Designing the Future: Architecture, Stadium Secrets, and Career Truths | Unspoken with Brandon

In this episode of Unspoken, the Nicks sit down with licensed architect Brandon Maxey to explore the fascinating world of Kansas City architecture, from designing the future of educational environments to his work on the Las Vegas Raiders’ Allegiant Stadium. Brandon dives deep into the creative process, comparing the raw "slop" of pen and paper sketching with the technical precision of 3D modeling and CAD used to build modern storm shelters and schools. The conversation travels from the stadium architecture capital of the world to the historic streets of Rome, where Brandon recounts "going back in time" at the Basilica of San Clemente and finding inspiration in ancient Roman design. Beyond the blueprints, "Uncle B" shares vital career truths for aspiring professionals, discussing the humbling transition from being a "top dog" in school to navigating the high-stakes mistakes of an architecture internship. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in creative careers, urban development, and the personal stories that shape the buildings we live and learn in.

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Welcome to Unspoken, where everyone is the... Welcome back to another episode of Unspoken with Nick and Nick. We're back, baby. We are back, baby. I'm Nick. I'm Nick. And this is my brother-in-law, Brandon. What's up? This is so cool. This is like surreal, just like hearing that live. Well, yeah, you've always been, even including my wife, he's always been my number one podcast supporter. Dude, that's awesome. Yep. He listens to every episode. I don't think you've missed an episode ever of any of them. I have missed some. I missed one about a goose story. I don't know if there's... Oh, you missed the goose story. Okay. It keeps coming back, so I need to listen to that again. Yeah, you have to listen to that. I think that's the only one I've missed. That one's... That's a whole different beast. We tried to bring... I tried to bring that up at least once every episode, and you just did it for me. I was doing it for you. That's awesome, man. I know where we can go with this. Yeah. Love you, babe. Yeah, that's... I said at a certain point, I'm absolutely going to get smacked across the head when I get home. It can never stop. At some point, there's going to be a thing that does not go super well for me. Can I say one thing real quick? I have a shout out I have to give to somebody. Absitively. Mr. Dan Ibling. The reason I'm giving him a shout out is because he finally got a new card that taps. He will understand that. We've been super frustrated with his card, and he got a new one. And I love you for it, man. And I know you listen all the time. Hey, I respect it. And I had to give you a shout out. I respect a good card tap. Welcome to 2025. I know. Look at him go. Well, he did have it on the original card, but it just never worked. It would just beep at us. And then you try to insert, and you couldn't. And then you do the fail three times, and you can swipe it. Well, then the swipe didn't work. And I'm like... Input the number. Let's just input here. Yep. One thing that's annoying that they had on websites for a long time that they took away, it's annoying that they took it away, was they used to have a scan feature where you could literally just scan the card. Some places still do, but not all over the place. Some of the places that I frequent online, they had it before, and now they don't. I'm like, this is dumb. Now I have to put in my card like a caveman? Yep. It's dumb. It's dumb. Unbelievable. Well, one thing I have to ask, because Brandon, you have been... We're going to say you've been here since the beginning. You've been here since the idea-ception. You've known about this podcast when we were talking about it a long time ago. Yep. I've been in the room. That's correct. Kind of. Not really. In spirit, but we've talked about the idea as we were planning. Yeah. So what is, first of all, of what I told you before when we were planning the podcast, is it the same as what you pictured when I told you about it? I think yes and no. I think when it was kind of talked about as an idea, it was just like, hey, I'm Nick, and I got this other Nick, and we're going to talk about life and try and talk about the real things. And so in that sense, yes. Yeah. But obviously, no kind of conception of what the conversation would look like. And so from that standpoint, no. That's fair. But yeah, thematically, I would say yes. Yeah. Relatively close. Yeah. So then what's been your favorite or least... Let's just go with both. Favorite and least favorite parts so far that if we were to make this thing better... I love this question, man....that we could do better. Wow. We're going... And you're not stepping on toes, man. We want to already have the juicy bits. Well, because outside of... I mean, we could talk to our wives about it, truthfully, and would probably put some thought into it. Yeah. But you've been around with the conversation a long time. So seeing it from what we'll call outside-in perspective, knowing what's going on for probably longer than anybody else, what do you think works and what do you think could maybe have a little kick in the behind to get better? Yeah. So I think the format is great. It's one of my favorite parts is just like... I don't know. I feel like every conversation, like, hey, who are you? You get the, you know, hey, this is what I do for a living. This is my family. This is all these things. And then, you know, kind of like the boring stuff and then... Or the surface level, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And I love how the second half kind of comes back in with the deeper... You know, this is what like makes me me. So I think that's like absolutely got to stay. I think that's what makes this show. That's my favorite part. Yeah. I don't know. Other than that, I think the... It just comes with reps is like for the stuff to improve on. I think it's just reps, honestly. I think a lot of it probably comes down to technical stuff. I mean, just talk like kind of mixing sound or like... Yeah, sure, sure. You got this new theme song and, you know, figuring out how to get music involved with the podcast now. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think I'm a big believer in like just a little bit better each time. Each time, right. And then, yeah, you're golden after that. That's my philosophy too. I love that. Yeah. Love it. Love it. No, I love that. And I wanted to start out with that specifically because if we had dwindlers, people that listened to the first 10 minutes of this and then fell off and didn't get a chance to come back to it, I want them to know that we're working on this. So that's why I wanted to start there. Hey, hey, these guys, they're working hard. You don't know me, but I can vouch for that. They're putting in the work. I can tell you that much. Oh, yeah. You can't hear them. Only one finger cracked anyway. So nice there. There you go. Got my neck going. All right. So with that being said, I'm going to start off with this. Brandon's my brother-in-law. I have known Brandon for a better part of 10 years now, ish. Probably nine years now. Yeah. And I've probably known you for a little bit longer than that because Annie told me about you before I met you. See, I love it. Well, to be fair, Brandon has been around longer than anyone, not just like longer than anyone. Brandon has been around longer than anyone else in the family. So he was like he was true. Yeah, he was in like if ever there was an indoctrination, it would be to this family for him. When I first came around, both the other sisters had different partners than now. I mean, partner, their boyfriends at the time, high school, whatever college. And I was always with Melissa and have seen that both sisters find better men. Dude, that's cool, man. Now he gets the fun opportunity, I'll call it, to play with our babies and be Uncle B. Uncle B is going to call a hard stop to playing with the babies. That particular language. Well, now I was going to say we have fun together, but that also sounds weird. Yeah, but they they very much love Uncle B. Yeah, there you go. Uncle B loves them. Let me tell you. Yeah, you're you're an awesome dude. I've loved getting to know you better since we've since we first met. And I'm just excited that you've been around and hung out with us on the journey here. Yeah, and it's really, it's a lot of fun. It means more than I think I could probably tell you for real. But you know, I appreciate you. I love you. You're awesome. Do anything for you. And I appreciate you coming on the show and hanging out with us. Yeah. Yeah. So with that being said, Uncle B, who are you? I'm Uncle B. So we'll start at that. So obviously, Nick and I, brothers-in-law, probably don't need the in-law part. Nick feels like a brother. Yeah, that's cool. Meet another Nick now. So we'll see where that goes. Yeah. But yeah, Uncle B. So I got four nieces and nephews right now, which is awesome. Love, love the family. My day job, I'm an architect. So licensed architect in the state of Kansas. I work at a firm here in Kansas City. And you do the Lord's work. Just say that. You do the coolest job there is. There he is. My office, we, not my office, the office I work for, we design schools. And so there's a lot, a lot of fun work that happens with that. Yeah. Yeah, we like to say we design the future. And that's something that I really believe in and that the education environment that we're designing does impact kids. And so yeah, it's, I love it right now. It's, it's so fun. That is awesome. Do you ever feel like I'm going to design this room because we didn't have this and I want them to have it? Absolutely. Yeah. You get to be a kid. I'm always, always thinking about the school that I went to is like CMU walls everywhere, just masonry block, painted, no windows. It's like, we cannot have the next generation having this everywhere. It was almost, I don't want to say that prison-esque. Yeah, for sure. The schools that we went to, really. Yeah, very institutional. Yeah. And now they're incredible. Yeah. Well, if you think about it in a lot of ways, like one of the biggest changes that I can think of right off the top of my head right now that is so different from when we were kids to nowadays is exactly what you ended up doing at a school fairly recently, I would say. When you added the storm shelter, which was not a thing when we were kids. No, that's like, I mean, really like a lot of what I've done in most of my projects has been adding a storm shelter. I mean, you don't put a new school up without one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because I mean, I was actually talking about this today with someone and it was funny because we were talking about a recent tornado that had happened with a colleague of mine and he was like, yeah, there was all this damage around the area and he's like, we were really blessed that we didn't really get impacted by that. Thank goodness. So like, you know, thank goodness. And like anybody that was that, that's horrible. Like, pray for that. But he was basically talking a little bit about that. And then we were just talking about how like the process of like taking shelter in a school was literally just like, go in the hallway, lay on the ground. Hey, throw a textbook behind your head. That'll protect you from the tornado. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Or like, what did we do where we had to like tuck underneath the desks? That was also tornadoes, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. We, and my sister might be able to correct me on this if I'm wrong. In Michigan, we didn't have like tornado checks or drills. Oh yeah, we had drills all the time. We had, we did have, I do remember earthquake drills in Michigan. That's something that we did not have. Never have had one of those. And I've been in a couple there. Nothing major. I mean, you shake the ground a little bit and you're fine. But I was actually in one here my first year opening the barbershop up. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that one? I do remember that. I guess we have this little fault line along 87th. And it shook enough where it knocked a couple pictures off my wall at the shop. But I just remember after that happened, all the memes that went around. Like it was like somebody took a picture out their back window and it was like one plastic. Yeah, exactly. Tipped over. We will rebuild. We will. Thank goodness the business survived that. Yeah. All 14 businesses that exist in the bungalow. That one, yeah, right. We're growing. I love it. We've got a little community. The space is not growing. The people are. Which is funny because we just talked about that today. One of my clients was like, how many businesses are in here now? I go, hey, next month we've got a oil change and tire care center going in right over here. And I pointed and he goes, you're joking, right? Yes, I'm joking, but we have everything else. Yeah, but something one stop shop out there. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Okay. Yeah, you do some cool work, man. You do some really cool work and kind of cool to see too. Because I've been around a long enough time to see him go through college and stuff. And then to where he is now. Because for a long time, you wanted to do what you're doing now. And you talked about that. And I mean, even a step further in that cool thing is I, when I was at the school district, was working on a project for implementing technology into a new school. And I had a lot of meetings with his firm. And it was actually his firm and your team was the one working on that. And you had sent me a bunch of like, not really sent me like updates. You were like, hey, we're working on these things too. