Vanishing Messages, Hidden Trails: Why Signal, Snapchat & Cloud Apps Still Rat You Out

Macky Outlaw and Jus are back for a straight-talking episode that might make you rethink your entire digital life.

They start by swapping some classic Marine Corps stories — the kind of lessons in vigilance and situational awareness that hit different once you’re back in the civilian world.

Then they go full forensic deep-dive into the apps everyone thinks are “safe”: Signal, Snapchat, Telegram, WhatsApp, iCloud, Google Photos, and every other cloud-based messaging and storage app.

They break down exactly how these platforms leave behind recoverable evidence on your phone and in the cloud — even when messages supposedly disappear, get deleted, or are set to auto-destruct. From cache files and metadata to backups, sync logs, and forensic recovery techniques that divorce lawyers and investigators use every day.

No conspiracy theories — just hard realities about what actually survives on your device long after you think it’s gone, and why that can destroy you in divorce, custody battles, or any high-stakes legal fight.

If you’ve ever sent a message thinking “it’ll vanish forever,” this episode is your wake-up call.

Raw, practical, and zero sugarcoating.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

There it is. Hey Juice. Morning. How are you? Fabulous. You get the red hat on today. Yeah. MAGA MAGA. So, you know, we did this big long podcast on use of force. Yeah. People lost a missed a point that we were the whole episode was on use of force, not Trump versus liberals. Oh we got into that a little bit. We went there, did we? We did, but anyway, on TikTok, this is the we've triggered a lot of people. They're saying that, you know, everybody should have been mowed down that day and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

So So they don't understand the law? The use of deadly force? They don't.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

So this past weekend, we're it's March 30th, right? We had the No Kings protest. Yeah. I saw videos of them actually kicking fences of federal property, and some of them actually infiltrated infiltrated the ICE facility in Portland. Oh, should they have been mowed down? That's what I ask them. Hey, in that logic, you they should all have been shot in the face. Yeah. With a cannon. Yeah. I mean, you got uh weak liberal men. Well, I'm sorry. There's a difference between liberal and leftists. There is big difference. You got weak leftist men, right? Let's say that are coming in. They're not a threat. You know, they have little chests and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Little shoulders. Their shoulders are kind of sunk in real weird. But what do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

But yeah, use of force. That girl went in. She now everybody said she wasn't the first one. She was the first one through the window. No, she wasn't. That window. She was that window, she was. But for 30 minutes, people were roaming around the building, the protesters. Yeah. Behind the guy. You know what I mean? But anyway. Cops let them in. Pelosi was directing traffic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

I don't know if she was or not. I just like saying that. No, she wasn't, but that's funny. She started the whole thing. Oh, I fully believe she's behind it.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah. I got a question, Juice. Okay. So for the January 6th, what was that committee? The committee that you know said all we're all evil and all that stuff. The lying committee.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

I call it the liar's bench. How come all their evidence was destroyed? Oh, well, because there was no evidence that proved they were telling the truth. They just made up stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

It was fabricated.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Of course it was.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

I mean, there were six or there was a few guys there that were wrong. And if you've trespassed or touched a cop, you should be put in prison put in jail, right? Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

But don't you think if they had all this evidence and they wanted to prove their side to all of the world, they would have released it?

SPEAKER_01 2:25

It should have been made in it, should have been a public hearing. We could have logged into C-SPAN and watched it. Oh yeah. But they didn't have it was all silent.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

No, of course it was. Shifty Schiff. Because they want to make sure that nobody actually said Pelosi's name.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Chipty Schiff. Adam Schiff. Yeah, you know they did. Who's that one from Wyoming? What's her name's? What's it? He used to be the vice president. Cheney's dog. Cheney. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he was real proud of that. Proud of her for that. But Cheney was an extremist. He was. A right-wing extremist. He was. She was the rhino though. Yeah. She just there to make money, man. Right a book.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

That's all it was. She was living off her dad's name later.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Living off daddy.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

That's shame. I love Wyoming. That's shame. Yeah. I don't think the Wyoming Knights were like enough. I would never live there. Really? Yeah. Michael's Cheney's from there?

