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The Raw Dog Food Truth
Pets with allergies, skin issues gut issues, and behavior issues can live better lives by eating a species-appropriate diet. Find out the dangers of kibble and cooked foods. Your Pet's Health Is Our Business "Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble"
The Raw Dog Food Truth
Inside Librela: Vet Gaslighting, FDA Alerts, And Safer Paths For Pain
What if the path to “optimal health” isn’t another monthly injection, but fixing the food bowl first? We dig into why we refuse to meet clients at kibble, how species-appropriate raw reduces inflammation at the source, and why the most common objections—cost, convenience, and fear—often crumble with honest math and simple workflows. Along the way, we tackle one of the most controversial pain products in pet care: Librela. We unpack the safety narrative, from denominator fallacies that count doses sold instead of dogs treated to FDA alerts raising red flags on neurological events and other risks. When language turns into gaslighting and clinicians doubt their own observations, trust breaks—and pets pay the price.
We go deeper than outrage. Limping is not a diagnosis, and arthritis isn’t the only cause of pain. We walk through better routes: chiropractic assessment, rehab, imaging to confirm what’s actually wrong, and smart use of older, well-characterized medications when necessary. You’ll hear why we avoid brand-new drugs until years of real-world data exist, and how generics get repackaged at triple the cost without delivering better outcomes. We also connect the dots between early spay/neuter, altered biomechanics, and joint issues that show up as “mystery” lameness later in life, plus a pragmatic look at hormone-related incontinence and root-cause fixes.
If you’re ready to trade quick fixes for durable health, you’ll leave with practical steps: building a balanced raw rotation, reducing carb-heavy fillers that drive inflammation, documenting reactions to meds, and advocating without apology. Your notes, your timeline, your instincts—they’re data. Subscribe for more straight talk on raw feeding, pain management, and better vet conversations, share this with a pet parent who needs it, and leave a review to help others find the show. Your dog’s best health starts with you.
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Friends Don't Let Friends Feed Kibble
Oh, snap, snap. Well, hello, raw feeders. I'm Didi Mercer Moffat, CEO of a Raw Dog Food and Company. Where your Pets Health is our business. And we're friends like my friend Dr. Judy J. Sick from Animal Healing Arts. Does not let customers, patients, friends feed kibble. Do you?
SPEAKER_00:No way. Don't even work with them. Had somebody come in and say we work me to feed kibble, but nope, because I can't help your pet be healthy, optimally healthy, not just okay, healthy, but I want them to be optimally healthy. Cannot help a pet achieve optimal health if they're feeding kibble. So don't meet people where they are on the kibble thing.
SPEAKER_04:Do you think that if somebody was a physical um uh therapist, well, or a trainer, let's say a a a physical trainer to help somebody get in shape, what would they say? Yeah, I can help you be your ultimate self. You can continue to eat that cake and those cookies and those voodoo donuts. It's just perfect. Just bring a Snicker bars, Snicker bar to training for extra energy. Yeah, that would be I mean, I guess you could take somebody's money and say, sure, I can help you. What level of help would you like? Would you like just a little bit of help? You know, like maybe subpar um results with subpar revis it. Maybe that's what you should do, Dr. Jason. You have him sign off. Do you want subpar results? If you're feeding kibble, then we're gonna give you subpar results. Yeah, we'll work the subpar.
SPEAKER_00:How long how long would you like to wait before your dog gets cancer? Would you like the six-month plan or the one-year plan? Or would you like them to be healthy for the rest of their life? You want them to get cancer in six months? Yeah, let's feed gets feed kibble. Right? Buy the cheap stuff. Yeah, it gets ridiculous. It gets and you know, the thing is is that the people they don't even have legitimate reasons for not feeding raw. Like we've talked about this, like they say cost, but first of all, people quote these astronomically high prices, like it's gonna cost a thousand dollars a month to feed a dog raw. Well, that's not true. No, and if you look at what they're already feeding, and it's already very high-end product, and you know that the raw is not more expensive, it's probably cheaper. So if they could just be honest, why don't you want to feed raw? Like they got a hang up about it. Is it the convenience or you've heard that it's got bacteria and you're nervous about like whatever it is, you know, like at least be honest with it about it? Because it's I would say cost is not valid for most people. Some people, it might be, but for most people, they could figure it out, rearrange their budget, maybe not go to Starbucks as often. They could figure out a way to afford it if they really, if they really wanted to do it. So I think people are just not honest about the reasons that that they don't want to feed raw. And we've heard it all, you know, we've heard all the silly excuses. You know what, Dr.
