Ashli Babbitt's Death: Hero or Hypocrisy? Deadly Force Rules Broken on January 6

In this hard-hitting episode, Macky Outlaw and Jus break down the shooting of Ashli Babbitt during the January 6 Capitol events. An unarmed Air Force veteran and mother was fatally shot while climbing through a broken window in a barricaded door—yet the officer who pulled the trigger has been widely labeled a hero and cleared of any wrongdoing.

We examine how this case directly contradicts the long-standing American legal standard on deadly force: Deadly force is generally not authorized to protect property or to eject a simple trespasser. In the United States and similar legal systems, deadly force is only legally justified when the occupant reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent imminent death, serious bodily harm, or the commission of a violent felony (such as arson or rape).

Was there truly an imminent threat of death or serious injury to justify lethal force against Babbitt? Or was this a case of selective enforcement and political narrative overriding consistent rules? We discuss the video evidence, official investigations, the double standards in how force is applied, and what this means for equal justice under the law.

If you're tired of "rules for thee but not for me" when it comes to use-of-force standards, this episode is for you. Tune in for a no-holds-barred conversation on accountability, self-defense principles, and why the hero label here raises serious questions.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

All right, do you should we record another episode? We are. You believe people are still listening to us? Really? Yeah. Well, they're smart. Two podunks. One from Pennsylvania and one from Alabama, right? Yeah, but they're smart. You're you grew up in a small town, Pennsylvania, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Yeah, small coal mine town. Different accents. We just similar backgrounds. Instead of y'all, we say used guys. Use guys and listen instead of Sopranos style.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

What's that beer from Penn Pottsville, Pittsburgh? Which one?

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Yingling?

SPEAKER_02 0:26

No, the green bottle with a horse on it. Rolling? Not rolling. Rolling Rock. Yeah. Ain't that from Pottstown, Pennsylvania? I thought it was from Ohio. I don't know. I thought it was some of the under. Yingling's from Yingling. Yingling. Yeah. Back in my day I drank a lot of Ying.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I drank a lot of everything.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

I drank whatever was in front of me. Yeah.

unknown 0:46

Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Yeah, the alcohol in it. I was drinking it. Alright, so we're gonna get started today, but you know, I've got something to get into before we do this juice. Alright, what are we getting into? So, you know, the uh it's been hard, been a long road, but I finally got my award juice.

unknown 1:02

Woo!

SPEAKER_02 1:03

What do you think of that? That is awesome. It's silver. And I'd like to thank, you know, my mom, my family for all the late nights. Yeah. For all the late nights. And, you know, I'd like to especially say, how do we record YouTube videos on stolen land use?

SPEAKER_00 1:22

I I don't know. You'd have to ask Ricky Gervais.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

Yes, he says get your little award.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Yeah. Get your little award. Thank whoever.

unknown 1:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Also, what about, you know, I could say free Palestine, but they're nothing's going on there right now. They're still protesting and stuff. Yeah, I still wouldn't say it. Now they're on Iranian regime side. They're, you know, people are saying, oh, we're for the uh Ayatollah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Why? It he won't last long. Well, they're down to like the fourth, they're down, they're making their way down the list now, right? Yeah, one gets put in at nine o'clock and at three o'clock he's already whacked. Well, the son that's in now, there's rumors going on about that guy. Yeah. They're saying he's injured now, like he's got a messed up foot or something. Yes. But they said his dad didn't like him because he's gay.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

I don't care if you're gay or not, but I know in the Muslim world it's not very popular.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

No, it is not.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

They toss you off buildings and you get disappeared and stuff like that. So he's not gonna last long. I know all these people say that they want Sharia law and all that like that. That's fine. No, I don't want to hear. I'm fine as a man. I'm good. But the women, they're not gonna like it.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

No, they're not. They don't understand what goes on in that country. They haven't been there.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

You and I are good, you know. Yeah. As long as we're Muslim, we gotta be Muslim first.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Well, I'm that's not gonna happen ever.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Not to cut my head off. So yeah. Anyway. All right. Yeah, so yeah, I got the silver button, 100,000 subscribers. Good. That may not be a big deal for a lot of others out there, but for us rednecks down here, yeah, it's good deals. Right here? That's really good. You know how much money we make off YouTube? I have no clue. Through monetization, zero dollars. Ooh, awesome. We get leads off of there for a business, obviously. Right, right. YouTube's the hardest to monetize. It takes a while, but it pays the most. Yeah. Like you can monetize quickly on TikTok and Facebook, Instagram, and that stuff. Well, Instagram's Facebook, but you can monetize quickly, but they don't pay nothing. Right. They don't pay, they pay chump change. So compared to YouTube. So it'll be about another year before we monetize that, but it's we're on the right track, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

