Ep. 40 - Exploring CBD Benefits for Pain Relief and Muscle Relaxation with Maggy Troup

Unlock the incredible benefits of CBD and cannabis therapy with our latest episode! Maggy Troup joins host Julie Alexander to debunk stigmas and dive deep into how these powerful plants can transform your health routine. Discover the rich history and medicinal potentials that CBD offers for pain relief and muscle relaxation. 

From understanding the endocannabinoid system to learning about high-quality product selection, Maggy shares invaluable insights and tips. We also discuss how CBD enhances massage therapy, ensuring the best outcomes for client care. Plus, get introduced to Handcrafted Therapy’s new CBD product line and an exciting educational course collaboration. 

Whether you're a massage therapist, a curious consumer, or a wellness enthusiast, this episode equips you with essential knowledge to make informed choices about CBD. Don’t miss out on this enlightening conversation about revolutionizing pain management and holistic health with CBD! 

In this episode, Julie and Maggy discuss:  

• Benefits of CBD in Massage Therapy 
• Education and Normalization of CBD 
• Choosing Reliable CBD Products 
• CBD's Interaction with the Body 
• Addressing Client Concerns 

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More About Maggy Troup 

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I’m Maggy. For over 20 years, I’ve been a bodyworker and educator. I feel so lucky to be here; everyday, I feel more connected to the work that I do. What started as a way to support myself has blossomed into a passion to understand the human body and wellness. With a degree in Kinesiology, I’ve delved deep into Anatomy and Biomechanics, always seeking to understand how our bodies move, heal, and respond. This curiosity has led me to specialize in sports massage, medical massage, and orthopedic neuromuscular feedback—all focused on helping people reconnect with their bodies and find relief from chronic pain. 

I’ve had the privilege of teaching foundational courses for massage therapists, including advanced anatomy, kinesiology, and sports massage. Now, as a nationally certified continuing education providor, I get to help other massage therapists thrive in their careers through offering advanced and foundational classes and coaching. 

My passion extends beyond just my own practice. I’m committed to giving back to the massage community by raising the standards of both the profession and its education. Through my volunteer work with the American Massage Therapy Association (AMTA), I help bring therapists together, supporting their growth and advancement through higher education. 

When I’m not working, you’ll find me in the mountains, practicing yoga, or working out—anything that helps me stay grounded and connected to my own body. 

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Transcript

Ep. 40 - Exploring CBD Benefits for Pain Relief and Muscle Relaxation with Maggy Troup

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Julie Alexander: All right, I'm so excited to have Maggie Troop on my podcast today. Maggie has become a quick Really good friend I'm so happy. She's here. She is the for our co coordinators in the Dallas region for the AMTA, which is the American Massage Therapy [00:01:00] Association. And Maggie, she lives in Denton.

She is originally from the West coast in California. And we're going to talk a little bit about, her experience in California and how it's. kind of translate it into what she's doing in Texas and how we're working a little bit more on those subjects to, to give her a little bit more umph in what she's doing in her life.

And I'm super excited to have her on. Thanks for joining us.

Maggy Toup: Thank you so much for having me, Julie. I am so excited to be here with you and all of your listeners today. And I'm excited to connect and talk more about this topic. That's one of my favorite things to talk about in the entire world. So thanks for having me on.

Julie Alexander: Absolutely. I'm just thrilled you're here with us. Maggie is adorable. She is just as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside. just know that when she talks to you about, [00:02:00] you know, anything living, she's walking the walk, right? She's walking the walk.

Maggy Toup: thank you. That is very kind.

Julie Alexander: yeah I think she's very knowledgeable in this subject.

 Tell Tell us what you did a little bit in California about topicals used in the massage 

Maggy Toup: Yes,

Topicals, CBD, cannabis, the whole industry. It's it's been something that's definitely I have been utilizing plant medicine for many decades in my own life, and I have been massage therapist for now over two decades. And so kind of as the, we started talking more about cannabis and it become a little bit more mainstream.

topicals

Topicals was the first thing that I wanted to do. I was so excited to be able to introduce the therapies that I had been utilizing for myself and my, personal journey with chronic pain and then introduce it into with my clients and being in California was a lot more easy because [00:03:00] as the cannabis industry started developing, more people were asking for it and you know, I would say I have CBD or cannabis.

I could use, of course, let's put it on my body. I don't care. And so now coming to Texas, there's a little bit more education behind it. I think people are a little bit more apprehensive about it. But essentially I was a massage therapist for a long time and I was always looking for something else. You know, any massage therapists are always looking for like, what's the next modality.

What's. This is a new thing. What can I, you know, what can I add into my practice? And so, I was working with my brother at the time, actually, and he was dealing with some really bad chronic pain. And, you know, we'd always have these conversations and, you know, you always get stuck in the corner at some party of somebody like telling you about the surgery that went wrong or something.

