The Golden State Killer: How DNA Finally Caught Joseph DeAngelo

For more than four decades, Joseph DeAngelo evaded justice while investigators hunted the man known as the Golden State Killer. In this episode of Hidden Threads, we break down the crimes, the preserved forensic evidence, and the groundbreaking use of genetic genealogy that finally exposed him. From GEDmatch and family tree analysis to covert DNA collection and the privacy controversy that followed, this is the inside story of one of the most important criminal investigations in modern history. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Alright, we're recording. We were talking about your tattoos, juice, before we started.

SPEAKER_00 0:04

I just got another one.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

You're not a tattoo artist.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

No, I'm a collector.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

You have prison tats or what?

SPEAKER_00 0:09

No. At one point I will have just one tattoo.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Really?

SPEAKER_00 0:13

Yeah. Like a full body? Yeah. You don't get on your face? No. You're not going above the collar. I just got my stomach done at my sides. So my upper torso will be completely done. You get them on your legs? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Okay. So we had a guy, and I work for the State Department as a contractor. You were not allowed to have tattoos below your wrist or your sleeves were or above your collar. Well, that leaves me out. Yeah. You can't, because we wore suits and you know, they wanted a professional look, right? Now, dudes got tattooed all over, just not those parts, right? Yeah. We had a guy, he's a single guy, and he's one of these that would go to Thailand on his 30 days off instead of going to the United States and partying and drinking.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Anyways, he came back, got off the airplane, came into the camp with a big old tattoo on his neck and face. Bye-bye. And they turned him right around and flew him back out. Yep. When asked what why he did it, he said he don't remember getting it done. Yeah, okay. What an expensive tattoo.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

I uh I didn't have my hands done until a few years back. When I was working for NASA, that's when I got my hands done. Other than that, I never have I'll never have anything above the the collar, and my hands weren't tattooed at the time. We're gloves, right? Yeah, because I wore suits and stuff all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yeah. But we made about 12k a month while we were in country. And that was an expensive tat right there.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

I'm sure it's cheap in Thailand.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Yeah, that's not enough for me to give up 12K a month. Yeah. I could have waited. And I I wouldn't have been that drunk.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Man, a lot. It was a beautiful. I mean, it was a good tattoo. It was like a compass thing, compass rose that went up on his head and stuff. And he's gone. He was not allowed to work anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

So well, I hope it was worth it.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Alright, Juice. You didn't hear you remember now the Golden State Killer, right? Yeah, I remember who he was.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

He was the cop.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Yeah. 70s, was see, when was it? 70s and 80s?

SPEAKER_00 2:11

My favorite, another dirty cop.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

You know why he got fired from being a cop? No. For stealing a hammer and dog spray. Is that why he got fired? I think he was kind of out doing his extracurriculars and he would be late for shift and not show up and stuff. So we they had a he had been written up and then they finally got him for stealing stuff out of the Yeah, that was just the reason to get rid of him. Yeah. Yeah. Then he became like diesel mechanic, normal life forever. And then retired, had grandkids. Old man. Yeah. And then they came the police came and arrested him. Yeah. He didn't put his DNA in a database. It was, you know, back in the 70s, the we didn't have, you know, DNA was in its infancy. And they said, hey, preserve this just in case, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Semen, blood, whatever. All right. And they saved it. And then they finally made it where they could put it in one of these genealogy data databases and they got a hit on his daughter.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

And started looking at who her relatives were. Right. And that's how they caught him. So Yeah. And they caught him. He said, Yeah, I did it.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

You know, he didn't he's like, I'm not a technology person, but that's one time out of a million. I'm glad we have this technology.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Right. Let me look him up here.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Again, gallows, public hanging. Give me an hour to draw a crowd. Right. And then stretch his neck. You think if we did public executions in the square? Oh, that would be a deterrent.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

I think it would be awesome. Mm-hmm. They got arrested in 2018. Let's talk about him though. Joseph James D'Angelo Jr., also known as the Golden State Killer. The original Night Stalker. We need to do one on a Night Stalker. He was a nasty human. Yeah, there was something really messed up in his head. It's like a devil worship. He did seances at graveyards and stuff. Yeah. East Area rapist and uh Basilia ransacker. Okay. Oh, he got some names. He committed 13 murders and numerous rapes and burglaries. Burglaries.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Burglaries.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

