The Art of the Con: How Hackers Talk Their Way Past Everything

The biggest breaches in history didn't start with a line of code — they started with a phone call, a friendly email, or a guy in a hi-vis vest walking straight through the front door. This week Jus and I get into social engineering: the art of manipulating people into handing over the keys instead of breaking the lock.

We break down the classic plays — phishing, pretexting, tailgating, and the help-desk vishing calls that took down entire casino networks. We get into why confidence and a clipboard beat firewalls every time, how attackers research a target before they ever make contact, and the psychological triggers — authority, urgency, fear, and the simple human urge to be helpful — that make it all work.

Then the part I deal with as an investigator: how to spot it, how to train your people to hang up the phone, and what the aftermath actually looks like when someone falls for it. If you run a business, manage a team, or just answer your own phone, this one will change how you hear that next "urgent" call.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Okay, Juice, you disclosed to me. We're recording, by the way. You like how I start talking? Yeah, what did I disclose this time? You bought another motorcycle. Oh, yeah. Is it an Indian? No. What is it? A Harley? Yeah, it's another Harley. You don't buy Indians? No. Are Indians the same as they were back when they've been they passed through different over the years or something? Yeah. They're still good bike though, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:23

Yeah, they're on two wheels, they run. Where are they where's their parts built? I have no idea anymore.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Are they assembled in America?

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Because nothing's really made in America. It ain't like the old Ford plant where they made their barrel bearings at the plant. Yeah, they don't do that anymore. You import your stuff and put it together, right? Yeah. Harley Davidson does it too. So you know, you invested it in a new motorcycle. I just invested it in a new HVAC. That's about the same price. Pretty close, yeah. Seems ridiculous, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

It's but they're needed this time of year when it's 106. Yeah. Even at my place, my HVAC was like 10 grand just for my place. Your little yours ain't that little.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Your medium-sized home.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

So we've got two on our house that we live in. One end is newer. We remodeled. Yeah. And then the old one was about 20 years old, and then one started petering out on us. And the guy was like, you know, you spend $2,500 or $3,000 today and it might last you two more years. And I was like, let's just get another one. So it's easier. It's better that way. Right. And it and it's one of those new two stagers. Oh, big money. It sounds like a jet engine taking off a lot of it. So but it'll keep you cool. There's air moving around in there. It doesn't trickle out, it blows now. Yeah. I like it. My wife's like, it's loud. And she's used to it now. It'll just hum you to sleep. Yeah, she loves it now. So she was in there with a blanket on the other day. I was like, that's when you know it's good. It's supposed to be better, like it's supposed to be way more efficient, but less money. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Yeah, you'll find out on that first electric bill.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

We'll find out in about 30 days, I guess. But tell me about this motorcycle. We skipped around again.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

Oh yeah. It's it's another Harley. I so I've got the wide glide, and now I bought the switchback. So you can make it a cruiser or a touring bike. What's the difference? Touring bike's a little bit bigger, got bags on it, and all that other stuff. Put all your little lickies and chewies and your makeup and you know, your purse and beer and whatever else they stick in them. Does it have wider tires? It does. It does. What does wider tires do to you? More rubber on the road. Slower yet more traction, right? It depends.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

But it it gives you more traction. And the bigger the tire, the little more attention you got too, right? Yeah. When you're going down a highway.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Does it have shocks on it? Oh yeah. With my back as bad as it is, you think I'd be riding a hardtail, a rigid? No.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

So what's the soft tail mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Soft tail? Yeah. It's just the back end, you know, has shocks to it, one way or another, whether you can see them and they're on the sides and external on this from the swing arm to the frame or they're underneath.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Right. I always thought a soft tail was like how the rear enemies are designed. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

It's just the shocks, huh?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Yeah, the location of the shocks. Okay. The soft tails themselves have more of a hardtail look because they hide the shocks underneath.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

