124. How California’s Scenic Beauty Fuels This Therapist’s Unique Practice with Christine Kay Wong

In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, I have a delightful chat with Christine Wong, a licensed marriage and family therapist based in Los Angeles. Christine opens up about her journey from being a traditional therapist to becoming a traveling therapist within the diverse landscapes of California. We dive into her passion for exploring California’s scenic gems, her innovative approach to integrating travel with her private practice, and her fascinating dissertation work focused on self-care for Chinese Americans. Join us as we explore how Christine balances her professional responsibilities with her love for travel, and the unique ways she enriches her practice through her experiences.

Key Points:

• Hybrid Therapy Practice: Christine shares her approach to maintaining a hybrid therapy practice, offering both telehealth and in-person sessions, and how she incorporates travel into her work routine without compromising on client care.

• Walk-and-Talk Therapy: We delve into the concept of walk-and-talk therapy, where Christine meets clients in serene, secluded parks, combining the therapeutic process with the benefits of being outdoors. She discusses how this method can provide a refreshing alternative to the traditional office setting.

• Dissertation on Self-Care: Christine provides insights into her dissertation, which examines self-care practices among Chinese Americans. She highlights the cultural nuances and historical contexts that shape these practices and the importance of addressing these unique challenges within the community.

About Christine Kay Wong: 

After a decade in the real estate industry representing homeowners in the San Gabriel Valley and Greater Los Angeles, Christine Kay Wong shifted gears to align her career with her core values. She took a leap of faith to pursue a degree in Clinical Psychology at Pepperdine University, and is now a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Strategic Coach. Christine is dedicated to helping individuals and families embrace self-care and wellness, addressing challenges such as childhood traumas, grief, cultural stressors, and corporate burnout.

As the dedicated owner of Momentum Mindfulness Family Counseling, Christine passionately guides her clients toward empowerment and healing. She is currently immersed in her dissertation on self-care in generational trauma. Outside of her professional pursuits, Christine enjoys long walks, audiobooks, and progressive house music. She also loves tennis, ping pong, and exploring the California coast, finding joy and inspiration in hearing stories of vulnerability and resilience. Additionally, Christine delights in diverse dining experiences in the San Gabriel Valley, enriching her appreciation for various cuisines.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Learning different ways to have self-care, have a lot of grace and compassion for yourself, and not allow that to be tied to performance, but you know, allowing that, you know, that grace within yourself, that self-acceptance and understanding that our values are our values. Our values is not just an A plus. Our values are more than that. Our values come down to what our relationship with ourselves looks like, what our self-esteem looks like, and and how we how we can build that up.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Hi, I'm Kim Tolson and I'm the traveling therapist. It's my passion to teach therapists how to navigate online private practices and multiple income streams so they can travel the world. I'm a digital nomad with a virtual insurance-based private therapy practice and a multi-six-figure coaching business. I'm obsessed with entrepreneurship and developing tools that can help therapists live an adventurous lifestyle. In this podcast, I will discuss my journey as a digital nomad. I'll chat with other traveling therapists and help you navigate the complexities of running an online insurance-based practice. I'm so glad to have you with me on this journey. Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Traveling Therapist Podcast. I'm really excited today to have Christine Wong here with me. You guys know I just love sharing all these different stories, and Christine's got a really interesting story. So, Christine, I'd love for you to tell everybody how you went from just being like a typical therapist to a traveling therapist.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

I love going to just random towns in California, especially the Central Coast. I'm primarily in LA and I and I love being in the city and I love being in the San Gabriel Valley and loving my Chinese cuisines. But I think ultimately I love being in California and being in, you know, anywhere from the desert to the oceanside and just being in that culture of like, you know, slowing down and then really fast paced all together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

I love it. I mean, California is amazing for that because you can get the the best of like three worlds, really desert, mountains, ocean, you know. I I could spend like probably years in California just going to all the different places because it's so beautiful. And I I actually love that story because a lot of times, you know, people will write me and they'll say, God, I can't, I could never become a traveling therapist. And I always try to like emphasize it, it's different for everybody. Like, you don't have to be a full-on digital nomad like me that lives in Airbnbs and just you know all over the world. You could totally just travel California or your state that you're in. You could be like just a local aficionado of you know, towns around where you live, you know, and that's still a traveling therapist, you know. So I I just actually love that you're sharing that today.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Here's the thing I'm I'm living vicariously through you, Kim. I love I love the life that you live. I love that you're kind of you know incorporating all this variety in your life. I think that's a beautiful thing, and it kind of stretches our mind and stretches our ability to, you know, really understand ourselves in different environments. So I think I live through, you know, watching you through like podcasts and also and all the all the reels that you get to make and and I love that. Oh my gosh, yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