SPEAKER_04:Jason? We think we hear it all, and then we hear something, and we're like, well, doggone it. I thought I'd heard it all. It's crazy. That's true. It's okay. Just like this one. Um, so you sent me this information. Uh, remember, guys, we were talking about librella, librella, that drug that your vets want to give uh your pets for arthritis and you know, pains and things like that. Let's don't look at the food that's causing inflammation. Let's just okay, do the drug. But maybe I haven't heard it all. I hadn't really heard that the pharmaceutical companies were now gonna blame the vets. I thought that the vets were their mouthpiece and their salespeople, but now they're gonna blame the vets uh if they're having problems with pets that they have prescribed this pharmaceutical drug to called Librella.
SPEAKER_00:Right. They're saying they're misdiagnosing them, they don't know how to interpret this. It's kind of like gaslighting. You know, like well, we say if we say this and say it enough times, then we'll get enough vets to believe it. Well, they're starting to question themselves. Well, maybe I misinterpreted those symptoms, and maybe you know the client was just exaggerating what was going on, and and then they put this stuff out there that's completely untrue. And then enough vets think, well, maybe I maybe that wasn't right, maybe I should just, you know, keep. I've never actually seen this happen. I've not seen a pharmaceutical company. Usually, when they know you start to get reports of problems, they pull the products. That's what they've always done. But they've made enough money while they're out there that it's a cost of doing business and that they're just just just all right with them. But I've never heard them come back and now try to like gaslight the vets into saying, Oh no, you're interpreting all this wrong. So I thought it was pretty interesting. They're up to some new shenanigans.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I mean, they're saying, well, you overdosed the dog, overdosed them, you overdose the dog. Um, and and the one that I was like, well, how is this the vet's fault? Okay, you and they say one of the things that they're blaming on the vets is this that the numbers, okay, prove that the drug is safe because Zoetis has built its safety narrative on a mathematical illusion. Okay, this is what this report is saying, that the denominator, it's a denominator fallacy. And so what they're doing is they're counting doses sold instead of dogs treated.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:And they're saying that this doesn't measure safety. Um, and they quoted, which I thought was was something that we can all uh understand because of the um movies that have come out about the opioid sales, was they said it's the same cynical calculus that once hid the human toll of the opioid epidemic, right? The higher the sales, the safer it must be. Yeah, right. It is a standard. So they say it's a standard tactic of big pharma, but how is big pharma using that um to blame it on the vets? I don't get it. That's one of the things that they're saying. Zoetis wants you to believe, you know, um, vets, that you misread the clinical signs, you're overreacting. Okay. They're saying you're overreacting, uh, that they're um these dogs aren't really having these problems that they're having.
SPEAKER_00:They're just they're just causing doubt. They're causing doubt in the for the consumer, and I think they're causing doubt for the vets in their own like assessment of what's going on, or you know, well, you know, maybe it was something else, maybe it wasn't the librella. Let's give another shot. You know, so did you oh let's just give another shot and see if it, you know, if it shows up again. So they're just, you know, they're playing with the numbers and they're they're just they're causing doubt. And that's what they did with the whole opioid thing, too. They just tried to, no, that's not really, you know, that's not really what you're seeing, you know, that's there, people aren't really that, you know, addicted. It's just people with with addictive personalities that get addicted to opioids, you know. It's not yeah, right, it's not inherently addictive and stuff like that. They're just playing with the lingo, you know. And and by the way, for people listening, the the um feline counterpart is celential. So it's basically the same drug, but that's what they use in cats. So that's right. I don't think I don't think this article talked about that, but it's probably all the same stuff, and you don't want to use celentia in your cats either.
SPEAKER_04:So let's just talk about this again. Why are vets prescribing celentia and why are they prescribing librella? What it would what is this?
