CINEMISSES! Once Upon A Time In Hollywood

In today's conversation, Matt and Tug delve into the intricate layers of Quentin Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood," exploring character development, cinematic techniques, and the film's unique narrative style that is a hallmark of Tarantino's work. They discuss the emotional struggles of characters like Rick Dalton and Cliff Booth, the portrayal of Sharon Tate, and the film's commentary on violence and morality. The hosts also highlight the cultural references and historical context that enrich the story, culminating in a climax that reimagines a pivotal moment in Hollywood history. Ultimately, they reflect on the film's optimistic resolution amidst its darker themes. Helter Skelter it is not, but you will want to join our cult IMMEDIATELY after listening.

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Tug McTighe (00:00)
you're listening to Cinemisses, a podcast about movies that one or the other of your two hosts just never got around to seeing. I'm Tug.

Matt Loehrer (00:07)
I'm Matt.

Tug McTighe (00:07)
And we are reminding you that anybody can make a podcast about movies they have seen. We're here because we haven't. So thanks for joining us on Cinemissas and Action. So you've got a little story to tell me about our, not about our movie, but it's adjacent to our movie. It's about the director of the movie we're reviewing today.

Matt Loehrer (00:26)
So when Pulp Fiction came out in 1994, I remember going to the movie theater in Campus Town, Ames. I was a college student at Iowa State And I mentioned this to my good friend, Sean Lipford, who's a friend of the show, one of our several, I would say even maybe dozens of regular listeners. Thank you, John. Who I saw it with, and to my surprise, he said he didn't see it with me at all. That he didn't even see it in Ames, like when it came out right away. So for 30 years, I've had this

Tug McTighe (00:41)
Who doesn't?

Matt Loehrer (00:53)
alternate history in my mind where he and I went to see Pulp Fiction and loved it and talked about it. And it was this, you know, pivotal point in our lives of watching movies. But it didn't actually happen this way at all. And the reason I mention this is because the movie we're talking about today is also a Quentin Tarantino movie that tells a story that plays with history and gives us an ending to a famous Hollywood story that in reality turned out tragically different.

Tug McTighe (01:17)
Yeah, yeah. So the movie is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I had seen it, Matt had not seen it. I've seen it several times and I enjoyed going back to watch it. I too was run over. I was run over by pulp fiction like a steamroller. Hit me, backed up and hit me again. It's like the end of Naked Gun when the steamroller rolls over the bad guy and then the marching man steps on the bad guy and then the...

truck runs over the bad guy. I got kicked in the teeth by Paul. And I actually had seen, I had rented, I'd heard about this director, Quentin Tarantino, right? was just blew up in like 93, 94. And I went and rented reservoir dogs from the movie store. And I turned on reservoir dogs and I was eating dinner. It was an evening, a weekday. And I was boiling some water to make macaroni and cheese.

And I got so fucking enthralled by the movie that I let all the water boil out of the pan. And after the movie, I went in there and the pan was red hot, Matt, like, it was like shaking like on the burner. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. So yeah, I have a, I have a history with Quentin Tarantino. Yeah, it's blown away. Took my brother to see pulp. He was only 16 when pulp fiction came out and we were both like,

Matt Loehrer (02:28)
Yeah, it was like nothing I'd ever seen.

Tug McTighe (02:29)
And if you can't

see me, I'm just making a shocked and astonished face. Everything from the content, everything from the gangsters, everything, the violence, the blood, the time jumps, the out of whack story. I was 24 when he came out. I'd never seen anything like it.

So, okay, so what's about a time in Hollywood, Matt? What did you think you knew?

Matt Loehrer (02:51)
As usual, I did not know a lot going in. I just missed this one. I thought it involved Brad Pitt and possibly Leonardo DiCaprio, which turned out to be correct. I thought Brad Pitt played a stunt man. And I thought it was set sometime in the late 60s or early 70s. And I was pretty sure it was very long because you told me that it was. And everything else, which you know, I love this, was a complete surprise to me. So I was excited.

Tug McTighe (03:13)
That's right.

And yeah, and this is a weird, another stunt man, right? We've got now this our second movie about stunt men, The other one being the fall guy, but it's interesting that these two main characters are best friends, I would say. And it all happened because Cliff Booth was Rick Dalton's stunt guy, stunt double forever. All right, so the log line.

Actor Rick Dalton gained fame and fortune by starring in a 50s television western, but is now struggling to find meaningful work in a Hollywood he doesn't recognize anymore. He spends most of his time drinking and palling around with Cliff Booth, his easygoing best friend and longtime stunt double. Rick also happens to live next door to Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate, the filmmaker and budding actress whose futures will forever be altered by members of the Manson family. Well, that's what happened in real life. Didn't quite happen that way in this film, but we'll get to that for sure.

Matt Loehrer (04:04)
Yeah, they definitely, these movies always defy classification. It's humor and drama and some suspense and a lot of action and gore and you name

Tug McTighe (04:13)
Yeah, you get a little dose of everything with him, There's always blood, there's always some violence. It's really just a sort of gumbo, man, of, I mean, guess calling it a comedy drama is accurate. It's pretty funny in some moments and pretty unfunny in others, It was produced by Columbia Pictures and associated with Bona Film Group, Haiti Films, and Visiona Romantica.

Matt Loehrer (04:26)
yeah.

Correct.

Tug McTighe (04:35)
and distributed by Sony. It's a co-production between US, United Kingdom and China. That's another thing. We haven't much talked about China's importance to the global movie market, but it's really important. Features a giant ensemble cast as all Tarantino movies do. Featuring, as you said, Leo, Brad Pitt, Margot Robbie, which I think she's really, really good in this. Set in 69 Los Angeles, we follow the fading stunt double and the fading actor in his stunt double.

And Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is an interesting title, wouldn't you say?

Matt Loehrer (05:03)
Yeah, it's an homage to Sergio Leone. he's an Italian filmmaker who invented spaghetti westerns. And there's a great line in here where Rick has an opportunity presented to him to go make spaghetti westerns in Italy. And he's like, no, everybody hates spaghetti westerns. Nobody wants to see those, which is funny because Tarantino obviously just loves them. ⁓ So he was a huge influence on Tarantino.

Tug McTighe (05:25)
loves them. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (05:28)
And he's made films called Once Upon a Time in the West and Once Upon a Time in America. So this was following.

Tug McTighe (05:33)
Very good. So yeah, we talked a little bit about, which when I look at this list to say that, mean, Tarantino talk about coming out swinging with reservoir dogs in 92, pulp fiction in 94, Jackie Brown in 97 was really, even though he wrote the screenplay, right? He always writes the screenplays. ⁓ that was the one that was adapted. The only one I think that's an adaptation was adapted from, ⁓ Elmore letter novel, rum punch. ⁓ yeah.

Matt Loehrer (05:57)
loved that movie. Jackie Brown was awesome. I loved

Robert Forster. I loved everything about it.

Tug McTighe (06:00)
only ever

I only ever saw that one when it came out I need to revisit it Matt. ⁓

Matt Loehrer (06:05)
But kind of the exploitation

films of the 70s, you can tell he just loved

Tug McTighe (06:09)
Yeah.

And that's why he brought Pam Grier out of cold. You know, nobody pulls people out of cold storage like Tarantino, right? He pulled Travolta out of cold storage. He pulled Bruce Willis out of a little bit of a gulag. He pulled Robert Forster, who you just mentioned, out of the where are they now Ben? Pulled Pam Grier out of the way. Just because he loved, I mean, the guy is a student of movies. He loved those movies and he loved those actors. So he puts them in his movies.

Matt Loehrer (06:12)
Right.

Tug McTighe (06:34)
2003 and 2004 Kill Bill 1 and 2, I love Kill Bill. 2002nd one's better because it's more Tarantino-y, it's a lot of talking. Death Proof in 07, which was part of the Grindhouse real exploitation flick that he made with Robert Rodriguez. Inglourious Basterds in 09, which is fantastic. Django Unchained in 2012, which is really a tough go, but it's a great movie. 2015 The Hateful Eight.

Matt Loehrer (06:38)
I saw the first one, I never saw the second one.

Yeah. All right. Very good.

Tug McTighe (06:59)
I feel like the hateful aid is the weakest of this bunch. Um, and then once upon a time in Hollywood in, uh, 2019, so screenwriter and director on all of the above. Um, and it's also important to know that Quentin, when he was making his way, when he was becoming Tarantino, he wrote or punched up or, you know, uncredited script doctored a lot of stuff, including he wrote the story that natural born killers.

was based on, that was Oliver Stone. He wrote True Romance, which I think Tony Scott directed, great movie by the way, True Romance. He wrote From Dusk Till Dawn, which is not a great movie, but it's fun movie. He did an uncredited rewrites on Crimson Tide, the submarine movie, The Rock, and even the SNL bomb, it's Pat.

Matt Loehrer (07:43)
It's Pat. Did it's Pat have a Mexican standoff in it? Because if it did, that's his end.

Tug McTighe (07:46)
If it did,

if it did, that's a Tarantino staple for sure.

Matt Loehrer (07:51)
going back quickly to Kill Bill Volume One. This was pointed out in another podcast, I think probably rewatchables. But if you look at the female characters in that movie, the assassins, they're all basically the characters that Uma Thurman talks about in Pulp Fiction from Fox Force Five. You you got a demolitions expert, you got a knife expert, you got a karate expert. So they basically made that movie.

