Season 1 Episode 1: The Realities of Recruiting with Coach John Osborne III

Welcome to "How Tall Will They Be?" We're talking about youth sports, recruiting, and more. Every guest on this show is talking about what they know, not what they've heard.

In the first episode, Aaron Galloway interviews John Osborne III (@speedthrills247), Assistant Track and field / Cross Country coach at Pfeiffer University, about his role as a recruiter/coach today, his journey through youth sports, high school athletics, and the recruitment process leading to his college career. John shares his early memories of sports, the influence of his parents, and the challenges he faced transitioning from football to track at the collegiate level. He reflects on his experiences at UNC Charlotte, the importance of perseverance in athletics, and his eventual shift towards a professional career after college. 

Coach John discusses his transition from being a competitive athlete to coaching youth sports, particularly track and field. He shares insights on finding purpose in coaching, the growth of his team, the importance of parental involvement, and his recent move to college coaching. He emphasizes the significance of developing young athletes holistically and offers advice for both young athletes and their parents.

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Transcript

Aaron Galloway (00:01.757)
Welcome to How Tall Will They Be? This is the greatest show in the world. And is there anything to justify that? No, but you can't check me. So we answer the questions or don't even try to answer the questions of the title of the show because we don't know how tall they're going to be. But this show is about youth sports, recruiting, athletics. It's really for the people who are in the car on the way to some obscure gym, field, competition on a Friday that's not going to end until a Sunday.

But we want to talk to people who are talking from what they know, not what they heard. So today's guest extraordinaire is John Osborne III. He is the assistant track and field coach at Pfeiffer University. He is also the assistant cross country coach at Pfeiffer University. In addition to being a coach, he is also was a sprinter at UNC Charlotte, played football at Fayetteville State, was a receiver.

and sprinter at Victory Christian School and just an all-around amazing athlete. John, how you doing today?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (01:07.35)
And we're doing all right. We enjoying the day. We fresh off the track. And excited to sit here and have a good conversation with you.

Aaron Galloway (01:15.713)
Absolutely, absolutely. So John, as I mentioned in the intro, this show is about giving people real life advice. But before we get into that advice, before we get into those stories, we want to get into who you are and your history as an athlete and how you got to where you are today. So what is your earliest memory of sports or as an athlete? What's your earliest athletic memory?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (01:39.304)
the earliest probably T ball and I had to be maybe I do remember T ball, right? I don't I don't remember the team name, but I know our jersey was red and white and that was about all I can remember from there. But yeah, I mean, I guess your memories would be just hitting the ball to T running and then your parents fussing you out because you're not running to the you know to the correct base. So you just want to hit it and run and play around.

Aaron Galloway (01:43.559)
You remember T-ball? Okay, tell us about T-ball.

Aaron Galloway (01:54.473)
Okay?

Aaron Galloway (02:01.401)
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Aaron Galloway (02:05.29)
Got you.

So what's your earliest memory of athletic success? Like when did you realize, I'm good. I like this.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (02:16.142)
Let's see, that would probably have been, I would say my seventh grade year. I played for the Southwest Eagles, which is right over there at Kennedy Middle School and the Charlotte Mecklenburg, what do call it? The CMAC League back then. The very first year we played, we went maybe like one in 10. We lost almost every game possible.

Aaron Galloway (02:21.576)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (02:30.984)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (02:37.973)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (02:38.39)
And then the following season, we figured out what we were doing and then we realized that nobody could really catch me. So we had countless touchdowns and plenty of great football games against good guys. And after that year, I kind of knew that football might be my thing.

Aaron Galloway (02:44.351)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (02:53.533)
Okay, so football was your sport growing up or you played other things, were good at other things growing up?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (03:00.206)
So initially I played like T-ball and baseball was really my first sport, my first true true love when it came to sports.

Aaron Galloway (03:07.571)
Okay. Okay. And what role did your parents play in getting you into sports, making you love sports, or making you hate sports?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (03:17.614)
Parents played a huge role. They didn't really give me much of an opportunity. Like I was not going to sit in the house. Whether I played organized sports or in the park, I was going to be doing something and I was going to be getting out of the house. So yeah, my father, he pushed me to try every different sport he could think of, whether it was baseball, basketball, I was always doing something. I never really had any downtime throughout the year.

Aaron Galloway (03:21.013)
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Aaron Galloway (03:29.236)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (03:40.285)
Okay, now did your mother and father approach it the same way or no?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (03:46.284)
No, my father was more so, you just gonna get it done. I don't care if it's good, bad or indifferent, hot, cold and raining, you gonna get it done. My mother on the opposite side, the complete opposite. I don't want my baby playing football, he might get hurt. It's too cold outside, he needs an extra coat. So both of what was needed, just to make sure that we was okay, but completely different views.

Aaron Galloway (04:09.609)
Got you. And so we've talked about the early memories. Now let's talk about high school. Let's talk about what you did there. In our research for the show, we found your highlight tape, your football highlight tape from high school. A lot of nine routes, a lot of go routes, a little bit of speed on you apparently. So, but tell us about, number one, how did you pick a high school? Did you go to a private school where you recruited? Or did you go to a public school? Tell us about high school.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (04:22.466)
Okay?

That's what happens when you're a trekker.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (04:36.162)
So high school was more so picked by my parents. I went to Victory Christian and I kind of grew up at Victory Christian. So I went to elementary school there, I went to middle school there, and I went to high school there. I didn't really have much of an option as to what high school I was gonna go to even though I tried to switch schools, tried to go to Olympic one year, and mother, she just wasn't having it. So I ended up at Victory all years, every year, no matter what.

Aaron Galloway (04:39.017)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (04:51.327)
Mm-hmm.

Aaron Galloway (05:00.019)
And what did you play at victory?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (05:02.306)
So victory, I started off playing baseball. I played baseball my ninth, tenth, and 11th grade years. And played JV basketball. I don't think I ever really, really fell in love with basketball enough to play varsity. So beginning of the year, would be football to basketball to baseball and track season. And that was how my year set up.