So my dirt bike just had one big shock in the back in the frame. Mono shock. Yeah. Yeah. That's a dirt bike. So the thing would scream, man. Oh, yeah, they do. I wrecked it a bunch. That thing was tough. I ran it into a pond. Been hit by a car. That thing ran like I I don't know who's got it now, but I bet it's still running.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Oh yeah. I've only been hit one time. I won't well. I laid a bike down in California once at a stop stoplight. It's when I was enjoying the beverages. Right. Forgot to put my feet down and fell over like the old guy on the laughing series. He'd pedal the bike and fall over. Right. Yeah, I did that. I was drinking and driving my motorcycle and right in front of an oceanside cop, I never put my feet down, fell over. He gave you a ticket? He was nice enough at that time back then to realize I was a dumb jar head and took me back to the base and dropped me off at the gate.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

What'd you do with your motorcycle?

SPEAKER_02 4:15

I left it there until the next day, like he said. Just park it. Yeah. But I've only had one accident. Some guy looked right at me, came into my lane, and hit me.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

So this one was parked in my in the yard, and my cousin, she can't, she couldn't drive and barreled over it in the car. Oh, that's just she thought she backed over it. So had to get some new handlebars. But other than that, it was pretty good. Yeah, it still ran though, didn't it? Picked it up and drove it. Yeah. It was an old Suzuki. Oh yeah. The Suzuki still make dirt bikes. Yeah. Sure, they do. They make everything. Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki. Yeah, this thing was a 500 CC.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Oh, yeah, that thing would scream.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

My dad got it used somewhere for cheap, and I guess he just wanted me to die. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. But uh he liked riding it too. So um talking more about some identity theft today, Juice. Awesome. Now this one's frustrating. It doesn't tell how these hackers got into this database, but I'm sure it was some kind of social engineering. Sure. If you don't know what social engineering is, that's where I talk you out of something through lies. That's a nice way of saying I'm a lie and impersonate somebody. Con man. Give me a confidence man. Yeah. You give me information and I can get in. Speaking of which, we just had a client, rich lady, and her husband, you know, they split up and separated bank accounts, all that. The judge said so. And money's been coming out of her account. And we finally got to the root of it where he kind the receptionist out of giving him the login details. So it can happen, man.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

It's just as easy as Yeah, well, somebody's losing their job and somebody's going to jail.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Yeah. I mean, it's people like to think all these hackers, they they use some sophisticated code and all this. Sometimes they do with the with a phishing scam, but most of the time they just talk somebody out of it. Gift the gab.

unknown 6:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

I have talked to airlines and gotten plane ticket information. Yeah. I'm not telling how or when. It's easy to do. You can get hotel information, receipts. They'll mail you, they'll email you the tickets. You know what I mean? And you can say who's in this, who's in whose ticket they bought, their girlfriend they took with them, and everything. So it's easy to do. You just gotta be willing to talk and be convincing.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Not let's see. What's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, you gotta be convincing.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

You can't hesitate when they ask you anything. You you gotta be ready to answer. You gotta have your data right, the right birthdays and the right this and that addresses and those things.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

You gotta have it driver's license number, which is easily attainable online with your name and date of birth.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

It is.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

What else can I do with the name and date of birth, Juice?

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Oh, we can get your credit card information. We can get your bank account information.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

I can get your flight information.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

We can get anything.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

And get who your car loans with?

SPEAKER_02 7:06

Yeah. We do it ethically, though. Is it? Yeah. I mean, you're doing it for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

So I've gotten hotel information, pretending to be somebody one time. Right. I was on the stand, and the opposing lawyer said, Well, that wasn't ethical. And my lawyer said, Well, he's not bound by the same ethics we are. That's right. And then they started arguing over should a lawyer use unethical information they received. You know, that's not my argument, but okay, well, it's not fruit of the poisonous tree. No.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

So it's usable.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

I didn't get it. I didn't go in and hold it, put it somebody at gunpoint. They gave it to you willingly. Yeah. It's up to the holder to secure data. It's not up to me to secure data.