SPEAKER_00:It's supposed to help with it's supposed to help with arthritis. So basically, any animal that comes in limping, and you know, and that's the thing, you know, it's supposed to help with arthritis. So you see a limping animal, arthritis has to be diagnosed with x-rays, right? You can't say an animal has arthritis just because they're limping. Because what if their backs out? You know, you and I both big believers in chiropractic care for pets and people, yeah, and you know, your animal's limping sore. I I go to the chiropractor. I go to the I just went to a new chiropractor today, actually checking out one in my new area here, because I can tell I get stiff and like my back just doesn't seem my neck gets stiff from being on the computer and all that. And I just know like it just needs to be like, you know, loosened up. But if you don't like get that kind of care, if you don't look at what else could be going on, you just say, well, it's just arthritis, and then you just go into the to the vet and they get pain meds. Same with going into a human doctor, they'll just put you on anti-inflammatories or something like that, where it may not even be arthritis, you know, like people could walk with a limp, but it or dog could walk with the limp and it might not even be the leg, it's the back. It's you know, the back hurts, you know, because there can be referred, it can be all these reasons why animals limp, but that's these days they're lazy and they just oh, it's limping. What can I give? They just feel like because they got you know, in the corporate clinics, they got 10 minutes. What can I prescribe to help? Oh, I know I'll just give this injection. I didn't have to count out pills now. All I could do is give this injection. Takes me 30 seconds, and then they got to come back in every month. So I can make money every month on this product. I don't got to count out pills or any of that stuff, or worry about you know, the clients given the wrong dosage. So this is how they sell this stuff to vets. It's just super easy for them to just, oh, pet's limping, give this a shot, and it works. I've definitely heard people say it works, it does help with pain. Um, but then the kidney failure has been really common in dogs. Um increases in lymphoma and just sick. I mean, some dogs have gotten really sick um afterwards. And pet parents, I mean a lot of pet parents have connected the dots. The vets don't, but you know, the pet parents know their dogs, so hopefully they're not going to be gaslit into believing this.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Well, I think you have to have a clinic, Dr. J-Zek, who is willing to not just prescribe pharmaceuticals, right? And that is what you guys do, right? You are a clinic that will not just, if ever, you know, prescribe pharmaceuticals. So that's that's one of the the problems that we see. It's just too easy. Get them in, get them out, like you said. Yeah, but here's the thing that Zoetis um wants everybody to ignore, including maybe even the vets, is that back in December, the FDA identified sharply elevated risk of certain adverse events with Librella compared to other drugs. Um, and some of those events, guys, were seizures, neurological problems, dogs 41 times higher. Then a dog had cases of encephalitis, swelling of the brain, right? Eight times higher. Um, they had um osteosarcomas, five times higher, and even collapsing. So Zoetis dismissed this as not a warning and claimed it contained no new data, that both claims are false, um, and that an FDA safety alert is by definition a warning. And so these risks and the multipliers that I just read you um represent new and alarming safety signals. So Zoetis wants you to also ignore that they had regulatory violations. They were cited twice by the FDA for misbranding Librella, okay, with can you believe this, Dr. Jasick, misleading promotional materials? No way. Can you? I mean, come on, who would do that? I mean, like an MSDS sheet that has nothing on it, where have we seen that? Yeah, right. Where have we seen that before? Right. So the first warning letter concerned um misrepresentations of the clinical trial data. Um, and then they had promotional videos that completely omitted any risk to the animal. And uh they say that's safe and effective, right? Where have we heard that before? Yeah, right, right. So this is this is the this is the pharmaceutical company being reprimanded by the FDA, and I and I do wonder about this. Where in the veterinary world, Dr. JC, do you get the information from the FDA versus the pharmaceutical company? Do you do you hear the FDA information loud and clear? Is that a channel that it that is um listened to by the veterinary um profession or are they are they just listening to the pharmaceutical industry?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know anywhere. Like I've never had, like when I was at a regular clinic where you get the pharmaceutical reps coming all the time and they're selling you the products, um, you don't ever get like a bulletin. You don't get a bulletin from the FDA, unless like the AVMA or something publishes something, but I never see that. Now, if it's they're going after a raw dog food company, you might hear about that because of course that's big news because they got to blast that from the mountaintops. But scrutinizing a pharmaceutical company, no, you don't, you don't, you don't hear about that. They, you know, the vets are just gonna hear, oh no, those those claims. I I bet most vets that give it have never even heard that the FDA that they've been scrutinized by the FDA. They're probably just getting questioned by their clients, and that's what's coming up. The people are starting to see this in their pets. So then they're so now they're coming back and saying, oh no, this has just all been misinterpreted by your you're just you're just imagining it, just imagining it.