Aaron Galloway (05:15.679)
Mm-hmm.

Aaron Galloway (05:23.743)
So you did baseball and track at the same time.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (05:27.438)
At the same time, would play center field. And then once the hundred would come up, I would go run a hundred and then go back to the baseball field. I was like the first coming to Deion. I wouldn't say the first coming, but high school version of Deion. I just didn't know that.

Aaron Galloway (05:34.229)
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Aaron Galloway (05:39.967)
High school version of Deion. Okay, now that works, but I'm guessing that football and track were your best sports, right? So what was your most memorable high school experience highlight from that time?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (05:56.16)
That's it. So I guess I will go, you said football and track. So I guess I'll go with track first. We got a few good memories. One of them, we ran, a matter of fact, you know, your favorite school, was racing at Charlotte Latin. We was racing there and one of the guys back then, his name was Ross, I forget his last name, but his sister, she's running the Olympics now too.

Aaron Galloway (06:11.986)
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John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (06:20.739)
Ross Cockerill. So we was racing against them faithfully. Him, John Wall, and a lot of other really talented athletes that came through the league at that time of the year. Being able to compete against some of the best athletes, I would say is one of my best experiences. But also winning states and track and field was great.

Being able to come back and win the 100s and win the 200 was just an all around great feeling after you put forth a lot of effort into those seasons and being able come out with a trophy or a medal is nothing short of amazing.

Aaron Galloway (06:52.947)
Okay. And you're progressing through high school, you're doing well. Let's talk about your junior and senior year. Let's talk about recruiting. I mean, that's the general point of this show. A lot of parents say, I just want my kid to get a free education. We'll come back to that later. But let's talk about your recruiting process. How did you get recruited? How did you decide what sport or sports you were going to do? How did you decide what school you were going to go to?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (07:08.142)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (07:20.172)
So initially, when UNC Charlotte came up to me first, they were maybe the first person I spoke to. My old coach, his name was Coach Vault. He came up to me one day. think either he came to a meet or ran to him somewhere. He basically told me, like, hey, John, I think you should be running track. And UNC Charlotte, we're always going give you the opportunity to run. I said, coach, no thanks. I'm a football guy.

I'm going to get a scholarship to go play football somewhere and at the time they didn't have football to even offer. So it wasn't really like on my radar because I wanted to football no matter what. So then I ended up going through a recruiting process which was a little bit different than what it is now. We had to go out to different camps and all these different things to try to get your name out there in front of the coaches.

So you would drive around the country. I think we rode to Indiana, we rode to Missouri, we rode to Virginia Tech, we rode to a lot of different places. Me and my quarterback Josh Byrum and a couple other receivers, we would travel to these different camps and different places to try to get as much exposure as possible.

Aaron Galloway (08:27.935)
Okay, tell us about those exposure camps. What did you do? Were you a running back, were you a receiver, were you a DB? How did you figure out what was gonna be your angle?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (08:34.412)
Yes sir.

So I knew I was fast and I knew no one could really catch me. So I always just kind of gravitated towards the receiver position. Although I did play defensive back and safety, it wasn't really a love of mine. The receiver catching the ball and being able run past people is kind of what I enjoyed. I knew receiver was going to be it if I had any opportunity. I wasn't the biggest guy in the world. Right under six feet tall, right under 170 pounds, there's only a few positions you're going to be able to play at the next level.

Aaron Galloway (09:03.125)
Okay, okay. And so you go to Missouri, you're going to Indiana, you're going to all these camps. When did the office start coming in?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (09:13.614)
The offer started coming in late, super late, like February 4th was signing day and we were literally finding out this information on February 2nd, February 3rd through the guidance counselor. I think I may have even been, so I ended up signing to Fayetteville State to go play football, but we visited Fayetteville probably months before that, so I had no idea they was even truly, truly interested to that extent. So I may have been sitting in class.

Aaron Galloway (09:26.312)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (09:42.382)
believe a science class miss williams my guys comes running around the hey john got a little on the phone what you think about this my just like a day to before sunday she's like you want to save them like yes i got much about sure right now one of the football were two days before sunday and let look at the one thing and then me my running back and all i mean we all signed a paper at the same time

Aaron Galloway (09:55.445)
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Aaron Galloway (10:06.613)
Okay, so let's go back, right? Was Fayetteville the only offer that you had or no?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (10:15.402)
Fave it was the only offer that I knew about at that time. Later on down the line, we figured out that I did get offers from Ball State and Missouri to go play football. And at the time, a lot of the information that was being relayed went through the coaches.

And somehow the information was either withheld or I just didn't receive it. So I had no idea that we had those other offers at the time because then my whole life would probably be completely different. I probably would have been playing at Ball State on Missouri out there in the middle of the country.

Aaron Galloway (10:45.853)
Okay, okay. So when you went to Fayetteville, you didn't run track at all.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (10:52.716)
No, Fayetteville told me that they were in the process of getting a track team. And I thought I was going to be able to go to Fayetteville State and do both. And when I got to Fayetteville, I realized that there was no track. It was just football, which I was fine with. I enjoy football.

Aaron Galloway (11:05.941)
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John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (11:11.694)
We played football freshman year. We was able to win the CIAA championship against a couple. We had a few really, really talented guys on the team. think a few of them even had a shot at playing in the NFL. So we had a really talented team, even though people say it Division II football. They look at Division II football like we were subpar. And in reality, most of our teams, they played Division I at some point in time and just dropped down. So the drop off in talent wasn't really what I expected at a Division II program. The guys were good.