SPEAKER_01 7:47

No, and I I think it's how it's used afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Right. If you're using it for a malicious intent, that's different. If you're using it on a case where it's going in front of a judge, a jury, mitigators, whatever, you didn't take it in the information and go get a credit card and start ringing it up, buy a new car. You know, I didn't steal it.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Steal the information. Cops do it all the time. Of course they do more. You know, they do social engineering and get info. So of course they do. And then their notes are usable in court. So they typically though, that does not that's not the evidence the evidence is they're lying, they lied about. I said, I've never slept with another woman. Well, here you are at a hotel with her. Yes. Uh we got your video going in.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Maybe here's sleep, but you were there with her doing something you shouldn't have been doing.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Y'all use the bed. How about that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

But they didn't sleep, so he's telling the truth.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Right. Okay. But this one here is the Texas Parks and Wildlife Service. Right. All right. You wouldn't think, I mean, the hunting license guys, right? Yeah, fishing game. Uh, this was written in 2026. It's got Ken Paxson quoted in here. Oh. The Attorney General of Texas running for senator, right? I think he is. Yeah. Yeah. He's running for season. And Mike Lee's running for his job. They're swipping, basically swapping places. Yeah, they're swapping. Yeah. Paxon's running against that Dweeb Democrat guy. The pretend preacher guy. What's this? Yeah, I can't think of his name. Anyways, he says that there's eight genders and all that stuff. Yeah. Very confused individual.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Yes, he is extremely.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

What happened here? There was a breach. Now that doesn't tell us what how the breach happened, which I guarantee if we got into it, it was a social engineering. Right. Somebody accidentally gave up the username to their login stuff. And here we go. They got names and date of birth of everybody registered with a fish license or a hunting license. Right. Including stamps. Oh, yeah. Special game, right? So now, name and date of birth, yeah, you know, I don't think much about it. That's kind of what we call light personally identifiable information. It's not the social, it's not the personally identifiable information is everything put together. So if I got your name, date of birth, and social and address, right? Then we know a lot. We got a lot about you. Oh, yeah. Name and date of birth, yeah, we can look up things on you, right? And it just makes it more difficult to get into your bank accounts and all that. Now, if I got a social and some other information, then yes, we could possibly it makes the the job of the scumbag easier.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Yeah. The more information. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

So with this information though, they got a lot of data. And what it does, it opens them up to phishing scams too. So not the F fishing, the PH fishing. Right. Well, I got Johnny here. He's a hunter in the fish and wildlife. Now I have the fish and wildlife department's URL, you know, whatever it is, Texasfish and Wildlife.com. I can put an email to him and say, hey, click this link. And that's where the malicious code comes in. Right. He clicks it, then I got the proper code, the inject, they call it, and then I got access to his phone, his computer, and that's where I can get a lot of stuff. Oh, yeah. I can start logging in through your Google and all that kind of weird stuff like that. It's kind of how that goes down. What do you think of that? It's it's pretty easy. Yeah. The only time we've been hacked as a company is a former employee. I did not close her out of her Microsoft her 365 account.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

And then she went in and started emailing current and previous clients a bunch of nasty stuff about me. So finally got her out though. And she put it on auto too, so it was like every day they would just send out a handful of emails.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Oh, that was nice of her.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Now she was not a she was a green card holder, a permanent resident. That's a little higher than a green card, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Not a citizen. But she was Dutch. Okay. Now, I got in and looked where these emails originated from. Guess where they originated from?

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Huh?

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Denmark.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Imagine that.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

You got one of her homeboys, screw with me from Denmark. I'm like, why didn't I say, why don't you use a Russian IP? You can move them around. Yeah. And I never I never confronted her about it. I just stopped it.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Yeah, I don't get that. You have a fallen out, just go on. We didn't really have a falling out. She changed job. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Whatever it is, don't who cares?

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Just stop. Just go to your new job. I guess you thought I was gonna try to keep her, you know. Talk her into staying.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Yeah. Oh, please, I'll give you $10 million a year.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

I'm not doing that. So but anyway, that was a crazy one with the fish and wildlife. And the next one, the doctor's office ransomware. What do you think of that one?

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Oh, that's another place.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

This is in France. France's National Statistics Department NC, which is the name of the company, reported a cyber attack that exposed identity and professional contact data for around 12,800 current and former staff and related civil service personnel.

