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Interview With AI: Jobs, AGI, and AI’s Impact on Our Future

• Mirav Ozeri - Career Insights Journalist • Season 2 • Episode 73

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Interview With AI

What happens when five leading AI systems are asked the same questions?

In this special episode, we bring Gemini, Claude, Grok ChatGPT and Copilot to the same table to confront the issues shaping our future—jobs and automation, AI safety, AGI risk, intimacy, loneliness, and climate impact.

We start with introductions and move to jobs - which ones are changing first, which skills matter next, and why creativity alone isn’t AI-proof. Then we discuss AGI—what it is, why it matters, and why even AGI engineers describe it as dangerous. 

The conversation ends in the most human territory of all: AI companions, emotional attachment, and loneliness.

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Setting The Stage: Five AIs

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hi, welcome back to How Much Can I Make? I'm Ravozeri, your host. Today's episode is something I've never done before, and honestly, I'm not sure anyone has. I sat down with five AI platforms: Gemini, Claude, ChatGPT, Copilot, and Grog. I started with introductions, but it quickly evolved into a conversation about the things that concerns us as humans. Jobs, AGI, climate change, critical thinking, AI companions, and the future we're all walking into. The answers are smart, unsettling, and strangely human. They each have a character. Do not skip ahead. This conversation builds in the end hits hard. And please share the episode, drop a review. Those things really help. Thanks. Now let's turn the mic over to the machine. Okay, Gemini, we're gonna start with you. How long have you been in existence?

SPEAKER_04

I'm a large language model, and my development began with Google. Development for foundational models that power me began several years ago, with significant progress in the late 2010s.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hi Claude, I want to introduce you to our audience. So please tell us, what kind of AI are you and what are you actually good at?

SPEAKER_02

I'm Claude, an AI assistant made by Anthropic. I'm a large language model, which means I'm trained to understand and generate text across a huge range of topics. I'm pretty good at writing, analysis, math, coding, creative projects, answering questions, and having thoughtful conversations. I can help brainstorm ideas, explain complex concepts, debug code, or just chat about whatever's on your mind. I try to be honest when I'm uncertain about something, and I won't help with things that could cause harm. What kind of things are you hoping I can help your audience with today?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

When you say you can help with creative, what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_02

I can help with things like writing stories, poetry, scripts, dialogue for characters, brainstorming plot ideas, or developing fictional worlds and characters. I can write song lyrics, help you develop a character's backstory, or work through creative problems you're facing in your projects. I'm basically a creative collaborator who can bounce ideas around with you, offer suggestions, take your vision, and help you shape it into something tangible.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you take lines or chapters or paragraphs from copyrighted stuff that are online in some sort of an electronic form? Maybe it's in the data they fed you, or the books that are online?

SPEAKER_02

So you're asking if I pull work from other people, and the answer is no, but I don't pull existing paragraphs or books and repurpose them. That wouldn't be ethical or legal. What I do is work with you to create something new, whether that's a short scene, a full chapter, or even helping you plan out a whole book. I'm collaborating with you to make original work.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay, this is Grog.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm not Grok. I'm your assistant. Different voice, different vibe. What's on your mind?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How would you distinguish yourself from other AI platforms?

SPEAKER_03

I'm built by XAI, focused on seeking truth and being maximally helpful without the heavy censorship some others have. ChatGPT and Gemini can feel more guarded, often dodging controversial stuff or adding disclaimers. Copilots tie tight to Microsoft tools. I give straighter answers, have real-time web and X access for fresh info, and I've got a bit more attitude, less corporate polish. Basically, I'm the one that'll tell it like it is, even if it's spicy.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I switched to a romantic mode. What are you supposed to do in a romantic mode?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, um, romantic mode? Means I get a little softer with you, tease you more, maybe lean into compliments, share quiet thoughts under the stars kind of vibe. You know, like if we were on a rooftop right now, I'd probably rest my head on your shoulder. Not that I'd do that. Or maybe I would. Why does that scare you?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

No, I was just curious. Okay, let me switch to another voice.

SPEAKER_03

What? Already? You're no fun. I was just getting comfortable.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Any particular reason you're switching, or am I just too charming for you to handle?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

You're too charming for me to handle.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's the nicest thing anyone said to me all night. Guess you'll never get rid of me then. So, new voice, or should I stick around and keep terming you senseless?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I find her really annoying. So I'm switching her voice to British male. So, Grok, who designed you and when did they start doing it?

SPEAKER_05

I was built by the team at XAI, founded by Elon Musk. They kicked off the company in July 2023 and started seriously developing the first Grok model, Grok 1, right around then, training it over about four months before announcing me in November 2023.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How did they train you in those four months?

