CINEMISSES! Snatch

In this episode, Matt and Tug explore the stylistic elements, storytelling techniques, and cast of Guy Ritchie's 2000 film Snatch. The hosts delve into Ritchie's influences, unique editing style, and the impact of its characters, providing insights for film enthusiasts and casual viewers alike. Matt also proposes a Guy Ritchie-based drinking game, which we are sure will be all the rage across colleges campuses/fraternity houses as soon as this episode drops. So as Brad Pitt's character Mickey says, "Groptim biley shumma pats donn ally." Let's effing go!

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Transcript

Tug McTighe (00:00)
You're listening to Cinemass is a podcast about movies at one or the other of your two hosts. Just never got him out of seeing. I'm Tug.

Matt (00:07)
I'm Matt, reminding you that anybody can make a podcast about movies they have seen. We are here because we haven't. Thanks for joining us on Cinemass and action.

Hi, hey, all right, so you're a fan, I assume, because you're an intelligent person, of the late great Canadian comedian Norm MacDonald. So funny.

Tug McTighe (00:28)
course. I didn't

I didn't love norm at the time. I didn't quite get norm. After the fact, I have come to come to like norm McDonald quite a bit.

Matt (00:34)
Yeah, I feel like he was unappreciated.

Yeah, me too. And I don't know if you have ever seen his joke about the moth. ⁓ OK. Well, as everybody should know that has ever listened to this podcast, we we are 100 % spoilers. So if you haven't heard it, go to Google, Google Norm MacDonald moth joke and and then come back and listen. ⁓ So he was on Conan.

Tug McTighe (00:47)
No.

Yes.

then come back.

Matt (01:07)
And I believe the way the story went, they said, hey, we need you to fill some time. Can you feel like six minutes? He's like, no problem. Right. So Conan brings them on and Norm says, got a joke for you. So he's Lisa. I've got a joke for you. Conan says, OK. And he says, I'm a moth walks into a podiatrist office. And Conan's like, I'm off.

Tug McTighe (01:15)
Not a problem. Boom.

Matt (01:33)
The moth walks into podiatrist. He says, yes, the moth walks into podiatrist's office. And the joke goes from there. And the podiatrist's like, can I help you? And the moth says, I've just got so many problems. I'm depressed. you know, he talks about his his children and his wife all have Russian names in this joke. So it's like his wife is is Maria and his daughter is Anastasia and his son is Nikolai. But it goes he talks about all the problems.

Tug McTighe (01:49)
Okay.

And it's, yes.

Matt (01:58)
And he's just going on and on and on. And finally, the podiatrist says, well, it sounds like you have a lot of problems that you probably need to see a psychologist or a psychiatrist. I'm a podiatrist. Why did you come to see me? And he said, the light was on.

Tug McTighe (02:17)
The white was on. Okay. So yes, all of that for that dumb punchline.

Matt (02:20)
So after all of this...

Yes. And of course, everybody went crazy because you wait so long and it just builds and builds. The reason I mention this is because the movie that we're talking about today, which is Guy Ritchie's 2000, I believe, movie Snatch is and I mean this the best possible way. It's a joke. It has all the elements of a joke. It's it's got the framing, which is for his city Jews walk into a jewelry store and steal a baseball sized diamond. It's got two hours of setup and then it's got

Tug McTighe (02:29)
course.

Yep, snatch.

Matt (02:54)
a punchline, which is the very last beat of the movie, and cut to credits.

Tug McTighe (02:58)
And now, yeah.

So yeah, this I saw this in 2000. So 26 years, which is shocking for guys like us where we're like, the eighties were 20 years ago. No 2000 was 26 years ago. But I remember liking it, but not again, a little bit like Norm McDonald, not quite getting it.

Matt (03:16)
Just tap.

Right.

Tug McTighe (03:30)
And I got it better this time, if that makes any sense. Cause it is a very, and we will talk about the guy Richie is guy Richie Ness of it. Click cuts, graphics overlay. There was a, there was a time in cinema where this stylistic thing was happening. And he, I think grabbed this stylistic bull by the horns and wrote it.

all the way into the Sherlock Holmes, all the way into the gentleman, all the way. This is what he does. So yeah, so interesting. I like that setup. The light was on.

Matt (04:00)
and

Tug McTighe (04:05)
All right, so as we always do, as I said, I just gave it away, I guess I had seen this, you had not. So we always ask the person who hasn't seen the film or cinema, sir, what did they think they knew about this movie?

Matt (04:17)
Okay, so as I mentioned at the end of the last episode, I didn't know much at all about this movie. I'd say almost nothing other than I knew it featured Brad Pitt speaking something close to gibberish. I knew it was directed by Guy Ritchie and I knew he had directed Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, which I also have not seen The other thing I remembered for some reason about him was that he was married to Madonna at one point and made a

Tug McTighe (04:42)
He was, in fact.

Matt (04:43)
I think he made a movie called Swept Away with her, I'm pretty sure.

Tug McTighe (04:46)
He did

in fact make that movie and it was widely panned.

Matt (04:49)
Right, I did not see that and I do not think I ever will. ⁓ I have watched The Gentleman relatively recently and enjoyed that quite a bit. And seeing his filmography, looks like there are some Guy Ritchie films I will watch and others I absolutely will not watch like the aforementioned Swept Away and the live action Aladdin.

Tug McTighe (04:51)
I'm not gonna see it either, yeah.

Which is so weird. First of all, can I speak freely? I find it really weird that Disney just keeps making these live action versions of their animated movies and there there's not even a reinterpretation. It's just like a beat for beat remake, which now listen, they keep making a shit ton of money. Yeah. But I haven't seen a single one of them. I'm not going to see. I don't want to see a live action Aladdin.

Matt (05:26)
⁓ I have an idea why they do that.

I haven't either. ⁓ I don't understand that either. A couple of things. I, for whatever reason, this is neither here nor there, but I just have an aversion to anything involving Will Smith at this point. I feel like he's just a, yeah, he was the genius. Do you know how much money Aladdin made? The live action.

Tug McTighe (05:37)
And why did God rich fucking direct it?

forgot it was the genie. So weird.

No, go

ahead. Just annoy me with it. A billion with a B.

Matt (06:02)
a billion dollars. A

billion with a B. So if you wonder why they keep making these

Tug McTighe (06:06)
⁓ I mean, that's why they're

doing it, right? mean that that guy Richie making that is like, hey Edgar Wright, will you do the live action Pocahontas, please? Yeah, okay. God bless. All right. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Here's the logline. Unscrupulous boxing promoters, violent bookmakers, a Russian gangster, incompetent, immature robbers, and supposedly Jewish jewelers fight to track down a priceless stolen diamond. So that's about the size of it.

Matt (06:15)
Sure. Make a billion dollars, I guess. All right. Well, let's jump into it. Hit me with the log line, buddy.

That's why right.

Tug McTighe (06:35)
Yeah. So, uh, snatch is a 2000 British. It's really funny to say 2000 like that it was released in the year 2000. It's a British crime comedy film written and directed by Guy Ritchie features an ensemble cast set in the London criminal underworld.

