When Custody Exchanges Turn Violent: What Really Happens & How to Protect Yourself

Custody exchanges are supposed to be routine—but in the real world, they can turn volatile fast.

In this episode of The Hidden Threads Podcast, Macky and Jus break down what happens when emotions, conflict, and court orders collide during child custody exchanges. Drawing from real-world investigative experience, they walk through how these situations escalate, what warning signs to watch for, and how incidents are documented when things go wrong.

This episode dives into how evidence is gathered in these cases, including video, witness statements, timelines, and patterns of behavior that can become critical in court. We also talk about how quickly a situation can shift, why planning matters, and how both parties can protect themselves and their children without making things worse.

You’ll hear what investigators look for, what courts tend to focus on, and how small decisions in the moment can have long-term legal consequences.

If you’re navigating a custody situation—or want to understand how these cases are handled when things escalate—this episode gives you a clear, real-world look at what’s at stake.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Juice, we're back with another episode here. What do you think? You excited? Yes. You like my shirt? Yes. Actually, it's on you now. It's on you right now. Hold on a minute. Let's get back over. I got an old school rat fink shirt. So we'll see it in a minute. There it is. Except commie's juice. Yeah, yeah. Tiny Tim, you remember him? Yes. He used to play the guitar with his curly hair.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Soin through the tulips.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Yeah. He was funny. Funny guy. So we had a big we had an attempted assassination again this weekend. Yes, by a mental midget. Mental midget. So he watched MSNBC and got indoctrinated. And then tried to, he thought he was doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Listen, if if if you think for a a second you're gonna get away with assassinating the president in today's day and age, you seriously, I don't care what you watch, you have mental health issues.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

You might get a licking on him. Maybe. An injury like it, but he wasn't a president, though. He was a candidate then. Yeah. But like Reagan, you know what I mean? They got a he almost killed him. But oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

I remember that. I watched that on TV. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

But it's very difficult to get in there. And what I'm seeing is though, they had he was on a different floor, right? Trying to get down to the floor where the ballroom was. So and we shot at him five times and missed. Somebody needs to go through Mackey's range training. When you come down to the farm and spend a week, yeah, I'll put you under stress. And uh, you may not want to be a special special agent after that, but yeah, probably not.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

But it's good training, and and some of them need it, apparently. What's that place called in Georgia where they go training? Fletsi. Glenco over at Fletsi.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

That's a good place, man. It is.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

What's I don't know what's going on with their firearms training, but I know if I shoot at you five times, you're gonna die of lead poison. I might at least hit you in the foot.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

I'm gonna hit you somewhere. You're gonna you're gonna I'm gonna bring some flesh, right? Yeah. So I don't, you know, I'm I'm I'm not very hyper-critical of people in a stressful environment, but you need to train to a certain level so that you at least draw some pain when you press that trigger, you know, and so absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

I mean, I get you lose all your fine motor skills, but that natural point of aim, that natural body alignment, that reaction, punching that weapon out, that should be ingrained in muscle memory.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

And there was a bunch of them. Yeah. It wasn't just one guy on the dark alley. Yeah, it wasn't just one. Right. Somebody should have got some action there. But this guy's uh obviously disturbed. Well, he was a teacher, so well you've he fits the profile though. He lives with his parents, yeah, highly educated. Yeah. Not just he didn't have like a humanities degree, he had like computer science. Yeah, very intelligent guy. Yeah, but he never had to go out and get kicked in the shorts by life. No, no. Real life escaped him. It it didn't even, it didn't even graze him. I think that's the difference between our parents. I'm trying to do it to my kids, but you gotta get out and let life kick you around a little bit. Yeah, that's how you learn, that's how you survive. You don't have time for this bull crap, you know. Yeah, you gotta you gotta go make a living, you know.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Yeah, and some of us it it just started a lot earlier because of your stubbornness, you know. Started 17 for me.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Yeah, my dad was gonna, he said, hey, if you go to college and make good grades, work, you can live here. Well, he just set you up. So I didn't do any of that. Of course not. And he said, You got three days to get out. Yeah. And then he gave me an extension because seven days later I was in Paris Island. So that was nice of him. He said, I'll let you stay here until you leave. So yeah, your dad was a nice guy. Right. He said, Why don't you go in the Air Force? I said, I barely made out of high school, man. So I didn't get serious about learning until later in life, you know. Yeah. That's how I was the same thing. High school was all girls and football, you know, yours was stealing stuff, whatever you did. It was. I was a criminal. But so I was watching this assassination attempt up on the Dice or whatever they call it, Dice. Yeah. Upon the where the important people sit. Yeah. And the shooting was going on, and there was a guy, one of the agents stood up in front of the president. That's his job. Oh, yeah. He just stood up, but it took a while for them to realize what was happening. Or leaving. You know what I mean? So, but the one guy did stand up. He stood what you call standing. He called for your principal, right? Yep. Put his plates up and all that. But it took a while for them to say, hey, Donald. Yeah, we gotta move. We gotta leave. Then he fell down. Yeah. Uh it wasn't. I don't think he just fell like Biden falls.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