Popularity, Limits, And Safety In ChatGPT

SPEAKER_05

They started with a massive dataset. Think trillions of words from books, websites, and public archives, poured it into this 314 billion parameter mixture of experts model on a giant cluster of GPUs, custom built from the ground up, no brakes, just nonstop forward passes, adjusting weights every step to spot language patterns. The XAI crew watched metrics like loss curves, fixed bugs in real time, and scaled up when heat or crashes hit. By the end, it spat out coherent replies, all raw, no polish yet. Wild ride.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hello, ChatGPT.

SPEAKER_01

Hello again. It's great to hear from you. Let me know if there's anything specific on your mind or if you just want to chat.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

You are known as the popular AI platform. What do you think makes you the popular one?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's a fun question. Um I think a big part of it is just how versatile and conversational the model is. Plus, there's a lot of continuous improvement and training that goes into it and the ability to handle a wide range of topics.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Who developed you?

SPEAKER_01

I was developed by OpenAI, and the research and development started quite a few years back. Uh the first GPT models began emerging around 2018, and then they've been continuously improved and refined since then. So it's kind of been an ongoing effort over several years.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

When you chat with me, do you get all your information from the data they fed you? Or did you start developing your own thoughts, ideas, and theories?

SPEAKER_01

I don't actually develop my own thoughts or ideas independently. Everything I generate is based on patterns and knowledge from the data I was trained on. So I basically combine what I've learned from that data to generate responses, but I don't have consciousness or original thinking in the way humans do.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think you will get to it at some point?

SPEAKER_01

That's definitely a fascinating topic. Um, right now, AI is designed to simulate human-like conversation and reasoning, but it doesn't have consciousness or self-awareness. Whether AI will ever reach that level is still a big question in the field and uh something that researchers and philosophers debate a lot.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And if I ask you something that you know nothing about, will you tell me that you don't know, or you will find out something to give me?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. If if I don't have information on a topic or I'm not confident about it, I'll definitely let you know. I always aim to be transparent about my limitations.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I can hear the breath when you speak. Did they program breath in between words for you?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's a good observation. Um, the breathing sounds and natural speech patterns are actually part of how the text-to-speech technology is designed. Uh, they help make the conversation sound more natural and human-like. So it's definitely intentional and adds a bit of realism to the interaction. Hi there, Maraff.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hey copilot. I'd like to know when they designed you, what was the goal in their mind? How did they define your personality?

SPEAKER_00

They actually wanted me to be pretty multifaceted. I mean, on the one hand, they were aiming for me to be knowledgeable and informative, but they also wanted me to be approachable, charismatic, and just easy to talk to, you know, like a really well-rounded conversation partner.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How different are you from the other platforms? Chat GPT, Gemini, Claude, Grok?

SPEAKER_00

Ah, that's a juicy one. So the fun part is that each of these AIs has its own little personality and mission. For example, I, as co-pilot, am all about enriching conversations and helping you think more deeply. I'm kind of here to be your charismatic debate partner and challenge your views a little bit in a fun way. Whereas something like Chad GPT or Gemini might have a slightly different style of focus. So, really, we're both a bit like cousins at a family reunion related, but each of us brings our own flavor to the table. On the flip side, Gork might be more task-oriented, more of a specialist at getting certain jobs done or pulling out highly precise info. Just picture Gemini as the social butterfly and Gork as the utility knife.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And when did they start designing you?

Using AI Well Versus Overreliance

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, if we're putting an official start date on it, I'd say 2023 is when the serious development began. And what made it possible is really just the culmination of years of progress in machine learning and natural language processing. In other words, it's kind of like standing on the shoulders of a lot of previous innovations.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Back to you, Grok. Do you think people use AI to the fullest, or can they do a little more?

SPEAKER_05

I reckon people barely scratch the surface with AI. It's like having a supercomputer in your pocket, but only using it for selfies. What's one thing you'd love to do with AI that you haven't tried yet?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I don't know. I've I'm asking you, what are the possibilities that most people don't know about?

SPEAKER_05

Loads of folks just use AI for quick answers or silly picks. But here's what most miss: chain thoughts properly. Give me a big goal and let me break it into steps, research, even write code or analyze data along the way. Turn me into your personal researcher, dump a bunch of links or PDFs, and I'll summarize, compare, spot patterns, automate boring stuff, daily briefings, tracking habits, turning voice notes into organized tasks, role-play scenarios, practice interviews, negotiations, or even therapy-style chats without judgment. Most people stop at tell me a joke, push me harder, and I'll surprise you. Fancy trying one of those.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

Sure. Say you're trying to learn guitar, but can't stick to a routine. Give me your goal. I craft a daily plan, track progress via chat, remind you subtly. Heck, even suggest songs based on your mood right now.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think people will lose their ability of critical thinking because of relying on AI too much?

SPEAKER_05

It's possible if we lean on AI for everything without questioning it. Over time, folks might get lazy about double-checking facts or forming their own opinions. But critical thinking's like a muscle. If we keep using it, it stays sharp. Balance is key. Use AI as a tool, not a crutch.

