CINEMISSES! Step Brothers

In today's episode, Matt and Tug take on Step Brothers, exploring the themes of personal growth and the transition that Brennan and Dale take as they grow into adulthood. (Spoiler alert: There isn't a ton of growth.) The convo ranges from Matt and Tug's love of improv comedy to the comedic partnership between Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly and finishes with the boys discussing some of the humorous moments from the film including the amazing presentation of Prestige Worldwide and, of course, the Catalina Wine Mixer. It's a spirited conversation with lots of laughs and at least 13 F-bombs. Listen! But do not touch my drum set!

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Tug McTighe (00:00)
You're listening to Cinemisses, a podcast about movies that one or the other of your two hosts just never got around to seeing. I'm Tug.

Matt Loehrer (00:07)
And I'm Matt, reminding you that anybody can make a podcast about movies they have seen. We are here because we haven't. Thanks for joining us on Cinemisses and action.

Tug McTighe (00:15)
All right, so you have a brother. I have two brothers. Yeah, I have two brothers and that brothers have a there's a special relationship between brothers, wouldn't you say? Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (00:17)
I do. have a sister and a younger brother, yes.

for sure. Yeah, he was

best man of my wedding. I was best man of his best friend.

Tug McTighe (00:30)
Right. My brothers

were best men at mine. Best men. We all wore Chuck Taylors, by the way, with our tuxes. That was my groomsman gift to everybody. was black, low cut Chuck Taylors. Because we didn't want to wear the dumb tux shoes.

Matt Loehrer (00:33)
Nice. yeah, very good.

Yes you did.

very cool.

Yeah, now I get it. That's smart.

Tug McTighe (00:47)
So the thing about brothers is because of that connection, you can literally be scratching each other's eyes out in a fight and calling each other every curse word in the book and then be laughing about something or it's forgotten. It's not there's no, you you're not holding any grudges and I feel so bad for like you hear about these people. I haven't talked to my brother in 15 years and I'm like go talk to your brother.

Matt Loehrer (01:10)
Right? Life's short, man.

Tug McTighe (01:10)
Jesus, clean it up.

I remember one time, Brad, I'm the oldest, Brad's five years younger than me and Chris is eight years younger than me. And my dad was sitting, we had a narrow like shotgun like style family room in a split level. And we had a love seat on one side and a couch on the other. And my dad sat in the back in his easy chair and the TV was out at the end. And he was sitting there probably drinking a beer. And Brad kept hitting me with this pillow.

Like on the couch, like coming across and hitting me, coming across and hit me. He was probably 10 and I was 15. And I stood up and I go, Hey, give me that pillow. And he handed it to me and I whacked him across the goddamn face with it. Like right in the face. And he goes, dad, you're to let him do that to me. And he goes, you're the dumb ass that gave him the pillow. So it's just that kind of shit.

Matt Loehrer (01:55)
And I'm sure

you laugh about it now. Yeah, I don't laugh and I laugh with you a lot, but I don't laugh as hard with anybody as I do.

Tug McTighe (02:01)
That's right. That's exactly right. So the reason we bring up brothers is because while we have real brothers, we don't have any step brothers, but that's the movie we're going to talk about today. That is quite a turn I made. I think you can agree. Yeah. Yeah. I liked how we got there, but, step brothers is, is one of my favorite of the will. Feral, verse, kind of came out of nowhere for me.

Matt Loehrer (02:12)
It is nice. knew where it was going, but I still liked how you got there.

Tug McTighe (02:24)
I never saw in the theater, but I've seen it at least 50 times, Matt, on TV and on DVD, cetera. But as always, we, we start the show by asking the person who's not seen the movie, that's you. It's funny. I had not seen Talladega nights and you had not seen this. So we make a nice bookend in these, these two movies. so Matt, what did you think you knew about step brothers?

Matt Loehrer (02:44)
Okay, I thought that this was I thought I knew this was another collaboration between Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly who had done a couple things together. I thought it came out after Talladega nights, but the premise was kind of the same where you have two adult men who are kind of idiot children. In this movie, they become stepbrothers. They initially hate each other. They become best friends and hijinks ensue, which I think pretty much I think I nailed it.

Tug McTighe (03:00)
Like.

Right?

So you knew everything. Yeah. I think this came out like two years after Talladega. So it was like for Will, was like old school, Anchorman blew up, then Talladega, think, and then this. That's right to the stratosphere. ⁓ OK, let's do the log line. I've got two for you to choose from.

Matt Loehrer (03:11)
Right.

I believe you're right, came out in 2008.

Yeah, and Anchorman was the one that really got him rolling. Right.

Tug McTighe (03:33)
Brennan Huff and Dale Doback, by the way, the name Doback, it just makes me happy. Doback, Brennan Huff and Dale Doback have one thing in common. They're both lazy, unemployed leeches who still live with their parents. When Brennan's mother and Dale's father marry and move in together, turns the overgrown boys world upside down. Their insane rivalry and narcissism pull the new family apart, forcing them to work together to reunite their parents. I think that's too freaking long. So I found this other one. Two middle-aged men who live with their single parents are forced to live together when their parents get married and they must learn to get along.

Matt Loehrer (03:36)
Yeah.

Yeah, I like that one much better. It's like give me the Ernest Hemingway log line. Don't give me the the flowery Oscar Wilde.

Tug McTighe (04:03)
Yeah.

Yeah, I don't, don't, yeah. Yeah, I don't need

the Oscar with the portrait of the artist as a young man version. Just the facts, ma'am. That's right.

Matt Loehrer (04:12)
Yeah, just do your job. ⁓

But that sounds about right.

Tug McTighe (04:18)
Step Brothers is a 2008 American comedy film directed by Adam McKay produced by Jimmy Miller and Judd Apatow written by Will Ferrell and McKay from a story by Ferrell McKay and John C. Reilly.

Glad to see John C. Reilly at least a story by credit in there. It follows Brennan and Dale, two grown men were forced to live together as stepbrothers after their single parents with whom they still live, marry each other. Richard Jenkins, ⁓ classic that guy. Mary Steenburgen, Adam Scott, and Catherine Hahn also star. So this is a pretty stacked cast. ⁓ Yeah, so produced by Columbia Pictures, Apatow again, mosaic media group, Gary Sanchez Productions, and Sony released it on July 25th, 2008.

Matt Loehrer (04:30)
Mm-hmm.

That guy.

Yeah, I was impressed with the cast for sure.

Tug McTighe (04:54)
two years almost to the day after Talladega Nights, the Ballad of Ricky Bobby. Both feature films have the same actors, as well as the same producing and writing team. Initially, pretty actually not great reviews, but since gained one of those growers, I think gained a cult following. We'll talk about home media in a little bit. But I think again, garnering, garnering praise for the improv and just these movies.

you know, you're like, well, you're going to see the Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly show. That's what you're going for. You don't really you don't really care what they're doing.

Matt Loehrer (05:24)
Right, I'm glad you mentioned

Young by dimension improv though you can't talk about this movie without mentioning as you did a adam mckay and be judd appal so let's do that cuz they really generated. What like they created a universe of blockbusters.

Tug McTighe (05:42)
In like a 10 year period, right?

Matt Loehrer (05:44)
Right. And and just the interconnectivity of their worlds. ⁓ And I think they kind of came to be connected through doing these movies together. I don't know. They had a personal connection, but Apatow started out doing stand up and met a lot of people he would cast in his movies through that. So ⁓ like he was in an Elvis Costello concert and he met Ben Stiller. Right. And ended up writing the Ben Stiller show, which was really good. He was doing stand up at the improv and he met Adam Sandler and they ended up

Tug McTighe (05:48)
Yeah. Yeah.

Right.

Matt Loehrer (06:11)
becoming roommates. And as he was writing, he met Gary Shanley and wrote for his show. And then he was head writer on the animated series, The Critic, which I always enjoyed the John Lovett show. It lot of fun.

Tug McTighe (06:18)
I did like the critic. I

didn't know for a long time that he was involved.

Matt Loehrer (06:23)
Yeah, I didn't either. ⁓ And then he got into writing movies like I mentioned my brother Alex heavyweights. We have a soft spot for the movie, which was that Disney as kind of ragtag group of losers at a fat camp. But Ben Stiller was so funny in that as like insane owner. ⁓ And then he did Freaks and Geeks with Seth Rogen and Jason Segel.

Tug McTighe (06:29)
Hahaha

Right.

my god, so good. Yeah.

One glorious season,

and I urge everybody to watch it if you haven't watched it. Young, the cast is bananas. They're all famous now. And Judd Apatow stuck them all together and found them when they were little kids.

Matt Loehrer (06:57)
sure and he did another one season wonder called Undeclared which was kind of equal to that so if you like the one you should see the other and then cut to 2004 Appetize producing Anchorman directed by Adam McKay and starring Will Ferrell and McKay was an improv guy which it's interesting you mentioned that and I'm glad you did because so much of his style is cameras on and you guys just go. ⁓

Tug McTighe (07:01)
I love the underclar2.

Thank

Let them

cook, right? As they say, let the kids say, let them cook. also say six, seven. No, there are two glorious weeks in October. said, let them cook.

Matt Loehrer (07:24)
I don't know if they say it anymore, but they used to.

Right, until we said it, and then they said we're not.

