:00:02:21 - 00:00:16:10
Brad
It's like the second you get something, you're like, oh yeah, I got it. Oh yeah, I got it. Yeah, I got it. What's what's the next thing? What's the next thing? And that game. Yeah. Game can, can never. It never.

00:00:16:10 - 00:00:21:23
Jamie
Ends. Faithfulness is at the core of me being a founder.

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Travis
Good business values.

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Brad
And ethics.

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Jamie
Comes.

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Travis
From the Bible.

00:00:26:09 - 00:00:31:07
Jamie
Meaning what? The relationship with Christ lead with your knowledge of the gospel.

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Brad
What is going on? Everybody? Welcome back to.

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Jamie
The show, the podcast.

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Brad
It's good to have everybody with us.

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Jamie
This is Jamie Cain. I am your host and the, founder of this podcast, along with help ghost. Today we're joined by Brad Erlich and Travis Perry. The two first investors in to help girls, but also, Christian founders themselves with a ton of experience and knowledge. And I first let me say this, I've known Travis for, like, ten years now.

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Jamie
I really it is ten years of 2014. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, going on 15 years. And I met Brad just recently. But before we even begin, I just want to say how incredibly grateful I am for both of these men because, number one, I've said this before, there's very few people in this world that I respect more than Travis.

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Jamie
I think I've told you that I'm. If I haven't told you that, I'm telling you now, it's getting real emotional in here. But, no, I, I really do mean that Travis has been somebody that I've always has. I met him, I've always looked up to now with him. But his family and how he goes about business, his life.

00:01:35:09 - 00:01:46:08
Jamie
And so I'm just really grateful to have him in my life. And and I view him now as a mentor. But, I'm a figure of what a man should be. So I appreciate your.

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Travis
Role, Jamie. Thank you.

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Jamie
That's very kind of you. And I mean that. And I'm just saying that because we're here. And then Brad Erlich, I, I don't I'm so sorry about that, but, I just met him recently, and through Travis and the relationship that we've been able to grow, I'm like, dang, I really want to be like Brad when I grow up, man.

00:02:03:13 - 00:02:04:05
Brad
I don't know.

00:02:04:06 - 00:02:24:12
Jamie
But he's been a wealth of knowledge and just, somebody that I've really needed in the story of my founder journey to lift me up because Brad is at random points, just randomly texting me and just being like, hey, I don't know how you're doing, but you can do this. You got this. And just honestly put more belief in me than I have in myself.

00:02:24:14 - 00:02:41:10
Jamie
And I've really needed that. I mean, a ton. And and you've been a tool of God, I believe just as Travis has. And so I'm incredibly grateful for both of you guys and, and not only being here, but being in my lives, you know, not just today or yesterday, but, you know, for as long as I have on this planet.

00:02:41:10 - 00:02:43:11
Jamie
I appreciate you all. So thank you.

00:02:43:13 - 00:02:55:00
Brad
Thank you, thank you, I want to I want to draw a line here. I've known Travis longer. As a matter of fact, I've known Travis. I celebrated, so he and I are brothers in law and brother.

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Travis
From another.

00:02:55:11 - 00:03:20:02
Brad
Mother. That's right. Definitely a different mother. Of. But the one of my first memories of Travis that that I can remember, I was living in Chicago and my wife, was living in Chicago at the well as well at the time. And we came out to see Travis here in Eagle, Idaho. And at the time when I came out here, Travis was just stepping out on his own as a as a home builder.

00:03:20:04 - 00:03:34:01
Brad
And, I remember him taking me to this field where he was building homes. And I turned to him and I said, you're building homes here. There's nothing here.

00:03:34:03 - 00:03:37:17
Travis
They were actually houses out of, like, real materials, not straw. They were like, yeah, I.

00:03:37:17 - 00:03:40:10
Brad
Mean, like, he isn't it isn't that old here.

00:03:40:15 - 00:03:43:01
Jamie
And or teepees out on a field. Yeah.

00:03:43:01 - 00:04:05:11
Brad
Come that morning, 20 years later, I'm living in the same subdivision that Travis was building, which is Eagle, Idaho, which is an exploding city escaping us from there. Yeah, yeah, outside of there. And one of my favorite early memories of Travis. So get this, this shows you a delta between us. He's like, hey, man, you want to go snowmobiling?

00:04:05:11 - 00:04:18:03
Brad
I'm like, yeah, I'll go. Snowmobiles are great. I'll pick you up at like 6 a.m.. I'm like, okay, so 6 a.m. rolls around and his truck's outside, big truck. And I get in the truck to go snowmobiling. He smelled.

00:04:18:03 - 00:04:18:18
Travis
Really pretty.

00:04:18:18 - 00:04:38:22
Brad
And Travis goes, it's dude, are you wearing Cologne? Are you wearing Cologne to go snowmobiling? And he thought it was the funniest thing ever. It took me around 20 years and moving to Idaho to realize just how funny that was, that I was wearing Cologne to go.

00:04:38:22 - 00:04:42:12
Travis
Look and smell and better by the day. Some of that two straw coil and gasoline. And you smelled.

00:04:42:12 - 00:05:05:09
Brad
The lawyer out on it. And I realized, I was not skilled at snowmobiling compared to Travis. So we've had a we've had a long relationship. And the nice thing with Travis and I's, I've been able to from the cheap seats, be able to watch Travis grow his company, grow in his faith, grow in his community. And, is one of the people that I really, really look up to.

00:05:05:11 - 00:05:09:04
Travis
Thank you. Bro. Yeah, this is about to help ghost, by the way. Yeah.

00:05:09:04 - 00:05:12:19
Jamie
Well, kinda. You know, it's about the purpose behind. Yeah, it.

00:05:12:19 - 00:05:31:17
Travis
Is a purpose, but I thank you both for the accolades. And, Brad, you're one of the greatest men. I mean, honestly, you're a good, good man. And, Jamie, we have known each other a long time, no doubt. And, one of the reasons I jumped in with you. Because who you are and who. You know, who I knew Jamie Kane was.

00:05:31:19 - 00:05:52:03
Travis
And if you go back, it's. I kind of is funny because this is like, the third time we've kind of sat down. We've had lunches together. You know, you look, you're looking maybe for some direction, some insight. We did a little podcast to my house, probably years, six years ago or so. Kind of like, you know, just you're trying to find your, you know, your your path.

00:05:52:07 - 00:06:03:12
Travis
Yeah. And it's interesting. You know, now, if I look back on all these different conversations we had over the years, like your path, you found it. And I'm super excited.

00:06:03:12 - 00:06:21:20
Jamie
For you guys, man. Know that is is true. I, I used to have another podcast way back in the day that was just interviewing other successful people because I, I was trying to figure out I really that podcast, I was, I was trying to figure out how I could be successful. And one of the first people I thought I was actually, he was the first interview I ever did with Travis.

00:06:21:20 - 00:06:40:18
Jamie
I'm like, it was pretty obvious. I ended up getting some other really cool people on there, but Travis has been there. Yeah, like I said, like we've had like like you said, we've had those lunches and I've gone over your house and just talk about business and life and all. All of those things because, you know, I've always had this, desire to be, you know, successful.

00:06:40:18 - 00:07:02:19
Jamie
Right. And, and in more ways than one and, Travis has always made the time for me, which has been phenomenal, man. Like, I've learned so many life lessons from him, you know, and I think back about I'm like, guy. I really believe that in that saying that, you know, we stand on the shoulders of giants right at the end of the day, like, that is how we get to where we want to be.

00:07:03:00 - 00:07:23:15
Jamie
And everything that I've learned and only, you know, and everything I'm doing now comes from learning from people I Travis learning from people I Brad like taking my dad's advice finally, you know and and and actually listening to him. And so he'll be so happy to hear that. Yeah, exactly. I'm actually going to not tell him about this podcast episode, but, and is anyone with Brad?

00:07:23:15 - 00:07:39:02
Jamie
I mean, like I said, I mean, since, like, the star even, I mean, awesome, man. Like you. Just every time I've needed you, you've been there, you know? So I appreciate both you on the journey has been fun, you know, so. But, you know, I wanted to sit down with these two gentlemen today to talk about a couple different things.

00:07:39:02 - 00:08:00:06
Jamie
One, your experience as Christian founders and why putting your faith first and foremost was so, you know, if you believe it was so instrumental in your success and important to your success, right? And then you always talk about, like why you invested in to help ghost and those sorts of things. Maybe we'll start there because that seems like a natural flow.

00:08:00:08 - 00:08:25:06
Jamie
And there was talk we would have, you know, go, you know, where the conversation takes us. I feel really good about that. But so I guess first question is why I came to you. So let me give you a little background. I was working for a company, that I resigned from because of ethical moral issues, and I went to travel to tell about that because a couple weeks prior, I guess it was like a couple months prior, Travis had told me, you got to be the hedgehog.

00:08:25:08 - 00:08:25:22
Jamie
You remember that?

00:08:26:00 - 00:08:27:20
Travis
I remember, yeah. Remember I made you buy one?

00:08:27:20 - 00:08:33:11
Jamie
Yeah, yeah, he made me. He's like, you got to go and not buy a real hedgehog. Maybe real hedge. I was.

00:08:33:11 - 00:08:36:17
Travis
I was thinking real hedgehog. But you bought the stuffed one and I was like.

