Nicole Roth: Finding God’s Love After Tragedy, Shame, and Perfectionism (Part 2/2) | 013

Nicole Roth: Finding God’s Love After Tragedy, Shame & Perfectionism — Part 2 (Ep. 013)

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There are two voices inside every perfectionist: the lie that says you’ll never be enough — and the truth that God’s grace covers it all. In Part 2 of our conversation with joy coach Nicole Roth, we move from story to strategy: Nicole teaches the Joy Quotient, a simple, visual “equation” you can use in the moment to replace shame with truth, move from victim to victor, and reclaim daily joy.

Nicole opens up about wrestling with shame, how a tragic past led to breakthrough, and how practical spiritual tools (and God’s kindness) make real change possible. If you’ve ever felt stuck by perfectionism, this episode gives hope, a how-to, and resources to share with women you love.

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Nicole Roth: Finding God's Love After Tragedy, Shame and Perfectionism - Part 2/2 | 013

Nicole's website:  https://nicoleroth.com/

​Leneé Pezzano: There are two voices speaking to you every day. The lie that says you will never be enough. And the truth that says God's grace covers it all. Which one wins depends on what you do in the moment. That's why today's episode of the Redeemed Perfectionist is so important.

Today you get to learn the math of joy. Yes, imagine if you could access joy by applying a formula to any situation. I don't know about you, but I always wanna know how to do something to fix a bad situation. Well, today my friend, is that day for you!

All right. Nicole Roth is back in the house. Welcome. Welcome. Part two, the Redeemed Perfectionist. 

[00:01:00] Oh, Nicole. Even in just the few days since we last talked, your life is blowing up in such a good way. Such a good way. I can't wait. It's amazing. Oh my word, Lord Jesus. Yes. It's so. That's right. So exciting.

That's right. He has given seed to the sower girlfriend. So yes. Thank, so for those who are just listening, this is Nicole Roth. She is a joy coach. She really helps women discover joy, get their joy back through a revelation of grace. Mm-hmm. Uh, if you haven't yet listened to it, be sure to go back to last week's episode.

Mm-hmm. And Nicole, that's when we really talked about your journey and where it all began. Right. So everything from the rejection you experienced as a child to the tragic, uh, loss of your father through suicide. Mm-hmm. And, and how God really just brought it all to a head, which. You know, some would look at that and say it was a breakdown, but for you, it was your greatest breakthrough.

Absolutely. When you began to really get revelation of what true 

[00:02:00] grace is. Mm-hmm. Of, starting to get free from perfectionism and performance and pressure mm-hmm. And the hustle culture both in the world and within the church. Right. Absolutely. And so, absolutely. and so you've been on a mission to mm-hmm.

Spread the gospel. Mm-hmm. Of grace. and we got, we started to get into shame being the root of it all. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so today what I'm excited about now is to take it to part two where we start getting into how this revelation has translated into practical application and what that means for our listeners.

So yes, with that said, what's been going on in your world, girlfriend? Well, I just published the book, so Joy Quotient: Raise your Joy to the Power of Grace. It came out yesterday and already I am absolutely blown away by the reviews. I'm, I'm just, I had to take a nap. I'm like, goodness of God. Too much at, 

[00:03:00] I have to go take a nap.

Amen. Um, but it's, it's just so exciting. I had one of the ones that came in just personally through Messenger, a younger mom. And this is my passion. I'm, I'm gonna be 51 this year. I really want younger women to get this, like in their twenties, in their teens. Why are we waiting until we're 50 and 60?

Understanding who we are in the Lord and how he's made us beautifully. And you know, to be authentic to who we are. No, let's start way earlier and to raise our children that way. Anyhow. So the sweet mama, she sent me a message and was just saying how, uh, well, for one, she wanted permission to share. I was like, girl, share.

Yes. This is the whole point. You know, share what, what's what God is doing here? But she said she had had a, a difficulty with her children, hadn't taken a nap, and she was, uh, she hadn't then eaten lunch and you know, everything just got discombobulated and went 

[00:04:00] sideways and she was feeling kind of a mess.