Aaron Galloway (11:40.585)
Let's talk about that for a second though. A lot of parents, and we mentioned we will come back to this, a lot of parents say, I just want to get my child a college education, right? I think at the end, that is the case, right? When the child is a senior, when the child is a post-grad, they just want the scholarship wherever it comes from. I'm of the mind that,

when people say that when a child is nine, 10, 11 years old, no, you wanna see your child on TV. You wanna see your child at the biggest stages. You wanna see your child at the UNCs if they play basketball, the Duke if they play basketball, or the SEC if they play football, the Big Ten if they play football, right? You just mentioned that that D2 level is not a huge drop off. So I guess that's two questions. Number one,

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (12:11.726)
Anyway.

Aaron Galloway (12:31.899)
Were you disappointed that it wasn't a division one offer? And number two, what would you tell the parents about the different divisions as it relates to college and specifically college football?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (12:45.686)
Yeah, I would say initially I was a little disappointed, but still given the opportunity to play football that kind of changed my viewpoint on it a little bit. I'm still going to play college football. We still got the big stadium. We still got the large fan base. We're at an HBCU. So I think it kind of turned from kind of like, I missed out to I'm glad I made it here. And I'm glad I had this opportunity at this level. And I'm glad I went to the HBCU to experience the different.

and then would have meant to go to a school like that. Cuz that was never on my radar. I always wanted to go to the Wake Forest of the world, Clemson. That was what I wanted in my heart. But Fayetteville State ended up being the best place for me at the time.

Aaron Galloway (13:26.269)
So when did that shift occur? Like when you said, I'm glad I made it here.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (13:31.81)
I would say when I got on the field and I realized football is football. We're out here, I got my helmet, we got our shoulder pads on. We're in the dog days of Fayetteville State Heat where we got turf stadium or turf fields, metal bleachers. It's 100 or so degrees outside. We're running around and we're out there, we're truly enjoying practice. And I'm like, wow, this is still what I wanted. I just didn't know.

Aaron Galloway (13:54.175)
Perfect, great. I think that's great advice or great insight to a lot of people. But you didn't finish at Fayetteville State, if I'm correct, right?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (14:04.746)
No, I didn't finish that fave of state. There's a few different reasons for that.

Aaron Galloway (14:06.451)
Okay, made you transition and where did you go after that?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (14:11.296)
So the initial thought of me transferring was not even in my head at the time. But then had one of the guys, came up to me. He came up, his exact words, was like, hey Ozzy, you're really talented, right? This may not be the best school for you right now. Because of the simple fact that, and this is one of the athletes that was talking to me, because my coach had transferred.

So my coach Maynard at the time, he transferred and went to Winston-Salem State. So at the time, I was like, you know what, maybe you're right. So, you know, really like his style of play. So I'm like, well, let me just transfer to Winston-Salem State, which is D2 to D2. But I guess I waited too long to be able to actually reach out to Coach Maynard and Winston-Salem State and say, hey, let me transfer. And they say, hey, Johnny, where are you going to sit out a year? I say, well, hey, I really don't want to sit out a year.

Like that's a long time to be out of sports. So then I called North Carolina Central and we talked to Coach Risen for a little while and I was going to transfer from Fayetteville State to go play football at North Carolina Central because in my head I'm still a football player. But then Coach Risen got fired.

Aaron Galloway (15:08.607)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (15:22.294)
So now I'm kind of like sitting back rethinking the situation. I'm like, okay, North Carolina Central, that's a whole new situation now. I don't even know that guy at all. My coach is gone. And then I remember the words that the one recruiter, Coach Vault told me at the time, like, hey, if you ever need an opportunity to come run track at Charlotte, let me know. I got on the website, he was still the coach. So hey, I reached out to him. Like, hey, you know, I know you told me this two years ago, but.

Does that still stand? Can I get a spot on the team? Like, you know, I still got my track times all the time. I'm a little bit heavier now, but you know, the ability is there. Like, you know, he said, John, like I told you before, I got a spot for you. So he opened that door up and then that's more so how I ended up at Fayetteville. I mean, I knew it John. How I ended up at Fayetteville. So it wasn't my first choice. It was really my third choice.

Aaron Galloway (16:06.671)
Fayetteville or at UNC Charlotte? Okay, at UNC Charlotte. Okay.

Aaron Galloway (16:14.771)
But talk about how relationships matter and even short interactions or short relationships in the past can impact you in the future. Because it sounds like the name is Coach Vault. So Coach Vault met you two years previous, three years previous. I'm guessing that you guys didn't chat every single day for two years. OK.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (16:22.542)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (16:26.978)
Yeah, Coach Bott.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (16:33.272)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (16:36.822)
Nah, probably never spoke to him again.

Aaron Galloway (16:39.145)
But what is the importance of always putting a good foot forward and developing a good relationship and leaving a good mark on people?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (16:46.882)
Yeah, it meant everything. Like I said, we may have had that conversation for maybe five seconds. I might call him right now and say, hey, Coach Vaughn, do you remember this? He might not even remember it. But me being 16, 17 years old, it kind of stuck with me. like, well, that's still a night school. It's still a big school. And I remembered it. It never, ever faded. I'm telling you, the conversation couldn't have been very long. But that relationship, meant everything to me at the time.

Aaron Galloway (17:13.459)
Well good. And so you get to UNC Charlotte and you're a big football player. And so then what happens next?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (17:22.19)
So now I'm on campus and I actually transferred in the middle of the year. So I played two football seasons at Fayetteville State. Once that season ended in the fall, I transferred to UNC Charlotte for the spring semester. So now I'm transferring, which is directly in the smack dab middle of track season. They've already competed in their first indoor meet and now I'm on campus. So now have to catch up. I really got to rely on my athletic abilities to try to get there.

And then what didn't tell me was that just because you're on the team does not mean that you're going to travel all the time. He didn't tell me that far.

Aaron Galloway (17:59.295)
Well, talk about that. What does that mean? Because again, this is for the athletes coming up that may not understand the inside game. So what does that mean?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (18:07.714)
So in order to travel you have to be the top such such. So say UNC Charlotte will travel with maybe four or five sprinters or however many sprinters they're traveling with. You have to be in that top group of athletes to travel to these different meets.