00:08:36:19 - 00:08:53:18
Jamie
It's actually a meme hedgehog. It's from like a collectible company, but it's, Anyways. But he told me the story about the head. It was a hedgehog in the fox. It's right. Right. That's right. And he's like, you need to be the hedgehog, you know, burrow down and just get in the dirt and dig and dig and dig and just, you know, figure out your way and just don't quit and make yourself.

00:08:53:18 - 00:08:57:02
Jamie
I remember you saying, make yourself irreplaceable, right? Right.

00:08:57:03 - 00:08:59:08
Travis
Then you put your employer in a very uncomfortable.

00:08:59:08 - 00:09:24:11
Jamie
Position, right? And so I said, okay, you know, and I feel like in my career I had been successful. It wasn't like I had. But to Travis's point, I had been so, I guess, like, spread out really, you know, because I was trying to do the podcast off and my actual job and then I had done like a bunch of e-commerce stuff, like I was just, you know, I just want to get out of the 9 to 5 and do me, I guess, is probably the best way to put it.

00:09:24:11 - 00:09:47:12
Jamie
And Travis just said, focus on this, build your opportunity. And then he's like, I never forget this. He said, what you're looking for is options. And I said, okay, that's why I got to find his options. And I know if I do this, the options will come. So I did exactly what Travis did. I freaking produced man. You know, and then long story short, is some stuff came out and I didn't feel like it was appropriate for me to stay.

00:09:47:14 - 00:10:07:05
Jamie
So I left that company and I went to Travis. I said, hey, man, I was the hedgehog, but I couldn't be the hedgehog there anymore, you know? And, and and but I told Travis of what I had done, and and what's funny is after I left, they didn't replace me. You know it. The numbers were not the same.

00:10:07:05 - 00:10:21:08
Jamie
After I left. I produced a lot of revenue for that company. And and, anyway, so I sat down with Travis. I told him everything about. And I said, you know, I kind of had this idea. I've had it for a while, but I don't know how to do it at all. How to get started on how to get funding.

00:10:21:08 - 00:10:44:21
Jamie
I just I didn't go to him for money. I went to him for advice. Just like, dude, you're successful and you're the man I want to be. Like, how do I do this? And, that opened the door to being, oh, so are the open the door to meeting Brad, you know, and so I guess we can kind of pick up from there now that we have the backstory, you know, first things first.

00:10:44:22 - 00:10:52:23
Jamie
Yeah. You know, why bring Brad in? Like, what was it about? Well, we had discussed why why lupine and.

00:10:53:01 - 00:11:18:15
Travis
Well, I think there's there were several reasons. So I feel like my my skill set, my experience is valuable. And Brad's is different and just as valuable. And what you were contemplating on, on running and sprinting after felt like I, you know, and there's only so many hours of the day and figured if, if we, you know, and it's always like trios always work good.

00:11:18:15 - 00:11:44:23
Travis
I think because you and I can bounce stuff off each other. However, then there's always another insight that third person to have that other perspective. I think Brad's ability to grow in scale, are like mine, but different. He's done it in a different way than I have. So I think all of those things I was just looking at, you know, like, what other piece of the puzzle could I help Jamie plug in?

00:11:45:01 - 00:12:10:21
Travis
Because as I've built my my team, that's. I'm. It's like, if you imagine a puzzle and you're trying to find those pieces, it's really important to have the right one. So, Brad, Brad's ability to scale and and understanding all of those things, not to mention, he's extremely intelligent individual, and he has a motor. And I'm really drawn to people like that, to guys that just go, go, go like the Energizer bunny.

00:12:11:02 - 00:12:13:09
Travis
I don't know why. I just am drawn to that.

00:12:13:11 - 00:12:15:23
Brad
Because you are one. Yeah, you are one.

00:12:16:01 - 00:12:34:12
Travis
Well, but people say that I don't know. So when you came to me, Jamie, there was, first I, I felt that you had you had really taken my advice seriously when we had that lunch, and I was like, you got to quit being so cute. And you're a, you know, finger in this pie and a finger in that pie.

00:12:34:12 - 00:12:55:01
Travis
And I said, you're just you're not you're not ever going to get anywhere with that approach in my opinion. Yeah, maybe that worked for some people in my in my experience and the people that I have watched be very, very successful. That's not how they operated. Right. So I believe in becoming an expert in your craft. And so when you kind of we left that meeting like, okay, I'll do it.

00:12:55:07 - 00:13:15:23
Travis
And you went and did it. And that was I was impressed because whether you believe me or not, you still had some faith and you kind of put your head down and you burrowed in and I said, you need to make your you need to make your yourself like, irreplaceable. I want all of our employees and team members at Core Building Company to make it impossible for them to.

00:13:16:00 - 00:13:36:21
Travis
I don't want them to leave, you know. I want them to make it to be a instrumental piece of our our team to where I just can't have them leave. Right. That's what I want for them. Yeah. So you did that then when you're, you didn't initially come for to me for funding or capital revenue. No. Capital injection.

00:13:36:21 - 00:13:59:22
Travis
It was just like, this is what I've been thinking. And I had kind of thought about some of those things that we deal with on a customer service level, and it's like, well, that's actually a brilliant idea. I don't understand or pretend to understand the tech world. Okay? I'm a dude. I'm just a framer, okay? I, I can frame and I did some concrete.

00:14:00:00 - 00:14:17:14
Travis
I cut my teeth in the construction field from a very young age. But the the tech world, I didn't know. But I trust that you knew it because you just came out of it and you explained kind of your situation, what you had witnessed, you know, and where it had gone wrong and how you thought you you had a solution for that.

00:14:17:16 - 00:14:41:13
Travis
And then all of a sudden you created what for yourself. Jamie. Options, options and an opportunity, right? You saw a need and you felt like you could fit. You could, you could, you could basically solve that need. Then that's where I thought about Brad. Okay. So because I don't know the tech world, it's not like Brad's an expert in tech, but he's he is has another level of understanding that I don't.

00:14:41:15 - 00:15:08:05
Travis
And also when you needed help, if I were out of town or just tied up, there was another another guy we could kind of go to for for support. So that's kind of where that kind of conversation started. And and then obviously once we had those conversations and you came back and just said, well, hey, as a matter of fact, I think I am going to do this and I would need some money and we could talk about that if you want to keep going.

00:15:08:05 - 00:15:08:12
Travis
Yeah.

00:15:08:15 - 00:15:19:18
Jamie
Well, I that was you know, we had met a couple of times in your office and, and I just and I remember explicit they saying I am not here for money because one of my.

00:15:20:00 - 00:15:23:16
Travis
I don't understand when they say that doesn't mean they're looking for money.

00:15:23:16 - 00:15:25:17
Brad
I don't know, I don't know.

00:15:25:19 - 00:15:26:10
Jamie
Well, it's not.

00:15:26:10 - 00:15:27:11
Brad
Good about that, is it.

00:15:27:11 - 00:15:43:03
Jamie
Sounds like the at the top. It's like when a robot says it's not a robot, it's it's a robot, you know. Yeah, but I like I'm so conscious, like, because of my background sales, any time my family came to me for a product that I was selling or a service like I would, I would refer them out to another salesperson just because I was.

00:15:43:03 - 00:16:00:17
Jamie
So I don't know what it is in me, but I just don't want to be the guy that sells it, his family and friends. Right? And so I went to Travis. I said, look, first thing not here for money, here for advice. You know what I'm saying? And I meant that. And Travis was like, no. Like he kept coming back to it and say, well, you can get both here, you know?

00:16:00:17 - 00:16:06:23
Jamie
And he's like, let's, you know, bring Brad. And so we met a couple of times because the first time was just reporting on the hedgehog thing.

00:16:06:23 - 00:16:11:12
Travis
Right. And it wasn't on that. I love the story because I mean, like, the Hedgehog story is a great story.

00:16:11:12 - 00:16:16:20
Jamie
It is a great it's a great story. I love telling it a couple of times and in team meetings that I lead, you know.

00:16:16:21 - 00:16:21:00
Brad
You might have to tell this story because people don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Let's go.

00:16:21:00 - 00:16:22:10
Jamie
Travis to draft. How are you.

00:16:22:10 - 00:16:24:13
Travis
Going to tell her story? Yeah, this is.

00:16:24:15 - 00:16:26:02
Jamie
It's a it's a it's a.

00:16:26:02 - 00:16:55:23
Travis
Fable. Yeah. It's it's it's so there's a book called Good to Great that I would recommend if you haven't read it, read it. If you're having a hard time finding a way to read it, listen to it. But it, it talks about there's a hedgehog and a fox and the fox is always what. It's always sly looking for the easy pick, you know, doesn't want to really have to work super hard just looking for the easy stuff and always just kind of dodging around being Sly and the hedgehog.

00:16:56:01 - 00:17:15:17
Travis
He just doesn't operate that way. He just has his head down. His his goals and tasks are extremely simple. But yet he always eventually kind of gets where he wants to go, right? He's not he's not distracted chasing so many shiny things. And I think we all kind of I did that early in my career, like, oh, I can do a little this and a little bit of that.

00:17:15:17 - 00:17:38:16
Travis
And people would come to me and, you know, you could go sell, you could sell magic grape juice from Alaska, make, you know, it's just a it's funny, all the things that come at us, you know, and once I really kind of understood where I wanted to go, I completely if somebody would have came to me with another option, aside from real estate development and building, I just I wouldn't engage.

