CINEMISSES! Talledega Nights

Matt and Tug speed into the film Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, exploring the plot (such as it is) as well as its comedic and not-so-comedic moments. They talk about the film's development, Will Ferrell's rise to fame, and the fact that John C. Reilly is a bona fide national treasure. They also poke at some of the improv moments, and ponder some of its dated jokes and themes. In the third, and hopefully, final installment of "Tug's Bronchitis: The Return of the Phlegm," we hear Tug's voice at nearly 84% normal.

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Tug McTighe (00:02)
Okay, hello, Mr. Matt. I'm well, how are you on this winter storm Saturday?

Matt Loehrer (00:04)
Hey, Todd, how are you?

I'm good. We're prepared for the snowpocalypse. went to Aldi. I went to Aldi. There are...

Tug McTighe (00:14)
Yes, the snowpocalypse. Yeah, we went to the we went and

got water bottles the whole schmear

Matt Loehrer (00:19)
Yeah, there will be either no snow or 15 inches of snow. So one of those two things. And then I went to the liquor store and picked up beer. So I'm

Tug McTighe (00:23)
That's correct. That seems to be the range.

Oh, even

better. Yeah, I had a refrigerator full of it out there. So you know where there's not usually a lot of snow is in Talladega. And that's what we're going to talk about today is the film Talladega Nights, The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, starring, of course, the inevitable Will Ferrell and national treasure John C. Reilly as our two main characters. This is a 2006.

Matt Loehrer (00:38)
Okay?

Love John Theorist.

Tug McTighe (00:55)
Sports comedy directed by Adam McKay, is Will Ferrell's longtime writing and directing partner, starring Ferrell as the titular Ricky Bobby, a man-child yet successful NASCAR driver. So the logline for this, which I think everybody knows, is number one NASCAR driver Ricky Bobby stays atop the heap thanks to a pact with his best friend and teammate Cal Naughton Jr.

But when a French Formula One driver makes his way up the ladder, Ricky Bobby's talent and devotion are put to the test. So there's a funny story about this. was McKay and, and Farrell started writing this when, when Will Farrell was, making Elf. And they went, there was a, what am I trying to say? They pitched it to all these studios. There was a bidding war. Pardon. And they pitched it. They had a six word pitch that was.

Matt Loehrer (01:48)
Mm-hmm.

Tug McTighe (01:55)
Will Ferrell as a NASCAR driver and that started a bidding war. again, was because this was in the middle of a, this was Ferrell's like from 2001 to 2010. It was like Zoolander, old school, Elf, Anchorman, Starsky and Hutch kicking and screaming, wedding crashers. Like he was on a heater and he didn't even, this was 2006 and this will come up later because it's really important to me to discuss this.

Matt Loehrer (01:58)
Right, and that's it.

Right.

Tug McTighe (02:24)
And guys, by the way, if you're long time listeners of our three episodes, there's at least 20 of you. I was diagnosed with bronchitis shortly after our last recording. So I'm now on the mend. I'm one day away from finishing my course of antibiotics. So I hope it sounds better. I still have a terrible voice for radio, but hopefully I'm not coughing and hacking the whole time. But thank you. I know Eddie, we both do. That's what makes us such a great partnership.

Matt Loehrer (02:44)
You got a great face for radio though.

Right. So I would say

at that point, I feel like old school like elf wasn't a Christmas classic yet. But as you've said before, I think at this point, it's safe to say that it is. But old school, I think was a surprise breakout kind of thing for him. And Anchorman then I think hammered that home. So by 2005 2006, when this movie was made, he was peak.

Tug McTighe (02:57)
Correct.

100 %

Yeah, right.

Matt Loehrer (03:18)
Will Ferrell, I would say.

Tug McTighe (03:19)
Yeah, and this is, again, this is, course, why that was their pitch, right? Because he's Will Ferrell. He's just had five, whether he starred in them or was a guest star or even in a kid, like in all these, like in Starsky and Hutchie, he was just a prisoner in jail for like five minutes. And it's like, he's chewing up the scenery every moment he's on. And same thing for Wedding Crashers. He's just, he's in there for five minutes and he's hilarious, just doing his teardrop point peak, peak Will Ferrell. So I think it's funny.

Matt Loehrer (03:23)
Sure.

Lighting crashers for sure.

And he made it his own.

So

2001 Will Ferrell couldn't have pulled this off, but 2005 Will Ferrell, they're like, absolutely, whatever you want.

Tug McTighe (03:52)
100 100 percent

100 percent agree which again I think is is is a both a strength and a weakness of this movie anything you want as a strength and a weakness of this of this movie, so You know, I there's a lot of stuff that we learned when our in our little bit of internet digging and I stress a little bit but You know NASCAR was hesitant to be involved. They thought they were gonna make fun of NASCAR Which I do think they sort of paid homage to it, but also made fun of it You know

Matt Loehrer (04:03)
Sure.

Tug McTighe (04:22)
They didn't want to make fun of NASCAR. said, I like the quote, we were real adamant up front that our goal wasn't to make fun of NASCAR. We just wanted to have fun with NASCAR, which I'm not sure is any different.

Matt Loehrer (04:36)
There's one

kind of key point that I want to hit on later and see what you think about it in terms of their idea of NASCAR and the kind of people that like NASCAR. But we can discuss that will come out organically as we go on.

Tug McTighe (04:47)
Yeah, for sure. I think it's important. I

hope it does. Again, so as we always do, I have seen this movie, you have not seen it. So tell me what you knew about this movie before you watched it this last week.

Matt Loehrer (04:52)
I do too.

Okay,

what I knew about this was surprisingly little. knew that it starred Will Ferrell. I knew that it co-starred John C. Reilly, which in my opinion is

Tug McTighe (05:07)
You're right.

Matt Loehrer (05:20)
A good reason to see a movie most of the time. Yeah, he is one of those. He's one of a handful of actors. Who makes? I think everything better. You know, JK Simmons I put in that Paul Giamatti is that for me? And I also knew that Leslie Bibb was featured in this movie, and I don't know if you know this, but she has a longstanding relationship of a decade or so with one of our favorite actors.

Tug McTighe (05:22)
John C. Reilly, 100 % agree.

I do not know this. Enlighten me, please.

Matt Loehrer (05:49)
Do know who that is?

She has been with Sam Rockwell for the last 10 years. They've been a couple.

Tug McTighe (05:55)
Is that right? Sam Rockwell Again, we're gonna mention it probably ever at least every other time We're not gonna do galaxy quest on this podcast because we've both seen it a hundred times Including and up to this morning when I watched the third act The whole omega 13. Yeah, I can't get enough of him in that If you have to go see quests that that might be a for god's sake, please go see this we just do it anyway, but

Matt Loehrer (05:57)
And Sam Rockwell, what can you say about that?

true.

yeah?

I would say that people should go see it if they haven't. Galaxy Quest is great.

Tug McTighe (06:24)
I did not know that. So you learn something every day. So let's let's okay. That's about it.

Matt Loehrer (06:26)
Yeah, so I knew that and I knew it was about NASCAR. That's the fourth thing I knew. It's about

NASCAR and that's it. So not a lot.

Tug McTighe (06:34)
Okay, so again,

precious little, so that's what makes it fun, going into this with no expectations and seeing what happens. So we'll get through this as quickly as we can. Let me start again. Okay, so let's quickly start the synopsis. We're gonna really try not to just scene by scene hammer this, because I wanna talk about some of the stuff that this movie made us think of versus just like, okay, and then they ran down the street.

Matt Loehrer (07:02)
Sure.

Tug McTighe (07:03)
to lead all that shit. Hold on, Sarah's calling me because she's snowmaged. Hold

Matt Loehrer (07:05)
Yeah. OK. no.

Tug McTighe (07:08)
on. Hey.

You need to read the instructions of the... Yeah.

I've never changed those, it's just you're to have to find the button. There's going to be a button on that thing that releases the windshield wiper.

Yeah. Okay. I'm recording this podcast. Bye.

She went to her dad's, I told her not to go to her dad's. Now she's trying to come home and it's starting to do the thing. And she's like, I need to change these wiper blades. And she calls me to see if I can't change it from here, Sarah.

Matt Loehrer (07:48)
Mm-hmm.

it started already.

I'm not sure I could change them if they were here, to be honest. I always end up slicing my hand open, right?

Tug McTighe (08:03)
Right, just, and I told her not to go. I

told her not to go. said, why don't you just this one out? So, okay.

Matt Loehrer (08:10)
Right. So I'm going

to do my best not to talk over you because I think I have a tendency to do that sometimes.

Tug McTighe (08:15)
Yes,

and don't, yeah, that's the other part. We don't need to keep saying right, right, right to each other. Just you say your thing, I'll react, I'll say my thing, you react, 100%. We both do it, so you're not alone. All right, so, Tell A Day, Good Night, Spout A Ricky Bobby opens with Ricky Bobby, who's not even born yet. He's in the car with his mother in her womb. Jane Lynch, the ever funny Jane Lynch, is married to...

Matt Loehrer (08:21)
Yeah, I got a step.

Okay. Okay.

Tug McTighe (08:44)
The also ever funny Gary Cole, who's one of my favorites.

Matt Loehrer (08:45)
spirit.

It's worth mentioning this had a pretty stellar cast.

Tug McTighe (08:53)
100, like from STEM to Stern, like they keep showing up.