And so him and I talked a lot about his chronic pain. And I had my friend at the time, she was this little like brouhaha. She loved [00:04:00] surgery. She's an esthetician by trade and like a botanist by interest. And so she said, Hey, I've been reading up on cannabis and all of the benefits that it has topically.

Let's try to make a topical. And I, of course, like a no brainer. I was like, Oh my God. Yes, of course. So she was a brains behind it. I was kind of more of the body side education, understanding how does it work physiologically? How do we apply it? What does it look like? How do you incorporate it into massage?

And so we created a company in California, it was called Mashed Canna and it was based around topicals. And my dream was to be able to provide high quality cannabis and CBD products. For topical use throughout the industry. And so kind of just getting into that, we dove full force. We went into not just the CBD industry.

We broke into the cannabis industry as well. We had a lot of [00:05:00] conversations. We connect with a lot of people as when we started, this was in 2020. It was the summer of 2020. We were actually hunkered down in this little cabin together. Cause we. Didn't, couldn't leave the house and we said, let's do something with this time.

So that's when we started this. And as things started opening up, we started connecting. There was a really great, well, still is really great organization that women employed in cannabis and it was led by women entrepreneurs in the cannabis industry. And so they really helped us kind of like break into it.

We just started getting the research, connecting with people in the industry and kind of What the needs were that people had for topical. And so that's kind of what got started. And I mean, spoil alert. My brother was our guinea pig used the product. And the reason why we were like, everybody needs this because his pain was.

Like it made such a difference. And he's like, I've been, the only [00:06:00] thing I've changed is I'm applying this topical that you made me three times a day. And he noticed that his neurological pain was gone. His inflammation was gone. He was able to move again without that constant nagging, like, Oh my gosh, is this going to anger it?

And so for me, as I started studying the physiological effects of how cannabis interacts with our body and what happens when we're in and How the different ways that cannabis can benefit our bodies. I started recognizing it's not just this. There's such a big array of, I guess, pathologies or in the cannabis we call the disease of body.

Right. There's so many different things that cannabis and CBD therapies can really help with. And so I really. I love being able to bring this to people and open up their eyes and recognize it's not so scary. It's just another tool in our massage therapy tool belt that we can do to [00:07:00] physiologically mitigate pain and inflammation in our clients bodies.

Julie Alexander: So let's talk about that. How does it do that? How, I mean, I know that when we put something on the body, so as a massage therapist, I've done this a lot. I've done this. I've I've created up my own product line that has Arnica in it, for instance. And I can take that product line, apply it to the body that I'm And Arnica is then absorbed into the body at a certain rate. we hope it helps, right? I mean, that's 

Maggy Toup: Yeah, that's the idea. We're all kind of just like little science experiments, right? Like, we never really know, like, this is the outcome that this will happen because everybody's body is so unique and that's what makes it so so, yeah, so topically, when you put everything together, Anything on the body, your skin absorbs it, right?

And then you hopefully uptakes it. And then the benefits of whatever you're putting on the skin is so our bodies, we actually have an endocannabinoid [00:08:00] system. That's already, it's already incorporated in our body. They call it the mother of all systems. So we have our muscular system and our tegumentary system and our digestive system and all these different So the endocannabinoid system is a system that. oversees everything. It's whole idea or a goal is to keep our body in homeostasis, which is that like perfect balance. And so what happens, so say for instance, we're in this endocannabinoid system will send out signals, right? Of like, we're in pain.

Like, how do we react to And we have these two different endocannabinoids that are, our body naturally produces and there are a lot of different processes. You see them. So When we introduce phyto cannabinoids, which is plant medicine, it's the cannabinoids that come from the plant, much like Arnica, right?

Those uptake into your body, much like a lock and key system, they meet with our endocannabinoid system. It nourishes [00:09:00] it. And just like any other supplement, you don't just like take it once and you're like, I'm cured. You know, our bodies have to start to regulate and this starts to. Recognize it and the symptoms start to mitigate.

So think of it. It's like we're trying to feed and nourish just like our muscular system or a digestive system. We don't just eat a healthy meal and feel better. We have to continuously incorporate healthy into our bodies. So. Same thing with the CBD therapies is you can use it topically, so it really helps with local pain.

It helps with local information. You can ingest it. That helps more systemically, but essentially, it's working with our local pain. endocannabinoid system that we already have in our bodies that is already trying to regulate and bring us back to this beautiful homeostasis. So we're just giving it the nutrients that it needs to be able to thrive.

video1511286137: Maggie, 

Julie Alexander: that was beautiful. You have a lot of big words in there. And I want to, break this down a [00:10:00] little bit for our listeners because not all of us know what how to do that. Cannabinoid means what a, what your cannabinoid system even is. I mean, you kind of talked about it a little bit, but can you just briefly talk about what a cannabinoid is?