So come indoor season, I'm trying to get in shape. I'm doing what I can do. And now I'm realizing that once again, I might be like this situation might not be the best situation for me because these guys are so fast and I feel like now I'm heavier. I'm, far behind now. How long is it going to take me to catch up to these guys? Like when I got there, Sam Jordan was there and he's running six, six, six, seven in the 60 meter dash and I'm sitting back looking like, this is amazing. Like, am I, I know I ain't that fast. Right.

So, but to be able to make that travel team, it was tough. You had to beat out guys who had been training for not one year, but three or four years in college. And that's no easy feat because they wanted just as bad as you do. So, training, we trained, we trained. I made a couple of indoor meets, but then come the indoor conference meet that very first year, I didn't travel. They left me at conference. For the conference track meet, I got left.

Aaron Galloway (19:08.233)
Got it.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (19:22.85)
And I said, I told Carl and Father, like, man, this will never happen again. So we transitioned to outdoor, and I never missed another meet nowhere after that one. That was my one and only major meet that I missed due to not being good enough or in shape enough.

Aaron Galloway (19:39.669)
So why, I guess a simple question, why not quit, why not transfer? A lot of times today, even on the youth level, if a player gets cut, if a player doesn't start or doesn't get the position that they want, they leave, right? Where did this nobility come from? Why stay? Why not go somewhere else and be like, nah, I'm gonna run here?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (20:05.506)
Yeah, like I said, my father was a military guy. So instead of really running from stuff, we typically run into it. So if there's guys here who's better than me, that's understandable. You're not always going to be the best athlete wherever you go. But what you can do is work harder than everybody. And then whatever happens, happens in between. Like that's out of your control. I put forth the effort. If I so happen to get better than you, then boom, now I'm better than you. So I went into kind of more so with the football mentality, like...

you guys are not better than me I'm going to take your spot. This right here I'm not getting left no more I can promise you that so whatever happens happens and I'm not transferring no more. That wasn't the option. I'm at the Division 1 level we're running track I'm good I like the school I like the environment now everything else is up to me. I must get better because I was barely good enough to really be at UNC Charlotte so where else am I transferred to?

Like, I can't call the Virginia Tech coach like, let me transfer to you. And I wasn't transferring back down nowhere. Like, this is it. Like, I got to make this work.

Aaron Galloway (21:07.007)
Got it. I respect it and I hope others do too. So you're running with UNC Charlotte. What are some highlights of that time? Did you win any championships? Did you set any records? Top 10 list? Things like that.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (21:21.516)
Yeah, so UNC Charlotte, we got a chance to run at the regional track meet up at Indiana University, my very first outdoor season. We ran the four by one relay. It was me, Reggie, Darius Law, Sam Jordan. And that right there was an amazing, probably one of the better experiences, especially with that being my first experience at a large meet like that, to be able get out there and compete. I think we may have finished.

We definitely wasn't top because we didn't qualify for nationals that year. I forget the exact placement, but we still made it finish like 15th or 16th in the country, which is, hey, that's not bad for a kid who just fresh off the football field. Then that year, I believe we also followed up with the Atlanta 10 championship. So at the time, the Atlanta 10, it changes so much, but you had schools like maybe Duquesne, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, schools down that side, we was all in the same conference.

Aaron Galloway (22:02.175)
Right?

Aaron Galloway (22:20.061)
Okay, so it sounds like you just had a successful time at UNC Charlotte. And how long were you at UNC Charlotte?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (22:29.08)
So I actually ran track for four years at UNC Charlotte. One of the few times where I played two years of football and four years of track all within five years.

Aaron Galloway (22:32.297)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (22:37.641)
Got you. And what was your major at UNC Charlotte?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (22:41.838)
So funny story. Initially my major was exercise science and the way UNC Charlotte program was set up you had to pass a lot of the same requirements that the nursing school had to pass. So in order for me to get into the kinesiology program I had to get accepted and pass chemistry. So me and chemistry did not get along very well. can't even lie. That was the only class that kind of gave me trouble in college was that chemistry. So couldn't pass chemistry.

So then I ended up signing up for psychology and criminal justice. So that's what I ended up finishing my degree in.

Aaron Galloway (23:17.789)
Okay, so psychology, criminal justice, A-10 championship, a couple records at the school. So not a bad time, right?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (23:26.892)
No, we had an amazing time at UNC Charlotte.

Aaron Galloway (23:29.407)
But then what, right? So now you're done, you got your degree. Now what? Are you going to the Olympics? Are you trying to go and get in the Diamond League? What is your plan?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (23:42.51)
So when I first got to Charlotte, I always like sitting back and trying to watch. I love making decisions from everyone else's mistakes. I don't want to be the one to make the mistake. I'd rather learn from somebody else's. I was sitting down here on campus looking and learning, trying to figure out what to do after you graduate. My times are getting really, really fast. But like I said, I went to nationals.

Aaron Galloway (23:53.215)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (24:07.81)
Me seeing that next group of athletes that was coming up, that next 1 % of the athletes, they was just so far ahead of where I was at the time. like, man, there's no way I'm about to make the Olympics if these guys are not even barely making it yet. The reality was it was time to kind of focus on making some money and getting prepared for the next level of life, which wasn't necessarily me competing for track at the time. So I ended up working.

Aaron Galloway (24:33.331)
Well, want to. So was that hard? Right. Because you had been a successful athlete since T-ball. Right. And now you are looking at it and saying, my goodness. Right. The next step is just not really there for me. Was that a challenge for you to make that adjustment to working?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (24:38.51)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (24:54.966)
The first three to four months or so was fine. I'm like, okay, cool. You you see the paychecks coming through. this is nice. This is nice. But then the longer it went, I'm like, man, I used to tell Catherine, something's wrong, something's missing. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's sports. Let me go work out. Right? go. okay.