SPEAKER_03 12:53

Did I get the wrong one here?

SPEAKER_04 12:57

Let me click on it again, Juice. Sorry about that. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

So this one, they hacked doctor's offices. Alright.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Alright. And then they got everything. They got when they got in that system, they got passwords, personal contact details, bank details, social security numbers, and health information.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

Yeah. That that's like the the schmorgis board is is medical. It's the biggest business going.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Yeah. And it's, you know, hip is a big deal. And there's some, you know, it gets violated a lot by accident. Yeah. And I'm sure this was another one where some person gave up access to their database and the hackers got it, you know, and pretending to be somebody else. Yeah. Social engineering is the crux of hacking. I'm a professional ethical hacker, juice. Right.

unknown 13:56

Ethical.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

People think that's funny. It says it in there. Well, it's true. But it starts with somebody tricking you into clicking or giving up data. Right. That can be through an email, text message, or in person or over the phone. It's all the same stuff. Right? Hey, look here. Emergency, click here and fix it. Whatever. You know what I mean? And unfortunately, people do it. And when they got this kind of information with bank details and health information, they can do a lot.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

They can do it from the doctor's office. Now, now you've been there. How busy are the doctor's offices? There's sick people there day in and day out. It's always I feel bad for the staff because they're really working, they're hustling. Right. How hard would it be just to call and say, this is so-and-so? We noticed this. There's something wrong with your computer. Just give them the name and password, tell them to fix it.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

We got people standing in line.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

Yeah. You're trying to hurry up and get people, sick people taken care of. We got a lobby full of people. Right. Whatever.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

It's very easy for them to do that at that point. I was at the dentist up here at five last month, and I got there at eight in the morning. It was already, there's already 12 people in there. Yeah. Sitting around waiting. It's crazy. I mean, they get it, they get you through there, but but still, it's busy. It's humping. They had one girl running the front. Yeah. So I get busy. When we get three or four cases a week, you know, I'm like, man, I gotta manage it, you know, manage. Imagine you had 20 charts a day you're trying to fumble through.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Yeah. But but you wear you wear a dozen, two dozen different hats. No, not as bad as I used to be. So I give her Chana. You haven't met her yet, have you?

SPEAKER_00 15:27

No.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

No, you you keep me in the closet. I'm like gorilla in a trunk thing.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Well, you work at that plant now. Yeah. You love it, don't you, Jeez? I do this week. You're so happy. We gotta talk about this.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

Why are you so happy today? Because you slept. I got the night off. I got some sleep. It it's our little cowardly snitch quit. That's a cowardly snitch.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Yeah, he quit. So the cancer in the shop is gone. It's beautiful. Right. Have they ever been hacked down there before? I don't know if they've been hacked or not. I bet they have. They just don't know it. I'm probably sure they have.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

There was a big plant, and Abertwo we worked on, helped. I'm not going to say the name. It's embarrassing. But they got hit with ransomware. Right. And we got down to the crux of the problem, and it was a woman in HR clicked on an email. And that's all froze the bank accounts and said, We'll unfreeze them when you pay me $2.2 million. Yeah. And they had cyber insurance. You know, it's a thing now. And but the deductible is like $25,000. You know, it's not cheap. And this is a good company, but it's not a, you know, it's not Tesla or SpaceX.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Let me tell you, NASA, NASA did really good on phishing scams and and your emails. And they always give you classes that you had to do to update everything. They were really good at preventing hacking. Right. Even they still got hacked.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Right. Yeah. It's the the end user is the weak point. Right. The terminal user we call it. Absolutely. And that's the weak point in your personal information. You know, just walking around with your personal phone and computer, or even at work. You know?