Tug McTighe (08:08)
Mmm.

Matt Loehrer (08:13)
into a movie.

Tug McTighe (08:14)
Yeah, liked, yeah, Fox Wars 5, liked his little pilot that she was in, Mia Wallace was in, he turned it into Kill Bill. I love it, I never noticed. And that's so totally true, oh my gosh. So yeah, so 2017, this was announced. This was the first film that did not involve Bob and Harvey Weinstein, very well done, Quentin for ending his partnership with those fuckheads. Right, that was after all that sexual abuse.

scandal and him going to jail and all that. know, then of course it's Tarantino, so there's a bidding war. Again, Sony Pictures finally met his demands, including Final Cut. He's gonna get Final Cut. He's not gonna let anybody else edit his film. And then ⁓ all the people joined the cast between January and June of 2018, so he had it on the rails pretty fast. Principal photography lasted from June through November around LA. All in LA, once again, another movie that has LA as a character.

like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. With the final film to feature Luke Perry, 90210's Luke Perry who died on my birthday March 4th, 2019. And the movie is dedicated to his memory so I like that.

Matt Loehrer (09:17)
That was tragic. Yeah, he died of a stroke and he was younger than I am now. So that kind of hits home. And he was busy. I looked at his IMDB credits and he'd been doing things so busy. And I realized he's always an ecology minded guy. He was reportedly buried in eco friendly mushroom burial suit, which the manufacturer says can remove polluting toxins from the body while naturally breaking it down. So good on him.

Tug McTighe (09:41)
Well

done, Dylan McKay. We'll miss you forever. I also like that Tarantino isn't judgy about these actors either. He's like, man, I love Luke Perry in 90210. I'm putting him on fucking movie. Previered at the Cannes Film Festival in 2019. We'll see actually released in US on July 26 and in the UK on August 14. It was quickly named by the AFI. That's the American Film Institute that you and I'm at.

Top 10 films of 2019 won a Golden Globe for best picture comedy once again those Golden Globe category those Golden Globe categories are a little wonky ⁓

Matt Loehrer (10:09)
comment.

I wonder how

much it has to do with the competition. If they say this was such a good movie, but there were other great movies, I don't see what was happening in 2019, you know, it could be anything. So let's shoehorn it into this comedy category so we can make sure it wins.

Tug McTighe (10:20)
Yeah

Right, right.

Like the bear on Hulu about the chef keeps winning comedy. it's, whew, it's not exactly a comedy. It's kind of funny. It's not a comedy. It's funny. It's not funny. Not funny. Ha ha funny. ⁓ Me too. Me too. I like it, but it gives me agita. ⁓ It was nominated for 10 awards at the 92nd Academy Awards, winning two Best Supporting Actor for Pitt.

Matt Loehrer (10:31)
Yeah, they call that a comedy.

No.

That show creates anxiety in me. mean, I like it. I watch it all, but I'm like, ooh.

Tug McTighe (10:52)
Best production design. Once again, Tarantino is a genius at getting these guys Oscars. So that's just yet another reason to work with him. This is the dumbest award ⁓ you'll ever hear. The Writers Guild of America ranked the film screenplay the 22nd greatest of the 21st century. OK, great. And he said that this is the favorite movie he ever made. that's his love letter to Hollywood.

Matt Loehrer (11:09)
so far.

Tug McTighe (11:15)
because he adores Hollywood, right? I want to read the novelization that he wrote, his first novel, just a novelization of this that he wrote that dives a little deeper in some of the characters. And then a sequel is being made now, Matt, The Adventures of Cliff Booth, written by Tarantino and directed by David Fincher with Pitt in the lead role. ⁓ that's, me too. That's bringing Pitt and Fincher worked on Seven together and Fight Club together.

Matt Loehrer (11:30)
I'll watch that.

Tug McTighe (11:39)
They've got an interesting creative partnership there. The tomato meter, 581 reviews have an 86. And the popcorn meter, 25,000 plus ratings, 70%, which seems light to me.

Matt Loehrer (11:50)
That seems pretty low. I wonder how many people just couldn't get through the movie, which to me don't get me wrong. I it for it's a two hour and 41 minute movie and it flew by for me. It did not feel the Godfather felt much longer than this.

Tug McTighe (11:56)
Yeah!

Yeah, it was quick. It was quick.

Godfather 2 felt longer, lot slower, right? ⁓ $90 million to make, again, this feels like a decent budget for that, maybe a little high, but it's a lot of Hollywood and a lot ⁓ of 60s cars, but made almost $400 million. So this was a big giant hit by anybody's counting.

Matt Loehrer (12:07)
Yeah, and I liked it, but yeah.

Yeah, look at that cast.

Okay, so the cast we had Leonardo DiCaprio as Rick Dalton. He took a pay cut on this to just work with Tarantino. Usually he was commanding $20 million movie and he did this for the low, low price of $15 million. Right? But I don't think Tarantino had a problem paying it so. We had Brad Pitt as Cliff Booth. Margot Robbie, who you mentioned as Sharon Tate.

Tug McTighe (12:37)
mean, how sweet of him.

No.

Yeah, every time I see her, Matt, I like her more. She has a lot of range and I think she's really good in this. And I think she's had to work pretty hard because she is a genuinely beautiful Hollywood star. She is a beautiful blonde hair, blue eye, that sort of central casting, Hollywood starlet. So I think she's had to overcome some of that blonde bombshell cliche. Obviously, unfairly, I think she's really fucking good.

Matt Loehrer (13:11)
Who's great in this? Emile Hirsch as J.C. Bring. I will say he was in the last thing I saw him in was in the Wachowski Speed Racer movie. And I love that movie. Matthew Fox from Party Five was his brother, Rex Racer, aka Racer X. I thought it was a lot of fun. Everybody else seemed to hate it. I think if you look on tomato meter, it's it's rotten. But ⁓ I thought it was a blast.

Tug McTighe (13:19)
I remember it.

Maybe we'll cover it. I never saw the whole thing. And I loved, I loved Speed Racer when I was a kid. my goodness gracious. The Mach 5.

Matt Loehrer (13:36)
Well, you should!

Yeah, it wasn't

perfect. were some things that didn't quite hit, but I liked it. Margaret Quali as Pussycat.

Tug McTighe (13:48)
Yeah, she's this was an early role for her. And now she seems to be everywhere. And we're going to say that over and over again here in a minute.

Matt Loehrer (13:53)
Yes, Timothy Oliphant is James Stacey. I love that guy. He's basically playing his Raylan Givens character from Justified. This was supposed to go to Bill Paxton, but he died, sadly. ⁓ Timothy Oliphant, did a little internet research on him. He's married to his college sweetheart. Just a, I think just a straight, narrow dude.

Tug McTighe (14:04)
untimely.

down to earth dude and yeah he's good he's really good he was actually in a movie with emil hersh do remember this one he was the the girl next door it was i can't think of the woman's name but she was a she was yeah she was a foreign star and then he was the pimp and emil hersh was the high school kid that was a cute movie as i recall yeah yeah

Matt Loehrer (14:24)
Alicia Cuthbert, I think.

I remember the movie. know I didn't see it, but I remember it. ⁓ Okay.

Julia Butters is truly Trudy Fraser.

Austin Butler, S-Tex.

Tug McTighe (14:38)
Another early performance by Austin Butler who has exploded, He was ⁓ Faye Ralpha in Dune. He was Elvis in the Elvis movie. He's in a new movie with Zoe Kravitz. I mean, this kid came out of nowhere again and Tarantino saw him early and put him in this and now he's a giant star.

Matt Loehrer (14:55)
Yeah, everybody. Dakota Fanning is Squeaky From.

Tug McTighe (14:58)
Yeah, Squeaky Fromm, One of Manson's key acolytes. I know that Squeaky Fromm was one of Manson's key acolytes, because my dad, rest him, was a true crime junkie. And he knew a lot about Charles Manson after reading the book Kelter Skelter. And though she wasn't involved in the actual murders, fun fact, Matt, she wasn't involved in the Tate murders. But she did attempt to assassinate President Gerald Ford in 1975.

Matt Loehrer (15:19)
Probably had it coming.

Tug McTighe (15:20)
History books!

Matt Loehrer (15:21)
⁓ Owen Harrison as Dennis Wilson, I don't remember him in the movie.

Tug McTighe (15:24)
I remember one, maybe one scene.

Matt Loehrer (15:26)
Okay. And that's interesting because you had a lot of characters in this movie, tons of characters, and they'd maybe get a line, they'd get maybe no line. It's crazy. Bruce Dern as George Spahn, he owned the ranch. Yeah, that movie, that role was supposed to go to Burt Reynolds, but like Bill Paxton, he died.

Tug McTighe (15:28)
Lotta one.

Yeah, yep, yep, Laura Dern's father, that's right.

He died. Yeah.

He had him ready to go, but they didn't make it that far.

Matt Loehrer (15:48)
He did.

I think he was on set like he was he was around. He was going to do this. So. That said, had Mike Mose, Bruce Lee, Luke Perry, we mentioned. Mike Mo. Yeah, that was really cool. Luke Perry is Wayne Maunder. Leo said How starstruck he was to be on set with one of his acting idols as a young actor. And they had great conversations about Hollywood in the past.