Where does it come from and why do we 

Maggy Toup: Yes, that is great. Thank you so much. I thank you so much for calling me out on So cannabinoid is essentially like an essence. So if you're looking, so phyto means plant and endo means from within. So we produce Endocannabinoids. These are just, this is what communicates with our endocannabinoid system that we are producing in our body.

So endo inside the cannabinoid is just the molecule that we're interact with system. When we incorporate phytocannabinoids,

video1511286137: cannabinoids,

Maggy Toup: which is a plant based cannabinoid. It works with the same system. So [00:11:00] essentially, if you look at the cannabis it is made and it's not just like this one plant and everybody knows THC.

That's like, everybody knows what that is. And now we all know what CBD is because they defined it, right? But there's a bunch of different cannabinoids. It's not just those two things. plant. The whole plant of the cannabis plant is made up of major cannabinoids, which is like 

video1511286137: THC minor 

Maggy Toup: cannabinoids, CBN, CBG, CBDA, all these different things, as well as it has terpenes, which is essentially the essential oil of the and also flavonoids, which are molecules that help bring flavor to the plant.

So every plant is going to be comprised of all these different things. And each plant, it has, I think there's discovered somewhere around a hundred different cannabinoids that come out of the singular cannabis plant and hemp and cannabis are kind of similar but different. They're grown, essentially the [00:12:00] composition is a little bit different.

And when you grow like hemp specific plant, it's like a thicker stock and some other things, but generally they're going to have the same like parts and so I hope, does that break it down?

Julie Alexander: yeah, it does. So me try to is now. So I get a lot of questions because I use CBD in my practice almost as long as they agree 

video1511286137: want to 

Julie Alexander: have it. And I get a lot of questions about it in service. The main question I have is, this going to make them high?

Maggy Toup: That's 

Julie Alexander: So, 

Maggy Toup: wants to know, right? 

Julie Alexander: yeah, 

Maggy Toup: it to be a yes.

Julie Alexander: well, I mean, maybe so. I don't know what they want to hear, but what is the correct 

Maggy Toup: Yeah. So I tell people, no, CBD is not going to make you high. CBD does not make you high because CBD, the receptors, we have two different receptors in our body. We have CB1 receptors and CB2

video1511286137: CB2

Maggy Toup: receptors. CBD [00:13:00] mostly, not all of it, but mostly interacts with the CB2 receptors.

Those work with pain information getting sent back into the body that's constantly regulating like what's going on in our external environment and sends it back into our central our brain and our spinal CB one receptors actually mostly interact with THC and THC is able to cross the blood brain barrier, which causes those psychoactive Can you get high from CBD? Absolutely. If you isolate the THC molecule, which is also called Delta nine, which is found in very, tiny amounts in the But what they do is they take it out, they magnify it. So It's technically a hemp or CBD product, but it's still giving you psychoactive That's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is straight CBD, like we're talking like an isolate or a full spectrum, it's a general CBD that you're gonna buy off for pain. [00:14:00] That's not going to make you high because it doesn't interact with your body that way. It does. And then I think the idea of psychoactive components is like, yeah, we do actually want a little bit of components because we do want altering of our pain perception.

We do want altering of our inflammatory process. We do want that, but it's not going to make you like high, like I'm sitting on the couch, watching pizza. because the receptors that are going to give you that psychoactive component are looking for THC and it's the CB1 receptor. So I know this is a very description.

So let me know if I need to break that down any further.

Julie Alexander: So I hope we haven't lost our listeners yet. I think I'm following I can see where there would be a lot more questions because she's mentioned a lot of things. Now she's talked about talked about the cannabinoid [00:15:00] process. and the cannabinoid system in our bodies.

CB1, CB2. We've talked about hemp. We've talked about topicals. We haven't really talked much about ingestibles, but I don't really want to do that discussion podcast today because we're just talking about topicals and service. So we're in Texas. Did you have something 

Maggy Toup: Yeah, I wanted to add into that. So as far as that, will CBD make me high? Topically, it's really hard. Even if you soaked in a high THC cannabis product for hours, you might feel a little bit of psychoactive components. But like, if you are putting something topically on your skin, it's going to be really hard to make you high.

Or even if you're a therapist using CBD on your clients all day, you're not going to get high either. So You can save that for after you're done with 

Julie Alexander: Yes. Yes.

So, I mean, we're in Texas, right? Some of [00:16:00] our listeners are in states that are, you know, marijuana is legal, THC is legal in those states, so some of this might not apply to you if you're in a state that, has different laws. But we're going to, we want to talk a little bit about Texas, specifically, and how, you know, the regulations here are pretty tight.

Is it legal to use CBD products on your client?

Maggy Toup: Absolutely. Since the farm bill passed in the federal legalized CBD, which is when they defined what CBD is a different cannabinoid than THC, and they started recognizing the medicinal benefits and that what they could actually do with this molecule. So CBD is legal. It is legal in all 50 states.