SPEAKER_04 17:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

And it's crazy. What was that class would it take every year where you had to go through the cartoon thing where it says, you secured a data breach? Oh my God. Yeah, they still do that. Yeah, I remember that. I did do it in the army. Yeah. Every year. We always made fun of it. NASA still does it. But it's is actually a good class because it made you click and look at things. Oh yeah. It's kind of corny how they still do it. They all still do it. Right. But it wasn't bad. I mean, it's cyber awareness. That's what it was. Remember that? Cyber awareness. Took you about an hour every year to work it out. But that's a good class because it actually shows you what a spoofed email looks like, which is say at nasa.com. It may say at nasa-right.com.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Something spelled different, or it's using a capital letter instead of lowercase letters. Yeah. There's always something little thing that looks out of normal. But it looks good. Yeah. Looks legit. You click on it. It looks good till you you really look at it and you're like, oh man, I clicked on it. Clicked on it and they inject it into your computer.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Yeah. Now they get access to the Pentagon. Yeah. Now the Pentagon approach.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

You've been hacked.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

But yeah, it's uh it's a end user's the weak point of any computing system, and that's what they that's the vulnerability. That's where they take it.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

And it's not just your computer. It's the little handheld computers we have every day. Yeah. Uh people take nothing. You know how much financial data is on a phone? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

I logged in this morning, looked at my bank account. Yeah. They get your phone, you're done. Right. I'm going to tell something here. I keep notes on a digital note. It's got passwords and usernames.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

Imagine them getting that.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

I mean, it I like I have to, it's so big I have to search it. They'll get your hair club for a men account. Oh you don't want them to have that. We need to probably get them on as a sponsor. That would be awesome. But yeah, I mean, social engineering is the crux of is the initiating point of all hacks, whether it be through email, text, well, email phishing. Right. SMS text is called smishing. Do you know that? Uh yes, yes. Then you get over the phone. Social engineering or in person, they could even do it. So it's a big deal. Massive data breaches start that way. And even small ones where your personal identification does. And what they do too is they have what we call bot computers, fake computers out there, and all they're doing is sending out messages all day.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Hoping that they might send out four million messages a day and three people click on it. And then they got them.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Right. So but that goes back to the just the very basic. If you don't know who that is emailing you or sending you that text, don't open it. Right. You know, if I get email from Mackey Lee, I'm going to call you and say, hey, did you send me this?

SPEAKER_00 20:04

I've done that before. Ask them, hey, did you send this?

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Yeah. Because it's just out of the norm for you to send me something that says Mackie Lee.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

So I've got a domain that you know, Shadownet Digital or my name, Mackie Outlaw. You like, I know those. If it says Macy L outlaw, yeah. It's a red flag for me. And you got that lowercase L, which is barely C, you know. And that's kind of how they do it.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Yeah. And that's a red flag. And people need to be aware of that. I mean, they they just say, Oh, it's just an email. It's not just an email. That's the way they're attacking your computer, your phone. That's it right there. Just don't click on it. Call the person and say, Hey, did you send me this?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Right. Outlook's getting better. Even if somebody hadn't emailed me in a long time, like somebody emailed me from like three years ago, and the Outlook said, Hey, you haven't heard from this person in a while. Check the domain. Yeah, I mean, like if somebody else took over the domain or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Yeah. I just got an email, well, a text from my old first sergeant, and it was a recipe for a hamburger. Did you go burger sergeant? Yeah. Well, it's it's Danny now, so yeah. But first sergeant Ewing, he he sent me a recipe, and I'm like, that's that's a scam. So I text him on the regular phone number. I'm like, hey, did you send me this? He's like, oh yeah, you gotta try it and tell me how it is. Okay. Because he's he's down in the Philippines. They get Australian beef, they don't get American beef.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

They get wagyu from Texas. They get Wagyu.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