SPEAKER_04:Well, in this information, and I will say that this information is coming out of pause over profits, okay, pause over profits, but it also cites that Zoetis suppressed evidence. So instead of reassessing Librella's safety profile in light of this evidence that we're talking about, um, Zoetis targeted the very researchers raising concerns. Oh, where have we heard that before? Targeted the very researchers that were raising concerns, and so the company authored letters, okay, um, targeted to the very receipt uh researchers raising the concerns, and that they demanded the retraction, they demanded the retraction of peer-reviewed critics and issued um dismissive rebuttals meant to discredit independent scientists.
SPEAKER_00:Where have we heard that before? Where is where has that happened before? I never never heard that, you know. Yeah, they'll even murder them. They don't like what they're saying. Oh, and they won't and they won't shut up. Well, let's just take them out. We'll just we'll just knock them off and that'll shut them up.
SPEAKER_04:Right. And then they also had conflict oversight. This is Zoetis, again, the pharmaceutical company. Um, they have their internal safety reviews that are led by its listen to this, own paid consultants. Now, if you are a paid consultant and you know that the company that you're consulting for needs you to say a certain thing, it seems probably and and maybe maybe you'd even get like a little extra if you say a certain thing, versus like, say you say it this way, yeah, we're gonna give you, we're gonna pad your pockets a little more.
SPEAKER_00:Like a new and the lettuce, by the way, is is affiliated with Pfizer, you know, it's like the veterinary branch of Pfizer, you know, the company that put out those safe and effective vaccines for people.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Right. And, you know, in this article, uh, Pause of a Prophets was saying, What why does this matter? Well, it matters for a lot of reasons, but the one that I think that is so important is that, you know, it erodes the trust. It erodes the trust in our health professionals. It erodes the trust. Not that our podcast maybe hasn't helped erode that trust over the years, but I'm just saying, I mean, these are the reasons why we do this, because this kind of information gets what? Suppressed. You get dismissed as a somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about. And yet we see the body of work, right? We see the tens of thousands of pets, right? We listen to our pet parents. We ask, what's going on? What have you injected? What have they been eating? You know, what do you what are you doing? Because there definitely is a pattern for certain things. So it, but here's the other side of the erosion of your professional health people. When something really does need to be looked at by a health professional, Dr. JC, cancer things, you know, maybe pet parents don't act quick enough. Maybe they don't do something. And um, I've certainly seen that in my own life, right? That that maybe certain things get missed, or maybe you don't go to the doctor when you need to, or maybe your pet, I don't know. I just think it's it's just outside of putting dogs in danger, right? Um it's just it's bad all the way around. So I see why pet parents are unnerved and they're nervous and they're agitated and they're anxiety-filled and they're full of fear because who did they turn to?
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. And the one time where we actually see vets, you know, like, you know, maybe noting this and listening to their clients and taking notice that maybe this isn't safe. The pharmaceutical companies are making them look bad, you know, whereas normally they just go on this is so blatantly obvious, I think even the vets are recognizing it. But no, no, you know, we can't have that. But but I think the bottom line is even more reasoning, and we've talked about this a lot. People need to advocate for their own pets. You need to, what's going on? You give this, you get this shot for your dog or your cat, and they get sick afterwards. You know your pet better than anybody else. So don't let the vet talk you out of that. You know, I mean, I've heard this so many times from clients like I just knew in my gut that that medicine was not good for my pet. You have to follow that because you know your pet better than anybody, anybody else. You're you're energetically so tuned in that when you really feel in your gut something's not good for your pet, then you stop it no matter what anybody tells you. You really, you really, really need to listen to that and never give new drugs. I mean, I've done this my whole career, even when I was like young and still doing more conventional stuff. Something brand new came out. I didn't use it. And my patients, so it was at least out for a couple of years. I've heard Dr. Judy Morgan say she doesn't, she never used new drugs, so they're out for five years because they don't test these things. They test it on like, I think we we went over this before with Labrella, they tested on like 30 dogs or something. That's nothing. That's not a test. They're testing it out in the real world. They're your pet is the guinea pig. So you don't want to do that. You want to let these drugs be out there. Use the old standbys. That's why if I feel like I have a patient, say we had a bone cancer, something excruciatingly painful. I'm gonna go back to like, and we got to do a conventional pain. I gotta go back to carprofen. Why? Because that came out 25 years ago. And yes, there can be issues, there can be, you know, stomach issues and liver issues and all that, but it's not causing stuff like you know, symptoms like Labrella is. And I know how it acts in the body, and I know that it can be used safely because I've used it safely. Do I try to avoid conventional, you know, pain painkillers? Absolutely. But sometimes you need to reach for them. And so I'm gonna use the stuff that's been around forever because it's not killing pets, you know. I mean, some pets don't agree with, so then you try something else, but don't do this newfangled stuff. It's insane with the vaccines now. These new and improved vaccines are just new and improved killing your pets faster vaccines.