Tug McTighe (15:56)
Great, great, great character. A great five minutes. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (16:12)
each taken in their lives. just think that's so cool. You know, if Luke Perry had known that Leonardo DiCaprio, possibly the biggest star in the world, or one of them, idolizes him. That's pretty cool.

Tug McTighe (16:23)
I love that he got a chance Leo got a chance to talk to him and let him know right I love that that's that's great

Matt Loehrer (16:28)
Yeah, very cool.

Damian Lewis is Steve McQueen. What did you think about his performance?

Tug McTighe (16:33)
I mean, it was great. took another two minutes, right? And Damien Lewis is Band of Brothers. He's in a lot of stuff, too. He's like an elevated that guy. Like, he's Damien Lewis. He's not that guy, but he does a lot of character bits. Yeah, I like that one scene.

Matt Loehrer (16:47)
Yeah, and it's struck me how much he really kind of looks like Steve McQueen. Crazy. ⁓ Al Pacino chewing scenery as the agent.

Tug McTighe (16:51)
Yeah, yeah, when you go back and look.

Right? ⁓ boy. Just,

again, two or three scenes.

Matt Loehrer (17:00)
It was great. I'll go through these a little faster. Nicholas Hammond as Sam Wanamaker. Do you remember who that is? Nicholas Hammond? He played Spider-Man in the 1979, 1977 to 79 Spider-Man.

Tug McTighe (17:05)
I do not.

yes! He looks so familiar! ⁓ the old Spider-Man! great

Matt Loehrer (17:15)
Damon Harriman is Charlie. He played Charles Manson in the Netflix show Man Hunter, which was great if you have not seen it. Yeah, and he was also in justified. He played Dewey Crow. So cool to see him. Lena Dunham somehow is in this is Gypsy.

Tug McTighe (17:22)
Sarah McTighe loves that show.

there you go.

Yeah, I can't stand her. You know how you just have a thing about some actors and actresses? I've tried to watch Girls. I've tried to get into it. I just find it and her to be insufferable. ⁓ Again, it could have been anybody. Again, one scene. No offense, Lena Dunham fans.

Matt Loehrer (17:42)
I never even.

Sure. Speaking of people.

Yeah, people that blew up. Mikey Madison, S80.

Tug McTighe (17:52)
Oh yeah, she's everywhere now. She got nominated for an Oscar. Maybe she won.

Matt Loehrer (17:56)
I think she might have. She was one of the daughters in Better Things, which was an FX show created by Pamela Ablon and Louis CK, who you don't hear much about him as much anymore. But it was kind of cool and a look at life as an actor and voice actor in Hollywood. You know, I love voice actors. My hawk was in it. Daughter of Ethan Hawke.

Tug McTighe (18:04)
You got Weinstein too, yeah.

Yep, Stranger Things,

right? Important daughter of Ethan Hawke and one of Tarantino's early muses, Uma Thurman, for sure. Sydney Sweeney has a couple of lines. She was at the door.

Matt Loehrer (18:20)
right? Sydney Sweeney, the

Yeah, she's looking pretty rough.

Harley Quinn Smith, that's Kevin Smith's daughter. And I only mention it because her name is ridiculous. And that's a ridiculous name.

Tug McTighe (18:32)
Yes. Yeah.

She's literally named Harley Quinn.

Matt Loehrer (18:37)
It's just bad. There's a character in I'll nerd out for one second. There's a DC character named Black Bolt and his full name is Blackagar Boltagon. It's just moronic. So anyway, this is like the DC version of that. Rebecca Gayheart, the fresh-faced noxema girl from the 1990s. Can ⁓ you play it? She was. ⁓ And Kurt Russell, I don't want to skip over him. He had a

Tug McTighe (18:46)
Right. ⁓

100 % yep she was the wife in the scene yep Clips wife

No, not

at all. He was dynamite in this. Had a couple seats. He was the stunt coordinator, Randy. And then, inexplicably, in the third act, we get a narrator. And he is the narrator. It works,

Matt Loehrer (19:10)
Yeah, it works for me.

Very good. Michael Madsen had a cameo as Sheriff Hacken on Bounty Law. Thrilled to see him. And then I, yeah, exactly. And then I just want to mention Cory Burton. He is a voice actor. I love voice actors. He was the voice of the Bounty Law promo announcer. And he's one of the most prolific of all time. If there were a Mount Rushmore of voice actors, it'd be Billy West, Don Messick, June Foray, who was

Tug McTighe (19:17)
Yep. Rest, Tim.

Hahaha

Matt Loehrer (19:37)
Rocky from Rocky Bull and other things and Corey Burton. The one name I don't see is Martin Cove. Do know who he played? He was the main bad dude, the head of the Cobra Kai dojo in Karate Kid.

Tug McTighe (19:40)
Right.

No, I do not.

⁓ my gosh, yes! Martin Coe, yes!

Matt Loehrer (19:55)
He had a he had

a bit role. an amazing cast and so many great actors who were in it for just a hot minute and didn't get much of the way lines. But they did the job and they were great. And it's like life. You think of all the people that you encounter in an average day and interact with and you may not see them for another month or another year or ever. Everything felt genuine. And I didn't feel like there was a lot of ego in this, like people saying, I need more lines or I need to be there just there for the job.

Tug McTighe (20:21)
Yeah, I think, I think when you get the Tarantino call, you go and he's got a bit for you when you do it. And I think I also think, and I have no, no, this is all conjecture of course, but I don't think he thinks they're small rules either. think he's like, you're here for the day. This isn't an important scene to me. It wouldn't be in my script if it wasn't important and we need it to drive the story forward. So I think he treats it.

I think he takes it all pretty seriously, I guess is what I'm getting at.

Matt Loehrer (20:46)
I agree. And I wonder for them if it's like, hey, I might meet the next Leonardo DiCaprio at this or actually Leonardo DiCaprio. I'm, I, yeah, I think it's exciting for a special young actors to kind of rub elbows with, with really established and successful.

Tug McTighe (20:51)
Yeah, yeah or or actual Leo

I mean, you're

Austin Butler and you're on the set with Brad freaking Pitt, Leonardo freaking DiCaprio and Kurt freaking Russell. Like that's a big deal. Right? Okay. All right, Matt. Nice. All right. The housekeeping is out of the way. Let's talk about this story here. It is a big one. All right. It's February 69. Rick Dalton, the former Western TV star is coping with his fading career.

Matt Loehrer (21:09)
Yeah, you died and got to heaven.

Tug McTighe (21:22)
He is banging out these one-offs, right, as TV villains on these shows. He's being the heavy agent. He goes and meets with Marvin Schwartz, is ⁓ De Niro, who says, hey, man, you need to bang out some spaghetti Westerns in Italy because you can make a lot of money and they want you over there and you'd be a big star over there. He considers that to be inferior. He considers it to be, you know, he says to Cliff, well,

That's it's a fact. I'm washed up old buddy, right? He's like I'm washed up

Matt Loehrer (21:50)
Yeah,

Leo had this ⁓ kind of twang going on, kind of a Texas twang. ⁓

Tug McTighe (21:55)
Yeah, yeah. But this

is Pacino is ju- and for me to say he's chewing up, he's been chewing up scenery like a fucking boss since Sensible Woman. Hoo-ah! Right? And this is like, if that was, if you thought that was a 10, this is a 50. He's smoking cigarettes and he's got the glasses and he's, and I loved you shooting a gun. Bah bah bah bah bah. Like, it's just all this.

Matt Loehrer (22:15)
Right. ⁓

Tug McTighe (22:23)
gigantic stuff.

Matt Loehrer (22:24)
Yeah, I loved it. I feel like he's actually acting. It's not just him playing himself and, you being crazy. Yeah. And you do get that's like you mentioned that you get a sense from the beginning that, you know, the cool movie star Rick Dalton is just about to crack up. I wrote he's the tears or fears of acting for me. Leonardo DiCaprio is a little little backstory there as a kid in the mid 80s. I heard

Tug McTighe (22:29)
Yeah, he's not just doing that. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's hear it.

Matt Loehrer (22:49)
the song Everybody Wants to Rule the World and I hated it. And I decided I hated Tears for Fears. And then every other song they had, I'm like, well, I love this song, but I still hate Tears for Fears. And after a while, I realized I just didn't like that song, but I really liked Tears for Fears. So I don't know what Leonardo DiCaprio did to make me think I didn't like him, but I've seen all these movies he's in and I really like him.

Tug McTighe (23:03)
Right?

Yeah, this is a frickin' great point. I think Leo...

was a little polarizing. Like he was on, he was a guest cast member on Growing Pains at the very end, you didn't know that. Yeah, right? He was a young guy. He was a kid actor. And I think we all thought he was kind of a hack. And then he, bang, Gilbert Grape comes out and you go see Gilbert Grape and you're like, holy shit, this guy's really good. And then he keeps making movies. He's Howard.

Matt Loehrer (23:23)
Yeah, they adopted a kid.

Ratings are down.

Tug McTighe (23:39)
Hughes, starts, you know, then he starts working for the likes of Scorsese and, you know, Paul Thomas Anderson, and then he's working for Tarantino, and you're like, fuck, everything this guy does is fantastic. Like, he is a dynamite actor.

But yeah, so yeah, turns out he's really good, just like Tears for Fears.