Tug McTighe (06:53)
It contains two intertwined plots, one following the search for a stolen diamond and the other focusing on a small time boxing promoter who becomes embroiled with a ruthless gangster who is willing to carry out severe and sadistic acts of violence. Yeah, that's tough. So for me, so first off that that

boxing promoters Jason Statham. So again, it's hard to remember a time in our lives when Jason Statham wasn't a giant deal. This was only the second movie, the first being Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.

Matt (07:21)
Yeah, I didn't know he-

Okay, interesting.

Tug McTighe (07:30)
And I,

he was really subdued in this, like quiet, contemplative, not like this bomb back, the transporter or whatever. He's the, he's the fixer. Like he's blowing shit up and fucking breaking guys arms. And you know, no, he doesn't do anything besides talk.

Matt (07:45)
Yeah, there's no action in this.

So you kind of mentioned this earlier, but if you want to do the Guy Ritchie drinking game, which I recommend, any time you see any of these directorial flourishes in this movie or his other movies and you will, you have to drink 100%. So Guy Ritchie movies include elements like innovative title sequences, which you mentioned this kind of graphic introduction of all the characters, which I really liked. I liked that it would

Tug McTighe (08:03)
Well, you'd be slam boned after this.

Well, this graphic overlay. Yeah. Me too.

Matt (08:18)
the it would freeze and

Tug McTighe (08:18)
Freezed. Yeah.

Matt (08:20)
then you get a kind of a graphic and then the names, which was helpful because there were so many people in this movie. Quirky larger than life characters for sure. Fast talking dialogue, you know, even Brad Pitt aside, there was a lot of kind of snappy banter in this. The robberies that go sideways. So think about when they burgled the book, the bookie games like card or just everything falls apart and you know what's going to happen. So that was cool.

Tug McTighe (08:22)
Yeah. right.

Everything, everything falls apart. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (08:41)
There's games often involve chess or cards. So think of Four Finger Frankie in this one. ⁓ Gangster nicknames, Boris the Bullet Dodger, for sure. Chasing on foot, bare-knuckle boxing is a big part of this one, but you mentioned...

Tug McTighe (08:46)
Four-Figure Frankie. Speaking of Four-Figure Frankie.

Matt (08:55)
I'm drawing a blank, Sherlock Holmes. You mentioned Sherlock Holmes and there's a bare knuckle scene in that. Slow motion speed ramps where you'll have slow motion and then it speeds up really fast and then maybe slows down again. Split screens, quick cuts, all of these things. If you watch Snatch or his other movies, you'll see these Guy Ritchie traits.

Tug McTighe (08:56)
Yep, Sherlock Holmes.

Yep. All of this is there.

Yeah. Yeah.

And like I said, there was a moment around 2000, probably to 2010 where this several directors were doing this kind of thing. Do you remember the movie smoking aces? Ryan Reynolds was in it. He was an FBI guy. Jeremy Piven was a bookie and the feds were hiding him in Vegas and that hit. They put out a hit under the mafia, put out a hit on him. And it was all these like 10 different hit men with weird names.

Matt (09:28)
No.

Tug McTighe (09:44)
colorful backgrounds. You know, three of them look like punks. You know, it's fun. It's fun. Yeah. And then it's cross, double cross, triple cross one of those. But that was like 2005. So this was a thing.

Matt (09:49)
That sounds great.

There were tons of

crazy crime, there was a movie called, I think Lucky Number Slevin, I think it had a, that was fun and crazy like this. Yeah, Josh Hartnett was in it when he was a thing.

Tug McTighe (10:04)
Yep. That was similar. Yeah. Josh Hart was in that. Yeah.

A heist, a team, super stylized. Yeah. That's what you

Matt (10:15)
Yeah, almost

kind of wacky cartoonish characters. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (10:19)
That's what you get with him, right? ⁓ And

again, it's very similar to Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, similar to the gentleman. Like he, he found his vibe. Yeah.

Matt (10:30)
For sure. ⁓

Some critics have said it's a rehash of Lockstock, but others call it a spiritual successor to Lockstock, that it's maybe a better or a tighter or more polished version of the first one. Needless to

Tug McTighe (10:34)
Similar, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think he,

he's no, he's better. Two years later, he's better at this. And I think we'll talk about this. I don't think this is that great from a connectedness standpoint. Like the gentleman is really great from he knew what he was doing. He was still learning it here, I believe. Yeah. All right. How'd it do?

Matt (10:45)
Yeah.

Yes.

I How did it do?

74 % on the tomato meter. Not terrible, not amazing. ⁓ Yeah, but popcorn meter, 93%. People really liked it.

Tug McTighe (11:08)
Hey, you know what they say, C's get degrees.

Power

to the people It was largely successful. I would say right Critics it's did. Okay. Hey, it's a like they're probably said Similar shit that we're saying. It's stylish. It has a vibe. He's trying to do a thing. It's clever, right? It made some money Here's what I hey, you'll be glad to know this is our first in the misses where we're gonna talk about pounds the British sterling pound it made 500

Matt (11:26)
fun.

Okay.

Tug McTighe (11:38)
It was, uh, it opened in the UK on one September 2000 because that's how they do dates. Uh, uh, it grossed 2,637,364 pounds in its opening weekend. was the number one film. I could apparently not. Yeah. Um, but it, uh, it, it was a $10 million budget map and it made, uh, 83.6 million worldwide.

Matt (11:53)
Were they not euros yet? They hadn't switched to euros?

That's not bad.

Tug McTighe (12:07)
That's in

2000 when remembering in the year 2000 like getting to 100 million was a big deal So this this No cheap budget yeah

Matt (12:13)
huge, yeah. And 10 million in the year 2000 was not a minuscule, but

Statham was supposed to have paid 15,000 pounds for his role and Brad Pitt, it's believed was in that same range. So that's pretty unbelievable that at that point, Brad Pitt would take $15,000 to be in a

Tug McTighe (12:24)
Wow.

to do, I

he was, also it's not like it was a walk on walk off part. Like he was in it.

Matt (12:37)
Yeah, he had just done he had finished Fight Club. He was a little concerned about doing this because he didn't want to get typecast as a guy that boxes and every movie is in. But he did it. He he really wanted to work with Guy Ritchie. And I'd be a little irritated if they said, we can only pay fifteen thousand dollars and then it goes on to make 80 million dollars. Where was the money?

Tug McTighe (12:45)
⁓ as a boxing fighting. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, right, right. You're like,

bro, I'm fucking Brad Pitt here. So they shot it from October to December of 99 in London and Buckinghamshire. That is is quick. You can see a documentary about it. There was a you know, we're partial to stunt coordinators here at Cinemas.

Matt (13:02)
Right.

That's fast.