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I knew some of that. Like the team, the team lead like sat fairly close to me. So I could, yeah, I could talk to her about, hey, yeah, no, that's cool, man. This guy, is he just annoying? Yeah, that guy sucks, man. Yeah, never got to work on that project. But yeah, it was cool. Yeah. So it's been cool to see you get into that role because I know that I know how bad you wanted to be in that space for a long time, which is really, really neat. So then kind of taking a step back because we've I mean, I've only ever known you in the architecture capacity. Nothing else, really. So I know that that's been, well, I don't know that you've ever had anything else really in mind. You kind of always wanted to be in architecture. Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit where in high school I was thinking engineering or architecture. News flash, like math, not that fun. Calculus, not that fun. And so that was kind of the decision point for me that's like, I really love all this creative stuff. I want to create things and I want to design things. And so that kind of led me to architecture versus like the math and science that comes with engineering. I still, you know, I work with engineers all the time and like appreciate that. And I think it's cool what they do. It's just, it's just not for me. That's really cool. You were able to hold on to something and want to do it for so long. And now you do it. That's neat. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a little, I mean, at this point, a little bit legacy because your dad's an architect. Yeah. Okay, cool. The apple did not fall too far from the tree. Yeah, my dad's an architect. He works for a sports firm here in town. And so growing up with seeing him work on, you know, crazy, sports stadiums all across the country. I mean, even internationally for some projects. And so, yeah, architecture has kind of always been a topic in the house. That's cool. Which makes total sense. So you might be able to vouch for this. On one of our recent calls, it was stated that Kansas City is the stadium slash sports venue architecture capital of the world. Really? I would agree. We have the most architecture firms that work on a larger capacity of, yeah, exactly. My neighbor. Yeah. Right over here. Yeah. Works for a firm. Yeah. Okay. He does venues. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a larger number of venues that these firms are working on that supports that number. So that was kind of an interesting thing. And I mean, I didn't even think about that, but I mean, I see ads all the time for different architecture firms doing different things in the city. And that doesn't necessarily mean anything for the city specifically until, you know, whatever happens with the chiefs and the royals or whatever that looks like. But yeah, I'm certain that's going to be a Kansas City firm. Yeah. Almost certainly. You would have to. It'd be really hard not to like even like just because they're Kansas City teams, but also very hard because the good firms are in right here. You have the Mecca right here. Yeah. Well, and I think it was really cool kind of the way that it was stated because they're like, we're not saying anything about any other firms outside of Kansas City. It's just that by the numbers, here's the facts of like, this is how many here's how many they do per year all the end. It was like, oh, I didn't have any idea. I would have had no idea about. That's awesome. Well, and I mean, truthfully, if you think about it, I mean, it's just experience, right? It's just like anything else. Right. You're going to go build a building. Well, I do only buildings that are, you know, 10 stories or higher. Well, then I'm probably better at buildings. Store your building for other people. Right. If, you know, your architecture firm specializes in sports venues, why the heck not? Yeah. And then you get, you know, you get different people moving and they're going to start their own thing. And yeah, they were in sports architecture. So their new firm is going to do sports architecture. Yeah. Yeah, multiplies and builds from that. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. So then back when it all kind of began, you knew you were getting into architecture. Is it now what you thought it would be then? It's a good question. Yes, it is. Like, I do design buildings, but that was like the extent of what I thought architecture was, was designing spaces, designing different environments for people to occupy, interact with, whatever. I think there was just like a part of me when I was younger that's like, you know, ignorance is bliss. You don't know about the work that comes into building. And so, yeah, like the technical aspects of the job and detailing how a wall goes together with the floor and all these different things. Those storm shelters, how do we design this thing so that it can withstand tornado winds? That's what I had a question about right there. All the technical stuff, like, yeah, no, wasn't even a thought when I was kind of figuring it out. So then, so fun fact about Brandon, he's a very talented artist. He can draw very well. To the great, great pleasure of all of our kids getting to see the fun things that he draws. Like, what was it, a hey-hey? Yeah, there's a chicken on the fridge. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah, the rooster chicken, whatever it was from Moana. My daughter's all into that. So you drew that one. You drew the Pua. Made the fridge. Isn't that awesome? That's cool, man. That's right. Right over his kids' drawings. Take that, kids. Exactly, exactly. But not even by my choice, you know? My daughter was like, this is going up. Oh, yeah, that's cool, man. Yeah, so it's one of those deals. And I think that that obviously plays a role in it. But how much do you get to draw? Because I know you enjoy to draw. How much do you really get to do that, like in your drafting and stuff? Yeah, so the profession is no longer drafting boards and pencils on paper and pens on paper. So everything's CAD and 3D model. CAD and 3D model. But I still find myself going back to the pen and paper, the Sharpie and the trace paper. My weapons of choice in the designing phase. So I'm getting ready to kick off a new project here next week. And we're going to be doing some different site charrettes. Charrette being kind of a funny term that if you're not in architecture, you don't know what it means. Sure. It's kind of just like a brainstorming session is probably the best way to explain it. Sure. But we'll get out all of the big image printouts of the site and then we'll get this trace paper overlay on top and we'll just sketch ideas out. Yeah, yeah. It's sweet, man. We'll just rip off each other and just going back and forth with it. And then as the building kind of starts to find a place on the site, we'll draw out the massing diagrams and like, hey, this big volume is going to go here next to this smaller one. What's that going to look like? What's going to feel like? Dude, that's sweet, man. There's this aspect of the site that we want to like orient towards or there's this intersection here that we want to like kind of make sure we open up to so people can access it and see it. And so yeah, I always love sketching, pen and paper. For me, it's like an extension of like the brain almost, where you can like I think faster with the pen in hand than if I'm just kind of like, you know, I'm thinking this idea. Yeah. I'm going to like, let me let me take a couple of minutes. Let me, you know, model it on this computer. Yeah. All right. Then I'll show you what I got. Like in this in that five minute span, like I could knock out, you know, ten more ideas. Yeah, that's cool. Just like sketching real quick. Well, and quite literally, you don't have to picture it. You can just picture it. Yeah. You know, why do the extra steps when I can just. That's definitely true communication. But the extra step is cool by doing pen to paper because you get to fulfill and scratch that itch of doodling. Yeah. Yeah, the diarrhea of the brain. Yeah. Through the hand just right. Yeah. Yeah. And then put it to something real. So now you're getting a technical. Yeah. You're scratching that itch. That's neat, man. Yeah. It's so funny. You called it like diarrhea of the brain because like honestly, like it does look like a slop and yeah, like sometimes like we'll scan in our drawings and like from these different shirts and brainstorming sessions and like you'll look at them like I'll show Melissa and be like, what is this? Like it takes noses like there's like a square here. There's like it looks like a kindergartner's drawing. It's so funny, man. Yeah. When you're there, you can see it crystal clear. There's a building there, obviously. Yeah. Can't you tell there's a snowman? Cannot tell. That reminds me. Did you guys ever see that movie? My cousin Vinnie. I love that movie. There's a part in there. You maybe haven't seen this a little bit older. But yeah, I'm not a movie guy either. So there's a part in there. So he's a lawyer and he's trying to. Lawyer. Well, he's technically a lawyer, but he's definitely not a trial lawyer. He's trying to get his cousin off of this murder charge and he's just flailing through it. Okay. But then he starts to catch his stride and he finds he goes and takes a bunch of pictures at all these places. And there's this guy, he's like, hey, so what is this thing that we're looking through to see my defendants? And he's like, that's a window. He's like, great. What's all this stuff on the window? It's like dirt. He's like, great. Good job. And he's like, now, what are all these things with all these leaves on them? He's like, trees. Great job. Don't be afraid to shout them out when you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what that makes me think of. Sometimes you just, I mean, how do you not see it? It's right there in front of you. Yeah, yeah. You've been able to break it down step by step and somebody else looks at it and goes, what is that? Yeah, they're absolutely right because what is that? It looks like slop. Sure. Well, and I would have to say now it's probably changed a little bit in the capacity that 3D modeling and CAD operation is a lot different than it used to be. The power of the devices that you have in your hands are obviously a little bit more fulfilling, I would say, to probably the client than what you're probably used to. Oh, yeah, yeah. But the fact that you have, I think that really comes from the capacity that you can A, see it more clearly because a drawing could be either very different based on who's doing it. But arguably, some of the more important factors is the layering. The fact that you can additionally pull things out and put things on and you can change the daytime, nighttime, do everything and show them in real time is obviously the power of the pitch at that point. It's honestly such a great tool. I mean, we always talk about 99% of people do not work with an architect ever. And so 99% of the people don't know what we do and don't think like us, more importantly. And so these renderings and these images are like, that's how we bring the ideas from our head and put it, you know, I mean, we work with teachers and teachers are doing all sorts of other work that we could never do. And so they often just like them, everyone else, like just having a picture to say, oh, I know what a picture is. I can visualize that versus like a slob of lines. Like, I have no idea what that is. Or like when we talk with planes, like some people don't think in like a 2D plane and they need that image to be able to understand the building or whatever we're doing. Well, and it's so funny because we talked about this a lot in the past is that, you know, I was helped a little bit on the team that was responsible for some of those machines in the school district. And I mean, just thinking about it from the capacity of how does this actually work from the technology perspective to enable this profession or really to enable the kids to determine whether or not they wanted to do those things or not. But then just to, you know, hear the way you talk about it too is just, it's just cool to see because there's, I mean, it's really comes full circle. You get both sides of the story and just truthfully how it gets used. Because I'm not in that world. I could throw together 3D models just based on my knowledge of the system. But isn't it cool how your world helped his world and his world helped your world? Oh yeah. Well, and without their feedback there's no way I'd be able to have. Yeah, which is awesome. I think that's neat how you can tie two separate entities into one to make something. Yeah. The office that I work for, we call it co-creation is what we call that where we're experts in the built environment. You guys are experts in education. You guys know stuff about how to run a classroom that we don't know. We know things about how to design a space that you guys don't know. We come together, we can make something. You can utilize and maximize that space. Right. Yeah. I love that, man. That's really cool. Well, and one step even further than that. So like when I was in the room in the conversation, my line of work came in. Here's what we want this to look like from the perspective of 21st century learning because of the things that we knew we wanted implemented into the classroom. And we were like, I don't really give a shit what it looks like. I just need to get in there. It's so funny. You could tell when we have those conversations with IT, electrical, whatever. Like the more like how the building works and functions. Like they don't need to see a pretty picture. They need to know that this wall is going to have enough space to run their junk. This room will have enough for all the boards and whatever. Right, right, right. And I mean, there's a lot of things that go into it that, and I would argue more so on your end than on mine. Obviously, like my profession has plenty of things that go into it that nobody sees. But like for you, functionally, I'm gone. I come back and there are walls that I exist in and somebody built this for me. Here's what I can do in it. I don't know what's going, I don't know what is behind it. I don't know how it was built. I don't know if there's electrical in there times a billion. I don't know if there's freaking iPads running around like, and a lot of it, too. Nowadays, too, you can probably vouch for this, Brandon, is