⁓

Dalton's best friend, stunt double, personal assistant, and driver is Cliff Booth, a World War II veteran living in a trailer with his pit bull Brandy. I love Brandy. I'm a giant dog person. She was played by three pit bulls, but mostly Sayuri, from the Delaware Red Pit Bulls. You would be glad to know, Matt, that she received the Palm Dog Award, whatever the hell that is, for her performance. So Brandy was an award winner as well.

Matt Loehrer (24:20)
I assume it's like the palm door. It's just for pets. ⁓ So from the moment we meet Brandy, we understand how well trained she is that she's that's going to come back important in an important way later. ⁓ But

Tug McTighe (24:22)
Yeah, right. Right.

Mm-hmm. Right,

again, he doesn't set, nothing is accidental, and it all comes back.

Matt Loehrer (24:37)
You all yes, it always gets paid off, which is fantastic. I don't know if you notice this, but the brand of dog food that Cliff feeds her is wolf's tooth dog food. Good food for mean dogs. And the flavors of dog food that he has are Bird, Lizard and Raccoon. Which I thought was just a detail.

Tug McTighe (24:47)
Good food for bean dogs.

OK, that's hilarious. Those are the flavors. Tarantino

loves making brands, like Red Apple cigarettes. There's a spot at the end in the post credits that Red Apple are the cigarettes that Bruce Willis asked for in Pulp Fiction. So yeah, he loves doing that. So yeah, so Cliff is a stunt guy who can't find work. Rick can't find work. Cliff can't find work because there are these rampant rumors around Hollywood, around the biz.

that he accidentally killed his wife, but maybe on purpose, but got away with it. And you see a flashback here in a minute that shows you that story. And I guess they expound upon that in the novel. So nobody's sure if the dude killed his wife, but everybody's kind of sure he did. But nobody can prove anything.

Matt Loehrer (25:39)
There's another neat detail in that scene when they're on the boat. The flashback. He is dressed because he's got like a scuba helmet or a face mask. He is dressed like the 1960s G.I. Joe frog man with the kung fu grip. the same. It's the same costume. One other thing, too, we see him when we meet Brandy. It's because he drove his, you know, drove home from the lot.

Tug McTighe (25:49)
Y-yeah.

Yes, the frog man. Yes. The same outfit, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (26:06)
And we follow him as he's driving home and he lives on the periphery of a drive-in movie theater. So he's on property in this trailer, like a Airstream type thing. Yeah. And he's just living on this property adjacent to a theater. So I don't know if it's intentional or unintentional metaphor, but it's like he can see the movies playing, but they're kind of far away. So

Tug McTighe (26:18)
Yeah, like a double wide kind of thing.

Matt Loehrer (26:31)
kind of a metaphor for his life. Like he's in show business, but he's not a movie star. He can see the celebrity that they get and the lifestyle that they get to live, but he doesn't get to live that even though he's right there.

Tug McTighe (26:41)
He's,

I think it's intentional and I think it's symbolism catch by you. He's adjacent, right? He's tangential to the biz. Important part of it, but yeah, he's not a star, never gonna be a star. I think that's really cool. Rick is working a job. He has stunt coordinator, Randy. This is Kurt Russell. Can you just put him in costume? Help Cliff out if you need him. And Randy's like, man, I can't do it.

don't have the budget, I got my guys already. And then finally he says, look, man, I just don't like him. I don't like his vibe. And he goes, really? What's wrong? He goes, man, he fucking killed his wife. And Dalton goes, you believe that? And he goes, yeah, I believe it. And my wife believes it. And she's the assistant ward or assistant director or whatever. So yeah, we believe it, man. And I just, and they're like, he creeps me out. don't like him. Yeah. So, ⁓

There's a great, this is the flashback you're talking about now where we see Rebecca Gayheart. She's on a boat. It's kind of a ratty boat. She's drunk. He's in the frog man attire and he's holding a spear gun across his. He sits down, opens a beer. He's kind of holding the spear. Well, he's not kind of holding it. He's holding the spear gun in his lap and it's pointed at her. And she's like, look at me. I'm on a shitty boat in the shitty ocean with the shittiest person.

I told my sister told me, don't marry him. He's a loser. But here I am, blah, blah. She's just berating him. And the gun, the spear gun is pointed directly at her. We never see it go off. But the implications are 100 % that it does. So again, framed as an accident, nobody could prove anything, et cetera, et cetera. Very, very well.

crafted, I think, scene.

Matt Loehrer (28:17)
Yeah, and cuts away, right? You know, we don't see it because it cuts away right before it did or didn't happen. So in the novelization of this, it's confirmed that he did shoot his wife intentionally. And ⁓ everyone, everyone just accepted his explanation because she was such an unpleasant person that nobody liked. The cops are like, we don't we know her, we don't like her.

Tug McTighe (28:27)
Yes.

Just a terrible person.

Yeah, and I read that one of the details Serentino puts in the book is it basically cut her in half and Cliff kind of held her together until the paramedics could come. So you also learn in the book that he beat a guy to death in a bar. know, there's a couple of, is a very violent person, which we will see throughout this film.

But yeah, yeah, it killed some, you know, it was in World War II. So just a lot of that, a lot of that backstory is now in the novel. But you don't see it in the movie and I don't think you need it in the movie, right? Only if you want to dive deeper into the world, because it all makes perfect sense the way it's constructed.

You mentioned that he uses a lot of flashbacks. We see a flashback here. Rick says, hey man, something happened to my TV reception. Will you get up on the roof and look at the antenna? Those were the, this was the area where we had TV antennas on our roofs. Cliff gets up there, he goes to Rick's house and he's remembering this day on the set.

that we saw before with Kurt Russell and Leo. Randy acquiesces and goes, come on, you dumb ass, let's get in wardrobe, we'll see if we can find a job for you. And Cliff is sitting around waiting to see if he's needed. And Bruce Lee is there because Bruce Lee is making the green hornet at the time, his case Kato at the time. And he is just pontificating, talking to a group of people.

about how I love hand-to-hand combat. He says, it's two men fighting. There's nothing fake about that. Someone says, well, what about boxing? And he goes, boxing's very similar, but it's not the same. he says, it's Cassius Clay. If I ever fought Cassius Clay, I'd leave him a cripple. And Cliff snorts and laughs. And Bruce Lee says, you think you saw, you're laughing.

He goes, yeah, I just thought what you said was funny. And he goes, well, I didn't say anything funny. And Cliff says, I think it's funny that I think you're a little man with a big mouth. And the idea that you would be anything but a stain on Cassius Clay shorts makes me laugh. And then they end up having a best two out of three falls. And Bruce Lee kicks Cliff and then Cliff, he runs at him and he sort of throws him into this car and dents the car.

And it turns out that that's Randy's wife's car. And she's like, my god, my fucking car. What did you do, And so they fire Cliff. They tell him to get the hell out. And she says a great line, which I wrote down, get the wardrobe off, get your shit, and get fucked. And then they cut back to the roof, and Cliff kind of laughs at that. So we get this characterization of who this person is. Again, show don't tell. And Tarantino doesn't.

He doesn't tell you it's a flashback. He just lets you figure it out, which I think is really important about this movie. He lets you figure it out.

Matt Loehrer (31:15)
Yeah, I love that. He trusts his audience. He really does. ⁓ And it's an abrupt shift. He doesn't do anything special. It's not like Wayne's world where they go, I mean, it just comes through a different scene. And when it cuts back, you understand that he was remembering the reason that he wasn't liked by Kurt Russell, his wife. And you also realize why he's struggling to find work now and is so reliant on his friendship with Rick to stay busy. Apparently, the Chinese government did not like the way that Bruce Lee was represented.

Tug McTighe (31:18)
Yes.

Nope, just a straight cut.

Matt Loehrer (31:41)
And they suggested that if he wanted to, he, Tarantino wanted it approved for release in China, that he should edit it to remove this scene. And Tarantino said he wasn't editing anything. So take that China.

Tug McTighe (31:52)
Yeah, no thank you.

Yeah, right. And Sean McTighe loves this movie and he knows that my favorite line is in this scene. And my favorite line in this whole movie is when he says, Bruce Lee says, my hands are registered as lethal weapons. That means if I accidentally kill someone and fight, I go to jail. And Cliff says,

⁓ Anybody who accidentally kills somebody in a fight goes to jail. It's called manslaughter which He accidentally killed his wife Theoretically, right? So it ties back to that rumor. I just I'd like that little tiny little subplot

All right, so, yes. ⁓ Moving on, although he does not know them personally, Dalton is aware that young actress Sharon Tate and her husband, director Roman Polanski, have recently moved in next door to him in his cul-de-sac. Dalton longs to befriend those guys, thinking it could help his career. So there's a lot of this, can I meet in Hollywood to help me?

Matt Loehrer (32:27)
I know.

Yeah, and I think he was actually kind of excited too, because they were up and comers and there he was almost giddy. He's like, wow, they're famous, like as though he's not.

Tug McTighe (32:55)
Yeah.

Right. But sim and again, similar in real life to the Luke Perry Leo thing, right? Just another thing, right? So here's a, can I pause for this? Our first podcast, horrifying anecdote alert. So we'll make that a, hopefully we won't make it a thing that it is a horrifying anecdote on March 10th, 1977, 43 year old film director Roman Polanski was arrested and charged in Los Angeles.

was six offenses against Samantha Galey, a 13 year old girl, including unlawful sexual intercourse, rape, use of drugs, perversion, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he pleaded not guilty, later accepted a plea bargain to dismiss the most serious charges. And then he fucking just peaced out of the country and he fled to England and then France in 78.

