Episode 32 - Leana Carter - DV CONNECT ARE ANTI-MEN

Episode 31

Guest - Leana Carter

In this week's episode, I speak with Leana Carter (a pseudonym used to protect her identity), who worked for DV Connect for over five years. With her voice altered for safety, Leana reveals the internal operations of the organization and discusses what she describes as a significant gender bias.

While DV Connect’s mission is to provide safety, transport, and crisis support for Queenslanders, Leana highlights several concerns regarding equality and workplace culture:

* Operational Discrepancies: The women’s crisis line operates 24/7, while the men’s line is only available from 9:00 AM to midnight.

* Training and Gender Lens: Leana discusses the employee training manual, which she claims focuses exclusively on a female-centric "gender lens." She explains that staff are trained from recognizing men as victims and that challenging this perspective can lead to termination.

* Internal Culture: The episode covers allegations of a "man-hating" culture, illegal "perp checks" on personal acquaintances, and high employee turnover.

* Funding and KPIs: We discuss how the organization meets specific quotas to maintain funding requirements.

* Triage and Procedures: Leana explains the three-tier system—from the initial 10-minute screening call to phone-based intake and finally shelter placement—and the challenges involving male children over the age of 12.

* System Manipulation and Misconduct: The conversation touches on how the system is exploited for payouts through Victims Assist QLD (VAQ), as well as allegations of a serious drug culture within the office. She references one case where one woman got paid $100,000 on year.

* Dug Culture: Leana talks about the bad Drug culture that happens in the office. There is a serious cocaine problem not only being used but also being dealt.

This episode offers a candid look at the government narrative that only women can be victims and the reality behind the scenes of the so called "Equality" of DV.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Father's podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered the good class. If you have gone through the family local thought process, particularly as a father, then this podcast may be relevant to what you may experience. Some things we discussed in these episodes may be triggering, and if we suffer from any form of mental health-related conditions or subject to domestic or family violence and any existence, please call my under respect in the podcast. The views and experiences discussed by people on our show are not necessarily the views and opinions of Broken Fathers Podcasts or the guest speakers. We strongly advise you seek your own independent legal and professional violence that the Broken Fathers podcast will not be laudable, answerable, or accountable for any loss of damage or litigation resulting from discussions on our platform. Right. This podcast is now in session. So whilst we wait, I'd like to take this moment to acknowledge our platform sponsor Straight of Construction. At Straight Up Construction, they take pride in delivering high work across every trade. From new builds to renovations, no job is too big or too small. Director Luke Miller and his dedicated team tackle every project with integrity, hard work, honesty, and a commitment to delivering superior quality results every time. Strat Up Construction is built on the belief that strong foundations matter just as much in the bones of the home as they do in the heart of one. Family should stand strong and every loving parent should maintain their right to be a part of their children's lives. Stratof Construction believes that in charge of spirit, everyone deserves a fair go. That's why we're proud to have Strat Up Construction as our platinum sponsor. With their support, we continue to produce the Broken Fathers Podcast and try to light on the struggles of men who have been let down by the system. Good morning, listeners and viewers, and welcome back to the Broken Fathers Podcast, Australia's first and only podcast dedicated to addressing filming court issues from the perspectives of fathers. I'm your host, Percy. Now, before I introduce today's guest, just a reminder the link for my podcast merchandise is in our bio on Insta, Facebook, TikTok, or just go straight to fkvx.au. Now, today's guest, I've been uh waiting, and so so I have my followers. I've been waiting for this guest to come on. She was due to come on a little while ago, but she she had some commitments come up, and I had some commitments pop up, so we pushed it back. But um my guest used to work for DV Connect. Now I won't say how many years, it's more than five years. I don't want to identify my guests, and for the purpose of this episode, I have protected her identity. I'm going to call her Liana Carter, and um we're gonna edit her voice. The reason we're doing this is because she's gonna give us the juicy, juicy goss of what really happens behind closed doors at DV Connect. So, welcome, Liana. Thank you for having me. No, thank you for coming on. Um I thought I'd pull up the DV Connect website. I might just read what they have here on the home page. So it says, creating pathways for a life free from violence and fear. We help Queenslanders find pathways to safety away from domestic, family, and sexual violence. We provide emergency transport and accommodation for your entire family, including pets. We also provide safety planning, crisis counseling, intervention, information, and referrals at no cost to you. We operate bridging accommodation residence, Bellers Sanctuary, a safe haven for victim survivors to heal and rebuild their lives. We also educate through our workplace domestic family violence training program. Now there's uh some other links here that say DV Connect Women's Line, DV Connect Men's Line. Interesting, the DV Connect Women's Line is available 24-7. The DV Connect men's line is only available between 9 a.m. and midnight. And then we have a sexual assault helpline and yeah, so um obviously with my podcast, I'm about fathers finding through family court system, but that always entails child support, DV, there's a list of things. Um you know, I faced the D V ringer, went to trial and won, etc. But it was very easy to have allegations thrown at you. Um but I've during this journey I've always found um that there's a lot of support for women, but there doesn't be seem to be a lot of support for men. So I'm hoping you can give us a bit of insight. Is there actual help for men behind the closed doors of DV Connect? Um now normally with my guests when they come on, I like to get to know about who they are, where they grew up, but for this episode I can't do that because I don't want to identify you. So we'll just crack straight into working for D. So I'm not gonna ask you what what year you started there. But um can you tell us how you came ac came across maybe to to work in there?

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yeah, no, definitely. I'd worked in the sector privately, doing separate things, not on domestic violence, but in the community sector. And then I saw a job opportunity and so I worked there for a little bit. I wanted to understand the sector and support people experiencing violence, not just women, people in general.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

So is um so this is DV Connect for Queensland. Uh so each state has their own DV Connect line, I guess. They're probably called something else.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah, so every state has a 24-hour crisis hotline for people experiencing violence.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Okay. Um, so is it like a big headquarters site building?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

So DV Connect building is a confidential building. So it um there's no signs or anything like that. So it's just phone work, no face-to-face.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Okay. Um and you worked there more than five years, we'll just say that. What let's just start from the start. What was your first couple months like working there?

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Um at that stage it was a lot smaller, the organization. So I was sold under the presence that we would be supporting clients. We had a CEO at the time that I believed had a good mindset on how she would support people, but I didn't see that. It was kind of sold to me that that's how it would be that we'd be supporting people, be holistic and be creative with our support, but that was soon exposed that was not the case.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

What um I don't know if you're allowed to say is how many people working there, like picking up phones, etc.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Um during my time it probably got up to about 30 people a day, but when I first started it was probably about 15. Yeah, so it doubled.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

And obviously it's 24-7, so there's a night shift team?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Yeah, so the um the amount of staff decreased at the night time, so there's only one staff member on from 11 pm.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Well yeah. Yeah. I wonder if um oh sorry for everyone watching on YouTube, um, you just have to stick with my ugly bug because um I'm protecting my guests' identity, so cameras just on me. Um interesting because I mean given it's night time, maybe there's peew out drinking, wouldn't you think night time would be more high rip high risk for DV happening?

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Most definitely, and you don't have services to work with to help you. So during the day you can ring a local domestic violence service to um share the load of that case, but often evening you're just yourself. So that means all admin booking, motels, counselling, speaking to police, it's all on you as a one worker model.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Um when you work for DV Connect, was there like a training program, like a recruit layers in like uh maybe a three-week course that you had to do on something or um so you had to have qualifications to be eligible for the job, so you needed to have a uni degree that was relevant.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Um, and then the training was like two weeks approximately, then two weeks where you're shadowing another staff member on the phone.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

And what's some of the training they they give you in those two weeks?

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Um, on women's line, it's mainly l listening to phone calls, um, reading legislation and dealing with case studies. And then the first call that you take is nothing that you've been trained on because it's um the case the training is very much uh dealing with an ideal client. So somebody that ticks all the boxes to get to safety. There's no consideration for people that fall outside of that.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

During the training, did you find anything that was sort of uh how do I say uh one-sided to say females? Or what do you think? Was there anything in the policies that stood out or on the in the sorry in the training manuals?

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yes, so pretty much in all of the training i they use a gendered lens. So that means they only refer to victims of violence to be she, her. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

And it's it says that in your in the training manual. So what what do they say if if um okay, let's just say I call it, for example, DV Connect Hotline, and I say um I've been assaulted, or I feel my life's in danger, I live at home, but your training pot policies manual sa uh say that, you know, the victims I only refer to them as uh she or her. What does it say for you guys to to to do or or say on the phone?