SPEAKER_00 3:13

There's little Liz Cheney's there.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

They got good ones now, I think.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Yeah, I don't know who they have. You don't care? You just don't care. No. If it was up to me, I'd retire and move to Japan. Japan? Yeah. Did you go there in the Marines at all?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Yeah. Do you enjoy it? Oh yeah. Everybody I knew that went there said they loved it. They wanted to go back. I did. I loved it. There was guys in Fifth Force Recon and Third Recon Battalion that lived there for 12 years. Yeah. Like they didn't leave.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Dude, that it's awesome over there. I I would retire and move back if I could. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

I never went over there. I never I never my furthest east I've been is Afghanistan. So you did med cruises and stuff. I did. I was European, Middle East, all that bull crap. Never went to South America?

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah. You got both sides. Did you South America? I did. I was on the West Coast, so I can do West Packs. And then I hit the East Coast. We did med cruises.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

West Packs, Australia, Japan, Indonesia, all that stuff. Good times. Good times. Thailand. We're not going to get into Thailand. No, we're not. We'll get censored. But then there's the Philippines. Oh yeah. They like the Americans over there. Oh, yes. But uh Yeah, so what'd you do this weekend, Juice? I worked. So what's Speedy's company's name? Michael's Tree Service. Michael's Tree Service. Bing. Yeah. We call him Speedy from high school. Yeah. He did a good job for you this weekend. Wish I had his phone number. I'd call it out on the air here.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Yeah. I have it, but I don't know where it's at. But he did a great job, man. Him and his whole team came in, slayed 15 trees, cleaned them up, out, gone off the property in four hours. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Okay. Is it did they get the stumps up?

SPEAKER_00 4:48

No, I'll have somebody else get the stumps.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

You get a grinder? Yeah, I'll get a stump grinder in there. We had those guys come around. That's not cheap, stump grinding. And you watch them, now it's the equipment you're paying for. Oh yeah, yeah. They turn it on and they kind of just stand there. Yeah, and that blade just keeps going back and forth. Right. But uh it costs you money every time that blade swipes pass through.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

It does.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Make sure it goes below the dirt and then covers it up.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

I thought about just letting them rot out. They'll start growing back if you're not careful. Well, not after what I do to them, they won't. Oh, do you put poison on them? Oh yeah. I'll kill them all.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

They'll start drying up over the next 12 to 15 years. Yeah. They'll dry up enough that I can burn them out. Yeah, burn the ground. Yeah. But so yeah, we know we get a lot of requests juice to talk about digital forensics. And I know you were studying up on that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Yes. It's not my forte. It's not not really strong in my wheelhouse. But you worked with me on some.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Uh how we gather info and intel and all that stuff. And we did a case up in Indiana. I'm not going to get into the names and all that stuff. You went up there and helped me a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Oh, that's the first one we went on?

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, I I remember. But something came back on that where they were like, hey, you know, you can only work digital cases in Indiana. All right. I said that was a digital case.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

We didn't do no surveillance. They said, well, you did background stuff. I was like, that's called reconnaissance.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

You know, we had suspects and we did a background on them. So we didn't go do surveillance on them. We didn't quite question witnesses or nothing like that. But just did a background on them. So I don't know, people were stupid.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah, well, you don't have to do the background in the state of Indiana.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

You can do it here.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

Here from my couch. Exactly. Probably something Clint Eastwood on TV. Too many people watch SVU and well live and Finn Tutuola did this and that. No, that's not how it works. Finn Tuola. Yeah. Finn Tutuola. Yeah, that's what what's his name? Ice T on on the show. Ice T? Yeah. You know, it's interesting that he does I've watched that show. It's a pretty good show, but yeah, the show is good, but I mean you can't base everything on that show because there's a lot of stuff in there that's just false. It's bad information. But people think they're attorneys and they start spewing all this garbage. Well, I've seen it on SVU.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