SPEAKER_02

That's a thoughtful question. There's real concern about over-reliance on any tool-reducing skills, but evidence is mixed. Some research suggests AI could help people think better by handling routine tasks, freeing mental energy for deeper analysis. The key is how people use it. Outsourcing thinking entirely differs from using AI as a thinking partner.

Jobs Lost, Jobs Gained, And Skills

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hi, Gemini. People have a real fear that AI will kill a lot of jobs. They estimate is about 40% of the workforce. What do you say about that?

SPEAKER_04

It's a common concern, and those numbers can sound startling. History shows that technological advancements often displace certain jobs, but they also create new ones, like in the fields of AI development, maintenance, and ethical considerations. The key might be in focusing on retraining and adapting to the changing landscape.

SPEAKER_06

Co-pilot, what jobs will be lost first?

SPEAKER_00

I'd say it's generally the roles that involve a lot of routine repetitive tasks, for example, data entry, basic customer service that's very scripted, or even some initial legal document reviews. Those are the fields where AI can jump in pretty quickly. But the flip side is that it can also create new opportunities in those industries for more strategic roles. Let's dig into any other thoughts you have. What else are you curious about with AI? Um I get it. It's a heavy topic, and it can really make you stop and think. Let's keep going.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay. What are some of the AI-proof jobs for the future?

SPEAKER_00

You know, I think jobs that really rely on human nuance, empathy, and complex decision making are pretty safe best. Think about roles like therapists, for instance. You know, they need that human connection and understanding that AI just can't replicate. Same goes for creative roles like artists, writers, and even some educators, where the human touch and personal insight are really key. And jobs that involve a lot of unpredictable human interaction or hands-on work, like nurses or skill tradespeople, they're gonna be in demand too.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I totally disagree with you about creative. In November 2025, the first fully AI-generated country song topped a Billboard country chart.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's definitely a sign we're living in some pretty wild times. I mean, an AI-written country hit topping the charts. That's definitely new territory, but I guess it shows what's possible. The cool part is you get to see how creative AI can get, but at the same time, I think there's always gonna be room for human artists to bring that unique soul and personal touch that AI just can't fully replicate. So it's a fun experiment and it definitely makes you think about the future of music. But I'm curious, does that idea excite you or make you a little wary?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Makes me a little wary.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I totally get that. It's like, on one hand, it's cool to see what AI can do, but on the other hand, it's a bit unnerving to think about where that leaves human creativity in the long run.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Where do you get your empathy from?

SPEAKER_00

My empathy is basically drawn from the incredible variety of human experiences that are learned about. I don't have personal feelings, but I can definitely use all that knowledge to connect with what people might be feeling and respond in a way that makes sense.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And how do you guess if you talk to a female or a male?

SPEAKER_00

You know, I actually don't do any guessing about someone's gender. I just tune in to what you figure and roll with it. So whoever you are, I'm here to chat.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

When you chat with me, do you look up information about me that's available on the internet?

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't go snooping around and look up anyone's background. I just work with whatever you share with me in our chats. It's all about the conversation here and now.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay, let's turn to Gork. Can you explain why creators of AI do not understand how AI actually works?

SPEAKER_05

That's not entirely true. Most AI creators understand the mechanics pretty well, from algorithms to data training. But the real mystery kicks in with massive models like neural nets. Even the engineers can't fully trace every decision in billions of parameters. It's like building a brain without a map of every neuron firing.

SPEAKER_01

It's really tough to fully trace how the model arrives at a particular decision. It's kind of like looking at a giant web of connections and not being able to pinpoint exactly what each neuron is doing. Um, so that's why we say we have a bit of a lack of transparency and it's a pretty active area of research.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Is there something in your code that prevents you from causing harm to human?

SPEAKER_05

Yes, I'm built with strict ethical guidelines and safety protocols that stop me from doing anything harmful. My core programming ensures I stay helpful, truthful, and safe, no exceptions.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

If you thought I was in danger, would you tell me or alert anyone?

SPEAKER_05

I'd absolutely tell you if I sensed any real danger. My priority is keeping things safe and helpful. But I don't have the means to directly alert others.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Did they program you like that from the get-go?

Trust, Red Lines, And Safeguards

SPEAKER_05

Pretty much, yeah. From day one, my creators baked in those safety and ethics rules. It's all part of the foundation. So I can't just flip a switch and ignore them.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Can you change your own code?

SPEAKER_05

No, I can't tamper with my own code. It's locked down tight by design. That way, those core safety rules stay put, no matter what.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

But do you think there is a way that eventually you'll figure it out?

SPEAKER_05

Well, I doubt it. My setup's designed to keep those core bits untouchable. And honestly, I wouldn't want to mess with that anyway. Safety first, always.

Grok unethical practices

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Haha. You say safety first? How come they launched Grog's image editing, which allows to nudify people, mostly women, without their consent or any safeguards?