I love hearing that. Do you know how much I hate making those reels? I mean, it's like it's fun, but it's also like, you know, it's really awkward like putting your life on social media, you know, it's it's a whole other like thing, but but thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. So could you tell us like a little bit about your practice and how you structure, you know, traveling to different places in California? Do you work when you're when you're traveling to different places? Like how does that work for you and your life?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

I think primarily right now I I have more of an online private practice. I do do hybrid. I see a few clients in person. And for the most part, I think telehealth has been phenomenal in a sense where not a lot of people like to drive in LA. And so if they're in the comfort of their homes having a telehealth session, that seems to work just as good. And I enjoy just being, you know, meeting different people, being in different towns and just being part of the environment and feeling the presence of what it's like to have a clam chatter in Cambria and looking at the ocean and being, you know, in Indian wells and watching tennis and having amazing, you know, this the whole camaraderie of fanatics of tennis, right? And being in that space.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

Oh awesome.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

And you know, I think I always think about my private practice. I think about my clients, I think about how I can improve the private practice, make sure that I incorporate new you know features to the practice. I think one new thing that I was able to, you know, incorporate is like a walk and talk therapy, which I was sad was about to start. But there's a few clients that do really like it. And I like to kind of you know provide that for them, especially if the ones that live closer to me. And they they seem to enjoy that walking and talking and and being in that space of what it's like to get two things right, like be outdoors, but also be in a in a in a confidential space of let's talk about real life things are that are you know they're struggling with right now.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Yeah. Oh, I love that so much. Do you just like meet them in random places or do you start at the office and and go from the office and then come back to the office? I'm always I I love the topic of walk and talk because it it really is kind of controversial on Facebook. People be like, you can't do that, find confidentiality, all that. And I'm with you, I'm like, let's go for a walk. Like that's so much better than sitting in a stuffy office somewhere, in my opinion, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

There's local parks that are really secluded, which is nice. And ultimately just getting on the same page, right, with the consent forms and making sure that hey, if someone randomly says hi to us, right? What are we gonna do in that moment? Right. And I always make it a funny joke. And I said, you know, please, I'm gonna go at your pace. So don't don't start running a marathon, you know, because that's gonna be hard for me to get, you know, that's so funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Yeah, oh, that's great. Yeah, and just for anybody listening, I get this question all the time, like in the insurance billing side of things that I do like how do you bill insurance for walk and talk? So it just total side note. If if you're leaving from the office and coming back to the office, you can build location code 11. And if you're doing it just somewhere randomly, you can build location code 99 on your claim form, just like total side note.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Love it. We all need it.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yeah, because I get that question a lot. Like, how do I build for this? But I love that, I really do. So, you know, I'm curious how you talk to your clients about, you know, I've got especially people with hybrid practices, because like when I first went all telehealth, my clients were not on board with it. And then, you know, I tried to do a little hybrid thing in the beginning, but I was getting a lot of pushback because they knew if they knew they could see me in the office, they would like wait until I was going to be in the office, you know, and eventually I had to like pull the plug and say, I'm not gonna have an office anymore. But I'm just curious, like, how does that work? Do you have clients that will only do in office? Are they like on board with the fact that you might be in Cambria or somewhere and then they'll just you know convert over to the high to the telehealth instead? I just wonder how you manage that or what you have found with clients because I get that question a lot too. It's like my clients don't want to be on video with me, you know. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that or how you've navigated that.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

I think I've gotten really lucky. I think majority of my clients like telehealth, and the ones that do like the hybrid, they are okay with you know seeing me once a month or twice a month, and because they don't themselves don't want to drive and they might have this conflicted overpacked schedule of raising children and having to do the picks pickups and drop-offs, and it seems to work out. I don't know what the future will hold. I might completely transition, but it's it's one of those things where I like to kind of keep things open so that they can make the choice themselves and see what fits best for them.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yeah. So do you ever worry like, okay, like I really want to go for three weeks down to Palm Springs and you know, but I know I see this client in office every two weeks. Like, do you ever worry about that? Or are you just like, hey, this is me, this is how I do it, and you know, either see me or don't see me, like that kind of thing?