That goes back to the Deadly Force discussion. All these people are experts in Deadly Force. How many of them have actually seen the use of force matrix? I've I've we you and I practice use of force most of our adult lives. So uh from 18 to 47. In real life, you know what I mean? So yeah, people trying to kill us and stuff, you know. But anyways, the Yeah, they you know, I did that one. We do we do a rec there's always a suspect when you're talking about hackers. We'll do a background and see if they've stolen a subject's identity, those kind of things. But uh we didn't do it, you know, we didn't do surveillance boots on the ground or nothing like that. No, we did not. Went up there and picked up some stuff and drove back, is basically what we did. So but anyway. So we got in this one day about Morrison versus Morrison. That's the deleted message, messages and WhatsApp threads where it was only twelve thousand five hundred, but the lady got half the hidden assets, which was$2.3 million. Right. Right? Good investment, by the way. Yeah. 188 to 1 return on investment juice. That is not bad. You're not gonna get that on the stock market. No.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Well, Nancy Pelosi could.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Well, you gotta you gotta be a member of Congress to get those things. All sides do that, by the way. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Not just the left that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Marjorie Trader Green got rich off of it. Oh, yeah, she did. But anyways, she's mad because she didn't get a job with Trump, but that's why she was fussing. She didn't get hired, so she fussed about him on the view now. Yeah. They told me one other post said, You guys shouldn't be political. You know, it's all around us. I'm gonna be political. So anyway.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Don't make comments about politics if you don't want to hear our opinion. Turn the channel.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

Go to the next podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Anyway, so this one here was a hidden bitcoin. So this guy, what happened was they did a forensic recovery of a phone. All right. And at first glance at the phone, it looked like nothing was on there, right? But they found WhatsApp mess, like traces of WhatsApp. Of course they did. And the cloud footprints, we call it, or some call it fingerprints. You know, you go, you sort of store stuff in the cloud, it still leaves a trace on the device, whether it's the computer or the phone, and then you can track, you know, it gives you a clue, and you track that clue down. That's where they found the guy had a hidden Bitcoin wallet worth 4.5 million dollars. When he found out, the guy's stupid, so immediately he tried to cash it. Oh my god. So you got an explanation and all that. Anyway, people try to hide this stuff now. Now, 1999, when you had a few people had an OKA or the brick phone. Remember those in the car? Oh yeah. My dad had one of those in his truck. Yeah. The brick that thing, the battery would last for years. Oh yeah. And you could talk, you could be in the middle of nowhere, and a thing would pick up a signal.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah. Now the battery lasts like three seconds, and you, you know, this depends on how many apps you got running. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

If I'm using my phone a lot during the day, that battery, I gotta plug it in pretty quickly. So but yeah, the old brick phone. Yeah, that stuff didn't get saved to the cloud. It was saved locally, so you could delete it and get on with your day. Right. But now you don't stuff that you don't even realize is being saved in the cloud. Oh yeah. I was messing with my pool pool vacuum, starting to get our pool opened up, right? And all the data from last year is saved in the cloud. Imagine that. You know, but I'm saying little stupid stuff.

unknown 10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

It's called called the Internet of Things now, right? IoT. Right. And uh everything's saved. Uh the cookies are saved in the cloud, so it makes life convenient for you. But it also can burn you if you're trying to commit a crime or hide something.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

You don't really ever get rid of anything.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

No, it's always there.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

You know, we we don't, you know, used to in the back in the day, they would find clues like where people printed something and they found it.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