00:17:38:18 - 00:18:00:20
Travis
I just didn't want to because I was I was hyper focused and I, I understood where what God had blessed me with the mind that I had, the experience that I had, what I was good at, what I wasn't good at. And so I just wanted to basically take that skill set, those talents that I had been blessed with from God and and really master those.

00:18:00:22 - 00:18:19:04
Travis
Right? Because that's really what we should be doing, is we all have talents. We all have been blessed with those things, and it's a matter of us maximizing those. And and so the hedgehog, I think, is kind of that where you just you focus, you don't get distracted. You're not trying to be sly and sneaky and and little little tricks here and a little bit of that there.

00:18:19:04 - 00:18:39:03
Travis
No, you just burrow in and you just go. And when you read that book, it, it shares a lot of examples of companies that had the hedgehog effect and other companies that had this little, sly fox thing and the sly foxes, they always fall off. They don't ever really they don't really ever achieve the long term standing success.

00:18:39:05 - 00:18:57:01
Jamie
That was a fable. Yeah. And that's what explain that to me. And I remember, like, saying I went home and to my wife, I was like, I'm going to be a hedgehog. And she's like, what? You know? And I'm like, no, no, no, just listen to me. Yeah. And, and I explained to her, you know, what Travis had told me.

00:18:57:01 - 00:18:59:03
Jamie
And because it really resonated like one is because.

00:18:59:03 - 00:18:59:16
Travis
I thought what I.

00:18:59:16 - 00:19:32:08
Jamie
Was chasing was, you know, freedom or, you know, is the financial stability or comfort or. I didn't really know. I was always had this drive. Like, I just and I just am not, built to be at the bottom of the totem pole, I guess. And there's nothing wrong with that. But for me, I'm like, there's just that inner fire of I got a I got these are the more, you know, with this time that I have, you know, and anyways, so when I was, when I got home and, and Travis told me about that and the options, they really I mean, obviously I still clearly remember that and, and I just tell my

00:19:32:08 - 00:19:52:08
Jamie
wife I got to be a hedgehog and, and, just went to work and said, I'm going to be the best frickin thing this company has ever seen, you know, and, just produced and, what was, funny about that was I, I mean, I'm remembering now, I did have things like ideas pop up because I always have ideas, you know, and people approached me saying, hey, you could do this in the sun.

00:19:52:08 - 00:20:09:19
Jamie
I'm like, nope, I'm doing this, and this is all I'm doing, you know? And really at first and really. But I remember coming to Travis and it kind of bums me out because I was like, I did do that. I was a hedgehog. I became irreplaceable, and because I stood on moral ground like I had to leave, you know, I was like, was that a waste?

00:20:09:19 - 00:20:12:21
Jamie
Was that like, what was that? You know, because you start questioning those things. Yeah.

00:20:12:23 - 00:20:33:18
Travis
But look, look how organically that happened. Yeah, but that's great because then that is what gave you the idea. Yes. Right. Yeah. That's where Help Go was originated was from that pain point like you put your head you put your head down, you went to work. And then watching that customer service I like fall off and really struggle.

00:20:33:18 - 00:20:39:12
Travis
Then all of a sudden here I was. Here you go. Right. So yeah you created options.

00:20:39:12 - 00:21:00:23
Brad
Yes. And I'd, I'd even say on top of that, standing on your moral ground, standing on your beliefs instead of just continuously, because it could have been very easy for you to be like, I'm just going to ignore this thing that that doesn't align with my values, doesn't, doesn't align with my Christianity at all. You could have ignored that, right?

00:21:00:23 - 00:21:14:18
Brad
Oh, yeah. But that opportunity, same thing with that chaos. Because because I think because I think that you stood on your moral ground. That's when your rocket really started to get lit. And that's when that's when the inspiration came to you, you know.

00:21:14:18 - 00:21:42:07
Jamie
Org to clarify, I had the idea before that last company, but it was there where I was like, it became feasible, right? It's like I've experienced enough places, not not the moral grounds but the or the moral or ethical issues, but the customer service part of it, for sure. At every company I have a good nap, you know, and then I had and then it kind of became a thing of, you know, well, this company could use it every day, twice on Sunday kind of thing.

00:21:42:07 - 00:22:01:01
Jamie
Yeah. And so anyways, I went to, I went to drivers and said, you know, you know what he had. Well we had already caught up on what it well we've already discussed and and it became very evident like this is what I needed to do. Like this was I couldn't get away from it. I couldn't stop thinking about it.

00:22:01:01 - 00:22:17:15
Jamie
Like I went to Travis. I was just kind of bounce ideas off of, like, I don't know how to approach this. I want to create this, but I don't know how. I know I need money, you know, and I know how to get money. Like, on paper, I know how to get money, but I don't know where that is kind of thing.

00:22:17:17 - 00:22:22:08
Jamie
And then Travis as well, he's like, I have money. I'll never get that either. You literally said it like that. Like.

00:22:22:10 - 00:22:24:15
Brad
Yeah, there's, Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

00:22:24:15 - 00:22:38:18
Jamie
Just pulled out a gold bar and puts it on the table, but I, and I was like, yeah, well, that's not why I'm here. I was like, no, but I do. He's like a the fact still stands if I have the money. And he was like, and I also have connections, I think that could help you speaking of Brad and so but okay.

00:22:38:18 - 00:22:39:11
Jamie
So I feel like we've.

00:22:39:11 - 00:22:40:11
Brad
Caught up a.

00:22:40:11 - 00:22:58:23
Jamie
Lot on that. So next thing I know is, is Travis had a lunch for Brad, and I need the friendliest giant I've ever met in my life. You know, because Brad is very tall and I am very not. And so. And Brad walks in and like. And he's got, like, all this energy and all this like a me.

00:22:58:23 - 00:23:31:13
Jamie
It's like it's like a, like a bit of a sunshine just comes shining in the restaurant, you know, and I just automatically feel like uplifted about, like being around him. No job. That's how I felt. But then secondly was, oh, this guy's like Travis wasn't joking. This dude knows what he's talking about. He's incredibly intelligent and he knows business because he came with his pad, his, his, you know, notepad and was just cranking on these notes and having these ideas and, and what I loved about it was he moved as fast as me and Travis did, because in all of our conversations, it's kind of like it just happened so quickly.

00:23:31:13 - 00:23:56:13
Jamie
There's no time to dwell. Let's just discuss it. And it's a point. Move on. Right. And that's all Brad was, which really just like, excited me and I knew I haven't told this before to you or to Travis, but I when I walked out of there, I talked to, Shawn, you know, one of our co-founder. As I said, I was like, I don't know how this is gonna work out, but I really want Brad on our team, you know?

00:23:56:14 - 00:24:05:05
Jamie
And I don't know if it's investment or whatever, but I want Brad to be a part of us, you know? And so anyways, so from your perspective, you've gotten invited to this launch, you know. Yeah.

00:24:05:05 - 00:24:26:14
Brad
So Travis Travis calls me up and says, Brad, there's an opportunity. I really want you to take a look at. And I said, okay, because Travis doesn't ask those things very often. And when he does, I'm selective. You're very selective. Yeah. It's not like Travis is like, hey, I got something like, I'll, I'll bust in into Travis is awesome.

00:24:26:14 - 00:24:31:04
Brad
Be like, hey, Trav, what do you think about this or this or this? He's like, no.

00:24:31:06 - 00:24:32:08
Travis
We've had this conversation.

00:24:32:08 - 00:24:53:16
Brad
We've had those conversations. Right? You know, because I have, I have ideas, and I want to take them to Travis to see what he thinks about it. But he invited me to the meeting, and I really didn't know what I was walking into. I don't a technology, a high tech stuff is not. But not what I've been involved with in my life.

00:24:53:16 - 00:25:03:11
Brad
But I sat down at the meeting, and the first thing I noticed was you, Jamie. And what I noticed about you is that you had a lion's, not.

00:25:03:11 - 00:25:04:03
Jamie
Sheep.

00:25:04:08 - 00:25:22:13
Brad
Hat tip, right. So immediately, I know the person who puts on that hat is not afraid and is courageous and probably has eyes to see. The next thing I saw was your Michael Jordan, necklace. The Air Jordan doing the dunk, is that it? It was.

00:25:22:13 - 00:25:23:16
Jamie
Yeah, it was a hoodie. Yeah.

00:25:23:16 - 00:25:39:22
Brad
Or the hoodie? It was a hoodie. Hoodie? And I'm like, all right. So this guy wants to be he, he respects people who are top of top of class, top of game and elite, like in their performance. And there is one other thing that you were wearing and I can't remember what it was.

00:25:39:22 - 00:25:42:01
Jamie
Jordan is that go by the way friend? Yeah, I was.

00:25:42:01 - 00:25:43:00
Brad
Going to say as, as.

00:25:43:00 - 00:25:45:00
Travis
I discussion over I lived in.

00:25:45:00 - 00:25:47:17
Brad
Chicago during the night. Yes he was.

00:25:47:17 - 00:25:48:14
Jamie
Jordan's the go.

00:25:48:18 - 00:26:16:13
Brad
So and then I heard you start to speak, and I heard from you that you served you also served on a mission and that you were the top salesperson in a tech company. We'll call brand X, and you had a vision. And then when I heard your vision and first when he's like, yeah, it's SAS, SAS, SAS, I'm like, what the hell is what is that?

00:26:16:13 - 00:26:17:00
Brad
I'm like.