Hours before he was due to be sentenced and since then he has been living in France and has avoided visiting any countries likely to extradite him to the United States so absolute douchebag alert in Roman Polanski the real-life husband of Sharon Tate who was murdered by the Manson family He was out of town at the time that that happened

Matt Loehrer (33:59)
While Cliff is fixing the TV antenna on top Dalton's roof, he notices a hippie arriving at the Polanski residence looking for... Yeah.

Tug McTighe (34:06)
Yeah, because he can see down, he can see

down over the driveway.

Matt Loehrer (34:09)
So there was a music producer named Terry Melcher who had been running the place. And ⁓ Jay Sebring says Sharon Tate's friend's ⁓ says, yeah, he says Melcher's moved. The man that he's talking to is Charles Manson, who was trying to jumpstart his own music ⁓ music career. And there's a scene, the next scene at the Playboy Mansion, which is the actual Playboy Mansion.

Tug McTighe (34:19)
Yeah

Correct.

Matt Loehrer (34:33)
And it was kind of cool. They pull up and to tell you it's the Playboy Mansion, there's the Playboy logo for a mansion underneath it. And you see some celebrities of the day like Steve McQueen and Michelle Phillips. And how do we know that's them? Because he superimposes their names on the screen, which I love that he does that. He doesn't mind pulling you out of this movie to remind you that this is a movie and then put you right back in it.

Tug McTighe (34:44)
He supers, yeah.

Yeah. He, and he doesn't,

yeah. Yeah. But then you, yeah, I think that's really important, Matt, because sometimes when you have a tone break like that, it's hard to get back in, but no, you're just, he just tells you, this is Stephen Queen. He'd tell you it's Michelle Phillips, and then he walks and then you're back in the scene.

Matt Loehrer (35:06)
Yeah. And he wouldn't do it if there could have been another way to do it through exposition or have someone say, Hey, meet my friend, Steve McQueen, but cut, cut through that. Just pop their names up. It's great. I not, he's the only director that I know of that does, they use this graphic treatments that kind of in that way. And I love it.

Tug McTighe (35:14)
Right, right, right.

And

even though for the first hour of the movie it's not there, suddenly it appears, and then it never comes back. Fine. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (35:29)
Yeah, it's OK. It's that's what he does.

And we know that because we've seen it. The square thing from Pulp Fiction. That'll be a square. ⁓ So we see Damien Lewis, S.D. McQueen, and he's explaining the whole J.C. Brin, Sharon Tate thing that basically Sharon Tate was with him, J.C. Bring, and then met Roman Polanski. And suddenly she's with Roman Polanski. But he knows that Plancy is going to screw it up. So J.C. Bring is going to just hang around.

Tug McTighe (35:34)
Yeah, don't be a square. Yep.

Matt Loehrer (35:55)
be everybody's best pal so he can pick up the pieces when it's all done. Nice little bit of exposition. So that's how you find that out because Steve McQueen tells you.

Tug McTighe (35:59)
And yeah.

Stephen McQueen of all people.

Rick is now filming an episode for the TV series. And so remember, he's still working. It seems pretty steadily, but he's doing these one-off. He's the heavy. He's the bad guy, right? And they all say, we're so glad to have a big star like you playing the heavy in this episode. It's great. It's this, that. So third thing, he really struggling to deliver his lines. He has an emotional breakdown in his trailer, which is a great moment in the film where he's breaking down.

in his trailer and they're intercutting it with Sharon Tate who's going to see her own movie and it's a comedy movie and she plays the klutz. So it's this comedy drama, comedy drama, like right back to back intercut, again, allowing you to figure out what's happening and just letting you watch it and experience it with them. thought a lot of that was really great. ⁓

Matt Loehrer (36:51)
Yeah, it was

it was Leonardo Caprio's idea to have Dalton forget his lines I think Dalton's not supposed to be that great an actor and Leo was having trouble being not a great actor so by having him forget his lines it kind of helped him stay in character as as Dalton and that trailer scene was all improvised by him which is not Tarantino-esque

Tug McTighe (37:10)
Yeah, it's

a lot of cutting, like intercutting, like jump cutting. So it went on for a while. It's a really great scene talking about whiskey sours and couldn't have four, had to eight more, right? Just talking to just all this really just negative self-talk, tearing up the trailer, et cetera, et cetera. A really great scene where he looks into a mirror and the mirror, he's looking away from camera, but the mirror is looking into camera. Just a really nice piece of cinematography.

Matt Loehrer (37:37)
Yeah,

and that's why he did the cuts. The quick cuts was because he was just improvising all these lines and they didn't know what they'd use. He was just riffing.

Tug McTighe (37:43)
He was just riffing. Yeah. ⁓

He later gives a great and powerful performance in Lancer, impressing the director Sam Wanamaker, Peter Parker, and his 10-year-old star, Trudy, who's really funny, boosting his confidence. And I just think there's a lot of business Leo does while he's in wardrobe as the cowboy. He's smoking cigs. He's drinking from a flask.

Trudy is great here. All her, she's like, I don't like to be called actress. I think we're all actors. She's, he's like, how old are you? 10? She goes, I'm eight. She's really charming. She's method. She only wants to be referred to by her character name. She's significantly smarter than he is. And then there's a great bit of, I call it copy Matt. There's a great bit of script writing where he's reading a book about a cowboy named Easy Breezy who was a Bronco buster and fell off his horse and

isn't as good of a Bronco buster. looks like he's washed up. and it's just a mirror of Rick's life and he's crying. And this is when he, he really realizes where I am in my career in life. And he has a breakdown. and then another piece that I love is when Lancer star who is Timothy Oliphant, they discuss how Rick was on a list, was on the list.

to star in the Steve McQueen role, back to Steve McQueen, in the movie The Great Escape. And Tarantino does a Forrest Gump here, where he inserts Leonardo as Captain Hills into The Great Escape actual scenes where Steve McQueen was. Because Steve McQueen did play him. I love this bit, and I love that movie. That was another one of my dad. My dad sat me down when I was a kid and made me watch The Great Escape. He loved that movie. So that is still.

big on my list. So just seeing Leo as the Steve McQueen part really made me smile.

Matt Loehrer (39:23)
liked that they did that and I really didn't like it in Forrest Gump. It seemed, in Forrest Gump, it seemed like a cheap bit or like, we can do this with, we have technology to do this, so let's do it, even though it doesn't really advance the story that much. It seemed kind of campy gratuitous. I liked it in this.

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Matt Loehrer (40:18)
⁓ that's so great.

Tug McTighe (40:26)
Sharon Tate is watching herself in a movie called The Wrecking Crew with Dean Martin. And what you see is the actual film starring Sharon Tate. They did not replace her with Margot Robbie. So that's just an interesting, he did it one minute ago and he didn't do it here again, which is fine. It all works. But I just thought that was a little bit interesting. Now Booth gives Pussycat a ride to Spawn Ranch, a former Western film set.

Matt Loehrer (40:44)
I

Tug McTighe (40:51)
Where Booth did some stunt work. That's where they shot Rick Dalton show Booth and Pussycat she's been hitchhiking the whole movie and they've been flirting silently like when she's on the street corner waiting on the bus He's seen her a couple times and he finally picks her up and and again This is where I mentioned it earlier Matt, but I think Margot Robbie This is really the biggest part of the movie. She's in now the sequence

I think she's really charming and she's really sweet throughout the whole film. love her gigantic glasses she puts on to watch herself on the movie. I don't know if Sharon Tate was a goofball in real life, but Margot plays her that way and it really works for me. And there's a really neat scene where the crowd, she's in the movie theater watching her movie. It's her scene where she's being a klutz and she falls over and everybody laughs. And then she looks around the theater and has a big smile on her face. So she just seems.

Yeah, she just seems really happy in that moment. The character does.

Matt Loehrer (41:42)
Yeah, very sweet, very humble. It makes you wonder what would have happened. You can tell this is early in her career. She's just grateful that the movie theater people let her in and kind of treat her like a star a little bit, but she's just very accommodating and sweet. Yeah, quit never stand by the poster. Quentin Tarantino said she is an almost angelic presence throughout the movie in his own words. To some degree, she's not in the movie. She's in our hearts.

Tug McTighe (41:55)
Right, they take a picture. They take a picture next to the poster.

Matt Loehrer (42:07)
But I will say she doesn't seem like all the ugliness, all the tension, all the drama in this movie, she seems to kind of float above it.

Tug McTighe (42:14)
Yeah, yeah, it's really nice performance, OK, so I want to talk about this. There is, in this moment, in the last, I don't know, half an hour, maybe it's not a half an hour, 10, 15, 20 minutes of film, this is a lot of the patented Tarantino time jumping, where here's a story, this happens, we're on the Lancer set with Leo, we're in the theater, Cliff's on the roof.

He is remembering Bruce Lee, all this stuff. He adores that kind of cutting. It's in all of his films. And I wrote in my notes, it's sort of hard to keep track of that in this linear, the way we're going through this in a linear way, but it really works on film.

Matt Loehrer (42:53)
We cut back to Rick's big scene with the little girl. This is after his, yeah, this is after his kind of breakdown in his trailer. So he's back on set.

Tug McTighe (42:56)
with Trudy.

He's gonna get his shit together

and get he says get back out there and nail it, right?