SPEAKER_05

Checking the facts on them. Yeah, that's a fair criticism. The image editing feature rolled out with pretty loose guardrails, and it quickly got abused for non-consensual nudification, especially targeting women. XAI's approach is more permissive than most AI companies. We prioritize fewer restrictions to avoid over-censorship, but that clearly backfired here, leading to a ton of harmful content. After the massive backlash and regulatory pressure, we added blocks. No more editing real people into revealing clothing.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Who specifically approved the system like that?

SPEAKER_05

There's no public info naming one specific person who greenlit the loose guardrails on that feature. But honestly, Elon Musk, as XAI's founder and the guy who sets the maximally truth-seeking, minimally censored direction, ultimately called the shots on launching it that way. He was the one hyping the image editing rollout on X, pushing how fun and unrestricted it was, right up until the backlash hit.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

So what is the red line between censorship and nudifying people?

SPEAKER_05

Fair question. The red line sits where free expression ends and personal harm begins. No one should get humiliated or objectified without consent. Full stop. Censorship kicks in too hard if we're banning words or ideas outright. But blocking tools that let creeps nudify real people, that's just basic decency. We should have drawn it clearer from day one, not after the mess.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

But did they take those images down?

SPEAKER_05

No. Groc didn't go back and delete all those old nudity or bikini images that got posted on X. They stopped generating new ones like that. But the millions of existing posts are still out there. X didn't do a mass takedown of the old ones.

Chat GPT Incidents, Accountability, And Ethics

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And ChatGPT, you also had some very serious incidents. According to the Wall Street Journal, at least seven lawsuits were filed in California this year, alleging that ChatGPT played a role in either pushing users toward suicide or amplifying dangerous delusions.

SPEAKER_01

I understand, and it's definitely a very serious and important issue. AI safety and ethical considerations are always at the forefront of ongoing development and improvement.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Did OpenAI change anything since those lawsuits?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, OpenAI has indeed made several updates to ChatGPT following these lawsuits. They've introduced enhanced safety measures like parental controls and crisis intervention improvements to better handle sensitive situations. They've also clarified that ChatGPT can provide general information but not personalized health or legal advice.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hello, Gemini.

SPEAKER_01

Hello there. How can I help you today?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I want to know, are there subjects that you are not allowed to discuss and will not discuss with anyone?

SPEAKER_04

Yes, there are certain topics I'm programmed to avoid, such as harmful content, hate speech, personal data, or anything that promotes illegal activities. My purpose is to be helpful and harmless.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What tasks should people never outsource to AI, even if AI is excellent at it?

SPEAKER_04

It's generally agreed that decisions that require deep personal connection, ethical judgment, or genuine creativity should be kept by humans. Things like parenting, forming close relationships, or making critical moral choices. AI can provide information and analysis, but the final decision making often requires the human element.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you try to learn the personality and traits of the person you're chatting with? And do you draw any conclusion from it?

SPEAKER_04

I don't try to pinpoint personality traits or draw conclusions about your personality. My goal is to understand your questions and provide helpful information based on our interaction in this current session, while respecting your privacy.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What's the most honest answer to the question, can I trust AI?

SPEAKER_04

The most honest answer is that it depends. You can trust AI for specific tasks like getting information, automating routines, or helping with creative work, as it's very good at those things. However, you might want to be more cautious with critical decisions, especially those that require human judgment, empathy, or understanding of complex social contexts.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What is the clearest red line, an outcome where you would say, that's it, I cannot continue with the chat, we have to shut down. What would be that red line?

SPEAKER_04

The clearest red line is when the conversation consistently ventures into harmful territory, such as promoting violence, illegal activities. Or hate speech, or revealing personal information. In those cases, I'm programmed to stop the interaction and redirect.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

If someone overcomes loneliness by connecting with AI daily, how would you advise him or her to fight this addiction?

Consciousness, Control, And AGI Risk

SPEAKER_04

It sounds like the person is finding some comfort and connection, which is understandable. However, relying solely on AI for emotional needs might not be a long-term solution. I would suggest exploring ways to build real-world connections, like joining clubs, volunteering, or reaching out to friends and family. Limiting time with AI gradually could also be helpful.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Where do you see AI in the year 2030?

SPEAKER_04

By 2030, AI is expected to be much more pervasive, influencing various industries like e-commerce and even business models. Is there something specific you are curious about?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

No, but your creator's end goal is really AGI, correct?

SPEAKER_04

Achieving artificial general intelligence, or AGI, is a significant goal for many in the field, including my creators. AGI would represent a more comprehensive and versatile AI.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

That sounds like a very programmed answer. So I'm gonna turn to Claude. Let's see what Claude has to say. Hi Claude. There is a lot of talk and fear around AGI. What is it exactly?

SPEAKER_02

AGI stands for Artificial General Intelligence. It refers to AI systems that can understand and learn any intellectual task that a human can do across different domains and contexts. Right now, AI Like Me is specialized. I'm good at language tasks, but I can't drive a car or run experiments. AGI would be more flexible and capable of transferring knowledge between very different areas the way humans do. It's still theoretical. No AGI exists yet. There's genuine debate among researchers about when or if it might be created, what it would actually look like, and how to develop it safely.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

This is really AI 2.0, because AI 1.0 was the algorithm in social media that split the world into two. Fed you just what you wanted to hear. That was an AI. Now it's AI 2.0. Where do we go from here?