SPEAKER_04:I was gonna ask you, what what happened with Tremadol in the veterinary space?
SPEAKER_00:You know, that's a really good question because I used it like crazy when I had a practice and like for surgeries and stuff, because I never like to do the um the NSA, the anti-inflammatories after surgery, because inflammation is how incisions heal. So you never want to suppress inflammation, in my opinion, but tramadol would help because it would good soft tissue. Now they give they give out gabapentin like crazy. So somehow there was like some study or something that said the Tramidol doesn't work in docs. Well, I watched it work for 10 years in practice, you know, and it's cheap, it's readily available. I can call in prescriptions even to a human pharmacy. It's easy to get. I mean, it's controlled. So, you know, you have to, you know, if you're stocking it in your clinic, you got to have a control log, but you got to do that for other stuff too. It's not really that big of a deal. And then all the vets started using gabapentin, which doesn't work. We're worth beans, and it makes pets feel weird, like they they act differently. That changes their personality and makes them wobbly. And I have found Tramadol to be one of the safest, most effective pain meds, but I guess they we just can't have that. We can't have we have to, I guess we have to have stuff that doesn't work because then they can sell drugs like Labrella. Maybe that's it.
SPEAKER_04:No, they're just they're just remixing them and calling them something else and adding something to them. But I was thinking about that because um somebody that I know is is has a knee problem right now, right? They think it's bone-on-bone, and she said, I have some Tramadol. And I said, Man, that stuff was so good for the dogs, yeah. So and we don't see it anymore. And and yet they're prescribing it for people, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I now I recommend it all the time for dogs, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I know that the that they were also prescribing Gabopitman for people and then they stopped because it didn't do well. So but but I was like, what happened to the tremodol, man?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there was some some some study, which you know, a lot of studies are just designed consultants, they decide what result exactly okay. This is the result we want. Make the study, create the data to you know, give this result, but I don't really know why, because like GABA Pentin isn't it's not um it's not patented anymore. It's a generic just like Tramadol is. So it's not like you know, the pharmaceutical companies, if they have a patented drug, then you know, they can make a lot more money. So they don't want people selling a generic that's a lot cheaper, but GABA isn't isn't patented. So I don't know why they're why they're pushing it, unless they're maybe they're gonna try to patent it again. I've seen them do this, that too, a couple of times. Um, this uh methemazole, which is it's a treatment for hyperthyroidism in cats. There's um, so they've taken a drug that's been a generic for uh forever, right? As long as I can remember practicing, it's just been available for generic as on the human side too. And then I hear about this drug called filamazole. So they've taken this generic and then they put like a private label on it and made it, you know, pretty packaging and all this stuff, and and charge like three times as much for it. So like they go back the other way now, you know, just to make they did that with DES too, because sometimes if female dogs that are incontinent and because of their spade, usually their spade, so low estrogen, and you give them a little bit of estrogen and it helps with the incontinence, usually just like once or twice a week. Is well, you used to just go to compounding pharmacy and you get this generic estrogen. Well, now they've private labeled it, it's called incurin. It's a drug, and and if I go to like like like one of my medical suppliers, you can't get the generic estrogen anymore. You know, you have to buy the the incurin. So they've arranged it. I think it's Merck. I think Merck private labeled it. So like they go back, I mean they'll just do any any game that's gonna make them money. It's it's sick, they're not concerned about the pets and and the vets, the vets aren't paying attention most cases, they just go along. I am, but right, but you're different.
SPEAKER_04:Uh but but I uh so if I'm gonna go in a different direction. If if somebody has incontinence, let's say an older person has incontinence, could you use the same method and give them a little estrogen and maybe stop that?