00:26:17:00 - 00:26:19:00
Travis
I had to Google it.

00:26:19:02 - 00:26:26:13
Brad
But I mean, I've used software as I've talked about, like, and I started naming off the products I've used, but that's how far.

00:26:26:13 - 00:26:27:06
Jamie
Outside.

00:26:27:06 - 00:26:52:09
Brad
The lingo I was. But when I heard your value proposition, I was really excited. The only thing that caused me a little bit of apprehension was I, because I've. Yeah, it's brand new. And, you know, I read articles. Is it sentient? Is it not? What is it? I have no idea. I'm in the cheap seats. And, you know, I hadn't even I had not ever, at that point in time, ever actually utilized.

00:26:52:09 - 00:27:26:04
Brad
I. But Pandora's box has already opened with I it's it's already out there. And when I understood not only from what Travis had said, but what you were saying and about your beliefs and who you are. I thought no better person to invest in in this space, because you have a history of integrity and you have a history of ethics, and you have a history of experience in this field, and you wanted to make a change.

00:27:26:10 - 00:27:35:17
Brad
And your idea was amazing. So it took a little hemming and hawing. And originally my investment was not going to be as much as it was today.

00:27:35:19 - 00:27:37:14
Travis
But after I got, I got him there for you.

00:27:37:14 - 00:27:55:09
Brad
You got him? Yeah, he got me up there. I said, okay, we'll do this much to start with. But after interacting with you and getting to know you better the next time, Travis is like, hey, you know what? I'm like, yeah, I'm in, I'm in that. But where are you? At the check. So that's fine. And that's the reason why.

00:27:55:09 - 00:28:27:13
Brad
And I think what you're doing and starting even in a place like, like this and just speaking about your faith and about your values and using that as a foundation to build a company in this sector, it hasn't been done before. And I think it's amazing and I think it's something that's needed. I read an article just a couple days ago that Oprah Winfrey and Sam Altman and somebody else are going to have a conference to talk about, you know, putting guidelines or rules on AI right now.

00:28:27:15 - 00:28:54:15
Brad
And instead of putting rules on it, I like the idea of starting a company where those values are already there. You don't need to put. And I guess there's someone's going to have to do it. Yeah, of course there's a universe and put parameters on it. Right. But to be like, no, no, no, forget that we're going to start from seeding this thing from the time we put the seed into the earth and we cover it up and water it and pray for it to grow from the genesis, from the beginning.

00:28:54:21 - 00:29:29:13
Brad
It's a company that's built with with ethics and morals and ones that are time tested and everlastingly true. And that that to me, makes me so excited for what ghost is going to do, because not only is it going to help businesses and you'll get into talking about the how it's going to work and why it's going to work, and why every company is going to be lining up and trying to get to you to get this to to buy this because of what it will do for the, for the business.

00:29:29:15 - 00:29:54:10
Brad
But at the same time, on the flip side, you have a business that's growing with those with with those values and that is tremendous that it's it truly is tremendous. And people can feel good. They can feel good about investing in it. You know, I, I am not a good investor in the world because I want to invest in something that I don't know who's running it.

00:29:54:11 - 00:30:20:08
Brad
I don't know their values and what they believe because my money, my money is an extension of my own personal labor. Right? So if I give it to somebody and they do unscrupulous things in the world or things that are morally wrong, even the brand that you worked for, right. I wouldn't want my money going for that. So in this and in you, it was, it was an it was an easy it wasn't an easy check.

00:30:20:11 - 00:30:23:18
Brad
Right. But it was a, it was an easy check to write. It really was.

00:30:23:18 - 00:30:51:10
Jamie
I appreciate that. No, I was going to go back to the, I think for a second to you know, I it is its value system is based off of the value system of the person I created it. Right. And so when you look at, you know, some companies we won't really go too in-depth with this. But if you look at some companies that have created their own, you know, models and it does things that are, you know, less than fantastic, right?

00:30:51:10 - 00:31:07:15
Jamie
Like here, you know, I don't know how to really say just things that you're like, that's, you know, not great. Well, we gotta look at who created it. What is their value system? What is their. Because it is just an a mirror or an extension. The person that created that model. Right. And so, you know what we're doing.

00:31:07:15 - 00:31:17:07
Jamie
It's funny because in in creating health ghost and, and creating our model and our AI and everything kind of goes along with that. I'm trying to use layman's terms, of course.

00:31:17:07 - 00:31:18:16
Brad
For people like me.

00:31:18:20 - 00:31:37:15
Jamie
You know. Yeah. I'm not I'm not trying to go to and down to that. But a big part of it was like, you know, when you're crafting your persona, for instance, and how you want the AI to appear and act and talk like, well, our persona, we we instilled Christian values into it, you know, honesty, integrity, you know, always, always searching to do the right thing.

00:31:37:15 - 00:31:58:23
Jamie
Right? Those treating people with respect, like those, those are like, those are huge pillars in the persona that we had built for the AI model and and help ghost. Right. So, so I feel really confident about our model because of that. To kind of piggyback off of what Brad said, you know, it's it's once again how ghost is purpose built or does that purpose?

00:31:58:23 - 00:32:21:15
Jamie
Purpose is built to help sales and tech companies deliver exceptional customer service for their clientele or I, which I believe for a business standpoint, as you guys at own business, I think the way that you show your customers appreciation is by taking care of them when they're in taken care of, right? Yeah. And so, but Travis, obviously, you, you know, you decided to invest as well.

00:32:21:15 - 00:32:29:19
Jamie
You didn't just bring Brad to the table. You said, I want to be a part of this too, right? What was your reasoning behind that?

00:32:29:21 - 00:32:49:18
Travis
Okay, well, there was obviously there's more than one. I mean, sure, you can't make a decision on that based on just one thought, or going through, you know, not a checks and balances. So when it was, I guess, remind everybody we've known each other a long time, but at this point. Right. You served a mission as a young man.

00:32:49:18 - 00:33:10:03
Travis
Where? My home, you know, a lot. Having dinner with my family. My sons came to know you and really appreciate you. You a good influence? You moved. You moved to Eagle, Idaho after you realized, like. Okay, well, life is serious now. I'm, you know, all these things, and this is a great place to be. Yeah.

00:33:10:05 - 00:33:17:23
Travis
And raise my family here. And throughout the years, we talked about you and I getting together over a lot of different conversations.

00:33:18:01 - 00:33:22:15
Jamie
Not by all of them. Business. That all there have been, or but, there's been plenty. Yeah.

00:33:22:15 - 00:33:41:18
Travis
Outside of that. Yeah. I mean, heck, even, you know, how's that for a couple times to a wife? Good night. Could go scared. So. No, we we had a lot of good talks. Right. And so I when I realized that there was a need there financially too, because there was a, there was a, there was a capital injection that you needed to get going.

00:33:41:18 - 00:33:43:19
Jamie
Yeah.

00:33:43:21 - 00:34:11:18
Travis
I would be remiss to not, you know, I guess be being totally honest. I thought back on all the all the men, all the great men in my life who have helped me. I am not here today in the position I am, financially, without people kind of taking a chance, right. And helping me so and I, I always prayed, I always pray for opportunities to help.

00:34:11:18 - 00:34:36:08
Travis
Right. Like, I love opportunities to come my way and help and and the the. You can pray about it, but then you have to act on it. And if you don't act on it and I don't feel like God trust you the next time, because if he's going to put put those things in place and he's going to have people cross your path and need your help, and then you don't act on it, then I don't feel like there's a trust there that God has with you to be able to do that.

00:34:36:10 - 00:35:03:05
Travis
So I trusted you. There's, there's there's a word, a four letter word that is very, very important to me. It's grit. I am not a very I don't consider myself a very smart man, but I have had grit. And you had grit. So that was another thing that I felt like I could trust you it because I know that you would not allow yourself to fail.

00:35:03:07 - 00:35:31:15
Travis
I had a lot of those experiences throughout my career where I just refused. I refused to quit. I refused to fail, even from a young, young boy. Right? Just all the things my life experiences and the things that, what happened, you know, things that I had to go through trials. Greg. Greg got me there. And so that's something that, I know you have and that that can overcome a great can overcome a lot of things.

00:35:31:15 - 00:35:50:02
Travis
You don't have to be the smartest guy in the room if you have if you have grit, if you're going to outwork the guy and the next guy in the next guy, you'll you'll find the success you're after. And I also felt like you had really you'd really kind of taken your path and your journey on finding where you wanted to go.

00:35:50:02 - 00:36:16:15
Travis
Right? Because there's, another good book by Robert Green called Mastery. And it's about basically the apprenticeship kind of, of life. And it's not just a quick, easy fix. It's not today. It's not like I have to have it now. And you'd been through the trenches a little bit. You tried a bunch of different things, and I felt like, you know what, I think Jamie finally found his path, and, I needed to help you, because I've had a lot of people helped me, and I felt like it was time.

00:36:16:17 - 00:36:25:09
Travis
And you were ready, and you had a great idea. And you're at a point in your life where you were just. You were ready to go. I could just tell till, like. Sam. Yeah.

00:36:25:11 - 00:36:29:16
Jamie
That's, Yeah, I ever I was definitely ready to go.

00:36:29:16 - 00:36:30:15
Travis
Yeah, yeah, it's.