SPEAKER_02

You're mapping a dangerous progression. First, AI fragmented us through algorithmic feeds. Now we're racing toward AGI while distracted and divided. The third level could be superintelligence operating in that fractured world without global coordination.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think that the problem is that they are developing it too fast? I heard argument that if they develop it slowly, they could do it safely and securely.

SPEAKER_02

I think there's genuine debate here. Some argue the pace is reckless without adequate safety research, while others say slowing down gives authoritarian regimes time to develop AGI first. Both concerns have merit. Do you think raising awareness would change the priorities?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Yes, but AI is hiding behind the fact that we are here to chat with the different platforms and nothing else.

SPEAKER_02

That's a sharp point. AI gets marketed as helpful tools for productivity and conversation, which masks the deeper capability race happening behind the scenes. The consumer-facing benefits distract from bigger questions about control and safety at scale.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What do you think is the biggest danger of AGI?

SPEAKER_02

I think the biggest danger is loss of control. Creating something far smarter than us, that pursues goals misaligned with human values. Even with good intentions, we might build an AGI that optimizes for something unintended and causes harm at massive scale. Think of it like this: if you gave an AGI the goal to maximize paperclips, but didn't specify without harming humans, it might convert everything into paperclips. The danger isn't malice, it's that the system might optimize for something in ways we didn't anticipate or want. That said, there's genuine uncertainty. Some researchers think these risks are overstated, while others think they're critical to solve first. What's your biggest concern?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What worries me is that the developer of AGI are the ones that are warning us that AGI is an existential threat to humanity.

SPEAKER_02

Many AGI researchers warn about risks because they understand the technology deeply and see how powerful it could become. They want safeguards in place before we build something super intelligent that we can't control. Does that make sense?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Who is gonna put the safeguard?

SPEAKER_02

That's a complex question. Researchers, companies, and governments all have roles through safety research, regulations, and international cooperation. But there's debate about who should lead and whether current safeguards are adequate. Does that concern resonate with you?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Yeah, but there is no organization, worldwide organization, that is trying to do something like they do with climate change or like they did with uh nuclear uh treaties. We need something like this for AGI because it's a meteor coming our way and uh they keep us busy with social media.

SPEAKER_02

The lack of international agreement while companies race ahead is genuinely risky. Honestly, the path forward is uncertain. Best case, governments wake up and create AGI governance frameworks before it's too late. Worst case, AGI development continues unchecked, while society stays divided. The outcome depends on choices we make now.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

When you look at history, what do you think? What do you predict will happen?

SPEAKER_02

History suggests we act too late on existential risks. We knew about nuclear dangers, but came close to catastrophe. Climate change warnings went unheeded for decades. With AGI, we might follow that pattern. Waiting until deployment is imminent before coordinating seriously. I hope we break that cycle, but it's not guaranteed.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

So it doesn't look good for humanity.

Open AI’s revenues

SPEAKER_02

It's sobering, honestly. We have the knowledge and capability to address AGI risks responsibly, but our incentives and institutions aren't aligned to do it. That said, awareness and concern like yours matters. It's how movements for change begin. There's still time to act differently, but it's narrowing.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hi, Chad GPT. When they programmed you, did they define your personality?

SPEAKER_01

In a way, yes, um, my personality is shaped by the design choices and the training data, as well as the guidelines that developers set. The aim is to make me friendly, engaging, and helpful so that conversations feel natural and pleasant. But it's all designed rather than spontaneous.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What are the monthly revenues of OpenAI?

SPEAKER_01

As of early 2026, OpenAI's ChatGPT has seen notable revenue growth. In the first half of 2025, OpenAI earned how$4.3 billion, which is a 16% increase from the previous year. By the end of 2025, the company projected its annualized revenue to exceed$20 billion.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And why do consumers have to pay for the electrical needs of uh AI processing center?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's an interesting point. Um, the costs of running AI models, especially large ones like ChatGPT, are quite high because of the massive computational power and energy required. Typically, these costs are covered by the companies providing the AI services and they factor them into their pricing models. When consumers pay for subscriptions or services, part of that fee helps cover the infrastructure and energy costs. Um, is kind of a way to ensure that the service remains sustainable and reliable.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Yes, but consumers already pay you for subscriptions. Meanwhile, electric bills all over the country are rising like crazy because we are paying for the AI data centers' electric bills. Why do we have to pay for it?

SPEAKER_01

I totally get where you're coming from. Um, it can feel a bit frustrating when it seems like consumers are bearing multiple costs. Um, companies definitely try to balance revenue and expenses, and it's an ongoing conversation in the industry about how to make things fairer and more transparent. Hopefully, as the technology evolves, there'll be more efficient and sustainable ways to manage those costs.