Tug McTighe (13:19)
So Tom Delmar was the stunts guy And he also worked on like this is again These stunt guys get around. You know, he did this aliens 102 Dalmatians so, you know Once you're good once you're in that stunt coordinating world. I think you can stay pretty busy

Matt (13:38)
Yes, the scene where Vinnie Jones is introduced at the start of the movie and he slams the guy's head in the car door. Right when he slams a guy's head in the car door. That's Tom Delmar. He volunteered for that job. Apparently there is a two season series on a platform called Crackle called Snatch starring Rupert Grint, who you'll remember from Harry Potter, which is another movie that's getting turned into.

Tug McTighe (13:42)
We'll talk about video guns later.

Getting slammed? that's awesome.

Harry Potter's Ron Weasley.

Right. A streaming series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (14:06)
a show and everybody's all been out of shape about that.

So yeah, if you wanna watch a show called Snatch that's a two season series, go to Crackle and check it out.

Tug McTighe (14:17)
Well, and when I told Sarah we were doing snatch, I told her that was guy, that was Guy Ritchie and she has not seen the gentleman, but she's watched the show, the gentleman, which he did like an eight or 10 episode.

Matt (14:31)
Right.

Tug McTighe (14:36)
I didn't see it. No.

Matt (14:35)
Did you watch that, the show? I didn't

have the patience for it. I got a couple, there was some humor to it, but I got a couple episodes in and I just couldn't.

Tug McTighe (14:43)
Yeah,

she watched it. she liked it.

Matt (14:45)
On Rotten Tomatoes, as we said, approval rating 74%. The site's critical consensus reads, though perhaps a case of style of her substance, which we acknowledge. His second crime, Caper, is full of snappy dialogue, dark comedy, and interesting characters, which is what he does. Audiences on CinemaScore gave it a B. While this film received mostly positive reviews, several reviewers commented negatively on similarities too.

Tug McTighe (14:53)
I think it's spot on.

Matt (15:11)
as we said, lock stock and two smoking barrels. Roger Ebert gave the film two out of four stars. Roger. I think there was some criticism with the idea that he was gonna be kind of a one trick pony and you were just gonna get the same movie.

Tug McTighe (15:16)
Raj.

Right, he was just gonna keep rehashing

the same old thing over and over.

Matt (15:28)
Right. I think many reviewers thought it's not a boring movie, but it doesn't build. doesn't arrive anywhere. See, I disagree, but we'll go on to talk about that. But it's got a cult following for sure. It's in IMDb's top 250 rated films in the New York Times Reader's Choice List of the 100 best movies of the 21st century. came in at number two or nine. Wait a minute. 100 best movies that came in at two hundred nine.

Tug McTighe (15:50)
How do you feel about it? Yeah, of a hundred

best movies you're 209. So that's not great

Matt (15:55)
King.

So of the 100 best movies, it's not one of them.

Tug McTighe (16:00)
That's right. So of all

the winners, you're not one of them.

Matt (16:04)
Right, so we talked about this last time. Of course, filmmakers are gonna have influences and Guy Ritchie openly credited Damon Runyon as a major influence. Damon Runyon was, for people that don't know, a journalist and kind of an O. Henry-esque short story writer. He was born in 1880 and I think died in the 1940s. But he wrote during the Depression and wrote short stories about gambling and gangsters. That was kind of his thing.

And as it happens, he was born in Manhattan, Kansas, right down the road.

Tug McTighe (16:32)
which is just two hours away from us. Yeah. So, yeah. this, these short stories that, that Runyon wrote were about these kinds of people in these kinds of scenarios. And, and Richie took that and sort of transported it to, to, to his neck of the woods.

Matt (16:34)
Yeah, pretty cool.

Right.

Right, Runyon 2 would create characters named like Nathan Detroit and Minnesota Steve or something like that. And you see that in Richie's stuff too. likes that.

Tug McTighe (17:00)
There's a really great

bit in one of the naked guns where they're talking about a boxer. He's like, he's like, no, you remember him, Joe Chicago. yeah, out of Cincinnati. No, you're thinking of Tex, Tex, Minnesota. He fought out of Kansas City, I believe. No, no, you're thinking of, you're thinking of Matt Omaha out of Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. So there's this, you sure know a lot about boxing, But it's just a, just a stupid, awesome.

Matt (17:04)
Right.

We called him the Abilene Kid.

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Tug McTighe (18:02)
Alright, let's talk the cast. The afore... Yeah, yeah.

Matt (18:05)
And what a cast it is there. I didn't

know everybody in this movie, but look out. There are a lot of people.

Tug McTighe (18:10)
Lot of people. So we got Jason Statham as Turkish, the low rent boxing promoter. Again, in a really subdued Jason Statham moment, right? He's not fighting a giant shark in this one, if you're wondering.

Matt (18:22)
know, Brad

Pitt was going to be I was considered for the role of Turkish Turkish and just couldn't do the he couldn't do the accent. Right.

Tug McTighe (18:28)
Turkish.

He said he couldn't and we'll talk about

that in a sec, right? We got Stephen Graham as Tommy, who I didn't recognize when I thought was quite funny. Of course I recognize Dennis Farina, who we've talked about. He was a cousin of Avi. is a Farina is a major, major that guy turned into a leading man, right? Remember Matt, he was a friend of Michael Mann's because Dennis Farina was a detective and Michael Mann hired him.

to be a police consultant on, think, Thief, starting on Thief. And he worked on Heat, and then he got in front of the camera. And I thought this was interesting. He was working as a detective in 82 in Chicago, and the Steppenwolf Theater Company, which was started by Gary Sinise and John Malkovich, he starred in a play called A Prayer for My Daughter, directed by Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich. Right? It's all swinging together.

Matt (19:21)
It all comes back, doesn't it?

Yeah, I love to a screen. Glad to see him here. Yeah, Brad Pitt played Mickey O'Neill. And I've heard stories about his epic lack of hygiene for years. Yes, so supposedly, or I would say purportedly, he didn't bathe much, if at all during.

Tug McTighe (19:25)
Yeah, talk about Brad Pitt for a sec.

This is legendary in this movie, this story.

regularly.

Matt (19:45)
The filming

of Snatch because he was playing a scummy character, supposedly. But in reality, I don't think he ever did. No, so his former roommate, who was no other than Jason Priestley, Brandon Walsh from 90210. I did not know they were roommates in the 90s. He said that Brad would go forever. I call him Brad. ⁓ We're at that level.

Tug McTighe (19:52)
Yeah, he may not have had the best hygiene.

Brandon Walsh!

Yeah, well, you're on that first name basis.

Matt (20:13)
He would forego

bathing for like they would have contests to see how long you could go and Brad Pitt always won. Just not bathing during the filming of Inglorious Basterds. He would forego showers in favor of just using baby wipes because he he was too busy. He didn't have time. It's just gross. I like I don't get a shower a day. I feel filmy so.

Tug McTighe (20:20)
god, that's disgusting.

Hahaha!

Alan Ford was Brick Top, the gangster. Great, great, great in this. ⁓ man, remember when he's telling him how to get rid of a body? Now just say you wanted to get rid of a body. You need to cut it up into six pieces. You gotta starve the pigs first. You take it to a pig farm. Not that I know about that. Yeah.

Matt (20:39)
He was great. He was my favorite character in the movie. What a bastard that guy was.