And so her little 3-year-old daughter was asking her mom, are you frustrated? A And she said, yes, honey. And so they had this amazing conversation and then she, you know, she went and got food and she got. Be back to feeling herself. But she said, Nicole, having this process of the joy quotient, she said she would've gone normally into this shame storm of beating herself up and I didn't get enough done and look at my days, whatever.

And she said I was able to get into a place of grace and you know, and just be okay with being in the this messy moment with her daughter like. Sucks. So that's what it's all about. Like in the moment, catching ourselves going, no, this fruit is going to lead to destruction. Yeah, this is going to lead to shame.

This is going to lead to hurting my body, hating myself, whatever it is, and it's just not 

[00:05:00] worth it. So the awareness that we can have. Yeah. Yeah. With this very practical tool. Um, and just to build on what we talked about last week, this is a tool to help us to go to the throne of Grace and to make exchanges of lies for truth.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. And, and that's the thing like, um, obviously. We have to first be aware. Right? And so that's where, uh, the book, the Joy Quotient, has been super helpful to just really lay it out and put a name to all of this unhealthy, these unhealthy symptoms that we know are unhealthy. Yeah. But we've never really known what is it, the root.

And that's when I first met you, like I said. Mm-hmm. It's you who helped me put language. Mm-hmm. And articulate that, oh, this is called shame. Yes. This is what is at the root of it all. Mm-hmm. And I see it now. Yes. But then the next step is, but how like we're always like, what do we how? I don't know what.

Yeah. Yeah. And this is truly one of the most 

[00:06:00] practical tools I've ever seen to. To help me with the how so, you know. Mm-hmm. It started with awareness then. Mm-hmm. Had, do I have to engage my will? We just have to make the choice. There's that. Absolutely. But then I can sit down and I did, I literally used it last weekend.

Mm-hmm. And I was in a situation and I was like, let me sit down and get out of my head and get onto paper. Yes. And let me just go through the step-by-step joy quotient. And within seconds I was back in a place of truth. Come on my, it's like my eyes and my brain. See it somewhere other than in that stuck place in my head, absolutely spinning.

Just visually seeing ick, this is where this thought is leading me. No, I'm not going there. Yeah. And to, and to take it apart in a few seconds and to be able to go, oh my gosh, yes. When my eyes see it, it does something.

It, it operates a different part of my brain and I process it differently. Mm-hmm. And I'm able to flip the switch into truth Yes. And replace the lie with truth. and then. 

[00:07:00] As we practice this, that is the process of being transformed by the renewing of our mind. Yes, exactly. And you know, this is just another tool that Yes, absolutely.

As we learn how to use it, we mm-hmm. We will get to a point where, you know what? I don't even have a piece of paper, but I don't need one because is this Yes, we're going through it. I know the formula. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's so great. I can't remember if we talked about, I think it was when you were.

On a trip in Utah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And you were like getting a download. So for the new listener who's like, what, what are they even talking about? What is the joy quotient? Yeah. Maybe dive into that again for us. Yeah. So I'll just give some backstory. Uh, because everything that the Lord downloads, pretty much it comes through a place of pain.

You know, some sort of struggle personally. It's not just joy is not rainbows and unicorns. It's, there's, there's struggle. And that's where the Lord, he meets us and midst of that struggle. And so this was no different, but my daughter, two of my daughters, two of my three daughters were on a, a hiking, epic hiking adventure.

[00:08:00] It's Zion National Park and we, um. My youngest and I got into a little tiff at the, at the hotel, and she basically said, in the heat of the moment, this is why we don't tell you everything that we have…I have amazing relationships with all three of my daughters. They, they share for sure, but that statement just cut like a knife.

And so that's right. She said that, um, we don't tell you everything because you'll just judge us. And I was like, oh. So anyhow, I left. To the room. I went into the bathroom of this hotel and got into the bathtub, and I was in the pit. I was in the pity pit. You know, poor me. I'm a terrible mother. And so within five minutes, I'm not only.

The worst mother on the planet, they should have other, another mother. I mean, it's like five minutes. I don't know if this is anybody else, but I call it a shame storm. And so it can go dark really quickly. 