00:36:30:15 - 00:37:04:22
Jamie
It's own the give you inside, man. It it did. I had talked to my wife and I just said, I was just like, I, I, you know, I, I quit my job without having anything lined up because I felt like, you know, I had prayed, to God and just said, I can't keep doing this, but I also, you know, it gives me emotional thinking about because I got I got two young kids and I got my wife I got to take care of, like, but I know the values and I know what you've commanded me to do.

00:37:05:00 - 00:37:12:05
Jamie
So I just tell me what I need to do and became even in the clear that I was supposed to resign and I didn't have a job lined up.

00:37:12:05 - 00:37:14:04
Travis
Nothing right.

00:37:14:06 - 00:37:26:12
Jamie
I was just like I told Ashley and we we pray together, or we would pray this husband and wife and and it was very clear to her as well. And I just said, all right, you know, that's it. So that's what I did, you know. And,

00:37:26:14 - 00:37:28:07
Brad
And so we, we took some time.

00:37:28:07 - 00:37:42:14
Jamie
And had conversations with you, obviously just outside of business, just life and stuff and other mentors. I have and, and, and, and just said, we're going to figure this out. The Lord will show us the way. And I had this idea, but I didn't think it was going to turn. And, I was like, I'll get another job.

00:37:42:14 - 00:38:03:00
Jamie
Then I'll work on another side and yada, yada yada, you know, and we'll build it up slowly. And I was, you know, and I was praying and I was applying to all these jobs. And with this resume that I feel like because, look, I'm not the best in the world by any means. I'm not. But I feel like I've proven myself at every company I've been to, you know, and I wasn't get any calls.

00:38:03:00 - 00:38:05:20
Jamie
I wasn't getting any secondary requests. Nothing. Nothing like what?

00:38:05:20 - 00:38:07:20
Brad
It's on. And you're a top sales performer.

00:38:07:20 - 00:38:08:11
Jamie
Yes. Yeah.

00:38:08:17 - 00:38:13:14
Brad
You're a so when you say I'm not that good. You've been top sales performer in the. Yeah I read up but it was in time.

00:38:13:14 - 00:38:33:18
Jamie
That I never won. But dozen times where the number ten not so okay. Or, you know, lower on the totem pole in the top 5% or whatever, but like at bigger companies. But I, you know, like I said, I don't think I could compete with top of the class salespeople, you know, they've been doing for 30 years. But I think I can hold my own, you know, and with that being said, I'm like, I'm not getting any.

00:38:33:20 - 00:38:54:09
Jamie
I, I told Ashley, my wife, I'm like feeling real stressed right now and, you know, and, long story short, is, you know, we decided to launch hell, go through everything and, and, work on it and with the Travis and Campbell and we obviously had negotiations probably about two months or so, and we got the money and then we got we had everything lined up.

00:38:54:09 - 00:39:10:04
Jamie
We were just waiting on injection of cash. When I got to the point, I told Brad this, I'm like, dude, I was I to go take out a bank loan. I'm like, we've got to start, you know? And, and I understood where were you guys were coming from. But for me, I'm like, we've got it. We've got a role on this thing, you know?

00:39:10:05 - 00:39:29:13
Jamie
And so finally I said a prayer to the Lord. I said, about this, about getting, you know, the starting help goes, I don't know what's going on. But I know if you want this to happen, you will open the doors in two days. Later, I got a phone call from Travis saying that y'all are ready to go and that was it, right?

00:39:29:13 - 00:39:46:23
Jamie
And so fast forward, I'm like, okay, well, we're going to get a job because I can do this full time, get, you know, and and so I'm praying and praying and praying and I'm not getting any answers. And one I just said, you know, Lord, like I was praying with my wife, I said, Lord, you know, give me something.

00:39:46:23 - 00:40:09:08
Jamie
Just be, you know, soon or in your time or whatever. I just need to know, like, I'm going to be okay. My family's going to be okay. More importantly, you know, and Ashley got up and she said that the spirit spoke to her and said that something was coming, you know, and, I thought it was a job or whatever, you know, but we went out to lunch with the VC, associated VC that I know, and he was asking me how things were going.

00:40:09:08 - 00:40:26:22
Jamie
I was somewhere in development, all these things, you know, and, and, and, he says, are you are you still full time? And I'm like, well, not on purpose. You know, it's kind of an accidental full time, you know, moment. But he said he's like, we've never funded a company. We're one of the founders wasn't full time.

00:40:27:00 - 00:40:54:18
Jamie
And he said, I'm. And he asked me how much we raise. And I told him, you know. And which is an impressive angel round here, I, you know, and, he said, yeah. Which it is. I probably won't go into the numbers, but it is impressive. Right. And in statement to you guys, you know, but anyways, I told him and, and he's like, I would go to your investors and I would be incredibly surprised if they said that about a portion that money was for you to be full time on this, you know, and it just hit me like a ton of bricks.

00:40:54:18 - 00:41:03:01
Jamie
I'm like, I'm feeling this is my answer. So I called Travis first, and I think you were you were like literally at the airport, or at least somewhere I.

00:41:03:01 - 00:41:07:16
Travis
Was going somewhere pretty cool. And you're like, you sucker! And I'm like, hey.

00:41:07:18 - 00:41:08:08
Brad
You know, like when you give.

00:41:08:08 - 00:41:09:23
Jamie
Him that claim, you can come to, you.

00:41:09:23 - 00:41:10:14
Travis
Know.

00:41:10:16 - 00:41:28:17
Jamie
But, but, I, I just told Travis about exactly everything that was going on. I've never had anything for Travis. You know, it's just like, this is what's happening. You know? I'm a poor. I can't find a job. I just had this conversation, and Travis kind of just had this, like, well, duh. Like, that's. Yeah, of course, like, that was always the game plan.

00:41:28:17 - 00:41:43:00
Travis
Yeah. And I'm like, did you just need to, like, saddle up and like, just don't draw? Yeah. Just take a draw. And I said, well, but you know, we need to make another and, you know, an injection. So, you know, you can just have that salary every month because you need to be hyper focused on this. Yeah. Right.

00:41:43:00 - 00:41:58:21
Jamie
And yeah. So she told only you said I remember you said you all know do your two feet in is what you said. And then I called Brad. And Brad was basically like, yeah, like same thing. I feel like an idiot took like the Lord was like, okay, come on, buddy, you know, like, you know better than this.

00:41:58:21 - 00:42:16:08
Jamie
But Brad said essentially the same thing. It was like, yeah, like, clearly that's was always the game plan, you know? And so we got that figured out. A long story short is, I can't I shouldn't say long story short, as I was a long story, but it came to this moment of, okay, well, now I'm doing this full time now all the way in this thing now it's like it's.

00:42:16:08 - 00:42:30:00
Jamie
I love this thing. Burn the boats. That's one of my favorite sayings, is like, I'm on the beach and we lit the powder kegs and the ship is up there and burning their like they're in the bottom of the ocean over. You know, they're gone now. And, and that's where we at.

00:42:30:00 - 00:42:30:19
Brad
And you can't.

00:42:30:19 - 00:42:39:05
Jamie
Swim. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. There's sharks and piranha and all sorts of things, but it's, Yeah, there's there's no going back now.

00:42:39:06 - 00:42:40:10
Brad
But anyways, so.

00:42:40:10 - 00:42:58:23
Jamie
We, you know, we made that decision. We're all full board on this. We've made the call. And you guys made that possible. So I would be remiss if it wasn't to say to them right now to Travis and Brad, like you guys, like, I would not be able to be doing this if it wasn't for y'all. I wouldn't be able to chase the dream.

00:42:58:23 - 00:43:20:08
Jamie
I wouldn't be able to, more importantly, fulfill the Lord's will for my life. I feel if it wasn't for y'all. So I think it's incredibly important to state that you guys are instruments and God's hands in my life. And I do. I take that lightly that there is a there's a grudge to that. Honestly, I will never be able to repay the either one of you.

00:43:20:10 - 00:43:46:20
Jamie
And there's an immense gratitude in my heart to God to use what I'm doing now to glorify his name. I would be I would be so ungrateful. And so, just I, I just I'm grateful is probably the best for to to not glorify his name with this. And I feel like I, I don't want to speak for y'all, but I do feel like that's what y'all want me to do, you know?

00:43:46:20 - 00:43:50:11
Jamie
I mean, you guys are Christian founders yourselves, you know? And so go ahead.

00:43:50:11 - 00:44:08:23
Travis
Well, well, I think when you say you can never repay us, I, I don't. Well, that's not true, actually, because you do you you do say thank you by not take you take it, you take it for you as an advantage, but you don't take it for granted. Yes, because there's a big difference. There's a big difference of life.

00:44:08:23 - 00:44:32:03
Travis
I mean, I've taken advantage of opportunities, but I have not and will not take them for granted. Yes. I don't feel like you took me for granted. Absolutely. Okay, so your success is yours is my. Thank you. That's what I want, right? Like knowing and doing it the right way, Jamie. Because success. I mean, it's nice to have a little extra cash in the piggy bank.

00:44:32:03 - 00:44:57:10
Travis
I'm not going to lie. Yeah, but it also, it also can change people for the worse. Absolutely. And so I anticipate that you will allow that to happen, that your humility will be of, a grounding of yours that you will have that always instilled in you. Right. And, and go on your knees daily and then thank God for everything that he's blessed you with.