SPEAKER_01 8:28

I think the thing, the difference of it all is that when I do take these trips, I I tend to like the three-day trips a lot. Oh, that I really miss home and be I go home right away, right? And and I I it typically works out where it's a three-day trip, whether it's like a Saturday, Sunday, Monday, or a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, just something where the week is still available for sessions. And I try to make it so that it's available for my clients, and I think that's important for them, especially different levels and different needs. And I think over time that might change. I might take a more nomadic approach and be like, hey, I'm in Iceland right now. I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:11

And I'm gonna be there for like a month, so make it work, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah, and I think you know, when I when I cross that bridge, I'm happy to, you know, be I think being upfront about it is important. I want to just always, you know, be on the same page with my clients and let them know that it's it's maybe a personal self-care month for myself or whatever that needs to be and seeing engaging with them and seeing how that would be accepted for the for them in their in their stage right now. And if it means like you know, having another therapist on deck to see if that could be like the buffer in between.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, just like have somebody else see them if they need need somebody. That's awesome. Yeah. So when you take the three-day weekends, do you ever see clients or is it like do you do you just like block Friday, Saturday, Sunday off always? Like, how do you make that work? You're like, no, I don't see clients. I block in so that I can really enjoy my myself.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Like me, it's like, well, let me just fit in two people in the morning. Yeah. By the time I get there on the first day, it's really you're adjusting, right? And so that's yeah, second day, it's really when you're you get to live it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Yes. Yeah, no, I I love that. Yeah. I mean, I feel like if I was traveling just like three days, I would totally not see clients for that time. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah. So do you ever go out of the state or is it more just staying kind of local so you can just do these these quick weekends and then come right back? Is that pretty much how you manage it?

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Yeah, that's that's been this past year a lot, especially just having the private practice, you know, in the past, of course, you know, going to different countries and and seeing the sites as a I've just kind of done this like central coast, and it's it's really made me feel like more appreciative of the state that I live in and and just seeing the new things that I've probably never even, you know, thought of, thought to go, you know, and and experience that in its full form. And I think that will continue to be the case for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah, I love that. So it when you say you kind of miss home a lot, is it like kids and a a partner and all that, or is it, you know, just you dislike your home a lot and you want to get back to it?

SPEAKER_01 11:24

I think I just I have a this deep uh deep appreciation for this town that I live in and and just being part of the culture. And I and I, you know, I always joke with my friends, like, you know, if I if I drive a little bit too far, I'm always dreaming and thinking about dumplings, and dumplings are like you know, kind of Chinese culture and all these things, and then and I'm just like, where's the local boba shop? You know, and just have that, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

I love that. So really your your hometown is your heart, but anyway, so it it's it's good for you to come back to it. Me, my hometown, I'm like, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Yeah, it's you know, I don't really have any go ahead. What'd you say? Sorry, it just helps me to be grounded, to be in this that I'm in, and and to feel like I can call a friend and and see go to the local park that I like to walk in and just be in this like state of like I'm grounded versus I'm I'm worried about navigating different areas and different, you know, directions, and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. One of the other episodes we had on here was about like vicarious trauma and how you know, just even traveling constantly like I do really disrupts the nervous system and you know can definitely make me feel really discombobulated sometimes, you know. And recently I even said to my boyfriend, I was like, I just need to stop for a little bit, I need to like settle down and just like get like, like you said, grounded again, just like kind of like reestablish like some consistency for a bit because I can tell my my nervous system is a little out of whack, just like trying to get places, dealing with a new Airbnb each time, and each each one has a different issue that's wrong with it, you know, just learning a new place, all of that is in a new city. So I totally get that. It makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. Al is a comprehensive HIPAA compliance solution that helps you manage your practice. Meet with your clients virtually through video therapy, manage client appointments and client records seamlessly, streamline your claims process, and communicate with clients securely through Al's client portal. Visit Alpractice.com slash Kim Tolson for an offer of 50% off your first six months.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

I mean, I think even like I know that you follow the thriving therapist group and and they're doing the Costa Rica retreats. And I'm I'm fascinated by that because I'm like, I would love to be part of something like that and really learn from amazing, you know, therapists all over the country and just see how they do their practice and how they incorporate travel and and trainings and different things like that. So I love that you the computer that you're in. I always feel that you know anything that Kim's involved in, it's always pushing the box, pushing the level. Oh, thank you. This is incredible.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

Thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, if anybody listening doesn't know what we're talking about, Megan Gunnell, one of my dearest best friends, she does uh conferences and retreats. She's got one coming up in Costa Rica this coming February, and it's gonna be, I think they've got like 10 speakers, CEs for each one. It's at El Mangrove Resort, El Man Grove Resort, I always say that wrong, right on the ocean there. It is gorgeous, but you learn so much, and then like you're saying, you get to really like interact and make tons of friends. Like a lot of us travel to each of these events together because you know, we made bonds in other places together like that. It's so fun. I love it. And you know, being flexible as a traveling therapist, I could just go stay there for a couple of weeks, you know. It's amazing, yeah. Well, I I want to um just talk a little bit too about something else that you're doing, which I think is really cool. So you're you're doing these trips, you're managing a hybrid practice, but you're also working on your dissertation, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:16

In the last phases of my dissertation.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

Oh my gosh, can we talk about that? Like the time, like like I would I don't know anything about like PhDs and dissertations, but when I hear people say it, I'm like, oh my gosh, I just don't even know. It feels like it must be so so involved and just amazing for you to be going through this process. I'd love to talk about it, especially your topic, which I think is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Yeah, it's so I meet with my dissertation chair probably every other week, and we're final stages. And the the topic is essentially self-care, especially for the Chinese American communities. So, what I'll do in this research is kind of under get an understanding of what it's like to be a Chinese immigrant, what it's like to kind of deal with filial piety, of kind of always respecting your elders, right? And and kind of understanding how the Chinese immigrational journey coming into the US, you know, in the in the late 1800s to build a railroad and the transcontinental railroad and understanding what that sacrifice looked like and to see that theme in today where there's a lot of corporate burnout, right? And there's a lot of despair and not understanding emotions and and maybe omitting emotions because we weren't taught emotions when we were younger. Yes, from a you know, American-born Chinese perspective, and how to kind of bridge that gap of learning different ways to have self-care, have a lot of grace and compassion for yourself, and not allow that to be tied to performance, but be allowed, you know, allowing that you know that grace within yourself, that self-acceptance and understanding that our values are our values. Our values is not just an A plus. Our values are more than that. Our values come down to what our relationship with ourselves looks like, what our self-esteem looks like, and and how we how we can build that up simultaneously.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Yeah. So important. Oh my gosh. Do you have some preliminary findings or are you are you just like in the initial research stage and all of that? I'd I'd love to hear what you find from all of this.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah, it's an ongoing process. I'm still looking through a lot of the research and trying to bridge a lot of gaps and also recognize, you know, just these common themes. I think so much of the culture has, you know, through the research has been about this notion of respecting our elders. And and at times when we do that, we find that in our in our the immigrational journey, there's been a lot of things that have kind of gone underneath the rug and just threshed underneath the rug. And and it's hard to know exactly what happened and where where our ancestors you know came from because so much of that record is gone and and so little was spoken of it. And it's been hard to just to look for some research, especially with the Chinese American community. And I think that contributes to the theme of you know, when when things are hard and things are tragic and even shameful, it's hard to talk about them. And I think that goes hand in hand with this focus of grief and trauma and how because it's just so traumatic and because there's just so much grief, it's best we don't talk about it, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

There's been so many findings of you know, people looking in their history and and saying, you know, I didn't know I had a brother, or I didn't know I had, you know, so and so was actually my uncle, you know, and yeah, wow journey of of how so much needed to be protected and just so that they can try their best for the American dream. And and also just like the uncovering of so many people that did die, building the railroads that so many people died from that project, and and so little was uncovered in a sense where you know, who was my father in this, or where was my grandfather and whatever happened to them when they finally came to the US and came to California, and and how did they come, how did they go from San Francisco to Los Angeles and and just all that journeying, and and I think that sometimes gets lost.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Absolutely. Yeah, I remember learning about it myself when I was a kid and just the tragedy surrounding all of it. It just uh uh blew my mind then and still continues to blow my mind. And I'm so glad you're doing research around it. I'm sure it's gonna be super meaningful and helpful.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

I take a lot of breaks in the research because I think it it definitely tugs at my heartstrings every so often.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

But oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

I am with it. I try to not get too performance about it, and you know, the pages will come along as they come along.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Just doing it on your own time, taking care of yourself along the way. Obviously, you're researching on self-care, so doing it slow and at your own pace and and and allowing yourself the grace to to process what you're even researching is amazing to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

When you meet with your dissertation chair, are are do you do that remotely? So is that something like a traveling therapist could probably be doing remotely if they wanted to?