[00:09:00] And so anyhow, so I'm like, Nicole, stop it. You teach this stuff, like get yourself out of this. And so I did.

And so I started speaking to the Lord and he was so gracious. I've been learning that my behavior is separate from my identity in him. Come on. And so that's a word we can be. So, uh, we need that for ourselves. We need it for other people. I mean, he's so good at being able to see us through the lens of Jesus death buried resurrection for one, but yes.

Um, to not identify us with our behavior. And so, yes. That is an outworking, that's a fruit, but it's not who we are. And so I said, Father, I need, I need a reminder. I need to fill up here. I need you to tell me who I am and you. And so he was just pouring his love on me. And so I'm journaling. I am chosen. I'm beloved.

I'm. You know, and we, I agreed with him about this judgment, yuck. You know, like, yeah, I don't, I don't want that in my 

[00:10:00] life. And so I agreed. I confessed, I repented all the things, but then I received his grace, basically. Yes, I received his love. And so I was writing all about that. I got outta the bathtub. I was like.

We're good. We made things right, went on with the trip. Nothing would've, you know, and in the past that could have completely side swiped the whole trip. I would've been in this funk. I would've been, you know, poor me, I'm such this worm, whatever it was. Self-hatred. Self-rejection. And so the thank God, God, his person, not that I don't still get tempted, but you know now.

Yeah. So anyhow, so that was great. So then, then a couple days later, I'm hiking and the Lord starts showing me this visual picture of just basically what just happened. And it's basically a mathematical formula for joy, the joyless life that that shame storm place, that lie listening to the pit of hell or our own thoughts.

Honestly, we can be just as nasty as women. But then 

[00:11:00] God's saying, daughter, that's not what I say about you. This is who I, you know, this is what I say about you. This, you are my beloved. You are my, um, you know, and not that he overlooks it or that doesn't matter, you know, like, not at all, not none of that.

It's the opposite. It's when we really understand Grace, we want to. Be holy. We want to be holy as he is. Holy. I don't want to sin. This is, you know, it's not a cheap grace message of, oh, we'll just do whatever you want. No, absolutely not. So anyhow, but that place, it racks us with his love. Yeah. I mean, it's like his kindness misleads us to repentance.

It does, and here's the thing that was so powerful for me, right. Uh, I call myself the redeemed perfectionist for a reason, uh, because I, I was a perfectionist, but I've been redeemed. But as a perfectionist, we are so performance and so religious, rule-based. Mm-hmm. That. You know, while the scripture may 

[00:12:00] say, approach the throne of grace with confidence.

Mm-hmm. I'm too busy living in fear of punishment. Right. Exactly. You think I'm Exactly. You think I feel worthy or acceptable to approach God's throne of grace? No way. Right. Yeah. You know, and, and I wasn't conscious of calling it shame. I didn't understand what was blocking me from going to him. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And so when I can sit and do this little equation that sets my heart free. Mm-hmm. Oh my word. Yeah. I run to his throne. Yes, that's right. I run to his throne. Yes. And I can receive the grace. Absolutely. Um, oh, I love it so much. Yeah. So what. Are you able to give us a glimpse of what an example might look like of the process?

Yeah, sure thing. Yeah, so essentially, so it's all got, it's very visual. It's got, so you have to use your imagination with us now. Um, and I do have a sample, you know, anyhow, there's, there's lots of ways you can go and look at this. There's samples on my website. It's nicole roth.com. I've got the 

[00:13:00] first, um, introduction to the book. You can go check it out and just. You know, see this in, uh, in action, but essentially it all starts with this little, and they're all symbols. It's a snake. So I have to apologize. My daughter has a snake, but sorry honey. You know, it's okay. It represents. Uh, so the s's the sins, sin, patterns, snares, situations, struggles, sicknesses, anything that comes against us.

So like my situation with my daughter. So there's this thing and there's, there's generally truth. There was truth there. You know, there's, there's a, a bit of evidence that the enemy will provide, and so that's what makes it really tricky. So we've got this thing. Well, then there's, uh, the condemnation that comes in the midst of that.