However, certain states can choose to regulate it how they, they have the [00:17:00] discrepancy to regulate it how they want. So it's up to you as a therapist who's using it to make sure that you're up to date on the regulations. Because although it is federally legal, so all states, each state can have their own laws on how they would like you to incorporate or sell 

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Julie Alexander: so, as far as dosage, when you apply this to a client, what is your recommendation as far as dosing? Or how do you figure that out?

Maggy Toup: Yeah, I always say just start with a really high quality product because dosing is hard because there's not necessarily a one size fits all. Everybody's body's different. Everybody's body is going to uptake. So say you have a very depleted endocannabinoid system, you're going to need more CBD than if somebody has already has a good functioning endocannabinoid system, they would need less, right?

Kind of much like vitamins. And so for dosing, I would say you can't [00:18:00] overdose, right? You can't overdose on CBD. It's a safe and forgiving medicine. You as a therapist who are using it, you're not going to overdose.

Your client is not going to overdose. Like, you're not in there for hours and hours just like soaking them in this. It's like. Nothing's going to happen. For dosing, I would say like a higher milligram count if it's, if you just have you have a full spectrum that also some of the other cannabinoids, incorporates some of those terpenes, those essential oils from the plant.

Those you can have lower milligram count because your body is absorbing in other ways and it kind of works as an entourage effect. So like the whole plant, if you have an isolated molecule, you can use pretty high count. There's a lot of products out there on the market, you know, there's 5, milligrams.

And you think, man, that sounds like a lot, but if you think about it, you have this bottle, maybe it has 45 servings in it, right? You do one pump. That's not going to be very much, right? 

video1511286137: [00:19:00] I don't, I 

Maggy Toup: They say around, I don't know, I don't even actually know who made this number up, but somewhere between 30 and 40 milligrams is like a reaction in your body.

I don't even know if that's based on science, but I hear this number all the time. But when it comes to dosing, like you just can't, I don't think it's as much dosing as it is on how you want to apply it. So If you're a massage therapist and you want to bring it into your office, say you want to add it into your lotion that you're going to be putting all over their body, you're going to use that one dose, right?

And you're going to like, put it, mix it with your lotion or whatever you're using It may, or 

video1511286137: if you want to do 

Maggy Toup: like a higher concentrate, you could take that and just add that to that, whatever you're going to do to one area of the So it's more, less of a dosing as opposed to like, how do you want to incorporate into Your practice and then more so recognizing it's a very safe medicine.

It's legal. It's like a supplement. As long as you have a high quality products, [00:20:00] you're good to go.

Julie Alexander: Good. let's, talk about the high quality products. Well, actually, before we move on from so when I use I, when I complete the back, I cover the back with and then I put, topical put it that way. And then I cover it with a hot towel.

And then I put a dry towel on top, the, sheet, blanket, and then a warm pack. And I kind of let that soak 

video1511286137: Um, 

Julie Alexander: that's what I do. And I've noticed that after I've worked and I do this, the back feels like warm butter bread, you know, 

Maggy Toup: Yes. 

Julie Alexander: out of the oven, warm, soft 

bread. And I found that this is really effective.

Now let's talk about good quality products. I'm 

Maggy Toup: Well, I want to talk about that

for a second. I [00:21:00] will. So I actually experienced your CBD situation. It was fantastic. My skin does did feel like butter. And like anything, when you're putting something on the skin, if you open up the capillaries and increase the blood flow, you're going to increase the uptake of that product.

So you doing that is genius, because it really helps Target the localized who doesn't have issues right? So there's a lot of creative ways to get this medicine to work more effectively And also when it comes to using CBD, we're trying to, or I guess when it comes to massage in general, what we're doing is trying to affect change in right?

We're trying to increase glide, increase mobility pliability. And CBD helps. your nervous system, relax. It helps the muscle tissues themselves relax. And so I get like that butter feeling. If I have somebody that is like, I'm feeling like, man, I'm just like not breaking through this tissue or those people that [00:22:00] come and they're just like already high strung on your table.

And like, we need extra help. I always use CBD with their permission because I know that it helps their body get into that. Like that mushy, gushy, gooey. Warm bread feeling. So like,

Julie Alexander: That's what we all want in life.

Maggy Toup: yeah. Right. That's what we want. That's all we 

Julie Alexander: I love it. I love it. Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you said that you can't overdo it and you can't overdose on 

Maggy Toup: Mean, you can't, it's just going to take like a lot, like you'd have to literally like drink bottles of it. Like

Julie Alexander: We're not recommending that.

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Maggy Toup: overdose, like, I think the worst thing you do is, like, throw up and go to sleep like, it's not deadly. There's literally zero reported cases of anything, like, deadly ever happening 

Julie Alexander: Yeah. Good. So 1 thing that I want to share with our audience that is kind of a new thing is Maggie [00:23:00] and I are working together to create a CBD product line for handcrafted therapy. So you people are like some of the first people to know this. So I hope you're like excited about this. Like we are, we've already got a great product line and Maggie has been so kind to help educate me and help me get to that next handcrafted therapy.