Matt Loehrer (08:57)
Sure, to the point that

I think some of these people might have been miscast and we can talk about that too. you had, and also I felt like maybe there were too many people in this movie, but you had David Kechner, you had a cameo by Rob Riggle, you had Jack McBrayer being Jack McBrayer. Amy, two or three, yeah, and she was drunken in all of them. That was her character. And for sure, here's another one.

Tug McTighe (09:06)
Maybe there were.

Yeah, Jack McBrayer. That's right. Molly Shannon shows up for two scenes.

Yeah, yeah, doing her best Molly Shannon, which I'll take.

Matt Loehrer (09:27)
the father, the owner of the racing team, whose name I can't remember right now. Yes, Larry Dennett, senior. The actor who played him was Commissioner Gordon in the first four Batman movies. I thought this guy. Yeah, I thought he looked this guy looks familiar. And I realized he was in.

Tug McTighe (09:34)
Dennett, Dennett Racing.

Something goth. That's right Albert goth maybe Catch in the 1980 Tim

Burns 89 Batman. You're totally right so so Ricky is born in the backseat of his dad Chevelle When his dad's going 100 he's pumped. He's I'm 116 and he drives right He drives right, right. He drives right by the hospital and he slams on the brakes and you hear a wet squelch

Matt Loehrer (09:55)
Yep, that's fun.

That was.

And then he slams on the brakes to make the baby come out.

Tug McTighe (10:15)
And then it cuts to dark. And just again, I think we talked about this off the air. We know we're in for a cartoon now.

Matt Loehrer (10:15)
Squelch is the word.

Right? It was it's it's silly time from the word go, so that was which I kind of appreciated that they. Led with that. I mean, you know what you know you're getting. Sure.

Tug McTighe (10:30)
from from get go right

Yeah, just let us know. You know what you're So,

cut to Ricky's 10 years old. He, or he's probably five or six years old. His mom goes in and get milk. She says something great. Like I'm going to go in and get milk and start just cry. cause the dad's left and then Ricky Bobby steals the car and turns the station wagon and it's like, I want to go fast. I want to go fast. Cut to now 10 years have got by he's 10 or 11 years old. We meet Cal Naughton Jr. Who's his best friend and they've already got the shake and bake.

in their fifth grade classroom where it's career day and Reese, Gary Cole, Reese Bobby shows up and gives a vault out of the blue, right? That's right. And he shows up and gives a vulgar speech in front of the classroom, makes fun of the teacher, makes fun of the school. And then he goes outside and he jumps in the car and Ricky and Caller, of course,

Matt Loehrer (11:15)
I'm the blue, because he's been gone for a decade.

Tug McTighe (11:34)
Enamored of the car and he goes hey remember if you're not first you're last So that then sets Ricky off on his if you're not first your last journey That's

Matt Loehrer (11:44)
There are a couple of things I loved about

that scene. One thing I loved is that he jumps in through Dukes of Hazard style through the window of his car. Yes, and then he yells, I'll see you when you're a grown up. He just kind of lets us know that he's coming back later, but it's going to be a while. And this kid's going to grow up without a father. And then he just he's not even on the street. He drives across the lawn, which I just.

Tug McTighe (11:53)
That's correct. That's correct. The stunt car.

Right.

Right, right.

Yeah, he just drops

Matt Loehrer (12:13)
For some reason I thought that was funny.

Tug McTighe (12:13)
across. Right. And you're like, you're like, okay, we know who this is. And again, now I'm to tell you, are, there are several laugh out loud moments in this and that's good. There are also several, I would say minutes where they're trying to land some jokes that aren't any good in my opinion. We'll get to that too, but this is one of this, I think that absolute absolute time.

Matt Loehrer (12:37)
I wondered how much ad-libbing went on in this.

Tug McTighe (12:42)
I think an absolute ton, which is, and sometimes it doesn't exactly right. So, okay, again, we mentioned they even had the shake and bake then he kept saying, I want to go fast. We know it's in his blood. I'll see you when you're.

Matt Loehrer (12:42)
which is sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't.

and also,

Reese got kicked out of the- they had to drag him out of the school.

Tug McTighe (12:58)
He literally got thrown out of the school, right? Anyways, you were my soulmate. I deserve better treatment than that. And again, Gary Cole is just great in his three or four minutes and everything, right?

Matt Loehrer (13:00)
Yeah, and he told the guy, hey, was in prison. I was in prison with you.

Alright.

He is great.

Yeah, but

he, so he's another one that I'd say this is an actor that I always enjoy it when he, showed up in an episode of Royal Pains, Robin and I were watching just a kind of a medical kind of drama show on the USA Network for one episode. Like he's not too good for that. JK Simmons, same way. They never, they're workman-like actors that are dedicated to the job. They always do a good job and they never say, I'm too good for this job.

Tug McTighe (13:23)
And it's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that-

That's right, and they want to work. They want to go and be the thing. So that's great. we get a cut to, think, 15 years later. This didn't make me laugh out loud, but it made me giggle. Ricky Bobby is working on the pit crew of Dennett Racing driver, Cherry Chaveau. And their main sponsor is Laughing Clown Malt Liquor, which the logo itself is horrifying. So that made me laugh.

Matt Loehrer (13:42)
Yes, I respect that.

Right?

Tug McTighe (14:09)
and Ricky, that's their last place in this race. And it's at, that's Adam McKay who jumps out of the car and he says, I got to take a pee. He's the driver, Terry Shaveau. And he's like, and then they go, they go, he's not coming back. He's eating a sandwich right now. He's like, I'm going to, I want to eat this. I got to make a phone call. Meanwhile, the race is going on. So Ricky's like bullshit. Ricky jumps in the car and ends up finishing in third, despite starting in last place. And then now we are.

Matt Loehrer (14:10)
That was funny.

I did not know that.

Right.

Tug McTighe (14:39)
Montage City So I looked this is about I'm gonna I'm gonna make up a number this is about 12 minutes into the movie like it goes fast to begin No pun intended. It's Yeah To get us to this point where he's a NASCAR driver now. He's in montage. He's he's He's starting to win races he's

Matt Loehrer (14:43)
Yes.

They gave us, I think, just enough to get us to this

Tug McTighe (15:09)
making fans and because it's a montage, it's no dialogue, but it's a lot of music. And there's a lot of really fucking great, would say 2000, early 2000s music in this movie.

Matt Loehrer (15:26)
Yeah, there's a ton. They play Cochise by Audioslave. That was Chris Cornell, who I liked a lot. That was one of his projects at Post Soundgarden. There is Buck Cherry. There is Saliva's Click Click Boom is in there somewhere. Right. So I had a boss that when it's the early days of Limewire.

Tug McTighe (15:44)
did hear click, click, boom at one point.

Matt Loehrer (15:54)
and I was at work and he'd say, hey, make me a CD. Like that was the job he had me do in, you know, in the year 2002. So anyway, all these songs are kind of familiar to me because you'd like, hey, I need you to burn me a CD.

Tug McTighe (16:05)
little nostalgia. This also, yeah, burn me a

CD. And we had that spindle level like 100 of them. And the two

Matt Loehrer (16:13)
Yeah.

So there were some of that very period specific stuff. And again, I think they had a budget to just like license whatever you want. But they also had some great kind of 80s ballads. There was you'll hear Pat Benatar, we belong in this you'll hear faithfully by journey at a certain spot.

Tug McTighe (16:23)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah,

and not covers, right? The real versions of these songs. Yeah, this was a $72 million budget, which a lot of money for a movie like this. Yeah, for sure.

Matt Loehrer (16:39)
Yeah. There's skinnerds in there. For a comedy. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, they wrecked a bunch of cars, I'm sure, but yeah.

Tug McTighe (16:50)
Yeah, so

we get this.

Ricky Bobby becoming NASCAR's favorite son in montage a couple of bits. We see Ricky persuading Dennett Racing to give Cal a car. Cal was working with him on the pit crew and then he gets the old Spice car. Again.

Matt Loehrer (17:12)
And we also get some

information about Dennett's son, Larry Jr., who he doesn't, who the father doesn't care much for and likes and respects Ricky, a lot more than his son, but better.

Tug McTighe (17:16)
That's correct.

Yeah, he's like a son to me, that's

Greg, yeah, but better. And that's Greg German, who is another character actor who's been in a lot of stuff, who always kind of plays that guy.

Matt Loehrer (17:34)
Yes.

He's, I would say, like the shooter McGavin of this movie, kind of. Did you, if you ever saw the Ford versus Ferrari movie, there's a character in that who's basically the exact same guy. He's just, he's there to be a jerk. So he hates Ricky Bobby and we need to establish that because that'll come into play.

Tug McTighe (17:38)
Yeah, 100%.

the exact same thing, right?

That's coming into play pretty soon. So Ricky gets John C. Reilly, Cal Naughton Jr. gets a car. then another, yes, yes, if you're counting, this is at least our third montage where they're rising up the ranks. But we also see, which is important, that they do the shake and bake. And that is where Ricky Bobby drafts. knew nothing about racing, by the way.

Matt Loehrer (18:19)
draft.

Tug McTighe (18:23)
He drafts behind Cal and K slingshots around him and it's a shake and bake. So Cal never gets to win, but Ricky's always winning. He doesn't seem to mine being number two that much, but we'll see what happens. So again, Ricky soars to the top of NASCAR, achieving fame and fortune. Then he meets Carly, Leslie Bibb when she flashes her breasts at him after one of their wins. That was a meet cute I wasn't expecting. Well, first time I saw the movie.

Matt Loehrer (18:50)
Right.

