The Root of Every Hack: Why It Always Starts With a Human

Every major breach you've ever heard about — the stolen data, the ransomware, the drained accounts — traces back to the same starting point, and it isn't a genius in a hoodie cracking code. It's a person who clicked, answered, or trusted the wrong thing. This week Jus and I make the case that social engineering is the root cause of nearly all hacking and infiltration.

We walk through how attackers skip the firewall entirely and go straight for the human — the phishing email, the fake IT call, the "I'm locked out, can you help me?" that opens the door. Once someone hands over a password or clicks a link, all the encryption and security software in the world is already beaten. We get into why companies spend millions on technology and almost nothing on the one vulnerability that actually gets exploited: their own people.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Okay, Juice, so over the weekend I sent you a link about a guy that got convicted in a court martial for stealing 400,000 MREs or something? Yeah, it was like boxes. MREs. Mills ready to eat for people who know what that is? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

I've I've never had an MRE that was good.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

I mean, I ate them because like you gotta, you know, you need some food in your belly. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

The newer MREs are pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Not the not the four choice brown ones back in the day. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Those those beef slice and barbecue sauce, you couldn't wash that crap off there enough to eat it.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

So you had back when me and you were coming up, we had four choices, right? You had you had omelet with ham in it. Yep. And that came no matter if it's breakfast or that.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah, that was a ham and choke loaf.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Five fingers of death. Yeah. A little hot dogs. Yeah. Then you had beef stew, which wasn't our horrible.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Yeah, I didn't get the beef stew. And you had chili matte. I didn't get that one either. Really? We had ham and puke loaf.

unknown 1:04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

We had the spaghetti, the beef slice and barbecue sauce, the pork patty, and the beef patty.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Oh, the pork patty, the spam. I remember the spam. We put hot I'd I'd douse that joker in hot sauce.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

You could not take a big enough bottle of hot sauce with you. It was so dry.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

How can meat be that dry?

SPEAKER_01 1:23

It it would well, they dehydrated it.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

But it had juice in it, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

It didn't matter. Oh my god. That's why everybody was investing in hot sauce and the ramen noodles.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yeah. I'd you had the bread in there. Uh yeah. I'd get the crackers and the cocoa powder. Yeah. And a little cocoa puffs. And mix a little water in there and make me a little pudding out of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

Yeah. Cocoa puffs, man. Yeah. That we thought it was a big treat when we when they finally put the wolf cookies in there, the chocolate-coated ones. Yeah. Before that, there was none of that. Then they went to the tan ones.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

They had uh has MMs and junk in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Yeah, they had the oatmeal oatmeal bar, like the old erasers from school.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

You had to put water in that joker.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

You had to soak it in your canteen cup in coffee to be able to eat that thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Yeah. I'd no, I drank the crap out of the coffee. I'd put it in my canteens.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

We always used to just hold it in the cheek like a dip. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Yeah. I'd be your cup of coffee in the morning. Yeah. Or or when you're on firewatch. Firewatch. God. But yeah, this guy went down 20 years for stealing MREs. Well, he was pretty smart. Now he was a pogue actual when he was in the army. He's a logistician. Yeah. Logistician.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

So he he got out from military pogue and went civilian pogue. Right. And he knew the ins and outs of the game and how to scam it. Right. So he's pretty smart the way he did it, but pretty illegal.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

So here's my thing. If I'm going down, it's going to be like over an F-18. I'm getting something good, you know, and playing around with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah, not M R nasties. Although he he wound up getting with somebody else who was selling them to civilian vendors. I mean, he was making a lot of money off it. But really, MR Nasties.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Yeah. I'm getting I mean, I'm going, I'm going to be selling M4s to Pakistan or something. Some good, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