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Well, firstly, when you do the women's line training, you're offered to do men's line training as a separate training manual, but a lot of women don't want to work with men. So the amount of people on the men's line is significantly smaller, two people per day, in comparison to 30 to the women. Um so on the men's line training, it pretty much says if a male aggrieved calls up, try and see how he thinks he's the aggrieved and what he did to warrant any violence he may be experiencing. So if a male calls up and says, Hey, I've been punched in the face, or hey, um, I can't go see my friends and being isolated, why does your partner feel insecure? Why are they not letting you see your friends? Have you done anything to warrant that concern? Why did your partner hit you in the face? Did did you control her prior like prior to that? Like trying to push them into a corner to pretty much say they did something wrong. And when the male person gets upset and angry because they're not being heard or believed despite what their website says, they then can be like, Yep, they were a perpetrator because they got angry.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Wow. And I can I mean I would get frustrated if I'm calling up asking for help and someone's like, Well, you know, how did he get to this stage? What I I feel like that's maybe uh entrapment, you know, you're trying to get him to to lose his temper and then all of a sudden look, there it is. Um that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Um did anyone ask how many people were in your class like in your class when you did the or was there was it like a class or a few of his when you did your training, or was it one by one or so uh at to begin with it was one by one because they didn't have the numbers of staff, but because their turnover rate is the highest I've ever seen in the sector, they would then do bulk hiring. So there could be you know three people in the training, or there could be six, so it's just an in-house training.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

So the the turnover is people they can't handle working there, and what's what's some of the reasons, you know?

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Um, numerous reasons. It like a lot of people in the sector feel similar to me, they feel like there's a lot of injustice and they see this as a platform to try and bring awareness and challenge what's happening. If that happens, you are gone. Really? Yes, and so there's a lot of that, but there's also because they have such a low um, sorry, a high turnover rate, when people apply, they're often new students looking for work because they need that experience and they do not have the skills equipped to deal with the work that they do, and it's a very high pressure taking, you know, 40 calls, 50 calls a day.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

And it's trauma, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:58

So it's not a happy phone call. And you don't get a good outcome because if they're called back, it's because something bad has happened again. You don't get the good feeling of seeing somebody really go to safety.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

What were you doing like 12-hour shifts there? 8-hour, 10-hour shifts?

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yeah, so they vary. So um, yeah, they're usually eight, eight hours on average.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Yeah, I'm flat stick taking one phone call to I get drained. I couldn't imagine doing doing that all day. Um as the years went on, like you know, your first couple months and year, did did things change as years went on? Did we uh expose some more stuff? Was there sort of more questionable or red flags in the system working there?

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Yeah, as um when you're a counsellor, you just see the client's perspective, and then when you change from that role into something different, you see the sector's perspective and the funding body's perspective and how the organization runs and what their priority is, which is numbers. They they say that they're not KPI based, but they're KPI based. Quotas? Yes. So you have to reach the quota they have to receive, they have to answer, sorry, uh uh 89% of their phone calls to meet their funding requirement. And um and yeah, so if they don't do that, there's still no consequence, but they put that pressure on the staff constantly.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

We'll get the funding. Interesting you say that. I had a QPS cop tell me that uh they the OIC got up uh I her she was a female cop actually. She said a female came in, uh wanted to put a DVR on this her ex. Um and she said no, didn't see any evidence, etc. But then she got in trouble by her OIC at the station and said, Why didn't you put one on him? Uh as in the the female's ex. And she said, Well, I didn't think one was warranted. I didn't see any evidence. And the OIC said, No, you put one on him because I've got a quota to meet. And I was like, Wow. And from what I've heard is apparently every O every OIC from not every some OICs at each station are chasing a promotion. So they're saying stuff like, Well, my police station, we'd put we'll make it up, 5,000 DVOs on. Oh, and then someone will be like, Well, my police station put 7,000, yeah. So yeah, it's interesting you say that. The funding. Okay, before we do funding, the different sectors in DV Connect. What's some of the different sectors that you can work in? Hey guys, just a quick shout out to our gold sponsors. MCH Industries are a mining maintenance specialist company supplying solutions to the coal mining industry in the Bowen Basin and regional New South Wales. They supply superintendents, supervisors, leading hands, diesel fitters, tire fitters, auto electricians, HV electricians, and trade assistants to assist. The mining one-stop shop for mechanical trades. MCH Industries are always looking for good blokes to jump on the team, so check out their Instagram for more details. And are you looking to buy, sell, or invest in real estate? There's only one name that's been leading the way for over 123 years, Ray White. Ray White isn't just another real estate brand, it's a family business built on ambition, trust, and leadership. Today, it stands as the largest real estate group in Australasia, connecting people with homes and investments across the country. Whether you're a first-time buyer, a seasoned investor, or looking for that perfect home, Ray White is committed to delivering authentic local expertise. Because real estate isn't just about properties, it's about people, communities, and futures. And when it comes to trusted leadership, meet Alex Illyan, an ex-Army veteran turned dedicated real estate agent. Alex knows what it means to serve, to strategize, and to get the job done. Whether you're looking to buy, sell, or just have questions, Alex is here to guide you every step of the way. Service in the Geelong, Bellerine, and Surf Coast areas. Ray White, the name you can trust in real estate.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Um, so in there there's like the men's line, the line. And um, so they're the three primary lines, but the women's line has uh three um tier models. So triage, so that's your initial call takers, KPI, no longer than 10 minutes. So within 10 minutes, you need to assess is this person in danger? Click all the boxes that you need, like their generic details, name, age, those sort of things. Do an assessment, quick assessment, and if it meets threshold, and if they are the ideal client for shelter, no drugs, no alcohol, no health issues, then you can book them in for an intake. An intake takes an hour unless an interpreter is required. Um, so that's the second tier is the intervention. The third tier is placement. So that's where they put the clients into TV housing?

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Uh shelter um shelter, yeah. Yeah. Intake is it online on phone or in person? All on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

They don't do anything face to face, nothing whatsoever. They're a faceless service.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Well, yeah, of course. They don't want to know where the building is, yeah, of course. Um yeah, right. So let's just say I call up um or someone calls up, and then you've booked they book booked them for an hour intake. Um, what's some of the questions in that hour intake? Can you ask?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Very intrusive. Um, so there's generic questions like health conditions, if they have any legal matters pending, um, those sort of things. But the risk assessment itself is very in detail about the types of violence and you need to explain. So if you say, hey, has there been any physical incidences of violence? Yes. When, where, what did it look like? What was the impact? And that same goes for sexual violence. Has there been sexual violence? Yes. Provide details. Though working under a trauma lens, explaining details of sexual assault is incredibly traumatizing. So it's not recommended to get in-depth detail about that.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

So if someone provides details, do they have to provide evidence? Not whatsoever. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

You can ring up and say, someone just burnt down my house. I need somewhere for my me and my three kids. There's no, and and there's they call them, this is their their words, frequent flyers.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

So click We call that at the hospital, patients that rotate through frequent flyers.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

So there's clients that we um know that they're not being honest about things, but they still get a service just in case.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Do you if you know someone's a frequent flyer, are you able to put like a cross against their name to say, or you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah, so what that's called a case recommendation, so they put an alert on their file. So some people will just flat out be rejected. So there'll be a client I can think of one, um, that had so she was a high-risk client. She had experienced significantly legit. Legit. Like almost um fatality, really, really intense. But she was using ice, that was her way of coping. So because of her ice use, they would not support her in a hotel. So instead of saying, because obviously she wasn't um suitable for shelter, but instead of saying, look, we'll give you one night just to have somewhere safe to go, or let's look at alternative things like hostels or family, flat out no, and she had been like in a coma and things like that, and they would reject her. But a client that had been yelled at by their partner twice will get a weaker motel.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

So if you come in to do the our the our intake, what some crosses that go against you then where you wouldn't have fancy getting um did the DV shelter? Drugs?

SPEAKER_01 19:34

So drugs, um any significant health issues that require a big hospital. Yeah. Um if you have a male child over 12. Oh, yeah, and so um if there's ever been any mental health, so somebody has depression That's a cross. That's a cross.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

So mum calls up, she does air and take, ticks all the boxes, she has a 10-year-old son, she advances to the DV shelter. Is there a time frame you can stay in the shelter for?

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Um the legislation child uh changed a while ago, but it's need by stay, I think it's called. So you don't get kicked out by a certain time, but if you're not engaging in the shelter, you can um yeah, you can get kicked out, but it's it's not that often.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Um so it that's interesting because let's just say, Mom, she's in trouble. Um, you know, she's ticked all the boxes, but her son is 12 or 13. How do you say no to her? You obviously don't say sorry, you got a son.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

No, so what what you have to say is um the shelters um will not accept a child over a male child over the age of twelve due to concerns about the exposure to violence and what that would look like to other clients and other children. That client that child could be a risk. So do you have somewhere where that child can go and we can take you or you and your other children, but that child cannot attend the shelter.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

So you could have mum could ring up, she's got a 16-year-old daughter, 15-year-old daughter, 12-year-old daughter, six-year-old daughter, but she's got a 13-year-old son. Everyone can go by him. Yes. Wow. Wow. Okay. Um, that's that's crazy. Has that and uh was that I mean, you might not know if it's still in play today, but since day one when you worked there, was that always the way?