I say that like I have a stroke. I can't say it good. Began in Northern California between 1974 and 1986, where he committed a minimum of 120. He broke in and stole stuff. Burglary. D and E's. Burglaries actually you break in with the intent to commit a crime. Right? Setting like that. Yeah. All right. And one murder in the San Joaquin Valley before moving to Sacramento County, where he committed at least 51 rapes and two more murders from 1976 to 79. Man a lot.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

It's got to work on the way you pronounce California town. Why? It's San Joaquin.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

I can tell you never were stationed in California. Well, I visited. We'd go out there sometimes. San Joaquin. Call me stupid. Whatever. I don't care. I'm just a redneck, you'll believe it. I did the same thing till I got out there. San Joaquin. In Southern California, D'Angelo murdered at least 10 people from 79 to 86 before going dormant. He's busy, wasn't he? After committing a series of highly publicized burglaries. How do you say Vasalia? V-I-S-A-L-I-A. Vasilia? Vasilia. It's V-I-S-A-L-I-A. Vasilia. Vassalia Basilia. Okay. D'Angelo escaped, escalated to raping victims in East Sacramento, and was additionally linked to attacks in Stockton, Modesto, and Contra Costa County. I said those correctly. Yeah. He committed serial murders in Santa Barbara, Ventura, and Orange Counties between 79 and 86. D'Angelo is believed to have taunted and threatened both victims and police via obscene phone calls and possibly written communications.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

That's crazy the amount of distance between NorCal and SoCal that he was doing that.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

That's a big stake.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Now, he's like your typical serial criminal, rapist, murderer. Just the murders and the rape was not enough. He wanted to taunt the victims. He got off on that, taunt the police. And he got to have souvenirs. He got away with it.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

During a decades-long investigation, several suspects were cleared through DNA evidence, alibis, or other investigative methods. In 2001, DNA testing indicated that the offenders labeled the East Area rapist and their original night stalker were the same person, resulting in the combined acronym IRONS, E-A-R-O-S. So they just combined it all together. The case was a factor in the establishment of California's DNA database, which collects DNA from all accused and convicted felons in California. So if you're just accused, so if you go in, they think you did it, and you be caught in for questioning. Oh yeah. They can automatically take your blood and get your saliva.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly how it works out there. I don't know if they need a search warrant to be able to do that or what. But yeah, they're going to get your DNA.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Wouldn't that be against unless they have a warrant? They can't go into your personal belongings, which is your blood and saliva. Well, yeah, that would be covered under the Fourth Amendment. So I think somebody might, if if they got it from somebody didn't get if they get convicted, everybody's like, whatever. You know, but uh if you're convicted though, if you're not, you could say, hey, that's a violation of privacy, all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Well, a lot of times I I always make fun of the the TV cop shows, but a lot of times they show you they're picking up a cigarette butt or a tan he had or a cup that he used. You can do that. You can do that. I don't know how they would do it out there without a warrant.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Well, that's like going into your house and getting documents. It's no different, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah, it's Fourth Amendment search and seizure.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah. In 2016, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and local law enforcement agencies held a news conference to announce a renewed nationwide effort. I guess so, right? My screen went away, juice. Offering a $50,000 reward for the Golden State Killer's capture on April 24, 2018, California authorities charged 72-year-old D'Angelo with eight counts of first-degree murder based on DNA evidence. Investigators had identified members of D'Angelo's family through forensic genetic genealogy. This was also the first announcement connecting the Cecilia ransacker crimes to D'Angelo. Owing to California's statute of limitations on pre-2017 rape cases. D'Angelo could not be charged with the rapes he committed in the 70s, but he was charged in August 2018 with 13 related kidnapping and adoption attempts. So I guess there's a statute limitation on rape, but not the others, right? Which is a shame. Yeah. I'm not sure what that's what it is in Alabama. I don't know either.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

I know there's not one on murder, but yeah, it's a shame because if you raped them, I don't care how much time passed, you did the crime, you're guilty.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

They shouldn't be a statute now since DNA evidence exists like it does. Use the BS5, we're not gonna solve it.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Yeah, they they can amend it, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, which is about three more years. He's old and was sentenced to life in prison without parole. All right.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

That's a shame because they should execute him.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Yeah. Old guy, he still deserves to do it. California's not gonna execute anybody.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

No, of course not.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Unless Schwarzenegger comes back. Yeah. Oh no, I would be back. Theirs is weird. So it's not taking off the books, it's just a stay by the government stay by the governor.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