So I really hope that by the time this airs, we will be further down the line as far as product development. But we have a line of muscle rub, that's our flagship product. And it's, it's got a menthol kind of feel, tingly kind of feel, it's the all natural, answer to like a biofreeze.

You know, I use all natural I don't like I don't like the, chemical burns that you feel [00:24:00] from, a product

Maggy Toup: I know exactly.

Julie Alexander: Sorry. I just, you know, it gave me a lot of, the reason I created my muscle rub, the reason I created my store and the reason I have this podcast today is because somebody told me that I should look up the ingredients in Biofree.

That was the conversation and if you haven't done it, you should do it, or if you don't want to do it, I completely But I went down that rabbit trail, and that's when I discovered that we an all natural rub. The didn't burn your skin or cause harm to your body. Because we do know that you can absorb chemicals your body so when you say you need a good product, let's talk about that. What do you mean by that?

Maggy Toup: Not all. CBD is created equally, I would say, like I'm not gonna trash any CBD that you buy at a gas station, but I'm gonna [00:25:00] say like 99% of the time it's not gonna be a good product. A lot of times they'll market hemp products that are actually made from the CBD seeds, not from the plant.

video1511286137: itself

Maggy Toup: or stock, we want flour because that's when all the medicinal benefits So when it comes to looking for a high quality product, it's nice that a lot more companies are recognizing like they're not going to be selling products if they aren't high quality. And some things that I look for in a product is transparency. If, you know, they should, by law, they, on their bottle, they should have a dosing.

So on the front, it should say how many milligrams of CBD are in this bottle. On the back, on the label somewhere, it should have a dosing instruction saying one dose equals this, and this is this many milligrams. So those are required. So if they're, if those two basic things aren't on there, I'm like, okay, let's move on.

Some other things I look for is ethically sourced CBD. So like I said, some people get them [00:26:00] from really weird. Sourcing. And a lot of people who are privy to this businesses, they'll have it on their website. They'll tell you where they're getting it. Maybe it's a particular farm that they go through.

Maybe it's a trusted distributor. So making sure that they're adding high quality also, I mean, I think. The smart consumer, the people that are on this podcast, they already know to look for fillers and dyes and all those gross chemicals and stuff like that, that you'll find. So obviously that's a go to.

And the last thing that I would say, like on the website, if it's not there, then run the other way is your COA, which is a certificate of analysis. Any company that's putting out a CBD product needs to get it tested and they need to test for certain things. So potency, how many milligram counts and also some like heavy metals and some other stuff that like molds and that kind of stuff, these are required by the state, [00:27:00] by the federal, like government to be posted in an easily accessible area on their website.

So if you can't look up the product and say like, where's your COA, then they're probably hiding So, I mean, I think like it. Any other product looking for the transparency looking at the website. Does this look real? And most places I think would say like if you go to a CBD shop or you know, you're trying to buy it from like a trusted source, they're probably going to have some good products.

If you ask them questions about it, they'll be able to answer it. But if it looks shady, it probably is. And if it's really inexpensive, it's probably crap. So good quality CBD products are not necessarily cheap, but they're really effective and they're worth it.

Julie Alexander: Along with our product creating, Maggie Maggie, let's say, she's working on the content to do a class around this subject. I know [00:28:00] she, if you don't see her, she's got this little wiggle dance. It's so cute. She's super excited about this topic. So this is kind of a prequel, a little snippet, a little teaser for that class.

In the class, we're going to cover all of this and right?

Maggy Toup: Absolutely. Yeah. And so the exciting news actually is that, Julie, help me,

Julie Alexander: NCBT 

Maggy Toup: there we go. They recently approved having CBD as one of their approved courses. And so you're going to see a lot more education come out on this here first. So it's one of those things that I'm so excited to be on the forefront of.

And I'm, I. It's something that people are using in their practice, but there's no education behind and I'm so excited that their people are moving forward in this and recognizing that this is not going anywhere. And if you Julie's doing a happy dance now, and I mean, if you haven't [00:29:00] been asked, do you have CBD?

Like, I mean, I'm sure your clients are thinking it anyways. And so not only is it a great tool to bring into your practice, but it also could be a really great retail product. If you're looking for different avenues of income in 

Julie Alexander: Yes, absolutely. So, It's a helper with your massage is something that helps relax the client 

video1511286137: a 

Julie Alexander: it can help you 

video1511286137: to 

Julie Alexander: sell some retail product. It's fantastic. It's like just our little, our massage helper.

Maggy Toup: It is so great. I love talking about this. This is something I'm like super passionate about. And when I opened my CBD business back in 2020 with my sister in law, that was kind of all I wanted to do was educate people on the power of this plant. And it's, we did. It didn't work out because I ended up just like manufacturing a product.

