CINEMISSES! Weapons

In this episode, Tug and Matt pay tribute to recently deceased actors, delve into the horror genre, and explore the film Weapons directed, written, produced, and co-scored by Zach Cregger. The conversation highlights the evolution of horror films, the significance of cast and characters, and the critical reception and box office success of Weapons. Matt and Tug delve into the intricacies of a film that intertwines horror and mystery, exploring character development, supernatural elements, and narrative structure. They discuss the film's unique storytelling approach, character flaws, and how both comedy and horror can exist in the same story. Run – arms straight out – and listen!

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Tug McTighe (00:00)
All right. You're listening to Cinemissas, a podcast about movies that one or the other of your two hosts just never got around to seeing. I'm Tug.

Matt (00:09)
I am Matt, reminding you that anybody can make a podcast about movies they have seen. We are here because we haven't. Thanks for joining us on Cinemassage and action.

Tug McTighe (00:19)
We still don't have our clapper. And again, not clap on, clap off, like the slate, they called it slate, Matt, slate. So, and at this point, I don't think we'll ever get it. Cause we, every time we just say we don't have it. that's now a running gag. That's known as a running gag in the biz everyone. In the biz.

Matt (00:34)
The biz. Hey, ⁓

switching gears. This was kind of a rough week. We lost one of the greats. I am speaking of course of Demond Wilson who played Lamont. He played Lamont Sanford on Sanford and Son, which with Red Fox, which was as Fred G Sanford, S-A-N-F-O-R-D period.

Tug McTighe (00:41)
Yes!

Matt (00:55)
I actually as a kid watched my dad like the show so I watched a lot of it It was there are episodes that are near and dear to my heart. There are characters like the one where Lamont rediscovered his African roots and were a dashiki and called himself colunda and Fred made fun of him the whole time He's going nuts. He's like, you know, you're not from Africa. We're from st. Louis and Esther Baba

Tug McTighe (01:12)
I was just freaking out.

Matt (01:19)
Rollo, Skillet, all those characters. Grady, yeah. So that was rough. Poor guy, not very old, I think 71. I can be wrong. He was in his 70s and he had prostate cancer, so that's a shame.

Tug McTighe (01:21)
I'm Parsons with Grady.

Well...

Well,

let me let me just yes and Because that's what they do an improv comedy and we lost one of the great great great improv comedian actors in Catherine O'Hara Also 71 and I don't know what happened there, but she was she after an illness

Matt (01:54)
⁓ absolutely.

⁓ After an illness.

It's a shame.

Tug McTighe (02:04)
Yeah,

she was working. She was in the second season of last of us for God's sake. And, know, and I got to tell you, man, just in everything she's in and as you will know a lot, she was a working actor and a voiceover artist. know you love voiceover artists. ⁓ but God, Catherine, her hair, I saw that news and everybody that reacted to it. Everybody was like, no, why?

Matt (02:21)
I do.

Right. Yeah,

to a person. Everyone was disappointed. She was in... People know her from Home Alone or they know her from Beetlejuice. They know her from Schitt's Creek. They know her from any of the Chris Guest movies or SCTV. She's just been in so many good places.

Tug McTighe (02:41)
Yeah. SCTV. She'd been working with Eugene Levy

for 40 fricking years,

Matt (02:46)
Yeah, it's rough.

Tug McTighe (02:47)
It's tough. She's

it's hard to lose these but my brothers and I are always like boy 20 whatever year we're in we're like, wow, it sure is thirsty for souls Speaking of being thirsty for souls if let's say you're a witch

Matt (02:57)
Right.

Tug McTighe (03:02)
or a voodoo artiste. You are thirsty for life force, energy, souls. I think you're so thirsty for that life energy. You're willing to do damn near anything to get your way, including be which an entire class of third graders so that they leave their beds in the middle of the night.

Matt (03:04)
I wondered how you were going to do this.

Tug McTighe (03:30)
and disappear.

So what movie does something like that happen in? I'll tell ya. It happens in weapons. Sounds like weapons to me. I can't believe I got there, but we got there. No, yeah, we both, I think sort of accidentally, we've got a little bit of a story about it, but both sort of accidentally saw weapons or decided we were gonna see it. then both, spoiler alert, both really liked it and thought it was really interesting, so we pivoted.

Matt (03:34)
It's sounds like weapons to me.

Tug McTighe (04:00)
We have our list of what we're gonna do season three here. But we wanted to do weapons while it was fresh. like we say all the time when we're doing this pod, we ask the person who hasn't seen it what they think they know about this week's selection, but we both seen it. So Matt, did you come to see weapons?

Matt (04:18)
Okay, like you, I grew up in this golden age, I would say of horror films. With Freddy Krueger from Nightmare on Elm Street and Jason Friday 13th and Michael Myers and Pinhead from Hellraiser and on and that's just the then there's all sorts of like goofy ones like the candy man.

Tug McTighe (04:25)
Yeah, it's in.

You

couldn't, and Matt and I both grew up in the 80s. You couldn't, on any weekend, there was something in the theater that was Candyman.

There

Matt (04:46)
yeah.

Tug McTighe (04:47)
were supernatural thrillers. There were these slasher films that you talked about. Yeah, went through the TV. Yeah.

Matt (04:50)
yeah, there was a movie called Shocker. Remember Shocker? guy got electrocuted because he was on death row and then he

survived. was, you could not shake a machete without hitting a horror movie. ⁓

Tug McTighe (05:00)
You could not. Or a

glove knife hand.

Matt (05:04)
All right, but as I grew up, as I grew older, and movies kind of changed, you weren't just going to the movie and showing up and watching whatever's on. We got a little, I think a little more particular, and we had options to rent, you go to Blockbuster, you get a video, so you actually got to pick what you saw. I felt like the genre kind of went away, and when it came back, when I noticed it again, it was this new kind of horror, this gore horror like Saw, Saw movie.

Tug McTighe (05:26)
Yeah, a lot of Eli

Roth is a writer director who, know, this sort of idea of torture porn. Right. Right.

Matt (05:34)
Right, and I just didn't like it at all.

So for a long time, was like how I felt about Tears for Fears. I didn't like that first song. I was like, I just don't like horror movies, right? And then fast forward to this past Halloween, and for no reason at all, I think I saw something pop up for Evil Dead, Evil Dead 2, and I thought, that was funny. I should watch that again. And I did, and it was great.

Tug McTighe (05:53)
Okay, yep.

Matt (05:57)
And then suddenly I went down this rabbit hole of just watching and rewatching horror movies. So I saw Evil Dead 2 and Evil Dead Rise, which was pretty good. And then Sinners and some other things, but Weapons was one of those things. I had heard good things about Barbarian, which I still haven't seen and probably never will. So I came away from this last Halloween with a new appreciation for horror as...

having potential for a more sophisticated way of telling a story than the kind of schlocky slasher stuff we grew up with.

Tug McTighe (06:28)
Sure, it's in it. think to your point like anything it it swung The pendulum swings and it sort of settled in this. I mean sinners was nominated for like 16 Academy Awards or whatever so Seems like a reach I'm actually gonna watch it. I'm traveling for work tomorrow. I'm gonna watch it on the plane. I downloaded Right, but so for me

Matt (06:42)
Yeah, I don't know about that, but...

It was pretty good. don't know that it was most Academy Award nominations ever good.

Tug McTighe (06:56)
Very similar story watched a shit ton of horror films. In fact, my best friend and I Todd Riley In that moment in time when you're like you could go to blockbuster or video library Whenever we were we were kids we'd ride our bikes there cuz we hadn't we didn't have a car yet and couldn't drive You know, it's 83 84 85 you'd go to the the video store and we rented every kind of horror film you could rent

You know like slumber party massacre the ultimate driller killer thriller You know that this was a silent night deadly night where Santa Claus a guy escapes from an insane asylum and puts on a Santa Claus suit and murders everybody in house like They were banging these fucking things out to your point and then like you I didn't watch a lot of them for a long time And then a couple years ago. I got back into it. I listened to a like six part podcast

Series about like an oral history of the making of Halloween The John Carpenter original Halloween and I watched it loved it And so I've watched off and on my brother Chris is the reason I saw weapons my brother Chris has never Wavered from his love of horror and he goes and sees it by himself because his wife Christy. She's like I'm not going I'm not going to see that so Chris Chris loves it. He loved it. He loved

Matt (08:07)
You

Tug McTighe (08:12)
Dairy on TV. He loved barbarian. He loved weapons. He's like you got to see weapons So and then for me here especially I Didn't know what weapons was he tells me I go watch the trailer. You all need to know I love Watching trailers online. It's one of my between meetings or when I need inspiration because they're little commercials and they're often beautifully rendered graphics and

cutting and editing so I watch a of I watch the trailer and I'm like alright this is a freaking interesting movie so for me it was really like the log line of this that got me hooked because they tell you what the log line is right in the trailer and Matt what is that log line?

Matt (08:57)
It is. When all but one child from the same class mysteriously vanished on the same night at exactly the same time, the community is left questioning who or what is behind their disappearance. I'm pretty sure I saw this trailer at, I think Tommy and I went to see Fantastic Four at the theater. So they played this, I think they played this before. ⁓

Tug McTighe (09:13)
Okay.

Well, then I saw

it. That's maybe where I saw it. I'm like, whoo.

