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Mavericks on the Mic
Holy Gabbana: From Chasing Clout to Following God
Everybody has a story—but not everybody is bold enough to share it like this.
In this Mavericks on the Mic episode, we sit down with Holy Gabbana, formerly known as "Boonk Gang," as he opens up about the highs, the lows, and the God-sized transformation that changed his life forever.
We’re talking:
🎙️ From clout chasing and chaos to faith and purpose
🎙️ Real talk on addiction, love, and staying true to yourself
🎙️ Navigating fame, faith, and a public relationship with Woah Vicky
🎙️ Lessons learned from the streets to the sanctuary
🎙️ Why authenticity matters more than ever in today’s world
Get ready for an unfiltered conversation about what it really means to find yourself and walk with God—struggles and all.
Chapters:
00:00:00 Intro: Who is Holy Gabbana (formerly "Boonk Gang")?
00:05:15 The Holy Spirit Encounter in Jail
00:12:45 Struggles with Addiction and Staying Intentional
00:18:32 Life After Fame: Public Perception vs. Private Battles
00:24:10 On Relationships: Woah Vicky, Distractions, and Growth
00:30:50 Healing Family Trauma: Learning to Love with Grace
00:39:15 How Fame Distorted Identity and Faith Brought Clarity
00:45:10 Breaking Free from Hypocrisy: Real Faith vs. Judgment
00:53:45 Balancing Temptation and the Walk with Christ
01:02:20 Owning Mistakes and Embracing the Process of Healing
01:10:00 Holy Gabbana’s Take on Fame, Faith, and New Purpose
01:15:45 Mavericks Roundtable: Lessons, Wisdom, and Next Steps
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I was in jail when I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and I was still a clout chaser. I was still on drugs, I was still a criminal at heart and I still had an encounter with God.
Speaker 3:All of us have had moments where we've made that decision to accept the Lord. You actually recorded yours on camera.
Speaker 2:What's been your biggest adjustment since transitioning or beginning?
Speaker 1:to walk with God. I try to be more understanding with how I love people, how I treat people.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it was soon after or immediately after you got into a relationship, really public relationship, with Woviki right.
Speaker 1:Victoria. She blessed me a little bit, but I believe she was more of a distraction than anything. In that moment when I was a fresh Christian, I was probably good for probably like three, four months, but then I got hit with reality.
Speaker 3:what's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of mavericks on the mic.
Speaker 2:I'm jj I'm norman and we have our guest with us today, homlin Gabama.
Speaker 3:What's up? Aka, formerly known, used to be known as Blue Gang man.
Speaker 1:I'm just so glad you're here I'm, your whole lot of gang star.
Speaker 2:It's good to have you here today with us, man. I appreciate it. Thank you, how was the trip?
Speaker 1:up Quick, fair, it was fair, it was quick.
Speaker 2:I know it's a lot of bad weather down in Florida. How have y'all made it through these past few days, past few weeks?
Speaker 1:Fortunately, jacksonville ain't really getting touched up like that. There's more Tampa, Sarasota and everybody, but we getting some rain and some wind but we ain't really getting touched up. I got it. I got it.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, man, I'm excited to have you on the podcast, excited to talk about you. Why don't you set us up? Who are you? Where are you from? Tell us a little bit of your story, I'm still trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, honestly, I'm still trying to figure it out. When I started to become an adult, I thought I knew who I was. But as I get older I'm coming to realize I really don't know who I am. And the closer I get to God, you know I'm just discovering new things about myself. But I'm just a man seeking purpose and seeking my identity in the Lord, and that's honestly who I am. So I'm a soul just trying to find myself in Jesus.
Speaker 2:That's a beautiful thing. How is that? I think one of the interesting things that a lot of people don't understand is that it's a journey with God, Not to jump too quickly or too fast, but the journey when you are newly coming into a relationship with God or you're newly coming into a relationship with communities in the faith. It can be difficult at times because of the pressure that you put on yourself as well as the standards that you want to uphold and live by and what you believe in other people that you see walking with God, Like it just happened overnight with them.
Speaker 2:And so I think I wanted to say I really admire your consistency and your consistent message and your boldness. Those are the things that just really stand out to me. It's like your boldness prior, when you were a boot gang now coming to Holy Gabon. It maintained, it remained, and one of the things my pastor told me when I was getting saved was that you don't lose who you are. It just manifests differently in the spirit in Christ Jesus, and that's the beautiful part of it. So I think one of my first questions would be what's been your biggest adjustment? What's been your biggest adjustment since getting saved or transitioning or beginning to walk with God. How I treat people.
Speaker 1:Got it. How I treat people and just my attitude, my attitude towards myself, my attitude towards family. That's my biggest suggestion, brother, respond on that. For example, say I be Like I used to have a mentality when If somebody Sides me up, look at me wrong, then I borrow. I don't have the same type of mentality. So I don't care how you look at me. You know, I really don't care how you look at me. I really don't care how you speak towards me, in a way, just as long as you don't put your hands up for me. So it's certain stuff like that, or just my patience, how I'm more patient with people.
Speaker 1:I used to really have a hate towards my family. So I don't have that same look. I don't view them the same how I used to Before. I used to view my people through the lenses of pain and hurt and trauma. So it's like now I look at them with understanding. They're human. Look at them with understanding, they're human, you know.
Speaker 1:So I don't know what my mom, my dad, experienced when they was younger, before they had me. I don't know what they went through, but whatever they went through, it caused them to alter their mind, alter who they are. And if they don't have Jesus, then of course they're going to be screwed up. So it's like now, as I get older, I have more understanding when it comes to people. It's like we all are broken in our own way. When it comes to people, it's like we all are broken in our own way, and you're even more broken if you don't have God working on the inside of you. So before I started forming a relationship with God, I didn't see that. So I just looked at a person as you, a man, and you did this to me. So now I'm going to get you back Because you hurt me. Now I'm going to get you back.