Tug McTighe (07:32)
And then it's really

dead. He has this one scene out. Appetiles one scene in Anchorman where he's one of the news guys in the newsroom. And it's when Paul Rudd puts on Sex Panther and he comes out and and Apple just walks by and he goes, it smells like Bigfoot's dick. Yeah, just walking through the newsroom.

Matt Loehrer (07:46)
That was him.

Nice yeah and I didn't know McKay helped found the upright citizens Brigade. ⁓

Tug McTighe (07:55)
Yes, I did know that and he was mckay

came to I'm 99 sure that he came to SNL with Will Ferrell and and was a writer. He became a writer.

Matt Loehrer (08:04)
He was a head.

Yeah, he was head writer before Tina Fey. He actually brought Tina Fey along and she succeeded him as head writer. So that's where he met Will Ferrell. They formed this Gary Sanchez Productions. And from that came Anchorman, Talladega Nights, the other guys and the subject of today's podcast, Step Brothers, along with other films that you might have forgotten about, but starred Will Ferrell like Get Hard, Daddy's Home, the campaign with Zag Alvin Ackers and Land of the Lost, which was.

Tug McTighe (08:10)
Here you go.

I had such high hopes for Land of the Lost and it did not work.

Matt Loehrer (08:31)
That's a great, but I bet a bunch of people saw it because it was a world movie. So between those two, Appetown McKay, largely featuring Feral, but also up and coming stars like Paul Rudd and Melissa McCarthy, Jason Sudeikis, they created this really substantial body of work in the early to mid 2000s. Some good, some less good, but a lot of it.

Tug McTighe (08:35)
Oh, a bunch of people saw it. Yeah, a bunch of people saw it.

a lot

and, right, like you were saying, spread the, they spread the wealth, right? They're, they, they meet these people that upright citizens brigade, they meet these people at SNL, they bring them along. They, they have a, it's, we talked about, you know, Coppola, Scorsese, Tarantino, they have this stable of, of, of performers that they like.

And that they use a lot. it seems like most of the directors that we talk about here and that are, you know, decades long careers come back to the same five or six people a lot and, and feral Rudd. Now, yeah, this is a, this is a lot of people got to join the come in at come inside the tent.

Matt Loehrer (09:28)
They do, but in this case, I feel like it's a couple dozen.

And I feel if you

can work with them, like if you can work in the way that McKay likes where the camera's rolling and you're improvising and you're giving them good stuff, he's gonna put you in the movie and that's gonna be a springboard for all sorts of other stuff.

Tug McTighe (09:51)
He'll bring you back. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Okay, so stepbrothers, ⁓ opened in 3094 theaters and grows 30.9 million. It went on to gross a hundred million, a hundred million and 500 grand domestically and 28 almost internationally for a total of about one 28 ish million, which is a lot was certainly a lot in 2008. And I don't know what the budget, do we have the budget here, Matt? It couldn't have been.

Matt Loehrer (10:10)
a lot.

I

think the budget was surprisingly large. think it was close to 65 million. ⁓ Salaries, I'm not sure where, I'm not sure where that money went.

Tug McTighe (10:21)
That seems high. Yeah. It's gotta be south. Cause right. There's not a ton of locations.

There's not a ton of moving parts really. Okay. So one point.

Matt Loehrer (10:32)
There's one notable

CGI part that I think we'll talk about later, but.

Tug McTighe (10:36)
Okay, I can't wait. All right, it's important also to talk about 2008 and what home media sales did, what DVD sales could do in those days not so long ago. So it was released on December 2nd, 2008 by Sony Pictures Home Entertainment in a single disc rated edition, a single disc unrated edition, and a two disc.

Unrated Edition It sold 3.87 million units in DVD and Blu-ray totaling 67 or 63 million That is a lot of homes With a stepbrothers disc in it

Matt Loehrer (11:10)
crazy.

Right, I'm always amused by people that get the unrated version like they think there's like, there's going to be nudity in this. I don't know what they think they're getting.

Tug McTighe (11:21)
Right, is that what they want? Right, right, right.

Hey, I need some boobs. Just more F words. For the home video release, I remember when this was a thing that Farrell Riley and Adam McKay did a commentary track, but this one was mostly in song. Accompanied by a power pop legend named John Brian, who was a part of jellyfish for a few years. ⁓ And again, the track.

Matt Loehrer (11:25)
Do get more F words? I don't know what the

well. I love-

Tug McTighe (11:45)
This description says, track covers the movie making process and their characters off screen lives in remarks that range from inspired to irritating and prolonged. But again, to your point about Improv 1, Farrell and Riley get in a good groove. It's funny, right? It's funny.

Matt Loehrer (11:59)
I imagine like the movie if you watch the commentary track again and again and again, it gets funnier and funnier.

Tug McTighe (12:04)
Yeah,

right. That's right. That's right. and then just in case, they banged out a 4k blue, cause what you need is step brothers in 4k.

Matt Loehrer (12:12)
Right. Need that close up because those guys are looking.

Tug McTighe (12:13)
for all those, yeah, for

all those giant set pieces.

Matt Loehrer (12:17)
Yeah, that's amazing that it made as much in DVD sales as it did. so I don't know if the reason is that people just loved it and wanted to watch it again and again, or if it hit at a time when DVDs were everybody had a DVD player now and they're relatively cheap and.

Tug McTighe (12:34)
Some piece, I think some piece of all of that, you

Matt Loehrer (12:37)
For 2008,

the vibe was bad, like everything's were so bad. We'd had a housing crisis, so.

Tug McTighe (12:42)
I just needed to laugh.

Sometimes we gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Matt Loehrer (12:47)
Maybe that's what it was. I'm not sure. How did it do on how to do on the tomato meter?

Tug McTighe (12:52)
horrible 54 % 200 reviews thought it sucked and I gotta tell you the popcorn meter not a lot better a c69 getting close to a see Meet me too that was surprising just because as as we mentioned before it sort of Became a cult classic thing like

Matt Loehrer (12:55)
Pretty bad.

That really surprised me.

Tug McTighe (13:18)
people when people started watching stepbrothers like people well they bought all those DVDs

Matt Loehrer (13:23)
I mean, the way you feel about it is the way a lot of people I've talked to feel about it. There's a lot of love for this movie out there. So that's.

Tug McTighe (13:25)
Are you right?

That's right. That's right. So just

fact that those are solo is a little shocking.

Matt Loehrer (13:33)
So in terms of what the critics had to say these are can be amusing. Rotten Tomatoes critical consensus reads stepbrothers indulges in a cheerfully relentless immaturity that will quickly turn off viewers unamused by Farrell and Riley and delight those who find their antics hilarious. That's reasonable.

Tug McTighe (13:49)
But that's exactly right. Because if you

don't like these two, you hate this fricking thing. And if you like it, you're in.

Matt Loehrer (13:54)
yeah, because that.

Right on Metacritic film had a weighted average score of 51 out of 100 based on 33 critics. Audiences surveyed by CinemaScore gave the film a grade B on an A to F scale. Roger Ebert, who I love. Yeah, RIP, but he was great. He gave the film 1.5 out of 4 stars and stated when did comedies get so mean? Stepbrothers has a premise that might have produced a good time at the movies.

Tug McTighe (14:08)
All Raj.

Matt Loehrer (14:20)
But when I left, felt a little unclean. I didn't find it terribly mean. I don't know where.

Tug McTighe (14:23)
no, no, i didn't find it

mean

Matt Loehrer (14:26)
I didn't either. Ty Burr and the Boston Globara stepbrothers is crudely funny, which means that sometimes. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (14:30)
Crudely funny, yes. Mean

no, crudely funny, yes. Crudely funny, yes.

Matt Loehrer (14:34)
yeah.

There are prosthetic fake testicles in this movie. And you don't see that a lot.

Tug McTighe (14:39)
There sure are. I've

only time I've ever seen it, I think. It's fairly rare. The prosthetic testicles are fairly rare. This is it just in general.

Matt Loehrer (14:44)
Really rare.

Very rare.

Yes, that means that sometimes it's crudely hilarious and more often it's just crude variety critic John Anderson, who I don't believe is the lead singer of Yes, it's a different John Anderson. You'd be a really have really high pitched ⁓ criticism. The film is funny at times, but lapses into the reflexive vulgarity that seems to be the default mechanism of the appetite machinery. So it is I mean, it's you get what you expect to get.

Tug McTighe (14:59)
I wish it were. That'd be amazing if he was also a movie critic.

That's right.

You should not be surprised.

Matt Loehrer (15:16)
So then the British Film Institute's 2012 site and sound polls of the greatest movies ever made. Justin Kurtzell named Stepbrothers one of his 10 favorite films in 2025. It was one of the readers choice. 100 best movies of the 21st century, though it came in at, I think, two hundred and fifth place. So that didn't quite break the top 100.

Tug McTighe (15:38)
The 100 best movies

of the 20th century, they went all the way down to 205 though.

Matt Loehrer (15:42)
Apropos of nothing else actor Joaquin Phoenix said stepbrothers is the movie he's seen more times than any other.

Tug McTighe (15:48)
I never would have guessed that out of Owa Keen. He seems a little intense. Maybe he's so goddamn intense. He needs to cool off with the Step Brothers viewing every once in a while. Yeah, right. One of the top grossing R rated films of all time. I learned from a podcast. Which podcast? This one.

