Reasonable Suspicion or Rabbit Hole? Conspiracies, Paranoia & The Investigator’s Line

 Description: In this off-the-cuff Hidden Threads conversation, Macky and Jus dive into the blurry line between reasonable articulable suspicion and full-blown conspiracy theories. When does a gut feeling become something worth investigating? How do investigators separate facts, patterns, and legitimate indicators from assumptions, paranoia, and internet rabbit holes? Real-world stories, random tangents, and honest investigator talk. 

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Juice. Thank you. How sleepy are you? Very what is this? That's my go juice, my sparkling ice water. Black raspberry. My daughter drinks that all the time. Yeah, that's good stuff. You know, she's a type one diabetic. So she d she is a con she is a what's the people that drink wine or experts in wine they smell Connoisseur? There's a fancy word for 'em. Cavassier or something. I don't know. Anyways. Cavassier, that's a drink. That's the drink. Anyway. That's brandy. That's what the ladies man drank. Cavassier. Cavasier. Anyways, she is a expert in zero sugar drinks.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Really?

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Yeah. One time we met me and her went to the movies, and I got a regular Coke, and she got a Diet Coke. And we set it in a dart and mix it up. And she drank about half of a big regular Coke. I don't know if you know what that does to a type 1 diabetic. Well, probably buzzes them. Alarms start going off. Her blood sugar shopped like 500. So we had to like insulin, insulin. But anyways, the uh and she said, I ain't going nowhere. I'm gonna watch this movie. So anyway. But anyway, yeah, so she is very adept in determining what is the good sugar-free drinks and the bad ones. Her favorite drink? Water. Oh, I hate plain water. I drink coffee, it has water in it. So yeah, I hate plain water. You know what did it? What? Chugging them at boot camp? No, no. Oh, I yeah. They made me sick in boot camp. Yeah. Drinking out of those wonderful smelling canteens. Oh god. And the water bowls. Water bowls. In army, they call them buffaloes. Yes. Same thing, right? Yeah. So I was at officer candidate school, ossifer. Mm-hmm. Being a fancy ossifer in the Army at Fort McClellan. Right. And we did our big week-long field op thing, right? Yep. Patrolling and all that stuff. It's okay. It ain't bad, you know. It ain't like sniper school or BRC or nothing like that. But it's good. You know, you do your little stick lanes with your squad and you do the platoon ones and all that. It's pretty good stuff. You see who listened during class real quick when it's hot and everybody's sweaty and stuff. But we would get our money, money, our water out of those water buffalo. I was in the army at the time. Right. Water bowl for the Marines or the Navy. Right. Right. And it tasted funny. And we opened the top of it, had a dead raccoon in it. It's okay. We've been drinking that. It's a protein drink. Had a dead raccoon in our juice. So it's protein drink. Anyways. We've done worse. But you know, you got I don't mind the meat part, but you got the guts with the poop and all that in there. And the urine. That's just that's just flavoring. But uh it's like condiments. The uh supply dude that was helped, you know, that was helping us with, you know, he was the support guy. Yeah. We didn't see him after that. So I wonder why. Because the that patrol, that iteration, the big colonel was with us, the regimental commander guy. They called him nice. He would come out and do a couple of like a day with you on patrols. Yeah. It was like grandpa being out there. You know, you could have done this better, you know. Right. And you get out in the real army and all this. He wouldn't like the other ones, like you suck push-ups, flutter cakes, go run. You know, he wasn't. But he was, you know, he was a long-term infantry guy, ranger qualified guy, been through a lot of stuff, very smart guy. And he goes, Yeah, let's don't drink that. So we went to the next one and checked. It was good. And then that and then we didn't see that sergeant first class anymore after that. So wondering why. That's odd. I'm I'm guaranteed they said he was supposed to make sure those were sanitized and all that. Sure. And it sat at the motor pool for nine years with the top open. Something got in there. You know what? Yeah, he went in and filled it and the raccoon was in there. We're good. You know what I mean? What if he killed somebody with a honta