that the progression of smart architecture has changed. And I say architecture from the perspective of the building, not necessarily the profession of architecture. Gotcha, gotcha. That always confuses me. I don't get it. Yeah. Well, it's gone to the point of like smart buildings now, right? Yeah, right, right. I can tell you everything that goes into a smart building and it is run from a brain that lives in a closet, in a hallway. I could not build it. So I would have to say, here's everything I want to do. You create that. You make this functional for me. I don't know what I want. I just know what I need it to do. So tell me what it looks like. This is the power I need. Those conversations are so helpful. Yeah, because we need that information. But you're super, super creative. Architectures are architects are really creative. So architecture firms in general usually come, like, during that conversation, they came with ideas. And we were just kind of like, we're not really got a hand in it. But some of our colleagues were like, well, we don't necessarily know what we want. We kind of need you to tell us what we want. Yeah. But here's what we need it to do. And that's all that's all they cared about. Yep. And I agree with that because I'm like, I don't know education well enough. I just I can put a computer anywhere you want. I can make it run all these things. You don't even have to turn it on at the beginning of the day. If my teacher said, write this down. I wrote it down. Yeah. That's what I know. I can make sure that the lights are on as soon as you walk in. There you go. Make sure that your computer boots up and runs crazy. I can make sure that it does all these things and you never even have to look at it. Right. But yeah, that's that's a different game. Yeah. Yeah. And I do have a question for you on this, too. Do you guys still sorry if this is a silly question, but do you guys still do like dioramas and stuff? Like you make mockups on like foam board and we will. The most our offices like we do big printouts like on foam core board. And usually that's just like to have a big picture. A lot of times it's for like grand openings or like presentations to the city to kind of explain what's going on or whatever. Some firms do still do like physical models. Man, I wish I always thought that was one of the neatest things. It was my favorite thing in school. Yeah, I got some. I got some pretty cool models from my college days that I just I love them. It was just like the physical like working with like different materials and coming up with something so fun. Yeah, I always thought that was neat. One of the things that so Matt and my youngest boy who you just saw walk by he and I are obsessed with World War Two history and I in no way support who I'm about to bring up. But architecturally like the the old dioramas that they were making for for the Fuhrer city. I mean this room was 30,000 square feet and it looked like what the city would look like. Yeah, and it to me I was done listening in that moment just fascinated with how much time did that take to build and now you really have to build it. Oh, yeah, and that's that's build upon build upon build. Like, yeah, it caught me and I know he thought it was amazing too. Yeah, that being said not supportive of that regime. Yeah, I think everybody can pretty yeah, yeah. But it was really cool to see those. That's why I asked that. Like, do you guys still do that? Some firms do. That's neat, man. I do like and that takes a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah, but it's so fun. It's a riot, man. It's my favorite part. So in my world we go in many different phases in our project work. So I'm curious as to how how, of course, dynamically because things overlap a lot how much time is spent planning versus executing versus like actually we're done. Sure. So it kind of depends on the project. Sure. We would kind of tend if we take an idea to finish building you're walking in it in terms of like percentages. Probably well, I guess it's yeah, I guess it's hard because bigger projects take longer to build and so the construction process is longer. Yeah, but if we just take I guess the design process like we go start when we hand drawings off to contractors to build it it's probably ten percent kind of programming initial planning trying to figure out what is going to be built what we want to look like what we want to do and then we have another phase called schematic design where we're the words get a little more bubbly and we're starting to move pieces there's still bubbles they're not walls yet we're to kind of figure out more how the building's going to function that's probably 20 percent yeah of the time maybe okay take that go to the design development where we develop the design go figure we take those bubbles we put walls to we put doors in the spaces it's where it starts to look like a building probably 30 percent and then the remaining 50 percent is like the technical drawings like hey we got the building where we want it we got the room sized appropriately yeah now we got to figure out how it all goes together so we're going from detailing like different connection points to walls to roof details to how windows connect different things like that so yeah 50 percent the time for that it's yeah it's and I mean it's I think that right there is a great explanation because it talks about a lot of the things that people don't think about like they there's very phased out like portions of work that have to in a lot of ways despair at work but also very similar right but yeah I think that that's an interesting kind of concept but I'm curious like when does the architecture end like what like because I mean obviously you guys I understand that quite yeah I do understand what you're asking yeah because I mean I think the thing that I'm curious about is the fact that you are involved in the project throughout the entire duration until somebody can walk in but you aren't directly involved like there's a there's a pretty like yeah you have to take at some point sure so I'm assuming that's handing drawings off to contractors yes yeah and that's like the kind of the big transition point but still definitely involved in the construction right a lot of times like our contract with the owner is like to do the drawings right and then they have a contract the owner has a contract with the contractors not all the times there's different methods of construction but a lot of times and what we work with a lot there's a separate contract owner to contractor separate contract owner to us the architecture firm sure and so that contract with the contractor part of our contract as like the architecture firm is to be the owner representative on the construction that's why we're like walking around the construction site you have a fiduciary to the owner if that's out there yeah I got okay making sure that you know the building that we drew is the building that is built yep and so we can vouch for the owner because a lot of times they're not you know construction savvy or they don't know how the thing was put together yeah and so they can't do that as effectively so yeah it's basically a lot of ways you become like the construction liaison yes yeah to say like I'm gonna you know I'm doing this for them yep yep exactly yeah yeah that the language is is pretty common and yeah the service that we provide in that construction phase how often would you say let me make sure I ask this right you deliver drawings those drawings are approved change orders exist for a reason yeah how often is something built and they're like that is not at all what I think I need the ideal answer is never right the truthful answer is every single project sure yeah I have not been on a project that has been built as the drawings I've suggested which is a good thing because like we we make you know there's there's different tweaks that need to happen yeah instruction yeah there's oversights that we had no idea there was going to be this thing buried under the ground right we have this thing buried under the ground we got to pivot like we got a new what do we do yeah and so all the time and now that I've been talking I forget what the original question was no just in general like how often is there a yeah this isn't what I wanted oh oh like that I mean I've never been on that side I mean you may get like a oh this isn't like what I pictured because he had to pivot somewhere right yeah or like the disconnect between you know people cannot see or understand a space until they're like in the space right right and so it's not not often like a bad thing it's like right it's like oh this is different but now I get it this is great yeah yeah yeah I mean it's obviously very different than like extreme home makeover not slapping some pain on it and saying you know here you go right yeah so obviously a big change there yeah those those hgtv shows not popular amongst the office it's yeah it's like a slap in the face to the the profession is what it feels like a lot of the time is it kind of like the whole like physical therapist to chiropractor argument I it's probably similar a lot of times it's like our interior designers or who get the most offended because those shows have interior decorators right and so you know to the general public the 99 percent who don't work with us right they're like oh they're the same things and so the interior designers are like getting asked hey like what curtains would match well or which paint would look oh yeah yeah yeah the interior designers like this is not what we do like they have certified knowledge like they take tests and exams to get figure out the interior designer license yeah they're doing just as much technical work and so it's like yeah yeah just that is pretty pretty similar like it's nice to hear it's a refreshing to hear that that other professions also get some of the dumbest question yeah that is hilarious yes yeah every that's awesome every profession has their thing oh yeah absolutely absolutely so if you had to pick if you had to pick your favorite thing about architecture what would it be so this only happened a few times so far I'm pretty new into my career but I'm just kind of coming around to where buildings I designed and worked on I can walk through yeah it's so cool man that's gonna be a good feeling by far the the favorite the favorite part is when I walk in a space I'm like holy cow this is awesome it's like it's a surreal experience yeah one like this was like a drawing or an idea in my head now I'm like in the space it was your scribbles yeah exactly yeah my slop of drawings yeah and then there's this is your now there's space and so that's like feels super cool but they're like like this one school is like I'm looking at the clare story window and I'm like going going to my co-workers like holy cow this is like looks like how we designed it it worked and it's so stupid like we have these giant gannet mechanical units on the buildings roofs we screen those and we're like if we put it like right here we won't be able to see it and we won't have to screen it there's not a screen there we don't see the mechanical unit we're like jumping for joy it's like oh my gosh it worked like we did something and it worked out how yeah oh man it's so cool it's like that where it's like super exciting that's awesome and that's I mean that's a I think exciting is the right word because yeah like I mean you you obviously feel probably a different wave of emotions with each one depending on what like your involvement was in each like I remember like your first big project and you were like really excited about it yeah probably the same when I'm talking about right yeah and then I kind of yeah I remember us talking not that long ago about like this is really cool and that's just the full circle you know yeah so being I mean in a lot of ways that's kind of your baby too I was just gonna say that yeah yeah for sure my baby grew up yeah there it is yeah yeah I mean you and you're nurturing that you're just with it for so much time that it becomes it becomes a thing that's more than just a a thing on a page that like I said it was it's that's your lego blocks when we're in your kid yeah exactly that's awesome exactly what I wanted it to look exactly yeah I mean it's the same for like any creative endeavor I mean yeah like this this podcast like it's a creative endeavor yeah and yeah like I'm sure the feeling that I feel very similar to how you guys played this out and then you when you pressed publish on that first episode and you listen to it like in the car in your headphones or whatever yeah holy cow like you should see the text thing between us yeah first episode drop we're I mean six in the morning happy podcast day yeah we're dropping yeah that's true yeah but now it's like every Wednesday it's coming it's coming come on yeah yeah it's there's something about just like making it and then seeing exactly yep and I think also just like making something that other people can share in yeah is like part of the joy in it all totally oh yeah how other people can delight in something that you've made or helped create well and I think now too because this so you'll have to give a little bit of context on this because I'm just seeing it like I said from the outside but the perspective is still a little bit there um how long it's taken to get to where you are now because you had a pretty significant amount of time that needed to be under your belt before you could be considered an architect even to sit for the test so like now that you're here like you were doing some like you worked on some cool projects but you had some really funny things that you were doing because there's like well I'm an intern and I can only do these things like I want to say it was it was the Raiders stadium wasn't it that you worked on and you were like yeah I'm working on that and I was like oh cool what are you doing he's like I'm counting doorways yeah oh no yeah yeah yeah an intern you worked on it that's right yes that's right the so I mean Kansas City being the sports architecture hub that it is when I came back to town for over the summer for internships worked at