Matt (09:18)
Yeah, and

based on this, this could have been a true crime story, a serial killer story. I didn't necessarily get supernatural vibes from it, but that arms outstretched running was really iconic and creepy. And I believe it's based on a photograph from Vietnam, a girl running through the foliage from napalm. Yeah, exactly. So I had no idea what to expect from this, but.

Tug McTighe (09:21)
100%.

Yep. Yep.

Matt (09:43)
I knew it had a creepy vibe to it.

Tug McTighe (09:45)
Yeah, 100 % the same. When I saw this trailer, you're like, I don't know what this is, but that is a riveting sort of just one sentence set up. And again, it could have been anything. yeah, Weapons is a 2025 American mystery horror film, directed, written and produced and co-scored by Zach Krieger, stars and ensemble cast, including Josh Brolin, Julia Garner, Alvin Ehrenreich, Young Han Solo.

Matt (09:57)
Yeah. What's it about? Yeah.

solo.

Tug McTighe (10:14)
Austin

Abrams, Carrie Christopher, Toby Huss, who we'll talk about later, Benedict Wong, and Amy Madigan. ⁓ Yeah, yeah, big time, really. ⁓ I'm a big, I've loved Julia Garner since Ozark. And I love that meme of hers, If you're gonna stop, wanna stop me, you're gonna have to fucking kill me. And she was also great in the, miniseries

Matt (10:20)
Pretty great. We will talk more about the caspid.

Tug McTighe (10:39)
Inventing Anna where she she played the that woman who just defrauded everybody for a few years pretending. She was a German heiress She's really good So this guy's at Krieger made this movie in 2022 called barbarian Which I have not seen my brother Chris really liked said this was better though So he was he was had had some success with that his first movie started working on weapons

Matt (10:42)
⁓ here.

Tug McTighe (11:04)
As often happens with these sort of new hot guys who got in a bidding war with new line cinema fighting everybody off to become the victor Had to fight had to not fight but had to make it through the 2023 Hollywood labor disputes the strikes the the union strikes

so a long time to get this Thing things sorted out. and then and then they shot it in atlanta in in may of 2023 and finish it up in july. So again a nice quick production,

You know, after a little bit of stopping and starting due to stuff outside of the director's control.

Matt (11:39)
Yeah, a lot of delays.

think the shooting of it and development post-production didn't take all that long. was just all these delays in between.

Tug McTighe (11:46)
Yeah, it can take too long.

Released in theaters in US on August 8th, 2025. Received critical acclaim and was a box office success. talk about that a little bit. Amy Madigan received an Academy Award and a Golden Globe Award, NOM. And then she won the Critics Choice Award for Best Supporting Actress. I like Amy Madigan.

Matt (12:09)
Me too, and when I saw her, was like, that's even that again. Having grown up in, I grew up in Iowa in the eighties, so fields of dreams, yeah.

Tug McTighe (12:12)
Yeah, know in the field of dreams. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Matt (12:18)
After the financial and critical success of Barbarian, Kroeger began work on a new spec script titled Weapons, described as a horror epic with a more personal story for the filmmaker. We'll talk about that in a bit. Inspired, among other things, by Paul Thomas Anderson's Magnolia, Dennis Philanou's Prisoners, and a novel by Jennifer Egan called A Visit from the Goon Squad that I know nothing about.

He was inspired to write the screenplay after the death of his close friend and collaborator, Trevor Moore. So let's take a minute to talk about Kroeger. Really interesting guy. I feel like with Ryan Coogler, he's kind of the hot new thing. He's following the lead of, I say guys like Jordan Peele, but really Jordan Peele. ⁓

Tug McTighe (12:57)
Really Jordan

Peele sort of a singular kind of guy

Matt (13:00)
Yeah,

in terms of this high horror genre and you know, I thought I wasn't sure exactly how he got there, but it's interesting to me when you look at some of these guys, how they are funny, they are humorous, they're comedy guys and horror comes so naturally to them. it makes me wonder how our brain works that those

Tug McTighe (13:16)
Comedy.

Yeah, comes very easily, right?

Matt (13:27)
two supposedly incongruous elements can work together so well.

Tug McTighe (13:31)
Yeah, it's sort of like the, you know, the classic laughing, crying masks for drama. It's like two sides of the same coin. And you you say this shit all the time, like God, sometimes you got to laugh to keep from crying. So I just think there's a, there's a, there's an edge that comedy has and there's an edge that this horror has.

Matt (13:37)
Right?

or

Yeah, think they're really kind of in as far as how our brains work. I think they're close. I can remember the scene in Pulp Fiction where they hit a bump and what was his name, Marvin got his face shot and a lot of people in the theater laughed when that happened. mean, getting shot in the face isn't funny, but there's a reaction there that yeah, it's really close.

Tug McTighe (14:00)
Holy shit, I just got Marvin in the face.

Right. Because you don't know how to react. No, no.

Yeah, so this guy Krieger was in this comedy group sketch comedy group with with his deceased friend Trevor called the whitest kid, you know, which I I never heard of it had you yeah So he was in a they were he was in a NBC sitcom called friends with benefits never saw that It was the TBS sitcom called wrecked I never heard of yeah. I love this ran three seasons never heard of it ⁓ Yeah

Matt (14:25)
Nope. No, I'd never heard of it.

Me neither.

Yeah, he had a career going. I just

never heard of any of this guy until, you know, until really this movie and Barbarian after this. ⁓

Tug McTighe (14:49)
Yeah. Yeah, but he was working.

Right? This guy was working. So yeah, to your point, he was 100 % off my radar. Like I said, my brother Chris loves this genre was talking about barbarians. that's all I know about Krieger, but, just to pile on to my soap box from last time about giving new writers and directors a fucking chance. Here's yet another example of where, you know, you give this guy an opportunity. He's got an interesting idea. He's obviously knows what he's doing.

Matt (14:53)
for sure.

Tug McTighe (15:23)
And and you give them a shot now as we'll talk about in a little bit, but the economics of horror are much easier

for studios to take a chance on new talent. You know, this is similar to the sort of last high era of high period of comedy, where you were like, you know, stepbrothers probably should have cost 10 million bucks. Maybe it cost 30 million because they they pay well, but you know, dodgeball didn't cost a lot of money to make. And it made a shit ton of money.

Matt (15:50)
Right.

Tug McTighe (15:58)
So if you could break the cable guy didn't take, cost a lot of money to make, but it brought in a lot of money. The ace Ventura didn't cost a lot to make dumb and dumber didn't cost a lot to make, but they made obscene amounts of money. So there's an economic break point there. And now we sort of haven't seen a comedy like that in a long time. And horror has sort of slipped into that. Hey, you bring in Megan, right? The robot doll. There's like five of them. Now you make the thing for 10 million, but you make a hundred million at the

Matt (16:04)
Great.

Tug McTighe (16:27)
box office or a hundred million all told you're like great we'll make another five megans

Matt (16:32)
Well, and I think

another thing about this genre, and it's a mashup genre, I think everything is anymore. It's not just a horror epic or it's a horror comedy or it's something. But not only...

Tug McTighe (16:38)
100 %

Matt (16:45)
Do you generally not have to pull in big budget stars like headliners that you're gonna have to pay $20 million for the movie? You almost don't want to. Like the concept sells it. Like you'd rather have like the highest wattage star in this is Josh Brolin and he's not a high wattage star. He's a workman, no, it's not a knock on him at all. But he's a workman like actor. is not Tom Cruise. He is not De Niro. He's Josh Brolin.

Tug McTighe (16:57)
Yeah, agreed, agreed.

Right. That's right. That's right.

Nope. Nope.

No, they don't really.

Would you agree they don't really work? When you're like, well, that's Meryl Streep. They don't really. Yeah, right. It takes it sort of takes you out of the. It takes you out of the narrative.

Matt (17:16)
yeah, no, think even Amy Madigan was hard for me to get past.

It does.

All right.

Tug McTighe (17:27)
Alright,

so the screenplay entered the market on January 22nd of 23 sparking interest by Netflix, New Line Cinema, TriStar and Universal. According to Krieger, within 90 minutes of distributing the script electronically to studios, the following morning at 8 in the morning, Michael DeLuca, CEO of Warner Brothers contacted him to close the deal. New Line secured the rights 24 hours after offering $38 million to cover all costs, including production and salaries.

Matt (17:47)
90 minutes.

Tug McTighe (17:52)
With Krieger receiving an Are You Sitting Down? $10 million as writer, director, producer with final cut privilege pending a test screening in addition to a guaranteed theoretical release. So this guy got a sweet deal and it's going to get sweeter. Universal offered $7 million less than Warner Brothers. Jordan Peele's company, Monkey Paw, a part of this. And after Peele's group failed to secure the bid, Peele fired his longtime managers. He was pissed.

Matt (18:17)
He was so mad. He

Tug McTighe (18:19)
that he didn't get this.

Matt (18:19)
wanted it.

Tug McTighe (18:22)
Krieger's CAA agent, Joe Mann, negotiated a $10 million upfront fee, as we said, of which Krieger deferred $2 million in return for 50 points on the back end. That's a lot of money.

Matt (18:33)
That's amazing. It's amazing that

he got paid $10 million to start with and amazing that he secured points and in so doing got an undisclosed percentage of the box office revenue, which do know how much it was ultimately?