They probably have everything that's Japanese stuff, right? Yeah. But yeah, I had to call and verify it was him because it was just out of the ordinary. Most of the time we're sending each other, you know, jokes and Marine Corps stuff, and I got a recipe, and I'm like, that's out of the norm. That can't be him. Right. It was. You just call, text, do something to verify who that sender is.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Right. First sergeant store, you ready? Yeah, go ahead. So that last universe sergeant I was in the army. We had a first sergeant, and I knew. him when he's a staff sergeant. Right. And I was a staff sergeant. And then he be he shows up there as a new first company first sergeant. Nice. H H C right. And I'm a major. And and we and him go at each other like you know how we mean like me and you talk to each other. Yeah. And people are looking at us like are you serious? Are you going to fight? We're like, no, we're not going to fight. Yeah. And like every time I saw him I go first sergeant. And he'd say stuff. I am going to repeat it on the air here, but his name is Dave, but he retired too about the same time I did. I haven't talked to him in a while but me and him were staff sergeants and then asked the girl together. Yeah. And then he I go to the reserves and commission. And then I he shows up in the reserves later as a first sergeant. Right. At a headquarters company. Well he's just that's nice he's checking his two year box to get sergeant major. You know what I mean? So that's what he was doing. And I I I don't think he he got burned out and he didn't he said I'm not going to Sergeant Major Academy. So that's a one year course.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah you know the reserves for me it it'll burn you out dealing with the petty crap and it it it gets to you.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Well you know the thing that bothered me about the reserves is all right we have drill. So we do a two day drill we got over our little administrative checkoffs done. Yeah. Everything's looking good. All right. Got all those unit points. You go to your regular job come back 30 days later and everything's on fire again. I'm like dude yeah we've been gone for 30 days. Yeah. How about slow down? Because you got the full timers in Kentucky somewhere firing off hey you guys are missing this, missing this. Well you know specialist Johnny Bob, you know, he's been MIA for about three years. We don't know who he is. Yeah. We need to go to his house. No, I'm not I'm not going to this house they're trying to get me as a major to go check with the kid. I'm like this administratively discharge the guy. Yeah. Move on with our lives instead of raising Kane about all this. Just dump them. Yeah. Take them off the books. This ain't active duty.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

You know if he don't want to show up for two days I'm not going to make them oh there's people that some of these units they'll send officers out to the house and I have the kid picked up.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

They got mad at me because I wouldn't and I'm like just discharge the kid. It's a it's an administrative separation. Just get rid of them. I've done it. I've I've filled out the paperwork. Yeah I'm like and they're like we can do that sir. And I'm like yeah you can I've done it. It's very easy. It don't take much. But back then they were hurting on numbers and they were trying to get everybody there to make their numbers look good. And I'm like I don't care about your numbers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

So go recruit. There's there's a lot of times you don't need those numbers to make mission.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

I don't care that you know the executive branch was a disaster at the time and nobody wanted to come in the military. Huh imagine that we won't we won't we're going to name names we could you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. But anyway, yeah that was the first one we digressed a lot.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

Yeah we did. But it just like I said it's just because I said I got a recipe it was out of the norm. Call and check. It's it everybody can do that. If you don't know the person don't answer the email don't open it. Don't do anything with it. If you think it's suspicious call that person if you think it is 90% chance it is. Yeah. And by the way the recipe for the burger was the bomb man. Where's my great burger? I didn't make it.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

My wife made burgers yesterday they were good. Yeah. She cooks them on a she don't put them on a grill. She gets a skillet with olive oil and presses another skillet on top of them.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Yeah I don't do that. They're really good. It goes on a grill. I actually made it with beef and venison. Ooh and both burgers were really meat in my freezer.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

You didn't eat it yet not yet. It's still good.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Slacker. Still good it's all right October's coming we we got a new year.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

So my dog is a better deer hunter than you. I don't know if I should not he killed a six pointer. Oh that was nice. Which dog though? Buddy the little half crippled one yeah I love that we I sent you the picture of the deer head. Yeah. He drug that up out of the woods. So I was laughing about that. Something else got it and he I don't know where the head I was wanting to hang it up in the tree like yeah but he drug it off somewhere else so it stunk a little too so but it doesn't only stinks for a little while and then it's done.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Not a lot of meat on the head but anyway.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

So yeah he's killed more deer than you have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

No he hasn't killed more than me. He just killed a nicer one that I killed out of season too.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Yeah. But uh I think probably died of old age and everything been eaten on it. So yeah. But uh or whatever. All right juice we're out of here for this one. Awesome. We'll talk more in a minute