Matt Loehrer (15:56)
Maybe like that when he made Joker, he needed to step back from the lead. ⁓

Yeah, I mean, to a good one. It was it

was ours last one. So believe it or not, Adam McKay wanted to make this initially a drama and not a comedy. Which surprised me, but when you look at, know, you think, Adam McKay just makes these movies, he made the big short, which was the movie, which was really well done and had a blockbuster cast. It had Christian Bale. Ryan Dowsing, Steve Carell, Carell. ⁓

Tug McTighe (16:22)
Yeah. Really great movie. Yeah, that's a really great movie.

Matt Loehrer (16:31)
So he is capable of making heady stuff, but he's also capable of making this.

Tug McTighe (16:34)
Yeah. And, and

if I'm not mistaken, he, made the bio pic about Cheney also. Vice. There you go. Yeah. What's the bail?

Matt Loehrer (16:41)
Yes, vice he did that one too.

Yeah, so he's not a you know quote unquote dumb movie guy. He can make.

Tug McTighe (16:48)
No,

no, and certainly not a one trick pony. When I heard he was the big short, when I started hearing about that, and then I realized that he was writing it and directing it, I'm like, well, is it gonna be funny? And no, it's amusing at times, right? There's great performances. No, it's a really well done flick.

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Matt Loehrer (17:47)
Nicely done.

Tug McTighe (17:47)
Thank you. So this is a great cast, ⁓ Farrell as Brennan, John C. Reilly as Dale Dobak, Mary Steenburgen as Nancy Huff. I love Mary Steenburgen. Real life watch of T.V.' Ted Danson.

Matt Loehrer (17:51)
Really.

I did too. She was lovely in that.

That's right. She was lovely in this. And great as this, you know, she and Richard Jenkins, who's up next, both playing that straight character where they have these kids that are just crazy. And they're like, what? There's this scene where they're fighting and she says, what the effing F and I'm like, yes, that's how normal people would encounter this. That's what you say.

Tug McTighe (18:10)
Yes.

Right, right, and she-

She goes,

you screamed rape. He goes, I thought, really thought he was gonna rape me. He had a look in his eye.

Matt Loehrer (18:27)
He's like.

He was coming at me.

Yeah, so and she's also an enabler to say she enabled his behavior. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (18:36)
Yes, with the therapist she's like, ⁓

I know you like him.

Matt Loehrer (18:40)
But yeah, you're a keeper. That's right. ⁓

Tug McTighe (18:42)
Well, don't forget.

Don't forget it. The flashback to the talent show when Derek was in his friends were saying Brennan has a man, Gina. She goes, I have to admit I joined in for a minute.

Matt Loehrer (18:52)
Some of the meaner parents joined in and for a while I was doing it too. That was pretty, but she delivered that line really well and. I thought it was surprisingly nuanced performance like like she could have just she didn't have to do a whole lot. If she didn't want to, she could have just phone this in and it would have been fine, but you do get a sense that she is a more complicated. Person right there as a mother that she's she knows on one level.

Tug McTighe (18:58)
So yeah, perfectly. She's very funny.

Matt Loehrer (19:18)
this kid's a goofball and she should be expecting more of him. on the other hand, explains it away and she enables his behavior. And she says, hey, no, I mean, I got to give him credit for being creative. And it's just a little more nuanced than it probably had to be. So I like that.

Tug McTighe (19:20)
That's correct.

That's right.

Right.

Yeah, then it could have

exactly then it happened to me for sure.

Matt Loehrer (19:39)
I thought she was great.

And as I mentioned, Richard Jenkins as Robert Dobach.

Tug McTighe (19:43)
He's incredible. He's a great, he was a that guy for a long time who now is a big star.

Matt Loehrer (19:49)
Yeah, yeah, he I I'd seen him in things like cabin in the woods, which I character actor, but I didn't realize critically acclaimed best supporting actor nomination for Shape of Water. The gear. ⁓ And fun fact, before acting, he had a job driving a linen truck in Illinois and his boss was the father of, you know. John C. Reilly. So he met John C. Reilly.

Tug McTighe (19:59)
Yeah, he was quite in that.

Bill Murray. Really?

Matt Loehrer (20:14)
when John C. Reilly was six years old and he was driving that, you know, he was probably, you know, 17 or 18 years old and he was driving a linen truck in DeKalb, Illinois.

Tug McTighe (20:23)
That is something I did not know. you go. Decalb, Illinois. Good Midwestern boy. I like it. I first saw him in. He was the father that passed away in Six Feet Under at the funeral home. He was the first time I saw him. And then I love the Shape of Water, which is on our list on this podcast to do. So maybe we'll do it soon. I love Adam Scott as Derek. He's great.

Matt Loehrer (20:25)
Yeah, great.

Yeah, that's fun.

Right.

I've not seen it.

Tug McTighe (20:47)
Since he's become famous like right now. He's blown up because he's on the Ben Stiller show Severance ⁓ Yeah, never seen it. Sarah loves it. I gotta watch it. Yeah, I gotta watch it. It's right on my alley but he was always he I've heard a lot of interviews with him and he's like look before before Parks and Rec

Matt Loehrer (20:53)
severance, which is great.

it's really good.

Tug McTighe (21:07)
he was in Knocked Up. He had one scene in Knocked Up. He was the gynecological nurse. And he's like, I was a really, really serious actor, leaning very serious roles. And then I didn't think I was funny. And then they put me in these movies. Apatow puts me in Knocked Up and people love the scene and Ken Yong's there and I'm chewing it up with him. And then I get Parks and Rec and he goes, now I'm here. He goes, it's great to be in both of these worlds.

Matt Loehrer (21:29)
Yeah.

Yeah, he can he can really do it. He had a part in the DiCaprio film, Aviator, the Howard Hughes movie. ⁓ He was in he's part of the Star Trek universe. He was in Star Trek First Contact at the very beginning. He's on board warfs little he's on board that he's on board the Defiant. They're like there's some scum and it's the enterprise like they think they're going to die in the enterprise station. So.

Tug McTighe (21:38)
Mm-hmm.

⁓

Okay, I'll have to go look at the scene. I didn't know. I didn't know.

Matt Loehrer (21:55)
I remember him from that, but yeah, I'd seen him in shows like Party Down. He always did comedy stuff, but yeah, he was a dramatic actor and then one day kind of took a turn. And I think this movie too had a lot to do with him moving into that comedic realm.

Tug McTighe (21:59)
Yep. Yep. Yep.

100%.

100%.

Catherine Han is Alice Huff. She's Derek's wife. I adore Catherine Han in everything she's in. She is one of these actors who just makes me happy. ⁓ She's awesome in this as as poor Alice who's just desperate to get out of her terrible relationship with with Derek because he's such an ass. But I just love I wish I wish she had had more scenes in this.

Matt Loehrer (22:21)
Yeah, I agree. She's fantastic.

Tug McTighe (22:35)
And then you've got a lot of people that I don't quite know who they are, like Andrea Savage and Lori Poston and Elizabeth Yo's camp. Travis T. Flory was redheaded kid, so that's a cleverly named ⁓ character. But she's in. Very premiered. He's a sister.

Matt Loehrer (22:47)
here. Shira Piven, the nurse who, that's Jeremy Piven's sister, but

it's also Adam McKay's wife, so.

Tug McTighe (22:56)
who knew? There you go. That's your full of it tonight. And I mean full of it.

Matt Loehrer (22:57)
Yeah, that's why she's in there and then. There's a bunch of people

and then a bunch of cameos too.

Tug McTighe (23:02)
Yeah, you got Rogan was in there as one of the one of the interviewers, right? He's like, did you just fart? Now I can taste it. Now it's sort of in my teeth. Now. Yeah. Okay. What I thought was kind of cool at first now is really creepy. So you guys have to get out of here, right?

Matt Loehrer (23:08)
Yeah.

⁓

it now that the

toes are seem weird. ⁓ Phil Lamar. Yeah, funny. So Phil Lamar was the guy that they showed the house to and for people that don't know Phil Lamar, he's a voice actor for one, but he was also the guy that got his head blown off in Pulp Fiction.

Tug McTighe (23:20)
Yeah. Now the tuxedo seem weird. Yeah. Fill the water.

Shit, just shot Marvin in the face. Right.

Matt Loehrer (23:36)
Yes, he played Marvin. So

why he was in this role, I'm not sure. I felt like he was kind of wasted. Ken Jeong, also Horatio fans. And Rob Riggle, talk about Rob Riggle for a second.

Tug McTighe (23:48)
Rob Riggle, Kansas City's favorite, Shiny Mission South, another Southie. He and, ⁓ he and David Desmalion went to South. Rudd and, and Sudeikis went to Shiny Mission West where I went, but he's another one of these guys. He's a Midwestern guy. He, I think he was in the Marines. I know he was in the Armed Forces. I believe he was in the Marines and then came out and started

doing this and now he's turned himself into a highly known and quite successful comedic actor. you saying pow? Yeah, just an all just wriggle going off the the off the cliff.

Matt Loehrer (24:16)
Yeah, I don't love him.

Yeah, I could do with that Rob Riggle. Yeah, I don't want him to die or anything, but I just, not my favorite. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (24:27)
All right, can you do without Rob Briggle? He's a no, right. But just get out of your face.

Yeah, because he's he's he's here all the time. It's there's not a lot of subtlety.

Matt Loehrer (24:36)
yeah.

So yeah, a lot of cameos, a really good cast. was and the cameos I thought made sense. But again, there are people orbiting that Apatow-McKay universe that are like, can you come for a day? Can you come for a couple hours to do a

Tug McTighe (24:49)
That's That's right.