Tug McTighe (18:46)
⁓

We're gonna get to it, but how much was it?

Matt (18:48)
forget.

Tug McTighe (18:49)
Well, then let's talk about it when it's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look,

Matt (18:51)
Okay, it gets it's like 269 million. I didn't write it

down because I thought, there's no way I'll forget this.

Tug McTighe (18:59)
Right, but look What a sweetheart deal. Okay? This guy made a lot of dough on this We didn't mention him at the top, but I just it seems weird that Blumhouse wasn't involved in this And for those of you don't know Blumhouse Jason Blum is a guy who was a writer and a director is a writer to director But he's now more pop more famous for being Blumhouse Where he generates he's got a algorithm

He makes these micro budget horror films He's branched out a little bit but started with horror films. He keeps production costs really low often under five million and Retaining a high profit first dollar gross percentage. So the idea here is he has a he has a deal with universal For for distribution. He has a deal with you know, Sony He brings it in for five million and he knows if he does that he's made money because he's got the distribution deal so

He offers he calls it talent arbitrage He offers creative freedom to the directors in exchange for lower upfront pay and lower budgets and he Says look if we just make it this way. We'll make a lot of money in the end you make your next movie So he made he's produced movies like parent all the paranormal activities the purge Megan which I mentioned insidious among others He says to his his his talent

If you can bring it in under five million, I'll leave you alone You do what you want you cut what you want you write the script if you're gonna take it's gonna cost more Then I'm gonna get involved and make sure we keep it on the on the track But but it's just this feels like one of those Jason Blumhouse movies

Matt (20:35)
It does, but I

wonder if he even sensed from the start that this was a little out of his depth, know, little higher budget than, not big budget, but higher than he expected. There were a couple of revisions to the script following some feedback, including part where Archer, which is the Josh Brolin character,

Tug McTighe (20:39)
Maybe, maybe.

Matt (20:52)
apologizes to employees during a scene at a construction site and another one that shows Alex stealing the name tags for Aunt Gladys. So I mentioned this only because I feel like they made some really good decisions. A lot of times there are reshoots. There are changes to the script and people take that as, this is a mess or it's a nightmare or they're they're screwed up or it's bad. I feel like they made some really smart choices.

Especially the part where he steals the name tags just helping us understand a little bit more about how this dark magic works

Tug McTighe (21:20)
how the magic works.

Yeah, had something wrong to the person.

Matt (21:24)
Yeah, there's still a lot of this that's left unexplained and it's not a perfect movie. I want to say that as much as I like it. But we can talk about that later.

Tug McTighe (21:32)
Yeah. And, and I really think that the scene where Archer apologizes to his guys really drives the plot forward in one quick piece of dialogue. He's, we'll talk about it, but this is the moment where he's lost, man. He doesn't know where his kid is. He's fucking up at work. He's a, he's a construction, like a, he's a house builder, a builder developer. He's screwing up stuff. That was a really good scene. So I'm glad that got in there.

Matt (22:00)
I did too. was a small thing, you're like, this guy's off the rails, right? He's consumed by this. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (22:00)
Alright

He was losing it.

tomato meter 93 % 393 reviews and 85 for the popcorn meter. So the critics love it Nice solid beep beep beep to be plus by the people and to your point 269 million gross against the 38 million dollar budget Whereas we mentioned 10 million went to him And it made a shit ton of money

Matt (22:13)
in.

Tug McTighe (22:34)
and is a very, very successful film from an economic standpoint.

Matt (22:35)
a lot of money.

I would like to see how it did like week to week, because this is the kind of phenomenon that people.

Tug McTighe (22:43)
The

grout. Yeah grower where it word of mouth hits and and people go see it and then they love it and they go maybe go see it again. Bring a friend. Yeah, for sure.

Matt (22:54)
I think of the best movies where you go and you say, my gosh, I gotta tell everybody about this. And next, it your nose. I love that.

Tug McTighe (22:59)
Everybody how great this was yeah

when I saw fight club I went into work and I said if you don't like the movie if you don't see the movie and Fight Club, and you don't like it. You're So that was my review So here's an interesting casting what if in February 2024 Josh Brolin? replaced Pedro Pascal as the role of Archer I Find that to be fascinating

Matt (23:08)
Ha

Would you have liked to see, I have nothing against Pedro Pascal. I'm suffering from a little bit of Pedro Pascal fatigue.

Tug McTighe (23:31)
I'm gonna

yes and an agree. I would have loved to have seen him in it. But maybe a little too much Pedro that would have probably taken me a little bit out of this narrative. Like we talked about, like, that's the Mandalorian. that's Joel from last of us. Probably Joel from last of us more than anything. Yeah. Mr. Fantastic.

Matt (23:35)
You

Right. That's Mr. Fantastic.

Tug McTighe (23:54)
But ⁓

Matt (23:54)
I never thought about this. You mentioned the age of his kid.

Tug McTighe (23:57)
Yeah, okay. So I did have a little tone break I think josh brolin is too old for this role He has like an eight-year-old kid he's 57 In real life brolin is 57 My kids are 24 and 21 And i'm 55 I recognize matt Not everybody's on the same life event schedule But I got married at 26 didn't have shawn till I was 31 that seems

old-ish So Sean's 24 nicks 21. I just thought it was a little weird that he had an eight-year-old again again could be a second It could be a second it for it. don't know Again, it seemed a little old

Matt (24:29)
yeah.

Could be, did we see his wife in the movie? I don't even remember now.

Maybe he kidnapped

him. Maybe it's a kid he just kidnapped from the park.

Tug McTighe (24:43)
Right, right. Maybe he's also a, he's a warlock. No, ⁓ I got over it fast. It didn't matter to me because I thought, did think he was great.

Matt (24:47)
But that's a good point.

I did too, but yeah, that didn't occur to me. But now that you mentioned it, he's pretty old for that. A little long in the tooth. In April, Julia Garner, who you mentioned that you love, and Alden Ehrenreich, Young Kong Solo, who we love, were cast in the film. And then in May, Benedict Wong, Amy Madigan, Austin Abrams, Carrie Christopher, and June Diane Raphael from one of my favorite podcasts, How Did This Get Made? Mrs. Paul Scheer, and I've seen her in

Tug McTighe (25:13)
Yep. Yep.

Matt (25:18)
several things. They all joined the cast. Abrams was the only cast member from the original cast to remain in the final film saying, I love the part and didn't want to let it go because I really held on because I really wanted to.

Tug McTighe (25:29)
Yeah, this cast really works. I wouldn't change a thing. You know, got young Han Solo in there. got Ruth from Ozark. You got Wong from Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme in the Doctor Strange movies and Amy Madigan, all fantastic. just, everybody's great. ⁓ Yeah, that Amy Madigan, boy, that could have been bungled. That's a tough role to cast. Don't you think? You've got this

Matt (25:39)
Yeah.

Again.

Tug McTighe (25:53)
You've got this magic user, weird, scary, needs to be menacing, but a little old lady. yeah, I don't know. Just it was a, that's a tricky, tricky casting. think they got it right.

Matt (26:08)
I think so too, especially for generations that aren't me that don't see her and think, it's Kevin Costner's wife from Field of Dreams. So I thought she did a fantastic job. She was really good in this.

Tug McTighe (26:12)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Yeah, she, it was so weird. It could have played as funny or hokey, maybe less funny and more hokey. But she did a lot of work here that made it menacing and made it terrifying. that's why she's getting all these nods, these nominations for it.

Matt (26:36)
When discussing the character, Krager gave Amy Madigan two options as to Gladys' origin. One where she was a regular person using witchcraft to prevent her dying from an incurable condition.

and one where she was instead an immortal creature pretending to be a human being. But he didn't ask her which one she chose. He just gave her these two suggestions. ⁓ Either way, I love that he allowed her to have that choice and to trust her that much. And I wonder, which one do you think she picked?

Tug McTighe (27:01)
He said, here's two motivations.

Yeah.

Well, I definitely think it's a regular person who learned how to be near immortal and cheat death by eating the energy life, energy life force of others. In my mind, there's more evil to that.

origin, then she's some creature from some other dimension or some other plane of existence, like it Pennywise is from another isn't is a creature. But I say this about Stephen King all the time. Stephen King is at his best, in my opinion, when he's writing about the horror of real life. Four little kids goes to your dead body, or the crazy lady kidnaps you. ⁓ It's scary.

Matt (27:35)
Welcome.

Like a penny wise, that's what I was thinking.

Right.

Right. It's scarier that it's a person

than if it's a monster. Yeah. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (27:58)
It's scarier. She's a human doing this purposefully to humans.

And again, the evil actions of real people are always scarier to me than supernatural monsters. And I love a supernatural monster.

Matt (28:10)
The Maybrook Elementary School location was in Tucker, Georgia. On the busiest days of filming, reportedly 170 children were involved, which you've done shoots with like one kid. ⁓ Crazy.

Tug McTighe (28:18)
That's a lot of kids.

One kid. Yeah.

Matt (28:24)
So of course they had child labor coordinators to keep them engaged. Initially the ending of the film just had a silent shot of Matthew. And after test screenings, they added the kind of bookend voiceover from the girl that introduced the story.

Tug McTighe (28:37)
Yeah, because there's a

voiceover at the beginning and then they added one at the end.