Aaron Galloway (25:12.105)
Wait, hold on, you gotta introduce the people to Catherine. The people, listen, they don't know. Who's Catherine?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (25:17.582)
So Catherine is my wife pretty much since 2009. We met at Fayetteville State, very first class. We met there, we probably started dating a few months after that. And we've kinda been rocking out ever since 2009. We got married in 2016 and we have two beautiful kids. And we're still together right now.

Aaron Galloway (25:21.278)
Okay?

Aaron Galloway (25:38.143)
Well, good for you. But all right, you're talking about work and that transition, how the first couple of months were OK, but then what happened after those first couple of months?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (25:49.506)
Like you start feeling like something's just, something's not right, something's missing. And me being a competitor that I am, was like, well maybe let me find something I can compete in. So I was trying to use work as a competition to get better and be the best version of the work I could be. But I realized that wasn't really what I was missing. didn't really, your work was work, but I was missing the competition aspect of everything. So I was just struggling as to kind of...

what to do i will i will go out i will help my father and his little league football team out sometimes and locate this the same bed but then my phone started ringing i'm like you know can you help me train i'm like you know what first i took first i told everybody no because i'm like i've been doing this forever let me let me sit back and enjoy this time but they just kept calling kept calling kept calling so i'm like you know what come on

So I went out here with like two or three kids and then I realized at that time that that was probably what I was missing. So you went from competing for myself to helping everyone else compete. So now it's actually better because now I can compete through a hundred different athletes or hiring people. I'm training. So now they're all competing. I can sit back and like, look, all right, cool. You got good training. That's, it's more rewarding to be able to give back to the community that, you know, I grew up in.

Aaron Galloway (27:03.905)
So does it, okay, so you start to fill that void by training people and what are you training them in? Track and field, football, tee ball, what are you training them in?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (27:14.136)
So I went essentially track and field first. Football was kind of there. I would help out, but it wasn't something I was real, real serious at. I could do it, but I just, I don't know, I just enjoy track a little bit more.

Aaron Galloway (27:26.207)
Okay, so you're training track and field athletes. Is it tough to embrace the fact that you cannot control their success? Meaning when you were running, you could take the baton in your hand and whatever you did was the outcome, right? You could hear the gun at the start and whatever you did after the gun started was the outcome. Was it a challenge? Now the outcome is not in your hands.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (27:44.259)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (27:54.304)
It was a challenge, but that was what I was missing. So the challenge being able to figure out how does this kid respond? Whether or not it's what I say to him, is it the workout that I give to him, is it his situation at home? Like, how does this kid respond? like my psychology background, it just makes me interested in that side. Like, let's try to figure out how to make this work. So then I started seeing myself connect. Like, okay, cool.

Aaron Galloway (27:57.045)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (28:20.236)
I got you now, so if I tell you this, then you do it like this. And then you see it translate at the track meet Like cool, I like this. And then you start seeing them become more successful. Not necessarily because of the workouts, but because of the understanding that I have for the kids. And it just, starts clicking. then year number one, take three kids, and I think all three make nationals.

Aaron Galloway (28:40.117)
So are you taking them independent or did you start an organization?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (28:45.142)
Okay well, so initially we were independent. So the very first bit of training we were independent. I think we even ran in the first couple of track meets as unattached. So you know, I was just training. I wasn't really worried about nothing. But now I'm being exposed to the new world, the new AAU world. Because I didn't run AAU, I only ran school track. So now I'm out here looking at all these cool jerseys. I'm looking at this, I'm looking at that.

Aaron Galloway (28:49.109)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (28:56.821)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (29:10.237)
You

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (29:11.63)
man, we missing out like we are missing out. Like let's come up with a name So me and Katherine we sitting out there playing around and I think even Andrews I even asked him I was training I was training Andrews kids at the time So Andrews is a guy who grew up on the south side of Charlotte we grew up on South side Charlotte But he's been on the South side Charlotte for a long time him and my father actually connected through their youth football program first And that's kind of how I met him initially

Aaron Galloway (29:14.026)
Yeah.

Aaron Galloway (29:25.011)
Again, you gotta tell the people who is Andrews.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (29:41.932)
And then from there, always cool. We just talk, laugh, figure it out. And he was the who asked me about his kid's because he personally knew and he seen me grow over the years. So he's like, hey John, no, need you. I need you. And then at hang time I told him no. He's like, John, I need you to help me. So I'm like, all right, cool. So we made it work. Hold on one second, Aaron.

Aaron Galloway (29:50.302)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (30:10.387)
Alright, so we met Andrews, trained his kids, met him through my father, and it just worked. He was really one of the reasons why I even began coaching track. He may not know it, but me training his kids got me, it helped me understand the love I had for the sport outside of me competing.

Aaron Galloway (30:29.521)
Okay, so what is the name of your team? You're not gonna tell the people you're gonna hide it from the people?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (30:34.615)
Well, you know, you got to build up anticipation, right? So we came up with the name the Carolina Blaze youth development And a lot of times people they don't understand or they don't even hear the backside of it They just hear a Carolina Blaze but the youth development part comes in play because that's really what I want the kids to do You got to develop from being a kid to being your own man So that's where the whole name came from

Aaron Galloway (30:36.457)
Hahaha!

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (30:59.182)
Carolina Blaze was on the jerseys, but if you look on all the record books and everything you see the full name Carolina Blaze Youth Development. And then, know, hopefully one of my initial things would be to build an area and build a center for the athletes as well. I haven't made it there yet, but in due time we're going to make it to where we have the Carolina Blaze Youth Development Center. And that's one of my goals that I've been trying to work towards. And that's since 2017, that's since the very beginning.

Aaron Galloway (31:22.835)
Okay.