00:44:57:12 - 00:45:13:00
Travis
Because it's that that's important. So I think I think that is your way of saying thank you. So to say that there's no way to do that, I don't think that's real or I don't think that's accurate because you you do that by following through. You do what you say you do and you do it the right way.

00:45:13:02 - 00:45:32:06
Travis
I mean, that's what I'm looking forward for, for you. And, so I'm super excited for you and I'm, I'm, I'm grateful that I was I had the opportunity to help you because, you know, it. I mean, you would have found it eventually, right? You would have been able to find that capital. But, and I was.

00:45:32:06 - 00:45:36:12
Jamie
Turning into the fox for a secular. I'm, like, going for the shaving. Yeah, yeah.

00:45:36:12 - 00:45:46:08
Travis
But now I think that I'm. I'm just super grateful that it worked out for both of us. And I had the opportunity to help you. And you're taking advantage of it and not taking it for granted.

00:45:46:08 - 00:46:08:20
Brad
And as Travis said earlier, you know, after all that, and when you have that success and you're stable and, and and you're in that place where you want to get to now, it's so important. And you will you will do it. But it's so important then to look around you and see who it's your turn to help out.

00:46:08:22 - 00:46:14:12
Brad
Yeah, because you will be there, just as you were said. Yeah. I sustained success in my life with the people have helped me.

00:46:14:12 - 00:46:39:08
Travis
Exactly. And and that's how you're doing it and what you should be looking forward to when you have reached the pinnacle. Right. It'll be your turn to help the next guy. And that's how this really, really works. And I truly believe that. Yes. Yeah. Earn God's trust. Yeah. He's going to bless you with abundance. Allow him to trust you to share in that abundance.

00:46:39:10 - 00:46:40:13
Travis
Well, I think to like it.

00:46:40:15 - 00:46:43:11
Brad
It's one of those things for me.

00:46:43:13 - 00:47:00:02
Jamie
I thought about, like, there are times in my life that I wanted wealth in abundance just for the sake of wealth and abundance. Because just like you, I'm not sure we've talked about your childhood all that much. I know what Travis like. We come from kind of similar, like, just, you know, I, you know, I'm really nothing. Grew up with nothing.

00:47:00:02 - 00:47:00:18
Travis
Very humble.

00:47:00:23 - 00:47:20:16
Jamie
Can say 100%, you know, and, and, you know, no real advantages to take hold of, you know? And so, like, I won't lie, there's times when I'm like, man, I just want money because I never had it, you know, I what what does that feel like to be able to buy the car that I want to house and not to worry about, like, oh, there's only literally a half a pack of baloney in the fridge, you know, like that.

00:47:20:18 - 00:47:39:16
Jamie
I would really like for there to be bacon in there, you know, like, that would be nice, you know, but it's it's, So there was those moments in my life. But then as I got further in my career and I'll. Look, man, I'm not like, I'm not wealthy by any means. I've just done well. Right? And I've been I to take care of my family, my wife and her mother, which I'm very, very proud of.

00:47:39:18 - 00:47:43:04
Jamie
And, you know, our kids never have had to ask. We're like.

00:47:43:06 - 00:47:43:22
Travis
Sorry.

00:47:44:00 - 00:48:05:05
Jamie
They've never had to ask for the food that, you know, sorry. That got me. I wasn't expecting that. But it means a lot to me, you know? So anyways, with all that being said, I've, I've come as I've gotten older, I'm like, I'm not sure if, like, I need as much money as I've thought that I needed or wanted, you know, I just want a good life.

00:48:05:05 - 00:48:23:17
Jamie
I'll, You might. One of our goals of to have a farm and, you know, have the kids and run around, and that's that's what I want for our life. But then I thought, in today's world, as sad as it is, in order to, like, really help people, you got to have the means to help them. You know, unless you're like a nun or something like that, right?

00:48:23:17 - 00:48:43:21
Jamie
Which is like all props to them, you know, like going out and like giving up everything to serve. Right? But if you're a working man and have a family, stuff like that, like if you want to go out and help people and serve people that not not with your time because you can do that without abundance, but, you know, really do more and really like, you know, write a check to feed a family for a couple of months, right?

00:48:43:21 - 00:49:00:00
Jamie
Or go travel the world to build a school or to help people that are less fortunate than you. It kind of sucks, but you need the means to be able to do that. And so the more and more my I think the Lord has changed my heart is I will bless you with this, but you must glorify my name with it.

00:49:00:05 - 00:49:00:15
Travis
That's right.

00:49:00:15 - 00:49:29:21
Jamie
And that's where I've told it. I sound like I had I had an epiphany. I was walking my car one day and I was thinking about it and it just hit me. It's like, I, I want the I want the means to live as however I want to, but I or will I am. So I'm trying to remember, like I wrote this down, basically the sentiment was,

00:49:29:23 - 00:49:34:02
Jamie
I, I want the abundance to live as simply as I want to live.

00:49:34:02 - 00:49:34:17
Travis
Yeah.

00:49:34:19 - 00:49:49:03
Jamie
You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a choice to live simply. Yeah, it's a choice to say, like, now I just want the farm. I don't want the mansion, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just want, like, sure, I want a car that runs. I don't have to have the best thing. Right? Like I want to be able to take care of my family with the rest of this.

00:49:49:05 - 00:49:52:23
Jamie
I want to change people's lives if I can, you know? So.

00:49:53:01 - 00:50:16:23
Travis
Yeah, that comes, it's interesting because, like, because of that mindset, you'll stay grounded, right? When I, when I first decided it, when my it or when I was really, really young, you know, my wife and I were just married or just we were probably engaged. My my motivation. I did not want to be poor. Yeah, I that's all I knew.

00:50:17:04 - 00:50:40:14
Travis
I did not want to be poor anymore and I was I don't I didn't know how or what, but I wasn't going to be poor. Well all of a sudden you look around and you're not poor. So what is what is this for? Now. Right. And you kind of have these moments where now my, my mission, my why is so different than it was 1520 years ago.

00:50:40:14 - 00:51:04:11
Travis
Like it I don't, I don't want to say this. In the wrong tone but I don't worry about money right to your point. Like I want to. I can live as simply as I want to, and I hey, I love a really good meal. I love my big, beautiful home, but I also love helping people. And there's and and what's fun is you can do it without even people knowing.

00:51:04:11 - 00:51:23:19
Travis
There's so many things in my wife and I have done for people, family, friends, people from the community that I love being able to do that. And I had somebody asked me is probably a year ago, like, why don't you just retire? I said, oh, that would be pretty selfish, wouldn't it? And they kind of looked at me kind of funny.

00:51:23:21 - 00:51:42:14
Travis
They were. What do you mean? I'll be selfish, I said. As soon as I stop. Then my machine stops and I ability my ability then to help people goes away. Not entirely, but I wouldn't be able to do I wouldn't be able to do it so freely. Like there's not a single sports organization at Eagle High School, or even that I don't support every year.

00:51:42:14 - 00:52:00:05
Travis
Almost. Right. And I love being able to do that. And if I, if I stop, like if you just get to the point where you just become a glazier. Well, Jamie's made his I'm good now then your ability to change other people's lives goes away. Yeah. So all of those kind of things, you'll you'll watch as you have success.

00:52:00:05 - 00:52:12:22
Travis
All of a sudden your mindset will kind of start shifting. But your initial reaction, and I think it's a natural one as a man and as a as a provider to to make sure that you get it, take care of yours first, one.

00:52:12:22 - 00:52:36:08
Jamie
Hundred percent what you have to do like I yeah, I think that's I think that's a really big misunderstanding sometimes in the Christian community of, of like not taking care of yourself and, and and taking care of others, but for yourself. I feel it very strongly, especially when you have a family like you can't focus on others unless and up in in number one, your family should be the people that you're caring for the most.

00:52:36:09 - 00:52:41:18
Jamie
Yeah, right. Like they should be the ones. Like they're the ones that I have the most affect on. My kids are the ones that I.

00:52:41:20 - 00:52:44:02
Brad
Well, they're the ones the Lord blessed you with.

00:52:44:02 - 00:53:03:20
Jamie
100%. Yeah. I was I was saying prayers last night with my daughter before she went to bed and and I just. Yeah, exactly. I, I just I say it every night, I when I pray with my kids like, you know, and I'm, I'm not praying for my kids. I'm praying with my kids, the Lord and I always say thank you for blessing us with these children, you know, because I want them to hear that they're a blessing.

00:53:03:21 - 00:53:24:18
Jamie
You know, I want them to know, like there is nothing in my life that is more important than them, you know? Right. But it's it's, for me, it's it's really important to understand, like. No, I do need to take care of myself, like my health. So, like those sorts of things. I need to take care of my family so that I have the ability and the means to help others right.

00:53:24:20 - 00:53:35:20
Jamie
I think I think it's selfish not to do those things. I think it would be a really misplaced charity. And that's a that that's even possible to help others before you help your own people.

00:53:35:22 - 00:53:42:19
Brad
Yeah. You hang around a life based on yourself, you know, like before you can go help down unless you don't have, you know, like you have to.

00:53:42:20 - 00:54:02:01
Jamie
Yeah, exactly. So that's that's my goal. But I, I think about that, and there's nothing else that you said and I actually just lost my train of thought, so I'll, I'll come back to it if need be. But a brand obviously a your experience they kind of go in. Travis you kind of mentioned it. Travis is the founder of Core Building Company, right?

00:54:02:01 - 00:54:08:00
Jamie
Yeah. Really awesomely successful builder I think the best in in Idaho. And I think.