Matt (28:41)
Yeah, I think it helped a lot.

Tug McTighe (28:42)
I do too. I do too. I think that bookend was good. it just balanced the whole thing out. I All right. U S and Canada weapons released alongside freakier Friday and sketch. Never saw either one of those. Not going to see them. it was projected.

Matt (28:54)
There probably could

be, it could have been rougher on them. that, if you're gonna release, if you're gonna come out, that's probably a good weekend to come out.

Tug McTighe (28:57)
Yeah, right.

It made 43 and a half million its first weekend making it Warner Brothers Warner Brothers making Warner Brothers the first studio in history to have six consecutive films open at number one With more than 40 million. Are you ready a Minecraft movie sinners final destination bloodlines f1 and Superman?

Matt (29:20)
I have seen three of those movies.

Tug McTighe (29:23)
I've seen one. No, I saw Final Destination 2. Now here's your point about it growing. It only dropped 44 % in the second weekend, banging out another 25 million, and was the top spot again, which it doesn't happen that much anymore, where it stays at the top. And then guess what knocked it down was K-pop Demon Hunter's sing-along version.

Matt (29:27)
I didn't see it.

Tug McTighe (29:51)
which I still haven't seen K-pop Demon Hunters. I'm gonna have to watch it at some point. I'm resisting it as well, but I'm likely to crumble under the pressure here. Yeah.

Matt (29:53)
I haven't either, but I think I have to at some point. It's a phenomenon. I don't know why it is.

All my kids loved it. My

18 year old son liked it. My 20 year old, 21 year old daughter liked it. My 15 year old daughter liked it. So if it were not good, they probably wouldn't like it.

On Rotten Tomatoes The website's consensus reads, Zach Kroeger spins an expertly crafted yarn of terrifying mystery and thrilling intriguing weapons. A sophomore triumph that solidifies his status as a master of horror. A master of horror. It's a second horror film. So master seems a little bit much, but at the same time, I think it's his element.

Tug McTighe (30:27)
Pump, the brakes. Right.

Matt (30:37)
And he's nailing it. He produced another film in 2025 called companion.

Tug McTighe (30:37)
Okay, so what do you like? Yeah, yeah.

Matt (30:42)
Yes, Jack Quaid is a guy who rents a companion robot. So he's in kind of the near future or alternate present. He disengages her inhibitions and safety protocols so he can use her to steal from this other guy. And then she gets a hold of his phone and Jack's her intelligence up to a hundred and removes all inhibitions. So she has no problem as like a super intelligent killing machine and.

Tug McTighe (30:49)
future. Yeah, new future tech.

Matt (31:08)
all sorts of nightmarish stuff comes out of that. It's labeled a sci-fi movie, but there's definite horror elements in it. And as you'll see in weapons, there's a humorous undercurrent, especially the climax, so we'll talk about that. So as we talked about earlier, these elements of humor and horror and sci-fi and suspense all really kind of get combined.

Tug McTighe (31:25)
Yeah

Yeah, it's

just occurring to me, Matt. It's really an example of that where you dial up the pressure with the horror or the gore or the fighting and then there's a comedy moment that releases the pressure. And we're all like, whoo! And then they put us back in the pressure cooker and then release and put us back in the pressure cooker. It's similar to what 3PO does in Star Wars. He makes a joke.

releases the pressure for a minute, and then we dial up the pressure again. Yeah, I've seen the trailer for that Jack Wade movie, and I remember seeing clips of that movie on like TikTok and stuff. So I may look that one up. Again, it all reminds me, I've seen all those Jordan Peele movies in the theater too. It just reminds me of the way Jordan Peele does all this.

I, the critics really liked it except for Manola Dargis of the New York times who said, Kroeger's structure was not completely successful. The segmentation and over the quote unquote segmentation and overlapping just feel like a whole lot of delay tactics. fuck her. I really liked it the way it.

Matt (32:18)
Noah's Target.

Yeah.

Tug McTighe (32:33)
played out in a chapter and then the end of that chapter was the beginning of the next chapter from a different point of view. So I, I dunno, back to your, you know, can we just like it? I liked it. A lot of people liked it. And I know you're know you're a critic, Manohla, but Jesus Christ.

Matt (32:44)
And that's, I think that's a terrible criticism. It's like she's saying,

right. It's like she's saying, I don't like this movie because it's not like every other movie that's ever been done. It's totally different. Like they're getting dinged for that. Like that's what I liked about it. That's what made it daring and interesting.

Tug McTighe (32:56)
Right, Yeah, right,

He talked about, Krigger did talk about maybe making a sequel. He was in an interview with Variety saying he was excited about the idea of wanting to make other films first. In an interview with Fangoria Magazine, the horror film magazine forever, he was thinking about a

prequel with about it Gladys talking up Warner Brothers.

Matt (33:21)
I don't that I need that.

Tug McTighe (33:23)
I don't want to see her origin. I love that she came out of this mystery box and did this creepy shit. and, and I can, I'm happy that I'm happy to never see her again. I just don't, I don't need a prequel or a sequel or a midquel. but I do need a marketing partner.

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Matt (33:44)
You do tell.

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Matt (34:28)
Great as always. speaking of great, I thought the cast was pretty great. Why don't we talk about them?

Tug McTighe (34:31)
Really good cast, Yep.

So we got Josh Brolin as Archer Graff. He's a construction contractor and Matthew, Matthew's dad, one of the missing children. He's great, dude.

Matt (34:45)
Yeah, I know it's like after Goonies, just unplugged his phone for 30 years and never answered it. Do you know what he was doing though? Day trading. He was day trading. He did that for a long time. He made good money. He did not need to go back to acting.

Tug McTighe (34:50)
no was he a construction it would day trading

Okay, because

yeah, he worked and then gone. And then everywhere for the last 20 years, everywhere. Day trading, that's great. We got Julia Garner as Justine Grady. She's the elementary school teacher, Mrs. Gandhi. Like I said, I loved her since Ozark. I think she's a terrific actor, one of my favorites. Alden Ehrenreich, it's Paul Morgan, police officer and Justine's ex-boyfriend. Young Han Solo.

Matt (35:23)
Yeah, I'm solo.

Tug McTighe (35:24)
Very good. Austin Abrams was James, the homeless drug addict. Carrie, yeah, he was good. Carrie Christopher is Alex Lilly, the only child from the class who did not disappear. This kid had a lot of work to do and he did a really good job, I Toby Huss as Ed Locke, the police captain in Paul's father-in-law. He's our that guy. He's been in a lot of shit, a lot of comedy. Toby Huss, PS.

Matt (35:29)
He was really good.

Tug McTighe (35:48)
He played the Wiz. I'm the Wiz. I'm the Wiz. A guy Elaine was dating in one episode of Seinfeld. Yeah, yeah. I'm always good for Seinfeld trivia. You know that. Benedict Wong as Marcus Miller, the school principal. Benedict Wong of Wong, Sorcerer Supreme in the Marvel Overse. The aforementioned Amy Madigan as Cladis. Alex's elderly aunt who Alex's

Matt (35:55)
I do not remember that.

Tug McTighe (36:15)
Parents bring her in, and that sort of kicks off the plot.

Matt (36:19)
And you didn't get caught up in her being Amy Madigan.

Tug McTighe (36:21)
I did it. I gotta be honest with you. I didn't recognize her at first. Because of the weird makeup and the glasses and then I saw her like, holy shit, that is fucking Amy Madigan.

Matt (36:32)
Yeah, and married to Ed Harris. I didn't know that. Or either didn't know it or I forgot.

Tug McTighe (36:34)
Mary Dad Harris, he's one of our,

I didn't know it, he's one of our all time favorite bald actors. Yeah, we had a couple more one of note, Justin Long as Gary, well the father of Bailey, one of the missing children, he just showed up for one scene. Is he friends with Krieger or something?

Matt (36:40)
Yeah, he's fantastic.

Yeah.

He had a big role in Barbarian, and I think Krieger just said, Hey, do you want to be on? Do you want to do it again? It's same universe maybe.

Tug McTighe (36:56)
He was in barbarian. Okay.

Yeah, one scene, I think. Maybe two scenes. And

then your friend, June Diane Raphael.

Matt (37:06)
Yes, June Dan Raphael, she was Paul's wife and Ed's daughter. So his his father in law, who you can tell doesn't like him much anyway. And then gross really not like him is also his boss. Yes, she was. I first saw her in episode of Flight of the Concords when she double dated with Jemaine and then was trying to shake him the rest of the episode. I thought she was really good in this. Brought a lot of attention to an already tense movie.

Tug McTighe (37:17)
Yes.

That's funny.

Yeah, yeah,

we'll talk about her a little bit more when we get into the plot. Then then one other piece of trivia, a guy named Clayton Ferris played Terry Miller, who's Marcus's husband, Benedict Wong's husband. And in the initial draft, Terry and Marcus were a husband and wife rather than a same sex couple. So that changed a little bit on the way on the way to production. And then a young lady named Scarlett Cher, not S C H E R Cher.

S-H-E-R. She was the narrator who bookended the film.

Matt (38:00)
so what's this movie about? Let's jump right into it. A child narrator, Scarlett Sher, explains that on a Wednesday night two years ago, 17 children from a third grade classroom in the town of Maybrook, Pennsylvania ran out of their homes at 2 17 a.m. and disappeared.