Tug McTighe (18:53)
And then I think within one's.

Matt Loehrer (18:56)
They had to meet somehow

and that seemed like a pretty logical way based on what we know of

Tug McTighe (18:59)
Good enough way and then also

apparently good enough way for them to now be married with two I'm making up and I'm making up a number what ten and a seven year old son

Matt Loehrer (19:09)
Yeah, so they, again, just shot ahead 10 years because we don't really need even the wedding, even their courtship is is X and wedding is expressed to you in the form of like four or five wedding photos and they all have red eye. Remember how we all used to get that? Yeah. So yeah, we don't

Tug McTighe (19:23)
The live red eye right there, which I thought was a funny bit as well, right? It's a little bit like, yeah,

say it again. Sorry, I was jumping on you. Do the, do their.

Matt Loehrer (19:32)
I was too. So we don't

need to spend, do what?

Tug McTighe (19:37)
Talk about the wedding and the wedding and all that.

Matt Loehrer (19:40)
So we don't need to spend a lot of time on how they got to where they are. Just like his childhood was kind of skipped over, his marriage is also kind of skipped over. So they let you know they got married and then they move you 10 years in the future.

Tug McTighe (19:54)
Yeah, it's funny, they show them, there's like five still photos of them at their wedding and they both have red eye in every photo. Yeah, little bit like Forrest Gump, if you go watch Forrest Gump, every time there's a picture, a still picture of Forrest Gump in the movie Forrest Gump, he has his eyes closed. So go look for that little Easter egg. Okay.

Matt Loehrer (20:14)
Okay, yes, I did notice. So back when people

actually used to take pictures of people, that happened for our younger viewers, listeners.

Tug McTighe (20:20)
That's exactly right. Yeah.

So now we meet the sons, Walker and Texas Ranger or TR. They're shithead kids. We meet Carly's dad Chip. And this is a quotable moment, this dinner where the baby Jesus riff.

Matt Loehrer (20:33)
Texas Ranger.

they're terrible.

Tug McTighe (20:48)
The kids are like, I'm come at you like a spider monkey. I'm all hopped up on Mountain Dew. I spent the day throwing chips, war medals off a bridge. These kids are just Southern and douchebags. And he's a terrible dad. He loves it. I tell you what, I'm proud of you son. And she loves him and she's happy that they've got a lot of money. And her dad Chip tries to reprimand him and Ricky's like,

Matt Loehrer (21:02)
And he's a terrible dad, too. He said, that sounds like a pretty good day.

Tug McTighe (21:17)
I love the way they're talking to you Chip, because I'm raising my boys to be winners. Winners get to do whatever they want. And she says, if we want them to be wussies, we would name them Dr. Quinn and Medicine Woman. Which a lot of that is a little bit dated of some dated references, but funny. It's just goofy enough to continue to be funny.

Matt Loehrer (21:40)
There aren't too many of those, but there are a couple references of the time.

Tug McTighe (21:43)
There's a

good one at the end.

Matt Loehrer (21:46)
Yes, I was also amused by her idea of making dinner.

Tug McTighe (21:50)
Yeah, it's all his sponsors like McDonald's and Taco Bell and KFC and Domino's Pizza. Yeah, just on the table. We also get our first sort of tour de force of John C. Reilly and Will Ferrell interacting in a scene where they're just ad-libbing. And this probably goes on for over five minutes, maybe even more, them doing baby Jesus.

Matt Loehrer (21:56)
Mountain Dew and right.

Yes.

longer than you want it to.

Tug McTighe (22:20)
I like the baby. I'd like to think of baby Jesus says we're not Tuxedo t-shirt, which means I'm formal but I like to party and She's like the baby, but you don't always have to refer to him as baby He goes I love the baby Jesus in his little manger in his swaddling clothes and then and then she finally modest them and goes talk about another Jesus and he goes So we pray to you six pound eight ounce Jesus just so some of that is just again these guys at the peak of their powers Nobody's gonna tell them what to do

Matt Loehrer (22:49)
Right, and was it the best dialogue? I don't know that it was. But again, like you said, nobody's going to say, hey, this isn't funny. They're going to say. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (22:59)
And you're here for it. You

bought your ticket for some version of this. All right, so he's on top of the racing world. They win another race. Cal springboards Ricky into the championship. He asks him. They're at the bar afterwards drinking. I think it's called the pit stop, cleverly named. Cal says, could I win one time? No, there can't be two winners. If you're you're not first, you're last. Yeah, OK. And he's like, I'm just going to.

Matt Loehrer (23:28)
I'm out of

Tug McTighe (23:29)
I'll just bury that deep down. Right.

Matt Loehrer (23:31)
Right.

I love that. Like that's not going to come back later. that's fine. I'll just just bury a deep down inside.

Tug McTighe (23:35)
Right, right. No, it's fine. I'll just bury

it deep down. So then a jazz song starts playing on the jukebox and the whole bar is horrified by this music.

Matt Loehrer (23:49)
I think the previous song was Give Me Three Steps by Leonard Skinner. And then there's no needle scratch, but if there were, there would be one here.

Tug McTighe (23:52)
into a

into

a jazz track. This is when we meet, I can't think of his name. sorry. Yeah, this is where we meet Jean Girard, played by Sacha Baron Cohen, another one of our favorites.

Matt Loehrer (24:04)
John Gerard.

Sasha.

I've

never seen, I haven't seen his stuff, which is I didn't see Borat, but I know a lot of Borat. Yeah. So at this point in his career, he had done the Ali G show. He had, and he'd done Borat a couple episodes on, I think televised, but not the Borat movie. Cause that came.

Tug McTighe (24:16)
Okay.

You understand what Borad is, right?

Yeah, think HBO maybe had a

Borat show.

Matt Loehrer (24:38)
Right, so Borat, the movie came after this. So he was also a rising star at this point. And he was, for me, in this movie, really funny. I didn't think I would like him. I don't know why, but I didn't, I thought he would be tedious or weird.

Tug McTighe (24:49)
I agree. I agree.

Well, he's

Matt Loehrer (24:59)
Little booby.

Also, I would say,

go ahead.

Tug McTighe (25:10)
Yeah, so you as an artist, certainly know that he's not jean garrard who is also known as mobius The famous french comic right framus framus comic book artist, but what we quickly learn is He is going to be he is an f1 driver Who's now going to join nascar and i always see going to join nascar. He's been brought here to replace ricky bobby by

Matt Loehrer (25:17)
Yes, Jean-Jean Giraud. Jean Giraud and Jean Girard.

Tug McTighe (25:38)
Larry Dennett Jr., whose father has now passed, he's like, it's my team now. And he says, but I hate you, Ricky Bobby. And I'm bringing this guy in to replace you. So I think that's, again, that's that. I like you better than he's like my son. He's like you, my son, only better. We also see that John Giroux is gay. We learned that he has a husband named Gregory, who is played by Andy Richter in a lovely bit part.

Matt Loehrer (25:55)
Right.

Is he a dog?

a professional German Shepherd trainer?

Tug McTighe (26:09)
German Shepherd

trainer. But this is, yes, in fact, the beginning of a 2006-era gay joke marathon.

Matt Loehrer (26:18)
Yeah, which was a real. I don't want to say.

I don't want to say a problem for me. It wasn't funny. I don't think it landed. Maybe it did then, but it doesn't today.

Tug McTighe (26:28)
I don't think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't today, and yeah, don't, again, I subscribe to the Ricky Gervais camp of like anything can be made fun of and anything can be be turned into a joke, but you want it to be funny. And it was just was like the fact that Ricky Bobby is a Southern American stereotype trope, and he rejects homosexuality.

isn't like, you have all this NASCAR fodder, you have hip and you have Wilfred. So it's just, it fell, it fell flat a lot for me again, just.

Matt Loehrer (27:07)
It completely fell flat.

I thought it was so much funnier when they made fun of his Frenchness than anything having to do with the gay. The French stuff was hilarious.

Tug McTighe (27:12)
Yes, 100%. He

breaks Ricky Bobby's arm because Ricky Bobby refuses to admit that he likes crepes. Even when he's like, no, crepes are delicious. They're just like thin pancakes. And Jean Giroud says, if you just say, like thin pancakes, I won't break your arm. No, no, you French fuck, I'm not. And then he breaks his arm. Right.

Matt Loehrer (27:23)
but he loves grapes.

He wants to do. He breaks his arm so

now he can't race. Here can be one second. Break.

Tug McTighe (27:42)
That's right. So. Yes.

When you come back, we'll do an ad.

call the boss real quick.

You're not picking up. Okay. So, all right. So yes, you go.

Matt Loehrer (28:27)
I thought that was.

I think you can go. We can just start where we were, like pick up from there. He broke his arm.

Tug McTighe (28:36)
Yeah. So this

is a, there's yes. Hold on please.

We're taking a quick break, I just wanna check on you.

Alright, are you just gonna go back to your dad's?

Well, I'll call you when I'm done.

Okay. So we, we established that there's this new driver. He's been brought in here by Larry Dennett Jr. Cause Larry hates Ricky Bobby. He's French. there's all that, comedy potential and he breaks Ricky Bobby's arm, making it so Ricky now can't race in the next couple, couple races. So

He's desperate to regain it. they re then we quickly realized that John Jarreau is really good at racing. So,

Matt Loehrer (29:44)
Right, the

scene where he is driving and drinking a cappuccino through his helmet was great.

Tug McTighe (29:48)
Yes, yeah.

