Nothing Is Ever Deleted: Data Recovery & the Art of the Con

You hit delete and think it's gone. It isn't. This week Jus and I get into two sides of the same coin: how deleted data gets pulled back from the dead, and how con artists talk people out of that data in the first place.On the forensics side, I break down what actually happens when you "delete" a file, why your phone and hard drive are keeping receipts you never agreed to, and how examiners recover texts, photos, and files people swore were long gone. It's the stuff that wins court cases and ends a lot of "I never sent that" arguments real quick.Then we flip to social engineering — the human side of the breach. We cover the phishing emails, the fake help-desk calls, and the confidence plays that get people to hand over passwords and secrets without a single line of code. Same lesson from both angles: the trail is always there, and the weakest link is usually the person, not the machine.If you own a phone, run a business, or have ever trusted a "delete" button, this one's worth your time.ShadowNet Digital Forensics & OSINT — shadownetdigital.com
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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

All right, Juice I surprised. Do you know we're recording? We are? Yeah. Awesome. Oh, you got your fish shirt on the deck. Yes. Catfishing shirt. Your trout shirt. Is that stillhead? Rainbows. Rainbows. Okay. Yeah. You know, I'm I'm big into trout. Yeah, I can tell. I know bluegill, largemouth, and catfish. That's about it.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

You're good then. You got it all covered. Our staples around here, right?

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

So tell me, she went to some bike thing. What is that? A biker rally down at Forkland, Alabama. Forkland? Yeah. That was a good ride. What's a Forkless? That's southwest of here. You're almost in Mississippi when you get there. Okay. I've been going to Mississippi quite a bit lately.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Some stuff we got going on. Now, is it like a mini Sturgis? Yeah, it's a it's a TMU Sturgis. I mean, Sturgis is huge. You ever been over there? No. I know, I mean, I'd have seen it on Sons of Anarchy.

unknown 0:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Real biker stuff. You know, I was told, I'm not a biker. You know I'm not a biker. Right, right. Uh but I was told that all the Sons of Anarchy dudes ride like women's bikes. Were they? No.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

They were riding dinas and street glides. Some of them Indian, didn't he? Or it's gotta be an American bike, right? To be lit legit. Nah, well, it depends on what club. Okay. Some of them you can ride Honda or Yamaha. It just has to be a certain CC and above. Okay, to keep up with the crowd, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Now, do you ride that now with a group? No, just me and a buddy of mine from Ort Tony and his son-in-law.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Would you have a cut on when you're riding down? No, no. You don't wear a cut? No. You don't pretend to be a gangster? No. So I do know this much. If you see the cut with the 1% on there, they're don't mess with their money. I know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Other than that, they're nice folks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

So they'll drink they'll snitch on each other so fast. They will and they'll yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

Um, they'll drink you under the table though out here in the streets. They will, they're very proficient. A lot of methamphetamine. Yes. Now down at this bike rally you're at, what is it consist of?

SPEAKER_01 1:59

I mean, what is it? What do you do? It's it, you just we just camped out, listened to music. They had one band was terrible. The other one on the second night was really good. But you just hang out, look at custom bikes or you know what people have for for their motorcycles and accessories, and it's just like a just a big party. Big vend a lot of vendors down there? Not at this one because it was so hot out. It wasn't a huge turnout. It wasn't a big crowd because it was the heat index was like 105. Yeah. You did it a whole week? Well, weekend. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yeah, it was hot. I was outside doing stuff, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

It was hot. I got burned. I'm still peeling.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Well, you get burnt when you look at the TV, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:40

I am pasty cracker white. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Are you redheaded when you have hair?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

No. You're not? No. Just be blonde. Just blunt little cracker.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Yeah, when I grew hair. Yeah, my hair don't grow good either. So, you know, I've got I had like brown hair, but a red beard.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

I just can't picture you with hair after all knowing you all these years. I've got some I've got some pictures of me with beautiful, I had beautiful locks. Oh, I'm sure you had a mullet too, didn't you?