Aaron Galloway (31:26.709)
We'll have to put a link in the bio for the podcast so that people can donate to the Carolina Blaze Youth Development Center. Tell us a little bit more about the Carolina Blaze Youth Development Team. How big are you now? Are you still at about three kids? Are you big? Are people winning? Tell us about it.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (31:33.495)
Right.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (31:46.058)
Yeah, so we started in 2017 with those three athletes. We may have finished that year with maybe four or five. They were all related. Everybody was brothers, sisters, and cousins. And that's literally where we started. And from there, I kind of liked that feel or the theme. So I always made sure that I never really advertised. I just made sure that whoever came to the team was a family-oriented person who understood that, I'm just a coach.

Aaron Galloway (31:56.152)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (32:13.76)
I'm not really trying to run a huge organization here. I just want to help your kids get better. So that very first year we were from three kids. We practiced at Olympic High School, like kind of in a cut.

But then after that realized, okay, well, we might need to get a location to actually practice at, because the following year we may have had a little bit more interest. May have doubled up from maybe three or four kids to maybe about seven or eight. Everybody's still related. So now we got people from, people like classmates and brothers and sisters, they all kind of still connected in some way or another. So we moved the team up to Victory Christian Center. And we was there for maybe two to three years, kind of getting started, trying to figure out what to do and how to help the kids.

till maybe in 2020 was COVID year. We thought about changing the name from Carolina Blaze to the Southwest Athletic Group, SWAG, because we was on the South side of Charlotte. was us and maybe five or six other teams. tried to do that, but COVID hit. So guess God had other plans. That didn't work. So then we went right back to the Carolina Blaze. We still had victory Christian with maybe 15 to 20 kids.

But then I ended up getting the job over at the new Palisades High School and that kind of like opened the doors and propelled the team to new heights. We went from 15 to 20 kids to having uppers of 50 athletes signing up. And once again, everyone is still connected. Everyone is still family oriented. So I really enjoy watching the team grow the right way. Still to this day, don't advertise. Like if somebody on the team doesn't know you, then you probably have never heard about the team outside of getting beat by them.

Aaron Galloway (33:52.789)
That's what I going to ask. mean, when you guys go to competitions, are you bringing medals home? Do you have anybody who's nationally ranked? How do you stack up?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (33:54.049)
Yeah.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (34:04.556)
Yeah, so I would say we stack up with any AAU team in the country. My first All-American was, we call it Shubie. She actually, at the nine-year-old age group, she actually won high jump for, she was number one. Like she was the most respected nine-year-old girl I've ever seen. It matter what track maybe we went to, they was like, my gosh, she's here. I know we're not gonna win. So I'm like, wow, this is getting impressive. And then her brothers, they will qualify for nationals. They will finish top 10, top 12 in the country.

And then going forward, the most recently over the last four years, we've seen tremendous growth. We got Aaron, met him, the guy who's on the podcast with us, met him. We met him in the neighborhood and he had an athlete, his son, who's also now one of the top throwers and shot putters in the nation as we speak right now. So congratulations to Aaron for giving us the opportunity to train his kids.

Aaron Galloway (34:42.608)
Ha ha.

Aaron Galloway (34:58.435)
You don't have to speak about me in a third person, man. I'm right here. Thank you, thank you.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (35:01.102)
No, congratulations, like congratulations for that. Well yeah, then we do have few more nationally ranked athletes. Maybe, I want to say we have maybe five to eight All-Americans over these last eight years. And probably, I did the numbers the other day, it was about 77 athletes who's qualified for the Junior Olympics over all the years.

Aaron Galloway (35:22.773)
Wow, that's a really good hit rate for a smaller program that's new, right? And so talk about the parental side. You're now an organizer, you're president of the organization, which means that you have to deal with all the things off the track, all the things that don't have to do with competition. You've got to deal with parents and expectations and injuries and collecting money and travel and all that stuff.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (35:27.982)
Right.

Aaron Galloway (35:52.691)
Talk about how that plays into today's society where parent expectations are impactful to youth athlete outcomes.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (36:04.078)
Right. Yeah, parent relationships, they probably matter just as much as my relationship does to the athlete. The reason why I say that is one, we do spend a lot of time with the athletes. So the parents have to, they have to kind of trust that the athlete is getting the proper training.

and just being around really good people in general because whenever you're dealing with kids in any aspect, then you are leaving some impression on them, whether that is good, bad, or indifferent. So the parents want their athletes to be impressed the most. And what was the other half of that question? I forgot.

Aaron Galloway (36:36.927)
just the impact of parent actions and expectations on youth athlete outcomes.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (36:44.302)
So some parents have unrealistic expectations and other parents are they don't understand what their athlete is. So it's kind of two different spectrums. I've had plenty of athletes come up to us and say, coach I just want to get faster.

And the parents are like, all right, coach, you got him. He's not really a track athlete. You let me know if you need something. Right. And then four or five months later, when their kid is qualifying for nationals, they're confused because they didn't really have expectations for their athlete. They just wanted him to get better. And then you got the other ones who athletes may not necessarily.

Aaron Galloway (37:17.065)
Well, before you get into the other side, have to be, I admit I fall into that category. For all of our listeners unaware, my child does run and throw with the Carolina Blaze. That's actually how I met Coach John. And I am guilty of what he just described. Our very first year, my son was doing well in the shot put in discus. And he called me one day and said, hey, your son is top 10 in the country. And I was dumbfounded. I was like, what do you mean?

What do you, does that mean that all the other kids who were really good haven't started yet or like, is he actually good? And coach John was like, no, he's good. He's really good. But what I also will give coach John credit for is he recognized that he was not a throwing coach, at least not at that time. Now things have changed. He is a all things coach now, but he wasn't a throwing coach and actually encouraged us and pointed us to somebody who has made an enormous difference. So I just wanted to.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (37:56.108)
Right?

Aaron Galloway (38:16.159)
put that in there before you go forward to the other side of parents who may be a little bit more optimistic about things.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (38:25.878)
Right, they definitely are optimistic, I would say. I've met a people.