Again, back to the French jokes, because then at one point later in the movie, he's reading La Trajure, The Stranger by Albert Camus, while he's driving. While he's driving, right? right. So Ricky has to, he's like, I'm in trouble. This guy is really good. So he's trying to regain his dominance. pushes himself too hard during the next race. After he's cut his cast off.

Matt Loehrer (29:58)
That was also great. He's one hand driving and he's reading the stranger with his other hand. That was great.

Tug McTighe (30:18)
and he ends up going airborne and has a big bad wreck and he had gotten himself another sponsor. Do remember what that sponsor was on the windshield?

Matt Loehrer (30:28)
Oh, it was Fig Newton. He covered his name, covered, completely obscured his view, but he said, but I do love Fig Newton.

Tug McTighe (30:29)
Yeah, but it was like three quarters of the windshield.

That's right. I do love

Fig Newtons. So that was, I thought one of the, one of the few funny, I would call it in car, in helmet jokes. There's a bunch of comments when they're driving, like over the radio jokes that I'm like, that aren't very funny. So.

Because it's hard, they're in a fucking car like driving and the camera's just on a, you can't even see their face. So you hear them, they're trying to make a joke like, ha ha, you see that? I'm gonna go left and you thought I was going right, ha ha. Like some of them are that stupid. Now some of them are funny, like the Fig Newton, because he says this was a bad mistake and dangerous, but I do love me some Fig Newtons. So that part's pretty funny. This is when we first meet Molly Shannon.

Matt Loehrer (31:25)
It was pretty funny.

Tug McTighe (31:31)
who's Larry Dennett Jr.'s wife and she's just blown out drunk every time. This is one of the...

Matt Loehrer (31:37)
Yeah, I didn't,

I didn't find that funny. I'm not like offended by it, it just wasn't funny.

Tug McTighe (31:40)
Didn't find it amusing. Yeah, it might be my Yeah,

it might be my Molly Shannon just I'm sort of a I'll just watch her doing whatever she's doing and she makes me happy But it is a definitely one trick pony. It doesn't and it doesn't add anything because we already knew he hated Ricky Bobby, that's the only thing that really matters on the plot. He could have been unmarried. It wouldn't have mattered

Matt Loehrer (31:51)
You're a closet fan of Molly Shin.

Exactly.

It makes me wonder how many people could have been left out of this movie that were included, presume, because they're friends, not because the script called for it, not because the story required it, because

Tug McTighe (32:14)
Sure Sure Hey, why don't you come

out here for a half a day and we'll bang this thing out for you, right one of those

Matt Loehrer (32:21)
Yeah, or hey, we

can put Molly Shannon in this movie. She's got some, you know, star appeal of sorts. So she could have been omitted.

Tug McTighe (32:24)
Right, right.

So this here starts one of my favorite sequences in one of my first laugh out loud moments. When Ricky wrecks the car, I'm laughing now and he jumps out and he's in his he's in his you know, his driving suit and and they go he's like, I'm on fire. I'm burning up and like Rick, you're not on fire. He's not a fire. You're not on fire. And he runs behind the car and then a clever edit. He runs out.

Matt Loehrer (32:47)
Right?

Tug McTighe (32:59)
And now he just says his helmet eyes in his underpants. And that makes me laugh because Will Ferrell is very willing to show his weirdo body. And he has a bad, he has that weird scar, but he's running. He's like, help me Jesus. Help me Jewish God. Help me Tom Cruise. Help me Ali. He's just right. And then Lucius, who we haven't even talked about Michael Clark Duncan, right? Michael Clark Duncan who did, was great in this and I wouldn't recast him, but he goes, man, how do you get out of his clothes so fast?

Matt Loehrer (33:01)
Right.

Yes.

it

Yeah.

Tug McTighe (33:29)
And that made me laugh. then he runs and then, and then they, then it's the two, they're like, go get him and they go get him and then he breaks free and then he's running up and down the track again. So that, that part, that part made me laugh. That part made me laugh.

Matt Loehrer (33:44)
Yeah, I think Will Ferrell is always willing to strip down to his tighty-whities and run around. No, not at all, and they're always white.

Tug McTighe (33:49)
Yeah, yeah, they're tiny whites, they're never boxers.

Yeah. get, also get this, maybe it's not our first instance, Matt, but similar to dodge ball, where they keep cutting away to the NASCAR announcers who, when I looked it up, it turns out these are really the NASCAR, NASCAR guys. Like, like, you know, like, you know, in, the replacements or even in the water boy, whether they'll cut away to the, like in, the, the movie, the replacements, which have you seen the replacements?

Matt Loehrer (34:06)
Mm-hmm.

I figured.

was Jean Hackman in it? not the replacement killers. I haven't, no, I have not seen the replacements, but I know of it.

Tug McTighe (34:26)
Yeah. And Keanu Reeves? No. So

yeah, so they keep cutting to Pat.

Matt Loehrer (34:35)
Actually,

that features one of my favorite underrated actors, and I don't know why I love him so much, Orlando Jones. Orlando Jones, I thought he was great. Anyway.

Tug McTighe (34:42)
Orlando Jones, he had a nice run. Yeah. Yeah. So

they keep cutting away to the Pat Somerall and John Madden who are NFL Hall of Fame announcers, which makes it funny because it's really them. I guess, I guessed it was the real guys, but I think it would have been funnier if I'd have known.

Matt Loehrer (34:59)
Right.

That's what I wrote a lot of commentary from the announcers. I wonder if it's funny if you know who they are. It's kind of like if you have a movie where they're like, oh, here's Wolf Blitzer and here's George Stephanopoulos playing themselves commenting on what's happening in the movie. I don't tend to love that, but at least when you know who they are, it gives you some context. You're like, oh, wow, that's Wolf Blitzer. But yeah.

Tug McTighe (35:07)
Yeah, right.

Right, that-

Yeah, there's a context clue, right? Okay,

so Ricky Bobby has run around the track. He's not hurt, but he's clearly had a mental breakdown. And now, yes, and now we cut to him with the doctors. What is, he's at the doctor and they're all talking, they're like, talk to him. He's not really in a coma.

Matt Loehrer (35:33)
Yes, he thinks he's on fire and he's not.

Right.

Tug McTighe (35:52)
He can hear you

and Cal Naughton Jr. is like, I won't let you know I needed the money I post for Playgirl, I never told you. But you probably didn't notice, ever note, because I called myself Mike Honcho, which Mike Honcho made me laugh. And then there's a series of bits where they're visiting him, like he's playing wheelchair basketball. And they're like, he's fine.

Matt Loehrer (36:18)
They said, will he walk again?

Tug McTighe (36:21)
He just found

that wheelchair out in the hall. And then you see him kicking the guy with his leg and all this. And then, so now comes my second big laugh of the movie is when he says, they're like, you're fine, Ricky Bobby, you can walk. You need to decide you're gonna get better and be better. He's like, I'm paralyzed. And then he's like, I hope your sons lose their legs.

Matt Loehrer (36:24)
Right.

Tug McTighe (36:49)
And don't ever, and then Michael Clark Dougher goes, don't you let that evil on me, Ricky Bobby, don't you let like that? All this is really great. This is really great stuff. And then he's, he goes, I'll do it. They're like, do not stab yourself on the leg. It's really going to hurt. And he stabs himself in the thigh with his knife and he's like, and it's real, but that's not what made me really laugh. That's the fact that they're trying to pull the knife out and Michael Clark Dougher goes here, let me grab another knife and I'll put it in and.

Matt Loehrer (37:05)
They wait a beat though.

Right?

Tug McTighe (37:18)
Like I'll pry it out and then you see them just working this other knife in this knife.

Matt Loehrer (37:19)
Try it out.

No, you gotta cut around the

meat. That was funny. That was really funny. So that was a laugh out loud moment for me too.

Tug McTighe (37:30)
So I this was

a really, really great bit.

Matt Loehrer (37:36)
And

I think you needed Michael Clark Duncan in that role to do that.

Tug McTighe (37:41)
Don't you let that even on me, Ricky Bummey. That was

came out of nowhere, because I did remember that from the other times I'd seen it.

Matt Loehrer (37:46)
And I've never seen him do anything but serious acting. So.

Tug McTighe (37:49)
Right,

So that's a great whole scene. And then after this, he's like, okay, you guys are right. I gotta get better. But we cut to now another montage. So Jean Giroud is winning every race. And this is when he's drinking cappuccino. He's drinking cappuccino. This is when he's reading The Stranger while he's driving.

Matt Loehrer (38:05)
Right. yeah.

Right, because

Ricky Bobby thinks, hey, you know, they're just going to be glad to have me back so we can win again. And they kind of make an awkward, awkward moment. He's really good.

Tug McTighe (38:15)
That's what they're like Frenchies really yeah, the Frenchies really good,

right? So then he goes out to Rockingham Speedway and to test it to just see how it feels and He's driving and there's other drivers are driving. He's like he's like I'm feeling pretty good I'm back out there and they cut to go how fast he's going. He's going 26 miles an hour And so Ricky Bobby has lost his mojo He cannot get a spot back on the team

Matt Loehrer (38:36)
You're right.

Tug McTighe (38:44)
And this is where, wow, he really has a bad moment in his life when Carly, his wife says, look, I'm a driver's wife. I don't work. And so she gets Cal and Cal he's at the racetrack. Ricky Bobby drives home. He fucks up on the track. He's not got back on the team and he goes back to his house and Cal's already there with Carly. They're going to get married.