virus or whatever? Oh, the honta masks, it's coming. Like on some animal poop. Yeah, I'm not wearing no mask. I'm not either. I'm not playing. I've already announced I'm not playing along. Yeah, neither am I. There's there'll be no vaccines, no masks. I'm gonna go to Walmart or Food Foodland or Walmart. I'm gonna walk down the aisle like I want to. Yeah. Remember that? I lick the handles on the carts. I don't care. You remember that? So you're not gonna get COVID if you all walk down to the grocery store aisle the same way. Remember that? Yeah. And they even put the arrows on the floor to know which way to go. I ignore that after like 30 seconds. I I can't do this. I gotta I'll go directly where I want my I want my raisin brand, I'm gonna go get it without following arrows to the Well, you know, Fauci, you know. Somebody should. Because the little immunity don't count at state level or county level, whatever you want to do. So nope. Somebody should. Right. There was a bunch of people just went in front of Congress and said that he was a liar. Yeah. Under oath the other day. Some doctors, MDs. They were doing it when it was going on. COVID. Right. The mask thing. I'd I keep one in my pocket, and if like the store said put on a mask, if I had to go in there, I put it on. But I didn't walk around in my Those masks ain't gonna save you from no virus. There's people walking around right now with mask on. Yeah. I see them once in a while. And they put them on their chin. It's even funnier when they're in their car driving by themselves. Right. Well, you don't ever know that air might come through. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Why do they wear them on their chin though? To keep, you know, the goatee, the beard clean, so you don't get it in there. Don't they it it's just a fashion thing then after that, right? Pretty much, yeah. When I was I was in the Army Reserve during all that, and we had to wear them for a while. Mask, right? You could either wear a black one, a army color a green army colored one, or a medical or an army pink. It had to be medical, the blue ones, right? It could be one of those. And I hated wearing the thing anyways, but would see people walking around with under chin. And I'd be like, You're still wearing it. I'd be like on the way all the way on or all the way off. You know what I mean? So that's what it said in the thing, you know. So and I was quick to not wear it, you know what I mean, when they said don't wear it anymore. But people kept going, man. Like, you have a maple? Nope. I don't. There's sheeple. The boss said you don't have to wear it today, I'm not wearing it. So but uh I don't know, it was ridiculous. But the Hunter virus, you gotta live with somebody for quite a while. Like, meaning you'd have to be in the same room for like seven days. Yeah, we're not in the same room for seven days. No. I can't, you know, a couple hours a week's good with me. Yeah, I'm good with it. If you text messages, but I don't like you that much. Unless we're like fishing or something, I mean around. Yeah. You gotta be doing something, shooting, fishing. Yeah, you know. Um, I don't know. Uh we got so off track there. Yeah. We went did we even get into CIA files yet? No. So there was a that's what we were gonna start with. We got in the hauntivirus. What else did we get into? Uh all kind of stuff. Uh hauntivirus opened it up the the candy. The the water buffalo. Oh, the water buffalo. Yeah. Because the drinking the water, because of my drink. You know what? We're still staying on this. I don't care. I got all the YouTube time I want. Okay. All right. You know, in the Marines, you got canteens that have been used by generations of Marines. Yes. And they stunk. I'd put them in the I'd scrub them, put them in the dishwasher when I had a house just to get the smell out. You know, get the heated. I could never get it out.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

I went in the army and you get brand new ones in the plastic wrap. Yeah, but that's the army. They have money. The Marines have money, they just don't spend it. Yeah. It it I don't know if they certain units have money. We had money, but I'm talking about when I went to boot camp and SOI, you got canteens that were hundreds of years old. Yeah. I got them out in the fleet. Yeah. No, when I went in the army, everything was brand new. In plastic racks. Yeah, it was crazy. And then I said, What do y'all do with these canteens when you turn them in? They said, Well, they destroy them. Yeah. Right. I said, Why can't I keep it?