There's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Right. But it's all because of you, juice.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Somebody emailed me and said we had your face on the thing. I said, it's this guy.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah, face for radio. I said, it's this guy, I know. He was homeless. And I brought him in. Yeah, it's been a long haul, but I appreciate the generosity. Right. We got a controversial one today. I don't think it's controversial. I don't think it is either. I think it's straight up murder.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

You you you could play the devil's advocate on this, but I'm gonna say, I'm gonna we're gonna throw some scenarios out here while we go through this and say, what if me and you did it? Oh awesome. Okay. But it's the killing of Ashley Babbitt in the January 6th, what they call riot.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Yes, there was the insurrection.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

There were some bad people there, yes. About six. Yes. The rest were just waving flags and hanging out. Yeah. They went in the building, blah, blah, blah. Went into an opening, right? Right. Another thing that makes me mad is I heard Joe Biden the other day say that all these police officers got killed at the January 6th thing. No, they did not. They had heart attacks and strokes and stuff like kill one killed himself or something. Um which is not uncommon in the police force. I don't think it was because people were walking around the Capitol.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

I don't think so either. I think it's because they were mentally unstable.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

They had some other things going on, yes. So it looked like they're being friendly that day, except for one guy. We'll talk about him.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

All right. Wanna read through this? This is off Gracopedia instead of Wikipedia. What do you think of that? All right. We're gonna get bashed for that too. Yeah, we are. I don't care. It's Elon Muskedia. Uh-huh. That'll be okay. Yeah. The killing of Ashley Babbitt. So the killing of Ashley Babbitt refers to the fatal shooting of a 35-year-old former U.S. Air Force veteran by Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd on January 6, 2021, amid unrest at the United States Capitol, where Babbitt, unarmed and attempting attempting to climb through a broken window of a barricaded door to the speaker's lobby, was struck by a single gunshot to her upper left chest near the clavicle. Okay. Question right off the bat. Was she the only one trying to come through that window? No. She was like 14th.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Yeah. All these people came through.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

And you you all can watch the video online. You can pull it up and see it for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

She was laughing and stuff. She was laughing. But and this guy stepped up and decided he was going to shoot into the crowd basically and hit her.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

But but he stood there and waited. And waited. He picked who he was going to shoot. I wonder why she was the target though. Female.

SPEAKER_03 6:16

Really?

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Yeah, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

I think he just was overcome by events and didn't know what to do and got and freaked out and started and shot him and shot into the crowd and shot against the bang on. I don't see it that way.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Well, either way, you can't shoot into a crowd. No, you can't. But I he stood right there. You can see him in the video. He stood there, weapon drawn, and he's just sitting there and sitting there, and he raised it up a little bit, put it down, raised it up a little bit, put it down, and raised it up and went bang. Hit her in the chest.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

Dead. DRT. Yep. Dead right there. So I gave a talk at our church the other day about active shooter stuff. Right. And we've been going through some training trying to get some of our guys that don't have a police or military background with the proper mindset and those things. And I've heard some of them say, and they were removed from the security team, that hey, if somebody comes through that door I don't want, I'm going to shoot them. Okay, well, go by. That's very broad.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Are they shooting at you or are they pointing a weapon at you?

SPEAKER_00 7:13

That's the key things, right? Yeah. Is your life in danger? Is everybody else's life in danger?

SPEAKER_02 7:18

They can come walk through that church all they want. You can't just shoot them. No, you cannot. You could try to physically remove them as long as you don't use deadly force with your hands.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

You can ask them to leave. You can show them where the door is.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

You can use physical, what they call retardants. Stand in front of them and those things. Yes. I'm good at those because I'm kind of retarded.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Yes, you are.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

But this guy did not try to stop anybody. He shot into that crowd, hit that girl.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

He was pressed up against the door right there, the door frame, the wall, whatever that that was on his right side. He was leaned up against it.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