So a new governor could come in and be like Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Line up, dude. Well, they they need a new governor. Well, Hilton. They got new scum out there now, and I don't really he's out of touch with reality.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Well, it looks like Hilton's doing well, the Republican.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Unless they rig it, you know, whatever. May maybe they California's actually wised up. Because it used to be nice to live out there. I I spent almost four years out there. It was really nice. I mean, I the state was good. I mean, but I don't know what's happened.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Right. I've visited everybody. I used to like going to San Diego. Oh, yeah. Pendleton area was nice. And then I haven't been out there in a long time. But yeah. We score 29 palms. I'm going out to do cacks at 29 stumps. Well, now that was like being on the moon, sort of.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Yeah. I can imagine like that. Especially when you look off in the distance and you're all mad and aggravated and you can see the lights in Barstow.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Yeah. Yeah, Barstow, Palm Springs.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Yeah. And one radio station, Q96 FM.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

And we could pick it up on the Singars if you had it running right thing. Yeah. They'd stick us out in the middle on the mountain. We did the, you know, we called in the fire support and all that stuff. We'd be out there for six, seven days. Yeah. And I don't care what time of year it was. The stupid El Nino would come in there. Oh my God. It'd rain and rain. Snow sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

It's great when you're out there for 30 days, but we didn't have the singars back then because everybody carried the Prick 77s.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

But we all had stereos, cassette players, radios that you rip out of a car and we'd stick them in our Humvees or our five tons and wire them up, and that's the only station we got. Right. The mighty Q.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Our com guy rigged up a speaker somehow. We'd sit there and listen to the radio. Yeah. But they would do like it was weird. So you'd say, okay, we're we're tactical. And you'd have to go into your hide hide, right? Yeah. If but it and they would say, okay, you're not tat, and we could hang out and sit on the rocks.

unknown 11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

You gotta play the game while you're there. That's that's what that's what they told us to do, and we did it. Yeah. We didn't sit in a hide, you know, for nine days. Yeah. But anyways, that was interesting going out to cacks. We did double cackses.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I hated going to cacks. I mean, I had a good time. I was better off in the field than I was in garrison. My old first sergeant will tell you that. I was a great field marine. I suck in garrison. But man, California back then, it was awesome out there.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

So yeah, we do double cacks and we'd get a like a six-day break in between them, right? Yeah. We'd be the only ones out there. And uh they'd let us take off and we'd go to Las Vegas or go to Joshua Tree sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

They didn't let you just go to Camp Wilson and sit there.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

We could if we wanted.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Nobody wants to be at Camp Wilson. We went to Las Vegas some. We'd go to Joshua Tree, went climbing. Joshua Tree's cool.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Joshua Tree's nice.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

A lot of hippies. Yeah, but I can deal with hippies. Yeah. We had. It's lefties I can't deal with. We went there climbing and we'd climb and then we'd hang out at night with a fire and drink beer.

SPEAKER_03 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

We had one guy hook up with a hippie chick and came up gone. And he came back and we're really we had a van, right? And he came back. Hey, I'm ready to go. Okay. You know. What'd y'all do? Oh, we went driving around. Okay. Yeah, no, you didn't. So we came back about a week later, we had to take a piss test. He pissed hot for marijuana, and we'll and see you later. Oh, what an idiot. Sergeant. Yeah, he was gone. They kicked him out. So, you know, the higher rank you are, the worse it is on the phone. Oh, yeah. He got administratively discharged.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

But yeah, we had a guy, we were out on CACS, and his wife showed up. He went and got a hotel out in town. We took off that next morning. They're like, where's so and so? Missing movement. He got court-martialed, got booted out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

That town, there's not much to it. It used to not be. I don't know what it is now. No.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

I got friends of mine that still they retired and they're out in the stumps. Have a business out there. They live out there. And it's it's not that bad, I don't think, anymore.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

What's the town called? Is it 29 palms? Yeah. I was thinking. I thought that was the name of the base. I guess it is the name of the base, too. Yeah. That base. Now when you get over in Mainside, that was a pretty nice little setup they had.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah. We used to hitchhike from Camp Wilson over to Mainside. Yeah, we did that. Get beer and then hitch rides back.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Yeah, do you throw you in a truck, give you a ride.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