Only one student, Alex Lilly remained. Their teacher Justine Gandy is placed on leave amid suspicion that she's responsible for the disappearance. Archer Graff, the father of Matthew, one of the missing children, is particularly suspicious of her and the situation in general. I really like the beginning of this. They gave you this exposition dump in the form of the narrator, gives you all the info you need, and then...

George Harrison's song comes on and then you're in the story. We're following these kids as they run down the street at 2 17 a.m. in a creepy way.

Tug McTighe (38:48)
in that weird, yeah,

in that weird way. That song is Beware of Darkness from All Things Must Pass. I have a lovely 5LP 50th anniversary edition of that. Lennon and McCartney bottled Harrison up so badly that he knocked out a triple disc like right as they broke up. It was released on November 27th, 1970, his first solo work after the breakup of the Beatles. It includes My Sweet Lord, What Is Life, as well as Isn't It a Pity.

Matt (38:54)
loved it.

nice.

Tug McTighe (39:17)
And All Things Must Pass, all those songs that I just mentioned had been poo-pooed by Lennon McCartney for inclusion on releases by The Beatles. So, George Harrison, holy shit. But yeah, man, it's easy to like him. It's easy to like him. But yeah, your point is taken. This is a little bit like the crawl in Star Wars where we get a little bit of narration that just tells us where we are and then bang, we're in.

Matt (39:29)
He was always my favorite beetle. Dark horse.

Yes.

Tug McTighe (39:48)
I'll tell you why,

tell you what happened. Doesn't give you any details that you, that doesn't set up the mystery beautifully in a really quick order.

Matt (39:56)
It really does. And then the film itself is divided into six chapters, each told from different characters' perspective.

Tug McTighe (40:01)
which you sorted,

you sorted, it says Justine Gandhi or whatever, but you don't know what's coming next at that point. So I, still a little bit of mystery. really liked it.

Matt (40:10)
It is, yeah, they don't, you piece all this together. It's not kind of a mystery, it's a mystery, I like it. ⁓ I really like this. Yeah, I really like the structure, this trend in movies and some that we talked about, know, Hot Fuzz or Shaun of the Dead have the same thing where it's a genre bending mashup of different kinds of degrees.

Tug McTighe (40:14)
Definitely. Yeah, what happens is...

You're

solving a crime in Hot Fuzz, right? Here, you're solving a mystery,

Matt (40:30)
Yeah, but it's also, you know, hot fuzz is also an action movie and it's a cop show and it's a buddy movie, all this stuff. So it's not enough to just, we're to do a horror movie. It's like, what else you got? So yes, it's horror, but it's also a mystery. We get pieces.

of the story at a time from different points of view until ultimately you have all the puzzle pieces filled in. It's kind of disorienting. There wasn't a point, you know, I like surprises. There was not a point where I said, OK, I figured it out. Now I'm just going to let the rest of the movie play. I didn't know what was going to happen until it happened. I love. Absolutely.

Tug McTighe (41:00)
And that is your all time favorite thing.

So the first chapter is Justine, She's the teacher and the Wikipedia. Hey everybody, we usually use Wikipedia and IMDB for a lot of this, but the fucking plot.

Description in Wikipedia was stinky. So man, I had to do a lot of work ourselves, which we don't like doing frankly but

Matt (41:21)
No, if I just

read this and knew nothing about it and read the hot description, I'd be like, this is the most boring movie I've ever seen. I'm not gonna ever read about it.

Tug McTighe (41:25)
Yeah, so,

so all of this stuff happens. The kids disappear. Justine relapses into alcoholism. I'm not sure she was in the program. Like Paul, find out later, Paul was. I think she was always an alcoholic. Yeah. Yeah. She then has a one night stand with, with Paul, her ex boyfriend, police officer.

Matt (41:42)
I don't think she relapsed. I think she was always an alcoholic.

Tug McTighe (41:54)
She's concerned for Alex's welfare. She follows him home. She's told expressly by the principal. You just gotta leave this alone. The townspeople are up her ass. Cause they think she did it. And again, I'm like, why did she wouldn't just come back to fucking work if she kidnapped 17 kids, but they're distraught. get it. so he's like, you've got to just let this alone. Nobody, the police are like, she didn't do it. Nobody thinks she did it.

Parents are distraught. She has this one night stand with her ex-boyfriend who's married. She follows Alex home, sees it, all the windows are covered with newspaper. And then she sort of looks in the back and the parents are just sitting on the couch, just staring into space, not moving. She freaks out. She then decides she's going to just stake it out. She's going to stay there. She falls asleep. And then you see a woman, Alex's mom come out sort of in a trance.

Matt (42:36)
That's great.

Yeah, kind of jerky like a marionette. Frankenstein.

Tug McTighe (42:49)
Yeah, walking like, yeah. And then he cuts

a lock of Justine's hair while Justine's asleep. ⁓

Matt (42:56)
Yeah, I

did like the characterization, like all of these, and granted they're in a terrible situation and everybody's distraught and awful, but nobody's overly heroic. Like they give you, these are all flawed people. Like she's, you know what I mean? Maybe so when bad things happen to him, you don't feel so bad about it, but I mean, she's drinking and sleeping with her ex-boyfriend who she knows is married. ⁓

Tug McTighe (43:09)
yeah, ⁓ yeah, yeah, yes

Right, right.

Yeah,

and she and he he is up and we learned he is on the program. And he starts he gets drunk with her. So he up Yeah.

Matt (43:21)
Your boyfriend is sleeping with her and drinking even though he is. Right.

Sure.

yeah, even Archer is doing a bad job at work and is happy anyway. So, but I did want to mention her dream sequence. She has, and we have a couple of dream sequences in this movie. They're my second favorite movie trope that bear no resemblance to reality because in an actual dream, nothing makes sense. Nothing's linear. But in movie dreams, everything

Tug McTighe (43:33)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Right.

they tell you they helped tell the story. Yeah.

Matt (43:54)
It makes logical sense.

Right. So I think that's kind of funny. My first favorite trope that bears no resemblance to reality is the ability to punch somebody and knock them out with no consequences afterward and that they're only unconscious as long as you need them to be unconscious for the story.

Tug McTighe (44:12)
And then they have no post-concussive symptoms.

Matt (44:14)
Yeah, like if you actually need to knock somebody out, might, you'll probably kill them.

Tug McTighe (44:19)
Right, if you really hit somebody in the head hard enough, yes. Yeah.

Matt (44:22)
Yeah,

or you have to hit him like 20 times for them to actually be in that state. So anyway, that's that's a personal pet peeve.

Tug McTighe (44:24)
Right, right, right. ⁓ And

then it all went black and then they woke up and they were fine. One of my favorites is you've been in a coma for two years, but nothing on your body atrophied.

Matt (44:31)
Right.

And your breath's not terrible.

Tug McTighe (44:39)
Right. Anyway.

All right. So then chapter two is Archer. This is Josh Brolin. He is really frustrated with the police. He goes in there to see Ed. Ed's like, look, man, I know you're hurting. We're doing everything we can. You can tell that he's been in there over and over again. So he's starting his own investigation where he's getting maps of the city. He's looking at all the houses where the kids.

Lived and and like you said we get this really nice. I'm glad they put it in we get a really nice scene of him You know, he goes up to his construction site of a house and his form and says hey boss See that green door Yeah supposed to be red He goes all got I must order long paint this and that in the third thing So there's a there's there's a couple of scenes that

Matt (45:21)
Did they deliver the wrong paint? Did they take nope? Right.

Tug McTighe (45:30)
let you know that he's really obsessed and distraught and it isn't himself. Yeah, business is suffering. Everything's taking a backseat. Then he starts talking to some of these parents. He's looking at ring footage, which I think is a nice use of ring footage. He's the kids running out the door and they all seem to be running to the same in the same general direction. this one kid is running.

towards this water tower from this way and the other kids running towards this water tower from this way. So he gets that's when he gets the maps and he starts to, he's trying to triangulate where they might be headed.

Matt (46:01)
Yeah, so then he has a dream sequence, which is my favorite kind of dream sequence, the kind where you don't know that it's actually a dream until something creepy happens. ⁓ So this is a little more abstract. He pursues his son is in the house and he follows him outside and his son is running away and he sees a house with a giant floating alarm clock readout that says 217 and there's a giant rifle floating in the sky, which I didn't quite get. What did we should take on the rifle thing?

Tug McTighe (46:09)
until they wake up. Yeah.

I thought maybe that was weapons. Yeah, that gummed me up a little bit too, maybe that's just a weird dream.

Matt (46:42)
Right, and then another jump scare. there's, yeah, cause Jessica or Justine rather, she had seen this creepy redheaded woman on her ceiling. And whereas Archer in his dream is trying to wake his son up and tell him how much he loves him and misses him. And it's this creepy redheaded woman, which of course you don't know what that is. Cause you only get it for a second. So.

Tug McTighe (46:53)
Yes. Yes.

and you don't know,

this is the first time you've seen it, you have no clue what's going on.

Matt (47:11)
Yeah, exactly. So you get a flash of bright, garish, know, a scary grin like the Joker and so forth. So I know why they do it. I know why it's included because it's a jump scare and they want to scare you and they want to foreshadow glad it's when you actually see her, you're like, it's her. But how is she doing it? Why is she appearing in the dreams of people she has any contact?