Hey, hey,

hey, I saw you in the commissary. Why don't you come over and do this? Matt Walsh who was drunk corporate guy is, is another one of these guys. was in VEEP Matt. He was, he was also Matt Walsh was also an upright citizens, but great brigade guy. He was in, he was the doctor in hangover when he goes, you know, when they're in the hospital and, Bradley Cooper goes, I'm sorry. I know this is not your, what you, you,

Matt Loehrer (25:09)
Yeah.

Tug McTighe (25:17)
You're a doctor. You're just not your job. But can you tell us where that is? And he goes, yes, it's at the corner of Google it and get a fucking map. And he goes, okay, thank you. Yeah, good. But not Walsh. You've seen him in all kinds of stuff.

Matt Loehrer (25:25)
Yeah, that guy's been in it.

Yeah, for sure.

Tug McTighe (25:29)
Who's our that guy? Phil Lamar? It's gotta be Phil Lamar.

Matt Loehrer (25:32)
⁓ that's a great question in this one. It might be Matt Walsh, to be honest.

Tug McTighe (25:37)
It might be Matt Walsh. could be Horatio Sands who shows up as a for what? Two minutes as the lead singer of the eighties. Joel, sir. Play up. Play. Play piano man. We only play eighties. Joel, sir.

Matt Loehrer (25:44)
Yeah

Yeah, what did I say?

I was also amused when he was like, he said the entire title of keeping the faith. Sometimes you just gotta keeping the faith. It's great. He didn't. You didn't adjust it to. I thought that was funny. ⁓ No, I think it's Matt Walsh. I really do.

Tug McTighe (25:59)
Keeping the faith, yeah. Yeah.

So yeah,

I like Matt Walsh. He's funny. Again, what's this movie about? I'll tell you what it's about. Two step brothers. So we got 39 year old. They're very specific in the right up here, Matt. 39 year old Brennan Huff and 40 year old Dale Dobak are these two immature morons still living with their parents.

Matt Loehrer (26:08)
What's this movie about?

Tug McTighe (26:24)
Brendan lives with his mom, Nancy. Well, Dale lives with his father, Robert. are a couple of great scenes, Matt, where Robert and Nancy meet at the medical convention. And he sees her in the audience and kind of loses his speaking. And she's smitten with him and he's smitten with her. And then they're making out and they're taking each other's clothes off. I have to tell you, I have a 40-year-old son who still lives with me. And he goes, that is so weird. I have a 40-year-old son who lives with me.

Matt Loehrer (26:41)
making out in a room.

Tug McTighe (26:49)
And so they meet and fall in love. And then, you know, there's very quickly we get into they meet they fall in love. They've got married and or they're getting married whatever. Yeah, they've gotten married and they're moving in together.

Matt Loehrer (26:57)
Then we're at the wedding.

Yeah, so that scene grew on me, the wedding scene, because that's the first time you really meet Brennan and Dale. And they both are, you could tell they're mad and they're both acting like idiots, but Will Salmon and the salmon, like, I you I didn't want salmon!

Tug McTighe (27:08)
And Dale, right.

Sam,

he stands up, I told you. He just stands up.

Matt Loehrer (27:17)
⁓ That was

that was funnier on repeat repeat viewings. I watched this probably three times, so

Tug McTighe (27:21)
Yeah,

there's just a lot of, you have to, I think with Will Ferrell, you sort of have to let yourself like it. And sometimes it doesn't work, but sometimes it does. It doesn't always work. I can tell you that. Cause there's a bunch of this Will Ferrell shit that I don't think is very funny.

Matt Loehrer (27:34)
And I thought,

yeah, and I thought it was clear, like in Talladega Nights, it's pretty clear when they're just riffing, which I think is most of this movie.

Tug McTighe (27:43)
without question.

It feels less, sorry, one, yes. There's a lot of them just playing off each other. But for whatever reason, Matt, one, I think this movie is 20 times funnier than Talladega Nights. And I think it's tighter. Remember how we talked about...

Okay, yeah, now there's a four minute scene where will does whatever he does and now there's another three minute scene of Of john c. Riley dude this one felt

tighter to me for some reason. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (28:11)
They did less of that. think

he wasn't just given free rein to go for like 10 minutes. I do think you're right. I think they tightened it up a bit. I'm sure there is the unrated version is probably four hours long.

Tug McTighe (28:25)
Correct. it's, again, it's probably not as funny. Cause it's just, yeah. Yeah. Of course, some of it to your point, some of it is funny, but we're still watching a movie with a story, right? I still need to move the plot along here.

Matt Loehrer (28:29)
Right, but you get more of that stuff.

Tug McTighe (28:38)
I love this scene. We'll play it here in a sec. When Brennan is driving over to one. He's in the back seat with his mom Nancy and she says somebody's being awfully quiet back there like he's 10 and then he goes off and he says he says I'll tell you what I'm not going to call him dad.

Matt Loehrer (28:51)
and

Tug McTighe (28:55)
She goes, you're 39. You wouldn't expect you to call him dad. He goes, well, I'm not gonna ever. And I'll tell you what, doughback better not get in my face or I will drop that motherfucker. He just speed will feral and Matt also, I hope you noticed he was wearing a Pablo Cruz t-shirt.

Matt Loehrer (29:12)
yeah, the t-shirts are great in this movie.

Tug McTighe (29:13)
Yeah,

and most of them belong to Will Ferrell. Right out of his closet. Yeah. Yeah. Will love will find a way. Feral. so we'll play that scene. But again, as the log line taught us, Matt, they initially despise each other. and they're they're living, you know, they're all everybody in the house is walking on eggshells because these two are just

Matt Loehrer (29:16)
OK, his actual. He just. That's great. ⁓

Tug McTighe (29:33)
intensely hating each other.

Matt Loehrer (29:36)
You know, it's

funny about that. There's a scene where Nancy and Robert, are in bed and she's reading a book called Stop Walking on Eggshells. Yes, dealing with your adult child. So you were exactly right.

Tug McTighe (29:44)
is that right? Holy shit. Your adult child. Love it. that's great.

That's a great fit. So as Dale is showing him around, running around the house, he says, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is my laboratory. It's why I work on my beats. And there's one rule. And you do not, you do not touch my drum set. Don't touch it. And he's just

Matt Loehrer (30:03)
You

Tug McTighe (30:08)
insane and there's a, ⁓ know, kind of editing there. So he is not allowed to touch the drum set. So in one of their moments of fighting, what does Brendan do?

Matt Loehrer (30:21)
⁓ he not only touches the drum set. Well, he first he touches that he plays with the drum set because he's mad.

Tug McTighe (30:26)
When Brandon's, when Dale's, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt Loehrer (30:28)
Yeah, we should play that scene because then then Dale comes home and he had.

Tug McTighe (30:32)
Right. Did

you touch my drum set? No, I didn't touch it.

Matt Loehrer (30:35)
Why are you so sweaty?

Tug McTighe (30:37)
What were you

doing? Watching TV? Why are you sweating? I was watching Cops.

Matt Loehrer (30:41)
But he but of course he knew that cops doesn't come out till four so then. Yeah, Brennan races upstairs and takes out his testicles which he. They are not really his they were. They were pretty realistic. They were pretty real. And and put put them literally on the drums and then fight ensues.

Tug McTighe (30:44)
Right, I knew you were fucking lying.

Yes.

Yes, Will Ferrell paid $10,000 for those big testicles, which he still owns. He still owns.

Matt Loehrer (31:06)
So here's the thing, this is like we've described one paragraph and we're already 20 minutes into the movie. There's some funny moments like the song Dale sings at the dinner table, which was really obscene and foul. I thought was really funny. ⁓ But there's just a lot of things are happening, but you're not really. It's just kind of filler stuff. It's like, this would be funny or this would be funny. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (31:15)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No, no, just a lot. Look, a lot of bits, a lot of bits, because there's

like, and we're not going to, nobody needs us to just recreate all the work, doing it enough, but we will do it. But nobody does. Everybody's that's seen this knows, right? There's he, Well, maybe she says, I've had the old bull. Now I want the young calf. And he, sees my, my chest pubes lead down to my ball throw.

Matt Loehrer (31:43)
You're right.

That's right, just kidding.

Tug McTighe (31:47)
And he's like, Dale,

she's my wife. Right? Like there's just. Right. Right.

Matt Loehrer (31:51)
There's a lot of those reactions. It's like, it's Nancy

and Robert just reacting to their insane.

Tug McTighe (31:57)
That's right. Because

that's what you're doing. In these movies with these guys. Yeah, you're yeah, you're yeah. So after that. Punch up. Right, they have a punch up one point. They're watching Shark Week. They are grounded again. They're grounded with without television for no week. ⁓

Matt Loehrer (32:00)
Yeah, they're this great person, yes. They're reacting the way normal people.

Isn't he take

it is he takes a remote he's going to put it in it's safe. That was one of my. I know that was so funny when John C Riley says dad, what are doing at Shark Week? Just just the line like there's I don't know why, but that after after the third time I saw that I laughed when that.

Tug McTighe (32:18)
Right. He's like, dad, it's your thing.

It's shark week. Yeah.

Well, my my and this hard for me to say, but my all time favorite interchange is when they've got them in the room with the two, the two twin beds and they're looking at each other and they're like, he's like, you better not close your eyes to go to sleep because when you do, I'm going to beat the shit out of you. I'm going to get a pillowcase with bars of soap and beat you to death. And then he goes, this is a house of learned doctors and you're not a doctor. You're a curly headed fuck.