So if people are coming in that building and you're overwhelmed, let's just say you're a police force, you're overwhelmed. You can't shoot into the crowd. You can say stop. You can say all those things. Pretty much. But let them get in, and then we're going to lock the doors and arrest all of you if it's that big of a deal, right? Yeah. But there are people taking tours in a building. Like, oh, look at the picture of George Washington. Look at this. The rotunda. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? It was a normal business day for them. Is it just a bigger crowd?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Now there are some goobers in there that was starting to start. Of course, of course. The ones that the instigators are still in jail now. Right. But this guy, Lieutenant Michael Byrd, a lieutenant. He'd been around a while if he's lieutenant. Probably got a degree. Been around a while.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

I've got an award for shooting her. Right. Let's put it this way, Juice. If we're at my office right now, if some guy's banging on the door, let me in. And then the door, he knocks it in, comes in, and stands in the doorway with no weapon in his hand. We can yell at him. I can physically try to remove him, but can I shoot him in the heart?

SPEAKER_00 8:57

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

I'm going to prison if I do.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

No, you can't. It's imminence and fear for your life and all those things.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And if you look at it, Lieutenant Byrd was posted up right there. And he had a good post. He murdered her. That's my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

That's my opinion, too. He murdered her. I know it was politically driven and all this stuff, right? Of course it was. The loon wing of the Democrat Party. Senator Kennedy calls them in Louisiana. Yeah. The Loon Wing. Like him. Pushed it, you know what I mean, and said, hey, we're gonna let this guy, he's gonna be our hero for the day.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

I think they organized it. They put their little perpetrators, implanted them in the crowd. They're little instigators. Yeah. And they're the ones that set this ball in motion. I really think that they're to blame for this.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Right. I got a good friend in the army. Uh he's retired now. He was a colonel using one of my units. Good dude. I hung out with him. He was just a regular, he was a lawyer in the army, uh Jag, and he did it on the civilian job, too. He's defended some of these people, and he was one of the only attorneys, like the ones that could afford to buy one. The rest of them had these appointed knuckleheads that didn't do anything, right? Public pretenders. Yeah. He was, you know, some of them could afford to pay for one. He they got him. He's out of Florida. And of course, he pitched fits on TV. You can see him on TV. Yeah. In front of judges saying, Why are they being held right now? You know, and they let him go because he argued the law properly.

unknown 10:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Some of them didn't. You know, some of these people they sat there for how many years? Oh, several. Without seeing it without a trial, right? That's crazy talk to me. Remember my little incident in Huntsville? I saw a magistrate within three hours. Remember that? I mean, I was they got like I got in, got booked. I had to sit there for a little while because they had some DUI guys to deal with. But I got booked, and then I saw a magistrate, which is like your assistant judge.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

At like one in the morning. And where's the where's the speedy trial due process when you're up in D.C.? Where is it? That's federal level. Hanging. And this is the federal level, too, so they kind of do what they want. FBI is notorious. I don't care what administration. They will hold people forever. They do. They've been doing it forever. Lincoln even did it. They get away with it. So I'm not sure how. But I guess because there's no oversight. There's nobody to appeal to. Who's going to do your checks and balances on you? I mean the Supreme Court, but it takes how long to get to Supreme? Years. It takes a while, right? Yeah, to get the money to pay somebody to push it.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

It said Bert Bird position inside the lobby to protect evacuating members of Congress. That's a quite I got some comments on that. Later stated he fired as a last resort after issuing warnings, citing fear for the safety of those behind the door and amid the mobs, progress and shattering glass and forcing entry. Okay. Now there's a video out there that shows the members of Congress peeking around laughing, and then they go, you know, they go out the back door or whatever. Right. They tried to make one of Josh Hawley, the Republican from Missouri, like he was running to the building, but then he went back and it was doctored. Did you see that one? Yeah. Allie's like, I didn't do that. He was he kind of he was one of the ones peeking around the corner, like laughing with his camera, his phone and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

But they made up so much stuff here.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Oh they got they got one guy, one officer, what was his name? The the punk phenone. They got him opening a door and letting people in. Like he's a door greeter at at you know the Waldorf. Is he the one that was hollering up on Capitol Hill? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

Yeah, he is a captain. But uh Nat's still around. Yeah. We call him Joy. Yeah. There it is.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

He brings me joy.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

I don't know. It's getting warm outside, so they're giving back around. So it's alright. So it says subsequent investigations by the Department of Justice and U.S. Capitol Police.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

Included that the use of deadly force was reasonable and lawful.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

How about an outside agency investigate that? I bet if the FBI would have looked at that, like a you grabbed FBI agent and lawyer, random ones from like California to come out and do it, it'd have been like, there's no way that's authorized. So but they didn't. They got their people that they wanted to give the right answer. The incident captured on video from multiple angles, including bystander footage, sparked significant controversy with Babbitt's family and supporters questioning the proportionality of force against an individual perceived as posing no direct threat with a weapon. Critics highlighted Byrd's prior disciplinary history involving firearm mishandling. The absence of a body camera footage while official while an official duty. Official reviews emphasize the chaotic context, including the crowd's violent breach and potential for imminent harm to protected personnel.