But uh, all right, we digressed. Yeah, I know. To California in general.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Yeah. Let's talk about back then California was nice. Government now, not so nice.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Let's talk about Joseph D'Angelo and his upbringing. All right. He was born in New York to Kathleen K. Louis DeGroat and Joseph James D'Angelo Sr., a sergeant in the Army. What's up, Sarge? He is a partial Italian ancestry. I don't care. He was regular regularly abused by both parents throughout his childhood. While a child, D'Angelo's family was stationed in West Germany where two airmen forced D'Angelo to witness a rape of one of his sisters in a U.S. Air Force base warehouse. There's always something in their background. Yeah. Puts an extra wrinkle in their brain. It makes them weird.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Yeah, stuff like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

He received his GED. Okay. He played on a junior varsity baseball. According to prosecutors, D'Angelo committed burglary. Burglaries. He went into a building with the uh with the intent to commit another crime. An unoccupied dwelling and stole stuff. Male theft and tortured and killed animals during his teenage years. Yeah. He's he hits all the serial killer. Yeah. He went in the military, went in the Navy. That's one problem right there.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Well, not everybody can be one of us. The men's department? Yeah. He served 22 months during the Vietnam War as a damaged controlman aboard the cruiser USS Canberra. Fine. And as the and a destroyer tender on the USS Piedmont. He attended Sierra College in Rockland, California, graduating with an associate degree in police science. And he enrolled in Sacramento State and earned a bachelor's degree in criminal justice. I guess you got to study up before you actually start cranking out crimes. So he actually did his time in the Navy and finished college. A lot of these guys are they'll almost finish stuff. You know what I mean? They'll they get kicked out of the army for something stupid or they can't make grades in college. So they they try to do something to fulfill himself. He actually finished his stuff. Yeah, which is surprising. Yeah. But here we go. Here's where he did not complete his tenure. Police officer. From May 1973 to August 1976, D'Angelo served as a burglary unit police. They love that word here. Yeah. In Exeter, in Exeter, California, having relocated from Citrus Heights, uh, he assisted in the search for himself as the Vasilia ransacker.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

That's awesome. So he's doing this stuff as a cop. He then worked in Auburn from August 1976 to 79. Nick Willock, who would later become chief of police, stated he was an unremarkable officer who would stand too close to other officers and citizens. So he was a close talker.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

When Willock pointed this out to him, he did not handle the criticism well and sulked. He went and pouted about it. He was arrested for shoplifting. Oh, okay, here's why he got fired. In July 1979, he was arrested for shoplifting a hammer and dog repelling. So he did not steal it from the police. He shoplifted it, got caught, and they fired him. During arrest, he defecated himself, feigned a heart attack, and fought store security. Good luck. So he crapped his pants, acted like he's having a heart attack, and fought everybody. When deputies arrived, he rolled around in a chair he was tied to, feigning madness before admitting it was an act. So he tried to act crazy. Oh yeah. He received a six-month probation sentence and was fired that October. For sure. During the termination process, D'Angelo allegedly stalked the chief's home. Willock's daughter told Willock that a man had shown a flashlight into her room. However, he dismissed it. D'Angelo had brought a work-related stress claim against the city and admitted to going to Willock's house to a th to a therapist. And however, he could not locate Willock's bedroom. Willock did not believe D'Angelo, assuming it was a ploy for the claim. Once identified as a potential suspect in March 14, 2018, Paul Holes contacted Willock and told him a story. Holes realized then he was definitely the perpetrator he was looking for. So yeah, he's he got fired and then went and so that's that's one so these serial people, serial rapists, serial murders, whatever, they typically started something and didn't finish well. Right. And but the military college marriages, this guy's police force, and we'll see had some marriage issues as well.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Well, he did well in a lot of things and finished a lot of things, but the police and just got him. Yeah, he investigated himself about that.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