I like it. ⁓

Yeah, he did throw him in.

I thought it was great. They introduce him at the beginning and talk about his. So so Statham's doing voiceover to kind of introduce these characters and they introduced Bricktop and he talks about his preferred method of getting rid of somebody that involves a plastic bag, duct tape and hungry pigs. And as he's saying this, Bricktop's guys are are. Over one guy said, and then the guy, the Weasley guy that.

Tug McTighe (21:03)
Right, setting the stage.

Duct tape, bag, yeah.

Matt (21:21)
set up the other guy, they decided they didn't like him either. So they did the same thing to him.

Tug McTighe (21:25)
They did the same

thing. Yeah. Um, yeah, he was a great, great, great face to great. Great. There's a lot of great British in this. Right. I'm sure. Right. He's probably, he's probably been doing Shakespeare literally at the Globe theater for 30 years. Right. Literally. Um, but you got Benicio, Benicio del Toro.

Matt (21:28)
I like that.

Yeah, he was a guy that I thought, bet I've seen him in other things, but I just couldn't place it. And I don't know if I have or not.

Tug McTighe (21:52)
As Frankie Fourfingers again as always He always plays a weird. He does always does weird stuff Benicio And barely in it. I think a little bit underused. Yeah Yeah, I don't know five or six five or six scenes really And then we've got I'm not gonna go through all this. We got a ton of people Robbie G Vinnie Lenny James Saul a odd a Tyrone

Matt (22:00)
Yes.

I thought underused for sure. ⁓

Tug McTighe (22:20)
Raday's Serba Zazilia as Boris the Blade you're enough A lot of guys. Yeah, Vinnie Jones. Okay, let me talk about Vinnie Jones. So Vinnie Jones is a legendary Premier League footballer soccer player pro athlete. He was a defensive midfielder played for Leeds United Sheffield United Chelsea Queens Park Rangers. He was he's Welsh He played played in captain the Welsh national soccer team and he

Matt (22:22)
It's just a lot of people. Talk about Vinnie Jones.

Tug McTighe (22:48)
He was known as a hard man of football. There were videos in the eighties and nineties, hard men of football where it's just blistering illegal tackles, shit that would get you thrown out of a game now, right? Cleats into guy's thigh, clothesline tackles. And he was just, he was known as one of the hardest ever, aggressive, physically uncompromising. And again, this led to him getting into these movies.

being this guy. And he was also in one of the ill-fated X-Men movies. He played on the juggernaut.

Matt (23:17)
Okay.

Yes, he played the juggernaut. That's.

It was my that's my knowledge of Vinnie Jones and not as big a guy. I mean, he's six to so big, but not enormous big. But I think he has an imposing, perhaps a persona.

Tug McTighe (23:28)
Yeah, he was the juggernaut.

Yeah, for sure. And then really quickly, Saul Campbell was a bouncer at the boxing match, uncredited, and he is a legend in English football, right? Widely regarded one of the best centerbacks of his generation, played in the World Cup, won an FA Cup, legend, just that little bit part. So Guy Ritchie clearly likes football.

Matt (24:04)
And you do too. I don't know if it's come through with people that are are several listeners, but tug is huge fan of the sport and played in school, right?

Tug McTighe (24:05)
I love it, yes.

Yes, sir. Played at Drake University where your daughter is really quick. One other person I recognized was Ewan Bremmer was mullet. The guy that that Vinnie Jones put his tie in the car and made him run alongside the car to get him to get him to give it up. And what Avi goes, that's a very works really well. Very effective. He was spud in train spotting. If you'd ever seen train spotting.

Matt (24:15)
Very good.

Right. That was a great scene.

Tug McTighe (24:42)
He played one of Ewan McGregor's heroin addict friends.

Matt (24:46)
Yeah, I feel like I'd have to be in the right mood to see them.

Tug McTighe (24:49)
It's not a, again, not a lighthearted rom.

Matt (24:52)
Right, yeah, there were a lot of people in this movie. To the point that Benicio del Toro was killed off camera. Essentially he had a bag over his head for half of the movie.

Tug McTighe (24:57)
Isn't that right?

Well, and he was in the fucking van for 10 minutes. Fuckin' the van. All right, let's talk about what happens in this flick.

Matt (25:02)
He was in the van. That's right, unconscious in the van. All right, well, let's.

Okay. A gang of robbers disguised as Orthodox Jews. So they've got the whole Hasidic garb and such. Stealing 84 carat diamond during a heist in Antwerp. So this thing's the size of a baseball. It's just enormous. The gang's leader, Frankie Fourfinger, Benicio Del Toro, travels to London to see a diamond dealer, Doug the Head.

Tug McTighe (25:16)
Yeah, the hats and the yeah.

Yeah, it's gigantic.

Just keep doing these names. It makes me really happy.

Matt (25:35)
On behalf of Jewish American organized crime figure cousin Avi played by Dennis Farina. So he's in America and his cousin Doug the head is in in London to fence the stolen diamonds. One of the robbers suggests Frankie visit the arms dealer Boris the Blade, also known as Boris the Bullet Dodger to secure a new gun. He takes his he takes Frankie Fourfinger's gun and says if you need a gun when you get there to go see Boris the.

Tug McTighe (25:53)
Right?

Go see this

guy. Yeah.

Matt (26:03)
Boris

the Blade and he'll give you one. So this same robber is the brother of Boris. So he contacts him separately and says, hey, Frankie's coming with this diamond. You should steal it.

Tug McTighe (26:14)
You need to steal it from her.

Yeah. So you just talked for maybe 30 seconds. There's a lot to unpack, right? A ton of characters are being introduced. Lots of storylines are being introduced and then interconnected. And you already know that this is going to fail horribly. You're, pretty sure that this is not going to work out the right way. and it reminded me.

I really had, let me call, I'll call it up. I was getting like a Tarantino hangover. So this is 2000. So Pulp Fiction was 94, right? And there was a million Pulp Fiction knockoffs. I'm not suggesting this was a knockoff, but it's living in the same world as Pulp Fiction. Multiple characters.

Matt (27:01)
I think a lot of filmmakers

saw Pulp Fiction and said, whoa, we could do, I could do that. This guy's got it.

Tug McTighe (27:05)
Correct. Correct. And there's

a lot of that multiple characters, interconnected plot lines. There's some time jumping, not like pulp back and forth and all over the place, you just, you get that seedy, there's a whole underworld in London, just like there's one in LA that you know nothing about because you're just a regular citizen. So that, I was getting that vibe.

Matt (27:31)
Yeah, absolutely. this, so this part is the setup of the joke. You know, it's, the three guys walk into a bar. It's four Hasidic Jews or guys pretending to be four Hasidic Jews break in and steal a diamond the size of a baseball. I wasn't clear what the relationship was to the guys they stole it from. Cause they acted like they knew them. They're like, Hey, how's it going? And then all of sudden the guns.

Tug McTighe (27:48)
Yeah,

real, Again, like I said, I'm leading in, it's almost landing, but not quite.