SPEAKER_02 3:04

No, and the Marines had nice hair.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking, you know. Pre-marines? Yeah. Fife Fife Alabama mullet.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

I never had a mullet. My dad would not allow that. You had to get you got your hair cut every week.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

Yeah. And uh you ironed your shirt. Stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 3:19

So yeah, that was my dad till I was about 13.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

No, my dad said if you're gonna live here, you're gonna have a haircut and not look like a homeless person.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

So my dad's rule was keep you can have long hair, keep it out of your eyes, because the first minute it goes in your eyes, I'm cutting your hair.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Because of that, I used to be anti-long hair, right? Yeah, but now I'm not. I don't like I'm jealous. So yeah, I get mad at people with hair. These young guys are growing their hair out nowadays. You know, they go, you know, it used to be short, now it's back to long again. Yeah, some of them have some nice mops up there, man.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

I'm like, Yeah, the broccoli heads. Yeah, I'm so jealous. Man, we you either had short hair or long hair back when I was growing up.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Yeah. Most of us had pretty short, you know, with five pretty conservative. Yeah. Didn't see a lot of the long-haired guys, they smoked cigarettes and stuff. Oh you know what I mean. So that's not good. They were the rockers. Yeah. You know, we had I had some friends that were rockers, and they were also in the band. They played the drums and the, you know, they were musicians. Yeah. And we had Mr. Henson up there, and he wasn't allowed long hair in the band. Oh man. He was kind of a disciplinarian, too. So when them boys got out of high school, they grew it out to their waist, boy. So some of them are still playing in bands. They're good too. They're multi-talented guys. I don't have none of that talent, but I don't either. Now, the band at your little bike rally, did they have they play CCR?

SPEAKER_01 4:37

They played everything, man. I love CCR. Everything. They were playing rock, country, southern rock. They played everything from Skinner to Hart to Luke Combs to Merle Haggard, everything. Hart. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, it was great. Did they play any Who? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

I liked the Who too.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Yeah. Nazareth, Black Sabbath. Nazareth. Oh, yeah. That's old. They they were playing everything.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Nazareth's so is Black Sabbath.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

So I was watching Jenna Expedition X on History Channel or Traveler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had Ozzy Ozzy Osborne's boys on there now. I forgot his name. Jack? Jack Osborne on there. Yeah. He's pretty funny. Yeah. He's funny. He has like a half American, half English accent.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

But uh old Ozzy, kick the bucket. They played some Ozzy at the thing. Yeah. I like Ozzy. Yeah. I used to sing Crazy Train at karaoke. Oh God. It was a screaming. It wasn't singing, it was screaming.

SPEAKER_01 5:36

Yeah, I'm sure that was lovely. A lot of vodka involved in it. It happens. I I've noticed that alcohol really helps you open up your vocal cords and sing at the top of your lungs when when needed.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

Yeah, I haven't done I haven't drank in 16, 17 years, but I guess I used to, you know what I mean? It lowers your inhibition, so you do dumb things. I know that. You know, I really don't need alcohol to do dumb things. Yeah, I've grown out of that. I just do it now without alcohol. I'm an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

I'm the king of the idiots.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

But all right, we're talking about idiots today, Juice, on our podcast. We are. We're going to talk about scam calls and elder targeted fraud. We talked about this once with a Holocaust survivor. Remember him? Yeah. And that woman ripped him off for like quarter million dollars? Yeah. No, it was like 2.2 million. Yeah, scumbag. This is one where they're doing it on a mass level. Like they're blanketing it across elderly people. All right. It's a count comes out of Cambodia. Cambodia. They got nothing else better to do there? I mean, besides not have communism. Right. You ever read about Cambodia during the communism time? He was rough, man. Who is the bad guy? Anyways, I forgot his name. But anyway, they can't. That's gonna bug me until I remember it. That's communism, and we're wanting to do it here in America. It works great. Yeah. If you don't agree with the regime, you get put in a camp and fed some soup every two or three days and die eventually. If you're lucky. Yeah, sometimes they just shoot you. Yeah. But I don't know, man. They're wanting communism here. But Cambodia is a shining recent example of how bad it is. But they're a democracy now and they have free market. So with the free market comes scams, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