Speaker 1:So I don't look at people that way anymore. I look at people as a man who's been affected by sin, and it's not that person's fault that they were born into a sinful situation. They didn't ask to be born. None of us have. We just was born into a sinful situation and we're doing the best we can with what we've been given. And if you don't have Jesus, it's like bro. You know why are you putting so much expectations on that person? Expectations on that person? So you know just the way I look at people, the way I look at myself, the way I look at the world. I just I try to be more understanding with how I love people how I treat people.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you brought that moment up because I think all of us have had moments where we've made that decision to accept the Lord. But you actually recorded yours on camera and I was telling you earlier I think that moment was probably one of the most touching moments I think I've ever experienced, just watching you give your life to God, and it felt real. But it also felt like I could even see just a lot of the heaviness, a lot of pain just kind of going away. Could you talk us through that moment, like what was going on, like how did that happen? Like yeah, maybe just talk through that moment.
Speaker 1:Well, for me it was a moment. It was a moment that God gave me but nah, bro, all my pain didn't go away, All my hurt. But nah, bro, All my pain didn't go away, All my hurt nah, bro, that didn't go away. I've been walking with God for a little over three and a half years and I'm still scarred a little bit. But that moment for me was a realization of God. He still got to take me through a process dog, and I'm still going through that process. I'm not the nicest person all the time, but I'm nicer than what I was before. I'm not patient all the time, but I'm more patient now than I was before. So it's a process.
Speaker 1:But, that moment that you seen, was a genuine moment of me confessing my sins and me saying, hey, from this day forth I'm going to do everything I can to get right with God, to become a better version of myself. That's all. That was All the pain, all the trauma, all the anger that didn't go away. Then, you know, it's still being released from this temple every single day, and I mean that's the truth.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a beautiful moment too, because I felt like, you know, there's these verses in the Bible where, you know, jesus will ask the disciples who do you say that I am right? And they say you know? We say that you're the Lord, and he would say to them blessed are you, for flesh and blood hasn't revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven. It just felt like I was watching a miracle and just compared to like where you had been that moment and then to see where you are.
Speaker 1:I just you know when I, and in that moment it's like we go through seasons. So in that moment, when I was a fresh you know, a fresh Christian, I was probably. I was probably good for probably like three, four months, you know, thinking stuff sweet. But then I got hit with reality and it's like your walk with Christ is not all peaches and cream. I got hit with reality. I start questioning God. I start where you at why am I going through this? What is this for? I start where you at why am I going through this? What is this for? But is God showing me what's really inside of me, putting me through the fire, putting me through trials?
Speaker 1:What do James say when you face trials? To rejoice. I believe that, st James. I believe that. But I know the Bible when you, when you have trials because at the end you will be mature and complete need of nothing. So obviously trials and fire reveal something inside of you. So you could see what's inside of you. And it's like, uh, you know god's been taking me through different seasons. So for for probably like four months, I was on a clean roll and I get, you know, thinking I'm the holiest man on earth. Then sure, I get a little horny and I stumble. Then I'm like hey, I'm not the holiest man on earth. You know, maybe I should shut my mouth before I start talking about sexual sin and and wait till I get this out of me, because it's still inside of me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:What you say there. I want to keep you there for a good reason. What you say there is really interesting because you feel as if and this is just your perspective do you feel people should wait until they've overcome absolutely that they deal with before they speak against it, or do you believe? No, absolutely you do. Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1:Why do you believe that? Because that one. Because if you speak on something before you've overcome it, then you're going to be speaking of a place from hypocrisy, okay, you know I saying so. It's like, now it's one thing to say, hey, bro, you know, man, we shouldn't be in sexual sin. Now it's another thing to be like man, that person living in sexual sin, casting judgment, man, saying whatever, but secretly you doing that. It's like, bro. You know, we all have our own struggles.
Speaker 1:But if you're not being honest with what you're struggling with and you're preaching, casting judgment, then, bro, you're a hypocrite. My dude, how I'm going to listen to you. When you live in a secret life, you know what I'm saying and you telling me what not to do, but you really enjoying, you enjoying it at home. You know I'm saying so me, uh, I'm real with all my struggles now. What I was struggling with when I first gave my life to Christ, I'm not struggling with now. Okay, but at the same time, I do believe that you know, coming into the faith, that we should probably keep our mouth closed before we speak on it. Well, if we cast judgment, if it's coming from a place of judgment, then not.
Speaker 1:But I know at any point of your walk that God can use you, but I would just say to, before you speak on anything, to check yourself and to make sure that it's coming from a genuine spot and not a place of judgment, because you're going to be judged the same way you're judging the person.
Speaker 2:I think the reason I ask is for two reasons. I think one of the things that generally happens in the faith, especially when people are newly saved and they've had, like I use the term precarious past newly saved and they've had like, uh, I use the term precarious past is that the world tries to shame them into being, um, held up by who they used to be, or even if those things. You used a good example, as when you were talking, you said that uh, um, I was more patient than I was. I was more patient than I was, I was more, I was nicer than I used to be, and what I would say is that sin persists regardless of where you are in your road to sanctification. Right, jesus was the only perfect person. We don't just throw up our hands, I'm just saying forever. You know what I mean. We don't use grace as a trampoline, but we also don't allow sin to hold us in bondage. And so, um, as I hear you talk, what, what? What I feel, what I sense in the, in the spirit, is that the I had I just have a different opinion is that like I want, if I'm dealing with sexual sin, the person that I want to talk to me about it is someone who's dealt with it and the reason is because they understand. You know what I mean and what you're talking about is having compassion, having empathy. You know being on iron, sharpening iron with somebody and saying like, hey, I've been there. You know what I mean. I know what that's like. It could be more recently than you would ever imagine, but I wouldn't just because, like my son, right, my son, you know my son, he might tell a lie. I'm not going to not tell my son not to lie because I might still be struggling with lying. Does that make sense? It's because it's almost from the standpoint of if he in the road, and just because I'm an adult and I can play in the street, he can't play in the street.
Speaker 2:And what I'm really saying is that, because of where we've been through, we can see things in other people sometimes before they happen. You know what I mean. It's a lot of times with JJ and I, me and him, apollo the most. Our struggles with Apollo are the most different struggles in the world. You know what I mean and that's because of how we grew up, the way we grew up, our parents, all of the things you talked about.
Speaker 2:And a lot of the times, you know, when we're having conversations, I'll say, bro, please don't fall in. You know, don't let that temptation, even like the other side of giving in is something you would never want to experience, and that's what you're really speaking to. That when we become new Christians, we get so fire hot that our compassion, our passion for keeping someone away from something can come across as judgment and we got to be careful to say, hey, man, my passion for ministering to you about this is because, bro, I've been, I done, you know, I done have a fine chick or two and I you. That ain't what you want to go down, because the bondage that brings to you is something that's really difficult to get out of yeah, sure, I'd rather be like this I, if I know I'm struggling, and then say you, you, you stumble.