That's crazy talk. Yeah. In 1970, he got engaged as a nursing student, Bonnie Jean Cowell, and that was one of his classmates in college. But he ended ended the relationship in 71 because they became manipulative manipulative and abusive. How come I can't talk, Juice? I don't know. It it's not enough coffee, I'm sure. I had a stroke or something. Yeah. Then he married Sharon Marie Huddle in a ceremony held in Auburn. They purchased a house in Citrus Heights where he would later be arrested decades afterwards. So this is the same house he got arrested in. They also bought a second home in Long Beach and lived there for much of the 1980s. Huddle became a divorce attorney. His wife became a divorce attorney in 82. They had three daughters, two born in Sacramento and one in Los Angeles, and the couple separated in 91. Several months after D'Angelo's arrest in 2018, Huddle fired for a divorce. So she didn't, they didn't get divorced all the way. Finalized the following year. Neither his wife nor his children suspected he had committed serious crimes. His eldest daughter described him as a perfect father. While his wife accepted his explanations for being away from home. His employment during the 80s is unclear. It's expected he worked as a computer engineer and as a cashier. From 80 until his retirement in 2017, he worked as a truck mechanic at Save Mart Supermarkets Distribution Center in Roseville. He was arrested in 1996 for failing to pay for gasoline, but the charge was dismissed.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

All right.

unknown 20:09

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

D'Angelo's brother-in-law stated D'Angelo would casually bring up the East Area rapist in conversation around the time of the original crimes. Neighbors also reported he frequently engaged in loud profane outbursts. I saw a documentary on him. He'd always holler at the kids next door. Like they were allowed. Get off my lawn, that kind of game. Oh, yeah. Put up a fence and they were still too loud and all that. One neighbor said his family received phone messages from D'Angelo threatened to deliver a load of death because of their barking dog. And their dog actually did come up dead. Like it was poisoned or something.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

If you hurt my dog, I will come full John Wick on you.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

It was a big Rottwaller, nice dog, and they think he poisoned it, but they couldn't prove it. Yeah. So yeah, now we're back to the murders. He did all these things. He started out, he would go into the go into houses and ransack the houses. Then he started raping the women. Then he progressed to killing them. All right. And that was a progression and got away with it for years. So a cop asked in one of the documentaries, he said a great observation. Most of these people cannot stop.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

They can put that pause on for a little while, but they have to go do it. That's their thrill. Like an alcoholic. Right. You might can stop for a little while, but then you go back and have a bender. Right. Right. Do you think he actually stopped?

SPEAKER_00 21:24

No.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

He just got more, you got better, right? At his craft.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

He either got better or he started watching a little closer on what he was doing. Which would be weird because they just continue the same way over and over. But because he finished school in military and he was very proficient, I think he started watching what he was doing a little closer.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Right. Spreading out his locations. Yeah. Or making them random. Right. That's what gets him a lot too. It's not DNA. It's the low they can If you do it enough times, they can get those locations and try to pinpoint your maybe not your house, but your starting point.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Where you start where you take off, right? But yeah, he finally got caught because his daughter had entered her DNA into one of these DNA databases, Ancestry.com. I'm not sure the exact one.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

It was one of the ancestry sites.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Yeah, you spit in a tube, send it in, they check it.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Tells you if you're American Indian, uh, you're kin to Teddy Roosevelt, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

I've done it. I haven't come up as a list for any serial killers.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Did you? Were you related to Ronald Reagan?

SPEAKER_00 22:31

No.

unknown 22:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Nobody famous?

SPEAKER_00 22:32

No. Everybody in my family goes back to England, UK, Wales, Swindon, England. Swindon? Yeah. Your Stonehenge. Ekmund wire.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

It's off Andy Griffith's show, by the way. Yeah. But uh Yeah, but that's how he got caught, man. They they started I give it to the police. This is a cold case, and they did not let it rest. They had somebody that said, Hey, let's try this every so often.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

That's what we need to do is start checking out cold cases in the area. They don't pay you though. Well, if they did, that would be cool.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

I'm a for-profit agency juice. Yeah. So now I've had I've had code cases brought to me by family and they said, Hey, work this.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

And they brought up the DNA stuff. And I said, It's a shot in the dark. Like the guy said in this article, we didn't have the right hay, we didn't even know what the haystack was to search for the needle. Right. They found it, found the haystack, and then they could find the needle, right? You know, they're like, hey, let's turn some DNA. I said, well, first of all, the DNA evidence is in police custody. They're not gonna just let me have it. No. They just don't let us have it. And then second of all, it's uh we could try it, but it just had some relative somewhere would have had to fit in the tube, and then it would have to be a close match to the perpetrator. Oh, yeah. And they said, Well, I'll bring it up to police, we'll bring it up to them. I don't know, they might do it.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Yeah, it it they won't let that stuff go.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