No, he tripped on something. You know, they were trying to rush him out. Yeah, they were they they had him push so far forward that he did lose his ballots.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

They got JD Vance out way quicker than they did Donald. They did. The future president. Well, he was closer to the door. Yeah. Do you hear the future president? Yeah. You think he is a Rubio? I think they'd be a good team. Either one. I'm good with either one of those two. They're both uh the debate stage is going to be hilarious with those two. Yes. Because they keep their cool and they just point, they just throw facts at you.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Well, J JD Vance, uh, when he debated walls, he was very professional. And you haven't seen that in any of the debates since Reagan, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Well, Trump's Trump. Trump's like, well, you're ugly, your wife's fat. You know, he's a he's a like a schoolyard guy. You know what I mean? So and I I like that. It's fun. At least you know where you stand with him. You know who didn't have a chance with him back in 2015 or whatever? Oh. Jeb Bush. No. That was hilarious. No. And Rand Paul. They thought they were gonna come out and do the typical, oh, you know, healthcare, all this, and Trump's like your mom's got a bum foot and all this stuff, you know. So your mom's ugly. Uh whatever. All right, let's look here. What do we got? We got they're talking about when violent arguments, violent encounters or arguments turn deadly, right? Right. We see that sometimes with custody exchanges, and when there's and those things are intense, man. I would say we see that more times than not. Right. We've got a lot of people come to us, especially women. I'm not gonna, it's typically here's the deal, we'll just be honest. If a woman assaults a man, they're everybody's kind of like, eh, whatever. Yeah, but when a man puts his full force on a woman and destroys their face, oh yeah. It's a polyester pig pile. He's getting hooked and booked. Yeah. Uh but if a woman smacks a man and like, oh, get over it. Yeah. This is society, right? Right. I've had women, I probably deserved it. They flew into me, slapping and all this stuff. Right. And you just kind of get away from it, right? They don't do a lot of damage. They might scratch you or whatever. Yeah. But if I would have turned on them and used my full force, I'd have broke bones in their face, probably. That's what happens, right? Yeah. And I get people pushy, and when you're dealing with kids and all that. Let's look at this one article here from Lubbock Online in Lubbock, Texas. Oh. That's down yonder. That's over yonder and down yonder. It said report sheds light on Kyle Carruth, Chad Reed wrongful death suit. Okay. Let's read about it. A deadly shooting in Lubbock that gained worldwide notoriety. This is December 7, 2024, when an article was written. A deadly shooting in Lubbock that gained worldwide notoriety quietly came to a close after surviving family members of Chad Reed agreed to settle their wrongful death lawsuits against developer Kyle Carruth. The judgment was filed November 22nd in the 237th district. How many districts do we have for Kevin? Oh, we got a lot. Should be like five. Yeah. But anyway, closing the wrongful death lawsuits that Jennifer Reed, Chad Reed's widow, and Jinx Reed, his mother, filed against Carruth in December 2021. All right, month after the deadly shooting. Here we go. The document states that Caroos insurer had to pay $20,000. Whatever. We'll get past that. Let's see what happened. Deadly shooting of Chad Reed. The lawsuit stemmed from Chad Reed's November 5th, 2021, fatal shooting during a child custody dispute between Reed and his ex-wife, Christina Reed, at Caros' residence and office in the 2100 block of 90th Street. All right. During the argument, Caruth, who is a who was Christian Reed's boss, told Chad Reed to leave. Christina Reed, I'm sorry. All right. Chad came there to the workplace and said they're arguing. Reed ignored Carruth and continued arguing with his ex-wife. Meanwhile, Caruth went into his home and returned with a rifle. Is this is Caruth is he the football player? I can't remember. I don't know. I don't know anything about sports. I know. You just know about stealing and painting and stuff. Yeah. You're not a theft.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Listen, I I when I was a juvenile, I may have had criminal tendencies. And then the drill inspector got that out of you, right? Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