Again, just doing this stuff. It makes me giggle.

Matt Loehrer (33:01)
I know.

Tug McTighe (33:02)
Okay. So then we are introduced to Derek and this was a, if you'll recall, this was a clip that went viral where Adam Scott and Katherine Hahn, who we didn't know that well in 2008, either one of them. Now these kids in the back and they're in a car and they're doing this acapella version of sweet child. mine by guns and roses. And Derek is just criticizing Alice.

He's like Tommy, but he's like, you're flat. You're flat. He's like eight years of voice lessons. Why are they doing eight years of voice lessons? But then the kid saying, and then he remembered drives across the road. So just again, somebody had an idea for a bit where they did this and they stuck it in. It doesn't advance the plot. It doesn't do anything, but it's a funny bit. So it's, it's a, I don't know, three minutes of the movie.

Matt Loehrer (33:27)
It's flat. It's flat.

You

Yeah, I love his Derek is a successful helicopter leasing agent and your note is this is a fantastic stupid job and I think you're right.

Tug McTighe (33:53)
It's a great stupid job.

have a helicopter. One of leading helicopter leasing companies on the West Coast. It's unbelievable.

Matt Loehrer (33:59)
Yeah, he's so self-important

for this helicopter leasing business.

Tug McTighe (34:03)
right. so the, the inciting incident when they meet Derek, he said, wait, he pulls up a shirt and it's, he's all greased up and he goes, I haven't eaten a carb since 2004. but

Derek is just a dick to Brennan. He thinks ⁓ Dale's a moron and they leave dinner. And of course, Robert loves him because he's, yeah, he's smart and he's everything that Brennan isn't.

Matt Loehrer (34:28)
yeah, he's smitten with him.

I thought the kid that played his son, Derek's son, was just great as being horrible. Yeah. Like, dad, what's this guy's deal? It's like, I don't know,

Tug McTighe (34:37)
as being horrible jerk. Yeah. This guy's problem. I don't know,

buddy, but then they leave Dale and Brennan go up to a Ken. They go up to his tree house and they look at his play old stash of Playboys. And then Derek climbs up and he goes, this is like the first beginning of them starting to become friends, right? Where he goes, man, you were right. Your brother's a dick.

Matt Loehrer (34:48)
Tuesday.

Tug McTighe (34:59)
He goes, I told you, man, I told you. And then Derek comes up and goes, what are you two babies doing up here? Blah, blah. And Dale just punches him in the face.

Matt Loehrer (35:07)
You want to hit me? You look like you want to hit me. You want to hit me? And then he just punches him. That was funny. ⁓ The physical comedy in this movie was really funny. like when they hit each other in the head and knock themselves out, that wasn't as funny. the the the bed first, did I talk about that later? You know, when they decide when they're friends. So they become friends after this because yeah.

Tug McTighe (35:09)
whack and he falls down the treehouse.

plenty.

No, go ahead.

after this,

Matt Loehrer (35:29)
This was the meme. I think we just became best friends,

Tug McTighe (35:30)
they they they bond.

hatred of Derek and then there's and everybody's seen it right. He's like what's your favorite dinosaur velociraptor? What who if you were a chick, what dude would you have sex with John Stamos? ⁓ and he's like do we just become best friends? Yep. You wanna go to karate in the garage? Yep and then great needle drop of you make my dreams come true by Hall and Oates.

Matt Loehrer (35:42)
Nice demos, yeah.

Yes, so you had a bunch of montages in this, but we had like a. You know, slicing open pumpkins and do karate kicks and stuff and then I thought it was really funny when they they wanted to make bunk beds. And they're getting the power tools out and Nancy turns Robert and says, does your son know how to use power tools? He says no. Right, sir. I know what electric toothbrush sounds like, so they.

Tug McTighe (35:58)
Right. Right.

Yes.

No, no, no, no, no,

Matt Loehrer (36:18)
but they basically create this bunk bed and John C. Reilly jumps up on top of it and it just crushes, crushes Wolf Farrow. I thought that was really funny. I laughed out loud that one. That was great.

Tug McTighe (36:23)
crushes Will Ferrell. brother, Chris,

the doughback Robert uses at one point, he says, there are a couple of jagaloons. And my brother, Chris, has co-opted a jagaloon and he uses it in his everyday vernacular for someone who is in fact a jagaloon.

Matt Loehrer (36:43)
Nice.

Tug McTighe (36:44)
So, I love when Alice comes up to Dale and she finds Dale's physical violence against Derek incredibly arousing. And she says, did you, did you strike Derek in the face? I, I find that in intensely attractive. And now she starts pining for Dale.

Matt Loehrer (37:00)
Right. Unsurprisingly, she improvised all her lines in that scene and in the bathroom scene where they copulate, I believe.

Tug McTighe (37:06)
They do copulate by the way, I haven't used copulate in a while. So thank you. That's $5 to you

Matt Loehrer (37:11)
You're

I thought her character was sad and ultimately unresolved. that scene where we met her in the car was was funny singing Sweet Child of Mine. yeah, watching that emotional abuse throughout the movie. There was just a lot of that, so it was. ⁓ There's a lot of cringe humor and some people like cringe humor and I don't as much so.

Tug McTighe (37:14)
She was sad, yeah.

and she's so sad in it.

She's just looking out the window the whole time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah,

I don't. I might not have ever said it on this podcast, which would be rare. I call it the dumb dumb chills. I don't I don't like the dumb dumb chills. I don't like like I can't watch those meet the Fokker movies meet the Fokker's because it's just it's this genuinely nice guy. Greg Fokker who loves a woman just being abused the whole time.

Matt Loehrer (37:39)
Yes, you have said that, but I like it.

Yeah.

Mmm.

But also to watch them bring it on themselves and you get some of that in this movie where it's dumb behavior that's inexplicable. But anyway, ⁓ that was hard for me to watch, but it's a comedy so.

Tug McTighe (37:57)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So Brennan and Dale, right, start to bond. They're becoming friends. They love music, Dale's the drummer and Brennan says, I'm a really great singer, but I quit singing. In fact, I've been called the songbird of my generation. And then we get the story of why he doesn't sing and flashback from Nancy. It was the talent show was the last time and Brennan was singing apart from I think the Pirates of Penzance.

Matt Loehrer (38:27)
Pirates of

Benzance, yeah.

Tug McTighe (38:29)
And Derek and his friends were offstage shouting, Brennan has a man, Jaina, Brennan has a man, Jaina, Brennan has a man, Jaina. And that's what needs to, I have to admit at one point I joined in. And Derek's, yeah, so sad, right? It's like mistakes were made, I made some mistakes. And then Derek won the talent show because they did a lip sync to Ice Ice Baby.

Matt Loehrer (38:37)
She delivered that line so well, just.

She says Roberts says that's a great song. says yeah Is so is a man and I realize I should know better but is a manjina a thing? that a word they invented for this?

Tug McTighe (38:49)
That's a great song, right?

I feel like this was the first time I'd heard it.

Matt Loehrer (39:01)
It's not something that is part of my vernacular. So I not heard it before.

Tug McTighe (39:03)
Me neither. And hey,

hey, let's keep it that way. Right on. So.

Matt Loehrer (39:07)
Right on.

Yeah, Robert's getting fed up at this point with them.

Tug McTighe (39:11)
Robert.

Yeah. It's one fact it's hurting their relationship, right? They're Their plan is they're going to both retire. I think she's in medical sales. He's a doctor. They're in medical sales. She's a medical sales, I think. And they're about to, they're going to retire by this. He has a boat. I believe they're going to buy this boat, refurbish this boat and sail around the world. He's mapping it out. And the boys are just screwing it all up.

Matt Loehrer (39:22)
Right.

Bye a boat.

Tug McTighe (39:36)
because they don't have jobs, they're being supported by these two adults and they're, you know, they, he's, there's a definite strain on this relationship because of these two morons. Also, we forgot about the part that there's sleepwalkers. They're both sleepwalkers.

Matt Loehrer (39:47)
Again,

I don't think I think that was just to let them act crazy. So we get a scene where they're both sleepwalking into the kitchen and that was really pretty funny when John C. Reilly is just throwing like glassware across the kitchen and destroying stuff. That was pretty funny. And some of their lines there were pretty good, but it was just. It didn't make any sense except to kind of drive home the idea that they were driving their parents crazy.

Tug McTighe (39:52)
Smash the fuck

And you- Right.

This isn't right.

Matt Loehrer (40:15)
Especially Robert.

Tug McTighe (40:16)
That's right, especially

Robert. So then there's ⁓ Robert is flipping out and he says, look, you're losers. I have scheduled five interviews with you. You have to get jobs. You have to be self-sustaining. And they're like, why are you doing this? What did I do? Right? Again, turning into a kid. he sets up all these interviews. are all, they shit can, they decide to go to the interviews together.

Matt Loehrer (40:39)
Right. We're doing this as a team.

Tug McTighe (40:39)
Right?

That's the Seth Rogen part where they're wearing tuxedos. And then there's the famous Pam, Panned, Pam, Pam. she's like, yeah, I think I can clean up the, she goes, well, who's this gentleman behind you? And he's, hello, lady. I think I can clean up the whole Pam, Panned situation. Right? They're just, and two Ms.

Matt Loehrer (40:43)
Right.