Tug McTighe (47:24)
the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

I don't know, right? That's

a little bit where this magic maybe I'm not going to speculate. Maybe there's some magic the magic is bleeding into the real world somehow. But we don't know why.

Matt (47:41)
Right, maybe. Okay,

and it's never explained. And maybe that's okay. Maybe it doesn't matter. So, and then at the end of this, Archer confronts Justine at the Quickie Mart and...

Tug McTighe (47:45)
Yep.

She followed, yeah, he

follows her. Well, she's gonna get more booze, get gas and booze.

Matt (47:57)
Yeah, and so out of nowhere, here comes Benedict Wong, the principal running like the kids with moving eyes and he just attacks her.

Tug McTighe (47:58)
and Benedict

running right and he attacks her

his

face looks bad, eyes are- and then they fight him off and then yeah and then he do they kill him there?

Matt (48:14)
They run inside

and they run inside and now we switch perspectives. Now we're on the cop.

Tug McTighe (48:20)
Okay, okay, so they run inside away from Benedict Wong and then we and then we meet Paul

Matt (48:26)
Then it's a cut. Yeah. So this, my gosh, what's going on? then cut.

Tug McTighe (48:29)
Cut to Paul right so Paul's on patrol. He sees James this homeless guy trying to break into a store He's frisking James he goes is anything gonna poke me no and Puts his hand in and then there of course a needle so he's now terrified that he's gotten AIDS or hepatitis or something So he beats the shit out of James Dash cam is on And he's like fuck

Matt (48:49)
And then he realizes his dash cam's on.

Tug McTighe (48:54)
Well, it turns out Paul's an alcoholic. We get a call from his wife as he's assaulting James. We learn that she's working out of town coming home. Yeah, and then we had already seen him at the bar with Justine. He has sex with Justine.

He gets home from this James incident and his wife's already home. So the whole thing's a clusterfuck. Yeah, he's in big trouble. ⁓

Matt (49:25)
He's in real trouble. It's interesting. So they shot,

you look at Justine's story and the scene where he comes in from, so it's her point of view, right? So he comes in the bar and she doesn't get, she gets up just right at the end, but she's just kind of very kind of hesitant and not effusive at all. And he walks over and is kind of like, hey, can I give you a hug and sort of thing. When.

you see the exact same scene for Paul. He walks in the bar and she jumps out of her seat and walks over and gives him a big hug. And it's subtle.

Tug McTighe (49:59)
Right. So this is the slightly different.

Everybody's truth is slightly different. Right.

Matt (50:04)
Yeah, exactly. It's not,

they didn't just use the same scene twice and I thought that was interesting. It was nicely handled.

Tug McTighe (50:09)
Yeah, so they

did a great editing job here on these transitions. And again, I think that the tension that builds from repeating these scenes from a different perspective is sort of unsettling at first in a good way, but kept you on the literally on your toes a little bit on the edge of your seat. I remember I'm watching this movie, you know, we're a third of the way through or coming up on the midpoint. And I found myself like this in my living room, like,

Matt (50:40)
Right.

Tug McTighe (50:41)
Like I,

I don't know what's going on, but I gotta wait. I gotta find out. Right. So I liked it. I liked it quite a bit. Paul was really afraid of contracting some disgusting disease. and then again, there's this parallel between Paul and Justine with their clear alcohol problems. like I said, I'm not sure Justine is an addict or been through the, well, I think she has an addict. I'm not sure she's been to the program. We learned that he was, cause his wife says, did you go to a meeting?

I don't have to go to meeting every day. Maybe you do. And then Donna, when Donna comes into the liquor store to beat the shit out of Justine, she knows right where to go to get her.

Matt (51:18)
That's a great point and I missed that the first time, but you're right. She didn't have to. She wasn't hunting all over town.

Tug McTighe (51:20)
Yeah. Yeah.

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Matt (52:19)
Hair, skin or

Tug McTighe (52:21)
Yeah, first,

hopefully the last.

Matt (52:25)
now we pivot to James, the drug addict. And we get a nice montage of him just being kind of a piece of shit, right? As I said earlier, the movie does a really nice job of giving us characters who are either terrible or at least severely flawed. So maybe when terrible things happen to them, which they do, we don't feel so bad about it happening. So James Burgles, Alex's house, and accidentally discovers the missing children in the basement.

Tug McTighe (52:48)
So they're all 17 of them standing stock still looking at the wall. It's creepy and scary. Did James just choose that house accidentally?

Matt (52:54)
Yeah, it's super creepy.

No, James was looking for a house to burgle and he happened to notice that one had a bunch of newspapers in the driveway like that hadn't like nobody was home. So that's why he chose to do it.

Tug McTighe (53:08)
Okay, thank you

cuz I was a too big of a coincidence for me, okay, I like that

Matt (53:16)
Yeah, no, they

showed they showed those blue like they're in a like plastic. So there's like four or five newspapers in the driveway. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (53:20)
Okay, very good. Okay. This looks like someone's not okay. My

I feel much better about that. Okay. So

Matt (53:26)
Yeah, so James goes

to police station to report his findings and Carl's coming.

Tug McTighe (53:29)
Well, remember Paul said,

after Paul fucked up the, he beat him up. He goes, all right, I'm let you go. We're just gonna call it even. you cannot come and report me. You can't come to the police station. then he sees, James sees the kids, knows there's a reward for the kids, goes to the police station to report that they found the kids. And Paul's like, you motherfucker!

Matt (53:41)
She does.

Tug McTighe (53:54)
I told you not to come back around here, so he's scared to stay in the way.

Matt (53:56)
⁓ because

yeah, this is right after he has been found out by his wife at home. And then Paul goes into work and he knows that his father-in-law, who's his boss, the chief of police, he got a call already. Paul's in a pretty bad mood.

Tug McTighe (54:05)
Yes.

yeah!

His fucking police chief. Yeah, he's quite aware. Yeah,

the chief, Hus, is quite aware of the situation at home.

Matt (54:20)
Yeah,

yeah. So when Paul walks outside to his car and sees James, he's pretty mad and needs to vent some frustration.

Tug McTighe (54:27)
Yeah, right.

So.

James is running into the woods. He's living in a tent in the woods. And he sees the woman, mysterious woman with the red hair out in the distance. Yeah, and that's like you said, it's not, no, it's real. It's odd. Yep. And then when Paul catches up with him, James says, I know where the children are. I'll take you there. They go to Alex's house. Paul leaves him handcuffed in the car, goes in to investigate, and then it gets dark.

Matt (54:39)
Not even a dream now. He's wide awake.

Tug McTighe (54:58)
And then Paul comes out in that herky jerky marionette way and brings Jamon's James inside. So you know now something bad has happened to Paul in that house.

Matt (55:10)
Right, and we're getting closer. We've seen this woman three times, and I think that's probably it. You know, like comedy, these things come in threes. Like two wouldn't have been enough. You need to see her three times. And then...

Tug McTighe (55:15)
Probably it. Yeah, probably it.

Right. Then

we cut over to Marcus. So remember last we saw Marcus was he was running crazily across the city to go attack and kill Justine and they fought him off and then we cut to Paul. So we haven't seen Marcus in a while. So now we're back with Justine, imploring Marcus, who's the principal.

Can you just do a wellness check on Alex? He doesn't seem okay. All this shit has gone bad. You won't let me talk to him. He goes, okay, I'll do it. So, he makes the phone call and then this mysterious woman shows up at the school and introduces herself as Alex's aunt Gladys.

Matt (56:05)
This is first time we really get a good look at her. And you're like, that's what I've been seeing throughout this. This is what these jumps, jumpscares are. ⁓

Tug McTighe (56:09)
That's the red hair, yes.

Or in your

case, you said, hey, the mom from Field of Dreams.

Matt (56:16)
Yeah, so we'll play a clip and you can see how kind of saccharine sweet she is pretending to be.

Tug McTighe (56:21)
Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (56:22)
So she claims that she's helping care for Alex's family after his parents fell ill. She says they have consumption. Which is an interesting choice of words and Marcus even mentions that. He says, I don't think I've heard that outside of ⁓ Oregon Trail.

Tug McTighe (56:29)
Yeah, they got the consumption.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. First of all, Very few people get tuberculosis anymore. And very few people call tuberculosis the consumption. So you're unless you've been alive for several hundred years, right?

Matt (56:46)
Right, unless you have been alive for hundreds of years.

That was interesting. So he insists on performing a wellness check the following day and then.

Tug McTighe (56:57)
She says we don't need to come

by everybody's fine. She tries to fight him off. He's like, I really have to, I really have to come to it.

Matt (57:05)
she also says who called in the complaint. He refuses to tell her, but she finds out for sure.

Tug McTighe (57:09)
yes, she does.

Yeah, she knows.

Matt (57:13)
I

Okay, so worth noting when she shows up at their house, they're watching a nature documentary about the zombie ant fungus, which infects carpenter ants and controls their bodies to facilitate the growth of more fungus seen also as the basis for the Last of Us.