It would be like, what was that movie? Uh Lord of War.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yeah. Yeah. They were uh contract scammers. Oh yeah. That was back during the kickoff of the Global War on Terror when everybody got a contract. Oh, everybody. Yeah. One of the funniest things, so I went to work for Blackwater right at, you know, early in the back in the day. All right. Out of the Marines. I was out for a few years and I went to that was before the black mark. Right. Yeah, before the black mark. Before they got they basically got screwed over on that deal. Yeah, they did. But anyways, we had a company there in Iraq called Custer Battles. Oh, I remember Custer Battles. Oh my God. They would take anybody. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

They took guys out of the prison I worked at.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

We had they took. Okay. We did a mission to the Australian embassy where we took a easy one, right? Where we took the uh American diplomat over to meet. We're hanging, we're there for about four hours hanging out. Yeah. Custer Battles rolls up with some Malaysian guy, you know, diplomat. They got hired out to these foreign people, right? Yeah. And they had a guy standing there, we're doing personal security details. So we're in like khakis in a collared shirt and a pistol. Yeah. With the plates underneath. They roll up, look like they're getting ready to invade Poland. A guy had a crossbow slung over his back. A crossbow. What? Why? Why crossbow? I have no idea. That's the first I've ever heard of any of that. And they wanted to talk to us. Like, I'm not talking to you. Talk to you about what?

unknown 4:46

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

They're Americans. Working on their bolts or what? They're Americans. So what? They look like dog crap. You know, uh personal security is 90% how you look. Yeah. You know what I mean? If you look, look professional, look serious, they're probably not going to attack you, kind of thing. Right. It's aesthetics. Yeah. And these guys look like a clown show. The cars they drove, I guess they were from Malaysia. So you had high profile details, is what I started out on. Everybody does. Yeah. You got the shiny suburbans, the lights and sirens going, the helicopters fall on you. You know, here we come. Attack if you want. We got a bunch of guns, right? And our we washed the cars every day, made them look good. Everybody had to have haircuts. It was a big deal. And these guys roll up looking like Sanford's son. You know what I mean? I'm like, good lord. Now eventually I went to a low profile detail where we're driving beat up Mercedes-Benz. Oh, yeah. You know, it's you got one or two cars, you spread out, you know, you low profile stuff. Yeah. That's when a bunch of money was changing hands. They didn't want it like, hey, we got money in here. Yeah, they don't want to draw that attention. But the other ones is like a news thing, like, hey, the news is there, kind of thing. You know what I mean? But I don't know, it was interesting. Custer battles, man, they got up killed a bunch. Oh, yeah. They did stupid stuff. Like, you get a thing that says, hey, don't go through the triangle of death today.

unknown 6:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

We're like, What do they do? We're not going through. And they go through and get like three dudes whacked by V-beds. And and they're then and then the after thing was like we didn't get the news. Okay, it was on the State Department wire, which is public. Everybody gets it. You can look it up today. You know, I don't know, man. They were just it was a disaster.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yeah. There's a few companies over there that were like that. Right. But Custer Battles, yeah, that was a big standout right there.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

And then Blackwater got screwed because the owner Prince spoke out against Barack Obama. So Obama. That was, you know, they got in a gunfight and they handled their business. And they said, oh, they handled it too mean. So whatever. Those dudes are out now. So they hung it, they ruined their lives for like eight or nine years.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

It was stupid. That's my story. Yeah. What were you talking about today, Juice? We were talking about how Oh, the MRE guy. Yeah. But that goes back to the global war on terror, how crappy the contracts were at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

So terrible.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah. Remember the first I remember the first Humvees when they they said, hey, we got all these Humvees with no armor. Yeah. And it was like those plates that they hung on the doors. Oh, yeah. I'm like, you got armor here, but there's an opening, there's a window with no armor. And there's none underneath. What do we duck down? Yeah. Now the new ones they came out with are pretty good. Those that are newer armor they got now is pretty sweet, but they had to invest some money in that.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

So I remember when they switched from the Jeep over to the Hummers and they sent you through the basic Humvee course and the advanced Humvee course. Those vehicles, I wish I had one of the original Hummers just for around here.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

I went through that Humvee drive. Everybody had to go through the Humvee drive. That was a good course. It was a couple weeks long.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