So these people are they're calling people, it's mainly the United States and Australia. They're burning these people, right? Right. So they're calling, they're impersonating a federal officer, getting some panic involved. They're moving a victim to an encrypted video call, and they're invoking fake surveillance protocol to extract banking details. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Yeah, that's you know, they spend all that time trying to figure out how to rip people off. Right. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Couldn't you just use these skills and go sell something?

SPEAKER_01 7:48

You could do something. But that rule would require honesty and work. You might get a little sweaty. Instead of sitting in a data call center ripping people off.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah. These people, it's extensive. They get one this one operation exposed 300 victims, so I don't know how many how many other victims are out there, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

So many.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Let's get to the article here. This is off of Digital Forensics magazine. That rag. No, I look in there sometimes. Digital Forensics magazine does good about keeping people up to date on this stuff. You know I'm a nerd. You you are. And I get involved in this stuff. Speaking of which, you know our cross-track system we use to blog data? I kind of I was always frustrated with it because it was like ham and no burger. You know, like you're always missing a little bit. Like I wish it'd done this. So I built my own. You should see it. It's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Really? Yeah. Well, you're gonna have to give me access so I can look.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Because I'm a nerd. Yes. It's just we just kicked it off last week, but it's looking good. So anyway, it actually has AI where you can type your report entry. You are so nerdy and say, why does this matter? And it'll tell you why this matters. Yeah, you're you're how much time that saves?

SPEAKER_01 8:57

You have just reached a level of nerdism that nobody has achieved. Well, you can do all kinds of things in there, but you know, without having to flip across tabs and all that. Well, I know we were doing that quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yeah. Back to the article here. All right. So this is the Australian and Thai police disclose a Cambodian scam compound script. All right. Used. This is what they said on the phone. They had it down to an art where they called it a script, used in personnel, personate federal officers, move victims in encrypted video calls, and extract banking details under fake surveillance protocol. The release identifies logos, stage signage, victim verification steps, confidentiality demands, and about 300 potential Australian and American victims, giving investigators concrete social engineering artifacts to compare with device, call, chat, and payment evidence. Okay, so this isn't not really that digital, other than the phone call.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

And the moving money around through bank accounts, which everybody does now, right? Right. They're calling up and pr and acting. This is an acting job.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah. It's very generic as far as tech savvy stuff.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Yeah. They have a set with signage and everything. They said that the Pink CyberCom group is targeting corporate data through phishing and cloud account theft, extending tactics associated with the broader COM ecosystem. All that means is they're farming these data, these victims, they're getting their information from openly accessible databases like bank records and those kind of things. Well, I messed lost my spot here, Juice. Let me get over here to it.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

But that that they're not the only places they're going to get your information. Any of the data breaches that any of the company, even the VA had a data breach years ago. They just had another one, by the way. I got a letter in the mail. Did you get it yet? No. Okay. I'll probably get it today, though. Yeah. But they get all that information, any data breach, anything they can drop one of those little trackers in and get your information. Right. They've got it.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