one of those firms I worked on the new allegiance stadium that's yeah the Las Vegas Raiders stadium I worked on that project yeah Chief's Kingdom flag was yeah exactly that's buried under that was something we detailed it and that was just the construction worker yeah that's that's that's a fantastic banter yeah yeah yeah no it's like I I worked on the stairwell yeah and there's they're just concrete stairwell they're not even the fancy ones they're just egress or like yeah the doors like I there I was like was making sure all the doors were like four inches from the wall that it was next to so that they have the space and the clear it's like yeah super super dumb stuff but it needs to happen it has to happen though yeah yeah yeah and the reason we do those little things is like the the little guys is like I mean he's not gonna know who I'm talking about in the off chance he listened to but like we had another intern he like deleted something an accident and it was connected to the slab of the stadium oh no yeah the whole slab and our big shared model gone oh no hundreds of like attached elements and yeah it's like and they just had to like just ditch that model go back to a save file and yeah oh no but it's like yeah yeah so really really funny um kind of story but yeah thankfully it never happened to me oh that's and that's oh that's why there's kind of doors yeah I would have been that guy I'd still be counting doors that's uh yeah that that feeling stinks a lot I've I've had some of those in the tech space and you whack something that people are using and you're like oh crap yeah the yeah it's so important I just cut you off I'm so sorry I would just say my my studio leader um one of like his lines is like you know as you're getting more experience and you're starting to do bigger projects in different roles and whatever like yeah the only thing that changes that your mistakes they cost more money true story that's that's true I mean and yeah it happens to everyone like it's yeah it's gonna yeah it's inevitable almost we're only human but yeah well yours is funny how that that works you have a different you have a different um you get a different perspective in this because like in my world not everything we do is attached to a dollar sign so we have what we call green work which like is essentially your whole job whereas like our our green work is things that make us money for the business now my my tech team supports the business so I guess technically we can say everything's green work but there are things that are green work from the perspective of we can't get something that would pay us a bunch of money like we can't win things if we don't do this thing yeah so those are like different kind of kind of aspects to it but um do you have a least favorite part of architecture everybody does I have a least favorite part of tech so yeah um I'm not a huge fan of like the building assessment part of things okay yeah um and like it's it's vital it's important sure and like you know sometimes it can be exciting but a lot of the times like with the schools we're going in and seeing like just where everything is there may not be a project associated with it so like those tasks are like really mundane it's like look at all of the door frames how's their condition right look at the floor in every single classroom are the tiles peeling is the carpet peeling whatever um do we have an intern for this go walk the exterior of the building how are the bricks yeah you know are they yeah are the brick corners like you know are they chipped off or is the mortar falling out yeah is there yeah so like those little it's it's the the mundane tasks that you have to do over and over and over and over again you know times yeah the zillion feels like because it's a you know we call those in the marine corps I do not bitch word yeah grunt work yeah yep so um I'm gonna ask you to to tell a bit of a story so we can kind of say buckle up on this one I like it already a little nervous to talk about your time in Italy oh sure yeah because you got to go overseas for I guess that would technically be considered like a work study program yeah it was a study abroad experience in school so yeah here I am the the one guy that's you know the one of many who studied abroad and now can't stop talking about how he studied abroad that one time in college but it's better than the guy that played jv I was just gonna say this I should have made varsity back in my coach would have put me in we'd have gone state all the way state that year yeah but but since you brought it up I'm I'm giving myself a free pass and I'm gonna talk about it yeah talk about it want to so heck yeah heck yeah but yeah I so I went to Iowa State and I studied architecture there they have a architecture school or I guess it's like the College of Design they have a extension in Rome yeah so like built into our curriculum was the option to study abroad in Rome which like for an architecture student incredible yeah yeah I yeah like 10 out of 10 times I'm I'm gonna opt to go there yeah whatever I got to do that's awesome so yeah I was there for a whole semester a spring semester so early January to early May just dude that's so cool yeah and there was a lot of cool photos that came out of that yeah yeah yeah some cool things you did I think even to this day you still have a photo from your trip there on your phone like on your background oh yeah the soccer stadium yeah there so went to I got a couple a couple of those now that you can switch them out on iPhone pretty easily I got a few yeah yeah one of them's actually from Paris I was like on top of the Eiffel Tower and they have like a soccer stadium right next to it oh that's so cool so the picture I'm a huge soccer fan and so this is why I took it but it's like looking down you see the the soccer stadium front and center and then you see like Paris like sprawling oh what and so it's like soccer love that building city urban development architecture love that let's throw it on a phone heck yeah heck yeah man that's so cool yeah yeah did you ever walk around Rome too and just go how did they do this oh yeah all all the time I mean it's it's crazy the uh I did that in Japan when I lived there but I've never been to Rome always wanted to my wife's been and I think I would just walk around the whole time yeah ask myself how did they do that yeah it's it's incredible it's so cool the Romans so they knew they knew a lot I want to go I'm super stoked for that trip just make sure you invite me deal I can make that happen I got a route maybe a listener could make it happen yeah there you go so uh are you ready for a fun fact Nick we go before before we go there like yeah I think you have to do an Italian episode uh the Nico and Nico Nico and Nico we just translate the whole thing to Italian yeah we bring it with us on our journey yeah would be awesome exactly can I get some pasta nailed it and I have a guy back home I grew up with who could come on there you go does he know how to properly eat linguine his name's Paulie ah I'm joking so are you ready for a fun fact yeah yeah something in this room was also in Rome was with him was it was it me besides you it was with you I think it was with you oh yeah it's the it's the tripod it's the tripod that the camera is on no way man yeah exactly that's so funny you brought that up because I was looking I was like that that bag on the dresser over there looks eerily looks like it's dude that's frayed in the same exact way that my bag he just carries a PC wherever oh yeah shoot that's my tripod it's his tripod yeah awesome man glad it's getting used he gave that to me ages ago and he's like well I don't know where to put it right now and I'm not using it so just keep hold of it okay great it's nice huh it's probably why it's easy to use yeah I spent so much time researching that thing and it's like it's amazing it's it's like the sweet spot of like budget but like has all the functions here yeah oh it's a legit tripod listen to us talk about this tripod well it's big enough to be functional it also folds up really tight so you can have that just like on your back if you're running around town that was a that was a requirement when I was like because I got my camera in the tripod for that Italy study abroad it's like I'm going to take a bunch of pictures while I'm here I want to be prepared and be able to do it yeah oh man that's so cool so cool such an awesome awesome thing that you got to do what was your favorite we'll call it experience overseas there who I'm probably going to need some tighter brackets do you have like a what was your favorite thing in Rome specifically oh so the touristy things right the Colosseum the trevi fountain Spanish steps like the pantheon incredible those are all on the list so like I'm not skipping over those because I thought they were awful I'm skipping over them to try and give something a little bit different sure but they're the churches everywhere are super cool yeah there's one the the Basilica of San Clemente and the cool thing about this is you walk in and there's like a a 14th 15th century church I think is where that's where you walk in and you're like you got all this intricate you know tile mosaic work yeah and he's like this is a really cool church and then you go in this door in the back and you go down these stairs and you walk down that church was built on top of a church from the fourth or like fifth century oh wow I'm not sure on the dates but it's like I have goosebumps right now you've literally gone in back in time you know a few centuries yeah and then you look at it like holy cow this church is really cool and you see he's going further like these these faded like frescoes of like the paintings and the oh my gosh and like these bricks that are just like still standing that are now the foundation for this church above it yeah and then you keep walking through it there's another stair you go down there is like a first century church oh wow so you're going down even more yeah like an ancient ancient church there's three churches and this bottom one is a it's a church that was of a religion that is thought to be like the gladiators used oh it's pretty close to the coliseum and so gladiators would you know be here and it's like it doesn't look like much now because it's a zillion years old yeah but you can like see like yeah that's like a table this is probably where the gladiators like you know would eat pray whatever yeah before they're different that wow and so yeah that's wild and now you take me back to first century too and as a spiritual man myself wow you know where that's taking us yeah yeah yeah super that is wild man but it's it's really cool that is awesome that was that was a highlight of rome for sure yeah kate you need to take me yeah me too yeah we got we need nico and nico there yeah that's right yeah we'll do an episode abroad now we're on now we're talking yeah we can kick our feet back welcome to unspoken with nico and nico seaside yeah gosh man that is so awesome so um i've asked you this question before i'm pretty sure i know the answer but i'm gonna ask you anyway uh what was your favorite food over there oh a little thing i like to call gelato i don't know if you've ever heard of it nope what it what is gelato it's like ice cream but it's better but it's better and my favorite was the stracciatella oh what's that strawberry chocolate it's just chocolate chip is all it is okay yeah don't listen to don't listen to nick over here chocolate chip is what it is and yeah the the trick though is like to not go to the gelato stands but to go to the grocery stores and like the the co-ops okay get a i guess they're they're metric so like you get like a 500 gram thing of gelato sure um yeah half half a kilo of gelato for like the same price as like a little teeny oh from the stand low cup yeah yeah this little yeah it's like i'm going for the more ice cream for the same price every time wow man that's why stracciatella all the way do you know uh fun fact uh barbering was invented in rome whoa i did not know that got a couple haircuts there did you that's pretty cool so don't did you go into were they old like old so i don't i don't think mine was an original uh roman barbershop because there's a couple there the guys i went to were arabic oh no way yeah so they're so not not roman um yeah and i went there because i had a good friend who was arabic um he's from kuwait and so he i love kuwait he had found these guys and he's like hey i'll take you here and i'm like yeah that'd be incredible because i cannot speak italian and i want to get a good haircut yeah and you look pretty good so i'm gonna follow you yeah and so he just told him like hey this is what this dude wants yep and then we got a good deal because the arabic barbers were so excited they had an arabic speaking customer oh that's awesome everybody yeah more business so cool yeah i love that man yeah that's that's one of my dreams not only for the architecture over there and the like that spiritual trail you can go down but barbering yeah it's like that's awesome barber yeah i would have no idea there are there are two active barbershops in rome that are original buildings so we're going back probably yeah second century grow your hair out before you go i know man holy cow yeah and they it's it's uh if you go to a true roman barber it is a holiday your haircut takes a couple hours it's not just fade you up we have a little conversation and then you know what yeah it's more than that in my chair i don't know if he's told you that but it's it's a relationship i'm relationship driven when you sit in my chair um but uh when you go over there it's it's like dinner time i mean they're taking their time they're talking to you messing with your hair what weight i think you should go this way well i know right i push it this way no this fiber right here it is it is awesome man it's the real deal that makes it look right yeah they're all hooked up in italians they they look pretty good they do man they do yeah good they know they know they got it figured out it's all the olive oil yeah is that what it is yeah that's what it is pasta gelato yes the gelato yeah