We the whole intent was to break that machine and get it stuck. Yeah. And you learn you learn how to pull each other out and all that stuff. Yeah. That advanced course was phenomenal. Yeah. I'll I at first I was like, oh God, here we go. But it was it was a good, you know, because Motor T guys ran it. I was like, oh, it's the motor nasty guys. Yeah. But they knew those trucks, man, and what their capabilities were, and they probably did class.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

We had a guy from I think GM came down and taught the class in in Pendleton.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:09

Man, that thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

I wish I had one. Yeah. The the new the old ones. No, yeah. They would change motors in them and they went to crap. No, they changed transmissions and they went to crap.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

The old ones, man, you could just beat the daylights out of them. And they would get up and speed.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Oh yeah. But yeah, now the they've tightened up. If you ever get in the government contracting side, the amount of paperwork and checks they do on you now, it's because of people like Custer Battles and MRE dude. You know what I mean? Yeah. We had a Marine get he got eight years in the brig for stealing and selling socket sets out of Motor T, good ones. Nice. About a million dollars worth.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

You can't hate that entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

Yeah. You you really can't. So some some mechanic shop out in can Jacksonville noticed serial numbers on the things, on the handles and the sockets. Oh. Which if you go buy these from Lowe's, they don't have that. Right. And he goes, hey, what's this all about? So he talked to one of his Marine buddies and he goes, Oh, that's from the motor pool. And that's how it all started. I'm sure NCIS. It used to be NIS, but I guess they hammered them then. Every piece of metal gets a serial number in the military. So yeah. But and that's how that kid got busted. But it took about three years. So it's crazy. He made a lot of money. He was from the eighth com motor pool. Eighthcom around the corner from us down here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Were you guys still out at Onslow Beach?

SPEAKER_00 9:39

We were French Creek. Yeah. Yeah. I was at Second Force Recon Company, which was at French Creek, and then Second Recon Company was at Onslow Beach. And the double tornadoes messed our buildings up, and they moved to French Creek for quite a while.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

They when did they move you guys to French Creek? Because when I was there, every all you guys were out at Onslow Beach.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

That would have been 88 or 89 or something like that. It was before we got there. Yeah.

unknown 10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

And it was at French Creek. And then the next year after France, those big ass hurricanes, they moved Recon Company out there.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Oh, they had to move them out there after 93 because they were still out at Onslow Beach. Yeah. Now the buildings were out there.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

We used to go out there and train training them and stuff. But the uh and then they built a whole new compound for Force and Recon Battalion at Courthouse Bay. They kicked the AAB dudes out and built a nice one out there. Yeah. And we started deploying under the detachment concept, which was leading up to Marsok, and then I got out. But I didn't, I wasn't there when MarsOk started. But um that was kind of they were testing that concept out, the the 40-man detachment. See what you missed? You were gonna go MarsOc, you know you would have. Well, the first the first MarsOc dudes were the force companies, and they said, Hey, congratulations, your MarsOk. Yeah. So they would have been there. They already had the direct action skills and the surveillance skills. So like, here's our guys, you know what I mean? So now they do a selection. Well, we did selection then. You'd had your indoc and then you did three weeks of rip, which is awful. And then you went to the basic recon course. And I think the Marsock guys do three-week selection. Yeah. And then they go through their just different names. They go through their training courses, which BRC's included in it, you know what I mean? So it's kind of the same thing. But it's more structured and more money now. So what it is. It was fun. But yeah, we had a bunch of thieves, man. Imagine that. MREs, though. I'm not going to jail for MREs. No.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Neither am I. I want to go for something really good.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Yeah. MR nasty. Not socket sets either. No. I want a F-18. I want guns to the something really, really good. Well, they can write, I want to make a movie about it. You know what I mean? Like when I'm in prison. So yeah. Yeah. Be popping to jail. You know what I mean? So well that went that took 12 minutes to used to get through that. Yeah. Well, sometimes we go on tangents. We're talking about social engineering still. You like that? We are. All right. So you always say you're not tech a tech guy. No, not really. But you understand how social engineering is the root cause of all tech attacks, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Right. But I can't I can't open a computer and do what you do. I'm not that techie. I'm not that nerdy.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