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, that there is the exception. If I don't know exactly how many shelters there are in Queensland, but estimately maybe like 35 or 40. Originally, there used to be like two, especially the newer shelters. There are shelters that aren't government funded that are open to taking male children. Who pays for that? So it just depends. Some of them are like run by like Uniting Care and things like that, and some of them are privately owned by by people that have property or spare housing. But DV Connect doesn't endorse them because if there's any issues there. There's no they can't protect themselves.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

When I hear the word shelter, I think of like just a big barn. Because you know shelter, right? What does a shelter it's it's it's obviously units, it's accommodation, right? But we just use the word shelter. It's not like a a big barn and everyone just pulls up a bit a bit of a bed. It's it's proper sh bathroom, toilet, um, you know, uh bit bedroom, etc., kitchen.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, so for so for shelters for women that have children, um 90% of the time they get like a whole like unit to themselves, own bathroom, everything like that. There's some places where there may be shared bathrooms between a couple of people. Yeah, and like communal lounge room, but everybody will have their own bedroom. Okay. But if you're a single woman, no, um there's shared spaces, shared bed bedrooms, like a hostel.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

And obviously the government paid for the the the the funding comes from the government or to DV Connect, DV Connect pay for all the shelters, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:59

No, so DV Connect does not pay for the shelters at all. The clients are expected to pay um the shelter 25% of their income.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Okay, and who pays the other who pays the 75% of the income?

SPEAKER_01 23:09

That would be the government because they are the government funded ones, but um that's why people um with no income that that's sorry, that would be across on the intake. If somebody receives no income because of visa status, um they will not take them. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Um we were talking about the intake, we've talked about uh flags and how you progress to the next one. Let's just say mum calls up, she passes the one the intake, she now advances. How quick do they do they get into the shelter?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

So um once you pass the intake process, once you are eligible, um you go straight to a motel. And so after that it depends on vacancies.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

So is that pretty much you make the decision right at the end of that phone call, or do you need to go and assess it again? You you uh once that our phone call is done, you go, yep, you've you've you've advanced pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Yep, and then you um book motel accommodation. Straight away. Straight instantly. Instantly. Instantly.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

And obviously just closest to wherever they live type thing, or it depends on the risk.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

So if that um when they do the risk assessment, they check where the perpetrator works, where he frequents, and those sort of things, and then they base it from that, but then you go straight into motel, and from motel you can be in there for one day or you can be in there for 20 days.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Well, until you f find shelter.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yeah, and that's another thing. So when you let's say you parcel the boxes, you your risk assessment's good, you don't have any health issues, you're not on drugs, you're fine. Um, then you have to agree to go anywhere in Queensland. Okay. You could say, Hey, I don't want to leave. My 13-year-old son's gonna stay at my friend's house, so I don't want to be too far away from him. Too bad. And so when you're offered a shelter, let's say you're in Brisbane, they offer you a shelter in Cairns. You have if you decline that, get out of the motel.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Oh, wow, okay. And who pays for the motel? Yeah, I do mean yeah. Um Okay, yeah, so we've done the process there. Um funding. Now we can only speak about I suppose the fund during that time that you're there. What's how how much of the funding was going in there, do you know? What um I see how much do you know how much the government was pouring in the DV Connect? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Like, I remember per like program, for example, like they were paying um something like sixty grand a month for the office. Just to r to rent the office? Just to rent the office. Um and then um figures, it's hard I I can't remember the exact figures, but men's line, as you can see on the website, was funded nine till midnight. But the staff were funded w were on staff, I'm sorry, on shift from nine till ten. So after that, ten o'clock, women's line takes the phone calls and just takes messages and says that the men's line is busy. But there's nobody there.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Oh wow. Wow. Before we actually, yeah, before we go into funding, let's talk phone calls. Um, are there any that stick out? Obviously, we're gonna protect the pay clients, patients, uh story, but I mean, with anyone that's stood out and go, what if this is a bullshit story? Yeah, well, if this is bullshit, but you have to, I suppose, hear them out and go along with it type thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:30

Yeah, no, definitely. There was um I'll give him enzyme one first and the lack of support. Um so I get a phone call from a a male um and he's hysterical. His partner has um their child, a two-year-old under two years, it was almost a baby, and she had scissors to the baby, and um said, like, you can't leave. I'm gonna I'm gonna cut the baby up, I'm gonna cut the baby up. He called the police and they was it we'll be there soon, we'll be there soon. And he was hysterical. So he rung, he rung a hotline, and um he was needing that help, he needed that advocacy. So I kept him on the phone and said, Look, I'm gonna really push this. And the operator that I spoke to was like, Oh, the child's with the mother, though. So the child's with the mother, and I said, But the mother has a weapon and threatening to hurt the child, and then they said, You know, what's the male doing? And I was like, He's on the line with me, he's hysterical. And I stayed with him until the police got there and helped. And then when I called my manager, so when you receive an um intense phone call, you update the managers. So I called the manager, and then they criticised me to say, Well, did you explore the violence that he may have perpetrated for her to get to that state where she was willing to hurt her child?

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Would they, if you were to flip the roles and it was the father holding the scissors and the mother calling, would your hierarchy of ask the same questions? Absolutely not. Well, man. It must be a shit position for you though, like to go to work.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

I mean, was there some days that you felt helpless with knowing that many lots of the days I yeah, lots of the days because you'd get some on the sexual assault line, I I enjoyed the work that was done there. I I feel like the values on that line were, you know, good. It wasn't a gendered line. Anybody could call that line and there was support there. But um, most of the days they were the same people calling up with false stories, or they would use a fake name, but their phone number would show up, so then we knew it was them. But we can't catch them out in a lie.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

So you yeah, you so you guys got uh platforms or apps that register the numbers, and um, you know, we'll just make oh Mary Jane over here, she calls up, um, and she calls up as she says she's under a different name. Obviously, you're you can't say Mary Jane, we know this is you. You're just gonna go, all right, Sarah, um, what's wrong?

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yes, that that's exactly it. And another story of stuff that you wouldn't believe was, you know, we'd get clients with significant mental health. So a client would ring up and say, Hey, there's a helicopter over my house, there's a sink devices in my house, someone's attacking me right now. We have to believe what they say. Oh, really? And book them in for an intake, knowing it's not in her best interest for that either.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

But um with the intake, obviously if they say they've got mental health conditions, they they don't advance to the um T DV shelter, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah, so sometimes you hear that people have significant mental health, you know, like hallucinations, but if they don't tell you they have mental health, then so clients will decline a client for meth use. So then they'll call back and say, Hey, I don't use meth use. Yeah, okay. And then what do you do there? Here's a hotel. Uh and if there's if there's damage at the motel, because sometimes clients would call up and get a motel for them and their partner if they were homeless.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

So they I've got comments of that. People have commented that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Yeah, that they'll call up and they'll say, Hey, me and my cousin need somewhere safe to go. Um, yep, here's a hotel. And then um they'll have a party. They have a big party, they'll steal everything, and trash a joint. And the government pays for that. Wow. There's no there can't be any accountability because when we book hotels, never ever use anybody's identity, name, or anything like that. So if they trash anything, they're not held, they're not liable.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

No. So um how do you put the like obviously you booked the motel, you just say I'm so-and-so from DV Connect. I have some people come there, you don't ask questions, or do you have set motels that set motels with relationships? Okay, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, that's crazy. Um any traumatic stories that stick out, like you know, um real bad ones?

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Yeah, so clients have died, um, like in motel. Um so receiving that that phone call or clients have died on their way.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

So the the ex has found them at the motel or tracked them down?