00:54:08:03 - 00:54:17:17
Travis
The it said it was the best. He's the best last week is looking to be the best. Like it's kinda like the you know, the what you see is the best pizza or best hot cocoa. Who determines that I don't know.

00:54:17:17 - 00:54:34:08
Jamie
Yeah. Is it. Well in my opinion, the best I know that, if I can build a really cool farm, I want to build, set a core to do it. So. And then, you know, Brad, if you can kind of tell us a little of your background with, you know, your story because it's obviously very inspiring with Orange Theory.

00:54:34:10 - 00:54:36:13
Jamie
You know, that way we kind of know where you're coming from.

00:54:36:13 - 00:54:59:10
Brad
Darrell, I, I was, broadcast journalist in the state of Iowa after graduating college, and I covered three cycles of the Iowa caucuses, presidential politics. And by the third one, I was a stone cold alcoholic. Not from watching the political game, though. I got really very tired of that. But because of a whole bunch of different things.

00:54:59:11 - 00:55:19:21
Brad
And I ended up in, in the hospital. My liver wasn't functioning, my body was septic, and, they didn't know if I was going to make it. It was that bad. And I was one of those functioning alcoholics where if you got close enough to me, maybe you could figure it out, but for the most part, showed up at work, did my thing every day, and was living a really lonely existence.

00:55:19:23 - 00:55:44:10
Brad
And, I had a moment in the hospital where, I was out, and it's all blurry in my mind, but I, I definitely had a God moment, and I said, I don't care, God, whatever you want. And I woke up the next day and it took about a year of recovery because I had what's called a hard reset, where your brain is just having a tough time with everything.

00:55:44:12 - 00:56:07:19
Brad
But from that moment on, I, I have been connecting with God. He's always been there with me. Right. But I've been reaching up and have been course sober ever since. And happily. And to make a long story short, and I think I think God smiles on this one. I was a physical wreck at the end of that.

00:56:07:21 - 00:56:41:20
Brad
And so if you ask anybody on the planet if I would become this fitness person running, you know, 6070 locations that I built from scratch, they would all laugh. Like, I think that's a really big funny joke, but it wasn't. And, ended up finding this company called Orange Theory Fitness through a series of events, signed a contract to start developing the state of Illinois and put my head down like a hedgehog, and was singularly focused and was able to grow from one location.

00:56:41:20 - 00:56:58:05
Brad
Me in an orange suit on the corner, trying to open up a gym to, more than more than 70 locations. When we exited post-Covid. So I had that, that and that entire run, that Orange Theory fitness, which was which was really, really good.

00:56:58:07 - 00:56:59:16
Travis
That's a hedgehog story, Brad.

00:56:59:17 - 00:57:37:22
Brad
But it is a hedgehog story. Like it was honest to goodness I can't. Yeah, it was. I moved in with my parents. I moved in with my parents for about two months, and then they ended up moving out because I needed a little bit of separation. And, I really would. I'd get up at 430 in the morning and open the gym, for a, earlier than that and open it at 5 a.m. and work till we closed it at eight 9:00 at night, drive the hour, commute back home, put my put my clothes that I wore that day on a mini basket and the washing machine would turn it on, eat my dinner,

00:57:37:22 - 00:57:59:03
Brad
put it in the dryer and while it's dry and go to bed. And I did that for the first almost year of operations, because you have to. When you set out something though. That's right. And just put my head down and ground and my, my, my deal with, with my development was supposed to do 30 stores in ten years.

00:57:59:05 - 00:58:20:11
Brad
And today, if you put that contract in front of me because I know exactly what the run is, I'd be like, oh, I don't know about this one. That's a tough run. But I did 60 in 5, which is unheard of. I've just really unheard of. And we went from an unknown, unnamed, you know, unknown brand. Like what the what's orange therapy.

00:58:20:11 - 00:58:51:03
Brad
What's that to becoming the dominant boutique fitness gym in the Chicagoland area. And it's just getting good with God and getting moving, staying singularly focused and just working your tail off. And just the most important thing is believing. Believing in yourself because God believes in you. And if everything in your life is running right, you will turbocharge toward that goal.

00:58:51:05 - 00:59:01:14
Brad
And if it's sometimes it's not the goal that you think, and it's not the path that you think, but the end result is. So that's that was my most recent experience. You know, I.

00:59:01:14 - 00:59:13:00
Jamie
How do you guys, when you look back at what you built and because you had an exit and draws on a, you could exit if you wanted to, but like you said, your goals are different now. Your why is different now, right? Yeah.

00:59:13:00 - 00:59:17:10
Travis
I've got a I've got other people in mind then I want to take care of. So yeah, I'm to keep rolling. Yeah.

00:59:17:10 - 00:59:31:16
Jamie
Right. But if you. So as you look back at y'all's experiences in building what you've built, I mean, how was God instrumental and how and also how was your faith instrumental, right. In those experiences.

00:59:31:18 - 01:00:05:18
Travis
You're like, well, I there's been times I've told you, like, you need to have faith, Jimmy. Yeah. You've been. At times I feel like you've been in a place where you've doubted. Oh, yeah. And a we all have a we've all been there, like questioning, like, God, where are you? But, you know, I just just I think it's funny when you look at how God on a daily basis is always there when you I, I recently was listening to a podcast and they and, you know, this lady was talking about how like, you really need.

01:00:05:19 - 01:00:25:09
Travis
And so I started keeping a little journal of every day of like, where did I see God in my life today? Because it's funny, like sometimes if you don't stop and think about it, you just don't. You know, it's hard because you just you just get so busy, you're just running 199 miles an hour. Or at least I am all the time.

01:00:25:09 - 01:00:43:22
Travis
And you know, my I had a meal with my wife last week. I'm like, dude, I'm just I'm. I need some help, you know? Not like, I mean, just at work. I mean, we're missing a couple of pieces and she's like, you know, wife advice right now. I love her like, well, you know, this is you do this all to yourself, right?

01:00:44:00 - 01:01:08:20
Travis
Really? Well, thank you, honey, for making that abundantly clear. But I think of all the things in all the people that he put in my life, I mean, some of the the people that he said. Here you go, Travis. This is what you need now to help grow your business. It's amazing why there is no other reason except for God placed those people in my path.

01:01:09:01 - 01:01:31:23
Travis
There's no other reason. So if you if you can recognize that, regularly, you. How can you deny that God isn't there helping you along the way? I don't see how it's possible if you're just paying attention. I mean, some of the one of the best men I ever know. It's like one of the best men I've. I've come to know who's been an incredible mentor and who's helped me along the way.

01:01:31:23 - 01:01:57:02
Travis
And I still, I ask myself all, why does he help me so much? Right now? He doesn't have to. And his son now works for me, right? I remember calling him, and this was 20, 20. Just things were growing and, I mean, 110 miles an hour, and I'm like 70 hours a week, and I call him, and I just said, my name is I just said, I need help.

01:01:57:02 - 01:02:16:17
Travis
He goes, what's wrong? I go, I'm just I'm gonna, you know, I'm I'm running out. And when people say, well, Travis, when you're asking for help, that's a, that's a scary sign because, you know, I'll do I'll go. Yeah, 14 hours a day. I don't care, he says. So what do you need? And I told him, I said, I, I'm just I don't know how I'm saying this, but I guess I just need a CFO.

01:02:16:17 - 01:02:32:11
Travis
I mean, I need someone to manage that side of the business because I'm well organized. I know where my money is, but I just need someone to focus on that because I need to focus on this other piece more. And he's like, well, let me let me make some phone calls because he literally knows everyone, right? This is a guy that knows everybody.

01:02:32:13 - 01:02:54:09
Travis
So it was a it was a cry for help. And then he he says, well, you know, my son actually is really interested. Talk to you. I said, really I mean, he added a job and yeah, anyway, that's like all of those things. Why there is no other reason why, except for God had his hand in orchestrating all of those things.

01:02:54:11 - 01:02:55:23
Travis
So that's why you.

01:02:56:00 - 01:02:58:01
Brad
Asked for help, right? And yeah.

01:02:58:04 - 01:02:59:01
Travis
Right. So you did.

01:02:59:01 - 01:03:01:19
Brad
Really. It's like God blessed you. Yeah. You did.

01:03:01:20 - 01:03:20:22
Travis
Yeah. So I and I think that just God recognizes he knows he knows what we're trying to do. And I think he also knows that again, the trusting I don't want to like keep like coming back to that. But I just I just know that to be true. Right. Like, I don't know if you would trust me if I was just going to do it for the wrong reasons.

01:03:20:22 - 01:03:37:03
Travis
Just be greedy and not share and not help and all those kind of things. So I, I, I just really think that's a big part of it. So I just that was a big point of mine. Just always things just coming together and, and other people in the business like, hey, hey, do you want this? Or hey, do you need that?

01:03:37:03 - 01:03:59:15
Travis
And yeah, I do actually, you know, like thank you. So and that's God is driving that because I am not the smartest guy. You know, it's not as soon as you start saying, oh, look at me and look how awesome I am and look what I've accomplished. I mean, you just self-employed. I think you lose all of that and you lose sight of where you how you got there.

01:03:59:21 - 01:04:00:23
Travis
I feel it.