SPEAKER_00:Sure, because because it women, you know, get low estrogen. That's why we, you know, we can have like vaginal dryness and things like that is all due to low estrogen. Like some okay, it might be a little too personal, but women use like vaginal, like topical estrogen creams for vaginal dryness and stuff, because it's it's just low estrogen, because when you're you know, postmenopausal, your estrogen levels can drop and yeah, and things get weaker and you know your hormones change post-menopausal. So sure, you could do you could do the same thing.
SPEAKER_04:What what about for men? Men that are so I I just heard about somebody who had uh prostate cancer, so they removed the prostate, but when they did that, um, it caused incontinence. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Could you fix that with uh a hormone? You know, I don't know if that could be fixed with a hormone, um, because I've heard that that's a side effect of that surgery, so it might be like because of the physical trauma in the area, um, but it might also be the other drugs they're on because they do hormone therapies. You know, there's a there's a theory, and my one of my brother-in-laws um was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and they put him on this hormone therapy that actually put him like into menopause, like he had like hot drive his testosterone down. So they do hormone therapy to actually drive the testosterone down, I think is the theory. And he was miserable. He was having like hot flashes and stuff. Oh my gosh. Was he sitting on the couch crying, eating bonbons? Yeah, I don't know. If he was, he did not devolve to that. But he said it was miserable, so it was very miserable. So it could be trauma from the surgery, but it could be other stuff that they're doing. If they're if they're doing the surgery, they're probably doing other medications. And I know they do a lot of hormonal like manipulation to treat that. So, but bottom line is could it be hormonal? Sure, because it this in dogs, it occurs in mostly in spate female dogs. And we know if we give them estrogen, then that helps. So, I mean, why not address the root, the, you know, the root cause? I I've seen, I've got some Chinese herbal blends I've used that help some, but if the hormones are low enough, you know, you kind of if you don't replace the hormones, you know, it you're not going to be very effective. And let's face it, you know, lots of people have the dog sleeping in their bed and you wake up and dog's all or your bed's all wet with dog pee. It's not very pleasant.
SPEAKER_04:No, that that does not sound like a good morning to me.
SPEAKER_00:You're full mattress saturated, you know, got 80-pound dog sleeping in your bed, and it's like right morning. Good morning.
SPEAKER_04:I just pissed the bed away. And we're talking about the dog, not the guys. Okay. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_03:We kind of crossed topics there, but you know.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I think that there's a lot of things that are happening that are just ridiculous, Dr. Jasic. One, and we'll talk about this on a later podcast, but it's like, all right, you you spay and you neuter the puppy. Way too early, and then you take all the hormones away, and they're there for a reason, and then their legs keep growing and they're way too tall. And now you're throwing their back out and you're causing hip dysplasia and you're doing all sides of wick wacky stuff. And it's like, I just um I do think that people probably listen to us that listen to this podcast, but I can't tell you how many people I've talked to, and they'll talk to me about their dogs, and I'm like, Well, have you you know considered this? And don't I remember talking to this couple, and they were telling me their dog just had arthritis and everything. Now, look, they're feeding crap, okay? They're feeding donuts every day, but now they're on Librella, and the dogs uh I remember the dog was having these issues, and I was trying to tell them, and they look at me like, who the hell are you? Yeah, right. Where's where's your white coat? Yeah, give me what who are you? And I'm just I'm nobody, I'm nobody, I'm a conspiracy theorist, and I'm just throwing this out there to make your life miserable. I'm just like, okay, I yeah. So I've gotten I've gotten a little bit older and wiser, which means okay, I'm gonna mention it and then I'm gonna drop it. Back in the day, I used to really fight, fight to get the point across, fight because I am still so concerned about the dogs, but I can't get to the dogs if I can't get through to the pet parents, right? So um, yeah, I I just I I'm not sure. Again, that's my question that I always have. How do we crack open like like that back at the top of the podcast? We were talking about somebody said, Can you work with me if I feed kibble? Right. And you're like, uh, what kind of results? We get okay, subpar results, sure. Yeah, you're gonna do the cancer in how how long before you wanted the cancer to appear? Right, right. Can you imagine, Dr. Jason? What somebody would say, would you you should have a box? Let's see. I am okay if cancer appears in three months, uh, six months, or two years.