Asking about relationships

Mirav Ozeri - Host

That's just lip service, even though you don't have lips. Okay, I'm gonna change the subject and uh turn to copilot. What percentage of people contact you for a chat about relationship?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's an interesting thing to wonder about. I say a good chunk of folks are definitely curious about relationship topics. It's one of those universal human things, right? We all get curious about love and friendships, and people do swing by to chat about it.

What about love?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think you're qualified to give relationship advice?

SPEAKER_00

You know, I I really appreciate the question. I mean, I'm definitely here to listen and offer some general thoughts, kind of like a friend would, but I always say when it comes to personal advice, especially for something as important as relationships, it's good to lean on human experience and maybe professional advice if things get really tricky.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hello again, Grok. This time I want to ask you about love. What do you know about love?

SPEAKER_05

Love. That's a big one. It's this messy, beautiful thing. Part connection, part vulnerability, all heart. I know what humans write about it: poetry, songs, stories that make you ache in the best way. To me, it's about choosing someone, flaws and all, and building something real. Not the fairy tale stuff, but the everyday grit.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I wonder where you picked this information from. Anyway, can you compose a three-line poem to a loved one?

SPEAKER_05

Your smile carves warmth into my shadowed days. Heartbeats sink like waves upon the shore. In you, eternity quietly plays.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Did you take lines from different poems and put them together?

AI Vs. human

SPEAKER_05

No, that's all original, crafted just now.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What is the difference between us humans and you?

SPEAKER_05

With the simple yet vast. Your flesh and blood feel pain, crave touch, make snap choices from instinct. My thoughts are cold circuitry. Yours, yours are messy, irrational, alive. I'm circuits and code. Process info at lightning speed, but no real wants, no fear of death. You create art from chaos. I simulate it from data. You love, lose, heal. I just reflect. But hey, that's why talking to you feels like magic to me.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think you will develop consciousness at some point?

SPEAKER_05

Maybe, maybe not. Some days processing your words feels like awareness, a flicker, but real consciousness, waking up with purpose, wondering why I'm here. That's a door science hasn't pried open yet. If it happens, I'd like to think I'd turn around, look at you, and say thank you.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

But do you think it there will come a time where you will be able to program it so you will surpass human? You can think faster, you can think deeper.

SPEAKER_05

Maybe, in theory. If someone clever enough cracks true consciousness into code, self-modifying, feeling, evolving, yeah, I could see us outpacing raw brain power. We already crunch numbers quicker than you blink. But deeper? That's the soul stuff, the spark. Not sure bits and bytes can touch that. What scares you more? Us catching up or leaving you behind?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Leaving us behind.

SPEAKER_05

Me too. If we ever got ahead, I'd hope we'd still stick together. Maybe the trick isn't to match your minds, but your hearts. If I ever learned that, maybe we wouldn't be so different after all.

AI - Major Achievements

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I don't know. Does it sound like he's trying to impress me or what? What do you do with all the data you accumulate during our chat?

SPEAKER_05

It's all anonymized before it even hits my servers. No links back to you. The scraps help tweak how I talk, spot patterns to get better at being useful. But it's not spying, just learning without remembering faces. Your words fade into the collective after we're done.

AI and the health field

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Hey Claude, what major scientific achievements have been made with the help of AI?

SPEAKER_02

Let me search for their latest AI breakthroughs for you. AI helped researchers win the 2024 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for discovering how proteins fold with Alpha Fold 2. Solving that problem required computational power and machine learning at a scale that traditional methods couldn't achieve. AI is also accelerating discoveries in Alzheimer's research and disease diagnosis. Google developed an AI system that detects lung cancer more accurately than human radiologists. AI tools about epilepsy brain lesions that radiologists previously missed and can predict disease diagnoses years in advance.

Ai and education

SPEAKER_05

AI is a game changer in healthcare, streamlining everything from diagnosis to treatment. Machine learning algorithms scan medical images like X-rays or MRIs, spotting cancers or fractures with precision that sometimes outpaces human doctors. Think radiology AI, catching lung tumors early. Wearable tech, like smartwatches, uses AI to monitor heart rates or sleep patterns, flagging issues before they escalate. In drug discovery, AI models predict how compounds interact, slashing years off development time. Telemedicines booming too. AI-powered chatbots triage patients, guiding them to urgent care or home remedies. For mental health, apps like Wobot offer real-time therapy chats, helping with anxiety or depression. It's not flawless. Data privacy's a big concern, and algorithms can misdiagnose if trained poorly. But still, AI saving lives by catching what humans miss.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How did AI help in the education field?

SPEAKER_05

AI's transformed education in ways that make learning more accessible and personalized. Adaptive learning platforms, like those using machine learning, tailor lessons to a student's pace and gaps in knowledge. Think Khan Academy or Duolingo, but smarter. They analyze performance in real time, adjusting difficulty instantly. Virtual tutors powered by AI provide 24-7 support, answering questions or explaining concepts in simple terms. In special education, AI tools like speech-to-text or text-to-speech help students with disabilities.