You are whatever, you're a horrible mother, you're a failure, whatever, you're not a safe, uh, person for your daughters to come to. And so then we internalize that I am. Blank. I am 

[00:14:00] a failure as a mom. I am a horrible woman, whatever it is. And so then we, we own, we start to own that, even though we don't realize this is all, this all happens in split second moments.

Yes, yes. And even subconsciously. So, so that's the, um, that's inside the brackets basically of this equation. And so then we've got raised to the power of, and remember back in math class, you got the little brackets and then you got the number that goes on the up of the, you know, at the top there outside the brackets.

That raises that whatever inside of there to a greater degree, right? Yeah. So instead of good stuff, it's pain. It's shame. Yeah. It's fear. It's all this junk. 'cause now we don't not, you know, now we're not just believing I am. Fill in the blank, whatever that is. Then all the other thoughts come. Yeah. You're really never getting, you're never really getting this.

You should, this is a huge one. Yeah. Anywhere you hear should, there's shame. You should be farther along. Nicole, you teach this stuff. How embarrassing. 

[00:15:00] Yeah. I mean, I mean, just heaped on Yeah. Whatever those thoughts are. You've, no, you've made no progress. See, you've made no progress whatsoever. Yeah. What a, what a hypocrite.

Whatever. It's, yep. Yep. So there's that. So that's the equation part. Then there's a little plus sign, and then we've got feelings. And those feelings. What are those, Nicole? What are those? We, women don't have feelings. I know. I know. So then it's, you know, hopelessness, despair, isolation, loneliness, whatever it is that we feel.

And then there's another plus sign. Then we take action. And so it is those places of self-protection and we've gotta run away. We've gotta hide, especially from God because. Who would ever want us in this horrible, awful state? Yeah. Um, this is what the enemy's telling us. Okay. And so then we've got all of that.

Then the equals is our result in that area of our lives, we've got our result. So, 

[00:16:00] uh, so that would be the joyless option, of course. And we see it played out. A lot, especially if we have not resolved, um, trauma from our childhood or things, wounds and, you know, words that, um, that wound have wounded us and that we believe as a result of, you know, other people speaking lies over us, the enemy, whatever ourselves.

So anyhow, but the good news is we go back to the beginning of this equation and we have that same situation. That doesn't change. That's the same exact thing. But now, instead of believing that lie, we take that accusation and we go, God, what do you say about me? What do you say about this situation? And we use his word and we replace it with, I am, fill in the blank.

What does he say about you? And, and another equally as important thing is I Who does he say that you are not? You know, for me it's been years of, um, struggling with being late, and so I just 

[00:17:00] felt like I am a late person and I'm like, God never said, that's my behavior that I don't like, and he doesn't like it either, but that's not what he has called me to.

So for me in that scenario is I am not a late mm-hmm. Person. Mm-hmm. This is mm-hmm. This is my behavior, but we're having redemption here because this is mm-hmm. It's not the end of the story. So anyhow, so that's just another example, but we get to replace that with the truth, and then instead of that shame and pain and fear multiplication.

We have the Grace and Mercy multiplier. So this is, yes, we've got that truth. And now we go, what are the other thoughts that come as a result of that? What else does he say about us? And so we ride all of that out and then we have new feelings that come. We have hope, we have encouragement, we feel empowered.

Um, the other place of that first one I shared was all about being a victim. It's all about, yeah. Um, there's no hope. There is absolutely no hope for change. There's no hope for redemption. 

[00:18:00] And here there's hope, there is, there's, um, you know, uh, yeah, there's opportunity for growth. We take full responsibility of whatever the thing is, especially if it is a sin pattern.

Lord. I agree. I don't like this. I hate this as much as you do, but I don't hate myself. That's the difference. Amen. Amen. And I'm not a failure. Yeah. So then the whole rest of the cycle spins in a totally different way and we have a different result and we are victors rather than victims. And then it equals joyful.

You're full of joy. That's right. Uh, you know, I forget who. I heard this from recently, but you know, you, we, on the last episode we talked about when, uh, shame entered the world, it was Winston entered the world. Mm-hmm. That's the first time men knew they were naked before God. Mm-hmm. But you know, I think it's common for us to think that we're broke, born, broken people who need fixed, and I 

[00:19:00] recently heard that we were meant to be whole.