well haircuts what is it italy has the most uh blue zones of anywhere in the world i think was what it was um i don't know if they have the most but a lot i know sardinia is yeah or i guess technically europe i think was considered to have the most blue zones and probably probably italy italy and greece yeah blue zone being like areas where where folks like live to like a hundred plus yeah yeah yeah people tend to and then you see what they eat yeah and you're like how well because there's no natural yeah yeah and they're they're doing the farming to get all that natural stuff and yeah makes cracking into a second lacrosse got a lacrosse i i saw it like an instagram reel on these apparently it's pronounced lacrosse which like oh really makes it just feels dumb because i look lacrosse is so much more fun to say but the company is from lacrosse wisconsin and so they just so it's lacrosse but those jerks croix it's like yeah cool yeah it's like far it looks fresh or as the girls at the at the bungalow column spicy waters spicy there you go yeah so spicy that's so spicy well brandon we have gone down the architecture rabbit hole so to speak oh yeah um which means i think it's time to take quick break and then we can really dive into who in the heck uncle b really is all right let's do it all right let's do it we'll be right back we're back we're back hello hello that was a good break that was a good break nice nice short little little break little potty break little water break little lacrocs break lacrosse lacrocs what did you call it lacrosse but yeah the more i say it the the less i'm convinced that i'm remembering that video correct i'm going to stick with my lacroix i think i think however however you like to say it lacroix whatever the most fun is yeah pretty sure it's lacrocs i'm gonna say sometimes i just say like lacrocs there you go it's spicy is it kind of like how people can just get and just call it whatever they want it's like when somebody screws up mary chris is like mary chrispen yeah mary chrispen world chrysler that's a pretty funny video i'm not gonna like that i like that i'm pergagging it or have you seen that video with the different people like misspelling pregnant oh yes oh yes or what is it um bone apple teeth oh yeah bone apple teeth that's what they say in italy actually really no i'm gonna say i'm learning new things today bona appleti though bona appleti sorry if i'm offending you oh speak oh speaking of italian though katie and i started a really good movie last night we only got about halfway through it it's on netflix nanas oh on our list dude haven't watched it yet haven't watched it i was pleasantly surprised to see vince vaughn take on a more serious role he's still funny yeah but he leaves more of the humor to the supporting cast i like it and it's awesome yeah i'm i'm in for that it's heartfelt for that and it is good it's good i'm a vince vaughn fan i like him yeah so i can get out of this party yeah yeah why not right all right yes it's randon it's time it is let's do it we learned a lot about what you are in the first portion yeah i really want to know i know i know a lot do you i know a lot of things i don't know all the things blow his socks off now i would love to know who you are who would you say that you are hmm it's a i don't i think about this a lot um succinctly just a guy trying to figure it out fair very fair which i feel is very like all-encompassing right i also kind of think about it like you know what would the tombstone look like um you know hopefully not tomorrow for me but what would i like it to say yep um i you know if i'm going down the list i want to be child of god yep husband to melissa um you know lord willing like father to so so and so yeah yeah you know family to many friend to all yeah and had fun along the way or something like yeah yeah yeah um and so i think you know trying to figure it out in all of those different realms yeah yeah that's where i feel i am right now i love that i do too i think and i mean i can say that i uh i agree that you encapsulate that a lot so i definitely think that that's where you are what would you say makes you tick tick as in like what's what like grinds my gears or like what makes me feel like well now now that you're asking i feel like now i need to know what grinds your gears what puts a b in your body soccer referees good grief i don't get mad often what puts the octane in your soccer referees good grief yeah it's so that's that's what gets you melissa always says like i've never seen you scream but she would get so mad at me like on about soccer soccer like when i was playing soccer and be yeah don't yell at the refs it's like it's the ref's fault i'm like yes but someone has to someone's got to be wrong if i don't tell them how will they ever learn yeah how will they get better yep and then they they blow their whistle they give a foul and they send me away and here we are no power in this situation respect the heck out of it so um then what's that thing that just like i mean let's talk about like the things that you love like sure what what gets you up in the morning what things are important to you throughout the day who like i i know who your person is so i understand more than a lot of people the dynamic that is that relationship sure but um like just you man like what what is it about you like who who are you yeah i mean it's the the the person nick is referring to knowing is my wife melissa and it's really hard to talk about me without talking about her we were high school sweethearts we are now um this year we'll be married for five years we've been together like 12 or 13 yeah that's cool man so yeah we're coming up on like next year i think is like more time we've been together than not in like our lifetimes which is kind of cool to think about but yeah really hard to like talk about who i am without talking about her and like obviously like we have our own things and like we sure each our own individuals but um yeah so much of like what makes me tick is like just doing life with her and like having fun with melissa um part of that for part of that's being like you know uncle and it's refreshing to nick's kiddos and yeah and our other other brother sisters kiddos um you know we like seeing different things and yep exploring having fun yeah doing different new things um that individual side of me um it's got to be like the creativity yeah in creating yeah that makes me tick um yeah it's like there's just like a part of me that just feels like different and alive like when i'm making um when i'm drawing when i'm you know building yeah something or yeah random project like we just had birthday party for nick's daughter and yeah made like a pin that knows on the pua and like even like little things like that just like i'm drawing a pig i'm cutting it out it's like nothing yeah but like even just like figuring out how that goes together attaches to the column for the birthday party is like yeah that stuff brings me so much life and yeah yeah and so i love that that's that would be the thing that you would say fills the bucket for you yeah most definitely that that's the stuff that i yeah yeah what is um we talked a little bit about this on the way here with me i'm a zero to ten thousand i could be happy joy win the lottery weird we met that is so weird i could i could win the lottery and go from the happiest person you've ever met to absolutely super pissed fury if i hit my head super hard something and i'm not unique in that i know but that is like the thing that makes me more angry than anything is hitting my head yeah i'm too short to hit my head on anything what is the thing that is like that is that will light your fuse faster than anything the first thing that came to mind if i'm being honest is like stupid people yeah right i love it which like yeah i mean i'm stupid too but the people that are stupid but then as i thought about it more um it's really like injustice in different things sure i just cannot stand um or even yeah i mean like you know there's like the big injustices of this world yeah um but i'm talking like just like little things where like i'm trying to think of an example off the top of my head but like you know someone says one thing that's like different than what like actually happened and it's like it can be a small thing and i'm like and then that person who did nothing is like getting punished for doing this thing that right yeah like i cannot can not stand that yeah that's a very real thing yeah i get that um if we're going like a more and not that hitting your head is not serious by any means but i hate hate pickles that yeah pickles piss you off when a pickle is on my plate next to my barbecue sandwich and that pickle juice touches my bun you're done i have to have melissa poke with a fork and then i grab a handful of napkins and just dab the plate because jeez pickles they can tell everything i hate it yeah it's so rowdy dude no i agree i'm not a pickle guy either i totally get that and i love pickles god that's a weird thing man you love pickles so everybody in this house what's the deal with pickles man dude it it i think that's enough i know i i'm so i'm super on board with brandon here we got two out of three here pickles are out yeah yeah pickles are out pickles are out i'm gonna put a jar of pickles in front of him next week yeah i'm gonna go all like like nacho libra get that pickle out of my face then i'm gonna tap him on the head yeah exactly they're good adrian belter double way yeah yeah now um okay i respect it i respect it pickles piss you off to no end good grief uh okay i love it and it sounds like a goose situation yeah that goose man there is i gotta go back and listen to that you do it's coming up too often for me not to know that was something that fired me up something awful that i did not know was fired up you would have thought he hit his head that's true that's actually true i was madder than if i hit my head i i mean you didn't hear this story you didn't hear the story no okay well i'll give a quick rundown we gotta talk about it just because just because of the reality here that uncle b hasn't heard it um we were in oklahoma city walking down by the river walk i got zach and maddie in the in the stroller next to me uh annie and katie had little man little girl up ahead they walked by and we were going under this bridge so it was a fairly narrow space to walk under there's two geese standing there they walk by in the double stroller and this goose starts hissing at them and they keep going and i back up and i'm like you are shitting me you you did not just hiss at my babies that didn't happen i didn't i imagine that and i'm standing back far enough to where i'm at the base of this bridge where they can't see me at the other end so they just are wondering where i'm at and i'm having a serious conversation with this goose like here's what's gonna happen i'm gonna walk by and if you get near my babies i will hit you with your goose friend the end like i was not i was laying down the law and meanwhile there's a person sitting on this bench minding their own business under the bridge that is probably looking at me like is going on over this dude it was awesome he can talk to geese yeah exactly he probably thinks i'm dr doulo exactly don't do trucks yeah this is what it looks like um yeah so i was not uh i was not thrilled you should hear the whole story you should go through the whole story but uh you yeah i'll go back i'll listen i'll do my homework displeased with that goose and then mitch comes out he's like yeah he planted a knife on the goose because we were talking about how it could be or could not be illegal to yeah yeah just kill a goose right which like i'm not a kill an animal person mitch is like just playing a knife on it yeah there you are wasn't wasn't me that was self-defense the goose had a knife goose had a knife man what was i supposed to do so buddy um yeah that's the that's the goose situation so you should go back and check that out but he did give you the quick rundown you got to hear it all right oh i was great i'll go back i was and then i'll ask annie for the the real story she'll tell you and she'll say i was being ridiculous and i was like here's the deal in that moment i was it's life or death yeah i yeah it's the babies man babies you know what you can attack me goose i don't care yeah if you come after my kiddos or my wife or my niece and nephew your toast sister-in-law uncle b uncle b if he's there yeah i there is a line that i am not willing to let anyone cross and that comes to my family and my people i care about and when you go across that line i don't care if you're goose or not start hissing at me you better get your ass ready for the rubble bingo it's game time yeah right and meanwhile his goose friends stand there like carrie stop can't you see he's getting angry i mean i mean the goose is just like one goose is looking back and forth his other goose is looking at me just hissing i'm gonna kick you in the water you get out of here and you won't float now exactly might float for an hour or two but yeah so that was the goose situation anyway um okay so then um what were like what was it like growing up yeah um what'd you like to do would you what was the thing that like you would hope to get up in the morning and get to do growing up it was soccer that's what i wanted to yeah that's cool um which your i know your love of soccer now yeah um but that was that was a sport i played um up until high school and then i added running and long distance running in there um yeah loved doing that was always again kind of like making things and like arts and crafts type of things or like trying to figure out how things work and then making it for myself um loved lego yeah um and just like building different oh i go ships like castles or whatever yeah yeah um i've said i have to build up there oh nice i got to build them a lot of one was tiny but it was fun it's fun it's fun very nice yeah that's awesome yeah um so that i mean i don't know what growing up like what do you want what do you want to hear like what do you what do you want us to hear what was your ideal day as a kid like summer time you