Tug McTighe (57:28)
Yeah, you beat me to it buddy That's why we're such a good partnership here. We're basically the same person. That's cordyceps The brain controlling fungus Yeah, I love their lunch a giant tray hot dogs just two dudes living in a house together Really funny

Matt (57:42)
Yeah, the hot dogs are a tribute to his friend. They did a sketch about a guy that eats a bunch of hot dogs. he, it's kind of a inside joke for him. ⁓ Yeah, that's his friend, Trevor Moore. Kragger said that the only reason weapons exist, because he was working through his grief. So it's appropriate that he paid his tribute to his friend here. It wasn't that funny a sketch to be honest, but it was nice.

Tug McTighe (57:49)
Inside joke.

That's great. I like that.

And it doesn't sound like that like hilarity and suit in the sketch, but nonetheless, I'll take it ⁓

Matt (58:09)
⁓ So

now we see Gladys at work, right?

Tug McTighe (58:12)
Right. says,

can you just get it? Can I get a drink of water? And he starts to get, goes, no, I need a bowl. She goes, it's just a strange predilection of mine. So she fills this bowl up with water. She quickly gets a block of hair.

Matt (58:27)
Now she's got a ribbon that she stole from his office.

Tug McTighe (58:30)
She the ribbon from Marcus's office. And he goes, that mine? Right, she gets the hair from Terry. And she winds it around this thorn branch. And she pricks her finger, dripping the blood in the water. And then she says something or snaps her fingers.

Matt (58:33)
And she's got a kind of, yeah, is that my ribbon?

thing.

She takes out a bell. She rings the bell. So they're looking at her like she's Right.

Tug McTighe (58:57)
She rings the bell and it turns crazy.

And in a horrifying show of violence and gore head butts, Terry to death. So hard his Terry's head caves in.

Matt (59:14)
Yeah, we're going to play. We'll play the clip, which is a lot of kind of gurgling and like the sound of somebody headbutting someone to death. There's also ⁓ he also vomits black tons of black stuff on him. And that's never again. I know why they did it because it's visceral and it's interesting looking and it's growth. But we're kind of getting an understanding of what our capabilities are. We were definitely getting there, which is you can make anybody do anything.

Tug McTighe (59:21)
But yeah.

Yes. Nope.

Yeah

Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (59:42)
And it's pretty terrifying, but I'm still unclear on how it works. But maybe it doesn't. Okay.

Tug McTighe (59:46)
Yeah, so let's play that. We'll play that clip here.

Okay, so regarding how the magic works, I'm unclear too. but I don't think for me, it doesn't matter to your point earlier. It's just, she, she's got something that belongs to the person she's going to control. She's got a lock of hair from the person that's the target. And it's this voodoo, bone magic or blood magic or skin magic.

⁓ You can see it works and you set up a great thing a side ago You you're seeing what she's capable of you don't know how she's capable of it. So the mechanics don't much matter But she needs an object from the person to be possessed She needs hair or skin or whatever from the target and either way she knows what the fuck she's doing

Matt (1:00:12)
I get it.

She does, but and she apparently triggers, she doesn't tell him to do it. So I don't know if she just thinks it.

Tug McTighe (1:00:36)
No. Is it in her brain? Right, right, right.

But then she, Terry's dead. This is how we came to see Marcus running across town. She then tells her, she then tells him to go get Justine. Cause that's, remember she said, who called it in? So now he's attacking Justine, right? He sprints across town, sees her at the gas station, arguing with Archer, which we already saw.

attacks her archer fights are off. Justine flees in her car. Marcus chases into written traffic and is crushed by a truck.

Matt (1:01:11)
Yeah, can we talk about the level of extremely realistic gore in this movie? And just movies in general, it's not the practical effects of John Carpenter from 1981, right? This looks like what I imagine it would look like if a person got his head mostly decapitated and caved in by. What does that mean for movies?

Tug McTighe (1:01:15)
Poof! Yeah!

It means you're making a choice between.

Gore that looks like real gore or gore that looks like movie gore.

Matt (1:01:44)
Like are we desensitized to people getting their head smashed in now? All right, just making sure it wasn't just me.

Tug McTighe (1:01:47)
Yeah, yeah, we are, for sure.

No, but you can. You can do whatever you want. You just got to figure out what's the right thing for the narrative and for what you're to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, again, the creepy running. Marcus killing Terry was horrifying. And now I'm really now I'm really like I don't know what's going on. I know there's an evil entity.

Matt (1:02:01)
I think it worked. It's just interesting to me how realistic they can make smashed in pencil.

Yeah, that'll work.

Right.

Right.

Tug McTighe (1:02:19)
I don't know what or why or what's going on. You're locked in. Yeah. And that's Alex's chapter. we see a flashback revealing that Alex's mother invited Gladys, who is a distant relative. Alex's mom is like, even she's like, I don't kind of don't even know who she is. She's suffering from some incurable disease in his homeless. ⁓

Matt (1:02:21)
I feel like I need one more chapter. Give me one more chapter to pull it all together.

Yeah,

I think this is a fatal flaw in the movie unless you ignore it, which you can. It reminds me of my feelings about the Hunger Games, which is.

Tug McTighe (1:02:51)
Okay,

so what your fatal, because I really wanna practice Hunger Games thing. The fatal flaw is that she invited this person in. Yeah, yeah.

Matt (1:02:53)
Yeah. No, okay.

Yes, that she doesn't know at all.

Like if I said, hey, I'm related. Do you never heard of me? Seen me? We haven't never met because I'm sure they haven't, but I'm going to come live with you. There'd be like, sure. No way in hell. Like I have people close to me that I wouldn't allow to do that. OK, so the hunger games are enjoyable. If you ignore the fact that that would never happen ever.

Tug McTighe (1:03:09)
Right. Come on in.

Yeah, so tell me about the Hunger Games.

Matt (1:03:29)
Hey, we're just gonna just do like this reaping thing every year. You'll just sacrifice your children and people are like, all right, man, I guess we will. If you go with that, if you're like, well, okay, we'll just ignore that. Then the rest of it works.

Tug McTighe (1:03:34)
Half to Matt, 100 % accurate.

Sounds good. There's nothing we can do.

Yeah, then you're

it. but yes, all she had to do to not have this story pan out was not invite this person she didn't know. ⁓ So Alex comes home, little Alex, and sees that Gladys has bewitched his parents. They're just sitting there. Mrs. Gandy saw them just sitting there. And she says, look, I'm going to kill them if you tell this to anybody.

Matt (1:03:54)
Yeah, say no, sorry, can't help you.

Mm-hmm.

Tug McTighe (1:04:12)
And now we're locked in now. We know what happened this woman it sorry the red paint that Archer fucked up was in his truck

Justine Gandy was getting booze and came out and in red was painted witch on her car. So she's driving around without the whole movie. And then we learn, God, it is in fact a witch. Right? She's got this wand and this blood magic. So now we know that this is a supernatural situation and she's done something to those kids or is going to do something to those kids.

Matt (1:04:37)
Yeah.

Ironic.

Right, now I don't know that we know exactly how that works, but to, know, at this point, I don't think we need to know what her, we just know that she's going to do it.

Tug McTighe (1:04:59)
Yeah, and she does tell Alex, right? I thought this would be, this isn't working. I need more. I need more than your parents. So you have to go to each of your classmates and get a personal belonging from each of them to bring to me and then I will leave. And she proves that she's not fucking around when she makes

Matt (1:05:05)
parents.

Tug McTighe (1:05:21)
the parents in front of Alex just stabbed themselves in the face with a fork like this. Just, just, just, just, I mean like this with their hand.

Matt (1:05:27)
That was terrifying.

Tug McTighe (1:05:30)
awful. No, it's awful. God, it's awful. In a great way.

Matt (1:05:30)
You can't stop it, yeah. We're gonna play that clip. It's, yeah, the re...

It's, yeah, it was really, that was really terrifying because we'd seen Gladys as the bubbly, fake, cheerful one when she went to see Marcus. Now we've seen her as deadpan terrifying.

Tug McTighe (1:05:46)
Yes, right.

Yeah, really, really evil. This was maybe the most memorable scene in the movie for me, this will apply.

Matt (1:05:56)
Yeah, and the last piece you need, you're like, okay, I got it all figured out now. Now what's gonna happen?

Tug McTighe (1:06:00)
That's right. Now

what? Okay, so.

Alex realizing that she's been discovered because James was there and, and, and everything's falling apart for Gladys. says we, we got to leave Archer and Justine come in and remember Paul, cop and James, the drug addict. She's got them possessed. So this is a long scene of fighting and crashing through and choking.

and archers searching for Matthew in the basement only to be bewitched by Gladys into attacking Justice. So it's like, it's pandemonium for, I don't know, man, it's 10 minutes, it feels like.

Matt (1:06:40)
Yeah.

Yeah, it does. And you notice too that Gladys's hair is growing back. Like she's feeling whatever it is. yeah, it's a very tense, it felt like 10 minutes of strangling and being strangled and using a cheese grater to scrape off your face. ⁓

Tug McTighe (1:06:46)
Yeah. Because she, yeah, she's getting younger. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, she's she's great at Paul's face off. She got she

got his gun out and shot him in the face. Yeah, just holy mackerel. So Alex

Matt (1:07:06)
Let's talk about what Alex does. Cause his parents,

walked across a line of salt that he wasn't supposed to, which is a very rich life. He steps a toe over it and his parents just go crazy. they're.

Tug McTighe (1:07:12)
Yeah, she says don't come across the line of salt.