And I was like, no, I meant to teach and preach this mother plant and like, talk about her wonderful power. [00:30:00] So I'm so excited that we're able to partner up with this. And, I, cannot wait for everybody to start their practice because it is such a great tool for anybody who has a hands on type of practice.

I don't even know if hairstylists are using my grandma, everybody's using CBD.

Julie Alexander: Yeah, Well, and I just, I'm really excited to get the education in the hands of our therapists because I feel like we're all using it or we're all thinking about using it. And whatever hesitation you have about using it or not using it, this is a good chance to come and get some information about why it might be helpful.

You know, it might not be the best for every practice. There's a lot of practices out there that this might not be something that fits your practice, But I do believe that there's a lot of people out there that are already doing this in their massage practice. But don't have the answers that they for their clients.[00:31:00] 

Maggy Toup: Yeah, well, that's the biggest part of massage is like we're here as an expert in the body in right? People are coming to us because they want to understand what's going on. And if we can't explain to them why we're using a product, then we're doing them a disservice. And it's unfortunate. That it's not our fault.

It's just the education hasn't been there yet. And so there's going to be a lot more research and a lot more education coming out, which is really exciting because we want to be able to explain this to our clients. And I've noticed that's where a lot of therapists.

video1511286137: Like stop because they're

Maggy Toup: I don't know if it's effective. I don't know how to explain this.

How do I incorporate Is it safe? You know, all these questions. And so we are here to answer every single one of your questions, 

Julie Alexander: I, you know I agree. And I think that

there's a lot of elusiveness around whole subject around cannabis. And, there's a lot of Yeah. I mean, in Texas it's, it's. [00:32:00] just, it's so hard to like make this education bite size for people to understand. I mean, dosing isn't clear. You know, it's just all kind of like just getting started in our world and it is very exciting, but I think because of, first of all, the lack of education But secondly, the lack of really wanting to go down that rabbit hole like I did with.

video1511286137: Bio

Julie Alexander: freeze, right? I mean, it is kind of a rabbit hole. You have to learn, you have to open your mind to learn about a whole new subject. And this is science you know, the, you know the, words that you were using earlier, that cannabinoid system and all the big words you were using earlier, they're kind of intimidating if you don't know anything about that.

And I can see where massage [00:33:00] therapists and listeners could be like, man, I just, I can't follow this. I'm never going to know it. I don't understand it. So I want to say this. I want to say that Maggie is like, awesome at introducing this subject to people in bite sized chunks. And I really want people to come to this class.

And understand that it doesn't have to be complicated. It can be a simple thing that we, but you know you, do need to come to class to learn about how to simply talk to your clients about the questions the questions that they have about, right?

video1511286137: Absolutely. Yeah.

Maggy Toup: just to put it into perspective, you know, cannabis and the CBD that's been around for centuries. I mean, thousands. Yeah. Exactly. Like, this is one of the oldest plants that we have, like, this has been used in medicinal and ritual practices as long as the earth has been alive. [00:34:00] However, we didn't recognize, like, we didn't study the cannabis and CBD plant until recently.

It wasn't until the late 80s did they even discover that we have an endocannabinoid system, and how is this plant affecting, and why are people using it? So, When it comes to lack of education, it's not necessarily our fault. It's just the research has not been there until now. And so it's a really exciting time to really dive in because all of this research is like, it's so exciting.

People are recognizing, Oh, this is why it works. And this is how it works. And so it does seem really daunting and big because it's new and like. You know, anything new, it's going to take a little bit of that hurdle. But once you get over it, like me, I start using these words. I'm like, Oh, right. I forget people don't talk like this all the time.

Julie Alexander: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

video1511286137: Yeah. I'm

Julie Alexander: really excited about this education and I hope that like it leads people down a more comfortable path of this. Because it has, it's, [00:35:00] it feels like it's been CBD and hemp marijuana and THC and the whole subject

And maybe it's just, it's more Texas than

Maggy Toup: It is.

Julie Alexander: but it feels like it's like taboo to talk about,

you

Maggy Toup: Yeah. But Behind closed doors, people are asking a lot of questions to their therapists. And I think that this is a really great front runner because we are answering those hard questions about We are the, like, they go to us to say, well, what else can I do to live a healthy life?

And, you know we're expected to like have a hold on what's going on. And so this is another thing. we should be able to have those conversations. And if we can lead the massage therapy industry, having the appropriate conversations, like this could, this is huge for the massage therapy 

video1511286137: Totally is. It totally

Julie Alexander: is. So what do you recommend for people who are already using CBD [00:36:00] in their practice? Would you recommend doing like, for instance, I used 1000 milligrams I should put that in the soap 

video1511286137: right?

Maggy Toup: Yes.

Julie Alexander: And then maybe follow up with you in a day or two, like I would normally anyway, and say, how are you feeling? And maybe keep track of that, you know, effectiveness.