And then sin entered the world. Mm-hmm. And God is now redeeming us and making us whole again. Yes. He's restoring the land, he's restoring us back to who he created us to. Absolutely. Which is a whole different way of looking at it. Mm-hmm. And it's like, so if I were gonna use an I Am statement mm-hmm. I am whole in Jesus.

Mm-hmm. Yes. I am a child of the King. Yes, I am. And when you, when you empty out the, the trauma, the memories mm-hmm. The subconscious, all the things, and you use these tools and you call it for what it is, and you see it for what it is, and you shift you yourself into the truth. His light fills you up and you're Absolutely, you're reconnected to 'em.

Yes. And, and you can just. Man, the, the, and that's power. I tell people all the time, this is part of what I wanna do. Mm-hmm. I did it in my book. I wanna do it in this podcast. Mm-hmm. Grace is not. Forgiveness. Grace is not, 

[00:20:00] oh, you know, you're forgiven for everything. We, we can screw grace and mercy up a lot and use them synonymously.

Grace is him doing for us what we can't do for ourselves. It's a power. It's an energy. That's why he says empowerment. Yeah. Own of grace. Mm-hmm. It's his, it's a, it's a power that mm-hmm. Because of what he's already done for us. We get to, to tap into that. Like an IV being injected in us. Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

And, and we can, it empowers us to do what we couldn't have done without it. So, that's right. Yeah. Uh, not to be mistaken with, um, unlimited forgiveness is what I'm trying to say, so, no, that's good. The, the thing that he also showed me on that hike was something called, he called. Called it the joy gap. So basically if we think back through that joyless equation, down in the pit, down in the dumps, then we've got, so that's down in the bottom.

Um, and think about another, I'm sorry we're not on the visual, but think about a little graph. So at the top of that graph. So that's the bottom, you know, living in the pit, living in the 

[00:21:00] dumps, um, at the top is what he said. This is the truth about you. And so the difference between that low place. And this place up here that he says, the difference between those things is grace.

Is grace. Like, there's no way. I don't deserve it. I don't, I I can't earn it. I can't do any of this on my own. But God, you give the empowerment, you give the grace to be able to live up here because this is what you say is true about me. And that that experience is joy. Yes. That's what, that's where this joy comes because it's.

Uh, and I love this quote by Louis Giglio. He says, gratitude is rooted in no joy, is gratitude rooted in grace, regardless of the circumstance, or something close to that. Uh, but it's, it's not unicorns and rainbows and fluffy. It's, this is deep. It's, it has to do with suffering. It has to do with overcoming in the midst of Yep.

Very difficult things. 

[00:22:00] Yeah. And things, things in our nature have to die. I mean, grace costs, it costs our Jesus his life. It will cost us no less. But like we said before, resurrection is on the other side of it. Mm-hmm. That's what's amazing. That's what's amazing. Mm-hmm. So where do we go from here? So, um, by the time our listeners are listening to this mm-hmm.

both your book and I believe your work. It'll be a workbook. Yeah. And the print version will be available. Yeah. So I'm so excited because this book, it's very unique. I didn't. I didn't set out to write this, actually. I was writing a workbook. Yeah. I only wrote a workbook. And then Shea Bynes, she wrote the foreword for this book, but she was writing it for the workbook originally.

And she said, Nicole, I feel like there's another book before this. And I was like, I think so too. And so then I went off and you know, and wrote this book, but it's actually a story. It turned into a. Story. And so it's 

[00:23:00] so fun. It follows, uh, not only all this teaching and you know, these different practical tools, but it follows five women, fictitious women, but they're real.

They're, they're us. Yep. Um, the lies. And I'm hearing women say, oh my gosh, I could see myself in every single woman, and they're representing the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, and sixties, and the lies that we may believe and then the truth about ourselves. And so that's been really, that was so fun to write.

I, I didn't know where Holy Spirit was gonna lead. I'm like, what's gonna happen next? This is so fun. Like, what's the breakthrough? And then, yeah. So just, and as a joy coach. I interject my own, you know, like what? Yay, girl, you got the, you know? And so I had so much fun. Absolutely hyping these women up because that's.