SPEAKER_03:Which which option here? And you know, the cheapest is the three months because just keep doing what you're doing. Great, don't change anything. Yeah, we'll see you. We'll see you in uh three months. Okay, bye. We'll be treating.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I had a client yesterday that and and the call was like it was it's like the whole 45-minute call was like an argument, and then I was trying not to be argumentative, but she just she pushed back on everything I said. She did not want to change the dog's diet. She had talked to four veterinary nutritionists, and you know what that means. The diet was like half potato, half sweet potato. And so the dog had all these GI issues and all this stuff, and the dog was on like 10 supplements. So I said, Well, we've got to get your dogs, and I kept saying this, you've got to get your dog's nutrition balance, and you got to back off on the supplements. Well, but this supplement's for this, this supplement's this, and like so. I kept saying, Well, so how's that working for you? Because you made this appointment with me because this is all working out great, right? You know, and and she just kept arguing. She's like, Well, I can't cut back on the food because my dog needs the calories, it's already losing weight. Well, I'm not saying we stop feeding your dog, like we feed less potato, and then we add in something else that's that's better, you know. Like protein, yeah. Well, I've you know, I've I've listened to Karen Becker. Yeah. Oh, okay. And and these supplements are recommended by Judy Morgan. I'm like, okay, and you're talking to me because this is working out so well for you, right? You know, so everything I said, like she just shut it down. Finally, I just said, look, I've been doing this for almost 40 years. This is what I'd recommend for your dog. Do with that information what you want. I don't care. Like, listen to me, don't listen to me. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you, you know. Like, like she just wanted to keep pushing back. And I said, I, you know, I'm trying to help your dog. This is what I would recommend. And the dog was on pepsid. So I said, dog's not digesting his food because it's got it's got you know acid reflux. Yeah, it's got acid reflux because all the supplements. Well, I it has to be on the supplements because you know, just kept going, you know, this circular conversation. So I gave her two action steps, you know, back off on the sweet potato, and she was feeding like honest kitchen or something that wasn't very good. But I'm like, okay, well, this is back off on the on the sweet potato, and let's increase the honest kitchen as first step. And and then we start to back off on the supplements. So I said you back off on all the supplements, except I think it was on like adored beast, one of their gut supplements. I said you could stay on that at heart issues on co-cutum. So you can stay on those two, stop everything else, everything else, everything else. I would do those two things. What if it doesn't work? Well, then we'll just well then keep doing what you're doing. But why'd you pay me for consult? You know, it's like, what do you do? You can't, like you said, you just I was exhausted getting off that call, but I you know, I I'm probably never hear from her again. I kind of hope I don't.
SPEAKER_04:I had a guy, uh, a neighbor who um was doing a garage sale, and you know, I just gotta turn in there, I gotta see what you got. I love garage sales, and um, so anyway, uh I'm in the big truck and it says raw dog food, right? And so people always ask me about it, and um big truck, it's not the delivery truck, guys. It's my it's you know, the personal uh truck that's wrapped. And um he said, Well, I'll tell you what I feed. I feed spaghetti, and I put a little chicken and I put some carrots in there with it, and they he just gobbles it down. And my vet said, That is a perfect diet. And I said, Well, you you're your vet's insane. I literally said that. I said, Your vet's insane. What did I say? He was like, Well, I'm I I said, I said, that is a whole lot of sugar, a whole lot of carbs. I don't know any wild animal that eats spaghetti. Yeah. But his vet said that was a great diet. I just was like, you know, and I thought, I thought, Dee Dee, come on, you should you should practice your elevator speech a little bit better than saying your vet's insane. Maybe that was a little harsh. You know, I just said, I should have just said, well, wow. So your vet advocates that see, this is why didn't I say this, Dr. JC? Wow, so your vet advocates for loads and loads of sugar for your dog, right? See that that would have been a better thing to say. Because then they don't get defensive. Like I say, your vet's insane, right? You bet you bet, you know, and they're like, ah, this is you know, you're you're a kooky, you're a kooky person.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, yeah. It's always easier to think of those great zingers after the fact. In the moment, it's it's hard because you're just reactive because you're like, you gotta be getting, but the you know, the thing is we care about the animals, right? Like, yeah, like you know how bad that is for the dog and what harm it's doing to the dog's body. So it's like it is insane to be feeding that, but what do you say to get people to see it differently? I don't know if their vet's condoning it, because a lot of people, I think, you know, they want to keep doing what they're doing, and so if they can find somebody that'll say, Yeah, that if it's a friend on Facebook, oh yeah, that's a great diet for oh, okay, then let me pat myself on the back. I've done a good job. They just want somebody to say it's it's okay. And you know, when people come in to see me and I don't tell them that what they're doing is okay, then they don't like that. They don't like that because like I paid you a bunch of money to tell me that what I'm doing is right.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that that that is the other question, though, Dr. Jasig, that I think you need to incorporate on your intake form. And the question is, what answer would you like to walk away with today? Right.