wake up yeah and i'll give you some something here like mine was hop on the bike yeah go to my buddy's house all day and then we would go to the next house yeah and we go to the next and we were all together and before you know there's like 20 guys riding through my town yeah yeah and similar if we're going like summer it's like similar to that um we had a handful of kids on our street okay similar age to to me yeah and i have a younger brother um just the two of us and so like we would kind of go around and you know we'd get the kids we'd play soccer heck yeah and not we our parents have a big side yard okay we had a couple of soccer goals that we'd school yeah um otherwise like had a couple of friends like we had the route um we'd ride our bike pick up the friends we'd go to the pool we'd be at the pool all day yep dinner time comes let's eat dinner then you know we meet up again we go right i want to play again let me go yeah but then we go to the the school and like we play like flashlight tag or kickball heck yeah man neighborhood kids that's awesome dude yeah love love that grown up that was that's so much fun yeah if um if current brandon was to tell little brandon something what would it be a piece of advice hey do this thing invest in bitcoin yeah that'd be a good one yeah yep yeah buy a house after the yeah housing market yeah right um no i think in 2008 when you're in fourth yeah yeah fifth grade you really need to buy a house in elementary school and and after you do that yeah invent bitcoin at that that point i don't know how long oh yeah yeah yeah be the one yeah in the guy who else would it be yeah invent lugal yeah motley you know that reference to you motley lulu time machine motley lulu yeah what's lugal some multi-billion dollar thing i did once no big deal perfect that's awesome yeah go for it yeah the the serious answer would be um i like honestly like like and i it feels kind of like i would say like it's not always easy yeah um and i and i think i would say that um like not to brag or anything but like whether it was like athletics with soccer or school um friends whatever it all came easy like i was always kind of um you know at the the top of like whatever yeah the thing was um and like now like i look back to the start of my career and like when i graduated college and like i was not top dog anymore um like i thought i was it wrecked me uh sure and like did not know how to cope with that for like a while sure totally understand it's a big one man yeah i like that it was very very tough and so like i think i would eat i mean yeah encourage like do the things you want to do yeah have fun with help but like just know that it's like it's not always going to be easy and like yes that's okay i think is yeah is the the second half of that message like it's not always going to be easy but not to discourage you but like it's okay and you'll get through it and you'll grow yeah yeah there's there's growth in that yeah well in a lot of ways to encourage rather than discourage like to your point it's like because i was talking to somebody about this today funny enough what are all the really like cliche things i can say well you gotta if you're a bow and arrow you got to get pulled back to be shot forward yeah right right aim for the moon because if you miss you land amongst the stars like what other yeah other inspirational things gonna throw out there but yeah i mean that's a that's a great point because um i don't know i mean i think the reality is is that there is i would say is a lot of times right now too with some of the rose-colored glasses that parents are putting on their kids um that they're just going to expect things to fall on their laps and like everything's going to be easy and but this is the thing i hear a lot but i want it yeah great i want a billion dollars that's my response every time yeah it's a good one i want a billion dollars i want a ferrari i want i want i see i can go on too yeah i mean and it's yeah wanting is only half of it right not even half it's like a quarter maybe even less yeah you know there's a lot more to it than that yep yeah and i think part of that it's like also just like with thinking about like you know the giving the kids what they they want and like the praise all the time it's like i think about like because i was like good at these things like i was getting the praise all the time right and when i got older and things were not going well and i wasn't getting the praise it's like yeah oh my goodness like i suck at everything oh yeah right do anything yeah um it's like that's part of it part of it too yeah i remember a moment like this coming into college baseball um i i necessarily didn't like come in thinking i was just like better than everybody else because going in you have a there's a lot of humbling experiences going into college athletics it's like you're just naturally going to be you're going to be worse and a lot of guys are there based on experience alone um and i remember it must have been my junior year sophomore year maybe and a kid came in and he was like yeah you know this and this and this about high school and i was the best part of my team i did this i was like dude we talked about this look around you was everyone here everybody's here because they were the best on their team right like and i mean it's just the reality like i mean come on you know and having that mentality is a lot of ways i think what what would have changed if you didn't know those things like that the tough exists right like if you just think everything's going to be easy and in a lot of ways some things are just very easy to people like yeah people are just gifted but um that's not the norm right like come on be realistic a little bit you know sometimes it's not going to be that way and having that mentality going into those situations is just a crap way to be yeah yeah and it starts a lot of that starts with the home sure i can yeah yeah i'm sure that's probably very accurate yeah yeah i mean you just said it best you know the rose-colored glasses and yeah because i i witness it oh sure all the time coaching 13u baseball like yeah yeah i got my kids walking in and i'm like and we just had a situation sure first inning and i'll make this quick first inning situation last tournament and i see that my pitcher is wanting to throw a lot of off-speed stuff sure like we haven't even made it through the whole lineup on your fast stuff what are we doing that was a three oh count you're throwing a curve ball like no no so this is after that inning it switched over i don't look no more yeah this is your pitch make sure to locate that just let him locate you based off count all fastballs yeah dad got mad nice dad did yeah it's it's always he's got yeah great this and a great that like what are we doing i'm like he didn't even establish himself yet sure you've got to establish in this game you start getting caught up to on that number one let's throw them a number three let's throw them a number two let's see will he chase won't he it's a chess match well and baseball is such a great example of that and in a lot of ways and i'm sure that there's a lot of examples from soccer as well that are very easily implemented in regular life is the reality that things work well on any given day and things work really really badly on any given day so you have to be able to handle both of those you go back i say this a million times if all days are good days no days are good days so it's an example as well like if everything worked every day then i wouldn't even be sitting here talking about it i would be doing things and making trillions of dollars and then do whatever i want but the reality is there's not really a good there is no good mindset that comes from just expecting greatness from every aspect of everything right because it's not going to work that way and the thing that hurt in that situation more than anything was his play was affected because he could hear of course exactly and i'm like right what are you doing and we've talked about that before too yeah yeah what are you doing and i love them i love this this kid and is that i love them to death um but it happened and i'm just like just it's a real thing though and he did come up the next day he apologized to all of us and he said you know that was i was out of line and and we basically agreed with it you know yeah you were you were um but hey no sweat no big deal yeah i i just want you to understand this is why we run it this way and and this isn't any different than any yeah team you'll ever find down the road if your kid plays pro ball it's going to be the same way oh except you won't have a say they'll just tell you don't come back bingo yeah exactly yeah so there's the door let him be here with us and and we'll guide him yep but 100 i agree okay so if uh we got a umpire down here he's an official umpire there you are congrats there he is are you official now you're official hey can you come over here real quick and give us a strike in red when i've heard all about you come here real quick come here real quick did you hear what he just said i got a two inch grip on a seven inch turf that's what you just said what is happening i'm sorry that's hilarious for those for those not watching the video winston just got caught in my headphone and pulled my head under the we have an official umpire on the show and we need to hear his called strike call your strike and then you're called strike three come here come here yeah oh yeah call your strike dude please come on man it's going to be great dude umpire school if you don't want umpire there's going to be hundreds of people watching and you're not even going to call you're going to go you're not even going to do that you should be like sorry everybody i got to go poop yep i got a two inch grip on a seven inch turn this is the guy that's always talking about the poo no no that'd be my youngest one yeah yeah it's still funny okay don't think we forgot about you sorry my dog ripped your headset off oh no that's all right i i was that's life i was bent down trying to pet the dog so i've heard about winston i had to meet him what kind of voice do you think winston has yeah i mean from what i just saw i mean he just ran in came over and did a couple spins and ran out um something oh boy oh boy the guys are here the guys are here podcast time oh yeah oh yeah here we go yeah i get the excited voice i like that yeah but but i've no that is not like the voice that you guys have talked about oh yeah i think he's super proper he is most of the time proper side of winston yet so yeah he's he's a chill dog like for real he is yeah that's awesome best dog i've ever had he only came down just to make an appearance and then head up for his nightly company probably he would come he was come down he might come back he's probably baking a cake up there or something exactly tea and strumpets yeah yeah okay so uh if if brandon wasn't doing what brandon's doing today what would brandon be doing if brandon wasn't doing what brandon was doing today architecture um talked a little bit about engineering um yep that's probably the answer if i would have decided i didn't want to do architecture before i went to architecture school okay um if i'm deciding now um i think i'd be a teacher oh wow yeah that's cool i think i think it'd be cool to be a teacher um i think it'd be cool to like coach and some aspect i'm like at like a high school or something yeah i don't know if i'd want to teach high school sure um but yeah i think about teaching and yeah i think that'd be where i'd want to go just just based off what little i know about you right now i'd say you'd be a pretty damn good teacher yeah oh yeah yeah thank you you have that you have that maybe maybe charisma yeah about you you also have a patience level that is oh yeah god bless teachers by the way yeah yeah no kidding patience is a is a big big key to that and i see that with with the kids too like you you know you play with the kids and teach them how to do what you're doing or what it is that you're doing sure um because let me tell you toddlers if you're building magnet tiles that structure is not existing for more it's not might not even exist all the way through the duration of the structure nope yeah i i don't i don't know if that's patience with me because it does break my heart every time i see the the building go down but then when i see the pile of magnetos like oh boy we get to build again yeah and so it's a it's a dude yesterday i built a flamingo out of uh magnet tiles and it was about the height of this countertop and as soon as madison saw it her eyes lit up all big and crazy got attacked like yeah put a foot right through it and she's like you know build it again i was like absolutely no that's the first time you were supposed to admire it yeah so you know i agree my my daddy heart broke a little but also it was really funny because i just thought it was hilarious yeah yeah yeah so i was excited again that's right girl i'm gonna raise you to wreck things that's right yeah that's right i'm gonna wreck it so um you said that you would potentially be a teacher yeah um i had something in there what would you teach well no i think more so like would you be a teacher of like a specific thing or would it be like a broader thing um i don't know yeah i i don't think it'd be like a core subject thing so like sure that you would get in like middle school or high school yeah so i think i probably would do like an elementary school level yeah um and i think i'd probably would land around fifth or sixth grade sure would probably be able to want to be um something where like you know the kids are starting to like you know be more independent thinkers yeah and i had a pretty uh impactful sixth grade teacher and so maybe that's why i think to that and like sure we did a bunch of fun projects and i just remember learning a ton because we were learning in all of these different hands-on experiences right yeah and right versus like a teacher that would just more of that critical lessons for like the wider thinking yeah yeah and so i think about that um yeah so i think that probably would be where would go if you know i was