I'm nerdy about other things, but when it comes to that side, I have to defer everything to you and ask you questions. Dorks like me.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Yeah. All right. Here's a good one. UN, United Nations Food Agency investigates breach exposing data of Gaza aid recipients. Okay, this one bothers me a little bit. So you got people in Gaza who are starving. You know, most people in Gaza are just normal folks walking around and not terrorists. And they get pulled in two by these little wars that terrorists start, right? Right. And they're hungry, they got kids that need food, clothes, all that stuff. And these hackers hack the UN food distribution company, and then they're going after they're using social engineering with the UN email address saying, hey, people that are starving, send us $10 and we'll get you registered for this food. Oh my god. We never get the food. How dirty is that?

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Yeah, that's pretty bad. I I I generally don't have a heart, but when it comes to kids, I do.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Don't scam the kids. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Yeah, most people, most Palestinians in Gaza, just people trying to get on with their day. Yeah. And then you, you know, the terrorists ruin it. And then they attack the Jews.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

It only takes one terrorist to screw it up for everybody.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Well, you know, when you start blowing up the Jews, the Jews are coming after you. You know, they are. It's not a happy day at the camp. And the normal people get caught in the middle, right? Right. So that's how war, that's the one of the side effects of war, right? But it was 600,000. This was last month, by the way. 600,000 Palestinian households are affected. And they they say that these people got over $1 million from these people in Palestine. People are already hurting. I'm like, good lord, man, these people are Wow. These criminals have no zero heart. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it was around May 14th when their breach occurred. And since then, until June the 6th, this year, they've they've accumulated over $1 million. They still don't know who's doing it. They don't have a beat on them yet. But they just know that they got hacked, they shut down the website and restarted and all that stuff. So what do you think of that? It's just crazy. Now here's the issue, too. This is probably this is how this started. So you had local food program, right? They would go out and they'd go around the community and say, hey, sign up on the tablet, right? So you got people out there with iPads or whatever connected to some cell network in Palestine. Right. And then it got that's where it got breached, was probably internal in the cellular cell company, the subscriber. There's breaches that happen that way too. So you got ATT, internal employee gives up some information for money to an outside agency and they have access to ATT's data. That's kind of how this went back. Right. So what do you think of that way?

SPEAKER_01 14:55

It's it's crazy. It's just so easy for them to do.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

You know, we trust Google with a lot, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Too much, way too much.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

I spend a lot of money money with Google through ads and different things, right? Right. They got a lot of my information. And I'm trusting a Google. How many employees does Google have? Oh, there's no telling. Is it a million? I don't know. I don't know. One of the largest, has to be one of the top ten largest companies in the world, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:17

If you can keep your job there, because they lay everybody off and then rehire people.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

They're mostly contractors now.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Even worse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

So they hire some contractor out of India to manage my data. Now, Snafu in India, whatever his name is, some guy gets in bad debt. So some Russian guy, hey Snafu, I want to pay you a hundred grand for all your login details. How easy is that? Yeah. And he's got access to all of Google's stuff, including mine. Yeah. That's what we call a subscriber hack. So it happened at Verizon a few years back. I don't know if you remember that. So they had some internal people give up some data.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

They've all had it where they people have given up Intel.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Right. I think those people should go through a security check like the military. Like, hey.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

They should. They should get vetted.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

You got a you got an equivalent to a secret clearance? Here's your go get your secret clearance done. You know, so see who you're created with and what debt you have.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

That you know, it wouldn't cure all the problems with with the breaches, but it would probably stop quite a bit of them.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

It would tighten it up. Yeah, so the internal breaches, they're they're devastating. They got information to everything, you know what I mean? So, like you work for me, it's a tiny company, right? You work for me, you got access to over probably five over 10,000 cases with sensitive information.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

I was gonna say there's a a lot, even for the size of the company, there's a lot of info on there.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

And there's some rich people in there, and you could take that data and say, hey, look, Mr. Doctor, I'm gonna reveal what you did if you don't pay me, kind of thing. See how and that kills my company. I'm done. And then I get in the news and all that. So I mean I didn't do anything wrong with it, it's just somebody internally.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't matter. It's not you, but it's related to your business, and that's a a huge mark.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yeah. And my face and names hanging all over it, right? So it would kill me, but it would also kill that doctor's reputation, you know. Absolutely. So that's a subscriber breach, man. What do you think of that?