unknown 7:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

You know, I had one canteen and every moped. Like it was in a I had so much gear when I got it. Yeah. Right. Even in the field, we we took canteens as that was like your emergence, like, I'm down to my last water, but you just carried a camel bag, man. Right. So that was what you're you sucked on. We had desert bags, all kind of stuff. Yeah, you sucked on that camelback all, you know, to keep hydrated when it's really hot. But uh but anyway, this article here, or there was a rumor that went viral on the internet that said the CA went into Tulsi Gabber's office and snatched up the Kennedy files that were still being redacted. Classified. Yes, they they were redacting parts of it. And they were they said this is a rumor, said that they snatched them so that she wouldn't declassify them. Right. What do you think? I don't know. I that's an awfully weird and random rumor.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Right. Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna, which I she seems legit. I see her on TV some. She shared claims on social media that the CIA had taken approximately 40 boxes of JFK and MK Ultra files. Ooh, I guess in the more stuff. She later clarified that she was not alleging an actual raid occurred on that day, but she said her CIA contacts said they had the box. A whistleblower, a witness, alleged the CIA had taken back 40 boxes of files being processed for declassification by DI Gabbard. They don't want that out there, do they? No. That they showed that they killed him? No, there's there we we talked about this I don't know how long ago. I I think we even talked about it when we did the the sniper course with you. Okay. There's more than one shooter. If you're a shooter, you can tell there's more than one shooter. Nobody bought that crap. Right. In ballistics and sniper school, we studied that video and the autopsy. Right. And there is no way that the from the wounds, there's no way that only one the one hit from the back, but there's no way. There's other ones in the front, my man. On the autopsy foot footage. Yeah. Now the sniper school wasn't, they're like, hey, what do you think? It was like a it's a study, right? To see ballistics and I mean you can even look at the film and see when he got hit, and the it the the one in the front threw him backwards. Right. Because it hit that brace he wore for his bad back. Yeah. Now it would have gone through the passenger in the front, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, your head. They were trying, I remember I've read where a CIA ballistics guy tried to say, when you shoot somebody with a 306, that's basically what he shot him with, 30 aught six. The your head goes with opposite the impact. I'm like, no, it don't. No, it does not. It doesn't. I mean, it's not as dramatic as you see on the movies, but right. It follows the path of the bullet. Right. That bullet, especially if that cli it was close. If you stand that window and look, it was not far. There's a big tree in a way. Now especially if that bullet mushrooms or makes a move going through it makes it even more dramatic, right? So But that's the CIA investigating the CIA. Of course, yeah, I mean, come on. Right. Kennedy was getting ready to pull us, stop the Vietnam thing. And Boeing and the other, I don't know, the other government contractors were like, hey, we got to do something about this. So they had him whacked. Exactly what happened. Johnson was in on it. I I even the first Bush was in on it. So the day after, pretty much, Johnson was sworn in. Yeah. He put billions of money on the fire, the Vietnam fire. Got things rocking in that one. I wonder why. 50 something thousand dudes later, dead people later. Yeah. You know. It was the because he's Texas man and he's tied into those government contractors of. Kennedy was not really tied into the he was tied into more Wall Street, but not to govern a contractor world. So, anyways, I think the CIA killed him or had somebody killed them. And they marched out their little Patsy and said he did it. I don't think Oswald did it either. Oswald. I think Oswald fired a shot that day. You don't think so? No. With a bolt action. With an attack Carcano rifle. No. Equivalent to a 30 out six, right? Pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

I I'm not buying it. Yeah. I don't think he did either. I've been you ever been out here? To the square? Yeah. Um. It was a close shot. Yeah. To me, it was a close shot. Yeah. I don't think he's getting off three shots. Not with a Carcano. Like Gunny on the movie. Oh, full metal jacket. Yeah. Three shots with an Italian, whatever. Yeah. That's what a motivated Marine and a rifle can do. No, he did not. He might have got one shot. I don't know. No. The babushka lady. One of those. There's no way. And another thing, you got everybody dodging for cover. Right. And the babushka lady standing there with a camera. Right. Didn't even flinch.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

I stood looking. I've stood where the babushka lady stood. Yeah. I looked around, I didn't see her. But yeah. She wasn't like she wasn't there? She wasn't a ghost. It was real. You like how I'm steepling my fingers to you? Yeah, I see that. I see how you're doing that. But yeah, and also the MK Ultra Files. That's another program that was a disaster. Yeah. Damaged ruined a lot of lives. If you, you know, they got people, susceptible people, and said, hey, take these drugs and let us record how you act. And next thing you know, they're addicted to acid and meth and everything else. Whatever drug. Look what they did to Ted Kaczynski. Oh, Teddy. Oh, the unibomber. He's the man. He was a skilled individual, but he just misapplied his skills. He was very, very, very smart. But after you do 500 hits of acid when you're 15, I guess it affects you in different ways. Was he at Harvard? That was one of them, it started in the basement of an Ivy League. I don't know which one. But uh and uh did all the tests on the people with the drugs and everything else. Yeah, he was like 15 and was in college. Yeah. But uh he made some I'm not bragging on the guy. He's a murderer. He made some pretty cool bombs though. Sure he did. Not detected and all that, you know. You know, they say, hey, when you