SPEAKER_01 31:11

No, not during my time there was no um murder per se. There was just overdose, those sort of things. So taking phone calls from moteliers that have um found that, and they're not acquitted, they're you know, they're they're just trying to do their job. Was it overdose on purpose to commit suicide or yeah, I think that the ones during my time definitely were, and I um I have been on a phone call while somebody was um like murdered. She didn't die on the phone to me, but she died, yeah, afterwards. So yeah, there's there is really traumatic stuff. There's um yeah, and same on the men's line, you know, men have killed themselves.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Yeah, I can yeah, I can see why, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

You know, I've been on the phone with somebody who's sitting, you know, on the edge of something ready, ready to go, and our process doesn't support that, but ethically as a practitioner you can't ignore that. Um I hate to ask this question, but um, any stories of kids passing away or dying or um there's been older like teenage children that have been, and um and public cases that were seen on the news um that um we had contact with as well. So there was that, and there's been a lot of um yet threats to kill children on on both lines. What um so would um child safety and child protection be tied in if you guys want to say tied and you guys work work side by side, I guess, because depending if if someone Since it's it it's an independent agency, so we like at DV Connect, they don't collaborate with anybody, they they're very on their own, but they would have processes for completing um child safety notifications.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

What um I feel like that's I feel like all these organizations aren't linked.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

That's exactly that's the issue because they talk about being holistic, but there's um, for example, if you're working at DV Connect, your job is to focus on the DV. If there's additional child protection matters or um mental health or drug, you can you can't do all of those things without some assistance and that's what they're lacking. They don't collaborate because I feel like they're not doing the right thing and they don't want other services to hold them accountable.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Do you guys have access to, you know, like Queensland Police, they use Qprime um search people's profile? Like, do a DV connect, do you have a platform or where you can search a person's if if there is a DVR on them or if they've got a DVO against someone else or um no, the the privacy for that's pretty tight.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

Okay. So the the system that they have is just internal. So the inf they'll store information about clients as they give the information. So a lot of the time the information isn't correct because a client can say whatever they they want to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

And you have to believe them, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Yeah, the only difference with that is both um men's line and women's line get police referrals. So they get a referral from the police to receive a phone call, and it depends on the referral. Sometimes they just say fighting at the house, or sometimes it's an actual occurrence that says everything in it. So that's the only factual information that you'd you'd get.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Let's talk about funding slash incentives. So because obviously we both know there's general DV out there and know that. But I feel there's in my opinion, more fake DV, whether it's to use it use it as a tactical advantage going into family court or maybe getting like a handout. What's some incentives for people to manipulate the system here? Um, like before you said, people just got the motel to party in. Um is there a uh I know there's a government handout money-wise, I don't know if that comes from D V Connect, that comes from but um the the biggest one is the Victims Assist Queensland. Okay, and that's a separate organization. Yeah, victims I've heard them victims. Is that victims of crime? No, that's that's separate.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Um yeah, no, I think they they could be called both, but their their their technical name is Victims Assist Queensland VAQ.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

Alright, so mum calls up, she does the one hour intake, she passes all the box, she's gone to a motel, and now she goes to a DV shelter. What else um is 75% of her rent at the DV shelters paid? She's got to pay the 25% a week. Um let's just say we'll make it up hundred bucks a week. Easy math. So government pays 75 bucks a week, she pays the 25 bucks. Um what's some other handouts that that they get?

SPEAKER_01 35:38

So another one is travel. So if um, for example, uh a woman rings up and says, Hey, I've experienced violence, but I've got good friends in Melbourne I can stay with, DV Connect will call their friends, confirm that they can go there, and then send them there. So we saw a lot of people who wanted to just get back to family for for Christmas, and um they would just fund and then we'd get a phone call saying, Oh, I'm experiencing family violence in Cairns now, I need to go back to Brisbane. So, you know, spending lots and lots of money on flights.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

I've got I've got I've only got family on my pizza. So pretty much. Have you had any wild ones like that?

SPEAKER_01 36:13

Anyone you wouldn't fly overseas anyway, right?

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Um to New Zealand. To New Zealand, yeah, but uh not further than that. Yeah. Uh okay, so yep, flight. Um anything else? Because uh from the DV Connect side of things.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

So D V Connect that that's what they do, like give vouchers and things like that. Um but it's primarily crisis. But they you can ring up and not pass the intake and get a support letter for VAQ to get the 15 grand.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Okay, so let's talk about this. Uh VAQ stands for Victims No Victims Assist Queensland. Okay. Um and is that a separate organization? Yeah. Okay, Victims Assist Queensland. Um so let's just say I didn't pass the one hour intake, and I go to get who do who needs to write a support letter? Anyone?

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Like uh Yeah, it's a DV can like a local domestic violence service connect.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

I'll go to get my local domestic violence person and write a support letter, say I'm in trouble. Um and I go, I submit it to V VAQ, and what and what's the process there? They go, All right, yep, you're in a bit of trouble. Here's 15 grand.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Yep, so pretty much there's two payments in relation to domestic violence. Nine grand is the lower level, and 15 grand is the higher level of violence, and the difference between the two is sexual assault.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

So, and you just take that on phase f phase four SLB. So um we'll start with the nine grand one. Um is that ta tax free? Just lump sum. Lump sum from VAQ into your bank account. Yeah. Uh and so what's the if I submit that letter? Do I suppose I submit it or call them up? Submit it online, yeah. Online. They call what day later, two days?

SPEAKER_01 37:58

No, they do take a while. Like they do take a while. Um, it can take anywhere, it can take two weeks, and it can take a year, 18 months. It just depends on how busy they are.

SPEAKER_00 38:08

And if VAQ, I don't know if you can answer this. VAQ do call, uh, is it literally just the one phone call and they go, okay, yep, no way.

SPEAKER_01 38:14

They don't call, they just read the letter.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 38:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

And then how and then how do they put the money in the bank?

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Like so, when you do the application, you just provide your safe bank account detail, so it's all on the bottom.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

So it's all on the initial application. Here's the case. You just get an email.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah, you'll just get an email saying there'll be 15 grand in your account in the next four business days.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

So the first one was it nine grand and then tier tier one, tier two, is that what you call it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then 15 grand, the only thing that separates that is if it's sexual violence. So for me to go from nine to fifteen, I could say I was sexually assaulted. Yes. Yep. And you guys just take that on one word. Wow. And then I submit a form to support letter, VAQ. Here's my bainty test.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

There's another loophole with that too. So let's say um December 2024, you did an application and you said that you're in a DV relationship where you're being sexually assaulted for a year, for example. Oh, and then you go on a new year. And then you call and then you do another application once that gets approved. You can't do it until once that's approved that money's in your account, which is usually it can take a year. Next year, you say since December 2024, you know, I was raped once and yelled, yelled at by my partner. You get another 15 grand. So there's no cap on it.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

So you could just keep going, keep going. Yeah. Well yeah. What's some of the biggest cash outs you've seen happen?

SPEAKER_01 39:32

In in yeah, 12 months, 100 grand. Wow. And that's multiple per so you could do four you could do five applications in one day for five DV relationships.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

So you do one for sexual violence and you could do one for It's five different people.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Oh, okay. You can say I was in a relationship for two months with this person.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Robbo, Johnno, Timmy. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Yeah. So you can I've I've done that. Well, not five, I've done three. Yeah. Wow. And one day, all sexual violence.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Um what if a man calls that?

SPEAKER_01 40:07

I suppose because you don't work for VAQ, but what's I think men do get the same same rights, but the issue with that is where they're getting their support letters. They're not getting it because DV services.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Yeah, because I don't look so can you confirm, because I haven't found anywhere, that there's I'm under the belief that there's not one DV shelter for men in Australia. Zero. Thought so.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Zero. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Because I hear people on like, of course, DV is at this and that. I'm thinking I can't find one.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

No, they don't exist. The only thing that they could potentially offer you is a hostel.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

And that's like a backpacker type, that's a hostile hostile.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

And what if you have children? You can't take children there. Because their viewpoint is a man with children can't experience TVs.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

And this is the problem, like, oh speaking to my partner about it. It's like it's you can wake up one day, kiss your kid, goodbye, go to work, um, life's normal. Come back, and you uh cops are there say, sorry mate, your partner's put a TV on you, your kid's name's on there, you can't enter your house, you're like, hold on a sec, what's going on? My life's just been turned upside down. Where am I supposed to go? And cops are like, Well, sorry, mate. Too bad so sad. Go to sleep, and you can't then it's like, where do they go? Like, I got fathers that message me going, that exact same scenario, I've got nowhere to go. I'm thinking, fuck, like, what do I say? I've got I I don't I don't know what to say. Yeah, there's no option. There is no. It's just like and it's just crazy, you know. Um when you said the story before about the mother holding scissors, um holding the baby. I thought of philosophy. I only just learned about philosophy last year. Um probably shouldn't bring the definition. It's like where the parent kills the child. Yeah. I I might wear that wrong, but um and they say that it's the mothers have the highest rate for for philicide. Um and I was like, wow. Um uh sorry. So funding, okay. So yeah, we're talking about cat handouts. Every state seems to have a different um DVO uh five grand, and New South Wales is all different. Um I think this is more, this is not um DV Connected, this is more the sector. Yeah, the sector, yeah. Um I've heard I've read some crazy comments on here. I'll open up later. Like um, like you said before people have done it multiple times. There's couples still, they're still together, but they're just like, you know what, this is a this is easy cash grab, and we'll say that and then just go back home together. Yeah. Um I kinda I kind of laugh at that in a way, because obviously it's not genuine, it's favor it's like, oh well, you know, because you know the government, well stuff the government, if you're getting money from take it, you know, like just yeah, I kind of laugh at it, but um so what's some of the culture like at uh DV Connect?