Right. So these people are these victims were required to enter a confidentiality agreement via social media application and provide detailed information about their bank accounts and financial position under the guise of helping a federal investigation. So I got called by a FBI agent about three weeks ago. All right. Just out of the blue, about a case from two years ago. He said, hey, he he left a message first. And I was I was nice. I called him back and I said, Hey, I'd like to help you, but I want to talk to a lawyer first. He was like, sure. You know what I mean? He did not try to elicit my bank account information or say he was doing surveillance on me. Yeah, of course not, because he was legit. Right. And then me and my lawyer went in and talked to him and gave him what he wanted. All right. Right. We could talk about that a little bit here in a little bit, but it was an interesting one. The issue with these is most of them start with some kind of email or a text. Typically, federal agents, they might email you after you say, hey, let's start an email exchange. Probably not. They don't want, you know. Yeah, I I wouldn't think they would. They don't like transmitting any communication over the open web. Right. You know what I mean? Especially if it deals with child porn or federal investigations, any of that kind of stuff. Uh they don't want people to get it and say, hey, hey, Bubba, they're on to you. You want to keep it as clean and so but these people were they really got them. They filled out a form and then the people got their data that way as well. And then they called them up and said, Hey, we're investigating something, and we really need your help. They lit, they they got on their sympathetic side, invoked sympathy. What do you think of it you're getting old juice? You gonna fall for this stuff soon?

SPEAKER_01 12:38

I have no sympathy. I don't. If you call me and you want to do that, the answer's no. Because I've had I've received phone calls sort of like that. People trying to get information. I'm like, well, you can call my attorney.

SPEAKER_02 12:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

And I give them at the time my attorney's number. I say, you can call them.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

Right. Oh, I got a new criminal attorney. She's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Whenever you get pinched soon.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

But oh, thanks. I appreciate it. I'll give you your name. I don't I don't plan on getting pinched doing anything wrong. Yeah, come on. I go to work, I go home.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

You know how they do it around here. They just arrest you for on a whim these days. Yeah. They do. But so anyway, they identified personal details about 300 potential Australian victims. So the Fed got into the they actually hacked the perpetrators, their own database, and said, Oh, this is fake. Look at all these people in here. And they what's funny is they the Fed cybercrime unit hacked the hackers using social engineering. I thought that was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Yeah. I've seen videos on YouTube where they do that.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

And then they wipe the scammers' computers and everything. Yeah. I think it's hysterical.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

We got one going on now where a it's called the butchered pig scam. You ever heard of this one? So they'll call you up and say, hey, we're a crypto, a new cryptocurrency. We want you to invest. All right. So they get you and you go into a website, looks legit, and you invest $1,000. And you get a data, a dashboard that says, look, you're making money. Invest more. Invest more. And then they disappear. Of course. They fatten the pig up before they slaughter it.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah. It's called the fat slaughter pig scam. Anyway, they they get you fat and then they're gone. Yeah. And then the website's gone. It was just a fake thing. It's like a digital Ponzi scheme. It's kind of what they're doing. But these people were eliciting saying, hey, help us with this investigation. In order to do that, we need your banking information. No investigation. No. They may call you in to talk to you or something or have a phone call or a video call, but they're not going to call you in and say, hey, we need this in, we need your they might ask for your birthday. That's about it. You know?

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Yeah, and they can do a lot with just getting your having your name and your birthday.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

I can tell you a bunch, just a birthday, you know. Yeah. So or even a partial birthday. But they're not going to have you go in and fill out a form and all that. For instance, when I talked to the feds the other day, we went into the little room and they handcuffed me to the thing. I'm just kidding. No, they didn't. I'm just kidding. The little bar was there, though. I thought that was fun. They uh we talked and they asked for my driver's license. That's it. Just to make sure it was me.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Yeah, but they're right there. It's not over the internet. It's not over the phone. They're right in front of you. It's legit.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

I had John and Sally. That's their names. It was right there. You know, my lawyer was there. If I would have said anything, started down a path, she would have stopped me immediately. Right. So he says here, it says, be clear about one thing. This is the federal agent. He says the feds will never ask you to verify bank details or ask for money over the phone or in a video call. If someone is posing as a federal agent, ask for those details in the call immediately.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