unknown 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

So I uh she's based in Colorado, and so we're always talking my reader and editor is also in Denver, Colorado. And so it's just this like Zoom world, right? Where we get to kind of have these breakout sessions and talk about things and and go deep on how do we fill the gaps to the research and how do we kind of look for that specific keyword so that we can uncover more more you know studies and articles and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah. So everybody listening, you could still pursue something like this, even if you're a traveling therapist. So do you have to go eventually? I mean, I don't know anything about the process, but I have heard that eventually you have to go like present it to a board of people. So I would imagine you have to like fly in for that and do that in front of everybody. I'm guessing. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

On the lines like a capstone and also the oral defense and just making sure that they just really need to know and grill you to see if you really read all those research articles so that you know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Gosh, that is amazing. I admire that so much. Yeah, on top of everything you're already doing, like writing a practice and trying to travel and do all of that too. It's really cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

It's it's I think it's sometimes it can feel very, you know, very dry the whole process. But I think as long as we stick to the value system internally, it's gonna help us with how do we go forward and keep going. Cause there's been many times when I paused and I said, you know, I don't know if I can do this. I don't know if this was worth my time. know, because it's been like a four or five year journey. But I think the reality of it is I think about the contribution because I know that this could benefit a lot of people just to have that awareness of what it looks like and identify these themes that we don't talk about it so much in our community and we need to.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Yeah. Yes. Oh, I love that. Thanks so much for sharing about it. And I'm sure if there's anybody listening that wants to connect or learn more about it, would it be okay if they reached out to you and connected? Okay. That's great. So how do people find you if they want to connect with you?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

You can find me through my Instagram. It's my my full name Christine K Wong. And you can certainly reach out and DM and we can start the conversation there.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

I love that. Thank you. Yeah that's great. So is there anything else we didn't talk about that you think would be helpful to anybody listening? I personally would love to know what is your favorite place in California to visit because you know I'll probably be back there eventually. So I just love to hear like tips and and you know places that people love.

SPEAKER_01 23:04

Well my two favorite places at this time is probably Cambria which is like the coastal town next to Napa. And it's it's super calm and super relaxing very just you you see the beautiful ocean and there's amazing wine and seafood and and just being in that space of like meeting other people that are also just in the relaxation mode.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah. Oh I love that. Oh I've been to Napa just briefly but I've always thought I would love to come back to that area and spend some time there.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

There's an incredible restaurant out there it's called Lynn's and they make their fresh pies and fresh jams and they're famous for their I think it's called Olyberry jam which is amazing. It's like the first the first time I ever had it it was like most delicious thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

What's an oliberry? I don't know like a blackberry and a blueberry mix but it's really I love that oh my gosh yum yeah I love I I love California so beautiful and I went to Carmel by the sea one time and I just love that area so much. I've never gotten to go back we were gonna go but then it was like we were trying to book an Airbnb at the last minute it was like the prices were astronomical so we didn't go but I love that little town I you know I was there for I think 24 hours one time and I was always like I want to come back here and spend time in this area just that like coastal area over there is so pretty.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Yeah it's just it's a different vibe compared to I feel like Southern California and how busy it can be. Whereas that central coast is just it's on another frequency. It's so nice.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Oh I love that you're making me want to go like right now yeah I'll see you there in March. Okay I'm gonna have to remember that yeah no that that's awesome. Who knows where we'll even be in March you know it's like you just don't even know where the where my life is going to take me. We're in Williamsburg Virginia right now my dad and stepmother had like a health thing and we're here like trying to figure out what to do with them like assisted living or you know what. So we're just all like taking shifts sleeping here and just making sure they're okay. So that that's been interesting. But I'm also grateful to be able to just be here you know be able to like arrange my schedule to be here and and help them out with this. So yeah you just never know where life's gonna take you.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Yeah and that's what we gotta we got to enjoy every moment of it.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Exactly yeah exactly well Christine thank you so much for being a guest I I hope you'll come back when the dissertation's done and tell us all your findings I certainly will Chinese Americans need this you know they need they need this research so I think it's super important and I'm glad you're doing it.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Yeah thank you Kim I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

You're welcome yeah well thanks so much and you guys reach out to Christine if you have questions about her research or tips for California I guess where she's staying follow her on Instagram i if I'm not already I think I already am but I've got to make sure I am after I get off of here but yeah yeah yes thank you so much thank you appreciate it thank you so much for listening to the Traveling Therapist Podcast for show notes links and downloads head over to traveling therapist.com where you'll be able to learn more about my journey the courses I've created for you and other exciting resources to make your dreams become a reality if you've enjoyed this episode please share with your traveling therapist friends subscribe to the podcast and if you love this episode please leave a review in the dry states of the Southwest there's a group that's been denied a basic human right.

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