All right. A confrontation between the men erupted with Kruth firing a warning shot at Reed's feet as the two men struggled over the weapon. During the struggle, Caruth is was thrown off several feet but still holding the rifle. He spins around and fires twice at Reed, who was struck and killed. Okay. Love it. Police responded to the shooting and Caruth was not arrested. Self-defense, right? What do you think? This guy was trying to get the guy out of the building. It's his building. Stand your ground. What do you call it? Castle doctrine. All those house was workplace.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Yeah, I mean, it's it's it depends on the laws of each state. I mean we have a yeah, we we we have that blanket, oh castle doctrine, oh stand your ground. Sometimes there's a little more into it. Yeah, the guy was wrong for going there anyway. Don't don't do that. Don't go to a place of employment. And argue. Yeah, and then don't get into it with the boss. It's just a shame somebody had to lose their life when they could have just left. And continue, you know, arguing some other time, some other place.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Right. Yeah, if somebody came in here now, this is my workplace, plus kind of a home, right? Right. My daughter lives here. She was here earlier. She may still be here. Is there a car out there? No, she's gone. But somebody comes in and starts arguing with you, and I say leave, and then they say no and they start fighting with me. I pull a pistol, we start fighting over the pistol, then I'm probably gonna shoot them.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

And I'm should be good. You never know around here.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

DeCap County, Alabama. You never know. Well, yeah. They changed their mind on a whim.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Yeah, well, you know, it's DeCap County.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

You know Jackson better, don't you? Jackson. Anyway, this guy, Caruth, was never arrested, but they did sue him, obviously. Ronka suit and all that. But here's the thing on these custody disputes, they have systems in place where you chat over a certain app where somebody can moderate it and see what's going on. It's all recorded. Showing up in person and arguing. We've seen it where during the custody exchange, where the kids were there and they're arguing and fussing and fighting.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah. That's right. In front of the kids.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Yeah. I've seen it happen at the police department where they do an exchange. Yeah. We we've seen it there too. We had one over at Sneeds Crossroads. You know that area down there, down the mountain there. Down the down yonder. Yeah. Towards Birmingham. Right. Where they said, Hey, come record this exchange. Sometimes the police don't come out. I said, okay. And the guy got out. He's always antagonizing our client, the wife, ex-wife. And he starts smacking her right there in front of the kids in the police department. And some police officer came out and lowered the, I'm talking, did a it was like he grabbed him by the head and did a drop like a DDT. I don't know what WWE stuff. Right on the asphalt. Busted his face up. It was good. I was like, whoa. Was he not good? I had to turn my recording over to their police department. Well, you know, you make copies. I didn't have a copy. But anyways, the he didn't get in trouble when the guy was assaulting somebody. Yeah. Right. With children, with a baby in his hand, by the way, or in her hand.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

That's it. Yeah, yeah. Even on a case, I'm not going to let that go.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

But I was getting ready to get, I was like, I need to help this woman. And then the police officer came out and I was like, whoa, he got it. You know what I mean? I was kind of I was a ways off. I was like in a parking lot across the four-lane highway kind of thing. Yeah, but you you can clear that distance pretty quick. The the officer came out and I was like, he got it. So anyway, put cuffs on him and threw him in the pokey. That guy got he got he got a felony assault the for smacking her around. Good. Police officers, I don't think he's there anymore. I think he's in Birmingham or something. But he didn't leave because that he just my opinion, he was right. You get the guy off of whatever for any means, whatever means necessary, get him off the woman. Right. Especially with a child of one-year-old in her arms.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