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SPEAKER_00 13:58

It's amazing. Several body cams didn't work that day, or several body cams were turned off that day.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Yeah, turning them off is uh it's a little sus. Yeah. It is. The one thing I want to come back to here is the proportionality of force. So when you get into a deadly force statement, the legal, whoever, whatever jurisdiction writes it, they're all kind of the same. It has a term proportionality in there. Right. Okay. Proportionality. Juice attacks me with a stick. All right. And then I fight back with a machine gun. That's not proportional. No, it is not. Now, if I fought back with a if he was trying to kill me and I shot him with a pistol, okay. Right. You know what I mean? But you had a weapon in your hand, right? Right. Where people get in trouble too is like bar fights. They get into a bar fight and then they pull it, they cut somebody with a bottle or pull a knife. Oh yeah. Proportionality gets them in trouble, right? Because they didn't stop what they were doing when the threat was stopped, right? Right. And this is a proportionality thing. So nobody is putting hands on this guy. Nope. Nobody was saying, hey, I'm gonna kill you, sucker. Nope. They're just walking by him. Correct. And he decided to shoot a firearm at the next whatever person came through that window next.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

He just, in my opinion, he wanted to be the first one to get that confirmed kill. Really? That's that's that's my opinion. We both say he was wrong. We got differing views, which are still good news, right? He just I I think he wanted to be the man that day. And I don't think it it it was him being the man. I think it was him being a man that made a huge mistake. But to me, that was intentional. It wasn't accidental, it wasn't in fear for his life. He murdered that girl. Right. He did.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

And you say he was looking for that hero moment? Yeah. I think he was overcome by events and just shot randomly into the crowd, the door frame, and hit that girl. Just see here if he didn't look panicked. He didn't. He was just standing there. It's okay if you got your pistol out, you know, show what do you do? Yeah, use a force. Talk, show, use, whatever. Yeah. It says here, following the breaches at the Capitol's east side entrance to the Columbus doors around 212 p.m., portions of the crowd moved westward through the building's interior, traversing the rotunda and proceeding along hallways toward the house wing. By approximately 2 40 p.m., riders had advanced into the corridor outside the speaker's lobby, a secured area adjacent to the house chamber where evacuations of lawmart lawmakers were underway. So, no, this guy was wrong, but one of the funniest things was that dude with that bull thing on them horns on his head standing on Pelosi's desk. The shaman. Yeah. Yeah. I know he shouldn't have been in there, but he had that thing on his head. It was pretty funny. Yeah. He's been in trouble since.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Well, you have to be able to get picked out in the crowd and say hi, Mom.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Yeah. Yeah. He has some substance abuse issues. He's been in trouble since. But it says here riders pushed against the barricades amid chants, such as break it down with individuals using improvised tools to attempt forcible entry. Zachary Jordan Alum struck and shattered one of the doors' reinforced glass panels using a helmet, creating an opening through which others began to climb. The group wielded items like flagpoles and helmets, but displayed no firearms. During this breach attempt with federal charging documents and contemporaneous video evidence indicating an absence of coordinated use of lethal weapons at the door. Okay, there's no evidence of lethal weapons coming through. Nope. If you're waving a flag around my yard and I didn't want you to be here, and I just shot you, what would happen?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

That would be a no-no.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I'd be in prison with Bubba and all that stuff. Oh yeah. Now if you tried to hit me in the head with it and I asked you to stop and you continued, yes, I can do those things. Right. But if you're just waving it around, carrying it under your arm.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Yeah, you're at that point, you're just trespassing.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Yeah, you can't kill people for trespassing. No. You absolutely can't do it. All right. At approximately 2 44 p.m. on January 6th, Ashley Babbitt, a 35-year-old Air Force veteran, standing five feet three inches tall. She was a big, scary thing, right? Huge. And weighing 115 pounds. Man, she was just a beast.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