think of a bomb thread in a mail package, it's got wires sticking out and all that. Yeah. His were clean as a whistle. So they were good. You open that joker and well who put uh somewhere on a timer, I think. But you know how good the timer has to be? You have to really study the mail route to know the delays and all that to have the timer right. He was a strange individual, but man, he was methodical. He was. And he's a he's a murderer, don't get me wrong. But I've read some books about his from the FBI, the the detectives that worked, the agents that worked on that, and they kind of said this guy was out of this world smart, you know. So and the only reason they got caught, they put his handwriting out and his sister saw it, right? Something like that. His brother. One of his relatives. Yeah, it was his brother. And turned him in. His brother's a snitch. Well well. If your brother was blowing up people around the world, well, yeah, you you you want to inform. I I guess snitching's a strong word for his brother. He informed. Right. So we were going to talk about today reasonable articulable suspicion, R A S. Uh but we got caught up in MKUltra, Milty Gabbard. Let's talk about reasonable articulable suspicion a little bit. I've watched, there's a lot of videos going out on TikTok and Instagram, whatever, about these First Amendment auditors, right? Yeah. Some of them are legit, some of them just the ones that are I like to watch are the ones that are very respectable to the police. Except when the and the police say, hey, we want your ID, you're being detained. Watch the crime. Some of them are just buttholes. Yeah. They cuss out the cops for no reason and all that. Yeah. Now, sometimes the cops are buttholes, but for no reason. I watched one yesterday where a guy was recording at the DMV. All right, and there's no sign that says you can't do it. And they called the police on them and all that. And the police officer came in and lost it, like went nuts. Get out of the building, blah, blah, blah. Screaming and yelling and put cuffs on them, you know. And then the supervisor showed up and took the cuffs off. Imagine that. But can you film cops? Sure you can. Yeah, they film you. Yeah. So is that enough reasonable, articulable suspicion to detain someone? No. What has to happen before you can detain somebody? Well, you have to determine that that individual has committed or is going to commit a crime.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Right. You know, it basically. If they're not doing anything wrong, if they're just filming, so what? This is a public road out here at the intersection. If they're not blocking traffic, as long as it's not on your property, he can be out there filming all day. As long as you're not blocking traffic, there's not a safety concern where he's going to get ran over, which all you can do there is like, hey, scoot over. You can't impede any police investigations or police work or but if you're just out there filming, good on you. We know that from being PIs, you can film from public places, right? You can. Now, sometimes the cops show up and say, Hey, we're investigating a crime. We need to detain you. What what crime is it? Because the people in that building are nervous? Is that a case? Yeah. No, you're not going to detain me because you're investigating a crime over there. I didn't do anything wrong. I'm filming, right? Yeah. And people say, and it's funny that people come out of these buildings and say you can't film, but they're in buildings where cameras are all over the place. They're being filmed all the time. Security cameras and stuff. Yeah. They film everything. What about refusing consent to search? You don't have to consent to search. Like if so say you come up and there's a I'm standing on the sidewalk somewhere and there's a burglary. Right. Say it, juice. Burglary. Somebody's stealing some crap out of the store. Right. They broke in and stole it, right? Now, and I'm just standing there. Can I do I have to consent to search then? No. Unless I fit the description of the person. There has to be mitigating circumstances for that to happen. Like if they said, hey, there's a bald guy in a gray shirt with cowboy boots on. Right. Okay. G3 on it. And in there with all the stuff that was stolen. I got Cheetos and a lighter that I stole with no receipt, right? Whatever. Yeah. So and probably a can of dip for you. I get the tubs of dip, but yeah, I would never steal them. But what about high crime area and walking away? That's another one where the there's already a bunch of crime going on where drugs, rape, whatever, and there's just a kid walking down the road. Doesn't matter. Hey kid. You can do a WWB, walking while black. Yeah, no, you can't do that. You can do a casual contact. Just say, how's your evening going? Yeah. That's it. That's just policing, right? Yeah. And I used to do it with everybody all the time. Mm-hmm. That doesn't mean I can stop them and frisk them and everything else. The rest case law that determines that. Now let's say you go into the say you got the store up at Fife, right? The can shop and go. Yeah. And you just walk in and start talking to the owner in there. And the owner says, Hey, I don't want you in my building. Okay. You have to leave, right? Yes. Unless you think he's there's a safety concern or somebody's stealing something. Or a crime's taking place, right? Yeah. If he doesn't want you in there, you gotta leave. Mm-hmm. What about you can be trespassed. Right. Yeah, a cop can, right? Yes. If he asks you to leave and you don't, he don't have a reason to be there. Yeah, you're trespassed. Right. That's embarrassing. Hey, Judge, you know. But that's a misdemeanor. But anyway. He looks suspicious. Is that enough reasonable articulable suspicion? If you can articulate where the suspicion came from, do you have prior knowledge of this individual, his actions, what is he doing, his behaviors, the location? There's there's a whole lot of totality of the circumstance to determine that. But you can't just look and go, Well, he looks suspicious. Right. Well, if that's the case, I look suspicious. Well, so say I got cold cocked on the sidewalk by a guy that looked like you, and they saw you a block over, and I'd describe you to the teeth. Oh, yeah, you're a weird bald shirt that says I'm little.