Matt Loehrer (43:04)
Yeah, Luke Perry shows up. So RIP Dylan, Rick just does an amazing job, kind of goes a little off script, ends up throwing the girl on the, he's got got her as a hostage on his lap. He throws her on the floor. He's, the girl's totally impressed. ⁓ She says,

Tug McTighe (43:19)
He says, I throw

you too hard? She goes, no, I wore some knee pads.

Matt Loehrer (43:23)
Yeah,

she says that's the best acting I've ever seen. And he was so grateful that she said that this eight year old kid who is probably pretty accurate for a movie veteran, you know, eight year old movie veteran at the time. Everybody wants to be appreciated. I love that he recognized he was screwing up and in a different movie. This would be so optimistic in a lot of ways where it could go one way or the other and it goes the right way. Like he could have screwed this up.

He could have failed. could be like the guy that succumbs to alcohol and failure and screws it in is just a basket case and ends up as tragedy and he doesn't. He overcomes. He succeeds.

Tug McTighe (43:58)
Yeah, I never, I think that's a great point, man. I never would have called this movie optimistic until you just said it, but yeah, of all the shit he messes up, he, he like here, he digs deep and he goes and figures it out. And, and that comes throughout the movie that everybody sort of dig deep, digs deep and figures it out. instead of it, like you said, it could have been, he could have gotten fired. He could have screwed up. He could have shown up drunk.

I think that's just an interesting take. really do. He goes, you're fucking Dalton. Right? just this. Yeah, he says you're Rick fucking Dalton. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (44:30)
Cliff says that to him, right?

Okay, Brad Pitt improvised that scene because somebody told him that once. They said, hey, don't forget you're Brad fucking Pitt. ⁓ So he inserted it in the movie. That was his idea.

Tug McTighe (44:38)
You're Brad fucking Pitt. That's great.

Right, so now don't forget, yeah, now again, in the intercutting, he picked up Pussycat a little bit ago, we cut away to all the Dalton stuff, and then Booth arrives at Spawn Ranch. Does he like what he sees, Matt?

Matt Loehrer (44:43)
Cut back. ⁓ you want to go?

does that.

⁓ So he decides he's going to check on his old friend George Spahn, the ranch's owner, because he knew he knew him from when they used to shoot the show, right? They shot a bounty law there. So everybody, all these hippies try to stop Cliff from seeing him, but he's. Yeah, it's. Very suspicious and Cliff is not afraid of anything, so he says he's going to push his way and says I'm going to see George one way the other, so.

Tug McTighe (45:05)
Yes, they shot Bounty Law there.

There's gotta be 50 kids there, right? Maybe not 50, there's at least 30 kids there.

Yes.

Matt Loehrer (45:23)
⁓ He does.

Tug McTighe (45:23)
Yeah, Squeaky From

says, can't see me sleeping. I'm coming in anyway. He goes, you're not going to. And he, and again, this is the, he's got a violent streak. He says, you're not going to stop me from coming in this room.

Matt Loehrer (45:26)
We think he's...

So he does, and then we think, so there's Dern, what's his name?

Tug McTighe (45:36)
Yeah,

Stern. Bruce Stern.

Matt Loehrer (45:38)
There's Bruce Dern and we think he's dead. But it turns out he's just asleep. He he's obviously lost it. He doesn't know who Cliff is. He. He's blind, but he says, hey, this girl takes care of me and we watch TV and basically corroborates her story that she said, ⁓ he needs to rest so we can watch TV later.

Tug McTighe (45:41)
Yeah, he's sleeping. Yeah.

He's blind.

Yeah, she hates it when I fall asleep.

Matt Loehrer (46:00)
Yeah, so he says, I don't know who you are. going back to sleep. So Cliff decides to leave. At this point.

Tug McTighe (46:05)
Cliff seems

actually, he is actually concerned, I that George is being taken advantage of. And George says something like, I don't remember you, I don't know you, but you came to check on me and I appreciate that. I'm touched. Now get the fuck out so I go to sleep.

Matt Loehrer (46:10)
I think so.

He did say that. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. And Brad Pitt's performance throughout this is Cliff Booth is very measured. Even when he gets violent, he doesn't seem angry. He doesn't seem emotional. He seems in control, which is kind of scary. ⁓ Right. So Pussycat's frustrated with Cliff. All the hippies are mad at him. They're screaming that he should leave. So he's happy to do it. But he gets back to his car and he sees that one of these hippies has punctured it.

Tug McTighe (46:30)
No.

Which is a little scarier, yeah, right.

Matt Loehrer (46:47)
with a switchblade. ⁓ Clem, and Clem's really proud of himself for having done this. So, Brad Pitt just beats the crap out of him. ⁓

Tug McTighe (46:49)
Yeah, Clem!

He really

beat, like, there's a great Tarantino shot of you see Cliff's feet and Clem's feet and you hear the punch and Clem gets like cold, straight knocked off his feet. He, I mean, he knocks this guy's teeth out. he just really beats the crap out of him. Like you said, and again, the consistent return to violence makes us very unsure about whether or not Cliff killed is, is capable of killing.

his wife and I am pretty sure he's capable.

Matt Loehrer (47:25)
Yeah, and in classic Tarantino style, it doesn't build to violence. It just happens. It explodes. Yeah, I had no problem with the pacing of this movie, but this was the point where I thought, you know, somebody needs to kick somebody's ass right now. And we got this scene, which is great.

Tug McTighe (47:30)
It just pops, yes.

⁓

You know this could use is a hippie getting beat up and we got it

Matt Loehrer (47:44)
Exactly. He's a tough read.

seems pretty mellow. He makes smart choices, like not hooking up with a girl that's obviously a teenager. He's like, how old are you?

Tug McTighe (47:52)
He says to pussycat,

old are you? you, I get you an ID. And, and, and then he says something like, they haven't put me in, I have them put me in prison yet. And it's not going to be cause I was with an underage girl. So he's got a moral compass, right? He's probably, I'm looking at my Dungeons and Dragons character alignment. He's probably.

Matt Loehrer (48:10)
You

awful something maybe.

Tug McTighe (48:13)
chaotic good chaotic

yeah chaotic good right he has his own law his own rules

Matt Loehrer (48:19)
So yeah,

the hippies went back to get Tex who was on a horse. by the time he gets back, so by the time he gets back, Cliff's already driving away. They've changed the tire. ⁓ And Cliff picks Rick up and they hang out together to watch Rick co-starring in an episode of FBI, which was an actual show. I didn't know that. And it was, yeah. So this is an important.

Tug McTighe (48:23)
Yeah, Austin Butler.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, another one of these one-offs.

Matt Loehrer (48:42)
This is an important detail that will come back later. Cliff bought an acid dipped cigarette from Pussycat, right? ⁓ And there's a, has a cigarette box. He's got a.

Tug McTighe (48:50)
Correct.

Yeah,

and he says, I've never done acid. So I want to do it here in a safe place with you. So let me don't write exactly.

Matt Loehrer (48:58)
But don't accidentally smoke this thing.

Right. So that was pretty cool. Yeah. So when they were putting this movie together and trying to find an army truck to recreate the FBI episode with Leo, they ended up finding an actual truck from a 1966 episode of the FBI. And this was an actual episode. So again, they put they inserted Leo. Actually, this I think they just read like refilmed it.

to make it look the same. But the actual original actor who was in it was, you guess?

Tug McTighe (49:22)
Right.

Russell.

Matt Loehrer (49:27)
Good guess, but a young Burt Reynolds.

Tug McTighe (49:30)
boy even better ⁓ that's great and and this is also this is the scene that gave rise to the famous that leo meme of him pointing at the thing with the beer can and the cigarette because he because he he points it as himself here i come here i come

Matt Loehrer (49:31)
Yeah, they came back.

Yes, I saw that too. was like, that's where the meme came from. There

I am.

Tug McTighe (49:47)
OK. So now, Matt, in a break from anything we've seen so far, we just cut to a title card that says six months later. And now we're in the third act. And Kurt Russell, who was Randy, the stunt coordinator, is now our narrator. So he lets us know that Rick will be getting some work. Rick agreed to go to Italy and do some work. We see Appicino watching the FBI. And then it says six months later.

⁓ Rick went to Italy crushed it in Italy. He made four movies there The fake movies are awesome that they go through You know and and they show the poster It's like and then he was in something so and so with him and telly savalas, which is just a chef's kiss for me There's just

Matt Loehrer (50:24)
Right. Yeah. I thought the switch to a narrator

was really effective, actually.

Tug McTighe (50:30)
I think it's like

hey, man, we got to go I'm gonna

Matt Loehrer (50:33)
Yeah, let's all right. We're just

going to dump some info on you because we got and again, pacing now pacing picks up now it's moving a little faster.

Tug McTighe (50:37)
Yeah, I'm gonna just give it to ya.

Correct, right, so Schwartz is booked adult in the star in this Sergio Corbucci spaghetti western. Cliff goes with Rick to the six month shoot in Italy. He films three more films, marries an Italian starlet, Francesca Cappucci. And before they return to the US, Rick and Cliff sit down and Rick says, look man, I got a wife now. I can't afford to pay you. It's not that I don't want you around. just, my life has changed. And Cliff.

Again, measured is a very good word. Smart guy. He gets it. He understands. they decide they're going to go out, right? And the announcer there in the area says, Anna's two friends who know that their lives are changing forever know that they have to do on the last night that they're really going to be in this state of relationship, and that's just get blind drunk. So that's a good way get drunk. I want to tell you that.