Maggy Toup: I think, I mean, good note taking is great always because you always want to be able to refer back to your, what you did and then when your client answered, you know, like, I don't see any progress. Like, well, Cindy, actually, you know, six months when you came in. So I think good notes. That's a great. tip and like anything when you introduce a new modality or hey we tried these new stretches or whatever it is just like that following up hey like how did you feel after that like oh it was great or you know then you know how to adjust it's i think it's hard because it's cannabis Or CBD and growing up in California, we talked about it a [00:37:00] lot for a long time.

And here in Texas, it is a lot more of a taboo topic. And so definitely taking good notes is really and educating our clients. That's another really important one is educating our clients about the efficacy the safety of this plant, as opposed to all of the negative things that we hear might happen.

Julie Alexander: well, you know, you can spend a lot of money on these topicals too. They're expensive, especially when you get into the thousand plus you know, they can hundreds of dollars for one jar, one bottle. I was lucky enough to go to a CBD spa trade and I picked up probably a hundred different And I went home and went through them and tried them all. And I narrowed it down to one or two products that I really like. And I just buy that [00:38:00] use that on a regular. Not everybody will be in that situation to be able to try hundreds of CBD products. I understand that, but maybe.

If you can make it to a CBD store, I would recommend going in, talking to the employees about it. They should know and should be able to answer. Right, Maggie?

questions?

Maggy Toup: Yeah, absolutely. Just get curious about it. And pricing is something to definitely consider when you're incorporating this into your practice. I tend to be like a little bit of a higher ticket massage therapist. And so I include this into my pricing structure. I recognize that I'm going to be buying these supplies anyways, and I put it into These are expense like they can be expensive products. You can use it as an upgrade. I see 10 percent between 10 and 20. I think is a pretty average upgrade option. And so you can [00:39:00] figure out like the ways to work in the price because once you start using it and once you start I'm not even using it, offering it.

You will see that people will be really excited and a lot of them won't even bat an eye at an 10, 15, 20 because they want it 

Julie Alexander: I think it just gives us more, like you said, another tool in your toolbox.

video1511286137: More,

Julie Alexander: Leverage to sell, you know, our services to the client. Cause I mean, it's a helpful tool. It's your massage help helper, and it should make your job a lot 

Maggy Toup: Absolutely. That's what we want, right?

Julie Alexander: Yeah, well, and there's been a couple of clients that I've put the CBD product on that, I, prefer, and they've had an allergic reaction.

So you want to make sure, just like with any product on a client, sure that, you know, what are their allergy situation and what ingredients are [00:40:00] in the product that a problem for them. Spot check it Just to make sure they don't break out.

Because that would be a whole other problem, right? I've just come for it.

Maggy Toup: I also think when considering using CBD on a person is really to gauge them. I've noticed some people, they think I'm trying to like sell it on them, you know? And I say, Oh, this is something I offer if you're interested in. And they're like, Oh, I don't know. Should I? And, you know, and I always tell people, Hey, if you're not a hundred percent comfortable with it, you do not need to add this to your service.

Because the clients that you like, if you're like, no, just try it. I swear. It's going to be great. They're not going to be comfortable with it. So they need to listen to their body and you need to listen to that too. So like, don't use it on people that are not confident or comfortable it. Because yeah, it, I think it just make the massage weird.

You know, like we don't, 

Julie Alexander: Yeah, 

Maggy Toup: here, this is their time, right? Like we want to make sure that they,

Julie Alexander: yeah, you definitely don't want to push your own ideas [00:41:00] on them. But I mean, if you recommend it, you can say, I really recommend using this, you know. But if you're not comfortable with it, we won't use it today.

Maggy Toup: Fine.

I have a question that I get asked a lot. Do you

Julie Alexander: Oh, yes. 

Maggy Toup: Will this show up on a drug test? , the short answer is no. If you're using it topically, which we're using it in this scenario, we're using topical CBD. You're fine. It's going to, it's going to be fine. I would say. Again, there are certain people that work for government or, you know, they're really like, and they don't feel comfortable with it.

Like, even if I say, Hey, the chances, you can't say no, because some tests. set tests for cannabinoids. It doesn't matter if it's CBN, CBG, THC, whatever. They're just like anything that comes from the cannabis plant. We're gonna test for it. It's very rare, but I've heard of it happening. Anything else you're gonna be using topically like the CBD is not gonna come up.

The chances of it coming up on a drug [00:42:00] test are very especially if you're using it topically. Like if you're ingesting a bunch of like Cannabis, like, yeah, it'll probably come up on drug tests, but topically CBD, no, but again, if you even say that, and they're still apprehensive, then just don't use it.

Cause then something's going to happen. And then they're gonna be like, this is your fault. So I say like, it's not going to show up on a drug test, but like anything, like, I don't like, I can't guarantee results, but I'm like, I know physiologically when you put something on Your skin and it's CBD.