Speaker 1:Instead of preaching to you, I'm gonna be like, bro, let's pray, because I'm struggling with the same thing. That's what I do. Instead of trying to preach the word to you, I'm like bro, let's pray. We need each other.
Speaker 2:Help me stay out of this too, bro, guess what. That's good, that's really good. That's a good spot, because I know many people that catch this. You know they're going to want to know you.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know if it was soon after or immediately after you got into a relationship, really public relationship, with Woviki right, and one of the things that kind of was circulating was you know what took place during your relationship? And I would say from my observation, regardless of what took place, her life seemed to transform as well. I don't know her personally, but it did seem that you were walking her on a similar journey that you were on. I've still seen her on various shows and she speaks very boldly about her faith even to this day. From what I recognize, and I think I don't think I know God used you as an instrument to usher her into her new season as well. How do you? Is there any additional commentary you have on kind of how that relationship with you? Are there things that you would advise a young man that's recently saved sure, a young man that's recently saved against or towards as they begin to date and as they go on that journey with their partner or their girlfriend, whatever you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'll probably, honestly, I'll probably say, dog, just, you know, just wait till you're really secure in your faith, wait till you're grounded before you get in a relationship. Yeah, you know, because I believe you know, victoria, she blessed me a little bit, but I believe she was more of a distraction than anything, okay, so you know, I just, bro, you know women always going to be around 100%. You know what I'm saying. So just chill, dog, you know. That's all Like. If I could go back, I probably would have not gotten into a relationship. Go back, I probably would have not gotten into a relationship. So if I tell any younger dude or any newer Christian wanting to jump into a relationship, I'd be like, bro, just wait, that's what I'd say.
Speaker 3:Tell us about this newfound experience you have with Jesus. You're kind of coming back into the world. What was some of the reaction of your friends, people around you, and how was it? Being an instrument that God was using, as you were kind of fresh in your journey, maybe still making mistakes, maybe still learning Like what was that? What was that process like?
Speaker 1:It was challenging. It was challenging and just how so many people came up to me and just be like man boom game, I'll be ready to fight. You know, it's just me. How broken I was. Me how broken I was because in reality, but like to for me to been receiving my healing, like I have to go and watch all my old content that I uploaded when I was in that mind frame of I'm Boone Gang. Now, in reality, I'm not Boone Gang. In reality, I'm John Robert Hill Jr. That's my name.
Speaker 1:But I, at 21 years old, I made it's like I conditioned my brain to believe that I was Boone Gang. So to get out of that, uh, that mind frame, to like recondition my mind so I could tap into who I actually am. It's been taking a process and it's still going on, because for a year or two, I believed that I was a character that I created online, but in all actuality, my, my god, that's not who you are. But in my brain I believe that. So when I began to to wake up and because, dog, I remember out of nowhere, like I'm, like I'm lost, and I deleted everything off my social media and the guy who was my manager, then he like bro, why you deleted everything, like something. Don't feel right. Like I knew, I used to look in the mirror.
Speaker 3:This just happened in an instant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I knew I didn't feel right, I knew something was wrong. And every time I looked in the mirror, I stare in the mirror for so long and I'm like, who are you? Like? I looked in the mirror for so long searching for myself. So when people come up to me and they say, like you know, they'll probably come up to me trying to congratulate me. But if they mentioned Bunk Gang, like it would trigger something, because I was like, I was scarred, I was broken, I was hurt and I was trying to find myself. But I knew Bunk Gang wasn't it. I didn't want nothing to do with Bunk Gang, I didn't want to hear it. So it was a trigger. So when people came up to me wanting advice or trying to congratulate me or just about anything, I was ready to fight.
Speaker 1:I get upset, I get angry and I didn't like myself. But you know, uh, it was a challenge because there was time. Uh, there was those moments. But then at home, you know, I still pursue God and in pursuing God, he'll, like I could see myself how angry I was, how hurt I was, how broken I was and I, I pray and I cry and I tell God that I don't want to be this person, I want to find myself. You know, I don't want to be angry, I don't want to treat people like this and just it's just like he has sent people my way just to trigger me, mm-hmm. And you know, just over time, bro, it just gotten easier, you know. But it was a challenge. You know it still is a challenge, sometimes Not as much as it used to be, but this whole thing has been a challenge because god, he's, he's healing me and he's restoring me, because I believed a lot and you know I was so captivated in that lie, you know, only he knows how, how scarred I really am.
Speaker 1:And you know, while I'm on this subject, it's like, in pursuing God, there's things that I wanted, that I wanted him to do for me. You know, god, I want this, I think this needs to be happening, I want this, I want this, but, in reality, god, he, like bruh, you need healing, that's what you need. You need restoration, and I said that to, I said that for everybody who are who's pursuing God, and they, like you, like you know they, they think they want this from god, they want that from god, they need this from god, but in all actuality, though, you need some healing, you need restoration, you need freedom. You know that's what we, that's what we really need, and, uh, you know.
Speaker 1:But just to see how god is working in my life, even in the process of healing me and restoring me, I could see him, uh like building me up, uh and shoot and and pursuing a, a career, or and uh, in my gifts, should I say, you know, he's building me up, uh, also revealing my gifts and everything. It's just, but yeah, I've always been a challenge bro.
Speaker 3:When you went back and looked at some of the old videos of Boone Gang, do you remember that stuff? Was it hard to even look at it, to be like who is this guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a part of my brain was just black. I literally counseled out that part of me, but when I look at it I'm like it's like I deleted a version of me that I actually kind of need. You know what I'm saying, because that's me. It's a younger version of me, but it's still. It's like it's still me. I need that half's me. It's a younger version of me, but it's still. It's like it's still me. I need that half of me. So I could, you know, I need to accept that version of me. You know I don't need to hate because that's me. I'm hating myself.