The uh, you know, the Walker County Sheriff's Department probably is not gonna run it through Ancestry. No, they are not. They probably get two guys and they're overwhelmed with whatever going on. And they're like, I don't know about that. But uh they might. Now the FBI will come in and help sometimes if it's a big enough case. Yeah. Like a serial killer cross gotta be something notoriety-wise.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

They don't typically get into the local shootouts or stabbings and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

No, unless it's you know, kidnapping or cross-state lines or children involved, those kind of things.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

This guy was, you know, he raped 41 people, it was a big deal, right? Yeah. What do you think of this guy, Juice? He's a real sweetheart. He's in jail now in California.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

And unfortunately, again, California used to be a nice state. They used to execute scumbags. Well, here's a scumbag dirty cop, and they're gonna let him live. Well, Pilton gets in there, he's gonna be like, well, line him up. Time to vacate.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

We gotta make some room. Yeah, we gotta make some room at the end.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I hope he puts an express lane in. He said he's pro-death penalty. So good.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Because the constitution, I believe I'm right. I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong. The constitution of California has not changed. It's just to stay by the governor. Yeah, like an executive order kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yes. But if they want to save money, I volunteer to go out on my dime using my ammo and my weapons to go ahead and carry out the execution, free of charge.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

I'm not wasting ammo on these dudes.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Oh, hi ham.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

I got I got saved up ammo. I I can use some. I'm just gonna throw them out in the wilderness naked and say survive. So no, because there's some of them that can actually do it, and I don't want that to happen.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Okay. All right. I was gonna like record it and make a YouTube special.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Oh, like uh, what was it, uh, Death Race or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

The movie Survival where they're getting hunted through the jungle. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a murderer. I just don't like these rapists and murderers getting to live and eat three meals a day. Correct. I don't like it. Because we're all paying for it and the victims can't come back. Some of a lot of those in California that are sitting there eating three meals a day rape children. Yes. Even I mean rape. And they shouldn't be breathing. Right.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I'd say a good way to do it. Cut their hands off and then make them survive.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

No, that's still not good enough.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

I would take their hands and their feet. Actually, their arms and their legs. I'll call them Bob. And then tell them, there you go. Survive in the jungle, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Did you see Joey Jones that had his legs missed and went back in the Marines?

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Yeah, I seen that. EOD guy.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

He said that he does a lot of pull-ups because he lost some weight in his lower body. Yeah, he's a hard charger, that one. I guess he can pass the PT test. He does his uh little run or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

He looks like he could pass the PT test.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

He's got to run three miles. I'm sure he's been working, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Oh, yeah, he didn't just say I'm going back in.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

They they're not gonna let you unless you pass that. No. The Marines ain't like the army where we'll let you in on a profile. Right. Where you get to do a rower.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Although I was with a guy, my my gunny, Gunny Cathy. I'm sure he's he's passed away by now. He's a Vietnam vet. He got all shot to hell over there in Vietnam. He didn't have to take PT test. That's just because nobody begrudged him of it either. This is because the colonel said, Hey, this guy don't take the PT test. No, no, I'm pretty sure everybody from Division Down knows Gunny Cathy didn't PT. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

So in SOI, School of Infantry, for people who don't know, right? We had a first sergeant that was a Vietnam veteran. Good dude, man. Hard on us, you know, and taught us real stuff. And he was even hard on the other instructors, the sergeants, you know what I mean? Yeah. I love that guy. And I go out into the second force recon company, and we get attached to 2nd Battalion or Second or Third Battalion.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

I forgot, one of the regiments. Anyway, and the company we're on the boat with, he's the first sergeant.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

We you know, we talked and hung out and stuff. Anyway, come back, and he got into an altercation at the Jacksonville airport and got shot and killed. What? Yeah, this is back in the 90s. Man. Yeah. That sucks. Anyways, that's my story for the day. So back to D'Angelo. Yeah, got caught by DNA. An interesting story. Don't spit in the tube, Juice, unless you want to get caught. Yeah, well, too late. I spit in the tube. His daughter did it. He's not even, he didn't even do it.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Which is a great thing. I mean, that that's one of those things where I could say, hey man, I love technology. Other than that, technology, I'd rather be downrange than playing with computers and all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

I'm too old for downrange, so that's why I'm doing techie stuff now.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

So I'm slower, but I'll still go downrange.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

I don't care. All right, we're gonna call it quits for now. We'll be back with another episode soon. Say bye juice. Bye juice.