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Putrid Putrid. It it's that that was the thing that I had to walk away from. It's um there's so much to say. They it's a mean girl mentality. There there's clicks, there's um lots of judgment on on the people. Yes, yeah, definitely. And to kind of you have to be that alternative person in the sense that you know it's admired if you prefer to date women because it it feeds that men are crap. So at at the Christmas party, you can't bring your male partner. Wow. You cannot bring your male partner.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

At the Christmas party, you're not allowed to bring your husband, your partner, your fiance. Yeah, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

They they they'll say that it's for everyone, but it I've seen females bring things. That's what I was gonna say. If you're a lesbian, you've got a lesbian partner, all good. Yeah, they won't word it like that, but I've seen it. Equality. Yes, and and the men that work there, some of the like are lovely and they're really um they're they're They're too scared to engage with the women who work there.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah, I'll bet. Are they can allow they're allowed to attend the Christmas party? Yeah. Yeah, they can continue.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

Yeah. But they but they're they're not in the click. They're they're really shunned and I've seen off to the side. When I've spoken to them, because when I worked on men's line, I built relationships with them and they're they're terrified to speak to the women there. Because they are literally in a corner and they're they're not um they're not celebrated.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

What so when you go to the DV Connect building, is the women's hotline on a separate level type thing, or is it just one big office?

SPEAKER_01 44:34

It's one big office, the women's line will like uh have the nicest view and those sort of things, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Of course. Um so is a bit of a it'd be fair to say there's a bit of a man-hating culture in in the D V Connect?

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Definitely. Like and when when you um when a female will get a male partner, like a staff member, they look them up on the system, they call it perp checking.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

That's right, I remember me saying this, which is I suppose a breach, right? Because you're it's illegal.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

It's incredibly illegal because that information also isn't factual. It's just yeah, it's they could have a bit of ex-girlfriend that rang up and said a whole heap of stuff, and now they don't get the opportunity to date people on false judgments.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Purp check. Well, the cheeky perp check. Um does it leave a record, like I assume when you log in, you've logged in on your name, your thing, so that would record if you searched someone? Yeah, it does. Yeah, okay. Um, what's some of the have people been fired over during the did you see people get sacked during your time there?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Um, yeah, not for those things. Um just for like poor conduct and you know, they would not pass people's probations if they just didn't like them. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

So that you you're on a what, three months probation? Is that the usual when you start? Yeah, three or six months, depending.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

There was actually somebody who got fired because she had a previous sexual relationship with somebody higher up, and when that person found out that they were hired there, she cancelled her um her training straight away. Like a same sexual.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Same sex, yeah. Yeah, wow. Um was there uh I think when we spoke offline, was there a bit of a drug culture there going on? It was massive drug, massive drug dealing, massive at work, yes, huge. What like what sort what type of drug? Procaine primarily. Is that what because they the phone calls all day?

SPEAKER_01 46:29

People want to sort of I think it was just it just became a habit, you know, that the toilet was constantly What do you do you reckon that came about?

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Do you reckon because people are sort of maybe drained from the culture and being on the phone all day, they've got a temporary band-aid?

SPEAKER_01 46:44

I don't know, like it had like for example, the office is in a really beautiful location, overlooks the Brisbane, you know, river, and it's really fancy. When COVID happened, they were essential workers. So everyone would say they were going into work and they'd all just hang outside, bagging lines, and drinking and just river like the river fire, everyone would go there. Oh, yeah, so there's people two metres away getting these horrendous phone calls, and then there's people on the balcony, especially Oh man, what's uh what's the salary then like you don't have to say, is it yeah? So it it obviously depends. Um people get paid more on um if they do weekends and those sort of things. So is it uh is it early rate or sell salary or um it's hourly so I think the base rate for a counselor is like forty five or something? Yeah, forty-five, and then obviously they get bounces, yeah. Things like that.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

If you work if you work weekends, time and a half type thing, double.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

Yeah, so people usually work seven days a fortnight, and two of those being the weekend, and they'll get like a full wage, they'll get you know like three grand or whatever, three and a half grand.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

Yeah, right. Um okay, um, and obviously there's a high turnover rate. Um what else I don't want to speak about. What the commissioner there at that time.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

So the the CEO.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

The CEO, sorry, is that the rank? Yes, I see.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she was the CEO and she came um Beck O'Connor. She came from a different organization in New South Wales.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Um similar DV Connect, similar organisation.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

I think it was the Benevolent Society from memory. And what she did was she Empire built there. So she took on all these programs, so it looked like she had achieved a lot, but she didn't resource them. So that that place crumbled. So she went from New South Wales, I think it was, or maybe it was Victoria, and then came to Queensland, did the exact thing at DV Connect. So when she left there, her resume was really impressive. She had done all these programs, but not the effectiveness of them because she built, like she got all the funding, but there was no resources. So then she went from DV Connect to be um, I think it was Commissioner of Women's and Children's Rights, something like that. And then it was exposed, all the bad things that she did at DV Connect, there's articles on it, and then she resigned at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

So Kat Farmgirl, she asks, let's talk about the manipulation of the DV grants and the bullshit system of rorts or false claims. Well, I suppose we've already touched on that, and I mean, even if you genuinely believe someone's making a false claim, you can't say anything, right? Absolutely nothing. You can't do anything. No. Yeah, like you said before, there's a helicopter over my thing, blah blah blah. Um so you use, I suppose, how would I whether you're limited in your powers or you're bounded by your policy because it your training manual says XYZ, you have to take it on here so and that that's all you can do. You need to make them feel s like seen and heard whatever their website says. Kaylee Joy says, D V connect have a men line. Yep, we've we found that. I know this as I used to be a DV worker for males who required assistance, we gave it to them. I checked and it's still on the DV website. Yep, it is. Saw that this morning. Um I saw I saw in a female group, sorry, this is from Ava Marie. I saw in a female group about someone questioning about how long it took to get a victim of crime payment, and so many women were commenting saying they were waiting on their payment too. I thought surely not that many people have court cases going on. Makes sense it was all like a DV payment of crime payment. All makes sense now. More of a statement. Um, people asking what episode this is gonna be. This will be episode 32. Um It's encouraging that she's choosing to speak out. We need all the awareness we can get. Um Will they compensate you for psychological damage?

SPEAKER_01 51:15

No.

SPEAKER_00 51:15

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Um with the VAQ, um, what the eligibility is, is that an act of violence has happened and there's been impact.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

So um MJ says, holy god, thank god someone is speaking out. The whole thing is disgusting. I'm excited for this one. Um Carl says it happened to me. I would happily provide all my court documents to show the bullshit to the truth. Clear as daylight if you start looking into comms portals. Miss my boys more than anything. Comms portals? Like communication. Um about time this gets uncovered. I was told to leave my son here we go. I was told if I was told to leave my son at any age outside, I would tell them to shove their organization up their ass. Um how much more are people going to let this go on for? I think I mentioned in that reel about how if your kids the sons are over a certain age. Um all females versus one male, no evidence, just allegations that cause psychological damage. That's from the same person. Thanks, Percy, from Anthony. Unfortunately, this has been going on for over 30 years, run by the satanic government who look after their pockets at the expense of the children's lives. Men in Australia are treated like second-class citizens. Their false accusers should be jailed for fraud and publicly shamed for their crimes when this is proven in court. Wake up, Australia. Um Jana Lee. This is fucking disgraceful. Do they even realise what they are doing to real life DV victims? And yeah, I agree. Like for anyone watching this episode, I'm not bagging out DV. We I know there's genuine DV out there.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

For for both parties. Yeah, for both parties, yeah. That's the issue, it's only seen as a gendered issue, that it's just women. And on that topic, they would classify if a male um killed himself, that was his final form of domestic violence. What? Different story for women. Of course. That's that's their um, you know, their theory on that.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Jason says, This happened to me in my case, and they argued in final trial what an abuser I was and wouldn't shut up about the three police reports. On day three, they finally allowed me to speak, and I pointed out I was listed as the victim in all three reports. Changed nothing. The entire system is designed to split kids from their fathers, so they grow up to be lesser. Um generally, Stephen says, generally DV Connect and Doc's workers are just housers with shiny shoes.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

It's absolutely true.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

Ohuse would only go hand in hand, true to type. Daniel Gurr says, Why is domestic violence treated differently to normal violence? For example, I know a bloke that ran the police, sorry, I know a bloke that rang the police to report being continuously abused, both verbally and physically, by his girlfriend. After speaking to the police, asked if he had damaged a cupboard in the house a few weeks prior. A house solely owned by him. Even though he denied the claim, the police charged him and put a DVO on him and not the women of Salter who called them about it. I just can't see that this would be the outcome if the same incident occurred on the street between two strangers. Why is this? Well, I mean I uh I get question I get comments like this all the time, and I agree. It's just um it's like in this country they just believe the government narratives is that women don't commit DV.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