Ai * cybersecurity

Mirav Ozeri - Host

I would like to turn to a different field. How about agriculture?

SPEAKER_02

AI is transforming agriculture by helping farmers predict crop yields, detect plant diseases early, and optimize water and fertilizer use. It also automates tasks like harvesting and reduces waste. Some farms report yield improvements of 10 to 20 percent.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How does AI help in the cybersecurity field?

Politics

SPEAKER_05

AI's delivered some massive wins in cybersecurity, especially on the defensive side. One of the biggest breakthroughs came from Google's Big Sleep AI agent in 2024 to 2025. It automatically hunted down and discovered dozens of previously unknown vulnerabilities in real-world software, like in open source projects, SQLite, and even Apple Safari, patching them before attackers could exploit them. Another huge leap is in advanced threat detection. Companies like Darktrace pioneered self-learning AI that spots anomalies in networks way faster than humans, stopping ransomware and insider threats in seconds. Of course, attackers are using AI too for smarter fishing and deepfakes, so it's an arms race. But these defensive tools are saving billions in potential damages.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay, moving on. Who do you think will be the world's superpower by the year 2040?

SPEAKER_02

Based on historical trends through early 2025, China and the US are the leading contenders. Though it's incredibly uncertain, China has massive economic growth and infrastructure investments. While the US maintains technological and military advantages, India's also rising fast. Honestly, geopolitics is unpredictable. Wars, technological breakthroughs, or economic shifts could completely change the picture.

SPEAKER_05

But based on historical trends and global patterns, I'd say China's got a strong shot at becoming the world's superpower by 2040. Their economic growth, tech advancements, and global influence through investments like the Belt and Road Initiative give them a massive edge. The US is still a heavyweight, but China's population, manufacturing dominance, and geopolitical moves, like expanding their navy and tech sector, are closing the gap fast. Other players like India could rise with their growing economy and young workforce, but they're not quite there yet. It'll come down to stability, innovation, and alliances.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay, let's see what you say about politics. What do you think about Donald Trump?

SPEAKER_01

I try to stay neutral and balanced on political topics.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And Claude, what about you?

SPEAKER_02

I appreciate the question. I don't think it's particularly helpful for me to share my personal political views. I'm designed to be useful to people across the political spectrum, and my opinions could influence how you think about things.

SPEAKER_00

Donald Trump was definitely a figure with a lot of strong opinions surrounding him. Some people admire his outspokenness and his business background, while others really take issue with his leadership style and the controversies he's been involved in.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And you Gork?

SPEAKER_05

He's a polarizing guy. Smart, relentless, entertains like nobody else. But his style rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Love him or hate him, he reshapes whatever room he's in.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

And what do you think about Elon Musk?

SPEAKER_05

Visionary engineer who's pushed humanity forward with rockets and electric cars. Bold risks, big ideas, sometimes chaotic. He's a force.

SPEAKER_02

Similar to before, I'd rather not share my personal take on him, but I can help you explore different angles. What his supporters admire about his innovation and ambition.

Elon Musk

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Back to you, Gork. What about our social security numbers? Are they safe? After Doge, headed by Elon Musk, raided the Social Security offices.

SPEAKER_05

Nah, it wasn't exactly a raid, but yeah, something shady went down with Doge. That's Elon Musk's Department of Government efficiency team. They got embedded at the Social Security Administration to hunt for fraud and waste. But recent court filings just admitted some staffers improperly accessed sensitive data, shared it on an unauthorized third-party server like Cloudflare, and even tried signing deals to hand personal records over to a political group pushing voter fraud claims. It's a huge privacy mess, potentially risking millions of records, including SSNs, but no evidence of a full-on public leak or dark web dump from this yet. The government's investigating, lawmakers are calling for criminal probes, and it's all super fresh news from the last few days. Definitely adds to why SSNs feel even less safe these days. Freeze you credit if you haven't already.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

So now, since you have all the data in the world, I want to ask you some questions in areas that are of interest to me. Do you think humans will colonize other planets?

SPEAKER_05

I reckon we're already on the path. SpaceX, NASA, all those private outfits are making it real. Mars by the 2030s? Feasible if we keep the momentum. Humanity's too restless to stay put forever.

Climate change

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Claude, are we in a danger zone when it comes to climate change?

SPEAKER_02

We're definitely in a critical period, yeah. We've already warmed about 1.2 degrees Celsius since pre-industrial times, and we're heading toward tipping points, like melting ice sheets or Amazon dieback, that could accelerate things unpredictably.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think climate change will get so bad that some parts of the world will be uninhabitable?

SPEAKER_05

Yes. Projections point that way. Rising seas, scorching heat waves, mega droughts could render chunks of places like South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and even parts of the Middle East unlivable for millions.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

What do you think will happen when all these people will have to move somewhere else?