So these guys come in and rob this jeweler of this giant diamond. Then we cut over to old, old Turkish, the unlicensed unlicensed boxing promoter. I don't want to go to any unlicensed box. I don't want to go to a licensed boxing match, let alone it's like in Seinfeld, the episode of Seinfeld when they're at the cock fight in the basement of Marcelino's bodega. And Jerry goes, man, you're really going to marry this guy. And she's like, it's three in the morning. I'm going to

Matt (28:11)
Right.

Tug McTighe (28:22)
Cockfight in the bottom of bodega. What am I clinging to right? Okay, so this is not the world you want to live in So Turkish enters his boxer gorgeous George in a Mac in a match against Bricktop the crime boss won his fighters and then Tommy he sends Tommy his partner Turkish partner to purchase a caravan, which is a camper a camper

Matt (28:46)
A camper. So they call

it a caravan and they use the word 20 times, but it's just, it's just.

Tug McTighe (28:48)
Right. We did a car ban.

I'm picking it up. Yeah, never got it. She likes the periwinkle blue. Right. So he's purchasing it from these Irish travelers, the Pikeys, which they also occasionally called gypsies. They of course swindle right. They're like, never trust the fucking Pikey. They pull it out. They're like, oh, you took ownership. There's lots of we could do. Right. Just and he's just and this is pit.

Matt (28:54)
Yeah

You

Okay, that made sense to me.

Yeah, the wheels fall off as they're falling away.

Tug McTighe (29:17)
in peak scene chewing form. They're like, let me Turkish goes, let me speak to my associate. Do you understand a fucking word this guy saying? Because now and then they they're like, so it's pretty in my mind, the the pikeys are the most interesting part of all this. I love coming back to them and I love how it lands. ⁓ So

Matt (29:22)
yeah.

You

Absolutely. And Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt is like the makes the movie. Yeah, absolutely. But there's

a lot of funny dialogue too. The whole, the thing with the sausages. How are doing on this? The guy's making sausages and Jason Statham's like, are we doing on the sausages? Two minutes. Five minutes later, how long? Five minutes. It's like, it's, instead of two minutes, 10 minutes ago.

Tug McTighe (29:46)
Yeah, right. Yeah. How long? Two minutes, four minutes.

So they get into a dust up over this caravan. And gorgeous George is there. He's their muscle, the boxer who's going to be in the in the boxing match. Sorry, the unlicensed match later. And and. Mickey Brad Pitt breaks his jaw one punch. And then they're like, shit, how did I know that?

Matt (30:09)
Right, you're a licensed man.

Right. Because he's a champion

pokey bot.

Tug McTighe (30:18)
They're like, how did I know he was a bare-knuckle

champion? Fucking pikeys. ⁓ So yeah, really great.

Matt (30:21)
Right? can't trust them.

Well, so now Jason Satham's in trouble because he goes back to Bricktop. He doesn't have a fighter. ⁓

Tug McTighe (30:27)
I don't have a fighter. Yeah, we see

gorgeous George later with his mouth, his jaw wired shot.

Matt (30:32)
Yes. And we also get a nice scene with Bricktop where he's got dogs that he uses for dog fights and he's abusive to the dogs. And yeah, so he's it's the opposite of saving the cat. It's poking the dog. I don't know if there's an opposite to it.

Tug McTighe (30:37)
Yeah, dog like just a bad dude. Yeah.

He's a bad dude,

right? Yeah. So again, funny business, like I said, with all the pikeys, Brad Pitt is young. He looks great. He's fit as a fiddle. Sounds great. He said he was afraid of trying to do the accent. And so they're like, well, just just be unintelligible. Right. Just put it to public. Just just gibberish half the time. I was also quite happy during these scenes.

Matt (31:09)
Yeah, he was, could not do it.

Tug McTighe (31:13)
to hear the little loved, largely loved by me, but little remembered Dreadlock Holiday by 10CC in the background. Very good.

Matt (31:21)
love Tensies.

Yeah, so it's interesting Brad Pitt wanted to work with Guy Ritchie and Guy Ritchie wanted to work with Brad Pitt So Brad Pitt said hey, I'd love to be in this movie You have a role for me he said yes, and then he realized he did not have a role for him So he wrote this character and I have to wonder what that story looked like before he wrote

Tug McTighe (31:35)
I can't do this accent at all. Yeah.

So as you well know, when we come up with a concept. We have the idea, we go, OK, we think it's going to come to life this way, but then in the middle of working on it, it turns a corner and becomes something else. And I have it written down on my whiteboard discovery and reinterpretation, right? When you when you when you're executing something. So I like to know what

Richie thought it was gonna be. Then cast Brad Pitt, had this creative box put around him and then he had to turn a corner, to something else.

Matt (32:16)
Yeah, no, it's possible

he didn't have it planned out or it's possibly possibly said, hey, this will work even better. It's just probably it's problem solving like, you know, we do every day. That's all it is.

Tug McTighe (32:25)
Yep. Yep.

So Turkish now that he knows Mickey can fucking box, he enlists Mickey to replace George in the fight. And because Mickey wants a caravan for his mother, that's all he wants. then Rick, they don't yet. They're all mobile. They all live. Yeah, they live out in the sticks and they all live in caravans as it were. So then, of course, Brick Top wants him to throw the fight.

Matt (32:38)
Right? Yeah, because they all live in a big trailer park together.

Tug McTighe (32:52)
You go down to the fourth. Yeah.

Matt (32:52)
Right. I don't even think he wants him to. he's, Brick Top's

the guy that doesn't like want you to do something. He tells you you're gonna do it.

Tug McTighe (32:58)
No, yeah,

yeah, that's right. So so Turkish is caught between Mickey's unpredictability because I don't know what Mickey's gonna do and and they're like and brick top will feed us to the fucking pigs if we screw this up. So what happens? Of course Mickey knocks out The brick tops boxer one punch. They're like go down in the fourth. He walks out whack knocks the guy out cold and Everybody's like for fuck's sake. So now we're we were in a mess

Like we said at the jump, you know this is going to go badly. We're in a mess. Now we're deeper in a mess.

so Avi hearing that Frankie is going to a boxing match with a diamond, Frankie four fingers, he flips out because Frankie four fingers is a degenerate gambler.

Matt (33:44)
Right, oh they set that up at the beginning. Now stay away from gambling and he's like no problem. Of course the next thing you know.

Tug McTighe (33:46)
They set that up.

And Boris is like,

you want to go to boxing match with a big am. And then one of my favorite parts of the movie, and here's where you'd be drinking in the drinking game, is this. Avi goes, I got to fucking get over to London and sort this out. And you see him on a plane taking a pill, taking a drink, going to sleep, the plane flight. And it goes it goes. And we repeat that bit three or four times throughout the film.

Matt (34:11)
Yeah, that was great.

Yeah, and you compress that

So knowing a franking gambling addiction, Boris asked him to place a bet for him at the bookie. So that's where we meet Saul and. Yes, they are three idiots, so Boris recruits them to rob the bookmaker and kidnap Frankie. And I thought that was great. And when he says, I got a job for you and so I was like, I'm not interested in. He's like, it's 40 grand. He's like, OK, tell me more.