You know, and what what they base that on, because I know there's been a question on there that says something along the lines of why um why are you speaking now about this? Yeah, so that's that's a really important question. And um firstly, this is the first time I've had a platform where I can, you know, say what I want to say because when you say those things in office, when you challenge things, you're you're a crazy person, you're you're shunned, you can't, you know, go any further. And they you think as a worker you can slowly gently challenge things with logic, but they won't see it. They won't see anything other than women being the victim.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

Um I had um I can give an example of a menzyne call, um, if that would be helpful. Yep. So I've received an um phone call from a male who um had six children in his care. His partner had organized her family, like male family, so male and male violence, to beat this person really significantly. He broke his foot, he walked five Ks of broken foot to the hospital because they smashed his phone, a call from the hospital for assistance, called Diva Connect for accommodation because he was too scared to go back home. No. Wow. You can stay at the hospital with your six kids.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

Wow. Man, how did those uh Billy Joel Billy Joe, why are false allegations believed without correct investigation? I suppose because you're just bounded by your your your policies, right? You've been yeah. Um 2000 oh geez. 2016 oh this is a long story. 2016 I watched my son pass. I moved back to my hometown to grieve and get strong again. I had games played against me even though I had orders to see my daughter as well. Most fathers are screwed over as I was meant to see my daughter. The mother was associated to non pedos in Harvey Bay. The court took no notice. So 2018 I had some certain police associated with some issues. I busted them out on the cattle theft and they started harassing me with drones. These police turned up trying to serve a five-year DVO on me. I hadn't even spoken to my daughter's mum since 2017. So there was nothing I could do about it. I was already, it was already on me. In 2023, police served me with another order, and I still haven't even spoken to my daughter's mum since 2017. I was meant to have a video link from New South Wales to Bundaberg court, but it never hooked me up for this statement, which was all false accusation on paperwork. They just went straight ahead and put it on me. Over the last eight months, I found my daughter's mum had friend requested me. I screenshotted and blocked her. Then a couple weeks later, I found her following me on Facebook, blocked it again. Then a couple days before Christmas, I found her in my business page on Facebook under a different name, except I couldn't block her. Easy to stitch someone up when they're playing games with an officer as I found out she was doing everything these grubs have done, damaged my mum. Now I want revenge. It's not really a question, it's more of a statement, but um I hope he's doing alright. Um Dave says they extended mine for five years because she said she was scared. My pro my children have no problem talking to me every other day. The police should be held accountable for what they are doing to dads and their effects on children who have no choice. Family law is fucked up. There needs to be a cap on legal fees on a lawyer can change as they smile while they're taking your hard earned earned money. Yeah, I think police need to be held accountable too because but in saying that, and I know this because I have a lot of police supporters actually. Um they DM me, they say, Listen, we we support you and everything you're doing because we're sick of dealing with it. Unfortunately, we can't publicly tell you that we support you.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

And I've had that consistently my whole time, and it's just like any sector, I guess. Like there are some really good police that get it, and there's just some who don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

And some of them have told me that's why they left the job. Same as someone in your position, they go, Man, we we're bounded by our legislation. He goes, We're going to a house knowing we're gonna turn this father's life upside down when he when we shouldn't. Yeah, you know, we he we're gonna put a DV on him, he's probably gonna leave the house, lose his job, we'll take his weapons. And we generally believe he hasn't done nothing wrong, but we're bounded by our legislation. It's just like, man, and so they've left, you know, and I I don't blame him too. Um there has to be something done, it just has to um here we go. I've got a matter gone all the way up the chain, over 3,000 pages of evidence. No action to protect children while alleged victim, dating person, known habitual habitual DV history, and so serious was referred to a member of parliament. Sun thought I was unalived and traumatized. That even alleged victim video recorded and filed over four times to revoke the AVO. The alleged victim was threatened by powers that be to falsely keep AVO on. In brackets, illegal database search is 100% accurate. Sons exposed more DV at alleged victims' residence. I'm potentially going to another green Bahama holiday for alleged breaching AVO for raising objection to child exposed DV? This is New South Wales, not Queensland, but about to turn this argument on its head. Some of these are a bit hard to read. Um what incentives are available to DV claimants where their claims are unverified? What incentives does DV Connect have to encourage callers to exaggerate or falsely DV, falsify DV claims? Is funding based on numbers of callers or numbers of services connected?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

Yeah, so I guess funding um is based on callers. So like how many calls they they reach per year, and so if they're receiving less, that's why they want to spend as much money as possible towards the end of the financial year to get the same amount, if not more. Um even with the motels. So like because the motels are expensive, and so they're trying they have to try and spend that money, and sometimes they do it too quickly, then they run out of money, then they have to ask for more.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Yeah. So would you say that let's just say for the financial year they've been given we'll just make it up one million, right? And they've we're coming up to the end of the financial year and they've spent 900. Do they on purposely try and burn that hundred grand to yeah, could you lose it or lose it?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

Yeah, so they do once a year a thing like a team building with the whole team. And um I don't know what you're gonna say. So and ironically, like I don't know why this happens, but it's always at the end of the financial. Yeah. So because they do such great work, they get money incentives. So during my time, originally it was like a $20 movie gift card. My um one of the last times it was $450 cash in your bank. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

And a and a nice little Christmas party. Um I guarantee mainstream media won't want to touch this if you contact them. Um Yeah, if uh I think I read this one before. If situations in situations where claims are later to be inaccurate, what review, reassessment, or recovery process are in place, or if any, there's none really. There's none.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

And and speaking from experience in DV, but not DV Connect, um uh I did work with VAQ, so I have some understanding. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, sweet. So I have some understanding, not in depth, but I have some understanding. So we had a case and it was a really horrendous crime of domestic violence. Um we can cut this out. Can I like it's graphic? It's okay, yeah. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so I had a um a a case while working at VAQ for a short period of time where a woman had been sexually assaulted, um, had objects inserted in her with um that was had serious injuries, like long-term inju injuries. So um she was she got a payment. And um it w she was dating a bikey, so it was very believed that it was him. Um because he had a really bad record. He did a really bad record. Um we got footage, so she got the payment, and um she was using math, and she that was all self-inflicted. So she got the fire.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

So she s she inserted these things herself.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Yeah, so she got the fifteen grand. And um yeah, so that when when we spoke about it with VAQ, they just said, well, we it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

Yeah. Well it's a perfect example is like the the couple that got a motel room and trash in the party, that they're not gonna be held liable to pay back.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Um additionally, what safeguards exist to ensure financial assistance programs cannot be misused in the context of family law or custody disputes? And how does this organization balance urgent support for alleged victims with fairness and procedural integrity for players involved? Well, that last one you've you've you've explained, you'll you'll do the phone call, then you'll do the one-hour intake and the first one you probably won't be able to comment on because um I mean there are no safeguards to ensure um that assistant programs cannot be misused, right? There's there aren't really any. Um Carol Simpson, at what point can a male with or without legal representation appeal to the family court with regards to unfounded DV allegations before the courts listen to the injustices? I don't think that's something you can really answer. It's not um DV connect related. How far and how high how high up can this podcast go in the family law court to prove to the judges who's a playing God with the fathers and the children's lives and then this is actually happening? Look, I don't know. I'm just gonna keep chipping along. I know there's a lot of law firms after me, probably another one soon. At what point do these judges take stock of the inconsistency and the judgments pass it down the peers? Not a DV connect really question. Um men's referral so Mark says men's referral service, same thing. Approach them through so approach them though, standard notice to the victim via police, discussed only my perpetration of family violence, and what could you in brackets me? Have done differently about the situation rising tide. Then that's what you talked about before.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

Yeah. Yeah. How did you get in that situation?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

Well, like, yeah, let's just say I call up and say, Um, you know, my partner's just grabbed a bottle and bottled me over the head, and then someone from DB Connect says, Oh, but uh, how did it get to that? I'm thinking, mate, who cares? Like, I'm in trouble, I'm bleeding. Yeah, and then then if I lose my temper is like, oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:32

Yeah, and that's how they justify that model because people get frustrated because they're not feeling listed to leave. Yeah, that's it. So they get frustrated, so then they terminate the phone call.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:43

Danny, Danny Jack says, question how high does this go? Evidence or emails from senior personnel endorsing this rubbish?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

So I guess maybe in that, like, for example, I raised lots of things. Um they shut you down? Yes, and so the the board members they're not accessible.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Oh, so there's board members at DV Connect.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

There's board there's like a whole team, yeah. Yeah, it changes all the time because people get frustrated because I believe most of the board during my time there were there for good reasons. Oh, okay. Because they didn't know what was going on down below. Yes. So an email address was leaked to a staff member at one point of a board member, and an email was sent, and um yeah, the board member that board member left because they must have tried to discuss it and was shut down. Wow. Yeah. Um and they when they do that um team building day, um the board members come and um some questions can be asked. But as everybody stands up to ask questions, the management team is staring at them. And there was one case where a staff member just said, like, what can we do as a sector to get um like men's shelters for for aggrieved and for perpetrators? So for people who were actually perpetrators, they they still need somewhere to live, you know. Like if there was somewhere and for male aggrieved, and I didn't see her after that day.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:12