01:04:01:01 - 01:04:23:15
Jamie
I, I want to hear your thoughts on that as well, but I had something that popped to my head. I do want to ask if at all if you lost at all tomorrow. Right? Like the company goes under that's not there anymore, yada yada. But you do. But you feel like that was God's will to lose it.

01:04:23:17 - 01:04:25:22
Travis
That's fine.

01:04:26:00 - 01:04:26:21
Brad
Nothing lasts.

01:04:26:21 - 01:04:48:18
Travis
Forever. No. Yeah. And it's like it's. Well, I mean, so I don't have like a big fancy truck and a big this and I'm like, it's just stuff. Do I like the stuff? I like the stuff. Is it nice to be able to, like, go to a nice dinner anytime I want? And yes, but if I can't and I'm just cooking at home with her, fine.

01:04:48:20 - 01:05:01:22
Brad
You know, I remember when I bought my first fancy new car, right. You know, like, I remember when I bought it and I, I'm still I'm still driving them. Right. You know, but I remember when I bought it, I was like, oh, yeah.

01:05:01:22 - 01:05:04:00
Jamie
This is so.

01:05:04:02 - 01:05:25:17
Brad
And then I pull up places and I'd see me and other people. Yeah. You know, and having the nicest, like whatever, didn't do it for me anymore. And living in Chicago and it's a lot different. It's a lot different than, than living here in Eagle, Idaho. There are moments that I was like, I don't know, I did it.

01:05:25:19 - 01:05:42:11
Brad
The stuff becomes unimportant. It's like the second you get something, you're like, oh yeah, I got it. Oh yeah, I got it, yeah, I got it. What's, what's the next thing, what's the next thing? And that game. Yeah. Game can can never it never ends.

01:05:42:16 - 01:05:58:21
Travis
The I think the one thing that I enjoy the most out of having some success is I feel like it can. It can buy you a little peace sometimes. Like maybe you go on a vacation in a place it's not as crowded as everybody else. Those are probably the things like if I'm going to say, if.

01:05:58:21 - 01:06:00:02
Brad
I don't say the places.

01:06:00:02 - 01:06:01:05
Travis
Now, you already.

01:06:01:06 - 01:06:04:22
Brad
Know. What did you ask was a secret you let out here and everyone else goes.

01:06:04:22 - 01:06:31:14
Travis
No, but I think if I would miss anything, it would probably be that, like, it's it's not the, the coolest truck or the pool in the backyard, like, whatever. I think those things, those things matter. But don't forget where you came from. Jamie. Oh, yeah. That's. I'm, Don't forget where you came from, because I still, you know, a lot of the flood of our contractors that I've.

01:06:31:14 - 01:06:52:07
Travis
I've have a relationship with some of our contractors for, gone on 25 years, and, I make it a point to not. I don't treat them any differently now than I did then, because there's they're still my friends. I, you know, I've, I've, I've had success because of them and they've had success along the way with us.

01:06:52:07 - 01:07:13:20
Travis
Right? I mean, I don't want to, you know, and I know that they've had a good run too, but I think it's just treating people with respect and appreciation all the time. Regardless of the fact that your bank account might be bigger than theirs, it should not matter ever. I love nothing I might, I like sometimes I don't even want to be in my office.

01:07:13:22 - 01:07:21:03
Travis
I miss the field. I miss being on site when I'm on site and I'm just. And when sometimes when they figure out who I am because somebody's like.

01:07:21:05 - 01:07:23:19
Brad
Oh, that's that verse. Oh, then he's here. Oh, you know, and.

01:07:23:19 - 01:07:29:15
Travis
They're like, oh, like he's like really? You're you're him, you know? Because all of a sudden my faces are out there much anymore.

01:07:29:15 - 01:07:32:04
Jamie
I care about him. That's enough.

01:07:32:05 - 01:07:39:06
Travis
Now that I love just being around him and just and enjoying enjoying the camaraderie and what that makes.

01:07:39:06 - 01:07:58:11
Jamie
Me think of real fast. The what you've done to the least of these you've done to me, right? Nothing. And these people are like the least, or they're low or anything like that. But like in societal terms, when you look at somebody that owns a really successful fitness business or construction business, and the guy that's out there moving the lumber, right, right.

01:07:58:11 - 01:08:05:06
Jamie
Like people were just saying it's hierarchy, right? In society. Yeah. But God use us all as,

01:08:05:08 - 01:08:06:12
Travis
All of his children.

01:08:06:12 - 01:08:10:04
Jamie
You're. Oh, you're not only. Or are we his children? We are his creations.

01:08:10:04 - 01:08:10:21
Travis
Right. But we're.

01:08:10:21 - 01:08:43:03
Jamie
Also. I mean, when you think about how big God is and everything that God has created, everything that he has brought to pass not only this world and all and all that comes with it, the only salvation itself. But like, literally like just the being of God. And then you look at us or and we're nothing compared now, nothing that what he is asked of us is to go to the poor, to the hungry, go to visit those in prison, you know, go to help those who stand in need serve the least of these, and you will have served me right.

01:08:43:03 - 01:09:04:09
Jamie
And that's, I think, for for me. And I know for y'all. And because you guys are my examples in this, I really believe as, as successful Christian entrepreneurs, it is our job to do that with the means that we have. And that's what you're saying right now. I'm not trying anybody different because of that. I know you have an eye there and you're, you know, the people working for you in Orange Theory.

01:09:04:09 - 01:09:18:18
Jamie
And, you know, we never really talked about it, but I just I know, knowing you, I'm sure there were people that came to you that needed your help and you gave it to I know it. We never talked about it, but I know it. Knowing you, you know. And so I know we have a hard stop here just a couple minutes.

01:09:18:18 - 01:09:27:10
Jamie
So we'll we'll probably wrap up here, but I just want to say how grateful I am to have both of you guys in here and and, yeah. Something I want to say. Are you good? Okay.

01:09:27:10 - 01:09:46:11
Brad
No, I'm good. Except the the Seeing God journal. That's my takeaway for today. For me personally, because I make note of it during the day, but I don't make note of it in this way. Yeah. And by writing it down, then I can go back and see it. Because you forget.

01:09:46:11 - 01:09:48:02
Travis
Because you see it all the time.

01:09:48:02 - 01:09:58:09
Brad
The tight and big things. Even bigger things. When, when, when time passes, you like, forget about it. And then, you know, like the memory might come back, you're like, oh my gosh. Yeah, he did do that.

01:09:58:09 - 01:10:17:04
Travis
Well, because when you have those dark moments when you ask God, where are you? I've got a journal of that. Our God was right. And and it sometimes it could be little things like coasting in the gas station on fumes or, you know, just a, having something come. What? You need something. And it just happens at that very moment.

01:10:17:04 - 01:10:40:07
Travis
And it's funny because if you sit at the end of the day quietly and you just think, where did I where where was God's hand today, I promise you, you will find you will find where he just said, just orchestrated all these little details that are just. And there is no such thing as irony. Oh, isn't that ironic?

01:10:40:07 - 01:10:48:04
Travis
Or oh, just by chance, there is no such thing as coincidence, I tell. Be able to. Well, that's a coincidence. No it's not. There's no such thing.

01:10:48:06 - 01:11:04:11
Jamie
That you saying that's for you. That's. I've. I've been thinking this all the time of, you know, people are going to say, well, that was just a lucky coincidence. Absolutely not. That was that was just a good thing that happened. You got like, look at all these. You will have all these bad things happen to. Right. And and that is that's a valid argument.

01:11:04:11 - 01:11:20:19
Jamie
But I know I've been sitting here thinking about like how would I answer the person? I'd said, well, how do you know? Is this not a coincidence? Right. And to me, there's only now one thing that comes to mind, which is God is the author of all things that are good, right?

01:11:20:21 - 01:11:22:23
Travis
All good things come from God 100%.

01:11:22:23 - 01:11:49:18
Jamie
Yeah. All good things come from God. Right. And so and, and, we I know that we have there's all people out there that maybe they're deist. They believe that there is a God or there is a creator, but he's spun the world and said, I'll see you later. I know personally, you know, in my life you guys can attest to this as well, that not only are we known by the creator of the universe, but we are loved by him and he is a personal God.

01:11:49:20 - 01:12:13:12
Jamie
Yes, he knows us intimately, and he and those good things that happen to us are by his hand. And I would challenge anybody to listen to this. That is a Christian founder or maybe not a Christian founder, that's a founder, that's, you know, agnostic. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, you know, but take a moment, take a deep breath and just for a minute look at everything through the lens of God made this happen for me.

01:12:13:16 - 01:12:26:17
Jamie
God gave me this opportunity. God is the purpose. He is the purpose. But all behind all things that are good. And I truly believe that your life will change because I know that mine has and doing so. And sister, I'm a very skeptical person by nature, I just.

01:12:26:17 - 01:12:27:17
Travis
Yes, this is true.

01:12:27:17 - 01:12:49:23
Jamie
I'm crazy skeptical. I question all sorts of authority and power is I questioned everything you can. Anybody said you can. Not that I don't know me. No, no, I don't think you guys are getting this. I'm so skeptical. And I don't think, and if it wasn't for seeing what I've seen in my life and seeing the hand of God, then I'm sure I would be a choir singing Gnostic as well.

01:12:50:00 - 01:12:58:00
Jamie
But I have seen it, and I refuse to deny what I have seen. So anyways, guys, thank you for being on and, we'll catch you next time.

01:12:58:02 - 01:12:59:05
Travis
Thanks for peace. See me.