But that's common sense. Right. And I understand they're playing on people's emotions and feelings, and but just don't do it.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Right. He says here that offshore offshore scam centers are very they're businesses. They have a business address with a call center and everything. And they're hype of activity. And the problem is countries like Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Philippines, Vietnam, and Mary, they're not cracking down internally. Of course not. Because they're probably taxing them people for income. Sure they are. They're getting a kickback somewhere. They're like, hey, Mr. Government, let us run this secret call center, and we'll give you, you know, our percentage of our like the.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

What was that Jason Statham movie? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

He's done that. He does one every week, but E Keeper? I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Yeah. Where he goes in and burns down the call center.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

Yeah. I'm sure there's some in the United States, but it it doesn't go on as long. It gets caught pretty quick. Oh, they get hammered pretty quick. Yeah. And it's usually some dude in his underwear in a basement. Yeah, in his mom's basement. Yeah. This was called Operation Firestorm, launched August 2024. It provided law enforcement assistance to five offshore scam center investigations, resulting in 560 arrests and a disruption of 15 scam centers in Thailand, Philippines. Lots of Asian countries here. Supported by their global, they have the Australians have federal, their version of a federal agent in Southeast Asia and all that. And they were able to go in and disrupt and get help from some of the I guess Cambodia, those small countries rely on the large countries for trade. They're like, Yeah, okay, we'll help you because we don't want to, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Yeah, because we need some goods.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

We need bread, you know, those kind of things. But anyway, I thought that was interesting that they're it's set elaborate, you know what I mean? It's set up as a business.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, and which is I mean, I get it. They don't, they're not an industrial nation. They're not producing you know huge amounts of textiles or anything and making money. Some of these people, they need a job, and I I get it. They fall into this stuff, but here's your script, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

Yeah, okay. You know, they're not producing the big app. They're not producing Facebook. No. Tesla. They're not producing much at all.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah. So they're doing what they can to make money to feed their family, and I get it, but not even not even producing commodities like corn or cotton or nothing like that either.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

No. It's a jungle. So now I'm sure there's people there smart enough to produce, but it's just not happening. No. They go the easy route, right? Yeah. So all right, let's talk about you want to talk about my FBI thing for a minute. Yeah. Let's let's hear this. So we had a case about two years ago where a woman wanted to get some data off her home computer that her husband she didn't know where it was. She didn't know computers that much or anything like that. Where it had bank statements. They're getting divorced and all this. And I said, sure. So I remoted in and guided her through how to do it. And we discovered about 19 years worth of deleted photos. Alright? Oh. Alright. Bunch of porn, you know, just old pictures of him and his wife and his kids and stuff. But him and his wife had a lot of romantic pictures in there. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

But there was three photos of a young girl doing a selfie in a mirror. Now, this is back before phones, so it was like a disposable camera and she took a herself naked. Young, like under 18? Probably. Anyways, and she said, That's my daughter from 1993. It was her taking her own selfie, right? And her husband's files. And that's what I got called for. Alright. And she went and told the cops, the cops took it to the feds. Then I got called by the feds. And they asked me how we get their thing is they want to see how the data came about so they can get a warrant. Right, right. Right. And as soon as he said CSAM, I said, I need to I want to get a lawyer before I walk up in there.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Because I like the law, how it's written, but it's very broad and vague on purpose. You know, you get yourself hemmed up by accident if you're not careful. Oh yeah. I just want to make sure we didn't get hemmed up in the lawyer. She's like, okay, I think it's fine. I just want to go in there with you. You know what I mean? Of course she wanted money too, but well, yeah. No, she deserves it.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

She's good.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

No, I'm just I'll pay a good lawyer in a heartbeat.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Yeah, if as long as you're doing the right thing and they're trying to keep you from getting hemmed up by the government, yeah, it's worth it.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

No, the feds were they were great and they were upfront with what they're looking for. They're like, this is what we're trying to keep get a chain of custody to see if there's something we can prosecute here. And uh I don't think they're going to because it was never transmitted or sold, and it was deleted in deleted data.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Doesn't matter to me. That that's so infuriating. There's people out there that'll do that.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

But here's the thing. So the kid took it on a digital camera, right? And it probably got stored on some media somewhere over the years, right? My question is why is it still in dad's stuff?