And Cal has taped a picture of Cal's face over the family portrait above the fireplace. Yeah, they're playing Jenga. The kids are all involved too. And Ricky Bobb- It's been three hours!

Matt Loehrer (39:20)
They're all playing Jenga together. thought that was funny. Family game night.

Right, it just happened. that was funny.

Tug McTighe (39:29)
Right,

that all that was, and then he can't like Cal, this is a great part with Cal. He's like, and we want you to be at the wedding. You got to be my best mate. He's like, well, you stole my wife. Like he can't understand it. No, he can't understand that Ricky's mad. So this is Ricky's probably the midpoint of the movie here where all is lost or this is the false false winter false loss.

Matt Loehrer (39:41)
He just doesn't get it. You can't make the connection there.

Tug McTighe (39:56)
where Ricky and Walker and Texas Ranger moved back in with Jane Lynch, Ricky's mama.

Matt Loehrer (40:02)
So would you call this the second act then?

Tug McTighe (40:05)
Yeah, this is the middle of the second act. This is middle of second act where there's either a false victory

Matt Loehrer (40:08)
Okay. So yeah.

Right.

Tug McTighe (40:15)
and they have to lose here pretty soon or there's a false loss that they will end up overcoming and that's what I think this is. So no, no, since the, since the, since the wet splurt.

Matt Loehrer (40:21)
Alright, so we haven't seen Jane Lynch since she gave birth. First.

Or the stolen car. Episode so there were two versions of this and somehow I saw them both, because I watched this twice the first time I but I pirated on the Internet on Internet Archive. Which was great until it started to just spin and spin and spin, so it took me awhile to get through it. The second time I actually rented it and there were there was a different version.

Tug McTighe (40:30)
right

Okay.

Yeah, just,

Matt Loehrer (40:51)
So we'll get to part of it that was different later, which I think was better in the one I saw, which was probably the unrated version. But the theatrical version was the one with Ricky Bobby is six or whatever and steals the Gran Torino station wagon that drives it down the street. So is that the version you saw?

Tug McTighe (40:59)
Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's when I watched that was on peacock.

All right, so they move in with Lucy. She's a disciplinarian and she's gonna whip them into shape. One of them says, you're gonna break us like a Bronco, aren't you? She slaps him in the face. So then Ricky gets a job delivering pizzas. Why don't you talk about the third laugh out loud moment? Because you had it on your list and so did I. So Ricky, it was lit. And by the way, these are two of the oldest tricks in the car.

Matt Loehrer (41:27)
She slapped him in the face. I was like, those kids needed that.

That was hilarious.

Tug McTighe (41:46)
comedy books.

Matt Loehrer (41:49)
just slapstick stuff so he's got a pizza to deliver

and he gets in his vehicle and backs into a woman right behind him.

Tug McTighe (41:59)
Yeah, in her

cart, there's a great bit of business where everything in her cart like flies like 50 feet.

Matt Loehrer (42:06)
Hey, he needs a really sorry and so the sheriff comes and gives him a ticket He says I it won't happen again officer. So he's looking behind him and he puts the car into gear He drives forward and he hits the seat. It's the sheriff The guy that just gave me tickets

Tug McTighe (42:10)
Sheriff's giving him a ticket.

He runs over the top, right? So yeah, so

the looking behind you to pull out, to reverse and going forward, or the looking, it's just classic and it works great here. So then, yeah, he did those great stunts and then cut to, he's riding like the Huffy dirt bike I had in like 1978. Oh, so funny. So yeah, that's...

Matt Loehrer (42:34)
It was really funny. He hit the guy really hard. And then cut to the next scene. He's riding a bike. The kids bike.

Exactly. That was really funny.

Tug McTighe (42:50)
Again, I would, the, and this is only occurring to me now, which is the joy of this podcast for me. These bits that we think are the funniest were scripted and some of the stuff where they ad libbed, I'm like, yeah, could have done without it. You know I mean? Like that bit of business, you can't add that because you got to do the stunts. And that would, that was a really funny sketch they wrote, you know,

Matt Loehrer (43:19)
Yeah, 100 % agree. I

and I feel like the ad lib stuff. You can tell you like they have lived. They were just making this up so I feel like you can do. You can have great ad libs right? But I don't think you can. Like bank having a bunch of that and saying I will just keep this. It'll be hilarious, because it's him.

Tug McTighe (43:25)
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah,

yeah, not not not all of it again and that's part of it not all of it lives that's why when you when you see in the credits like in any of the credits with the bloopers or they'll show it'll be that the nine when they're ad libbing a line there'll be like eight of them and and and some of them would funny and some of them wouldn't be so funny

Matt Loehrer (43:54)
Right.

Yeah, they ad-libbed a bunch of that Baby Jesus stuff. John C. Reilly had 10 or 15 versions that he just wrote this out. So it's improv stuff.

Tug McTighe (44:04)
Exactly, okay,

so Ricky's life is at its lowest point and who shows up when he's grown up? Reese Bobby. Reese Bobby comes back and says, you're in a shit, Right? So now he, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (44:15)
His dad came back!

He said he would.

it's worth noting to wait, I don't want to forget this.

Ricky Bobby has been leaving two tickets at the gate or every race for his in his dad's name, hoping he'll come someday.

Tug McTighe (44:32)
Every race, right, for his dad. That's right. Really important. There will be a callback.

So here's what Reese does. In his best karate kid impression, teaching Ricky Bobby how to drive again by telling him to drive with the fear. And then there's a montage of sorts where he's...

put a live cougar in the car, right? And there was, he was fighting, he was fighting with the, it's clearly a puppet. When it's on him.

Matt Loehrer (45:03)
That was funny. And the next one was funnier.

Right, right. You gotta drive

with you gotta drive with the fear is what he told.

Tug McTighe (45:16)
Right. then

yes. And the second one, the blindfold is funnier because again, it's a stunt and it's a bit of business and it, crashes two cars and it goes up into the house and he goes, man, we can better, he goes, he goes, we better get scattered, skied out a quick friends. Frank's gonna be pissed. And it's Frank who's been yelling at them to shut up the whole movie. So yeah.

Matt Loehrer (45:25)
I'm

It's a neighbor, right? So yeah,

he thought he blindfolded him and he thought he would have some kind of Zen like power to drive down the street and it worked out just like you thought it would. He he hit every car on the side and before he drove up the guy's lawn and crashed his house. I don't know why that was so funny, but it was. OK.

Tug McTighe (45:39)
Right.

Right. So no, I found it really funny too. I laughed. was, I was

giggling at that as well. we get a moment where he's sleeping on the couch and Cal calls him and just wanting to be his friend going, Hey man, right. And he's like, Hey man, Hey man, do you know how to turn the stereo up and also the TV up at the same time? Cause I can't figure it out. And he goes,

Matt Loehrer (45:54)
Maybe it's just me.

Bye.

Yeah, like he can't understand why Ricky's mad at him.

Tug McTighe (46:16)
Well, first of all, you just push, wait a minute, you're in my house. He goes, and also, why do you want to have the stereo on while you're watching the TV? So it's just this nonsense, really. Yeah, he says, it's a new house. It's just creaks and cracks. But then he hangs up. goes, and he goes, I'll call you tomorrow. I'll talk to you tomorrow. And then what do you hear?

Matt Loehrer (46:20)
Right?

So I love the bit about how the house is haunted.

Hey

Get out.

Tug McTighe (46:39)
Get out!

Never brought back, never called back.

Matt Loehrer (46:44)
Right, I thought that was pretty funny. Yeah, there was a lot of that. Man, I hate you. I'm never going to talk to you again. Alright, well I'll talk to you tomorrow. Yeah, I'll talk to you tomorrow. It's kind of for them. They're pretty dumb.

Tug McTighe (46:46)
So.

Yeah, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Right. They just they're so dumb, which is beautiful.

Then Ricky Bobby sleeping and he gets a bucket of water thrown on him and then another bucket and then like a third.

Matt Loehrer (47:01)
That made me laugh

too. So he's awake. It's his dad. His dad throws up. And he's sleeping outside on a like on a on a chase line. So he gets a bucket of water thrown on him and then he gets a second bucket of water and he's like why are you throwing water on me? You know you gotta get up and then he throws the third bucket and he says why did you throw that? He says why at three buckets? That was great.

Tug McTighe (47:05)
And he's, it's his dad, it's Reese waking him up. Chase lounge or something,

And he said, I filled up three, right? So

there's some of, again, some of that really lands. Okay, so hold on.

Matt Loehrer (47:37)
Yeah, right there.

Tug McTighe (47:37)
so now Reese and Ricky recommit to the training. he Reese, Ricky finally regains his confidence by out running and out smarting the police in a high speed chase. So after he's woken him up with a bucket, he said, Hey, by the way, I, I called the cops and I told them, that there's a kilo of cocaine taped under your car. So you better get moving. He's like, what the fuck? So Ricky gets in the car.

Matt Loehrer (48:02)
You got about five minutes.

Tug McTighe (48:06)
He starts a high speed chase with the cops. He goes fast again. He's like, ooh, I'm going fast. He gets himself back, slams on the brakes, hides. And then he gets under the car and he ditches the cops. gets under the car and it turns out it's a bag of Lucky Charms. And Reese's left him a note, says it wasn't cocaine, but you got your fast back. You don't snort these Lucky Charms. So good news is he's outrun the cops. He's got his mojo back. But again,

Matt Loehrer (48:21)
Right.

And don't snort it.