an architect um thinking back now i do think about like being a professor of architecture sometimes sure could maybe be a thing there you go yeah so you know maybe down the road um yeah do that for a little bit before retiring or something or yeah we had guest professors from like actual firms come in every once in a while when i was in school and so maybe doing something like that where that's fun yeah i could teach and still practice architecture um that'd be really cool yeah i think those would probably would be the areas i'd want to teach in sure yeah that's awesome i think i don't know it's just so interesting because i i think about that a lot that question of like what would i be doing if i wasn't doing what i'm currently doing wow that is just a mouthful man um do you see why he had to repeat that i know i know it's true it's it's tough yeah yeah it's it's not easy um and honestly it it really makes you kind of dive into a lot about like who you actually are right like if things didn't go the way that they did would you really be doing architecture today you know um i don't know i think i think i would for sure be doing something creative yeah um and i mean i think you can be creative with any job but something that yeah yeah and i think i would like the creativity of like planning projects sure plenty of fun ways and unique ways to yeah just subject or something like that i like that really funny too to think about that because technically and on paper i should be flying you on vacations for a living yeah and i'm cutting your pilot yeah sweet yeah it's awesome isn't it pretty rad i fly drones it's not the same pretty close it's pretty sweet it is pretty sweet this is how versus a big old jet this is how we bonded originally yeah the fpv stuff was drone and him finding out i was a pilot and i was like dude what next thing i know i've got this new contact in my phone nick and he sent me drone videos and i'm like yes and he's bringing in his awesome iron man mask for my boys to see yeah yeah man nice yeah that one's that one is uh i put all uncle b in the simulator a few times the fpv is that we're talking about here yeah oh geez yeah could not be a pilot why it makes me sick i can it definitely can it's a it's immersive um yeah that's rad it's a lot of fun all right so i'm going to ask you a bit of a more difficult question i'm ready if you were to describe yourself if you could have to say like this is who i am boiled down into one word or we can do a hyphenated word one word yeah what would what would it be is it coach is it teacher is it you know dad brother husband like what is what is that word in today's version of life for you who is brandon i may have to thank you for giving me one word it's tough it's a tough one we did have a new rule though that was instituted with the hyphen you can you can hyphenate it yeah yeah we're going like super we're going like right right now sure right now or do you want to think about it and come back to it no like i mean like right now like right now in life life yeah in life i mean husband feels like the big yeah one word yeah i feel like that's what that's cool and that's what i want to be yeah right now um yeah i think i would yeah that's there's nothing wrong with that i like it no that's great yeah yeah that's awesome i love it you're interested in some more fun questions always because i got a lot okay i keep them coming nick you're gonna have to start i'm gonna get mine okay okay i'll start okay let me go to this all right here we go what do we get if your stomach growled words instead of sounds what would it be yelling right now that's awesome i've been i mean i've been thinking about ice cream ever since the gelato but also like before nick picked me up i almost like got a bowl of ice cream so i'm like i probably shouldn't do that that's like dairy i don't know what's gonna do like the vocal chords and everything i want to i want to be prepared for this yeah incredible show i'm about to be on yeah um so i'm thinking about that because i'm going to have a bowl okay when i get home so be yelling feed me ice yeah ice cream ice cream i love it that's great what is your voice in your tummy sound like like that i think like that yeah i think so yeah that's a good stomach sound i respect it feels like it's down there low i love it i think ice cream that's a good call i do yeah i like it about that a lot all right uh if you could instantly master any hobby or skill but it had to be something completely useless because i was going to go singing right away okay um but i would argue that's a useful talent yep um i don't know maybe like lick my nose i love it i got a really short tongue uh to where like it's in i feel like i got a show now will the video get me here if i but like yeah lean out of touch there you go that that's as high as i can stick my tongue out um yeah i was i was tongue-tied all trying to touch our noses yeah this is great great podcasting yeah incredible that is classic content that's the dream right there there you go nick can do it i can't yep yeah no i cannot no yeah i mean so i've always wanted to be able to lick my nose and see what it tastes like i guess yeah okay that's fair yeah i like it i do too okay all right we got if your brain had a loading screen what would it say 80 percent of the time i i don't know if it would say anything i think it would just be like buffering radio silence yeah like maybe there's like a little like subtle like ticking yeah um of like a clock um but yeah i don't think there would be be much going on okay i think it'd just be like empty and just be like because like that's what i feel like when i am like buffering or whatever like oh sure i'm not saying anything i'm just kind of like staring off in this space and so it feels like the whole okay head space up there just shuts down and even even with what you do for a career you think it would just because you're pretty just like free-flowing yeah i think i think so okay that's what it sounds like we're kind of like freeze freeze up yeah okay cool yep if you were stuck in a you're not a movie guy you're more of a television show sometimes guy yeah if you were stuck in a television series universe which universe would that be and uh which character from that universe would you be i don't i don't even like the tv shows aren't coming to mind sure sure well do you have a favorite tv show currently let's just start there right now we just started watching how i met your mother great so i've watched it through that's a good show so yeah love that i don't know if i'd want to be and that even though i'm compared to ted mosby all of the time because you're an architect that's most people's yeah that's most people's uh you know perception of a sure an architect okay you're not a helpless romantic that just kind of flounders through world no i don't i don't think that's me hmm it's a toughy it it's a tough so tough i'm thinking of like i guess a big cartoon guy sure growing up um phineas and ferb is what's coming great just with like and i i don't know if i don't want to be like phineas or ferb but like some like maybe the third brother that could also like help build those crazy things sure yeah that probably the answer okay hey i i respect maybe yeah maybe meet perry the palatopos i think that'd be cool there you go that's awesome that is awesome there you go that was really good yeah i've been practicing for years wow years oh and i know he's been practicing other things that's really impressive dang man yeah yeah thank you that's awesome that's pretty cool hey that was good that was that was that was the talent i wished for in the last podcast i was on so heck yeah yeah no i love it just kidding just kidding all right the last time what would be the worst thing to hear as you are going under anesthesia i don't probably someone just like oh shoot not that or like yeah that's the wrong and then just like pause and just like i'm going down not knowing what the wrong thing was whether that's like the wrong person that's the wrong needle that's the wrong spot just like wrong wait wait wait that's the wrong that's the wrong knee then i'm out yeah right that's horrible that would be horrible i don't know if there's like yeah anything that'd be worse than that that'd be terrible it's like oh no me crap yeah i can't even that's that's like a nightmare of mine okay all right got another nick yeah i sure do okay uh this one's pretty easy and i do like this question uh what is your favorite way to waste time great question to waste time i yeah i'm a wanderer pure i like it um yeah i think just wandering um okay like i love going to like stores and just like walking around okay i could walk around i do the same thing drives melissa crazy but i could go to target or whatever some bigger store yeah walk around every aisle just to see what's just aimlessly and walk out the door with nothing yeah an hour has passed hour and a half has passed didn't accomplish anything happy but i saw what target had that day or yeah yeah you know where i completely agree with this yeah uh-huh but i could wander for for a while just just thinking that's cool i like it okay if uh your alarm clock was actually just a fun pep talk what would it say time to get up as peppy as you got i i my i'm one of those freaks that can just like get up get up sure i don't snooze an alarm i i get up first ring and then i'm good fair and so like right now my my watch is my alarm clock it just kind of buzzes but yeah awake and then i turn it off and i am awake i'll go about my day and so i think you just like hey get up yeah i don't think there would be a pep talk needed nothing okay yeah okay okay i respect it i'm not here to judge i'm just here to get the question yeah i like that okay yeah go for it nick all right if you were arrested with no explanation what would your friends assume you did i love this question i think they just i'd hope they would assume i was framed this can't be real like are you kidding me you want to do anything no way there's no way i i don't know if i was a rat and it doesn't have to be i feel like this is a question for nick oh oh gosh both of us a better a better question no like what do you guys know what would you think i would get arrested for oh 100 it would be for trespassing okay that would be my well that would be my immediate assumption because like you said you're a wanderer sure yeah oh yeah he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing walking around i could i could see that or something yeah he's like oh i gotta go look at this place and it's the clits closed but i gotta see it yeah there's no way i can go to sleep tonight without seeing this i think that's i think that's a fantastic shout because i have done that oh yeah that's like without a doubt that's the first thing that comes to mind yeah there you go just it's so great yeah 100 i guess technically that would be under the falling under the breaking and entering category i don't know i'm not a cop yeah i think that's what i was wondering whoever was on earlier yeah yeah yeah because i think trespassing technically has to be a thing that happens by a person not by a building like you can't be trespassing unless it's stated no i mean like i think i i'm not a police officer so i don't know this the rule sure i'm thinking like i think you have to be like trespassed and or it has to be stated that it's trespassing to go on to this place oh gotcha yeah yeah okay that's that's like where like it can be i think it could be a sign or something but yeah probably unlikely if you're not walking right by that sign it should be like yeah this is breaking and entering yeah yeah which is probably more serious i want to ask each other that question though too okay okay so um i'm going to ask you what would your friends assume you did well now everybody's going to have that's going to be the goose thing murder yeah just just of animal cruelty that's i guess yeah this stupid stupid goose story is going to haunt me forever um i don't know probably i am i'm kind of an explorer truthfully too okay i think it potentially would be that same kind of scenario um you're you i don't know me my what do you think would be invading airspace with your drone oh yeah that's probably true yeah well i don't know what do you think brandon i was gonna say like a noise complaint type of thing oh that's actually true like you're always blaring music yeah yeah token nobody can get off of this okay nobody can get off this to be fair i've asked brandon multiple times to go to the concert with i'll go with you hey he's in i don't want to go we're going to blast the there's well i would say you get some tickets but you can't get yeah it was sold out like yeah or i could go third party but yeah yeah it's true it's true there's opportunity i'll let you guys play a bunch of fun games to see who goes with take family dude family trumps that one no it's super fun so we'll have to blast some music on the way home though and then it sounds like yeah i mean you're blasting it on the way here heck yeah listen to two so good so good all right no i like it i like it so um excuse you this thing trying to bite me you see that no what is the most ridiculous thing that you believed as a child that turned out to be wrong oh okay so gosh you get you guys offered me the the lacroix the lacroix the lacrosse whatever you want to call it the reason i don't like that or any soda is because my my mom told my brother and i when we were growing up that drinking soda would stunt our growth oh yeah yeah yeah i heard that yep and so like i never drank soda because i had it i had a tall i had a short friend and a tall friend one of them drank soda he was a short one evidence i needed it was all you had it going yeah it was in your face man now i don't like the bubbles and that's like now translated into like here we are alcohol and different things like that where like i drink water juice and milk and like my beverage choices have not drifted from that of a five-year-old very rarely all of my life yeah you drink anything else we've had like a couple of random one-off like drinks that were like fruity alcohol yeah we've had over time sure but then again it