Speaker 1:So I need you know what I'm saying, like I need to love that person as I need to love that person. So what I was lost, so what I was wilding out, so what I was committing crimes, so what, I don't care, I shouldn't care. That's me, that's me. I was making mistakes, but that's still me and I need to love me at every version Hurt, angry, broken, abusive, whatever. Love me at every version hurt, uh, angry, broken, abusive, whatever. But once I accept that that's me, then I could be healed from that and be a better version. You know, it's like uh, you think, uh, uh, you think a butterfly is upset with himself before he became a butterfly, before a butterfly is a caterpillar. You think the butterfly is upset that he was a caterpillar? Nah, you was a caterpillar at first, but now you're a beautiful butterfly.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't appreciate the beauty of the butterfly if it wasn't a caterpillar. You know what I'm saying. That's good.
Speaker 1:So it's like, man, I just got to accept that I was destructive. I was, you know, but that's not who I am today, but that's who I was, and I just have to accept that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think that's some interesting things about your story that could really help some people, because we know, you know, on these little fancy cards here they talk about like addiction, like dealing with addiction, and the reason I kind of want to hit on some of the what I may feel like harder things is because your story of transformation is one that resonates with beyond the cookie cutter status quo question. Right when you get down to the nitty gritty and this podcast interview comes out, there's going to be people that watch this, that are sitting there, whether it's marijuana, whether it's ecstasy, whatever, whether it's pornography, whatever. They're dealing and sitting in addiction. They don't know the pathway forward. They believe they're bound and they'll never get over it. What would you give them as a sign of that? So what were some things that you used or you're currently using to remain free from addiction?
Speaker 1:First off, before I even get on that, you know the reality is. So I'm going through this process of sanctification, of being clean and to accept who I was, and when I found God, the reality is I was still that person, Of course. So if who I was then God accepted, then we should all accept ourselves in the dirtiest version of ourselves. Well, I love that. That's good. You get what I'm saying. It's like my dirt didn't stop.
Speaker 3:God, accepting it didn't disqualify you yeah, it didn't. Kind of ties back to what you were saying about you can look back and love that person, yeah, but you're just a God-loving person Exactly so.
Speaker 1:I mean, if a person is stuck in addiction, shoot. Love yourself because God loves you, honestly Shoot. I was in jail when I had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and I was still a cloud chaser, I was still on drugs, I was still a criminal at heart and I still had an encounter with God. So it might be a struggle but I believe if you start just uh, with accepting who you are and then making an intentional decision of not being that person anymore, then they get better. So for me to answer the question is just being intentional with not dealing with that stuff, being intentional with not surrounding myself with people who could invite that in my atmosphere, invite that in my life, and being intentional with not inviting certain temptations in my life. So no, that's really good. That's I mean in this world. You got to be intentional.
Speaker 2:So do you have like accountability partners? Do you have?
Speaker 1:like accountability partners? Do you have, uh, I mean to, to be honest, bro, like I got friends who I could call but I'm intentional with with just not inviting certain things because I'm like this calls too much pain, this calls uh you know just too much in my life that I don't want to deal with. Uh, you know, even with it come with sexual sin shoot. I stumbled a few times but I got to a point where I'm like, bro, if I fall, it's like my mind it's not the same, because I don't look at sex the same anymore. So I, I, you know, I'm just not gonna deal with that.
Speaker 2:Expound on that that's a good one. Expound on that, like I mean, however you want to like, how do you see it like? Yeah, how do you see it differently from how you saw it before? Bro?
Speaker 1:like, uh, before I could sleep with anybody, like, shoot. Like that's how I used to live. I used to sleep with prostitutes, shoot. I used to use my Instagram to pull a woman. When I first got famous dog, I used to just go into a city. I'd be like hey, I'm in Cali, hey, I'm in Vegas, hey, I'm in Texas. Anybody want to pull up up? Like talking to all the women. Be like, uh, girls, pull up, get a hotel. Got about 10, 10 women at the hotel. Shoot. I'm hitting as many as I can on all type of drug. Wake up, do the same thing.
Speaker 1:But it's like, nah, uh, it's like now, even if I don't have respect for myself, my love for god makes me respect myself. You get what I'm saying. It's like I respect god so much. It's like, okay, I ain't gonna do that. Then, when I stumble, I'm like dang. I don't feel the same because my respect for God says that this is wrong. You get what I'm saying, so, even. But then I'll be like this, this, how, this, how I used to think I'd be like dang. But man, sex is so good, it feels so good, like God you're talking about wait to marriage, man?
Speaker 1:what are you talking about? But then I'm like you know what I respect God. I respect God, I love God. So if God say wait, then I'm going to wait. A time period go by, I feel the temptation. I'm like man, god, I don't know, man Stumble. Then I feel some type of way I'm like dang man. You know what. I really need to stop this. But over time it's like. Over time, the pleasure that I used to have from fornicating, it's like it began to cease. It's like God began to strip it away from me, took the taste away from me.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know what I'm saying. And so now at this, now today, john, I'm like bro. When I used to look at women, I used to look at the booty, I you know, I used to look at the waist, I used to look at the face, but it's like I'm like damn man, she's so fine. But it's like now, when I look at a woman, it's like now I look at it as God's creation. So first, that's good, when I first looked at a woman, I'm already imagining the sex. But now when I look at a woman, it's like when I see God's door. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But that the process that I just explained, like it went from being able to to sleep around with whoever to stumbling in my walk, getting convicted for it, and then, over time, so it's like it began to do something with my mind and it's like, it's like it don't feel the same. And even after, it's like my mind is just going to bubble, even in knowing that I received God's forgiveness, that even while knowing that before God gave me an encounter, he seen I was going to stumble, so he already noticed. So he ain't tripping. If I just confess my sins, it's done, I'm forgiven, cool. But even after knowing that it's like my mind is all messed up so I'm like you know what. I'm just done with it completely.