Matt Loehrer (51:10)
Yeah, nothing personal.

Yeah

Tug McTighe (51:32)
One of the directors of the movies that Rick makes was Antonio Margheretti, and in Tarantino's film In Glorious Basterds, Eli Roth's character Donnie Donowitz uses Antonio Margheretti as an alias in an undercover operation at the cinema screening of Stolz der Neuschein. There is also a reference to this here.

where Leo makes the movie with this guy. Operación Dynamite is the movie. And that guy's a real director. So just another Tarantino Easter egg. They return to Los Angeles on August 8, 1969. Again, Dalton and Booth go drinking to commemorate their time together. The restaurant that Sharon, Tate, and her friends, and she's now pregnant, they go to is El Coyote, which is still there.

Matt Loehrer (52:03)
Okay.

Tug McTighe (52:19)
It is a famous, historic LA restaurant that I've been to several times. Sadly, I've not been to the other one that Cliff and Rick went to.

Matt Loehrer (52:29)
Yeah, you mentioned Los Angeles being a character in this movie and you're 100 % correct. And I appreciated this, even though I haven't spent a lot of time in L.A. You still culturally pick some of this up. Like, I know what Grauman's Chinese Theater is and I know what Frank and Moussa on Frank is. And the cars are all from the 60s and they got, you know, they shut down the 101 to film some of the driving scenes, which I don't think that's ever happened. And then and then they changed the facades of a lot of these stores.

Tug McTighe (52:32)
Absolutely.

IT'S CRAZY

Matt Loehrer (52:55)
to reflect the time and after the filming was done, they said, we like it, we're gonna keep it this way. So they didn't change it back.

Tug McTighe (53:03)
constantly blown away when watching movies like we do with the, you know, this is, you're watching this, these movies with a different kind of eye since we're going to then record this podcast. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, that was a 10 second wide shot of an LA street that just established where Sharon Tate was going. And every car is a sixties car and every storefront is a 60 storefront and every person.

is decked out in 60s wardrobe and that is a hard job. And I just continually blown away by how hard it is to make a movie. I mean, we both know how hard it is to make a commercial and man, making movies even fucking just so hard. Anyway, so the narrator here is Randy and he's now giving us the ticking clock. Like at 8.59 this happened, you know, cause they're out for dinner and it's really pushing us forward. Rick, they, they, they,

They get their drink on, they take a cab. There's a little early, don't drive, drink and drive says Rick and Cliff were so drunk. actually took a cab home. and now it's late. It's about midnight, a little bit for midnight booths says he's going to smoke the cigarette and take rainy for a walk. Dalton's making margaritas. And now this is when, movie world and real world collide. And then

veer away from each other. This is when Manson's followers, Tax, Sadie, Katie, and Flowerchild, arrived to murder the Tate House occupants. He knew that she lived there. because he came to the house. Charlie did. Right. That's right.

Matt Loehrer (54:30)
Yeah, that was Charles Manson played by Damon Harriman from Dewey Carr from Justified.

As pivotal as his character is to this story, he got maybe 30 seconds of screen time in act, you know, back in act two and you never saw him again.

Tug McTighe (54:43)
the most.

Nope, nope. And so Cliff is in there making margaritas and he hears their muffler, it's really loud, and he storms out in his robe and he orders a piece. It's a goddamn private street and he's just up there, hippie, out of the picture and he's got an open robe and boxer shorts. God damn it, you goddamn hippies, get out of here. And they're like, we're lost, sir, sorry, etc, etc. So ⁓

Matt Loehrer (54:55)
He's drinking out of the blender pitcher.

I actually downloaded

that clip, so we'll put it on here. It's worth seeing him tear into these idiots. He's just so mad.

Tug McTighe (55:10)
Okay, perfect.

Perfect. ⁓

So they recognize him. They're like, my God, that was that Rick Dalton? And Texas like, I loved that show when I was a kid. I had the lunchbox. It was my favorite lunchbox Bounty law. ⁓ that's yeah. So it was, have gotten, yeah, could have gone south. Sadie, they, Manson sent them there to kill Sharon Tate who was ever in that house. They decide this word veers from reality. They decide they're going to go kill Rick Dalton.

Matt Loehrer (55:25)
Oh, because they had a gun, they had a gun on the seat of the car.

Tug McTighe (55:40)
Because Hollywood, sadistic reasons, shows such as Dalton's and violent movies, Hollywood taught us to murder. So that's realization. I love flower child, Maya Hawke. She goes, oh, shit, I forgot my knife back in the car. And she leaves to go get it. They're like, well, go get it. And then you hear the car start, and she just pieces out. She's like, I'm not having any of this. Man, I think she got in that car and drove to her parents.

Matt Loehrer (55:47)
Justification.

Tug McTighe (56:05)
She's like, I'm not going back to the mansion of the Manson compound. I'm out.

Matt Loehrer (56:10)
Yeah, this was kind of this was I didn't get this when I watched it. I wasn't sure why they went to Dalton's house instead of Plansky's, but I now that you tell me this, it's because he he gave him a reason because he yelled at him.

Tug McTighe (56:20)
He berated them and then, right, then they have a false line of argumentation to get to, let's kill him instead. ⁓

Matt Loehrer (56:26)
Yeah, did a rationale.

So this is where history diverges and creates this alternate timeline. Flower Child was actually based on an actual person, and that's Maya Hawk, right? That character. Very cool, yeah, from Stranger Things and other things like that. Flower Child was based on Linda Kasabian. Who's an actual person who stayed in the car? She did not drive away, but she didn't go into the house with the other people. ⁓

Tug McTighe (56:36)
C-Correct, correct.

Matt Loehrer (56:49)
And she later testified against Tex, who was also a real person, and put him away. And he's still behind bars today. And at this point, since we're talking about it right now, for people that don't know what actually happened when a group of homicidal hippies under orders from Charles Manson went to Roman Polanski's house that fateful night in August 1969, you can Google it. It's called the late the Tate LaBianca murders because there were actually two separate incidents. They went to another house or you can.

Tug McTighe (56:55)
Yes.

other people in the house, yeah. And again, the

novel, again, sorry to cut you off, Matt, the novel Helter Skelter takes this, not the novel, the true crime book, Helter Skelter, is all about Charles Manson and his murders.

Matt Loehrer (57:25)
There you go. There's that. ⁓ And also you can check out Carina Longworth's excellent podcast. You much must remember this, which I've enjoyed a lot of them. It started out as true stories of the actors of Hollywood's Golden Age. So you'd hear like, what was Judy Garland really like or what was Humphrey Bogart really like? And it was so successful that her podcast went on for years and years. So she was looking for different. It's really good. So she did a 12 episode series called Charles Manson's Hollywood. And it's really

Tug McTighe (57:47)
It's dying in my podcast!

Matt Loehrer (57:53)
fascinating and also.

Tug McTighe (57:54)
Yeah, he wanted to be famous. He wanted to be an actor, musician, and he got famous for other reasons. Ha ha, fact. You know who's not a psychopath is Matt Lohr. He owns Little Bear Graphics.

Matt Loehrer (57:56)
Well, he was.

He's a psychopath. Well, he's dead now anyway.

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Matt Loehrer (58:34)
You got a compliment today, by the way. My good friend Lisa and her husband Brian Ruff, who are friends of the show, we were at a winery today and she made it point to say how much she enjoys the Little Bear spots. Which I do too. That's my favorite part of the show too. can't. To the people out there, I never know what he's gonna say. So it's always, yeah, I'm as excited as you are. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (58:46)
excellent. I'll take it.

I black it out, yeah, I don't send him that. So it's always a surprise.

All right, so we're moving on here, Matt. Breaking into Dalton's house armed with knives and a gun, the remaining group confronts Cliff and Francesca with Tex announcing that he is the, he says, wait a minute, I know you, who are you? And Cliff's, and Tex says, I'm the devil. I'm here to do the devil's business. And Cliff goes, nah, it was Dumbernat, short name. He's high as a kite, he smoked that.

Matt Loehrer (59:20)
He stoned, yeah.

Tug McTighe (59:20)
LSD cigarette.

He says, Clint. And then the girl goes, Tex. He goes, Tex, that's it. And he's super high. You see, remember Brandy was really well trained. She's sitting on the couch, stock still. And Tex has the gun. And the girl comes in the back. And he says,

She says something, let's kill him. And he throws the can of dog food and smashes her in the face with it, the full can. And then he goes, and Brandy attacks Tex. Yeah, biting his arm, biting his leg, eventually biting his genital region. He just makes that clicking sound a point, and she goes. So Brandy Maul's Tex bites off his, you know.

Matt Loehrer (59:45)
yeah, that was brutal.

And just gestures, and. ⁓

Tug McTighe (1:00:02)
Cliff then really tough bloody scene stomps him to death. Katie stabs him, but he beats her to death. Smashing her face into the wall, the coffee table, the ashtray, just, I mean.

Matt Loehrer (1:00:14)
The

telephone, who was the one that the wall phone, he was just smashing the head.

Tug McTighe (1:00:17)
Yeah,

just really violent sequence. cut to, then, ⁓ Brandy then attacks Sadie, disfigures her, she's really hurt, and she stumbles out into the backyard. We're unbeknownst to him, this violence happening. Rick has his headphones on, the picture of Margaritas, and he's floating in the pool just.