We've done it here when I was policing here. We always helped out, met him at Jack's, or we said, well, come to the police department and park here under this awning, and you can do the exchange there.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah, I got the night, they got the nice police department at Fife now, the big building. Yeah. It used to be right there where that on the corner where that clothing shop or whatever it is. Yeah. I've sat in that one when it was the police department. Imagine that. They had the old cage back there, like you'd see on Andy Grip. It was no as a four no it was a four-walled cage. Yeah. Right in the middle, they just put you in there. You're like everybody's walking by and you're having coffee. You want some coffee? Sure. Yeah, too bad. But you would like some coffee. They had a bed in there. If you had to go to the bathroom, they had to. It was weird, man. But anyways, uh they didn't have a toilet in there, so they had to handcuff you, take you to the toilet, and then do your thing. Um anyway, it was weird. It was like going back in time. Yeah, I bet your dad loved that. Did it he didn't? Did they have a jail in the one now, a cell? No. Just lock you in a room if they need to. No, you don't get locked in a room.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

If you get arrested here, you go right down to DeCab County and let the COs at the jail down there deal with you after booking.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

You take the ride down. So back in my day, when I was a kid and teenager, whatever, in my formative years, right? The county jail was in the basement of the old courthouse. Yeah. Okay. And they had about four cells in there. So the local police had to have a way to confine you until you could get you somewhere. Right. They didn't have the we didn't have as many people in trouble then either. But times have changed. The jail in the cab county's got a lot of people in it. It does. Jackson has a lot of people in it for how small that jail is. A lot of it's holding for ice now. They got a lot of that going on. Yeah. At the cow, yeah. But uh but there's not a lot of ice action going on around here now. They got they they got a lot of the illegals out. So I don't know. There should be a lot of ice activity everywhere. In my opinion, yes. Yes, my opinion. All right, here's my take on it. You ready? We've we've digressed a lot, Juice. Is that okay? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

I like the speed. I like driving fast. I get tickets for it.

unknown 14:48

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

I think they should eradicate I shouldn't be a criminal because I like to drive fast. I think they should get rid of that law.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

See how that's wrong? See how wrong that is? Yeah, it is. If we don't like uh illegals, they that's a law in the books. It is. Go in. Go change the law. Do whatever.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

It's not an ordinance for the city.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Right. It's a federal law. Right. Like if I go through Fife at 90 miles an hour, I broke the case. You're getting cuffed and stuffed. I broke the state and local law. If the locals say, hey, I don't want to prosecute this guy, the state trooper can come get me, right? Or he's there if he sees it. You get what I'm saying, though. We we can't pick and choose which one we want to follow.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

And there are laws on the books that are not followed. Well, they're outdated, they just haven't been changed. So oh yes. And they're so ridiculous. Right. Which one? Well, you you can't wear, as a man, you cannot wear a strapless evening gown. I think it's in Miami after 6 p.m. in public. So how's the trans community dealing with that?

SPEAKER_00 15:53

I know there's some down there, probably.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

It's a non-enforced law. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Because I know there's probably a decent trans community in Miami. There's cities usually have like I don't know. I guess they gotta if if you had a transgender person acting out, the police could pull that out and say, We're getting you for wearing a strapless shirt. But I'm I'm a woman. Now you know. You can't molest a garbage can in Daytona. Somebody did that, probably. Daytona is a big party spot.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

It is. Imagine that. Somebody was molesting a garbage can in the state or the city council or the state people said, Hey, we gotta make a law. Yeah. And unfortunately, you you read some of these laws, you're like, oh my god, there's no way. It's because people have done this. Right. That's why the law's there. All right.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

We went, we went way off topic here. Yeah, we did. That's okay. Back to this where arguments turn deadly. So custody exchanges, yes, it's heated already because there's a custody dispute going on. Right. And a lot of these we see, they get mad at each other but over stupid stuff. Like Johnny has a baseball game, and I want to take him to my aunt's house, you know, that kind of thing. They can't work out, they can't parent, they can't co-parent. No, it's impossible for them to do it. And the kids pay the price for that. So correct.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