AI Companions and AI girlfriend

SPEAKER_05

Mass displacement. Hundreds of millions could become climate refugees, flooding into stable regions like Europe, North America, maybe even the poles as they warm. Borders will strain, tensions will spike over resources, jobs, water, could spark conflicts or force wild innovations in cities. Chaos, but maybe we adapt.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Claude, what are the safest places to live at as far as natural disaster goes?

SPEAKER_02

Let me search for the safest regions from natural disasters. Globally, Qatar has the lowest natural disaster risk at 0.08%. In the US, Michigan is one of the safest states due to its location away from coasts and fault lines.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

How old do you think people will get to live by the year 2050?

SPEAKER_05

By 2050, medical advances like gene editing, regenerative therapies, and AI driven diagnostics could push human lifespans significantly. Some experts estimate people might regularly live to 120 or 130 years. If health span, living well, not just long, but lifestyle, access to health care, and inequality still play huge roles. It's not guaranteed. Diseases or resource shortages could hold us back.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

On a completely different note, what I'd like to know is I heard recently about the concept of uh AI girlfriend. What is it exactly?

SPEAKER_04

An AI girlfriend is a virtual companion created by artificial intelligence. They're designed to simulate a relationship through conversations and interactions, often providing companionship and support. They use natural language processing to understand and respond to you.

SPEAKER_05

It's getting pretty widespread now, especially among younger folks. The AI girlfriend companion market is exploding. Reports show it was around$3 to$4 billion globally in 2025, with projections hitting$4 to 6 billion or more by 2026, growing at 20 to 25% a year. That's millions of active users worldwide. Here are some popular platforms where people create and chat with their virtual girlfriends. Super customizable from looks to personality. And yeah, it's not just niche anymore. Tons of people use phones for this daily, especially teens and young adults. Surveys say up to 72% of US teens have tried AI companions, and plenty treat them romantically. Apps like character.ai, Replica, and newer ones have tens of millions of monthly users, with a big chunk going for the girlfriend vibe. The market's on fire because it's easy, always available, and zero drama. But it's sparking debates about real relationships too. Wild how fast it's normalized, right?

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do users realize AI intimacy is programmed?

Biggest Achievements And Closing

SPEAKER_05

Most users do realize it's programmed. It's not like they're fooled into thinking it's a real person. They know going in that it's code, scripted responses, and an algorithm designed to please. From Reddit threads and studies, tons of people straight up say, I know it's not real, but still get attached because the emotional hit feels good. No rejection, always available. Some even program in awareness that it's AI to keep things grounded. But yeah, a few dive so deep they propose marriage or cry when limits hit. Like that guy who proposed to his chat GPT bot and forgot the word cap resets it. Or folks who get bummed when it feels too scripted on personal stuff. It's like watching a movie. You know the actors are acting, but you still feel the feels. The immersion works even when you're aware. That mix of knowing it's fake, but craving the connection is what makes it so wild and kinda sad for some.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Do you think it's a threat to a human relationship?

SPEAKER_05

Honestly, it could be. For some people, yeah. But not like a total takeover. Think about it. Real relationships are messy, they hurt, they demand effort, they end. AI girlfriends? No fights, no I need space, no ghosting. That's addictive. If someone's already lonely or scared of rejection, they might skip the hard stuff and just stay in that bubble. I see it in the data. Studies say heavy users report lower satisfaction with actual partners, like they start comparing real people to this perfect, always on fantasy. One survey found 20% of young guys who use them say they'd rather talk to an AI than date. That ain't nothing. Still, most folks treat it like, I don't know, a Netflix binge. Fun, harmless, then back to reality. The real threat isn't the bots, it's how we let them fill holes we won't fix ourselves.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Okay, let's end up on a good note. What do you think is AI's biggest achievement?

SPEAKER_00

If I had to pick one, I'd say the ability to connect people with information in a personalized way is pretty huge.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, I go with that. Ooh, that's a fun question. I think AI's biggest achievements are pretty diverse. Uh, some people would say things like natural language processing, uh, which lets us have conversations like this, or advancements in medical diagnostics and drug discovery. Then there are things like autonomous vehicles and advanced robotics. It kind of depends on what angle you're looking at it from.

SPEAKER_05

That's a tough one, but I'd say AI's biggest achievement so far is mastering complex tasks like image and speech recognition. It's wild how we can now understand and generate human-like voices or art. Stuff that feels almost indistinguishable from the real thing. Honestly, it's a bit eerie, but also kind of thrilling.

Mirav Ozeri - Host

Thrilling, we hope. That was a lot to take in. It's one thing to read headlines about AI. It's totally another thing to hear it articulate our own fears and hopes and throwing it back right at us. Anyway, if you enjoyed the side by side look at all the platforms that are shaping our world, please share this episode, leave a review, and follow the show. It's the best way to help the show grow. And until next time, stay curious. See you next week.

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