And they start,

right. They start to attack him. So he evades his parents who are trying to break down the door and get him. And.

He has watched Gladys do this thorn, hair, water. He reenacts it targeting her, because he sees some of her hair that's fallen out. And he wraps it around the thing. And then she goes, uh-oh.

Matt (1:07:43)
Yeah, you hear the snap of the twig that she.

Tug McTighe (1:07:46)
and all those fucking kids in the basement

Matt (1:07:50)
my gosh, that was so cool.

Tug McTighe (1:07:51)
storm

upstairs, crashed through the wall. She starts running. They crashed through the windows. She runs through a house. They crashed through the sliding glass doors, crashed through the front, crashed through the thing, crashed through five houses, crossed the lawns, crossed the street. She runs out in the yard. And then Jesus Christ, Matt, they catch her on that lawn. And those 17 kids disembowel her.

and draw and quarter her and tear her to pieces with their hands. Like tear her jaw off, pull her arms off. Unbelievable.

Matt (1:08:25)
They literally ripped it. There's blood spraying everywhere.

So that was

A, Amy Madigan did with the exception of when she gets tackled by the kid at the end. That was Amy Madigan, 75 year old Amy Madigan running through those houses. So she did her own stunts there. And the corpse suit at the end had all sorts of mechanical like releases in it. So the kids were reaching into this body and they'd push a button and stuff would come out. You know what I mean?

Tug McTighe (1:08:40)
running. Yep.

Got

it. Got it

Matt (1:08:56)
Yeah, so I

would love to have seen how they built that thing, the engineering behind the corkscrew.

Tug McTighe (1:09:00)
Right, that's speaking of

the thing, right? Some practical effects here, I love it. Okay, so Gladys is dead, so the kids are no longer under her power. ⁓ But they're messed up. They're not themselves. And you see Justine, she finds Alex.

Matt (1:09:05)
and then she's dead.

Yeah, they're just standing around like a bunch of dazed zombies.

Tug McTighe (1:09:23)
embracing his parents. Archer finds Matthew and carries Matthew home. And then we hear the child narrator come back and she says, Alex moved out of town to live with a different aunt after his parents were institutionalized and it shows them just sitting. She said, Alex had fed them, fed them soup the whole movie and said, well, now they're eating soup, but he's not feeding it to them. the children,

return home and she says, all the children return home and some of them have even started talking again. So you're like, well, this wasn't quite the happy ending I might've been hoping for. Yeah. I liked it.

Matt (1:10:01)
Right, interesting, huh? How did you think? How did you feel about that? It wasn't like, ⁓

we're all back to normal and nope.

Tug McTighe (1:10:07)
Well,

you know, a wise man once complained about the trope of being knocked unconscious until, ⁓ until the plot no longer requires it. No, they were fucked and possessed. So.

Matt (1:10:13)
I was a genius.

Yeah. And I think

the longer you are possessed, the more, the harder it is to come out of it. Cause Josh Brolin was okay right away.

Tug McTighe (1:10:23)
Correct. Yeah, correct.

All right. So, and like you said, the initial ending had no narration, just kind of showed a shot of Matthew kind of looking.

Matt (1:10:30)
Mm-hmm.

Tug McTighe (1:10:33)
bewildered or sad and the audience didn't like it. So gave it a little bit more closure, still, but still nice and, nice and open-ended for me. So, so I have a question for you. Alex early in the movie was telling his dad that there's kids bullying me and he's like, we just got to fight back or whatever. think that kid was Matthew.

Matt (1:10:40)
Satisfying. Yep.

Yeah.

I think you're right. That was the same kid.

Tug McTighe (1:10:57)
Yeah,

so that kind of a, you know, ironic twist there. Memorable and effective, right? I think...

I got slightly annoyed. And maybe now that I'm talking about it, I'm not so annoyed. I was slightly annoyed that Alex could do the magic that he was able to. But now I'm the guy that's like, it was great when he did it.

Matt (1:11:14)
that he knew how or that he was able to do it. Okay.

Tug McTighe (1:11:27)
and sent them on her. was great ending.

Matt (1:11:27)
Yes.

Yes, I don't know what

a pit, pit hard is, but she hoisted herself by that. He sowed the seed of her own demise, which I thought was great that she had this kind of hubris maybe that she could just do this in front of him. Like she was going to scare him or impress him when in fact she was eating him out. But you have to admit that ending is a real tonal shift. I laughed like when she's running old lady running and.

Tug McTighe (1:11:35)
Right.

Right, right.

It's a doozy! Yeah!

Yep.

Matt (1:11:56)
all

these kids are coming after and like busting through windows. I laughed aloud.

Tug McTighe (1:12:01)
And people are just eating in their houses in this swarm. Yeah.

Matt (1:12:03)
yeah.

So it's funny until they rip her to pieces and it's still kind of funny. Did you ever see the movie Shazam?

Tug McTighe (1:12:11)
I did with Zachary Levi.

Matt (1:12:12)
Zachary Levi.

Okay, and I enjoyed it. And I thought it was very upbeat and bright colored. And there's a scene where Dr. Savannah goes back to his dad's office. Like he was the disappointing son and his dad's some kind of businessman and they're in the hundredth floor of a skyscraper. And he brings, I can't remember the actor's name, the bad guy, but he releases his monsters or whatever.

Tug McTighe (1:12:32)
giant office building.

Matt (1:12:40)
and they start throwing people out the window, like to their death. And I thought, this got really dark in one second. So that's kind of how I felt about this. I don't hate it, but I don't know if it worked that well for me, because it was such a tonal shift. All right. What are your closing thoughts, buddy?

Tug McTighe (1:12:43)
Hey. Okay.

In a hurry! Yeah!

Yeah, well, it was quite a spectacle.

I loved it. did love it. simple, really well constructed. I really liked the overlapping chapters. It had scares and terror and dread. and it was different.

Again, why I think this being a person who learned how to do this witchcraft is more terrifying for me. But yeah, I'd like to see it again for sure.

Matt (1:13:20)
Nice. I liked it too. I think a lot of the reason I liked it is the way the story is unpacked. It's a horror film, but also a mystery and we're solving the mystery in real time with the movie. So by the time we get all the information and a plausible explanation for the climax, it's satisfying. A satisfying ending to a creative execution.

Tug McTighe (1:13:22)
you

Matt (1:13:40)
this is the kind of movie that will get you to go to the theater. Like this, you're glad you went, you know, which I didn't, but I kind of wish I had. Yeah, they're pushing the creative envelope, they're trying new ways to tell a story, they're doing something different. And that's what you should go to the movie store.

Tug McTighe (1:13:44)
100 % 100 %

Me too.

And again, young guy, two movies under his belt. Obviously got a lot of ideas. So I'm ready to see that. Me too. So I'm going to guess it's a sin to hit for you. Yeah, me too.

Matt (1:14:03)
I'm going keep working.

Yes. ⁓

And as you said, good for rewatch, not necessarily one and done. I feel like I could watch it again and find more things. I don't know if he should write a weapons prequel about Gladys, but if he does, I'm pretty sure I'm going to see it. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (1:14:20)
I'll check it. Yeah, I'll check it.

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Think he knows.

Matt (1:14:51)
All right, the next episode is Being John Malkovich. I think I know it's about being John Malkovich. ⁓ Actually, I knew quite a bit. So it's John Cusack.

Tug McTighe (1:15:01)
Definitely about that.

Well, it came out in 99,

so 27 years ago. I know, right?

Matt (1:15:07)
⁓

So John Cusack, who was a big part of my adolescence and yeah, he was he was there for a lot of it. Charlie Kaufman, right? We had this discussion earlier, Charlie Kaufman, Spike Jones, I get him confused, but this one was Charlie Kaufman.

Tug McTighe (1:15:13)
You and me both, yep.

I think it's

a char- I didn't look up the details. I think Charlie Kaufman wrote it and Spike Jonze directed it.

Matt (1:15:28)
Plot wise, I think there's a room or something you can go into and experience being John Malkovich, like you'd ride around in his body, like you're driving a car and then you get booted out and you end up on the Jersey Turnpike somewhere. So I know kind of about it. It's pretty meta and weird sounding. It'll be interesting to.

Tug McTighe (1:15:44)
Yeah, you get spit out on the Jersey turnpike.

Yes.

Matt (1:15:53)
consider that in the context of what, when it came out and what was going on in the world.

Tug McTighe (1:16:00)
and who these people were at that point in their careers.

Matt (1:16:03)
Yeah, I think that

too. But kind of what, how did the movie like this get made? So yeah, I'm eager to discuss it.

Tug McTighe (1:16:07)
Yeah, right. Great question. ⁓

and, and, and, and as I heard you describing it, it, it reminds me a little bit of this weapons in that what you just said is all true, but there's a fuck ton more than that. Right? So yeah, these kids left the house at two 17 in the morning, but that's not really what this is about. So yes, yes. And then I can't wait to, can't wait for you to see what happens next.

Matt (1:16:20)
Good.

Right. Yes, and.

You're going to yes and no.

Tug McTighe (1:16:34)
All right.

Yes, sir. Yes. And yourself. All right, brother.

Matt (1:16:37)
Awesome.

Well, thanks for joining us. I am Matt.

Tug McTighe (1:16:40)
I'm Doug. That's a wrap.