like tastes more like juice then yeah like i think what i think what i think the funny thing that was uh said was like when you came back from the honeymoon it was like eight margaritas or whatever or like pina coladas i think it was yeah i tried i tried so hard to like use the actual like rum in those pina coladas and yeah by like the second day it's like all right bartender we need this one virgin for me yeah and then they were just knocking me the rest of the the trip there hey you know it and i mean you you appreciate i appreciate it because you understand yeah from the perspective of um you know like addiction and things yeah that makes yeah difference so i like it i like it you got another one this is my new whiskey nice le crocs le crocs i do like it though i do like the le crocs okay i like it i like it if where did it go oh if your pet could talk what embarrassing story would it tell about you how do there's got to be a time where like the dog is just like walk like i'm like went to the bathroom doors open and the dog just like walks in and it's like telling some story about doing the stair he's like yeah dude i'm trying to poop here yeah dog's just like yeah telling a story about how the the absurd noises that my stomach and yeah yeah aren't you lactose intolerant i love it okay uh what's your go-to uh karaoke song hmm um probably baby got back all right yes i love it i don't remember how that goes can you sing it yeah i like big butts and i cannot lie you other brothers can't do not um yeah i can wrap that whole thing um and i can do that because my first ipod was like a shuffle oh yeah heck yeah my dad put all the songs on he put that song on for as a kid it said but so you're like all the time yeah so that was the only song i listened to because i knew where to find it in the front of the playlist yeah and yeah i didn't have to shuffle to find it or anything heck yeah so anyway yeah no other words and that probably would be it because it always gets a reaction i love it though it's probably overplayed at the karaoke bars yeah but still yeah still fun okay it is fun i've got one more go for it i want more all right if you opened a restaurant based on your personality what would it serve and how would it definitely fail it it would be milkshakes and cookies it'd be like a dessert type of thing okay yeah um and it would fail because it would just be a dessert type thing there would be nothing else other than like milk and cookies i feel like actually he's on it probably why i would be successful actually i i'd be your number one customer it'd be that or like because i don't know how to run probably true owner go yeah owner error yeah yeah that one's on me i have two great questions for you you can do actually i have three so you're gonna get all three of those but uh the more fun one if you could time travel what historical event would you go see who um it would it would probably have to be like jesus time yes i love it yeah and like probably like the crucifixion and like everything leading up to that um would probably or just like like see the sermon on the mount i think would be incredible dude to see could you imagine um so that probably one um somewhere in like ancient rome i think would be cool too maybe like do a twofer on that one time travel token yeah yeah i love it love it yeah i think the chicago world's fair would be really cool to see sans hh holmes yeah except i would avoid avoid that yeah the shoe who was just give that a google if you don't know what i'm talking about some some serial killer and yeah the time of the hh holmes was there at one time they thought that he was actually the real jack the ripper right was the whole situation and he he was essentially based out of um chicago he utilized the world's fair as a way of luring people back to this place that he had built he bought a building yeah it's crazy the yeah he like bought a building with steps that led to nowhere and like totally yeah exactly and it was very i mean it was yeah it's a crazy story there's this really cool drawing like architectural like axon axonometric drawing of that house with all like the booby traps and then yeah like the doors that are up to yeah it's all it's very creepy but also kind of cool i mean it's kind of i mean it's it's fascinating from the perspective of information yes and yeah and yeah and it just like the drawing and like the architecture side of the well thing and the fact that like you take it back to him he didn't have internet to learn to learn torture technique like yeah he was a different kind of psycho very very crazy minded absolutely there's a lot of crazy people but he was special kind of crazy because he didn't have he made it all up that was that was wild yeah wow so you know world's fair i get it yeah i like it maybe i'd wow we spawn around there on the tour yeah i'd probably skip that one yeah i would too just do the ferris wheel ride the first ferris wheel and see the first electric city light bulbs and everything was oh was that one of the first manned blimps i have no idea like zeppelin i think that i think you're right like because i know that there were some before that yeah but no i think you're right yeah sweet maybe i'd ride that too i don't know that's kind of a hydrogen bomb yeah i would get off before it blew up hey fair point hey don't go to the house don't get in the blimp while it's exploding yeah it's true i would avoid the exploding blimp but yeah you're right it was yeah and i'm not and don't quote me on that that might be real it might not be real but in my brain it feels like it's got a spot for some reason and it's either in my brain or he has convinced me maybe both i'm very maybe both i was told this week that i'm a galvanizer which means i'm very very positive and i'm very convincing essentially i'm a great salesman i feel like i have to say like yes you are and agree with you on that because you're so positive but on the wholesome side of yeah convincing and you're not snake there you're not a snake no and yeah even even when i am not positive he can tell you i've he's been around me a couple times when i've been not happy person yeah um so it's not really a big deal over other people i just get grumpy yeah um okay now since i'm asking everybody and i really need to know your tactics here would you rather uh fight one duck size horse size duck or 100 duck size horses man i was remembering this wrong i thought i got the option of like one horse side duck or 100 you do yeah you do but no like to have us like a pet you can answer that question too i think i think either way i think i'd probably take the hundred horse or duck sized horses yeah fair point i don't i there's i don't think i could yeah i'm not a match for a big old duck any creature that is the size of a horse is too much for me anything yeah that thing can pull a plow nope no with people yeah i'm good i'm out yeah i agree and only because you told me that you were uh you were researching this question now i need to know the answer and effectively uh my wife your sister-in-law whom you've known longer than me hates this question this one's for you this one's for you baby what is your favorite mythological creature and what sound does it make so it's not not a very exciting answer i don't think um but a phoenix oh man are you kidding me phoenix i feel like it's a pretty that's common crazy cool well it's a cool cool mythological creature but sure it feels like a pretty it's a first time here it's okay i'll take it i'll take it phoenix it's my answer and it would or something probably have like a screech i think we need a death screech i think we need to do that uh well you can't dang it yeah you'd have to be on that it only works on mine for some reason i have to figure that part out that's my own fault you're gonna like record me and play that back one day here try my microphone do this do the sound in the mic moving over yeah that is incredible oh you put the echo on that that's right see that's what it would sound like me across the mountain that's right yeah through the valley and over the peaks you know i'm coming you know i'm coming yeah i don't want to be in the way of that phoenix let me tell you kids hide the phoenix phoenix is coming it's a coming yep all right man well heck thanks for coming and hanging out with us it's been a lot of fun yeah it's been a lot of fun a blast yeah been a lot of fun yeah i'm glad you came on man do you have any questions for us i i don't need to answer for you i i don't think i have any questions um but i do do like on a serious note like do want to say something to both of you i mean we've talked a lot about like creativity and yeah um how it like scratches an itch for me and just like making things um i truly do see this as like a creative endeavor yeah and i think it's so cool that you all are pursuing it too yeah that's awesome thank you yeah congrats on on all this congrats on doing it and congrats on doing something that you want to do thanks man that uh yeah knuckle up you know yeah i love it i think it like it takes guts and courage to put something out there and i think that's rad and i think it's cool and you just made it worth it too by saying that because we're truly just here having a good time but we want to shed light on i can tell that too we want to shed light on things that don't get talked about well and we've we've talked about this a number of times it's not about um and not that we are making even a penny on this like it's not about that at all it's not making money yet yeah maybe one day maybe one day yeah because we're gonna get that italian episode someday that's right the italian episode is coming anyone's listen 10 000 um yeah it's it's just not about it you know and i think that we talked about a lot of times that it's just about like being able to have the conversation and open up people's eyes to understand that it's in a world where inherently you're going to get some sort of negative feedback no matter what you do it's okay to just be you yep yeah for sure and sure that's hard sometimes you know and it's not um it's really unfortunate that that's how things are but yeah um i think the reality is like we can bring to light a lot of things like yeah you know from jeff's episode we talked a lot about like mental health and awareness and how important it is to just be aware and understand like yeah you are worth something no matter what you're feeling you are worth something and there are people that love you and it would really impact them if you weren't around shauna minnie's episode great example of how you could be in the middle of the trenches like the very bottom part of your world and you can come back from it like shout out to all these people that are doing that like um you know take noelle for example she's got a big bounce of a lot of different things from back and forth and um you know she's in a position now where she's doing all the cool things that she wants to do because she was able to put herself in a position to do that just by you know riding it out and sticking through it um and if i didn't mention you that's not because i don't love you guys and that i don't love your episodes like you all have something cool to say these are just really important pieces that i think were super cool um and i mean like let's let's take ty for example you know we got cigar boxes and stuff later yeah here like that's a guy that is taking a huge risk and yeah that's okay because that's something that he wants to do for himself and his family and it's paying off now but i bet if you take guts man yes and that question you know a year ago that was different if you asked that question three years ago it's probably a very different answer right yeah right definitely things like that are very important um i know to me i know to you yeah and i know that you are the same way as us like just let people be people and yeah and then there's nothing wrong with that and it's cool because what you just said it we feel it yeah our hearts are in this yeah and to have an impact on somebody sitting across from us right now saying that to it man yeah yeah it made my night i love it man it comes through it comes through the and i yeah i love that it yeah it's comes through the same real yeah yeah it's fun it's uh it's something that i would say anybody can do but a lot of people don't necessarily do um well shoot i i am a perfect example of him telling me no you're you'll be good at that no let's do this yeah we both have something yeah and then we can bring people on to bring another thing and yeah like now man i don't know i don't know the world needed marine nick and land nick to come together yes man right here we are marine nick and land nick i love that so cool man so cool it's a lot of fun so thank you for saying that yeah yeah i really appreciate that i do mean it yeah i know it's awesome i can tell yeah i appreciate that a lot of fun and we enjoy getting to do it so yeah i think we're bringing something to people that um hasn't quite been brought yet yeah yeah maybe it has but not like this not like this it's our way creature sounds certainly not like mythological creatures it's our way that's right yep and no matter what that's okay yep until next time folks this will close the door on another episode of unspoken with nick and nick take a look at our instagram at the underscore it's unspoken underscore pod and let us know all of your fun exciting topics and or questions and or if you have somebody that you want to see come on the show let us know because that'll be a lot of fun yeah please let us know yeah i didn't even mean for it to rhyme but hey look at me go nailed it so um until next time thanks everybody for listening we appreciate it more than you know brandon thanks for coming and hanging out with us yeah yeah really appreciate your time tonight yeah that was a lot of fun super super fun glad we got to make it happen and until next time nick i had fun i had fun yay i'm nick still brandon still brandon and this has been unspoken with nick nick and brandon everybody until next week we love you have a great week later all later welcome to unspoken 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