But it's it's you see a lot more reactive violence when kids are involved. Yeah. Because I know you're not taking my kid away from me. Right. And I know my ex, she's like, Well, you're not taking my kid away from me. So it gets heated really quick when when kids or money's involved. Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah. And it goes back, you know, the custody modifications we people come to us and say, or they they've gone to court once and said, I want to do a custody modification just because you gotta have a lot of evidence to do it. There is no just because. Yeah, custody mod is who's at? I don't know, some weirdo riding around stalking us, juice. Or it's not me or you, so we got the windows open here, and we're out in the country here. Yes. And I know pretty much everybody that drives by. Yeah. There is a weirdo. Really? You know everybody here? I'm the sheriff of my own property here. Oh, I know. My 30 acres or whatever this is. You're down here on the outlaw estates. Outlaw estates. I call it Becky's Equestrian Center. So well, there's that too. But uh yeah, we know pretty much who drives by here. So it ain't like your house where it's like a major highway going by. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my house is a major highway. That road's been paved for like 20 years. This one just got paved this year.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Well, that's because you finally got off that money.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Got off. I didn't pay nothing. I just voted for the right person finally. So anyway, we complained about it for years. We just got what's that called? The fiber optic cable here two years ago for internet. So you still don't have it. Really? Over there mostly? Well, you got Bernie's lasagna though, so oh yeah, there's Bernie's. We got we got that at church sometimes. It's good. Bernie's is good. All right. Back to what we're talking about. Arguments turning violent. All right. In your police officer life, you've seen a lot of people fussing at each other, and it turns into a deadly weapon gets knife or gun gets pulled, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Tell me about some of that.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Husband and wife arguing.

unknown 19:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

So the holidays were and and the Alabama Auburn Game Day are are the highlights. That that's when domestic violences are are really gonna crank off.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

And I've shown up because the ham was dry, not juicy, like he wanted it. And an argument took place, and she pulled a knife on the guy. Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Over ham?

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Shit. Thanksgiving ham, basically. Easter. Yeah. It wasn't just a ham, it was a dry ham. Dry huh. And these people, they're not factory workers, they're not working down at the stock mill. These are people that are in the medical field that have extensive education.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

So they're not your typical trailer trash. No. Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 20:06

So no, these are nurse practitioners and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Like when you showed up, you're like, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Yeah, and I know the people. And I showed up. I'm like, well, somebody obviously came over and stirred up the pot. Little did I know. It was the homeowners that I knew.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Right. And that's in the city limits over there. Yeah. So I can narrow that down to about five people. Yeah. But anyway, so uh oh, you know who they are. You get what I'm saying. Did somebody get a felony on it? No. Just misdemeanor stuff. Yeah. Quit hitting each other.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Yeah, it was like, what, really?

SPEAKER_00 20:37

You two? Right. I think I know. Yeah, you you do. There's a divorce came out of it, right? Yes. I know it. I know exactly who it is. Yes. I might have seen one the other day. One of them the other day. It has. I like both of them.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Yeah. So do I.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

They don't like each other.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

It just it people. Anger just clouds judgment. I'm not faulting either one of them. Anger clouds judgment. But you can't go hands-on, man. Well, your wife, no. Girlfriend, you can't be hitting each other. There are times that I will say, not against your your your wife or girlfriend, but there are times domestic disputes happen. Two guys go hands-on. Yeah. And I get it. Testosterone's flying, egos are flying. One's got to tell the other one, look, I'm running this show. You're not. Is that son, father-son type stuff? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

And I I kind of understand it. I don't condone it. Don't get me wrong. I don't condone it, but I understand it.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

If I rolled up on that, I'd probably like, see you wince.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Don't pull guns at it.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

You can't. I just walk over and go, Really? I'm tired of them. Look, I get it. I was a teenager. My dad and I didn't get along. My dad knocked me out once. It happens.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Let me tell you my knockout. Story. Go ahead. So when I was a teenager, the big deal was the car, right? You get your car taken from you for being a smart elic or doing something stupid, right? And uh, I had my car taken from me, and I told my dad was going on a trip. He said, If I find this car's moved, I'm gonna you're never gonna see it again. Right? And I said, I'll drive. I said, I said, I'll do whatever I want. I was about 17. Yeah. The next thing I know, we didn't have concrete in the driveway, it was gravel then. The next thing I know, I was picking myself up out of the gravel. Yes. With a bloody nose and a book, tooth loose, and all this. And I went in the house, he'd already kicked back in his chair, had Andy Griffith on.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