That was the mimeographs or you could get rid of evidence back in the day, typewriter set.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Type out a letter and send it in like the Zodiac killer and all that with his codes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Oh, he'd have been busted already now.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Oh yeah. Now, yeah, he would have been happy. Because he'd type he'd put it on the all his little squiggles and arrows and well AI would have figured that thing out.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Oh yeah. We got AI now that uses all the data from I think it's 2000 till now, collected over the internet and figures out things. That's all AI is, by the way. So uh yeah, you know, it's interesting that people try to get away with this stuff and it's hidden, you know, it's out there. So best thing to know if you're going through divorce now, just say, Yeah, we got this money.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Yeah, you complain about it, you're gonna get busted.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

And then if you lie in court and all that, you could get a criminal charge. Spallation, all these different things. All kinds, yeah. Especially if you make that judge really, really mad. So yeah. And it's easy to make a judge mad. Yeah, they could send that thing over to the criminal side pretty quickly. So absolutely. There's some signal messages too that a lot of people don't they think signal is the signal app, it is a secure texting app, okay? But it's between users. Right. So if you and I have signal, it's very, very difficult to do what we call a man-in-the-middle attack where somebody intercepts that message between us. If they do intercept it, they can't encrypt it, right? You know, over the air or whatever they try to they attack that message and get it. Now on the user side, on the device side, it's not secure at all. No. So I think if you get that on your phone and I get into your phone and I can see all your signal stuff. So there's another one here where this guy had 63,000 hidden. He'd transferred it to his buddy, the banker, yeah, to hold it for him. And they pulled that up and they did a digital forensics on his phone and then found those messages and then subpoenaed the banker, and he said, Yes. That's what happened.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

So well, the part of the problem is the these creators, these apps, they tell everybody, hey, we don't save your stuff on file. You know, this is the most covert. Well, what's what's the one the kids use? Snapchat. So Snapchat always boasted, oh, we we once you shut your your phone down or you get out of the message, it's gone, it can't be traced. That is such a lie.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

If I get your phone, it's there, man. Yeah, it's it's somewhere in that phone. Or whatever, tablet, whatever. Yeah. We had a kid locally, and he was taking pictures of girls in high school. He's a high school kid himself. Yeah. He'd been moved between schools like here in the Cab County, they just move him around the school. They don't run him in juvie. They go, Oh, he you know, he messed up over here. Let's move him to the other school. Yeah. Anyway, they asked me to recover the data on that phone. I said, okay, I'll do it. And I had to do it in the presence of you know, a secure I couldn't do it here because it had children on there, right? Right. And he's a child, you know. He's not a child pornographer, he's a this another kid. But it they said it's on Snapchat, we can't get it. So we hooked it up and immediately found the yeah. He's in Juby now, but yeah, anyway. You you it's on Snapchat, you can't get it. Come on. If you especially if you have the device, man, you can get it. So here's a custody modification one. So these are we get these a lot. So recover deleted text message from an 18 month earlier 18 months earlier demonstrated a pattern of a parental alienation. Ooh. Uh using mobile forensic tools. Uh experts pulled the messages even after the sender believed they were gone. The court admitted the evidence and modified custody in favor of the other parent. Illinois courts routinely accept such forensic recoveries when properly authenticated. Similar recoveries happen frequently in family law, proven infidelity, threats, or unfit parenting. So that case was parental alienation. The guy was actually chatting with his child on the child's phone. And the other parent was saying your daddy don't love you and all this stuff, and the kid was recording it, and the parent, the one parent, the alienating parent, found it and tried to delete it, but they recovered it. So parental alienation is not a good thing, man.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, you know, parents that do that, you you have serious issues.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Yeah, you know, they try to make they paint the other person. I don't, you know, if you split up, you might not, you're not gonna like each other.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