Aaron Galloway (38:27.497)
You

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (38:30.562)
You know, obviously we do our best to train everybody, but there's been some parents where they just too overbearing to where after a practice or two, I will have a conversation with him like, hey, this may not be the team for you because you're right there. Like, do you want to coach? Like if you want to coach and really be out here, then that's different. But if you just want to kind of coach from beyond the fence and tell everything that's wrong or what you're not doing right, like that's not the type of environment that I'm trying to create. And your athlete is also not that good.

So I do my best at being honest. Like, if you tell me that your athlete is a 100 meter runner, and I'm looking at him, and I say, ma'am, sir, whoever I'm speaking to, your child might be an athlete, but the 100 may not be his best race. Like, let's figure out where he works, or he might be better at the 800, or whatever. But a lot of times parents don't want to hear that their athlete is not what they think that they are. And just because a parent ran 100 doesn't necessarily mean the kid is gonna run 100. And then sometimes they kind of...

battle with that everyone wants to run a hundred even though there's countless events you can do hundred the long jump and a lot of parents they are literally just right there right right on the athletes and it might pay off it may not but you got to be realistic with your athletes sometimes and let them know that hey you can keep doing this but this might not be your best race right

Aaron Galloway (39:46.589)
You

Got it. But you talked about payoff, right? And for a lot of parents, that payoff is the college scholarships. So let's talk about the hat and the shirt you're wearing and the place that you're at now. How did you become a coach at Pfeiffer?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (40:03.618)
So it was actually a very interesting story. I've been coaching at the Palisades High School for the last two years. And I had every intention of going back for year three, year four, year five, because we were starting to build the program. But just me out of my curiosity, year after year, I've always wanted to coach on a college level. So every year, I would just kind of reach out to everybody, reach out to groups of people, go get training, go get certificates, and learn as much information as I could possibly learn. So we're like,

I called one guy and he was like, hey, Pfeiffer is putting up a posting about their track coach. He just stepped down or he got a new job somewhere else. I think he might be a good fit for that. I'm like, well, Pfeiffer sounds kind of far. Let me Google it to see how far it is. He was like, hey, it's about an hour. I'm like, that's not terrible. I might be able to make that work. So I reached out to the coach, Coach Marchinko

And we had a good conversation. you we was on the phone. made it. Didn't even know the guy. We probably talked for 30 minutes on the phone the very first time. I'm like, you know what? This might work. Like, you know, we kind of, we kind of clicked. So then we set up an interview. Came up here. We talked on that, on the interview day for another two or three hours. Like we was just, just talking track. And I just felt my heart and heart said it clicked. But then I didn't hear nothing back for two months. So I'm like.

Like well, guess you know, a lot of times going by, let me start prepping for the high school season. So as we start prepping for the season, prepping for the season, I get a phone call. Like, all right, like hello. Like, all right, John, are you ready? Like, coach? Good to hear from you too.

But yeah, I'm ready. Like, you know, hey, when can you come up? When can you get this paperwork done and signed and have everything finished up? So it was really a three month process. And I just didn't know what the outcome would be at the end. So then the hard part was letting the high school kids know that, hey, Coach Osborne is not coming back. And after you build relationships with kids like that, it's, you know, you do become close with some kids. It's not all of them, but some kids you are closer than you are with other ones.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (42:19.758)
so I had to let them know I wasn't coming back, know, letting go over too good but I just sat down and explained to them, hey, you don't get too many opportunities to coach on a college level and now I can help you guys better. Yeah, I'm not here training you, your trainer's not gonna drop off, you got Coach North, you got a lot of good athletes or good trainers down at the Palisades. So now I can help you and I'm on the other side of the fence now. So if you're looking for recruiting and you got questions, you got this, whatever you need, I should be at least...

find the answer for you and how many high school athletes can really maybe reach out to their old coach who's now another step higher to be able to answer their questions about you know maybe fast food or any basic recruiting questions like just ask and I'll figure it out.

Aaron Galloway (43:03.145)
No, that's real. And so congratulations on making that jump. Let's talk about recruiting though. What is it actually like? Now you are the person making the calls. Now you are the person looking at the profiles. Now you are the person, you know, recommending the athletes for a scholarship. What is that like?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (43:23.426)
So I'm about what, two and a half, maybe three months into this. So I'm sure if we had this conversation again in a few more months or years, it'd probably be completely different. But I do enjoy reaching out to the athletes, but I've reached out to countless athletes right now who I still haven't heard back from. So we are Division III, we don't necessarily offer athletic scholarships.

But we do offer money. If you got good grades, got academics, you got this, offer different things. And I can't get in contact with a lot of kids to even let them know that we are trying to reach out to them.

You can call the high school coach. The high school coach may not call back. You can try to get on maybe Instagram or find another way of reach out to these kids. The kids don't check their Instagram pages or you can't message them because they got everything blocked if you're not a friend. So in the day of age of technology, you would think it'd be extremely easy to get in contact with people. And for some reason, reaching out to people outside of your general network has been a little bit more difficult for me. May not be the same for everybody, but...

For me, that's been one of my harder tasks.

Aaron Galloway (44:30.121)
Gotcha, and what are you looking for? And before I make an assumption, your assistant title is for both the men's and women's teams, correct? Both track and field and cross country? Okay, so when you're looking for a young man or young woman, what is it that you're looking for?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (44:48.428)
So number one, we're looking for character. Are you a good kid? The reason for that is because we travel, we go a lot of different places. I need to know.

Aaron Galloway (44:58.419)
Well, hold on, hold on coach. I gotta interject here. What if you're a really good kid, but you're slow? What if you're a really good kid, but you can't throw or you can't jump? No, we are talking about, but we also talked about expectations earlier. you know, there's a lot of good kids out there. So really, what are you looking for?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (45:01.89)
Uh-huh.

that I'm not looking for. Well see, I was under impression that we're talking about college track here. So you must already be.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (45:15.95)
Right. All right, so I guess let's rewind a little bit. Number one, can you do the event that you say you can do? Are you proficient in it? you, you do you have a reasonable time? Like I said, I do coach at the division three level right now. So we don't, may not necessarily get the same athletes as LSU would get. So we have to find the athletes that fits where we are and what we're doing.