Tug McTighe (48:36)
The win is short lived because they're going out. Ricky's got his juice back. The whole family, including the kids and mom and dad are going to Applebee's to celebrate and everybody's having a good time and Reese is starting to get upset because it's too perfect for him. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (48:54)
Yeah, he's a commitment phobic kind of guy.

But he sabotages relationships and he does that again.

Tug McTighe (48:59)
That's right.

Yeah. He gets in a fight with the waitress and then they leave. And now we get to a really important plot point where, where, Ricky's like, dad, I tried to live my life from your mantra. And he goes, what mantra? And he goes, you're either first or your last. And he goes, son, that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. When did I say goes, you said it to me when I was 10 back in school. And he goes, man, I was high. Right. So

Matt Loehrer (49:26)
Right.

Tug McTighe (49:27)
He goes, and by the way, it's not even,

Matt Loehrer (49:28)
I gotta stop doing coyote.

Tug McTighe (49:30)
yeah, he goes like that. He goes, was doing all this peyote. goes, by the way, it's not even accurate, because you can be first, second, third, fourth, even fifth. So it's just this, again, silliness that I find charming. So then he leaves, and he goes to have a beer. And here's a really important part we're getting to. He goes to have a beer, and Amy Adams shows up.

Matt Loehrer (49:42)
right. Yeah, so his life is based on a lie. So he feels bad about that.

Tug McTighe (49:58)
his former assistant, who we only ever saw, I think once when he accidentally autographed her head. Maybe we saw her twice. All this autographing. Right.

Matt Loehrer (50:09)
Wait, I thought that was funny too. The autograph his autograph was terrible. It wasn't even an autograph.

It was just him stabbing at someone's you know with it with a marker and he autographed a baby's head and then she showed up and he asked if she wanted him to autograph her head. So I thought that was pretty.

Tug McTighe (50:20)
with up sharpie. Yeah.

Right, so Amy Adams, she's really good, really funny, really talented. She's been in a bunch of great shit. She's not been in this movie for the last hour. And of course, you now know she quickly gives us the exposition of, after you got sick, I went and got a job for marketing at NASCAR. And then she just immediately goes off on this coaching encouragement speech for Ricky Bobby about

Your whole life, you were racing for them, for your dad, for this, for that. She goes, you need to race for you because you love it, this and that, and the other thing. then you hear what kicks on in the jukebox is Faithfully by Journey. And now you know that they're going to get it on here and fall in love. But she says, look, you don't need to live up to the expectation of those around you. You need to race for you.

He said, you know, they want me back and I'm not going to do it. She goes, you've got to do it. It's, it's, it's what you were put here to do. You're supposed to go fast. And then they have sex on the table in front. He says, look away cause we're going to make some animal noises. And then they do. Right.

Matt Loehrer (51:41)
And they actually do make animal noises.

I don't know if you feel the way I do. I feel like she was miscast in this.

Tug McTighe (51:49)
Yeah,

wouldn't call it miscast as one. Fine. Take away, how about this? Take away four minutes of that living crap in the beginning of the movie, in the middle of the movie, and put a scene with her in. Which I wonder, it may have been cut out because this is already, look, this movie's already 150. This movie's 150. If I were in charge, this movie would be like 132.

Matt Loehrer (51:58)
Mm-hmm.

that, yeah, give her reason to be there.

It's interesting you say that. I wonder how many things. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (52:18)
There'd be 93 minutes of this instead of 110 minutes, maybe not 110. Yeah, it's a lot. There are.

Matt Loehrer (52:23)
Yeah, I agree. Well, there's a lot of montages. But yeah,

I wonder how much and actually will come to something later that I'll ask you about that. I'm just like they just didn't use it's on the cutting room floor somewhere. And that's, why this line doesn't make sense. Or that's why this character can suddenly be in love with this guy, even though they barely interacted.

Tug McTighe (52:35)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just

Yeah, all we needed

was one scene where she told somebody that I'm starting to get a crush on him or I think I love it, right? Which is, right, exactly, right? so don't tell. So they go to the race, he decides he's gonna do it. And then there's a bit where he's gotta get the band back together. And Lucius has now started a car wash.

Matt Loehrer (52:52)
Or she does something that shows that she cares more than, Right, show don't tell, right?

With his face, like he's got a full blown business. He's got a big sign. It's like Lucius's car wash with his face on it.

Tug McTighe (53:15)
Yeah.

Yeah, Lucius is

pole position car wash or whatever. And this woman comes out, like just a woman in her Toyota, and they start taking the tires off and everything. Like, guys, it's just the car wash. Just, we gotta put the tires back on. We're not gonna pick her anymore. So I thought that was pretty funny.

Matt Loehrer (53:21)
Right.

It's not it's not a pit stop. And there's a

Jack Jack McBrayer has a bit there. Where he says I'm sorry Lucius, it's just a habit like stalking an ex girlfriend.

Tug McTighe (53:44)
Which is absolutely, Which is a, what, again, whether it was scripted or whether it was written or unwritten or ad libbed, that was a Jack Brayer classic Jack Brayer bit. Or Jack McBrayer, I always wanna call him Jack.

Matt Loehrer (53:45)
Like they just, it's kind of funny, but.

Yeah, so I love

yeah, so I do the same thing. So I love that they're on board and then Lucius says, hey guys, we're racing again. But he just leave his business. He's got a legitimate business like. I mean, he must have put some money into putting that together and got like a different one.

Tug McTighe (54:07)
We're back,

They just leave his business. That's right. That's right.

Yeah. And by the way,

again, if I were to do a timeline of this on a Gantt chart, I don't know how long it took him to launch that business, but Ricky Bobby's really only been gone about six weeks, I think in total from the, from the scene. But, so then we get back, we don't get back yet to the, to the, to the racetrack, but we, Ricky says he's coming back. He goes and meets with, Jean Giroud at Jean Giroud's

Matt Loehrer (54:24)
Right.

I was impressed. I was impressed with you.

Tug McTighe (54:46)
mansion for some reason Elvis Costello and most deaf are there to which you knew it didn't make any sense because then Will Ferrell tells you who it is. He says was that Elvis Costello and most deaf? I knew it was Elvis Costello. I did not know who most deaf was.

Matt Loehrer (54:57)
Right.

I did

because I saw a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and he was in

Tug McTighe (55:07)
There you

go. But what happens is he meets with Giroux, who tells him, I wanted to quit. I came here for you to beat me. I needed for someone to dethrone me, me the superior driver, so that I could retire. And I think he and Gregory want to start a currency that only animals can use. that?

Matt Loehrer (55:32)
They want to move to Stockholm. Yes, that was

I made a list of weird things that he said and that was one of them. We want what everyone wants to move to Stockholm and create a currency to be used by cats and dogs. He had a couple of lines that were. And maybe again, maybe this was of the time. Where you could just I was I'm thinking of the movie Goldmember. No, no, no, no, no, not gold member. I'm thinking of the movie.

Tug McTighe (55:44)
Nobody wants that. That's dumb. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (56:02)
Austin Powers where Dr. Evil tells his backstory and it's really weird and specific. And I wonder if that was a kind of like humorous motif at the time. Like say something that makes no sense and it's kind of wacky and crazy and people will repeat it. Like maybe it becomes the thing that you say.

Tug McTighe (56:09)
Yeah. Yeah.

yeah, but it's super specific and yeah.

Yeah, I was placed in a burlap bag and

I was placed in a burlap bags and ritualistic get beaten with reads. It's pretty standard stuff really. Right. He says all that stuff.

Matt Loehrer (56:31)
Right.

Yeah. So maybe that's what this was. But there are a couple of Jean Girard, we can say him at the end, think that's further down the list of things that he said that were kind of crazy. But maybe they

Tug McTighe (56:46)
Yeah. So say that again.

So, so there's a couple of John Gerard, you say that things that I, we can talk about at the end that I think were that way. say that again.

Matt Loehrer (56:55)
Yeah. There were a couple

of Jean Girard comments that he made that were just weird, but kind of funny to me. One was, and then maybe I said this earlier, he's Hakuna Matata bitches when he's in the race. I that was funny. And the other was, and now the matador shall dance with the blind shoemaker. It doesn't mean anything, but I thought it was kind of funny.

Tug McTighe (57:09)
Right in the car for no reason right right

Right, which, okay. Right.

Yeah. So they get to the race. The team has rebuilt Ricky's car with spare parts from all the other cars. Like all the people donated spare parts for Ricky so they could build his car. They've also painted it with the Cougar on the, on the hood. And it says me, cause he's racing for me.

Matt Loehrer (57:39)
Yeah, he says

what what company is me and she says no, it's me. So there's a scene later where she says that she was the one that painted the car. Like is that on the cutting room floor? we can cut this out.

Tug McTighe (57:41)
Right, it's you, right, it's me.

Yes, that's why I put the, okay. Yeah, right. Exactly,

exactly. We also get a moment where he sort of starts to make amends, like real amends with Cal.

Matt Loehrer (58:05)
Right. They also do a thing where they tell him Jack McBrayer is dead. That Glenn's dead and he but he's not.

Tug McTighe (58:05)
they have a little moment. So

Yeah, yeah, Glenn. he... Glenn, you're supposed to stay

behind the thing. We just wanted to give you some extra encouragement, Ricky.

Matt Loehrer (58:19)
Yeah, so that was the thing that they put in there.

Tug McTighe (58:23)
So here comes the third act, big final race. He's, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (58:29)
Hey, go back and

talk more about you started to talk about how he makes amends with Cal. Start with that and.