No. I my first wife, my second wife, I don't talk to my first wife at all. I haven't talked to her at all. I never badmouthed her in front of my son. Right. Now she did it. Yeah. She was the alien. My current, my my most recent ex-wife. We don't, I'm not gonna bash my daughter in front of her or bash her in front of my daughter, and she is not bashing me in front of my daughter. Because if she was, my daughter would tell me. Right. But that's one thing you don't don't do that. Don't try and pit a child against a parent. Yeah. That's just so wrong on so many different levels.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Now, if one parent's evil, abusive, and all that, yes, we're gonna get the police involved and all that. Right. But if it's just because you don't like each other, yeah, because you had a bad relationship and something happened, you gotta get past it. These kids are relying on both of you. Yeah, I mean not just one. And they want and it's not right to try to alienate them from another parent. I don't care if you remarry and all that stuff. Nope. So that's that's just wrong. You don't do that. But uh I've even seen them where somebody was in jail or had a drug problem, they went away, got their life in order, and came back, and they even let them they introduced them to the kids, you know. But uh that's good. Let them know where they come from. Uh let them be in their life if they're acting right. Yeah, I was just gonna say if if they're doing right, that's that's a great thing. Now, if they still got meth teeth in it, well, meth teeth don't go away unless you get implants, but if they still are hooked on meth, dealing drugs, hooking whatever. That's different. Yeah, let's don't do it. You don't want the kids around that. All right, let's get some more of these juice. These are good. You said you weren't gonna know much about digital forensics. See, here you know a lot.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Yeah, but it's not my wheelhouse. It's it's really this you're the nerdy one. Am I? Yeah, more than me. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

So juice is good. Let's talk about where you're good. This is me looking at juice. Juice can go out and solicit information from just random people through conversation. And it's interesting, it's good. I can do it too, but not as I get I'm not as patient as juice is with it. So I get frustrated. I'm like, I'm going home. But anyway, whatever. But if they start talking to me immediately, I'm pretty good. I'll get I can entertain them, but you got more patience, you'll keep talking and yeah, you gotta draw it and draw it and draw it out of them. Yeah. Right. You're better at that than I am. But uh we got a hidden vault app, calculator style. How about that? Oh I've got experience with that one in my family. From a previous teenager we had in the house. All right, we'll just say that. Right. Vault apps disguised as calculators have been cracked in real investigations. In one Connecticut case, forensic analyst of an Android vault app helped reconstruct 66 incriminated images and 18 videos previously thought to be hidden or deleted. The recovered files revealed additional victims and supported prosecution. That was child pornography, by the way. Right. These apps often store data in predictable database locations or within week breakable encryption, making them recoverable via file system extraction. So that's where they have a even when you open it, it still looks like a calculator. Right. But you put in some kind of password in the keypad and it opens up what it really is.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

So the bad thing is people create these apps. They're not perfect. Yep. So if people can create them, by the time they're out for everybody, somebody's already hacked them. Right. They already know how to get into them. Right. You're not getting away with anything.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

That's correct. And you know, me and you grew up in the 80s and 90s? Yep. I will go back 70s, 80s. If we had if we yeah. Well, I was in the 70s too. Yeah. But if we had phones that we could record with, me and you'd be in prison. Oh. We'd be in prison right now. Yeah. Yeah, I would. You could get away with more back then because it wasn't recorded all the time. Yeah. I'll tell you this story though. The I used my dad, we found we had an old junker car my uncle had. It was sitting in his yard with trees growing up, an old 79 Mustang. Right. All right. And you might have my dad kept it over there for a while. You might have seen it. I don't know. But anyway, that thing looked on the outside, it looked awful. Even the interior was like we had plywood we put in for floorboards and stuff like that. Oh, a classic. But it had a 302 boss with four barrel on there. Nice. We rebuilt it. Me and my dad did. It was like a labor of love, me and him did in the shop over there. Yeah. Put that joker in and it would scream, son. Oh yeah. We used to go out here in Monasana Highway in the straightaways race. And I won about two grand one night. All right. And came back. You know, I went about through about four tanks of gas. Yeah, yeah. It's about 20 bucks for four tanks back then. Maybe 99 cents a gallon or something. But anyways, the uh came back up to the shot and go. You know all these places. Oh, I do. He was waiting on me. That was a Saturday night, about midnight. And the next morning he made me get up to go to and made me go to Nazareth Baptist Church and put every cent of that in the offering plate.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah, it's amazing. How did the word get out? I don't know. But every time I did something, I get home, dad already knew about it.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

And we didn't have Facebook then, or no. They didn't have cell phones. You had the old ring we might have had a push button on the wall at one point. We had the the dial ones at the time, but we had those early, but then we I remember we got fancy and got the push button later.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah, I remember when they came out too. Then we got a cordless.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Remember that?