Speaker 2:Basically, this is good man Like a lot of the time. This is why I want to do this and I used to always tell JJ it's that there's not enough fresh perspective on the actual journey of learning, loving, walking with God. There's so much fear around talking openly and transparently about what you just did, although we have churches and ministries full of people walking through that exact same journey. Oh man, I was. I gotta get up and go serve in kids ministry and I'm getting out of the bed with some dude. I ain't supposed, but because of the lack of transparency and authenticity and freedom, it's like what you talked about earlier, that instead of when we're preaching and we're having conversation about yo um, I'm noticing something in you that I seen in myself and I want to pray with you about sexual sin. Instead of that, it's more girl. You need to, and you need to stop going over that boy house, and you know if you keep doing that, you ain't. Stop going over that boy house and you know if you keep doing that, you ain't. It's like it's coming from and it's not. I went, I cautioned to use the word judgment because it's such a. It has such connotation in the church, right, but what happens is, instead of the aunties or the uncles or the or the elders of the church, speaking from a place of experience, what they've overcome, what they've been through and what they could still be going through, just because you're 60, 70, whatever the case may be, a common statistic that's not well known is that the highest rates of STDs are in nursing homes and those type of facilities. Is that true? Yes, like per capita, they have some of the highest rates of STDs, and that's because at that age, you begin to believe like you believed when you were young. Well, it doesn't matter, I done lived my whole life. You know what I mean. There's nothing else serving. When you're young, you think I got my whole life to live.
Speaker 2:It's the same paradigm, just on the other side, and so I mention that to say we have to be very honest, authentic, integral and truthful about the fact that, man, when you get saved, some people I won't say God can't do it, like the one with issue of blood. Some people have an account and what they've been going through just fall off of instantly and I can say what I got saved, certain things did, like the one with issue of blood. Some people have an account and what they've been going through just fall off of instantly and I can say what I got to say. Certain things did. I went from like I went from cussing every day to I didn't curse, basically for the next decade. You know what I mean. It just happened in an instant. And then I got around some jokers you know what I'm saying that kind of messed my language up for a minute. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But, in and of itself, like some things, like when you had your account, there was some things about you. I'm sure you just never struggled with them again. Like they just they literally fall like the wind and there's some thorns that take a lot more pruning where you just got to trust his grace. But I love what you said when you said that even though I know, if I repent, I know he's already died for it, you still have that conviction because that's one of they seem to have um, uh, we. We don't have the same uh fundamental. Like you got to pray five times a day. You gotta, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta wear this, or it's not as restrictive as what, as what many would say and what I often I mean.
Speaker 2:I used to have this debate in college all the time. I'm well past those years and what I would say to people and I say this lovingly is that when the devil already got you, he has no reason to come after you further. The Christians are. Christians are under an attack because he doesn't want to see us give our life to God, because he doesn't want to see us give our life to God. If you find yourself okay in sin and you find yourself just chilling in sin, if you find yourself just good going about life with no forks in the road, you might not be on that straight and narrow path, because that straight and narrow path is full of trials, it's full of tribulations, it's full of opportunities to show that you get, you're going deeper with them, you're getting better with them, your, your relationship is going with them, and that you require him daily, no matter how.
Speaker 3:We require him every day to maintain what we are, no matter what it is and I love what you said because, because, because, transformation isn't just behavior modification, right, it's, it's the renewing of your mind. Well, it says we're transformed by the renewing of your mind, and I love that. You said like, on the other side of this, like some things would happen, but I saw it completely differently. It was like it's like I can't even I'm like that person that was doing that stuff. It's like I see it from God's perspective. That is the sign to me of transformation, of God literally helping you renew your mind.
Speaker 3:So that you see it the way he sees it.
Speaker 1:I used to pray for that.
Speaker 1:God show me, I want to look at people how you see people. I want to see myself how you see me. Joe, this man said that he would never look at a woman, uh, lustfully, or the right scripture, hey, I'm paraphrasing. But Joe said that he would never look at a woman lustfully, something like that. Um, but I'm like, dang, uh, that he would never look at a woman lustfully, something like that. But I'm like, dang, I need to check how I look at women.
Speaker 1:And to even get back on what you said for me, in my first two years I had mentorship. You know, uncle Reese, I do not Worship Till I Pass Out, the gospel song. He's a gospel singer. I've heard the song Worship Till I Pass Out, but I'm not familiar with it. Okay, yeah, so, uncle Reese, he mentored me for like two years, but you know, as I began to mature in my walk, you know he's not really over my shoulder as much as he used to be. But accountability, I definitely, uh, agree with that. It's just, you know me differently. Like God, he's, he's working in my life the way he's working in my life. You know, we we all different, bro, you know, for for me.
Speaker 1:I was really stubborn. I was really stubborn, and that come from me having to just survive on my own in 16, 17, at a very young age. So it wasn't too many. It wasn't too many stuff. People could tell me how I looked at another man. It was bro, is you a man? I'm a man. Like you got your old mindset. I got my mindset like, shoot, I'm living in the world of survival and here I always lived in the world of survival.
Speaker 1:So when it came to when I got saved and it was it came to accountability, I couldn't, I wasn't comfortable with telling people certain stuff. I wasn't comfortable with certain people speaking into my life trying to tell me what to do. Like bro, who are you talking to? You know what I'm saying? Like God, like God, he had to take me through that. You know what I'm saying and humble my like.
Speaker 1:I had to be humbled, I had to be healed. I had to be humbled. I had to be healed. I had to. So it's like now uh, um, so oh, in the early process I had mentorship but too, on the back end, I had to go through a lot of experiences where I'd be like, yeah, this is not for me no more. But if you want to escape them, experiences not really, or just uh, I really want to say, because you know you might have some shortcomings, but accountability, somebody who could like be in your life daily, to really like help pick you up so you won't fall on your face so much, then accountability is great. But I fell on my face so much because I wasn't comfortable with a man being over my shoulder all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, what?
Speaker 2:do you think that that that I mean. One thing we didn't do early on is we didn't really come, we didn't, we didn't start at the beginning. So like, take, take us through. Like what you think framed a good bit of you. Like you talk about being on your own at 16, 17, struggling with you know authoritative figures and struggling with authority. Like, how did you grow up? Were you in the hood? Like, what was life like? Were your parents still together? Did you go out with your grandma? Talk to them.
Speaker 1:I'm still laughing at talking about it. When I was like I say, my mom and friend used to be like who you talking to and you're like I understand.
Speaker 2:I mean, I understand, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean listen man, I did it.
Speaker 2:And I speak to it. But I'm going to come back to that. But like for real, like I mean this music thing, this Marriott City thing, for me, man, it came out of nowhere. Man, like I did it. I'm not a church boy, you know what I'm saying. I'm about as rough around the edges as they come. My brother, you know what I mean. Like I went to church on second and fourth Sundays only when I was growing up, you know what I mean. My dad, you know he was a very interesting guy, you know what I mean. I had a very interesting example of what a husband, father, you know all of that was going to be.