So if you're 100 meter guy and you run 10.7 to 10.8, then yes, I'm calling you because I can develop you into anything. I just need you to get here. Once you get here, now the sky's the limit. If you end up running 10.1 or 10.2, then hey, my job is done. So number one, yes, can you do your job? All right. Number two, are you a good kid? Like, can I trust you?

Aaron Galloway (46:00.916)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (46:07.468)
to be on campus with us. I trust you when we go outside of campus and we're traveling to these different states? Are you going to be where you're supposed to be at? I need to be able to know that that's true. If I tell you to in a room at nine and don't leave the room, I need to know that you did it. Don't be trying to sneak out to the gas station or to the restaurant after I told you to go to sleep. And then the last one is we need GPA. Like I said, we're on D3 level right now.

So you must have grades. We need you to have grades. can wiggle it around a little bit, but we need good kids with decent grades.

Aaron Galloway (46:41.929)
Got you. So you got to be able to do your task and in track that is empirical, right? That's objective, not subjective. The numbers are out there, right? A hundred meters in New York city is the same as a hundred meters in Seattle is the same as a hundred meters in Dallas, right? You have to be a good kid, as you mentioned. So you've got to be a, I shouldn't have to worry about you, right?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (46:59.245)
Right.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (47:09.656)
Mm-hmm.

Aaron Galloway (47:10.555)
And then you have to have the great. Right? Okay. So I'm glad that we got all that out there because you were about to tell us just be real nice to people. Now you got to be able to perform. So performance does matter. At some points, performance does matter. Is that fair to say?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (47:13.858)
Got the head of growth.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (47:22.137)
Yeah, that's it.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (47:27.406)
It does and track is a numbers game. So it's kind of hard to, you know, it's not like football where it might be some politics involved into it. And I say there's no politics involved on the track side. But typically if you run a 10-1, then you're going to get 10-1 schools reaching out to you because you ran, you ran their mark. Like that's their recruiting mark and they want you, right?

Aaron Galloway (47:43.923)
Okay.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (47:49.89)
They may not reach out. You might not hear from Georgia if you run a 10-7 or 10-8 as a guy in the 100. They may not reach out to you unless you so happen to know the dean or somebody like that down there. But you want scholarship money? Run your time. Jump your time or jump your mark.

Aaron Galloway (47:59.125)
Hahaha

Aaron Galloway (48:05.737)
Got it. So we're coming towards the end here, but I want to do a couple of things before we get out of here. Number one, what is your best advice to a young athlete coming up who has hopes of going to college and playing their sport or doing their activity?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (48:24.846)
The number one advice I will give him is please, please, please do multiple sports. If you're a football guy, then you should be out there playing basketball, you should be playing soccer, you should be running track, you should be doing other things than just focusing on football 24-7. Because the more...

of one event that you do, the more likely it is that you're probably gonna end up hurt as you get older. You might not even be hurt in high school, but once you start getting to college and all these different levels, then the high chance of you being hurt is high. And I've seen a lot of people peak in 10th and 11th grade, and then they still might get a scholarship offer, and then they never ever run times that they ran in 11th grade.

Aaron Galloway (49:02.165)
Wow. Well, so what do you say to the high school coaches who might say, no, don't do multiple sports. I need you in my program. I've designed a program that wins and I need you to do that 24 seven, 365.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (49:11.214)
Mm-hmm.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (49:15.062)
And I would say to the coach, that's a great program and I'm glad he came up with it. And for the few athletes who will do that one sport for the whole year, stick with it and be fine. most athletes, you need that range of motion. You need it. You need to be able to go sideways. If you train your whole life to able to run forwards and then you run sideways one time and you tear your ACL in half, then hey, you should just probably have early. Go side to side. Play volleyball. Do something different.

Aaron Galloway (49:39.124)
Okay.

Okay.

Fair enough. What is your best advice to parents of athletes who want to see their child go to college?

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (49:53.646)
parents let your kids be kids. You train them in season, let them practice, let them work out with their trainers, whoever they're working out with to gain the skills that you're trying to gain. Don't invest too too much money. Say a parent is spending $1,000 a month on training for a seven-year-old.

If they continue at that same rate, they would have already paid for college. They could have just took half of that and put it in a savings account for kid. And by the time they got of college age, they might already have college tuition saved up.

Aaron Galloway (50:27.433)
Tough thing for people to hear, but you're not lying.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (50:31.212)
Save it if you want to spend it you might as well save it for the kid at least that way now you have a guaranteed Way like son I can pay this 200,000 for your four years of college like here isn't your account Go if you want to run track then all right whatever scholarship money. They're gonna give you use that Apply for FAFSA than whatever's left. I got you I got your back and that's good to be able to tell your kids versus Hey, so I used to pay a thousand dollars a month and now you don't even want to play the sport no more

Like, you just, you've invested wrong.

Aaron Galloway (51:00.894)
That's a tough one, but no, that's good advice. And so the last thing before we get out, where can the people find you? Where can they get in touch with you? Tell us about Pfeiffer. Where can they learn about Pfeiffer? Let us know.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (51:12.878)
I guess they see my name down in the corner. I'm pretty much speed thrills 24-7 on all platforms. So follow me. You can find me there. You can find the links to the FIFER recruiting questionnaires. You can find all of that on the Instagram page. Or if not, just go on FIFER Athletics and go to the Athletics page and you can find all of my information on there as well.

Aaron Galloway (51:33.407)
Well, John, I'm sorry, Coach John, we appreciate you. Thank you for coming. This has been How Tall Will They Be? Come check us out. We'll be talking about things that we don't know the answer to, because we don't know how tall they're going to be. All right.

John Osborne III | @Speedthrills247 (51:46.702)
Alright.

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