She was a heavyweight pro fighter.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Positioned herself at the fur as the first individual to attempt entry through the shattered lower panel of the barricaded glass door leading to the speaker's lobby. Video footage captured a crowd breaking the doors and windows with objects, including a helmet and a flagpole, creating an opening approximately three feet by two feet. Okay, like a hole, right? Mm-hmm. Through which Babbitt began climbing after being assisted by others. Reeze frames from security and body camera video show her upper body partially through the broken window being hoisted upward by two other riders wearing Trump a Trump flag as a cape. So she was the first one through. Right. I said it wrong earlier. I said partially through. Yeah. I said it wrong earlier. I said there was more that came by. But uh U.S. police lieutenant Byrd, stationed ten to fifteen feet behind the door with his service pistol drone and aimed at the opening, fired a single round without issuing an audible verbal warning. That's a problem, Juice. That's it's a problem. In the immediate seconds prior to the shot, as evidenced by synchronized video recordings. Bullet struck Babbitt in the left shoulder, causing her to collapse backwards into the crowd. Forensic examination confirmed the entry wound and absence of any weapon on her person at the time. Babbitt was unarmed, no backpack or visible weapons, with her hands reportedly visible, but their exact position, whether raised or a grip in a frame, doesn't matter, subject to interpretation from multiple camera angles and witness statements.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

So yeah, and that's why I said he stood there, he was posted up, and I think I don't that weapon wasn't shaking. His adrenaline wasn't pumping.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

He just thought he wanted to be a hero, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:21

He I don't care what anybody said. That man stood there and said, first one that comes through, I'm whacking. I'm gonna be Pelosi's savior. Yeah. Whatever.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

It was the Senate confirmation, so it wouldn't have been there. But uh on the fatal shot fired at approximately 2 44 p.m., Ashley Babbitt collapsed backwards onto the floor inside the speaker's lobby doorway. Struck in the left anterior shoulder by a single round from the U.S. Capitol Police service pistol. Members of the crowd immediately called out for medical assistance with some protesters approaching to render first aid, including checking for a pulse, attempting CPR, and applying pressure for makeshift tourniquet to stem. You can't put a tourniquet there. But anyways, you can apply pressure. Right. The stem bleeding from the wound. The shooting officer radioed for backup and medical support, but no Capitol Police personnel provided on-scene treatment. At that moment, an emergency response team arrived minutes later to take over care for Babbitt, was loaded onto a stretcher and evacuated. The gunshot halted the crowd's momentum, causing riders to recoil and disperse from the immediate area of the barricaded doors with no subsequent attempts to breach the speaker's lobby. Staff from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office, who had been sheltering nearby, were successfully evacuated through an alternate route and compared, confirmed unharmed shortly after the incident. Well, I'm glad. She was transported by ambulance and pronounced dead at 315. This is this is unfortunate. This guy, I d you know, one thing the officer got scared and shot, right? Or you don't think he was scared, you think he was trying to be your hero.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Either way. I do. He wanted his 15 minutes of fame and he got it. He's no hero, man. He's not. Not in my book.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

You know how many encounters police officers have a day where somebody does something silly and they don't kill him? Yes, I do. Ten to fifteen sometimes. Been on a busy day, right? Yeah. So you guys are going into domestics where people are actu actively punching each other. Yeah. Do you shoot 'em? No.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Why not? No, I roll up. I've rolled up. On a scene here in town over trespassers, and I get there, you don't know who's who at 3 a.m. Right. And there's a gentleman standing there holding a uh 1911. I didn't shoot him.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Why not, Juice?

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Obviously, the laws have changed the rules have changed here since they really changed.

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Right. Because you can't shoot them. Like it. Now he could he could have re arrested her. Why didn't you try to put cuffs on her? Because he had his weapon out. He had he had tunnel vision. He had a one-track thought, and that was it. That's my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Right. She got her hands on the door. We're protecting it. Throw a cuff on her. Hey, come on in. We're gonna put you on the floor. You know, you could do that. Yeah. But shoot him in the chest. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah. And he did. He posted up and he waited for his opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

And knowing her background, if he'd have put cuffs on her, she'd have stopped what she was doing and said, okay, you got that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Yeah. Now you can even hear in the video, you can hear people going, a gun, a gun, a gun, gun, gun, gun.