Speaker 2:So for me, man, coming into church at 31, I had lived and I had somebody really, and I mentioned it, kirk Franklin. He spoke into my life at a time where I needed somebody to kind of explain to me, like, bro, I've been living before now. Like living, I mean well, I mean you know you describe some various scenarios. They're not for all. You know what I'm saying. I say that to say like God can rescue you from anywhere, but that, what is necessary for certain people, what Kirk said to me. He said the hard thing about when you get saved late is that you got all of these old model cars on the road, right. So imagine, there's the norman dealership, right, and my old life, I got all of these old normal cars. I don't got no nickname, they call me birdman, so that's my. I got all of these birdman cars on the road and now I get saved and I start a new factory and I'm now making norman cars. The Birdman cars don't go away. So when somebody see me from my college years or when somebody see me from high school or somebody see me when I was up here in Atlanta, I ain't know, you know that's. I still know, I still got that Birdman car. So you talking about Norman, like what is that? I want the new version of the OU.
Speaker 2:And the difficult part in that is that my sister used to say this to me all the time that, like, there will be this emptiness inside of you when you're not with God. And, frankly, I didn't feel that I had fun. Me too didn't feel that I had fun, me too. You know what I'm saying. Like, I enjoyed my life before, like it was exhilarating, it was fun.
Speaker 2:Like, and I would often, because both my, both my brothers was the past, I would say like I never woke up and I knew I'm talking. My mama, my daddy, my brother-in-law, they pastors, these are the people I talked to, they praying for me. I never woke up like, oh, I wish I was living like them, that's not, that's not how, that's not praying for me. I never woke up like, oh, I wish I was living like them. That's not how. That's not what was in me. I never woke up like, oh my God, why these girls like? I never felt that until I didn't feel those things, until after I got saved. Before I thought they was weird. I thought that, like you know what I'm saying, I was like are you just mad because you're a Christian?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So what I'm saying, I understand where you're coming from, Like bro, what you mean.
Speaker 1:Bro. I understand that, because people they'll be like I see comments. They'll be like, oh well, it's good. You know, it's easy to find God after you done got some money, or after you done did it, but got some money, or after you did it. But I'm like, bro, I never wanted to be a christian, though I didn't just wake up and be like, oh, I want to be a christian, but no, I had.
Speaker 1:I had a real encounter with jesus, and then after, in pursuing him, you know, then I'm having desires to be married. I never decided to have a wife, though, but now, in pursuing, in pursuing god, god say, each man should have his own wife. Fornication is a sin. You know what I'm saying and certain stuff. And now I have a desire to be holy, to live a certain way, but before that was none of my desire.
Speaker 1:All I've seen was people profess a faith they didn't live up to. All I've seen was a group of religious people. I don't want to be religious. I don't want to just live my life with a suit and tie. That was my lenses then. You know what I'm saying. But now that I'm actually in the faith, I'm like. You know what, honestly, this way of life is actually better than the other way. But before I had an encounter with god and I started pursuing god, that wasn't in my heart, that wasn't in my mind. It was my actual encounter with god and I was having fun before. You know, and some people they might be too holy to say they was having fun before. But if it wasn't fun, why was you doing it in the first place?
Speaker 2:you know what I'm saying, and the reason why that's important is because, as a body, as people that actually want to go and save the lost, we got to recognize sometimes they don't know they lost, they don't. They, looking at you and because of sometimes our lack of honesty, like you, just a hypocrite, dude you with, like, and if we aren't able to say, hey, man, like, look you, speak to it, like people often say, like man and I, we were successful, my wife and I, prior to like really giving our life to God, gave our life to God, basically lost everything. And now we've become successful again. And what I say is that, having experienced it all the fast life, slow life, church sold out I mean serving the church all day, every day, all night long, driving seven hours every day to just go work at my church for free you know what I mean. Like doing that, the joy of walking with God is second to none. I mean there is nothing. There's no sweeter joy outside of and there's no sweeter joy, I don't want to say, outside of anything. There's no sweeter joy than that. The only thing close, marrying your wife and having a child, like those things are the only things that come even close in experience.
Speaker 2:And the reason I think that these conversations are important is because, man, we live in such a diverse generation now. People have so many different stimuli and so many different echo chambers that they're looking for truth, they're looking for authenticity, they're looking for real stories, real journeys. That's like, man, you know what I get it Like for the dude that catches this, and he looked at me and you and he said, man, I really, I really resonate with these dudes, like and they giving their life to Christ and they used to be able to get whatever girl they want. Yeah, man, ain't no girl as good as the love of Christ. You know what I mean? It's like that's the, that's what I want.
Speaker 2:To jump off the screen with people like that. There's enough podcasts out here that's telling people oh, you shouldn't be doing that, you shouldn't be doing that, or you know, you need to watch out for that. What I rarely see in our space and I hope that God allows us to be the place what we rarely see is this type of dialogue. Man, yeah, just keeping it above.
Speaker 1:But I mean and I'm'm gonna go back to how I grew up, I didn't forget about the question but it's like when I first gave my life to christ, I used to try to be holy man and speak on stuff like on scripture, and then it's like shoot, I got hit with reality getting evicted, you know I'm saying having to get, uh, my bins repoed or losing money, or being in situations where, uh, I'm like my nigga, life is still real out here, bro, life is still real. You know, I'm saying like, hey, I love god, but, man, life is life, bro. So you know what man? Hey, I'm a, I'm a christian, I love god. But guess what, bro, amen, the rest of the world. They gonna have to see this authenticity because, but this is real out here, bro. It's too real out here to try to try to act like you hold it in down dog like you, out of touch with reality, bro, like people want god, they won't love. I mean, they won't, they won't god, they won't truth, they won't love. But people struggling to pay their bills, bro, you got people on the street with no roof over their head, man, people talking about something. You got people mentality like what could God do for me. I can't even bathe, I can't wash my clothes, I ain't had no meal in a week. Like that's real life. Like I love God, but people man, it's like it's real life. Like I love god, but people man is like it's. It's real out here, bro, and I'm not here trying to hit somebody with religious rules and tell you to change this and change that. No, I'm not here to stump you, uh, to stump your head with some religious rules. Nah, dog, your situation may not change now, but I know somebody who can give you peace while you're going through this. That's what I'm here to say. Yeah, shoot, you might not have no food, but I know somebody who could give you the grace you need to get through this season. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1:When I lost my career, I had the faith to say man, this is going to change tomorrow. But I went through a season where my life ain't changed. But God changed me and I didn't see that till like six months after. I'm sitting here each and every day. I'm like man, my life is going to change. I believe the God I believe in. He don't want me living like this. He going to change this tomorrow. Like, shoot, you know what I'm saying I'm still who. I am Like I get a check tomorrow, but each day ain't nothing changing, ain't nothing changing. But I'm like I'm still seeking God, I'm pursuing God. I'm like I'm still seeking God, I'm pursuing God. I'm like, bro, let me just get, let me just read some scripture. You know I'm saying let me just, let me just get the faith that I need to get through this day. My, my, my life gonna be changed. Man, I'll just be able to buy another car every single day.