So I don't know what's the driving force though for them to be like what do I for example. If I go to McDonald's and like, oh, can I just get an extra sash? And they're like, oh, it's 50 cents. I'm thinking, man, like are you paying for it? Like, although you bit of extra sauce in my burger, like what's the driving force for someone in a hierarchy to say, don't be asking those type of questions? Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

Like that's a good question. I think it's it's the culture that breeds this anger towards men, and that you must um you must only believe women, you must, you know, it's and where is this coming from?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

It's not just in DV Connect, it's family court, it's like I was thinking to my partner about like this where is this being driven from? Does it start like on a prime minister level where they go, This is the government narrative, females? I think it yeah, where does it it's someone's driving this and it uh what year did it start and where where did it come from, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

Yeah, no, that's a really good question. I think when they in in this sector they talk about research-based, like evidence-based things, so they collate data. So in numbers-wise, women look like they're or like they're at a greater risk. They actually say that the biggest risk of domestic violence is being a woman. That's what they say. But when you do um research on human behavior, that's not always accurate because there could be so many male victims that don't know it or don't want to say it. So the evidence that you're collecting isn't true. And lots of women could say that they're victims of DV, but they're not. So that the data that they collect is not is not correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:50

Well, I've read somewhere that um lesbians actually hold the highest rates for DV in Australia. Yeah, I I don't like hearing that though.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

They probably will work at DV Connect.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:08

So I've read the ones off TikTok and Facebook. Um people just asking when it's gonna happen. I cannot believe that men do not get access to emergency shelters. I believe that's very there's very limited shelters that accept men. Well there's just none that there's zero. Yeah, there's other people believe I believe that also. People are like, oh my goodness, you're right. Yep, there's nowhere safe for men who aren't criminals and have drug and alcohol problems. The golden question, how many times did she witness government official ministers and cops in there making fun of males or any sadistic about the way the system they created is?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

I so TV Connect, um, the reason why they got the flash office and all those things, they're all about image. They they got um they started doing reels and tried to make it like this um fun, like trendy thing, and which is gross, it's disgusting. So they would always invite these big wig people over. Um I I never personally heard um like a a big person say anything negative because there was always camera crew, so it was always they were walking, it was all of like face, they'd walk in and they'd touch a counselor's shoulder and look really concerned, and then they'd just go and drink champagne, those sort of things. Um, so they it was all about face, and it was all about put like to put that public image out that you know they're they're this superior organization, not the truth. Um some of the police that we worked with were good though. Like sometimes they they would challenge what what we were doing, but um yeah, there was a police, this is juicy, there was a police um like allocated hotline just for DV Connect to kind of cut um corners around information, like assessing information from police. They were all men that worked there, and they slept with the majority of the staff, so there was uh um there was a bit of a thing going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:15

A bit of a different culture going on there, yeah, yeah. Well, um have a look back at the places the CEO of DV Connect has work. Leader of the NGIS, it was systemally abused. She also times two men's health organized leader, conflict of interest. Amanda Cam won't give a shit, it's her signature on the 10-year plan. She won't step up and say she was wrong. The CEO, I wonder if that's the one that you're talking about before. If that was Beck O'Gord or whatever it's like, uh Beck O Connor. Um how come when you've successfully defended yourself against three FD VROs, uh what's F family domestic violence? What's the R stand for? RO? Um if if you ask for any costs back, you end up having to pay the lawyers' costs for the cost here, and that's not a question for you, but uh I understand what he's saying, he or she. Um says you need lots of proof to get the payments. Get it right. Sorry to burst your bubble kim. That's what's Kim Kim's TikTok. Kim K Y M N Zero Triple Six, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:29

In terms of you know, the other payments, um, I think it might be called something different now, but it's called the Escaping Violence Program. So significantly smaller payment, and that's a much quicker one. From memory, it's been a while since I've done it. Um, I think it was like $700 bank transfer and like $1,500 worth of vouchers.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

But another another program and another payer, right? So I could do the VAQ $15,000, I could do that one as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:55

So what they recommend is do the escaping violence one first because you've got a time frame for that. You have to do that within I'm gonna say six weeks of escaping violence. VAQ. I think it's like yeah, eight years or something, like it's a very long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:09

Um how do we deal with false claims? What strategy we'll work with in the current system? Well, there is none, you can't. Um Laurel says the reality is it goes both ways. My ex was part of the family and community services, and because did not what I brought up was told to be used where he worked there, I was never believed. A bit hard on the same meant. Um, why isn't there any kind of equal support network for men? How can they not be drug tested like everybody else in Australia's workforce? Will these people in this department be held liable for fraud and made examples, named and shamed? Will there ever be external non-government body investigation? How can we get this taken further?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

Has there ever been an investigation in the Yeah, there was one recently in relation to the Beck O'Connor because the and the what spiked that was the fact that there's significant um call rate drop. So, like I said, I think from memory it was like 89% or 90% of calls have to be taken. It got down to 42% of calls were being taken, which is significantly less than the funding thing. And then also the wait times were like an hour for a crisis service. That's not okay, it's not good enough. So um they did the investigation. That's what the maybe if you put in the link for that um all that stuff about that Becco called it was it was in relation to that. I don't know it off the top of my head, and I wasn't there when it happened, but um that was spoken about, and when we got audited, I took the auditor aside and said, I'm leaving. This is dangerous, this is professionally dangerous, and I can't do this anymore. So there's records of people, not just me, heaves of other people like this isn't acceptable.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:52

Oh, Bates' gonna have a heart attack when this episode comes out.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Because again, she took on all these programs and didn't resource them, so and then taking it from frontline, you can't do that because the calls aren't getting answered. Um, and sorry, and in terms of resources, Men's line at one point had I think it was like two and a half thousand um referrals from the police that haven't been called. Wow. And and their call rates are significantly sometimes they would get two phone calls within a day. So a lot of their work is outbound phone calls. Because they didn't because they didn't resource men's line, lots of people weren't getting phone calls for you know eight, ten months.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:35

So when you say you refer off from the police, did you say two thousand uh two and a half thousand. So that means that how well just explain that. So police have referred uh mail for help to you to the men's line. For either as an aggrieved or a perpetrator. So they what what they're asking is can you get in contact with this male? And and it it rarely happens.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

Yeah, like they don't call it. Like they will they not quick, they don't have enough staff. The men's line try, but they don't have enough staff to meet the requirements.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:06

Uh someone says, so it's modeled off the Cheswick's woman's aid after Sandra Hawley pushed out Erin Przee, who made a place for men also. Once Sandra Hawley had it, she made it FEMA only, so it became a cash cow for government funding. Same rule about kids over 12. Now that was in the 80s from memory. Man, I wish you were able to interview people from the Victorian organization. Um, this is probably why Victorian Legal Aid made it a condition for the grant that I remove my child from the AFP watch list. I said no, and all three refusals, one being independently reviewed, were identically the same. So the Bondo shooter can get a private lawyer with a legal aid grant, but a father who's been falsely accused and not seeing their children since 2022 can't. So broken fathers are worse than homegrown terrorists. That's a fair statement. How can you be judged to be guilty of committing domestic violence and then judge likely to commit DV again in an ex parte hearing? Um DV Connect should be investigated because of their conduct. Uh that's the question for TikTok. What um you mentioned talking offline, there's a um sign when you walk in the building that says not one more deaf.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:33

It just says not one more.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

I so I suppose that says it inside the building, not because if you had out you've got to identify the building. Not one more, but you're saying that the the staff there laugh about it or something?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:44

Yeah, one staff member in particular would laugh at it quite frequently and said, like, well I need to work, I need money, so there needs to be more. So there needs to be more deaths. And and and the thing is when there's a public death or something really public about DV on the news, the call rates will skyrocket and they don't increase staff or anything like that. And so people are like, okay, we're getting heaps of numbers. You know, like numbers are good.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:08

Let me just pull up the DV Connect website again. DV Connect, be heard, be safe. Web chat is currently closed. What's today?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:24

I don't and that web chat feature must be new because it wasn't um yeah, it wasn't around in my time.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:30