SPEAKER_00 20:44

You could walk around the yard like No, we were not there was no cordless in my house.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

I came later in life. But anyway, he took that car from me and I was grounded for a year from it. I was like going in the senior year. The next Monday I had to go to school, and I was gonna get on my bicycle and ride it up. I wasn't far from the school. You knew where I grew up. Oh yeah, yeah. Um, and he said, Nope, you don't get anything with wheels. He made me walk, and he followed me behind me. Your dad was hardcore. Yeah. He had warned me about spinning the tires and stuff because it's expensive. Oh yeah. He was tired, he was just done with it. He gave me a bunch of warnings about that. Oh yeah, yeah. And finally, you know, I got out of high school and he finally gave me my car back. And I went in the Marine shortly after that. So he kept that car for quite a while. I'd come home and drive it around. It was fun driving it. But it was it would fly. It was heavy. I mean it was it was a lot of horsepower. Yeah. Now if you drove it now, you'd go broke because that thing got about six miles a gallon. Oh yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't be driving it long. But the point is, how did they know? How did they get how did Word get out so quick?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I have no idea. My dad knew things that like I did something by myself.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

He knew about it when I got home. I'm like, I I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

How? Now there were times that the cops called him and said, Your son did this, and they all knew my dad. And they said, just bring him over when you're ready. Yeah. And then he'd be like, We're gonna eat. And then before I have to kill you, I'm gonna take you over to borough building. Yeah. But he knew everything.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Well, we had Junior Garminy as the five police chief for a while. You probably saw his name on some stuff. I love Junior. He was awesome. Him and my dad were buddies. Yeah. And I got in a fight up there one night at five. And it was not, and then the junior showed up, broke us up, yeah, and took us up to the jail, the old jail where the there's like a the storefront. Yeah. Yeah. And I had me stepped in there. He goes, I'm gonna call your dad. And I said, please. I said, Can I just stay here? And he started laughing. He goes, Nope. And but dad wasn't that mad over fighting. As long as it was the right thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

So Yeah. Dad was cool with it. As long as you're fighting over, you weren't picking on somebody. Yeah, he he's he was one, you better not start it. Yeah, that's how I was. But if it comes your way, you better finish it.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Yep. We were fighting over the guy who stole money from me. Well then he deserved it. I kind of got I kind of got beat up though. Well, he was much bigger than older than me.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

I tried, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

You just gotta show up and stand up. Had a busted nose and like tore my ear a little bit and stuff like that. But I tried. Now I bit the guy's lip and he had to have stitches in his face. So well, I guess you got your money's worth. Like I told people, you may beat me up, but you're gonna carry it for the rest of your life. Okay, yeah. You're gonna remember it. So yeah. Because I don't fight fair. There is no fair fight. No. Especially when you're choking you're trying to kill me. Yeah. And you shoved me up under a car and banging my face off the concrete. Yeah. That's kind of rude. I had hair then that could grab my hair. Now they can do it. Not one now. He can grab my hair. Yeah. Yeah, they're not gonna do it now. All right, Juice. What else we got on this one? I don't know. What else? We hammered it out, man. I think it's pretty good. Yeah. All right, we're gonna get off for this one, and we'll be back shortly with another episode of the Hidden Threads Podcast. Should I use my radio voice more on radio voice more? Yeah, definitely. Okay. Bye, y'all.