Tug McTighe (58:37)
Okay, okay. So they rebuilt his car with all these extra spare parts from all the other racers. He has to start at the very end, at last, he's got to be the last position. And right before the race, he sees Cal and they start to kind of make amends. Ricky kind of apologizes, Cal doesn't understand why he's apologizing. But there's, yeah, he goes, I'm gonna keep acting tough.

Matt Loehrer (59:02)
I thought that was funny.

Tug McTighe (59:07)
I don't understand what you mean. So when I figure it out, I'll let you know." And then he goes off to race. So, and then we get that when he's in the car. So, right, we get him working it out. But, right.

Matt Loehrer (59:18)
He's talking to his guy like, why

would somebody that I cheated with his wife apologize to me?

Tug McTighe (59:22)
Right. Apologize

to me. And he's like, I think you need to focus. Well, maybe it's because he secretly feels guilty and maybe you secretly feel guilty. He's getting a little therapy in the car. So this is as they're driving, right? Giroud is out to a big lead, of course. but Ricky starts doing Ricky's thing because he's got his mojo back and he, he passes everybody. He's now in second. And it's, it's, Jean Giroud, Ricky and Cal, one, two, three, and then Dennett radios down to the new driver.

Matt Loehrer (59:29)
Well, psychotherapy,

Tug McTighe (59:52)
for his team and says, no, sorry, he, he radios down, then it radios down and tells Cal to take Ricky out of the race. And Ricky's like, I'm not going to, that's my best friend. I'm not going to do it. So he doesn't do it. And then Dennett calls down to his new, his other guy on his team and tells him to do it. And he does it. He hits him. He knocks Cal out of the way, et cetera, et cetera. And then starts a, creates a chain reaction that takes out everybody except for Rick.

Matt Loehrer (59:58)
Right. And Cal says, that's my best, tell him that's my best friend.

except...

Tug McTighe (1:00:20)
Except for Ricky Bobby and John Giroux, of course

Matt Loehrer (1:00:23)
Right. It's Gerard.

He started calling him John Geru. John Gerard is his name.

Tug McTighe (1:00:28)
Chanterelle, Girard.

And then your callback you mentioned earlier about the tickets. Reese, the dad, walks up to the box office. Oh, you get a little tear in your eye, says, does Ricky Bobby leave me some tickets? And he goes, these tickets have been waiting a long time for you, the ticket guy, these tickets have been waiting a long time for you to come pick them up. And he goes, that's awesome. And he turns around and he goes, I got two tickets, 60 bucks a piece. Right, just very funny, very funny.

Matt Loehrer (1:00:52)
That was pretty great.

Tug McTighe (1:00:56)
misdirect. Very cool,

Matt Loehrer (1:00:58)
Gary Cole being Gary Cole.

Tug McTighe (1:00:59)
right? So, sorry, I forgot. Of course they do the shake and bake. And that's what allows Ricky Bobby to get to be number two. Cal and the rest of them are wrecked. So it's just the two of them in the final, final lap. So they are rubbing and they wreck and they flip and they both get out of the car and they look at each other.

and Ricky Bobby starts running, because they're just on the straightaway. And now they're foot racing down the track to the finish line. They sprint, they dive. We see that John's fingertips are barely behind the line and Ricky Bobby's are right over the line. So Ricky Bobby wins the race. Right. Just run faster. Just run faster. So they run through.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:45)
I don't know why they dove. I feel like if you just ran through it, run through it, don't just dive.

Tug McTighe (1:01:56)
And unfortunately, we learned they're disqualified for getting out of their cars. So who was number three at the time? Al Naughton. So now he wins his first win. So he went from three to one. And then, yeah, so then he wins by default. And you mentioned that this was your back to your two versions. You mentioned that there was some discrepancy that you noticed.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:59)
Right.

That was Cal. You finally.

He finally gets to win.

Yeah, so there was a longer post race. And maybe this was the unrated version. Victory Road. Yeah, and Leslie babe shows up and she wants to get back with Ricky Bobby and he doesn't want to do it and

Tug McTighe (1:02:24)
at Victory Row where there's Trigga Champagne and all that.

Right, because

he's in love with Susan now.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:37)
Yeah, and he says she says something like, well, you'll never see these again. And she flashes him and Keckner and maybe McBrayer, these characters that are in their pit crew, they pull their phones out and are taking pictures. And they do well, they don't show it, but they show like her from behind. And then they're taking pictures because Leslie Bibb would never do something like that.

Tug McTighe (1:02:55)
Okay, there we go. Yeah, maybe that was the unrated right? gotcha.

Right, right.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:07)
But then he says, man, you're right. Now I can't do it. And she says, OK, one last time and then they come out again like from behind and it's taking pictures again. It was pretty bit and then. Amy Adams steps up. And she says he doesn't need you, cause I got these and she flashes Leslie Bibb. They don't show that, of course, cause it's Amy Adams and Leslie Bibbs like that's pretty impressive. I gotta admit.

Tug McTighe (1:03:15)
that's funny. That's a funny bit. Yeah.

Right.

So again, more bits, right? More bits. then, okay, so Ricky and Cal repair their relationship and everybody's families are back together. Ricky, Lucy, Susan and Walker, Texas Ranger, Walker, Texas Ranger. That's hard to say. They see Reese in the parking lot and they all get in the car.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:35)
So that was what they included, which I don't know if they made it better or worse.

Tug McTighe (1:04:03)
And they go say, hey, let's go get thrown out of an Applebee's together. was, yeah, there was a funny, funny line in that that I thought Amy Adams delivered well, which was, he goes, cause I got you and I got my mojo back and I got my lady. She's like, I'm his lady. She goes, we had sex earlier and Reese goes, I wish I'd have been there to see that.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:06)
Yeah, and drive into the sunset.

How does he say that? I remember she said that.

Tug McTighe (1:04:27)
That Shawn was watching with me and Shawn.

Yeah, yeah, I wish I wish I'd have been there to see that. I thought that part was funny.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:33)
Well, that's where

she says so she said I'm his lady. I painted the car. We never got an explanation for that. I suspect there is something about her painting the Cougar on the car that they just said we don't have time for this or this doesn't make me.

Tug McTighe (1:04:36)
Yeah!

It's just like, this thing was like, you

know, two hours and 40 minutes and they had to get it down, man, right? So, so there we go. So the family's back together. Ricky's back to the top. He's got the lady and his family and his boys are great. And he's got his dad back and there you go.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:51)
Right. Right.

No, is he in and then the post credits they did a couple more. Like fake commercials.

Tug McTighe (1:05:07)
The end. Yeah, post credits. When there was a, we didn't go

over it, I don't think, but there was an earlier in the movie, one of the montage scenes was like, they're tampon ads, machete, yeah, like a big knife ad. There was a Chinese, you speak in Chinese, or probably gibberish, prune candy.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:23)
Machete ad.

Yeah.

Big red, the big big red. If you don't like it, fuck you. Which I which I actually am a big big red fan has always my favorite of the disposable the quick gums. So yeah, they did a bunch more of those as opposed credits, you know, little fake commercial for stuff.

Tug McTighe (1:05:38)
Fuck you! Right. You're a fucking idiot. Yeah.

There you go, cinnamon gum. So.

Yeah, just a

bunch of that stuff that they had gone over.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:58)
and

more stuff from the baby Jesus prayer.

Tug McTighe (1:06:00)
more stuff, which was, you know, already there's already 13 minutes of it. felt like, yeah. So what'd you think?

Matt Loehrer (1:06:04)
Right. OK.

Tug McTighe (1:06:09)
Cause I have thoughts.

Matt Loehrer (1:06:11)
I think we tried to focus on the best parts, which is always a good thing. There were a lot of not great parts and you just said something near toward the end that made me think it's it does seem like. Bit after bit after bit not necessarily connected. Let's throw all these against the wall and see what sticks. Hey, this might be funny, but just disconnected. It seemed like a bunch of bits. It didn't have a plan.

Tug McTighe (1:06:38)
Yeah, I agree. it wasn't as... Now look, we just spent an hour talking about like, and we were laughing pretty good at laughing at ourselves, laughing at the movie, but it was five times. It was six times. That doesn't mean there's not other amusing shit in there. There is other amusing shit. But I'm gonna tell you right now, I couldn't stop laughing at fucking Anchorman. And in two years time, I'm still laughing at fucking Step Brothers.

Matt Loehrer (1:06:47)
Right. Right.

Tug McTighe (1:07:07)
And I mean, from A to Z, Anchorman was tighter than this. This was nobody can tell him what to do. then, right? then, Step Brothers is tighter than this. And better, that makes it better. It's tighter, it's not as joke, of course there's jokes. But it's not as just rapid fire, sort of like, you this, you're not.

Matt Loehrer (1:07:18)
Yeah, tight's a good word.

Tug McTighe (1:07:36)
When you're seeing this, not looking, you're not trying to see the naked gun, which you're like, all right, they're going to send 7,000 jokes at me and I'm going see if they land. But again, a lot of bits that I think taken out of context, the cougar thing is pretty funny. Taken out of context, some of this is pretty funny, but you're trying to, you know, they've got a story you're trying to land. And again, I just think it was just, you know, he was directing it. Will Ferrell was at the peak of what Will Ferrell was worth, probably at that time.

Matt Loehrer (1:07:53)
Yeah.