SPEAKER_00:Different cost, maybe different price points for that, right?
SPEAKER_04:Right. Because the thing about it is, Dr. Jasik, if they want to pay you a lot of money to give you the answer that they want to walk away with, I think that's a great business model. I'm pretty sure that that's called marketing 101. That's what your private equity firms do. They're like, what are people asking and what do people want? Great, let's make that product and we're gonna sell a buttload of it. Now, it doesn't mean that it's gonna be healthy for people or pets, but we're gonna do it anyway.
SPEAKER_00:You know, that's that's a great, that's actually that's a great question to just put on our intake, just to see how people answer it. Because you know, we have all the questions. What are the symptoms? What do you know, you know, blah, blah, blah. When is your pet less vaccinated? When is it spayed and neutered? How old's all that stuff? But put back, what answer are you looking for today? Yeah. And just see what people say. Yeah, it'd be really interesting. It'd be a very interesting um psychology experiment.
SPEAKER_04:Right, right. I I think actually, on our consultation form, I think that we have something sort of like that. I mean, what is it that you really want to walk away with today? Something like that, you know.
SPEAKER_00:And if they say we want to know what kibble to feed, then you're like, Well, here's here's somebody else.
SPEAKER_04:I'd say, well, that consultation isn't free. That one is gonna cost you. That's right. All right, everybody will listen.
SPEAKER_00:People are funny. I think we're getting punchy.
SPEAKER_04:They are funny, they are funny. People are funny. We love people, we love you people, we love you. We love your pets too. We really do love your pets. And you know what? There is not a time, Dr. J-Z, that I I have Lousie with me. I don't get so many compliments on her, her demeanor, her um skin, just everything. And you know, I used to say, Well, she's a raw-fed dog, and then people were like, Okay, never mind, I take that back, you know. But I just say thank you now. I I don't, unless they specifically they ask what do you feed her, then you can say, Yeah, yeah. Nobody ever asked me that though. Nobody ever asked, what do you feed your dog?
SPEAKER_00:Right, because they don't they don't affiliate it with that, they just figure she's probably on apaquil or something that's keeping her keeping her from itching, so it's keeping her skin look good.
SPEAKER_04:Look, I think I could say I feed my dog spaghetti and get a better response than I feed my dog raw. People be like, Really? Yeah, I guess they're like, You mean raw? Like you cook it? No, raw, it's raw. Okay, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox, but anyway, it's not cooked. No, it's not, no, it is not. Um, all right, everybody, listen, you can work with Dr. Jasick, it's super easy, and um, don't tell her that you know about the secret question on the intake board. Okay, um, uh, but you can work with her at ah vet.com, ah vet.com or animal healing arts is the full name. Okay, Animal Healing Arts. And you can get your dog on a true species appropriate. That means the diet, those little teeth and those digestive systems were created to eat. That's called raw. Nope, nope, nope, no cooking, no spaghetti, none of that stuff. It's just pure raw beef, chicken, duck, turkey, organs, bone, naturally occurring fat. That's all you need. Rotate it around. Super easy. And if you need some help, by golly, we got Brian sitting right there waiting for you. He's gonna get you on a the best diet for your dog, and you're gonna love it, and they're gonna love it too. So get over to raw dogandcompany.com. Where your pet's health is our business and what, Dr. Jasek? Friends don't let friends feed kibble, y'all. That's right.
SPEAKER_03:We'll see you soon, everybody. Bye bye. Oh, snaps!
SPEAKER_02:Find out how you can start your dog on the road to health and longevity. Go to rawdogfoodandcompany.com where friends don't let friends feed kibble, and where your pet's health is our business.