SPEAKER_01 17:22

You know, it it we all know I'm not as techy as you. I'm not even close. But it's just not a predator, by the way. No, I'm not. It's just simple little things people can do to prevent things like this.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Right. If you're gonna work for somebody, don't sell secrets.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Yeah. But like you said, there should be a vetting process, though.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

Right. Here's another one. Five eyes, which is a cybersecurity company, big one, like a multinational one, warned Chinese spies are using job sites to recruit insiders. Imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Here we go, right? So they're not just floating a hot air balloon over the U.S. and saying it's a weather balloon. And we let it hang out there for three weeks? Yeah. We're just collecting data on the wind.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Right. Huh. It was a bun, it was more than one.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yeah, there was there's just several of them.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

I remember that one was hanging out there forever.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

And they allowed it.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Why don't we get Johnny out there with a shotgun and shoot it down?

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Well, because Brandon didn't know his own name and allowed that.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Right. I mean, I know there's plenty, I mean, of helicopter and F-18 guys would have shot that dang thing down.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

You could have you could have got close enough to pop it with a pin.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

All right.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

All right.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

But this is how they this is one way Chinese would do it. You know, they'd say, hey, Mr. Amazon employee, we got a better offer. And here's what you got to do. You come come work for us, but you're bringing all your Amazon data with you. Yeah. I mean, Amazon holds a lot of data too. So Prime and everything else, and movies and buying anything online from them.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

That's we use Prime all the time. We love it. But it's got our banking information right there. Yeah, I use it too. Now, Amazon's pretty good about, you know, we have to reset the password every every so often. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Does that do any good though when you got an employee behind the server? No, it does no good. He don't need a password, right? No. And he goes, okay, Mr. Chinaman, here's the data you asked for. I put it on a thumb drive for you. I uh Snowdened it for you. You're just saying that because you're a fascist. Snowden. You know, I like you know, Snowden what he revealed. Yes. I think he had some it made a lot of good changes, what he revealed. How he went about it, not his stealing information, basically.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Yeah. There's he's he's one of the top people. I'm like, yeah, you have issues.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Now, some of the stuff he revealed though was legit, like, okay, we need to make changes here.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah, and I get that. But he he wasn't what was his name? Bo Bergdahl. Bergdahl. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

You know, but people got killed looking for him, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Yeah. Exactly. And some of them wound up being in wheelchairs for their life till they passed away. Yeah. Because of that scumbag.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

I was in Afghanistan when they recovered him, and I remember that helicopter, that delta guy getting off the helicopter. I bet the Delta guy was like, I'm only doing this because the boss said so. Yeah. Other than that, I'd piano wire around your neck and throw you out of this helicopter. Other than that, you can keep them. You know what I mean? I'd be like have a happy life in Jalalabad, wherever you are. So but uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Snowden, I I think he did a good thing, but like you said, it's it's just how he went about it.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