So DV Connect, when you hit the subtitle, it says DV Connect Women's Line. What to expect when you call Dv Connect Women's Line? Why is what is domestic violence supporting someone you know, LGBTQ plus support about women's shelters, other services, and survivor stories. So, what to expect? Um, when you contact DV Connect Women's Line, a team member will answer your call. This usually happens within a few minutes. The first person you speak to will ask you a few questions about your situation, including whether you are safe right now. You will then be transferred to another team member depending on your unique situation, and a few things might happen. If you're in crisis and seek an immediate pathway to safety, you'll speak to a specialist crisis counsellor. They will ask you more questions and complete an intake process. If necessary, they will provide you with emergency transport to safety and emergency accommodation. Depending on what you need, the counsellor may help you with transport to a safe friend, family member's home, or book you in accommodation if you have nowhere else to say. The service is free and you will not pay for transort accommodation. You will you will be able to take your children with you. We may also be able to help keep your pet safe. You will not be able to take your pet to emerge accommodation. So about women's shelters. Uh women's shelters, sometimes called safe houses of refuge, provide safe and secure accommodation and special support for women and children escaping DV. DV Connect has relationships with shelters throughout Queensland, versus families' access. It is important to know that shelters are not the only option or even the first option to keep you safe. Shelter spaces are in high demand, so our crisis counselors will ask you first if you have a family member or friend to stay with. What to expect at a shelter? Shelters vary and can be communal or provide self-contained units. Shelters provide temporary accommodation where women and children stay for a couple of weeks or a few months. There's staff with employees who help women get back on their feet and prepare for life after refuge. To maintain security and safety, the location details of shelters are confidential and not available to the public. It's a condition of entering most shelters that you understand and cannot reveal the location. Shelters do not have facilities to store large items and furniture, so it's best to pack lightly. Frequently asked questions: how long can I stay at a shelter for? Most cases as long as you need, but it will depend on you and some extent the various circumstances or facilities available at the women's shelter. What are women's shuttles like? There are different styles. Some provide self-contained family units, some with small kitchen, bathroom, and bedrooms. Off others offer more of a communal style house where you have your own room to yourself. How do I arrange accommodation? What can I take with me? Can I get legal aid stuff? Um so then I go, and there's a few other topics there. DV men's um what to expect from us?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:35

Nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:36

Nothing. Yeah, it's a short page you. Um at first, you will hear a pre-recorded message. So you don't get someone straight away like you will.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:47

It's like the whole thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:50

Uh and then a council will answer your call. Sometimes you may have to wait a short time for the next available crisis counselor. The council will ask you for your reason for calling, have a conversation with you, focus on on your family's safety depending on your reason for calling. You may be you may be given a few different options depending on your needs, including crisis counseling over the phone, information, or general advice. Nothing in here about shelters. Um there's no topic here, what to expect out of shelters. Sexual assault. Um I might just clear that one. Pharyngic sort line. Um someone's left a uh review here. Thank you, DV Connect, for saving my mum's life and mine. You guys getting us out there, change everything. Thank you so much. Life is good now. I wonder if that's AI. Yeah, that definitely looks AI generally, definitely pulling on the heartstrings there, because uh someone's saying that then.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:57

And and um talking about the culture if you want me to just kind of do that. Yeah, you might talk about anything and everything. So um there's so the man hating culture. Um, so to be a counselor, you need a uni degree. Um, that's a funding requirement. But there's another role in there that's a support worker that does more admin stuff. Um, so they get paid less, they do um they don't do counselling or anything like that. There's a person that works that that has no qualifications whatsoever in the admin role. But she has had many, many sexual relationships with a lot of people in there. Oh and in individually. Yep, yep. Yep. Same sex? Yep, same sex. And um what she does is she when a new manager comes in play, she will befriend them. And um, yeah, so I've seen this firsthand. And um, she got a promotion a little while ago with no qualifications, and I've noticed that she's very, very close with one of the highest managers there.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:00

God bless her, cotton socks.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

So there's it just it is a competition in terms of who you know there and how you can weasel your way around.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:08

That's such a shitworking environment. Like, I've I've worked in gigs like in Nahru, um, and like everyone's just you know trying to suck off the brass to try and get that promotion, and it's just like, man, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

Just uh And it's dangerous when this person has no skills or qualifications to do the job, but she can do drugs with her boss and probably sell them for cheaper to her to get a higher paying job. Like it's not it's not fair the way that they give people promotions, it's it's all about popularity.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:38

Yeah. Um what's some other juicy stuff that we might have missed?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:43

So um there was a high-up um a deputy CEO there for a while. Female male? Female. Her name is Kelly Ann. Kelly Ann. She after Beck? She was around the same time. She was a deputy.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:56

Okay, so below Beck.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

Yeah. And so she had a um so coercive control, right? That's a hot topic. Hot topic. And so she was a really big advocate of making it illegal, you know, chart people on them. So if we look at coercive control.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:12

She was doing it, that's what you're gonna tell me?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Yes. In the most foul way. Um so if you look at coercive control, it's hard to prove. So um, they talk about emotional abuse being one of them. Cheating is is a form of emotional abuse in the DV lens. That's how they would classify it. So, like anybody who's ever cheated, you go to jail for coercive control. Make that make sense. Anyways, so when she was doing advocating to make coercive control illegal, she teamed up. I'm gonna say his name was Ben, I don't remember. He was um, he was the CEO of a, I'm gonna say white ribbon, possibly. They were very, very close. They're working on this um case. He has a wife and and children with disabilities. But they had a lot of late-night conferences and um at the DV Connect building during COVID. So that that came out that they were having an affair, but they're both really big advocates for making coercive control illegal. So that's that.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:15

What came of that, do you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:17

She she left um Australia, that's all I thought. Oh wow. She resigned. Yeah, she she had um she had some family things to deal with overseas. And did you hear any more about him? No, I didn't, I don't know his story too well because he didn't work for DV Connect. Yeah. But that happened at the office. The old late night pressure.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:39

Yeah, because of 24 7. Oh yeah, of course. Um all right. I think I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Um can you? Did we speak anything else offline? Oh so in the oh actually. I was gonna say in the end you left, but I don't if I asked you why, kind of identifying you really.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

So but yeah, I left because um I I'm happy that if you're happy. Yeah, I left because I had a feeling that all of the dodgy things that were happening were going to come up, and I had advocated there was a paper trial of my advocacy, and I took all of that with me when I left um because I didn't want to be driving to it. Good on you. Well done. So that's um and it was hard because I was um completely shunned after that. And these were people that I'd worked with for years, and there were people I did really like. And other times they just turned their back. Yeah, well, I was useful for them because I was um passionate and loud, and I would say, you know, I was interesting, and um they could give me information and know that I would do something with it. Not that something would be done, but they could, you know, I guess feel less guilty if they pass it on to me to do something about. Yeah. So my hands were always dirty, I was always in trouble. Like I wasn't um well liked there.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:03

Um Well got some conclusion questions, but they're normally family court focus, but um how about if you were if you could change the DV connect line system one, how would you go about it? And um yeah, two, what what would you change?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:24

So um support for everybody. Like that that's not not for people who support for people who are actually victims of violence and using the word people, not gendered, getting rid of their gendered language, it it's not it's not fair. And um, yeah, I I guess actually having more accountability for perpetrators of violence so people don't have to leave their homes.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:47

That's change change the training manuals as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:51

Yes, no, definitely. Like just to change change the culture to it being people are experiencing violence, and how can we help them rather than women experience violence?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:02

Um, I've got a funny question in my conclusion questions. I always ask my guests. It's um just pretend you're in prison, you're on death row, and the guard comes and asks you what you want for your final meal, drink and dessert. So pick a hot meal, what are you gonna wash it down with, and what's your sweet tooth?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:18

Um anything seafood related would be. Well, that's an issue, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:23

Well, that's what everyone says, but I don't think I'd eat it anyway. I'll look at it. No, it's the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

Any anything safe food. Um any like I'd have like a um pina colada, and I don't eat sweets.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:36

What? So many all my guests coming on. I'd d I don't have a sweet tooth. No, well, you have the dessert, I'll have the safe food. So there's not there's not one sort of bit of s you're on death row. A chocky milk.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:48

That's it. Yeah, I'll have a chocky milk.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:50

Like a breaker chocky milk. Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:53

And a carton, not in a bottle.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:54

I would probably choose two desserts over hot meal if I was on death row.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:58

Well then, yeah, then give me the safe room.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:03

Well, um before we wrap up, I just want to make sure have we have I missed anything? I don't know. This is my biggest concern. Oh look, yeah, we'll finish and go, should I ask this, should I ask that. But sometimes like it's probably good that's this episode doing it, because you know, family court, people tell the joke it there's not enough hours in the day. And I think you know, some episodes I've done goes for like an hour day, and people are like, oh, that was good because it was just sort of bang in there out, you know. Um but if I can't, if you can't think of anything else, um I might just wrap it up there. Yeah, but on behalf of the Broken Fathers podcast, I'd like to thank you for taking time out of your day. I know we had we had to change some dates there, but I appreciate you coming on. I I know my guests and followers will appreciate it more. Um and yeah, give thanks for giving us that juicy goss and insight of what really goes on behind the doors of D V Connect. And um I wish you nothing but the best moving forward. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:02

Thank you.