Speaker 1:That's my life the past year, but the whole time he really changing me and I didn't see that until a year later so I'm here to say dog, so it's like the version you get from me, the Christian version, but so authentic is because I went through a year of rebuilding my life in reality, going through struggle, but pursuing God. Man, I'm being changed on the inside, but I'm still faced with reality, still faced with trials, still faced with losses, still faced with struggles, and on the inside I'm pursuing God because I'm believing that my life going to be changed any minute. Man, you're all you meant, bro.
Speaker 1:But, I'm being changed the whole time, being saved by it. So it's like man. It's like in all this in the past year, it's like when I first, almost four years ago now, when I first gave my life to Christ, I used to just be like this and just quote scripture and everything like that. But then, you know, my prayers start strengthening. I just used to be, I used to pray, for I want to see myself in reality and, just like I used to just pray certain things and I believe that God, he shook my life up so I could, I could be who he needed me to be.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. It's like, hey, I ain't with all that fake religious stuff, like you could try to act like you holy and stuff and everything. But hey, I understand that we all fall short of God's glorious standard and, look, this is what people need to see. They need to see authenticity, they need to see that I relate to them, I love God, but I understand that we still live in a messed up world. You know what I'm saying. Like I understand that.
Speaker 3:Well, how did you because I mean, you have this transformation moment, get to know the Lord, and then, like you were saying, stuff just isn't going the way it should be. Like, how did you stick that through? Like, how did you keep it going?
Speaker 1:Well, it's like my mind of God was distorted. My mind of God was distorted Like I'm like. I believe that God he want me to live comfortable, which he does, but he care more about my character and who I am than my comfort. You know what I'm saying. And like no, still today, I don't believe God want me to stay on the street. Shoot, john don't want to stay on the street. Shoot, John don't want to stay on the street. And if John don't want to stay on the street and I believe that God want the best for me, then I believe God's vision for my life is greater than my vision.
Speaker 1:So, even as I was, you know, and for me, I'm like, bro, I'm doing what I gotta do, I'm managing this, I'm managing that. What's going on, bro? You know what I'm saying. So I'm like, as in the natural world, my life started to be shaken up, my faith. I'm like you know God, even if I wrestled with God, I'm like God, you tripping man, what's going on? I don't see you tripping man, what's going on, man, I don't see you. You know I'm saying I still pray in that, but it's like my faith in that God, he want me to live a certain way is what kept me going. But I began to. I began to see reality, bro, you know I'm saying and like God, he like not. I don't want this in your life. I don't want this in your life. I don't want this in you. I don't want that. I really want you to resemble Christ. That's what I care more about than you driving this or you having this, or you being with this lady or you. You know what I'm saying. So that's what kept me going.
Speaker 2:I mean we run in short on time. But I know you definitely got to fight a little while. But you spoke to a journey I went on very similar I used to. Really I used to just serve money. It was so bad at certain points in my life If I didn't have money in my account I couldn't get out of bed, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. Like money was my God, it was my idol. And when he prunes you and we take that thing from you, man like I remember my wife and I. We went from. I think she had a Porsche, I had an Audi, we had our own house too. We was living with my mom, she pregnant, we got a kid and her parents had gifted her like a 2005 Infiniti that was falling apart.
Speaker 2:I'm serious business. I went from I'm money man, I'm big shot, I'm all this too. I ain't got no house, we ain't got no cars, but the one we got gifted and what, what. What happened in me was my identity as the guy that always had money, the guy, the big shot. My identity transformed into the guy that's integral, the guy that will work hard, the guy that will go get what he needs for his family, because before I was four, my mom paid off my bills. I was 28 years old, every single one. I never got nothing in my name prior to me getting married serious business nothing, not even an apartment. And to go from that to now, my family like everybody retired besides me and my brother we able to, like, really give back what I want.
Speaker 2:I really want to commend you for the season you're walking through, because the other side of that season is one of real freedom, like that's, where, once you're free from those identity things that used to hold you, that used to make you John you know what I'm saying and now you become John in Christ, you'll find out that, yeah, he going to bring some of those things back, but, like you talked about, when it comes to sexual sex, it won't have the same taste to you. It'll be. You'll hold it with your hand open, like now today. You want Maverick City it's yours. You want this crib it's yours. You want these cards it's yours. They don't define who I am, like they would have had he given them to me earlier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sound like me and what? You know what I'm saying? The season that God has taken me through. Yeah, honestly, bro, real spill, but man to answer your question, because I wanted to answer it. But man to answer your question because I wanted to answer it, please. Then we're done.
Speaker 1:So I just my father, he wasn't in my life, my stepdad, he raised me but he died when I was 14. And at 14, you know, I'm a kid, you know, don't even know who I am, don't know how to be a man. So I didn't necessarily grow up in a hood environment. It was a house. My mom had an apartment, but the environment in the household, the atmosphere, it was demonic. And it's just my mom. She was mean-spirited, she always beat us, she kept us sheltered, so I didn't have freedom just to hang out with a friend. You know, she just really kept us enclosed. So you know, she always beat us. Or I didn't have a chance to express myself. When I did, you know my mom, she would punch me in my face. So I always suppress my emotions. So in my videos when I was yelling boat gang, you know, you'll see a lot of wild. It's just, I was rebelling, you know yeah, what you never?