Yeah. You know, you can't steal state secrets and all that, even though it's bad. There's other ways to do it. That's where the whistleblower protection stuff's come about and all that. So now if he comes back to the United States, you think you'll be arrested? Yeah. They got some questions for him. Yeah. So I don't know. He might he may not get as much of a punishment as he would have back when it initially happened, but he's gonna be punished. He's still gonna have to pay the piper. Yeah. Because it's not about what he revealed, it's gonna be the the how he revealed the crux of the crime, right? Yeah. You stole something. I don't care if it's a toaster or data. I don't care if you stole a toaster or data is still stealing, right? So don't care if it's on digits or whatever it is. That's what he's gonna get in trouble for. So yeah, but these Chinese people are recruiting people and using them to come over, and I'm and I guarantee it doesn't say it here, but I guarantee you they're bringing classified, either company classified or national classified information over with them. Sure. Yeah. Now what happens if the Chinese recruit me? So say they'll send you back. Yeah, they want me. Yeah. But what if I don't know that any companies are saying the company that owns TikTok, right? They say, Hey, Mr. Outlaw, I want you to come be a OSINT investigator for us. Open source investigator. And I say, Okay, and I take the job, but I work from here. Is the government gonna have problems with that? Yeah. They're gonna ask me some questions, right? They should have problems with it. I don't know what the rules are, but I'm sure they're gonna be like, hey, what are you doing? We see transmissions going from your computer to Fang Fang. Right. What's going on? Who's that representative? What's his name in California? Yeah, I can't think of his name. So I don't understand why he was still a because he had sex with a Chinese spy for years. Of course he did. But he was still a s a representative. How? What got him was sexual assault California. They finally got him with sexual assault in the in the United States, but how was he I mean like wait a minute. You had sex with a a relationship with a China known Chinese spy, but we're gonna let you be a representative. Yeah. Welcome to the Democrats. Yeah. Anyway, but he was the wing, he was big about you know Trump's uh rapist and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

And then he got caught raping people.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yeah, imagine that.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Drugging them. Yeah. Yeah. Built giving them a hot Cosby. Hot Cosby. Hey, honey, drink this.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah. But everybody, you know, I I try, I just had a conversation with somebody kind of sort of about this on technology. I hate to tell everybody if if if your financials are important, imagine these kids that have stuff on their laptop and their social engineering, some scumbag gets a hold of them and says, Hey, send me some pictures. Now I got these pictures. I mean, it's something as simple as that.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

The kids are taking their lives over this. So it's human trafficking, it's these kids getting conned on social media for pictures and then blackmailed, and it goes all the way up to billions and billions of dollars. Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

We got a call from a 17-year-old the other day, red flag or out the gate, right? A guy. He said that a man had taken for years had taken naked pictures of him, and I was threatening him and making him pay him money, blackmail him over those pictures. And I said, Number one, we're gonna hang up and we're gonna get on the phone with the police. Yep. Absolutely. So I did a call in with him that a non-emergency line down in Birmingham, and I said, Hey, this kid's go, he's scared to talk to y'all, but he's here now. And I got him talking to him, and I said, I'm gonna back out of the conversation now, let him deal with it. But I texted him the other day, I said, Did you ever get this handled? He said, Yeah, the police are handling it. I said, Good. Yeah.

unknown 24:30

All right.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

When he said he was 17, I was like, sirens alarms went off. Oh, yeah. Kids don't call me, right? No. And then he told me what was going on. I was like, man, this who is this creep?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

They get panicked. They have nowhere, they don't know what to do, nowhere to turn. And it's unfortunately, sometimes they take their own lives over something that that, yeah, it's embarrassing. But later on, the more you you you get past this, I realize it is what it is. I did something stupid.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Well, it's a good it versus evil thing, you know, and all that. So all right, yeah. Technology, man. It's a good thing, but it it's evil too. Ripping off the vulnerable. Yeah. That's what they're doing. So all right, Juice, we're getting off here. All right. Let you go. What are you gonna do today?

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Oh, I gotta fix my lawnmower. I gotta go bush hog with a machete in my backyard. I got a bush hog.

unknown 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

I need a bush hog today, too. I gotta finish these. Where I took down all those trees. Oh, yeah. It's like walking into the jungles of Vietnam back then. Briars back there. Did you get terrible?

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Did you get the stumps ground?

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Yeah, everything's ground. No, no. The the pine, the mulch, I just covered them up. You see where ground ours are here?

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Yeah, I've seen that. All right, I'm gonna get off here. We'll come back soon. That's right. All right.

unknown 25:42

Bye.