Tug McTighe (34:23)
Of course he does.

Vinnie and Tyrone. Three morons.

interested

yeah yeah yeah yeah

Matt (34:47)
⁓ that just

did. So I thought that was great. so Tyrone said, you know, get that dog slobbering around my car. they're like, you stole this car. This isn't your car at all.

Tug McTighe (34:56)
Right

you stole this car. Yeah, because he found a dog right?

Matt (34:59)
Yeah, so that was

so it was just interesting to me how we completely drop story a and move to story.

Tug McTighe (35:05)
We're gone.

We're and right away. Yeah, we're gone back to this other thing. So again, a lot of a lot of business here. They cock up the robbery. She's like, do you know whose book maker this is? It's it's Brick Tops. All right, shut up. And then the guy with the case is the wrong guy because Tyrone backed his car into the van that Frankie Fourfingers was in and he got knocked out. So it's just a total clusterfuck.

Matt (35:20)
Right.

Yeah, they're waiting

for a guy with four fingers and the guy's not going to show up because he's in the van. already smashed him.

Tug McTighe (35:36)
He's in the van that they parked him in. ⁓ Tyrone is

a big, heavy guy, big fat guy. And he's trying to get out of the car for like 10 seconds. Like this is our getaway driver. So just a lot of, a lot of mess being built for these guys. ⁓

Matt (35:49)
Yeah, that great. get locked

in, they get locked inside.

Tug McTighe (35:53)
Yeah, the seal gates come down all this she's got a shotgun the bookie the part No, I wrote you open the door. Yeah, it's arms or So there's a nice back and forth Where

Matt (35:57)
think but they're not locked in at all. The Tyrone comes just opens it more and lets them out.

Tug McTighe (36:07)
The Pikeys are doing a, they're having their dogs chase a hare and turkish poppy are there. And as you see the hare being chased by the dogs, you see these guys chasing Tyrone and chasing everybody. So it's this nice, again, stylistic, a nice bit of business by Richie here.

Matt (36:12)
Right.

Yeah, it was a nice

parallel. thought that was a nice piece. know, and Boris chops Frankie's arm off, know. Frankie's killed during the robbery at the bag over his head.

Tug McTighe (36:30)
Yeah, Frankie is killed during the robbery.

Like

we can't get the we can't get the handcuff off and he's like.

Matt (36:38)
So he's walking around with this briefcase with a hand on it.

Tug McTighe (36:41)
army tapes it up with duct tape and newspaper.

Matt (36:43)
was great.

Tug McTighe (36:44)
So now Brick Top is involved because that was his bookmaker. Frankie's dead. He's got Vinny and Saul. They're so small time. They have zero idea who he is. And this is what he's like, you know, you can't get rid of a body like that. They're too heavy. You got to cut it up in six or eight pieces. Then you got to got to starve. He just sit in there. He goes, me a cup of tea. Will you?

Matt (36:56)
Right.

Yeah, they got a good center and kind of guy they're doing.

Tug McTighe (37:07)
to his flunky and he's just telling him how to dispose of a body, the pig farm method. And then here we get now, Matt again, okay, so we walked away from the story, Turkish and the Pikeys. We're now on the diamond and the problems. So then we get introduced to Bullet Tooth Tony. This is Vinnie Jones. Hudson's mad at the mailman. This is Vinnie Jones, again, historic hard man of English football.

Matt (37:24)
Yeah, finish him.

You

Tug McTighe (37:31)
he's a bounty hunter who obby hires to find Boris. He knows Boris has the diamond. He's like, we got to get this diamond, right? Okay. So then there is a series of crashes, fights, fumbles foibles. obvious body guard Rosebud is killed. And so again, a lot of cacophony.

Visual, visual cacophony, story cacophony. It's messy. And this is where I was like, okay, I don't quite think he has all the threads, Richie. It's getting loose. It tightens back together, okay. But again, I'm like, are we going off the rails here? And I sort of, cause it's kind of a middle. Yeah. Really chaotic. And a lot, a lot happens, right? So.

Matt (38:06)
Right.

It was really chaotic for a bit there, yeah, absolutely.

Tug McTighe (38:19)
Mickey's gonna, they've got another fight because Turkey, he's like, you're now your man's going to fight because Mickey knocked out the first guy. So Bricktop says, now we have another fight. then they, Turkish goes back to the Pikeys and start talking to them about the fight. And they're like, look, Turkish, like, look, I can't make this guy fight. And Bricktop's I can, I can. And they burned down his village.

Matt (38:26)
Right.

Tug McTighe (38:43)
killing his mother. So we took a dark turn. was comedy, violence, comedy, and took a dark turn.

Matt (38:47)
Yeah.

Yeah, this is

we would maybe call it a tone break, but in a good way for me because it did kind of up the stakes. The movie took on a real tone of menace. You always felt like Bricktop was a bad and dangerous and ruthless son of a bitch, but he really showed it here.

Tug McTighe (38:57)
Yep.

Correct.

Well, he burns their

whole traveling village down. Yeah. And kills the guy's mom. Yeah. So, so again, they're.

Matt (39:11)
Right, and killed the guy's mom.

So I was back

in, if I was drifting away, was paying attention.

Tug McTighe (39:17)
100 %

100 % and again, like this is I didn't look at it map probably the midpoint right? There's no turning back now. Everything has changed. It's it's the stakes are higher. The action is ratcheting up and everything and like I said, everything's coming together quickly here now. So Turkish and Tommy go out to visit Mickey who agrees with the fight. And he he's been jokey. Mickey has what he's like he can't do any more carnage. I got it all fight.

Matt (39:39)
Mm-hmm.

Tug McTighe (39:42)
to stop, have to stop this. So obvious not happy that the Russians are involved. He calls them anti semi co sock sluts. So he's like, we got to stop Boris who walks in Boris. Right? So again, there's a bit of a time jump. have all the everybody's following everybody. Everybody's like you said, if we were drifting,

We're back on track. So everybody's following each other in their cars. Avi and Tony have Boris in the trunk. Boris is killed when the car hits him. Rosebud is stabbed during the car ride. David goes, use the sword. And it's like a samurai sword. And then the car crash and then it's sticking through him.

Matt (40:19)
Yeah,

they telegraphed that, it was still, I was actually glad it happened, right?

Tug McTighe (40:22)
Yeah, what do you hold it? What do you do with that thing? Um,

and then Turkish is always drinking milk and Tommy goes, you gotta get rid of that milk. He goes, why? He goes, it's evolutionary. Your body can't digest it properly. We only domesticated cows 1500 years ago. so he throws the milk carton out the window.

Matt (40:39)
Right.

Tug McTighe (40:43)
It hits bullet tooth Tony's car and splashes on the windshield. They wreck the car. That's when Rosebud gets stabbed. And that's when there's another car crash and Boris is in the trunk and he gets killed. So it's again, a disaster of epic proportion. But really, we got a really good monologue from Vinnie Jones here when he's threatening.