Tug McTighe (1:08:06)
Cause then he follows this up with Blades of Glory, which is terrible, which is the ice skating movie, not a great cast. And then Semi Pro, which is he's the basketball, the minor league basketball and then step brothers lands. then unfortunately that they screwed up land of the lost real bad after that, which I wanted to be better. But again, point being tighter is better even with the ad lipping and even with the so right.

Matt Loehrer (1:08:10)
I didn't

didn't see it.

yeah.

Yeah.

There was

Tug McTighe (1:08:36)
Right? Get rid of your bad bits. And these are S &L guys who know what a good sketch is, and they know what a bad sketch is. And I don't need it.

Matt Loehrer (1:08:40)
that's what I was gonna say.

Yeah. When you fall in

love with everything that comes out of your mouth, you're like, Oh, we got to keep all of this. Well, I mean, you know that 80 % of it's not great, right? If you're lucky, um, which tells me just like work harder, just do more. Um, maybe they were in a hurry. Maybe they didn't care. Maybe they said it will give you a bunch of money and it doesn't matter if it's a piece of crap or maybe they had low expectations. mean, to your point, when you go in saying the whole, this is it.

Tug McTighe (1:08:51)
Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah If you're lucky, yeah

Yeah, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (1:09:16)
Will Ferrell as a NASCAR driver is the sum of its parts. That's everything. There's nothing else. Then there's not a lot to build on there. mean, there could be, there could be, but if you don't go in with a little more focus than that, I think that's what you're going to get as a

Tug McTighe (1:09:27)
then that's what you get, right? Right?

And I need to go back.

Like, I don't know who wrote, like, I think McKay directed Anchorman, but I don't know if they wrote it. Like, Anchorman is tighter. Again, I'm gonna keep saying it. It's a tighter screenplay. And this is just too, I didn't remember it being as loose. And it was loose because there were, to make the pun keep going, the loose ends of Amy Adams' character. The loose ends of...

I did this that you never saw me doing and again, it's just frustrating. It becomes frustrating as a film watcher when you're like, well, they kind of, I'll suspend my disbelief, but it's kind of a, kind of a tone break, you know? It seems lazy. Or again, you can just like, like you said, you fall in love with what you're doing. And by the way, much of it is funny. I was laughing out fucking loud at that knife scene. Maybe if I just cut the meat, make it bigger.

Matt Loehrer (1:10:14)
Seems lazy.

Yeah, they didn't just disappoint.

Tug McTighe (1:10:29)
If we make it bigger, that'll be better. just, right? Just, yeah, you got pry it out. So $72 million budget. mean, this is two guys in Kansas city. made 163.4 million. Well, you know, so this was a successful bit, but again, I just think, I think I remember, not, I think it was a successful movie for them by anybody's counting.

Matt Loehrer (1:10:31)
That was great. Just gotta pry it. You put this one in and then you pry the other knife out.

Tug McTighe (1:10:59)
I just remembered it being funnier than it ended up being.

Matt Loehrer (1:11:03)
Yeah. And one other thing that we didn't, we talked about, we didn't spend a lot of time on it. I can't overstate how many gay jokes were kind of in this, but at the same time, Will Ferrell's character, but Ricky Bobby isn't established as a homophobe. we don't have any reason to think he would be. So that was what I was getting at the beginning where I think there was just this understanding. I mean, if you're a NASCAR fan, you hate gay people. So this will be.

Tug McTighe (1:11:12)
Yeah.

No he's not.

Right,

right, that right. Yeah, which again is I think too.

Matt Loehrer (1:11:33)
Hilarious.

Tug McTighe (1:11:41)
dismissive of the audience and and if that how about this if the jokes were funnier I wouldn't be complaining

Matt Loehrer (1:11:47)
Probably true. Yeah, absolutely. They just weren't good.

Tug McTighe (1:11:49)
But they weren't funny. They just said they said

gay words. they're gay. OK, so yeah. But where? Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (1:11:53)
They said gay words. Yeah, that's that's the bit I guess.

There was no payoff for any of that.

Tug McTighe (1:12:04)
No, no. So

then that makes you, again, you're like a little bit lazy. Write a funnier joke, right? So the big question, it was a cinemass. Now it's a cinemake. I know that doesn't quite work, but we're going to go with it. Are you glad you saw it?

Matt Loehrer (1:12:11)
Right, work harder.

Okay.

I'm not unglad I saw it. Would I recommend it to people? Probably not. If somebody said, I've never seen, you know, Talladega Nights, Legend of Ricky Bobby, should I spend the time on it? I would say if you want something funny, there are probably better, there are already better Will Ferrell movies.

Tug McTighe (1:12:41)
There are other choices. If you just want to

stay in the Will Ferrell averse, go watch, like I've watched Step Brothers 25 times. I'll never stop watching it. Because when you get a line like, this is a house of learned doctors and you're a curly headed fuck, it's unbelievable.

Matt Loehrer (1:12:50)
Sure.

Yeah, he was I liked him in Lego movie because I loved Lego movie. So I liked everybody in it. Going back to some of the people that were in this, John C. Reilly, Jane Lynch and Jack McBrayer would come together to be in my favorite Pixar movie of all time, Wreck-It Ralph.

Tug McTighe (1:13:06)
Right.

which is

he's Fix-It Felix, Jack McFrey is, right? Fix-It Felix, that's right. I can fix it, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (1:13:22)
He is, well, he's fixed it Felix Jr. I can fix it, but I love that movie. So

there was a lot of great talent in this film. I don't think it was put to great use. I'm not sad I saw it. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. And it's funny, it's interesting to me that we're having this conversation because I kind of thought these would all be movies that we'd say, these are incredible. But this is one that apparently is not, but that's okay.

Tug McTighe (1:13:49)
No, that's right. Yeah,

the point of, by the way, the point of this podcast when we conceived it was not, I'm gonna win you over or you're gonna win me over. The point of the podcast was I didn't see it and then see it and we decided it was any good. Yeah, and this is fine. It's a fine, it's a... So we are going to see The Private Eyes, which is a 1980 Don Knotts and Tim Conway comedy.

Matt Loehrer (1:14:03)
All right. Yeah. So what are we seeing next time?

Tug McTighe (1:14:18)
that was made I believe by some offshoot of Disney. They made all those Disney movies in the late, the Apple dumpling gang and the Private Eyes is a slapstick goofball of its time, 1980, Tim Conway and Don Knotts tour de force. They're like Sherlock, like the dumb Sherlock Holmes and Watson and they have to go solve a series of murders.

Matt Loehrer (1:14:45)
And you loved this movie from your childhood, correct?

Tug McTighe (1:14:48)
I

love my brothers and I love this movie from our childhood and I believe the only place we can watch it is on YouTube because we found it a couple years ago like in its entirety on YouTube so I'll search up where to find it.

Matt Loehrer (1:15:01)
Right. Well, I will watch it and I've never seen it. So we'll see what we think next time.

Tug McTighe (1:15:05)
Yeah.

All right. Well, I am tug.

Matt Loehrer (1:15:10)
I'm Matt.

Tug McTighe (1:15:12)
And if you cinema missed the movie, you can rectify that by finding it on any of your major streamers or Amazon or even some of your friends might have the DVD. this is Tug and Matt signing off. Thank you for listening to cinema misses. you did.

Matt Loehrer (1:15:30)
Sorry, I ruined that. We

also have a Twitter site. You can find us on Twitter at at Cinemisses and on Instagram at Cinemisses. I think it's the same for both.

Tug McTighe (1:15:43)
Okay, so let's do that whole thing again.

All right, so I'm gonna, you go, hey, you say hey, find us on social at.

Matt Loehrer (1:15:56)
hey, find us on social at what now? We started to talk.

Tug McTighe (1:15:59)
Okay,

do your, no, you're gonna do it. I'm not gonna talk. You're gonna say, hey, follow us on social at blank blank blank blank and then stop talking and then I'll jump in.

Matt Loehrer (1:16:11)
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Tug McTighe (1:16:25)
All right, thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, everybody, for listening. And I really appreciate you listening to what we're doing here. That was really terrible, but we're going to go with it. And then, thanks, guys.

Matt Loehrer (1:16:26)
Thank you, Doug.

All right, thanks everybody.

Tug McTighe (1:16:43)
I'm going to cut some ads that I didn't do. I'm going to cut them in. But I want you to hear them. I will see you. All right.

Matt Loehrer (1:16:46)
great.

Okay.

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Matt Loehrer (1:17:38)
Awesome, love it, thank you.

Tug McTighe (1:17:40)
Yeah, all right, buddy, that was a good one.

Matt Loehrer (1:17:43)
I think so. We'll have a lot to cut out. Is it easy to do? Do want me to do it?

Tug McTighe (1:17:48)
It's easy. We should get together and do it together one time, and I'll show you how to do it. It's not. The hard part is that as I hear it, I never want to hear it again. Because you're hearing so much of it. Yeah, I got it. But no,

Matt Loehrer (1:17:53)
All right, maybe we can do the next one together.

so many times and you've cut it up and. Yeah, I know we got

stuff to cut out, but I mean we're at 118. I bet we've got plenty to cut out so. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (1:18:14)
100%. No, there's a lot. we

did a better job of cutting it, and we're both feeling better, so it was just more energetic.

Matt Loehrer (1:18:23)
Yeah, and I think we're not talking over each other quite as much.

Tug McTighe (1:18:26)
Yeah, I agree. I'll find Private Eyes. You'll like it. It's so stupid.

Matt Loehrer (1:18:30)
Okay, I can't wait. All right, thanks buddy. Bye.

Tug McTighe (1:18:32)
See you buddy. Bye.