Okay, so you know that was improvised. That was just them doing a bit.

Hello, lady.

it's P-A-M-N.

Two M's. Hey, there's another that guy that shows up in the interviewing. The guy that they turn it around and ask him how much money he makes. He's been in a ton of things and I know he was one of the Sonic. You guys? Yeah.

Tug McTighe (41:13)
Yes.

He was in the Sonic forever. Yeah.

He's done a ton of work. He's our that guy for sure. You're right. Yes. He's done a ton of stuff. He was the two guys. Yeah. so again, there's a scene that doesn't matter to the plot, but it's just more joking shit. Were they the little 13 year old kids?

Matt Loehrer (41:22)
He was in he was an Ant-Man on the Wasp. played a school teacher. Yeah, he's a pretty we'll find out his name.

Tug McTighe (41:38)
make them look white poo. I got a belly full of white dog shit. Right.

Matt Loehrer (41:42)
Yeah,

they get their walking home and they get beat up by a schoolyard full of students that are. Unsupervised. Just outside it didn't also the scene when they go to interview they they. Robert says they said we need some fancy clothes and he said just take whatever you want out of my closet. So apparently he has two tuxedos. They both get them. ⁓ I got kind of vibes of. I know they were trying to be funny there. It just.

Tug McTighe (41:44)
Yeah, they're getting bullet, yeah.

Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

You're tuxedos. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (42:08)
I got dumb and dumber vibes off of that. Like they did it. They did it better, but anyway.

Tug McTighe (42:10)
Sure. ⁓ yeah.

So again, they want Robert and Nancy reveal their plan here. The sell the house with Derek's help, retire and travel the world on sailboat. And then they sign Brennan and Dale up for therapy and they give them some money until they find work. Brennan falls in love with his therapist Denise, and she comes back later because she obviously can't data.

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Matt Loehrer (43:16)
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Tug McTighe (43:21)
We're coming up to a famous part here,

Matt Loehrer (43:23)
Right?

Tug McTighe (43:24)
At Derek's birthday party, Dale and Brennan present a pitch video because they've been thinking about careers. Right. And they are launching an entertainment company called Prestige Worldwide. Why worldwide? Why? Why? And their pitch video is a music video called Boats and Hoes. Which they film on Robert's boat without his permission.

Matt Loehrer (43:28)
They're near the career. Right.

Tug McTighe (43:43)
course the presentation backfires when the video shows they're doing the video and Robert's like wait a minute who's driving the boat and then we see the boat just crashing into the shore kidding all right so it's right shattering the boat crashes shattering their dreams of sailing the world straining the marriage even further and then it just becomes untenable

Matt Loehrer (43:52)
Like shut up, Dan. Shut up, we're doing a presentation.

Tug McTighe (44:05)
Robert's like, it's going to put my, put my dream back three years or whatever he says. And then Robert announced Robert and Nancy announced her divorcing, which now is upsetting Brennan and Dale, right? Who were pissed off in the first place. ⁓ and of course they blame each other. ⁓ Brennan and Dale go independent of one, I'll go separate. There are separate ways they're living independently and gradually become functioning adults, which we see through a lot of montage again.

Matt Loehrer (44:27)
Yeah, we

see them Brennan's filling out is 1040 easy and Dale is doing something with a Chewbacca mask on and he's like, no, I got to take this Chewbacca mask off. Be a mature adult.

Tug McTighe (44:36)
Right, he's joking around, he's gotta get some.

So the boats and hose song has become an iconic kind of rap song. In fact, feral and Riley went on stage at a Snoop Dogg concert like three years ago at the Greek theater and and they performed boats and hose into gin and juice with Snoop Dogg. So we'll play a little bit of this prestige worldwide business, which is pretty funny. And boats and hose is a terrifically funny song.

Matt Loehrer (44:55)
Thanks.

Tug McTighe (45:03)
it's like Deadliest Catch without the crabs. We're running out of gas. Call the Arabs. Right? So we'll play a little bit of that. Okay. One of my favorite parts. I keep saying that is now your hated part because it features Rob Riggle as Randy, but it's when Brennan gets a job again, great dumb job.

Brendan gets this job at Derek's helicopter leasing firm.

Matt Loehrer (45:23)
We don't know his job is he just goes to his brother and says hey, can I get a job? And he says OK sure.

Tug McTighe (45:27)
Right, right, right.

Well, he does say I've been, he goes, why do you want this Brennan? I want to be like you Derek. I want to make bank, get ass. I've been cashing checks and snapping necks. Right? And he says, wants, he says, let me take that. Let me handle the Catalina wine mixer. And Derek says something like, this is the most important helicopter leasing event.

Matt Loehrer (45:37)
I want to drive a Range Rover.

Tug McTighe (45:48)
in the west coast. If I don't make it, if I don't lease at least 80 choppers, I don't make my nut. And Brennan, you're not going to get in the way of me making my nut. And that's what Rainey's like, well, pal, pal, right? So all this.

Matt Loehrer (46:00)
Yeah, it's

weird how sometimes like Farrell's the straight man like here is like so they kind of switch roles. What are you saying, pal?

Tug McTighe (46:04)
Very much so.

Right.

Powell.

Matt Loehrer (46:09)
⁓ Yeah, so that was all improvised.

Tug McTighe (46:10)
I don't understand. I don't understand what saying.

Yeah, all of it. Yeah, all of it. That fucking Catalina wine mixer. But again, like you said, there's a lot of great improv here. Let them do what they do and we leave it in the movie. But I think that's a really good point, Matt, that I hadn't thought about is they they he does that. Farrell does that occasionally, right? Where he's Frank the Tank. You know, he's that giant Will Farrell personality be in the comp, but then he'll sort of. Resort to this.

Matt Loehrer (46:39)
turn it around.

Tug McTighe (46:41)
He's done it

a couple times. You know, what's the movie where he's the accountant where he doesn't know he's a fictional character? That one all the numbers like he's a real straight man in that

Matt Loehrer (46:46)
yeah, I don't know but I know that when you-

Dale goes to get a job. He goes to an employment service cameo by Ken Jong so that. And he says I'll take any job that doesn't involve having sex with old ladies for money or bear traps. There's my two bugaboos. So. Again, I feel like, but I like his improv. I thought it was funny. Ken Jong says there's a catering job available and as a bonus you get to play with fire.

Tug McTighe (46:55)
Yeah, we love, yeah.

or BITCH

Those are my two bugaboos.

Right.

Matt Loehrer (47:15)
So they're on their way to being adults and happy.

Tug McTighe (47:18)
They're

working. Yeah, they are mending their ways.

⁓ who's catering company, is hired to do the Catalina wine mixer, Matt.

Matt Loehrer (47:24)
it's Dale's. Thanks to Brennan.

Tug McTighe (47:25)
Course.

So they invite Nancy and Robert to attend the Catalina wine mixer. The party's going great. And they're like, can, you know, this is one of my favorite Rob Briggle moments where he goes, ⁓ I didn't think you could do it. He's talking to Will Ferrell way to go. I didn't think you could do it, but you've got to get out of here or I'm going to punch you in the face. It goes, it goes, is there something like, Nope. I think it's your face. It makes me want to take one of these and jamming into your suck hole.

Matt Loehrer (47:43)
Something about your face just makes me want to punch it.

Ha

Tug McTighe (47:51)
Is there anything I can do to help? No, I think it's just your face. So Brennan is making it happen. And then the party is going great until the lead singer of the hired 80s Billy Joel cover band, Horatio Sands, loses his temper with a heckler, and the band leaves. And no, no. ⁓ He's like, ⁓

Matt Loehrer (48:09)
So no 70s Billy Joel. Play the stranger.

He's like, did I just say?

Tug McTighe (48:15)
We only play

80s Joel, sir. then he's like, panel man, because they're getting drunk on wine at the wine mixer. Right. And he's like, only 80s Joel, sir. And you hear a snippet of we didn't start the fire. And then, like you said earlier, I think there's an Uptown Girl moment. So only 80s. Uptown Girl. That's right. So the whole thing explodes. The party is shitting itself.

Matt Loehrer (48:18)
Of course.

That's the name of the band Uptown Girls. Name of the band is meant.

Tug McTighe (48:36)
Derek thinks it's kind of funny, but it's also a giant problem for him. and he comes up and yells at Brennan and fires them on the spot. And then there's a really great scene where, Robert sees them trying to be adults and he hates it. He's like, you're not, they're not that, my God, they're not themselves. Look at them trying to force themselves into what society thinks they should do, et cetera, et cetera. So there's.

Matt Loehrer (48:50)
Right.

So he gets

that whole speech about how when he was young, he wanted more than anything to be a dinosaur. He would have his short arms and he'd go around making noises. And his dad finally said, he got a job. I'm 17 years old. So unsurprising, perhaps, Richard Jenkins improvised that entire story.

Tug McTighe (49:04)
Be a dinosaur.

Right, You're not a dinosaur. Go be a doctor. Right. Right, right.

I have

seen that clip of him explaining how Adam McKay got him to do that several times. And it's like, he just said, think of a thing, be it right. He's like, cause I'm not Jenkins is like, I'm not an improv guy. And that, that exact sort of thing is what they use as his wanted to be a dinosaur.

Matt Loehrer (49:37)
Yeah, and was it

was it good? I don't know, but it was improvised. So of course they get up so so his point is, you know. Do what you love. You have a chance to do something great here. Get up on stage and sing and play your. Right?