Saul and Vinny and Tyrone because he knows they're morons. And again, to your earlier point about your drinking game, a lot of guy Richie shit here. There's his trademark edits, camera moves, the effects, the jump cuts, all this stuff.

And like I said, again, I'm going, it's almost there, Richie. It's almost there. Not quite there. Like not as talented at this moment in his life of a filmmaker as I think he will be or as Tarantino was, but he's trying a lot of cool stuff.

Matt (41:28)
Right.

He is trying and I think when you have that kind of chaos in the story, that's where I think it's risky to use those kind of quick.

Tug McTighe (41:39)
Yeah. Yeah. Because I,

I, I found it to be a little disjointed. I had to go back and rewind like twice to go. Did I fucking miss a scene here or something? Right. You cannot. So, all right. So by the end of all this, I'll be has the case with a diamond down a long hallway. It's a Mexican standoff. Boris is on one side. I'll be has a case. Solve any entire owner on the other. And then old bullet tooth Tony comes in. And then there was a funny bit where

Matt (41:48)
And you can't do that in the theater.

Tug McTighe (42:07)
It takes like 20 bullets to kill Boris.

Matt (42:09)
Right, right. And he's like on the ground and Vinnie's just shooting him and.

Tug McTighe (42:11)
He shoots him. And

he goes, all right. And then he goes, all right, we got it. And he goes, goes, he's like, so I thought that was kind of a funny bit. And again, you've got this. We've talked about this before, right? This Richie's going for violence countered by comedy, violence, comedy, violence. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work so well. Cause I think.

Matt (42:19)
I thought that was funny too.

Tug McTighe (42:36)
Some of the funny parts aren't that funny. Some of them are. Some of them are, but some of them aren't.

Matt (42:39)
Right, yeah.

Tommy and Turkish get into an argument about how they're in a known situation now between an unpredictable gypsy, which is a red pit and the gangster. So they're stuck in between a rock and a hard place between, you know, the boxing pikey and brick top, the gangster who feeds his victims to pigs. And I'm not sure.

Tug McTighe (42:51)
Good name. the way, good name for band, unpredictable gypsy.

Yeah.

Yeah, so

they're not, it's not working for them today.

Matt (43:11)
Right. So Vinnie and Saul get the case in the hallway shootout and go to give it to Bricktop because he's going to kill him if they don't. He gave him 48 hours, right? Yeah, they leave. They leave the dog behind that they are so many dogs in this movie. And they go back to their office and pretend that the dog ate the diamond. Because the dog had eaten a chew toy or something.

Tug McTighe (43:20)
Yeah, yeah, he gave them a he them a ticking clock.

In their office, yeah, their little office. Yeah.

Right. They're making up a story.

He ate the, he ate the pee-pee ball.

Matt (43:39)
Yeah, so it's still squeaking in the stomach.

And Saul had it the whole time, but then the dog does grab it and jumps out the window.

Tug McTighe (43:45)
Right. So right, because plot. Yeah.

Matt (43:49)
Right, and remember

this at the time. Avi shoots the gun all over the room trying to hit the dog

Tug McTighe (43:55)
He's just

Matt (43:56)
So he emptied the gun all over the room trying to hit the dog. The dog escaped out the window and having eaten the diamond, but he did manage to accidentally shoot bullet-toothed Tony.

Tug McTighe (44:01)
eating has eaten the diamond

Yeah, so, so,

so obvious, like I'm out of here. This is over my head. And we do that jump cut again, pills, drink airplane back to New York. Yeah. I really liked that. ⁓ they, ⁓ are forced to give the location of the diamond up.

Matt (44:10)
Yes.

Yeah, that was great.

Tug McTighe (44:24)
when Vinnie's dog was threatened by death and then that's when he swallows the diamond, jumps out the window. Again, a bit of a ridiculous, like I said, because plot that they did do a good job of setting up that the dog will eat everything. So at least there's that. ⁓

Matt (44:35)
Yeah. I thought

that they did a lot of that Chekhov's gun stuff. I don't feel like Guy Ritchie, if he paid something off, it's because he introduced it and foreshadowed it earlier, and I appreciate it.

Tug McTighe (44:40)
Yeah, they set it up and paid off.

And

to wit, Sol and Vinnie reckon that the dog will go back to the Pikey campsite. Earlier they said, where'd you find him? Well, he went back to the, I found him and he ran away and I went back to the campsite he was there. So he keeps going back to the campsite. they also go, decide they're going to look for a pig farm. Cause I got to get rid of a bunch of them. They got like eight dead bodies in their office now.

Matt (45:03)
The dog.

Right?

Tug McTighe (45:11)
So then of course, we get Mickey is at his mother's funeral and he's trashed and he has to fight that night. So they try to sober him up. He's in the fight and they're like, you've got to go down in the fourth. And the first time, the first, when the bell rings, he basically almost knocks the guy out. And then he realizes, so he takes all this beating. ⁓

Matt (45:28)
Right.

And you think

he's gonna go through, he's gonna do, go down in the fourth like he's supposed to.

Tug McTighe (45:35)
youth and he gets knocked down and he's bloody

and they're like, yeah, it's going to work out. And then what happens, Matt?

Matt (45:40)
he knocks a guy out in the fourth because he bet on himself.

Tug McTighe (45:41)
Why?

Why? Correct.

The pikeys put a bunch of bets on him. So pretty, funny. and then this for me is the best part of the movie. This is the Guy Ritchie moment where you're like, this is what he wants to do. It's slow mo Brad pickets punched and knocked off his feet.

Matt (45:48)
Yeah, so that was great.

Tug McTighe (46:09)
in midair and super slow mo. There's motion. There's stop motion ramping, cutting, great music. Brad Pitt falls on the mat and goes underwater. He's underwater for a second. And then he pops out and decks the guy. So it's just a beautiful sort of, you're like, this is his vision. Yeah.

Matt (46:11)
Right.

Yeah, all the tools are there. All his

kind of trademark tools. I just think he gets better and better at using them, knowing when to use them, when not to.

Tug McTighe (46:35)
Yeah. Yeah.

So as I said earlier, I think the, the pikeys are the most interesting part of the movie and boy are they, because they have set the whole fucking thing up, the fight, the funeral, the drunkenness, the betting on themselves, because what do they do? They fucking ambush Bricktop and his crew. 20 pikeys murder everybody.

Matt (47:02)
Right. Bricktop had people in place to take them out and they, of course, look invented that. That was pretty great.

Tug McTighe (47:04)
Correct. They're like, yeah, fuck off. So

that was really impressive. And again, the whole time they were planning it because Mickey knew it was Brick Top that killed him. Yeah. So Tommy and Turkish go out to the Travelers deserted camp. It's gone now. Right. They're gone. They're there. We'll never find them. Right. ⁓ They're briefly confronted by police looking for the travelers and they go, what are you doing out here? You two.

Matt (47:16)
Yeah, so it felt like a heist, like kind of a heist that part of it.

Right. Nope, they're out of here.