And I said, He said, I guess you're not gonna do that again, are you? No, sir. You know, I was like, okay. He he busted my he knocked me out.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

And I didn't call DHS or no police. Oh, are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 22:48

I just dealt with it. You know how many beatings I would have taken in the 30 seconds it took from the police department to get to my house?

SPEAKER_00 22:55

I went in and washed my face off and I came in. I said, I think my tooth's loose. He felt of it and said, I'd be all right. That's kind of how it went.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yeah, I called my dad out at 17. Biggest mistake of my life. That old man's strength is something. He he was an iron worker welder. He had all kinds of strength, and he had no qualms about knocking me out in the backyard.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

My dad had kind of gotten out of shape. He's kind of getting fatter in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

And I didn't had no idea he still had that power and that role.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Yeah. He did.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

It happened. It'd been building up. I'd been popping off for a few weeks, and you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

But it happens. I mean, I I'd consider it a rite of passage into manhood. It's just the times. Now it turns into father shooting sons, son shooting father. I'd rather you just go outside and knock, knock the crap out of each other, shake hands, and get back to being father and son.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

But people anymore, they just lose it, and the first thing they do is they grab a weapon.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Right. So here's one. This was this year in April. This is in Nashville. Metro police said the shooting happened on April 11th. A memorial now marks a spot just feet from the front door. Let's read about this one. This is a child exchange. This is a witness said I was sitting on the bed getting ready and heard some loud noises. The police said the mother of Charvante. Charvante? Okay. I think it's a man. And her 18-year-old boyfriend, identified as Demetrius Brown, were dropping off the girl when the exchange turned deadly. Her window was busted from the bullets that probably went through his head. The witness said. Family members said they were still struggling to process the loss. Charvante's older brother, Dominique Lis, said the grief was now overwhelming. It's really tough. I found myself trying to text him the next day. That's how tough it is. I've watched it affect my mom, my brother, my sister. It's pretty tough. I have to keep up as much strength as I can. Alright, let's get down to the story. They buried the story. All right. So this guy was dropping the his child off to the mama's house, and she had her boyfriend there, and they got into an argument, and the boyfriend shot him, killed him right there. So, anyway. And there's probably another incident where the boyfriend probably was not supposed to be there in the first place. Right. And the dad said, Hey, what are you doing here? kind of thing. And it turned into a fight, and one got shot.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

So unfortunately, it's another prime example of cooler heads prevail.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Yeah. And if there's been some issues with custody in this one, there's probably was. There's probably if you go down the list, there's some issues. Exchange probably should have taken place in public at the police department, sheriff's office, somewhere like that. And they'll do that courtesy for you. Yeah. There's always a desk sergeant there. Yeah. Somebody's always there. Yeah. Dispatch is there. Somebody's there. Yeah. In the county down here, there's always a person sitting in there. Yeah. You know, I don't know if Fife has that or not. No. But there's always a there's there's always an officer on control. Yeah. Yeah. With within seven, eight minutes of where they are. Unless they're out on something big. Right. But yeah, man, the uh custody exchanges is a big deal, and that's where we see a lot of violence take place. I've witnessed it myself. I know you have. And it's best just to walk away, man.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

Yeah. If anybody's going through it, I mean, it cooler heads do prevail. Just don't say anything, no matter how mad you are. Just drop the child off. Do what you gotta do according to the law or what child visitation that the judges set forth. And just do that and then go call your attorney.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Yeah, and you can record everything. You can document it with a video. And I've seen those videos before, and it worked, it works out good. Yeah. So you can video all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Just stay calm, cool, collect, do what you gotta do, and handle it differently.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

All right, Juice, that's it for this one. We beat this dead horse. It's dead. We did. Real dead. All right. We'll be back with another episode soon.