unknown 20:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah. All those things, right? That's enough. And you gotta go in hot too. You gotta be, hey man, we're gonna detain you because we think you're suspicious. You don't come in and like, hey, what's up? You know, it's it's no. Um there there there's a difference in the approach, yeah. Yeah, I'm saying come in hot. You come in yeah, more of an aggressive tone. You're saying, hey, dude, we think you did this. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Now, what if you're in a public parking lot and they're checking door handles? Yeah. You shouldn't be touching people's stuff. No. All right. That's that's happened before where somebody was looking for a car to steal or steal stuff out of the car. Sure. I had a laptop stolen out of a car one time in Fort Payne, Walmart. Never locked my doors here unless I left the county. I never locked them anywhere. Right. This is before the automatic lockers and all that stuff. I had a laptop set in the back, went in to got some groceries and came out, and my laptop was gone. Yeah. Fort Paine police came up and they said, Yeah, he stole it, but that was before cameras were everywhere. Right. And internet, you know, you didn't connect devices to the internet all the time. And they're like, it's probably gone. You know, they were being honest with me. So now I lock my doors all the time. Now the thing, if I walk away from it, locks on its own, you know, one of those kind of cars. But that was a pain in the But I wish I'd have caught the guy. But some little punk saw that laptop and got it. Yeah. That was before they were cheap. So they were expensive back then. So and it wasn't mine, it was a company one. So I had to re-buy it. But anyways, because I didn't log my doors. Yeah. Now if they're checking door handles though, that is, they're probably trying to steal something out of the car. It's hard to steal a car now like that, but they can. Right. But or steal the car or objects out of the car. It's a little more sophisticated than it was when I was stealing cars as a kid. Now you have a computer involved and all that stuff. Yeah. You can use a dolphin. You heard of those? Yes. Okay. You can program them right way and make them work. But back then, you were slim Jim in the door and you were busting the ignition with a screwdriver. Yeah. Or you were popping the ignition out and crossing the wires and starting it and taking off. Do it like that no more. I went to Bill Scott Racing in the 90s. You ever heard of that up in West Virginia? Yeah. The driving school. And they taught us how to hotwire a car. Yeah. And they were already getting into the more sophisticated stuff. And they're like, what about these? And they're like, oh, don't worry about that. They didn't know yet. They didn't know yet. You know? Yeah. They had no clue. But we were doing the old ones. Which is overseas, though, that's what we're training for. Yeah. You can run in the older ignitions over there still. Oh, yeah. On newer cars. So depending on what country you're in. So that was the purpose of that. Hey, we need to get away, was find a car kind of thing. It's pretty easy. Yeah. What else have you seen people detained for that you thought was not correct? Yeah, I think there. Obviously, walking down the street, a black guy committed a crime. WWB, Welcome Long Black, Driving While Black. Yeah. You know, the the profiling and stuff. There there's been several times. I've I've seen it right here. We had a break-in, you know, the Mexican restaurant there? Yeah. So there was a break in there. Across from the police station. Yeah, yeah. So there was a break-in in there one night, and I don't know, I can't remember exactly who called, but they said it was a white male that broke in. And I watched one of the officers, one of the deputies, stop a Hispanic kid. Right. And said, We had a break-in, you fit the description. He did not fit the description. Right. So it did not fit the description. I'm sorry, I got sidetracked juice. So that's all right. You don't fit the description. Mm-hmm. Right. Now when you're driving on a public road, they have some more leeway. Now you gotta commit a driving violation. You gotta not turn your blinker on, tell lights out. You can have more reason to stop you. But even then they can't go digging in the car unless there's a reason. Right. Yeah. So if another instance, driving down the road and I smelled the car in front of me, they were obviously smoking pot. I pulled them over. They had pot. You can pull them over for that. You saw it s setting in the console to back the door. I smelled it. I mean when you pull them over. No. You didn't see it when you came up in the game? No. And I plain as day I say the reason I pulled you over is I smell weed coming out of your car. You guys smoke weed. Oh no, no, no. Listen, you need to tell me if you're yeah, we're smoking it. Where's it at? Here, they handed me the weed. Right. Small. I'm good. They handed it