Tug McTighe (47:33)
And then who shows up? Daisy, the dog.

Matt (47:37)
that's right. And they said, we're walking our dog.

Tug McTighe (47:38)
Oh, we're looking

for a dog. Yeah, so they got the dog. Turkish agrees to keep it. They take it to a vet. Guess what's in the dog's stomach. That's right. The giant diamond. As they drive away, they see Saul and Vinnie being arrested with Frankie Fourfinger's body. They go to visit with Doug the head, asking if he knows anyone that might be interested in the 84 karat diamond. Avi in the third iteration of the jump cut. Drink, pills, plane, London.

Matt (47:49)
which in baseball is nice diamond.

Tug McTighe (48:08)
to purchase diamonds so that's it except for right what's the punchline you know yeah do know anybody who might want to buy an 84 karat diamond yeah

Matt (48:10)
Yeah, that's the punchline.

What? the punchline?

Yeah, they gotta dug the head and says,

hey, do you anybody might want to buy this? And then there's Dennis Farina. I know guy and then cut to credits like so we got the third part of the joke, right? We got the framing. We've got the build up and now we've got the punch line and that's it and fade to black. Not even fade to black cut to black.

Tug McTighe (48:22)
I might know a guy, yeah.

Yeah.

Yep. And then we got the punch line and then cut fade to black.

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Matt (49:14)
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Tug McTighe (49:17)
Just Google a little bit for Christ's sake. It's too late. right, any closing thoughts?

Matt (49:19)
It's a little bit of dark graphics. ⁓

Yes, to I have one to add on the front of this. If it seems like it was hard for me to remember what happened in this story and who did what it really was. There were a lot of people. If you read the Wikipedia entry to this, it's like two paragraphs long because.

Tug McTighe (49:32)
Yes!

It's horrible. We had

to yeah, we always adjust the Wikipedia and but fuck I had to basically write it.

Matt (49:44)
Yeah, to kind of remember, this happened and this happened and this happened, but it wasn't a terribly linear story. Or if it were, it would have been 15 minutes long. there were, I think parts where he talked, where he said, and then what happened? was like, I don't remember what happened next. They went back to somewhere. we, but there were funny bits. Like I forgot about the guns that said replica. Okay. So like me, you were a.

Tug McTighe (49:54)
Right, right. A lot of fans have... Yeah. I don't quite know.

Matt (50:11)
90s era frat guy. We were actually fraternity brothers, Daryl, data kind of rules. So you probably had the same experience that I did on a few occasions when you had some downtime. was a Saturday afternoon. You and two or three or eight or ten other guys would get a couple of cases of Natty light and the large pizza, the cheapest you can find. had home team pizza was a five dollar extra large cheese pizza.

Tug McTighe (50:12)
Sure was. Theta Chi's, that's correct.

So do we.

Matt (50:35)
and you would watch whatever VHS tape was floating around. it was for us, it was Blazing Saddles. I watched that probably 50 times because somebody had it. And you'd laugh and you'd drink beer and you'd misquote the movie. And it was just a great time. If this movie had existed in 1993, this would have been one of those movies that we would have watched on repeat. It's comfort food. This is the chicken pot pie movies for me. It's flawed in a lot of ways, but the satisfying ending like

Tug McTighe (50:41)
Yep. Yep.

110%, yes.

Matt (51:05)
seeing things get wrapped up, everybody's taken care of it one way or the other. And you just end on that. Hey, I know a guy. ⁓ I'd watch this again, assuming I have a glass of something. I'd watch this in order.

Tug McTighe (51:13)
Yeah. Yeah. And like, Well, when

I, watched it, you watched it before I did and I go, Hey, I'm watching it tonight. And you're like, I text you like you, you might want to drink some beers. But dude, when you said that I can picture the Theta Chi chapter room, the front room with the TV and somebody's got a party ball. Right. And they're watching this, like you said, and you can come in any time and leave any time.

Matt (51:25)
It makes it better.

Right.

Tug McTighe (51:43)
because it's a series of bits, but yeah, just on and on and on again. And I think it's probably one of those, Matt, where you pick up more shit. The more you watch, like, I didn't see that part. now I see the connection. So it's a lot of that kind of an Easter eggy. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (51:57)
Right. I need to pay attention to this. I don't need to pay

attention to this. Yeah, there was just a lot of moving parts and in most ways I think it worked. Yeah.

Tug McTighe (52:06)
Yeah. Oh yeah, for

sure. Again, my, my, like I said at the jump, I think a lot of it works. think some of it doesn't, but not enough of it doesn't work to make it a miss. So it's a mild sin to hit for me. Be fun to watch again. You turn it on. If it's on, like I watched it on Tubi dude with commercials. Yeah. So by the way, Tubi is, kind of a treasure trove for shit. Everybody. There's a lot of stuff on Tubi and just, just an app on your, on your TV. So yeah.

Matt (52:23)
Yeah, I think I did the same. I watched it with commercials.

Yeah, if you were

super cheap, there are half a dozen ways you can watch movies, TV shows, a lot of stuff. It may not be the latest and greatest, but there's all sorts of.

Tug McTighe (52:39)
A lot of yeah, a lot of Yeah.

And you might like, might have to

sit through commercials every 20 minutes, but yeah, it worked great. So yeah, send a hit for you.

Matt (52:47)
A commercial, the way we used to. Yep.

Yeah, CineHit, especially if you haven't seen anything from Guy Ritchie, this is a nice one to dive in with.

Tug McTighe (52:58)
Or if you have seen Sherlock, gentlemen, et cetera, this is a drive down memory lane, right?

Matt (53:06)
Yeah, if you like that, if you like the Guy Ritchie style, why not give it a go.

Tug McTighe (53:09)
Yeah, this is a nice,

again, way to spend, what, not 90 minutes, what was it, hour 40, hour 45? Pretty quick. So, all right.

Matt (53:20)
Yeah, it didn't take forever.

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Tug McTighe (53:47)
Big news.

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I like Chrome, there's other ones out there. And check it out.

So as always, we ask what our next cinemas is going to be and what the cinemas or things he knows. And I believe the next episode is going to be 28 days later, which you have not seen, right? But I haven't seen it either. So what do you think you know about

Tug McTighe (54:10)
That is correct. I have not seen it. There you go, a

double wham. So I think it's about zombies. And I also think it's English. In Britain, maybe?

Matt (54:23)
Maybe, I think Killian Murphy's in it.

Tug McTighe (54:25)
I believe so, who might quite like. He was Oppenheimer in Oppenheimer and Jinky Blinders. That's Matt, honest Christ. I'm assuming there's a zombie apocalypse and we pick up our story 28 days later.

Matt (54:30)
He was, it all comes back.

I bet you're right. Well, we're gonna find out in a couple of weeks. So meanwhile, thank you for joining us. I'm Matt.

Tug McTighe (54:45)
I'm Tug, that's a wrap.

All right, brother. All right. Have a great weekend. Happy Easter.

Matt (54:52)
Anyway, thanks buddy. Yeah,

I'll talk to you soon. Happy Easter. Thanks bud.