It's not going to show up on a 

Julie Alexander: Thank Yes. good 

Maggy Toup: going to show up on a drug test. I can't guarantee those results because the drug, every drug test is different. However, 98 percent of them, you will be fine.

Julie Alexander: Good. Any other, tips or questions that you get from customers about this?

I

can't think of any more. I 

video1511286137: mean,

Maggy Toup: I love it. I want more. Can you put some more? Can I have that to take home?

Julie Alexander: You know [00:43:00] there's, a big stigma against the marijuana in the United 

video1511286137: mm-hmm 

Julie Alexander: and, you know, I think it stemmed from like the the whole, 

Maggy Toup: Seventies 

actually Yeah. 

Julie Alexander: coming in from, you know, Mexico and the drug lords and stuff like that. 

Maggy Toup: I actually found out a really quick, fun tip.

Julie Alexander: yeah 

Maggy Toup: And slinger, who was the guy that created the prohibition right back in the thirties when they took away the alcohol when it was overturned. 36 or 37. Guess what? He started the war on drugs and cannabis. It was headed up by the same guy that created the prohibition.

That didn't work. And he was like, look what else we have cannabis because he was friends with the government. People that are creating plastics and woods and they wanted a piece on like the hemp farming because we used it a lot to create a bunch of other stuff so they wanted hemp off the market so that we can start [00:44:00] Putting more plastics and using wood supplies.

So it was very much a political draw. So it started in the thirties when they started, like, really trying to criminalize this. And then it's carried through the seventies when Nixon came in. And he was and then Reagan, and they did the war on drugs, Cannabis was actually scheduled as a class one, like, it has no medicinal properties, it's super highly toxic, blah, blah, blah.

All of this has been proven, disproven, over and over again, and where does it still sit? It's still a schedule one. So, are changing history right here.

Julie Alexander: Good.

I love it. Thank you for the history lesson.

Maggy Toup: I I, thought that was really interesting, cause, but I'm a nerd with, I love anything that has to do with CBD and Cannabis.

Julie Alexander: Well, I'm appreciative of your nerdness because you're helping spread the information. The truth, right? About this beautiful plant that could help us. ease our pain. And it's just, you [00:45:00] know, why take that away from that power of a we use it in essential oils all the time.

It's a very similar process, right? 

video1511286137: you. Absolutely.

Julie Alexander: Yeah. Then, I mean, We use lavender essential oils you know, all of them.

Maggy Toup: Yes. They're all Fido. They're Fido essences, right? They're something we extract from a plant. CBD is just the same. It's just we have a stigma with the plant that it's taken from. And so it's just up to us to create education and normalize. what people have been doing for centuries back again.

Julie Alexander: Good. I'm glad we talked about that because that was important to me to get that out about its history view of some so yeah, hopefully we can change this. beautiful plant that move forward.

video1511286137: you're [00:46:00] awesome.

You're

Maggy Toup: Oh, you're awesome, Julie. Thank you so much for having me on. 

Julie Alexander: Do you, have anything that you want to add that we didn't talk about?

Maggy Toup: Nothing that I can think of, but like, if there's any part of you that's thinking about. Outputting in like or if you're I call it CBD curious, like hop on the bandwagon, do some research, join the class, like reach out, email us. Like this plant is coming. It's coming, whether we like it or not, you might as well figure out how it works because it is so many benefits and don't be scared of it.

Like there's a lot of rumors about it, but she cool. She's our friend. There's 

Julie Alexander: I love that. I love it is there a place that you would recommend our listeners go to for valid 

video1511286137: There is a lot of websites

Maggy Toup: The CBD project is really great. They have a lot of research behind CBD. There is also Normal California. It's N O [00:47:00] R M L like no a normal California. They do a lot of research. There's a lot, I mean, all of the research are coming out. It's either internationally or probably from like Colorado or California.

So, 

Julie Alexander: Got it. 

Maggy Toup: I would say project CBD, if you're looking for like a basic, like, I just want to learn some information. They have so many great resources, articles, scientifically back studies, and that's what we're looking for. Right.

Julie Alexander: Yeah, awesome. I love it. Well, thank you for your time today. I'm very thankful. And Maggie, you're one of my favorite people in 

Maggy Toup: Oh, same 

Julie Alexander: I'm just so pleased to have in my posse. And so pleased to have you in my on my podcast. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I'm so looking forward to this class. So excited about the products that we're going to be making together.

And, amazing.

Maggy Toup: Thank you, Julie. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you listeners, everybody for having me 

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Thank you so much for [00:48:00] joining me on the handcrafted therapy podcast. I would love to hear from you. You can email us at podcast at handcrafted therapy. com, or you can come by the store. It's at 3303 North central expressway, suite number two 40 in Plano, Texas, seven five zero two three. Or you can connect with me on social Instagram, Facebook, hashtag and practice therapy.

I'm Julie Alexander, and I wish you a very happy and healthy day.