Tug McTighe (49:41)
but it was improvised.

Correct. Save the party. Right.

And then they jump up on stage. Brendan sings. Poor T. Valare in Italian. I don't know what that song is. Dale accompanies him on drums periodically shouting boats and hoes prestige. Right. This these worldwide wide. And then of course this because don't forget he was he's been called the songbird of this generation. So everybody.

Matt Loehrer (50:02)
Oats and hoes!

Tug McTighe (50:12)
is emotionally affected. We see a flashback of Derek when he and Will were he and Brennan were little and they're flying a kite and he goes, you're doing it, Derek. You're doing it, Derek. And he goes, I love you, Brennan. And then they cut to the Derek. He's crying.

Matt Loehrer (50:27)
Right Rob Riggles got tears coming down his face because they're beautiful. Right?

Tug McTighe (50:29)
Yeah, she's screaming down the space. you can

again, you continue to hear boats and hoes, boats and hoes. And then it's

Matt Loehrer (50:34)
I did like the end of

it too when John C. Reilly ends it with an amazing drum solo.

Tug McTighe (50:39)
Right? Yeah, of course he has a drum solo in the end. And then we see Nancy and Robert getting back together. We see a weirdly weird scene of Alice because she's still pining after Dale. We see her envisioning herself as like a fairy princess in a fantasy realm. And John Dale, John C. Riley is a centaur with a bow and arrow, and they're talking gibberish language like, ⁓

Matt Loehrer (51:02)
Yeah, like an Elvish

from Lord of the Rings. I think that was so weird. ⁓ But I think that's part of the formula. I think about Happy Gilmore, which I've seen many times, and there was that kind of go to your happy place and it was this beautiful garden and. ⁓ What's her name?

Tug McTighe (51:04)
like like it just weird

Right. Right.

Julie Bowen.

Matt Loehrer (51:21)
Julie Bowen is there with a picture of the beer and she's in a bustier and all this stuff. So I feel like it was that same kind of, I don't know how that fit into this movie, but I think it's that kind of concept of, let's just do something weird and wacky.

Tug McTighe (51:23)
pictures appear.

No, not

Won't that be right? Won't that be funny?

Matt Loehrer (51:38)
Yeah, maybe that's where some of their budget went, because I, to God, don't know where $65 million went in this.

Tug McTighe (51:43)
No, can the centaur animation?

Matt Loehrer (51:46)
I don't know if Will Ferrell's like, I want $30 million and John C. Rowley is going to take 20 and.

Tug McTighe (51:51)
Right. And we'll spend 15 on the production.

Matt Loehrer (51:52)
Figure out

the risk.

Tug McTighe (51:53)
And as we careen here towards the end, six months later, Robert and Nancy have remarried and moved back in the old house. Brendan and Dale have launched Prestige worldwide and turned it into a successful enter quote unquote entertainment company. They own some karaoke machines.

Matt Loehrer (52:08)
Yeah, I don't think they own the restaurants. think they just don't. They've got contracts with restaurant cars or something to go in.

Tug McTighe (52:13)
They, hey, we just

added two more restaurants to our karaoke business.

Matt Loehrer (52:17)
And their karaoke business doesn't let just anybody do karaoke, right? Like you have to be good. Yeah, that felt nice to me.

Tug McTighe (52:21)
Yeah, you have to be good. Yeah, you have to be good. ⁓

And then Robert turns, he's getting a new boat and he turns the old broken up boat into the tree house. And they've got pirate hats and Chewbacca masks.

Matt Loehrer (52:34)
He got his boat, he got his busted boat into a tree.

Tug McTighe (52:37)
Yes

Matt Loehrer (52:37)
Yeah, and that yeah crossbows. They're like finally you got it good Alright, so here's where I am on this. I'm not sure who's this who this story is about Whose character arc is this because they haven't changed they did and appear to have changed back like they change

Tug McTighe (52:40)
CROSSBURNS!

Yeah.

Well,

and the guy that was most mad at them for being who they were, made them go back, is the one that encouraged them to go back to being who they were. See what I'm saying?

Matt Loehrer (52:59)
Yeah,

he's now rewarding them for being children again. Yeah, so I don't know. I'm not sure. Maybe it's Robert's character arc. Maybe he's gone on a journey of self-discovery.

Tug McTighe (53:01)
for being morons. Yeah.

Maybe he's realizing,

right, that he can... All your dreams,

Matt Loehrer (53:16)
What's really important is like being true to yourself and

follow your dreams. All right, that could be. There is a mid credit scene where Dale and Brennan get their revenge on the bullies by landing a helicopter at the school and beating up these kids with karate. Which they should have done the first time, frankly. Yeah, they could do that. And then there's a very end credit scene where we see them getting out of bed and going sleepwalking.

Tug McTighe (53:28)
Correct. Just beat them up. Yeah, right, they're 40. They could have kicked their ass. Yeah.

and

sleepwalking again. we do find out that the therapist is in love with him.

Matt Loehrer (53:43)
They make that short, but.

Right, she's, well, kinda.

Tug McTighe (53:48)
Maybe not in love with him, but he was wearing the shit out of that pirate hat.

Matt Loehrer (53:51)
Yeah, he should rock that pirate hat. Yeah, so that's another part of these movies where the person's an idiot, but attractive women are somehow attracted to them.

Tug McTighe (53:53)
Right.

You mean

every CBS sitcom for the last 30 years?

So there's this, you know, the schlubby husband and the hot wife is a crazy well-known trope again, especially on these sort of low level. I would call them low level sitcoms that aren't very funny, but there's that.

Matt Loehrer (54:17)
In our house, it's

just every day.

Tug McTighe (54:20)
It's just we, yeah, we have, yeah, right, exactly.

But there's this show, think, on Netflix called Kevin Can Fuck Himself, have you heard about this? Where it's, it's, it's where it goes, she's the wife in a sitcom and it looks like a sitcom. And then she'll go into the kitchen and it'll turn into a single camera, like not lit like a sitcom, more like a regular drama. And it's about how miserable she really is.

Matt Loehrer (54:27)
⁓ Yeah, go ahead.

Tug McTighe (54:43)
and she's in this weird, so it's just taking that schlubby husband, hot wife trope and bending it. And I've seen one episode and it was really interesting. I might need to, so much for a lot, I can't watch it all.

Matt Loehrer (54:51)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, the girl that's the.

The girl that was the daughter on Schitt's Creek whose name I can't think of, right? And that was a that was a good show too, so. I like shows I like like far out stuff so. I I'll check that out. That sounds good.

Tug McTighe (54:59)
Correct. Correct.

Alright!

You

like the show pointing at itself as a thing.

Matt Loehrer (55:16)
Yes, I

totally fine with the show that like breaks the conventions of a show. Because I yeah, if it's just a sitcom, I've seen it. That's what the 80s was. All I did was watch sitcom.

Tug McTighe (55:21)
Right, yeah, it's interesting.

Yeah, right. We grew up,

right? We grew up with, it's all we had.

Matt Loehrer (55:31)
Yeah, did we talk about this last time how I've had to explain to my kids about? How TV shows used to work? Yeah, I don't.

Tug McTighe (55:31)
We had some.

Yes, yeah, you're like, at

least make a lot of them. So

Final thoughts.

Matt Loehrer (55:43)
I have some. Though alright, so since we talked about this last, I've seen this movie close to three times all the way through. One time I paid a lot of attention and the next two I just kind of picked extra stuff up, so my attitude has changed a little bit. Maybe because I'm getting older. When I watched a movie. ⁓

Tug McTighe (55:44)
Okay, let's hear them.

Matt Loehrer (56:03)
in the early 2000s called Austin Powers International Man of Mystery with Mike Myers. The first time I saw it, I thought it was really dumb. And a guy that I knew at the time, said, oh, no, this is the funniest movie in the world. It's like, don't get it. But Netflix was new so I could get it sent to my house. Remember they sent it in the mail? So I was like, OK, well, we'd seen it once. I was like, this is stupid. I'll see it again. And.

Tug McTighe (56:07)
another one of my favorites.

Okay?

and they'd send you a DVD.

Matt Loehrer (56:27)
I watched it again and it was funnier and I bought it and watched it 20 more times and it got funnier and funnier and funnier. I've been told stepbrothers is like that and I believe it and I think if I had seen stepbrothers.

Tug McTighe (56:33)
Yes.

When I did? Yes.

Matt Loehrer (56:43)
15 years ago

and in the intervening time had seen it 20 more times. I would not be surprised if I felt about it the way you do. But I haven't done that. ⁓ Yes, I'm not willing to spend much more of the time I have left on this earth again, because I'm getting older watching this movie and hoping it gets funny enough that I feel like it's worth it. I'm not anti.

Tug McTighe (56:52)
Right, right, right, and you're not gonna do it now.

with yeah.

Matt Loehrer (57:07)
dumb humor, quote unquote dumb humor. not necessarily a dumb humor.

Tug McTighe (57:09)
And I don't think you're anti-step brothers.

You were laughing at plenty of stuff in this.

Matt Loehrer (57:13)
Yeah, I just don't think I should have to try this hard to. To make it my favorite movie, but that's OK. You know me well enough to know what do I love in a movie? What about a movie makes me appreciate it more than anything else? Nope, being surprised and I. I do that, that's true. I expect character growth, but I want to be surprised and you know there's nothing surprising in this movie, right? Exactly what you expect.

Tug McTighe (57:15)
Sure, fair.