Speaker 1:yeah, you felt like you never got to exactly so, uh, and then, uh, just hanging around with the wrong friends, uh, uh, oh yeah. And then the reason why I say I struggle with authority to figures in my life is because, um, at 16, you know, I was in the streets, uh, begging people for change for food. You know what I I'm saying, stealing food, washing my butt at Burger King bathroom. You know what I'm saying. At 17, my mama, she really kicked me out and then, shoot, I'm sleeping in abandoned buildings. Shoot, breaking in buildings to find somewhere to sleep. Breaking in abandoned houses to find somewhere to sleep. Breaking in abandoned houses to find somewhere to sleep, sleeping outside of the U-Haul spot, you know so, sleeping outside, so really just having to be in survival mode at a young age, me being my own guy and it's like when another man, you know, trying to challenge me, is like I didn't know how to accept that because I didn't have, as a kid, shoot my mama, she didn't, she wasn't sitting next to me telling me how to deal with anger or how to talk, how to express yourself. It wasn't that, she just punched me. So how I really felt was always stuck inside, suppressed.
Speaker 1:Then, when I got in the streets, I'm surviving, you know, doing all this at a young age, trying to figure out life on my own, with nobody guiding me. It's like I was lost, I was hurt. Me is like I was lost, I was hurt, I was broken, I was desperate, trying to get money, trying to get on. So, even while making my videos shoot, I'm 20 years old. I really got famous at I was 20, getting the name for myself. I blew up at 21. So at 21, I'd been through all that surviving. So at 21, I'd been through all that surviving, struggling, being my own God, or desperate from sleeping in the streets for so long. I'm like I got to get some money, I got to get on. I got to get on. My life got to change and me not really having a plan.
Speaker 1:It's like when somebody came into my life who was mature, they saw something in me that I didn't see in myself and was just trying to guide me in the right ways. I'm like bro, even if I didn't agree, I didn't know how to disagree maturely, I didn't know how to talk out my disagreements. It was just always ah, just from always having my emotions suppressed me, feeling like you know, not feeling loved, like man you don't really care about me, you're just trying to use me. You know what I'm saying and stuff like that Me from me being broken by my mama and the household I was in. I looked at everybody else the same way, so it was.
Speaker 1:It was really hard for me. How's that relationship been Shoot? Honestly, it still needs to be mended. So God, he's working on me. God, he's working on me, and if I'm ever in a situation with my mom to where you know things could be made right, then I'll make it right. But the thing is is God still needs to work on her because, you know, though she's my mom, it's like she still looks at me like a little boy, but it's like bro, it's like this mentality is like it's not the same little boy where she could just punch on and I just shut up. See, I'm a lot different now. See, I'm a man now.
Speaker 1:So I'ma say something, and it's not what I say. It's not gonna be disrespectful, but it's gonna be some truth. And no, I'm not, even though my mom, she's my parent and I'm not her parent. It's like it's like hey, you know, ma, it's like it's certain things that I'm not going to allow you to say, you know, it's certain things, uh, we're like, hey, we need some, we need there need to be some respect in this conversation, and she's not at that point to where we can have that type of dialogue, you know. So that's how it is. It's like once she could get past that and respect me, then you know, we just gonna, we're gonna come together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, we're gonna be praying for you, man, absolutely your family man. This is probably we just going. We're going to come together. Yeah, man, we're going to be praying for you, man, absolutely your family man. This is probably one of the it's like I'm looking in the mirror, it's crazy. It's one of the best conversations I could talk to you, literally for probably six hours. We got to do this again. Yeah, we got to do this again.
Speaker 2:I think, man, like, thank you, like man, god has laid so much on my heart as it pertains to you, man, it's just, it's beautiful man, like your journey, man, you don't know that, bro, what you are going to revival in a generation, only you can do.
Speaker 2:And, like we've been telling you, we got your back, we're by your side. One last question we ask everybody is what do you feel like was your maverick moment? Like what was that moment where you know, feel like you broke away from the herd? You know you found it was that moment where you know, feel like you broke away from the herd. You know you found it was that moment that you crystallized on your new journey. Like what was the moment that you had the realization that, all right, I'm headed on that right path. You know what I mean. Like I'm headed down the path I'm supposed to be on, and it could have been that moment when you gave your life to Christ. So it could have been that moment when you gave your life to Christ, so it could have came after Our bond, came after my salvation point.
Speaker 1:It's moments like this, it's moments like this, just because you know I believe you love God. I believe you love God. But what makes this even better is I can see myself in y'all. You know I'm saying so. I could I connect with y'all, because I'm like, okay, wow, you know y'all love god, but you know you still got you still got some drip on or your personality is not religious, which I don't. I don't feel you know religious vibes from y'all. I still see that y'all are people.
Speaker 1:So it's moments like this where I'm like, okay, wow, you could be a Christian, you could be a person that love God, but you could still be a person Absolutely. Because it's like before I didn't look at religious people or people who love God as people. It's like it was hard to look at them like that because I'm like how you relate to me, I can't connect with you. You know what I'm saying, but just to see people still be them authentic selves and still know that they have godly morals and characters, I'm like man. You know what it's like. Okay, wow, I can keep on going because there's other people out there like me. That's good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's one of the hopes of this podcast is that we're able to highlight the people that God's using, and I think a lot of times because in super religious situations it's like a lot of times people don't see that personal, authentic. It's like if you're a Christian and you follow God, you feel like you have to be a certain. Yeah, bro, god is using so many people that don't look like you, that don't know me, that don't look at him, that looked just so different. And what I want us to do and what I love about you, is that we're celebrating the God that is working in your life in ways that, man, that's your ministry. You're made in the image of God, you have a calling, you have a purpose, and I'm so proud of what you're doing and glad to have this conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah me too, yeah me too.
Speaker 2:Well, that ends this episode of Mavericks on the Mic. We want to thank our brother, john, popping in here with us. We're going to do this again. This is part one. We got to have a part two of this.
Speaker 3:We might have to throw a collab in there too.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Y'all might see some music. Y'all probably definitely going to see some music out of this, but we thank y'all. Stay tuned, like, share, subscribe, comment on the Instagram post. All of that Tick tock. We really want this to spread. We really want this to get to the people that it's intended to reach. One love you.