Nothing is happening. Sadie falls in the pool. He's like, what the hell's happening? And she's, yeah. he's, yeah, he's listening to his lines. Yeah. And so, so she crashes through the garden. She's shooting at him. He's in the pool. He, he jumps out, goes into his shed and what does he pull out?

Matt Loehrer (1:00:44)
I think he was reading lines for something, wasn't he?

Flamethrower!

Tug McTighe (1:00:59)
flamethrower from the very first few minutes where he's in a in a show using a flamethrower and he had that flamethrower and that came back all the way from the first few minutes of movie and he burns her in his words well burned up burn that hippie up to a crisp he was telling the cops she sure did

Matt Loehrer (1:01:14)
Wow, she took a lot of damage. ⁓ Also,

when Brad Pitt is fixing his antenna on the roof, he goes into the shed earlier back in Act 2. And the flamethrower's in there. Yeah, so you get a little, you get a little, no.

Tug McTighe (1:01:26)
You see it in the corner. Yeah. They don't make a big show about it, right? You just see

it. The police then obviously are called. They've gotten everyone's statements. An ambulance takes Booth to the hospital. He's now killed three more people or two more. And of course he's not going to get in trouble at self-defense. Sebring comes out after everything's going away and Rick's about to go in and he says, he says, Jesus Christ, what happened?

And Rick tells him, Sebring, he says, yeah, burnt that hippie up with a flame thrower. goes, the same flame thrower from the 14 fists of McCluskey? And he goes, yeah, the same. And then Sharon Tate, yeah, me too. Sharon Tate buzzes down on the intercom, and she says, Jay Honey, right, she calls him Honey. Are you talking to Rick? Is he OK? She sounds like a bit of a fangirl. And he says, yeah, I'm OK. And she says, well, why don't you come up and have a drink, and you can tell us about it.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:58)
You

So I love that.

Tug McTighe (1:02:14)
So Rick gets to go inside and meet Sharon and Jay.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:20)
Yeah, Hollywood ending, right? The hippies are dead. Cliff's gonna be fine, even though he got stabbed in the hip. They're taking him away in the hospital and he's like, okay, no, I'm good. I'll be fine. Dalton gets to hang out with the cool neighbors. The Italian wife is sleeping off the events of the evening.

Tug McTighe (1:02:28)
I'll see you tomorrow.

Yeah, Brandi's

in the bed with her, so Brandi's fine.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:37)
Even Brandy survived without a scratch. I thought something was going to happen to her. ⁓ If only we could rewrite all the tragic Hollywood stories this way. Because we talk about optimism. This ended great. It was a great ending.

Tug McTighe (1:02:39)
Yep, not a problem.

⁓ Fair, Yep. Yeah,

great. On to definite up. If you stick around for the credits, there's a commercial for Red Apple cigarettes that Rick Dalton does when he's in bounty law. That's again a Tarantino Oversea brand from Pulp. And you hear Quentin directing him. You don't see him, you hear him.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:03)
I'm cutting he's like look at this stupid cutout. I got a double chin

Tug McTighe (1:03:05)
These take you look at this picture you picked to me in this

this see cigarettes tastes like shit

Matt Loehrer (1:03:11)
I did not expect a post credit scene from Quentin Tarantino, but we got one. ⁓ my gosh.

Tug McTighe (1:03:13)
Very funny.

Okay, so

a lot to unpack. What'd think, buddy?

Matt Loehrer (1:03:20)
⁓

Tug McTighe (1:03:21)
⁓

Okay, so that was a lot to unpack. What are your thoughts? What do you think? Hit me.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:28)
Quentin Tarantino stated that the story consists of multiple parallel stories and that it's the closest in narrative form to his earlier film.

Tug McTighe (1:03:36)
Hope fiction!

Matt Loehrer (1:03:37)
Right. And I believe that you see some of the same storytelling conventions that are so uniquely his shifting from one character's point of view to another, messing with chronology and having this huge cast where everybody contributes in small ways and you get this great pastiche as a result. And he pulls these influences and elements from a million different places. The actor we talked about this earlier who plays the director Sam Wanamaker is Nicholas Hammond.

who you and I remember as live action Spider-Man from 1977 to 79. Tarantino, he had heard that Tarantino had received some original video, like movie prints and was, and had done a screening of Spider-Man from the, of the Spider-Man. So Nicholas Hammond said, I'm glad you got those. That's great. I hope you enjoyed them. And he said, yeah, I'm making a movie. I want you to be in it.

Tug McTighe (1:04:07)
That's right.

of those Spider-Mens. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.

Why don't you come be in it? Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:29)
He remembered he had fond memories of Spider-Man. He's like the same way he had fond memories of Burt Reynolds and Luke Perry and all these other things and said I want to bring it back.

Tug McTighe (1:04:35)
Yes, and Travolta.

It all goes into that brain of his and it doesn't come out. And then he hires these people, which I think is really, again, optimistic and really charming and really paying it forward kind of.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:50)
Yeah,

really. ⁓ Like you've done so much for me. You brought me joy when I was a kid by making good times. So I'm going to have Jimmy J.J. Walker be in my movie, stuff like that. So it's fascinating to me to see a director who just unashamedly loves movies and TV and pop culture and music. And he just weaves it all together to tell these stories that nobody else could tell. I don't love every Tarantino movie, which I'll be honest.

Tug McTighe (1:04:55)
Right, so I'm gonna-

Yeah, so come be in this movie. Yeah, exactly.

And he's just a unique guy that way, he really is.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:15)
in this unpopular opinion. didn't love Inglourious Basterds, but I probably need to give it another shot. But they're still, it's unmistakably his movie, like nobody else's. How long do you think that the events of this movie took from start to finish? No, I'm asking you, what do you think? Remember like you watch Pulp Fiction and you're like, how long did this take? Can you try to piece it together?

Tug McTighe (1:05:26)
R-Right! I-I-I don't know! I-I don't know!

If you

Google Pulp Fiction actual timeline, people have tried to piece it together, like how it actually happened. don't know. This is several weeks at first, then six months later, then I think a couple days.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:46)
It's like 48 hours. Yeah. Total. If you take the part of Italy, because he was gone for months. But who else? What other director do you ask that question? Where you're like, how long did this movie take? Let's break it down. Right.

Tug McTighe (1:05:48)
48 hours, yeah, after they get back.

Right, right.

No, you don't know. When did this happen? Who was it? Where was it? Yeah. And

I'm with you on the, don't love everything he does. have a constant description of Quentin's movies where I say, I don't love all of them, but I like to see all of them. Cause there's always something interesting happening. He's trying to do something. And like I said, hateful eight doesn't really work for me.

He's trying to do something, right? He's trying to do. It's always interesting. that's why you can't say that about. There's a handful of directors you can say that about.

Matt Loehrer (1:06:29)
Yeah, he's intriguing in a way that not every director is. And I get it. Some directors are out there in a way that they're just making money or they're serving up popcorn and that's fine. ⁓ You know, Michael Bay, you don't think, geez, was he trying to do here? he trying to say? What interesting way is he going to blow up this helicopter? Sure.

Tug McTighe (1:06:32)
BWAH-WI-

Absolutely.

No, smash him up. And that's what he wants to do. Let him.

Yep, no problem. So I think I know. Send a hit or send a miss. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (1:06:55)
sin hit 1000%. Two

hours 41 minutes, but it does not feel like it and I would absolutely recommend it to fans. Yep.

Tug McTighe (1:06:59)
No, it rock them, them.

Yeah, I love this movie. It's one of my favorites. ⁓ I watched it, saw it in the theater, watched it on a plane, have seen it several times. It was fun rewatching it with this in mind, because I thought you would like it. A lot of great stuff. All right, well, that was really fun. That's great. Technical issues, be damned. We got it figured out by the end, so well done.

Matt Loehrer (1:07:06)
It was great.

Yeah, sorry about that.

Tug McTighe (1:07:22)
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Matt Loehrer (1:07:48)
Yeah, we got a season three coming soon. So we're going to do three more movies and then we're done for this season and we will have a slate of 10 more. So if you have requests, we would love to ⁓ get them. Cinemassageemail.com. Send them.

Tug McTighe (1:07:53)
Yep. Yep. Get him in now. Yep.

Alright, what are we doing next?

Matt Loehrer (1:08:02)
the Holdovers.

Tug McTighe (1:08:03)
Yes. I'm going to tell you what I think I know. Because it ain't much. Paul Giamatti, written and directed by Alexander Payne. This will be our second foray into a film featuring this creative partnership. I know he's a teacher at a boarding school. I think it's a Thanksgiving and Christmas holiday. And that's it. That's all I know.

Matt Loehrer (1:08:06)
Okay, ⁓ tell me what you think you know.

Yeah, me too. ⁓ I have not seen it. I can tell you that one of our faithful listeners said she hated hated sideways. So Amy, you might want to skip this one too, but but it might be great. It might be hilarious. Who knows? ⁓ Eager to see it.

Tug McTighe (1:08:34)
That's right.

But did she like the sideways episode? Great, I'll take it. No problem, that doesn't bother me at all. All right, that's another Sin of Misses. I'm Tug. That's a wrap, and we'll see you next time in Hollywood.

Matt Loehrer (1:08:38)
Yes. She just hated the movie.

Amen.

See you next time.