to me. I asked where it was, they handed it to me. You didn't go digging for nothing. Now, if I would have got them out and started digging without consent, that would have gone nowhere. I would I would have gotten into trouble for that. They'd be like, hey, what'd you do this? Yeah. But if they pull me over for speeding, they can't go digging for weapons, right? You know, illegal. Now I don't, I don't. I hate to say this because I see a lot of guys do this, a lot of cops. You got anything in the vehicle I need to know about? Any guns, weapons, thermonuclear devices, any drugs? You're gonna say no. Would you mind if I search? And then it if you say no, it turns into this coercion on the officer's part. Well, if you ain't got nothing in there, like you said, you shouldn't be afraid for me to look in there. You shouldn't be scared, and they they work it into, oh, well, whatever, go ahead. You're not coming in there, mind. Yeah. I I've been stopped, and the cop has been a jerk and asked me, Do you have anything I need to know about? And I'll tell him, You're either gonna write me a ticket or you're not. Well, can I search your vehicle? No. Why? Yeah. No. Well, you you afraid? You got something in there I need to know about? Now, obviously, I don't look like a law-abiding citizen, and I get that, but I'm not gonna be harassed because I'm gonna give you what you give me. I say, I'll tell you what, you can search underneath the gas cap and that's it. Used to be a butle. Yeah. But uh, I've had them pull me over for speeding, and they say that stuff, and I'm like, no, can we just get on with the ticket? Yep. Makes them mad, but you do not have to give them permission to search your vehicle. When they search your vehicle, it's because you either give them consent, don't ever do it, or it's incident to arrest. Right. You've been arrested and they're going through your car. Sure. And even then it gets a little cloudy if you're yeah, if it's not pertaining to the arrest, right? I mean now they can do plain view and all that stuff, but in Alabama, everybody's got a gun. Yeah. I'm like, do you have a gun? Duh. Everybody has one, probably. You know, we can carry them around anywhere we want. So anybody can, as long as you're not a felon or declared mentally unstable. And I never asked anybody, do you have a gun with you? Just don't point it at me. Yeah. I I've been shot. It hurts. Keep it in your holster, your pocket, or wherever. Long as you keep it in there, that's great. And there's people that say, I just so you know, I'm a licensed concealed carry weapons holder. I do have a weapon on me. Well, where's it at? Well, it's right here. Okay. Just keep your hands away from that. You don't have to have a license anymore. No, not anymore. Unless they're out of state, they might I get mine in case I go across a Mississippi tennis or something. In case the guy asks you. Yeah, I've got mine. Yeah. All right. So that's reasonable, articulable suspicion. Just 50% plus one. That's for detaining. And you don't, yeah, and you don't know what that one is. Right. Okay. A reasonable, prudent person is what they like to say. Right. It all starts with Terry Ohio, the we can frisk. Yes. For the safety of the officer? Yes. We never got we didn't talk about that much. That's that that was the whole circumstance, the totality of the circumstance. Business is closed at night. You know, the the cop had a lot of years' experience. He's a beat cop. He knew the area, knew the people, seen these guys acting suspicious. They were trying door handles. That's where that case law came in. They weren't walking from home to the store back to home. No. They were checking doors, right? Right. And when he patted them down, they found burglary tools. They had, yeah, and they had stolen items in their pocket. Oh, yeah. Like it was jewelry or something. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but the Terry Frisk comes into play when you are physically detained. Right. And you gotta have a reason to detain somebody, just not because I don't like your haircut. Right. Or you're recording in a public spot or you yelled at me. Crime is committed, was committed, is going to be committed. I don't like it. I don't do it to people in general, but some of these people would scream and holler at cops and cuss them out for no reason. Yeah, I don't do that. But the cops still can't do nothing. You can't yell a verbal unless they said, hey, I'm going to kill you, sucker. Something like that. I've seen people get I've seen I know somebody in particular had a passenger in her vehicle. He flipped the cops off. The cops pulled him over. I hate to break it to you. That is not a probable cause stop. That is not a reason to stop a person. Just because they flipped you off and your little badge got hurt. Little feelings got hurt. Yeah. But uh all right. What's cool for the Al. We'll get in back, we'll get back into that one another day. But uh that's all we got, Juice. You got anything else? Not today.