Character growth.

being surprised. You also like character growth. But you, yes, that

Yeah.

No, not at all. No, no.

You're this is we're watching this for the best.

Matt Loehrer (57:42)
Yeah, that said, I watched a movie today that I really enjoyed. It was Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story.

Tug McTighe (57:50)
I've seen it once.

Matt Loehrer (57:53)
which wasn't perfect, but it had some really great moments in it. And that featured John C. Reilly and not Will Ferrell. And I think it's entirely possible. I just don't like Will Ferrell.

Tug McTighe (58:02)
That is fair. John C. Reilly is amazing too. Just amazing.

Matt Loehrer (58:05)
And in that movie too, in Dewey Cox, a really lovely voice. Really impressive. And my all time favorite solo artist, Mike Viola, had a lot to do with composing, writing the music, writing the lyrics.

Tug McTighe (58:10)
Yeah, yeah, he's pretty good.

Is that

right? was, and that makes perfect sense by the way.

Matt Loehrer (58:22)
He's fantastic.

anybody who listens to this, if you've not listened to Mike Viola, V-I-O-L-A, he's amazing. He sang and wrote, co-wrote lyrics to that thing you do from the movie with Tom Hanks.

Tug McTighe (58:34)
which we'll never cover on this podcast because we both love that movie so much.

Matt Loehrer (58:37)
So

good. He was with a band called Candy Butchers. He did a lot of stuff with Panic at the Disco over the last couple of years touring with them and writing songs for them. He's just an amazing, amazing artist.

Tug McTighe (58:48)
He's

one of those behind this, not behind the scenes, under the surface kind of guys who's been working steadily for, 30 years or more. Yeah. And never made it, made it. Yeah.

Matt Loehrer (58:56)
Post-NC was a child. He was a child star. ⁓ We never made it inexplicably.

But if you listen to Mike Viola's work, you will not be disappointed. I would check it out. Huge fan.

Tug McTighe (59:05)
Matt is a giant fan. All right.

So for me and everything you're saying, I understand. For me, I did see this movie in 2008, which is almost 20 years ago. I've seen it 50 times easily. It's peak feral and Riley for me. As I said earlier in the pod here, I find this significantly funnier than Telladay Good Nights.

Me and my friends quoted each other, my son and I use lines and bits from it all the time. It's one of my favorite Will Ferrell moments. And to your point, I bought that DVD like everybody did. And I watched this goddamn movie 150 times. Right. And you know, pop it in and it becomes background. But so much so much stuff I like that we gosh, we didn't even mention a ton of it because there's just too much. There's so many bits going on.

They're again throwing a lot of shit at the wall to see if it sticks and a lot of it sticks. Some of it certainly doesn't. So, uh, send a hitter or send a miss.

Matt Loehrer (59:56)
That's not a straightforward answer. If you love Talladega Nights, you will likely enjoy this. If you love Will Ferrell, you absolutely will love this. If you enjoy cringe humor where characters do things that are inexplicable and embarrassing and you feel bad for them, then you'll probably like this. If you like movies where adults act like idiot children, this is the movie for you.

Tug McTighe (1:00:10)
Yes.

Matt Loehrer (1:00:17)
If you don't like any of those things don't watch this there are better use of your time actually go watch it's a different kind of movie but watch walk hard the Dewey Cox story it had great music in it it was a it's a spoof it's like a spoof of musical biopics but had again not a perfect movie.

Tug McTighe (1:00:35)
great, great Beatles scene. Paul Rudd and Jack Black and can't think of who.

Matt Loehrer (1:00:37)
yeah, that was really funny.

But yeah,

but also, who else do we have in that?

Tug McTighe (1:00:45)
Talia Shire's son, Swartzman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, do see how I had to get there? I had to get to Jason Swartzman through Talia Shire.

Matt Loehrer (1:00:47)
Yes, Jason Swartzman is Ringo, right? ⁓

It's

a shired sun. And then who's the other one is like, ⁓

Tug McTighe (1:01:00)
It might be David Krumholtz.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:01)
Now he plays a manager, but there are a ton of people in it. It was just.

Tug McTighe (1:01:04)
Okay.

No, no, it's another one of these. I don't know who made it, but it's hovering around this same time frame with a lot of people that want to be in these movies and come pop in for a day and do a thing.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:13)
Yeah,

it was Casdyn.

Tug McTighe (1:01:16)
Okay, Jake. Okay.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:17)
⁓ Yeah, Jake has been and

someone else was an app. It's how I think was involved in it too. It was. Right, it was just a really and you. You kind of knew where it was going to go, cause it's a biopic, but it's a spoof of a biopic, so you don't exactly know the sporting cast was fun. The music was surprisingly good because you got to see him go through all these phases, almost like spinal tap. Remember in spinal tap had.

Tug McTighe (1:01:22)
You would think, yeah, fine. It's getting the money, getting the money together.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Welcome to the flower people. Right. Right.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:43)
You know, they had their strawberry alarm clock phase and they had their metal phase. ⁓

it was like that. They had their kind of How, you know,

Tug McTighe (1:01:53)
Prog Rock. Remember that was the final of the Jazz Odyssey.

Matt Loehrer (1:01:54)
prog rock phase.

Yeah, they did. But also I feel like Stonehenge was that too. The demons dwell, or the banshees live, and they do live well. ⁓

Tug McTighe (1:01:59)
Stonehenge, yeah, they're prog-prog. Yeah. Hey, by

the way, I, the other night, watched Spinal Tap 2. It's far, it's on, streaming. It's far funnier than it should be. That's my rating.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:08)
⁓ it's out?

Yeah?

OK, good, so it's not

you didn't feel like it was a waste of your time.

Tug McTighe (1:02:19)
I was terrified to watch it.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:21)
cause Spinal Tap was so good. When I think of parodies, I mean, you've got like Naked Gun and Airplane and stuff like that, but Spinal Tap was probably, I preferred it to all.

Tug McTighe (1:02:23)
I adore spinal tap. Spinal taps are my top 20.

Well, and it brought us mockumentary and I never get tired of a mockumentary. So it's final tap two, everyone. It's worth the 90 minutes. All right, well, good job, Matt. Again, thanks everybody for listening to Sin Misses. If you like what we're doing here, please help us grow the show by subscribing, sharing some episodes or writing a review. really does help. And even better, tell someone you think might like it to give us a try. And we want to hear from you, follow and comment on socials and please drop us a line at sinnemisses at gmail.com with ideas to make the show better.

Matt Loehrer (1:02:37)
Absolutely. Agreed.

Nice.

Tug McTighe (1:03:02)
and retcos for movies we may want to cover.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:06)
Okay, so coming up next, tug, what movie are we going to see?

Tug McTighe (1:03:10)
We're gonna watch John Wick, The Ridge. I've never seen it. I've never seen a single frame of any of the 32 John Wick movies starring Keanu Reeves. So.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:20)
I believe

there have been four with another tangential. Actually, I don't know, it gets complicated. Yeah, there's an entire, they created an entire world. The John Wickover. So what do you think you know about John Wick?

Tug McTighe (1:03:27)
just came out right the ballerina thing in the

The John Wick-o-verse.

I know three things.

A lot of punch ups.

Keanu Reeves is John Wick and everything starts because they kill his dog.

Matt Loehrer (1:03:45)
That's. We'll see that sounds pretty good to me. I've seen. The first four. I'm excited to see it again and really kind of put it through it, put it through with a fine tooth comb because.

Tug McTighe (1:03:52)
Yeah, I'm ready.

One

of the great things about this is I do have all these movies that are just that were that I just missed. And. I'm not going to.

When you've missed them for as long, the more time that goes by between when you should have seen it and now, that's you're never going to see it.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:14)
Yeah, it's inversely proportional to the likelihood of you seeing it.

Tug McTighe (1:04:17)
That is what the fuck I put you on this podcast for. It is impersonal.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:20)
Buddy,

that's why we did the Godfather, because I was 50 years old and I'd never seen the Godfather. And I was never gonna!

Tug McTighe (1:04:24)
⁓ But, ⁓

but I'm glad, right? I'm glad I get to see John Wick.

Matt Loehrer (1:04:31)
Well, this isn't that old, but though it's probably older than I think. John Wick is an experience I. Apropos of nothing else, I gotta give credit to Keanu Reeves, because he's revived a career. Multiple times over that he by rights could have just quit like he doesn't have to do anymore. And.

Tug McTighe (1:04:46)
Well, yeah. And at the end of the day, right,

this is no offense to to him. Not the best actor with the most range, but man, he knows what he's doing. And he to your point, he just keeps on reinventing himself. This is now fucking 30 strong years for him or more.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:02)
once you think he's done and by rights, he could have been done many times over. He keeps coming back. Yeah. Well, I will say this, if success is equated with how nice a person you are, then he deserves all the success in the world because apparently super nice guy. Yeah. All right.

Tug McTighe (1:05:05)
100%. Yeah, because he was a kid in John's head. They were kids.

because he seems like a pretty awesome guy by anybody's count. All right,

man, that's season three, episode two. I'm glad we got to get on top

Matt Loehrer (1:05:23)
Yeah, I'm glad we got back to a nice,

tight 95 minutes.

Tug McTighe (1:05:27)
Man, not bad. Not bad. I'm Tug. That's a wrap.

Matt Loehrer (1:05:29)
All right. Well, thanks for joining us. I'm Matt.

See you next time.