unknown 23:25

All right.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

I'm not going to get into the U.S. Capitol Police internal probe because it's bull crap. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, I'm going to go out and commit a crime and then I'm going to investigate myself. The U.S.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Department of Justice review, completed on April 14th, concluded that Lieutenant Michael Byrd's use of deadly force was lawful and did not warrant a criminal charge. Not buying that either. Not either. Department of Justice is different, you know, but it's running the Department of Justice at the time. One of those other people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Biden's boy was running it. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Critics I've questioned the probe's reliance on the reasonable officer standard from Graham versus Connor, 1989, arguing that Babbitt posed no direct individualized threat to Byrd or others as she was physically separated by the door frame, displayed no weapon, and exhibited no aggressive posture towards the officer, potentially undermining claims of imminent deadly peril. Okay. So I was in Iraq one time. We were doing a with high threat. We had a principal in a meeting, right? And we were at the Ministry of Oil and right in the middle of Baghdad. All right. Big old building, sprawling building. Where he'd always meet the oil minister. There was at these glass doors on either end of the hallway. And we would go in. You'd send two people in to stand outside the door, and then they would lock those two doors. The rest of us would be scattered around the building on the roof and stuff like that. Right. We had his security guards come in and try to get in, and we're like, You're not going in right now until the meeting's over. And they wanted to holler and scream and started shaking the door, right? And we said, no, don't do it. No, he never brandished a weapon. He finally got the door open. And we moved, we finally grabbed him and moved him, and then they evacuated the principal at the other end. That's what I'm saying. Huh. And that was in a combat zone. Why didn't we shoot him? Yeah. Ah, I'm surprised. We physically we detained him for about 10 minutes before we could get the principal off the site. But you know, we didn't shoot him. And then the local police came and got him. I don't know what they did to him, but they threw him in a car, and I'm sure they rough him up pretty good. Yeah, they probably just had a talk with him over some tea. The local police are pretty rough, man. Yeah. So they didn't have any criminal charges against him. They didn't have insufficient evidence despite the videos going on all over the place. I don't think I think she should I don't think she should have been shot in the first place. Neither do I. I think this guy should have had a murder charge put on him.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Absolutely. Because you and I would have. Yes. That wasn't a justified homicide. That was a murder.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Now Lieutenant Bird is a black guy, black guy.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

I'm not saying, you know, right or wrong, black or white, but with the political climate at the time, they were not going to convict a black guy of shooting.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

No. But if that was a black woman and a white officer, they'd have hung him.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

Yeah, he'd be in jail. He'll be with Sheldon up in Minn Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Oh yeah. Guaranteed. Whoever.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

I just don't believe it. I think the uh family uh got a settlement with a wrongful death lawsuit. I mean, they don't bring the kid back. No, it doesn't. She seemed like a good person in the wrong place there that day. But anyway, man, I just I think it's ridiculous that this guy got away with that. Yeah, so do I. But the U.S. Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger publicly criticized the settlement. They got a$4 million settlement, stating it delivered a sickening message to law enforcement by implying vulnerable there's that big word, vulnerability. To lawsuits and high threat chaotic environments potentially eroding officer morale, deterring divisive decisive action in future crises. So I got it. There was all kind of stuff going on in that building with a bunch of other officers.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

They didn't shoot nobody. No. They were letting them in. They were kind of like, you know what? You guys come in, we got video, we'll come get you later, kind of thing. Yeah. You know, if you do something wrong, we're gonna come get you later. Yeah. We had people from here, I'm not gonna say any names, but they were up there. They didn't go in the building, but they were just up there watching the thing. And they get visited by the FBI down here. Imagine that. They didn't get they were just standing on the steps, not doing anything. You know, they're just hanging out. And uh they got visited by the FBI. And she asked me, she said, Hey, I got an FBI agent coming to talk to me. I said, You can let them come there, but do not talk to them at all. No. And she let them show up and she asked for a lawyer and they left. But of course they did. They never came back and tried anything else.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Because they didn't have anything.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

There's the the they're just doing a dog and pony show. They'll try to get you to lie to them, too, because it's illegal to lie to a federal agent. Yeah, oh yeah. They'll get you on that. I forgot it which one it is, but they'll get you on that. So all right, Juice. We got our opinion out on this one.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah. We'll get some complaints. Yeah, I was just gonna say there's gonna be some people ain't happy with that.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

I don't care. But, anyways, that's all we got for this one. We'll be back in some more controversial topics in just a second.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Alrighty.