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Why was it in dad's stuff, period?

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yeah. I mean, I could see like, hey kid, why are you doing this? And then it's gone, you know, we get rid of it because I don't want it out there. You know, your kid, your typical kid stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

I just don't understand why dad's still looking at it. I don't know. But we were joking earlier. I said I don't have any feelings. That's the stuff that instantly boils my blood. Right. It really does. Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

We went down the path with them talking about the task moves they have out there with the how they trigger, how they what triggers CSAM. You know, you see all these busts all the time. Hey, we busted 25 people for looking at porn or TD porn or whatever. They have task force out there and they have open warrants with Facebook, Twitter, Google, you name it. Which which is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

And if it gets flagged with Google, Google automatically sends them an email, look, this is what's going on with this username and this IP address and all that. Which I think is good, you know. And he said it's also on the dark web the dark web ain't as dark as it used to be. Yeah. They're they've opened it up quite a bit with uh the feds have and they've they're moving over the other stuff. A lot of the dark web stuff is now moving back to analog where two dudes meeting up and swapping files like the olden days, you know, because they're getting busted left and right online. But I just saw a big bust in Madison County where they busted 42 dudes in one night going to the same place.

unknown 22:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

They get on these chat sites or whatever, and the girl says, Hey, let's meet up at whatever address. And on the way, they'll say, She'll say, Well, I'm 14, and they'll keep going, they'll go anyways, right? That's where they get popped.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

I don't I don't like the online dating apps. I don't do that. I don't it's always to me, you're asking for trouble doing that. Right. But when you set out to entice and then go to have inappropriate relations with a minor, you should be taken out back and put down. Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

So I've had instances where people have been ripped off with dating apps.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

And the first, you know, they've been chatting online, which is fine. All right. But then the first date is they invite them over to their house at their apartment. I'm like, that's a negative. We're gonna meet at Starbucks or whatever. And a few times, not just once, we're gonna meet and go to the park, go have some coffee, maybe a dinner. We're gonna be out in public where there's a lot of people. You know, and you're gonna get comfortable with that person before you're in a position where you could be put in danger. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:32

And it it doesn't matter. Females meeting the guys at home, no. Even for guys, you don't want to meet what you think is a female online and then meet up in a dark park and get mugged, killed, robbed. Right. Everybody, male or female, meet in a public place.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

We got an instance now where a guy met with a girl. He they met a few times, right? And then he cooked her dinner one night and came over, watched a movie, everything. And now she's crying sexual assault. Yeah, no, because he's a rich guy. Of course. That kind of thing. So it's crazy out there, man. Yeah. I'm just gonna hang out with my wife. You yeah, I'm you're not coming to my house. We're gonna hang out with my wife and enjoy our little farm. That's uh that's yeah. That's when I go to work, I go home. The simple stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 24:21

And I've got friends of mine trying to tell me, Oh, I got a friend you want to meet. No, no, I don't. Don't want to meet anybody. I want to go to work, go home, ride my bike, be left alone. Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

All right. How much time do I get here, Juice? See, I'm the timer, right? Yeah. That's enough for this one. We've kind of went down the path of scam all the way to child porn, but Juice, what do you think of that? Uh to me, it's all tied in. It is all electronic, right? Yeah. But yeah, watch out for the scams, man. Especially, you know, scams are prevalent now.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

It's all over the place. Don't give any information. Not birthday, not bank accounts, not checking account, don't do a credit card, nothing. Don't give any info. Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Yeah, that's the point here. Don't give info and don't trust people online. And that's it.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Yeah, if you do and you get in a jam, call us. Call us.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

We'll help you out as much as we can. We'll try to sweep up the ashes. That's what we're doing, right? Yeah. But uh, all right. That's all we got for now. Say bye, juice. Bye, juice.