That's who I am. I want to see women set free just like I have been. And know, again, like we talked about in the beginning, knowing who they are, being authentic, not being afraid, not 

[00:24:00] having to dim your light or, you know, hide yourself under a bushel. Like be you, be the whatever. Crazy. Adventure, some playful, weird, whatever.

It's like, be full of you. We wanna know you. Yeah. Be the version of you you are today and let him worry about revealing the, the, the tomorrow version of you. Mm-hmm. Right. Like, uh, 'cause who we are today is not who we were a year ago and not who we were five years ago. Tell us a little bit about how your daughter's been impacted by this.

Oh my gosh. Oh my word. I'm so grateful. So all the time we have conversations, especially my youngest, she's 17, she's in high school, and she's like, mom, my friend. You know, like, there's so much shame. And she'll, she'll call it out in them now. You know, they'll, I'm so grateful for her friends. 'cause she's like, girl, uh, no.

Like, you're not gonna, Hmm, no. But, uh, or if they 

[00:25:00] start, you know, going down this, oh, I need a boyfriend, or, oh, I need this, you know, she's like, uh, no, you are fully, you know, you are a whole woman in Christ. You do not need that to be whole. No. Anyhow, so we have this most amazing conversations and so she'll call her friends out.

We'll, we'll talk about this stuff. And honestly, I'm so grateful for her. I was. Ready to be on Tim Ross's podcast back in May. We booked it in February, all the way till May. So I had all that time to be like thinking about it and getting all worked up about it. And so it finally came close to the time, and I, I was like this smidgen close to emailing them and said, I can't do this.

The spiritual warfare was so intense. Talk about shame storm. I've never experienced anything like that. And so my daughter, we went for a walk and she was like, mom, this is ridiculous. You, you know, God opened this door for you. You need to 

[00:26:00] walk through it. Like, come on.

I'm so grateful. Yes. Im so grateful. So thank God that she has that and, and all three of them have definitely benefited from these conversations, but she's the one that's taken it to heart the most. But it's just been so amazing to see her freedom and then she gets to start there, you know, not. Yes. 30 years from now, wondering, yes, who am I and how, uh, anyhow, all that we want, we want your ceiling to be her floor, right?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I tell her that all the time. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you, what do you think is, is next for you, Nicole? I see a series of workbooks for sure. As I was writing the one, I had 20 women go through the beta and they gave me amazing feedback, and right away they were like, Nicole, there's more like there's more of these.

And I'm like, I'm kind of seeing that. Yes, yes, yes. So, um, this first workbook

 [00:27:00] is 30 Days to Cut Ties with the Lies that we believe about ourselves. It's a guided journey. It goes through this joy quotient process, and we look at it from different angles. Like, let's start with the feelings. Like what, what are some feelings that are there?

Okay, let's work backwards. What is that thing? What is that belief that's driving this? Or what are the actions that we take that we're trying to just fix the behavior, which is like lopping off a dandelion, like we don't get to the root. It's not gonna fix any, you know, it's not, nothing's gonna change. So we look at this from different angles, and so there's  six different, you know, five, five step processes that we look through during that.

Um, but I have a whole bunch of content that I didn't put in that workbook. I was like, well, I could create a whole nother one right away. So that's coming. And then, um, I had just told my daughter today, I'm like, I'm ready to start the next book. I'm not gonna say the title, but it, the, the theme is all about, um, getting rid of busyness and being able to, to really rest and understand what that gift really is. 

[00:28:00] And uh, how we can work from a place of rest. How to practically do this, how do we like, so yeah, that's all. I'm all about practical. I'm like, yes, great, great theory, but gimme something to work with. Like, yes, how can I actually apply this to my life? Right. How do we translate it? Yeah. And it yet biblically rooted.

Yes. Um. So, and of course, you know, I've already knocked on your door about when's the certification coming, you know? Yes. That's gonna be coming for sure. Yeah. I've already had people asking about that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But even now, even now, people can take your book and your workbook and they can have their own little Bible studies and book clubs and all the things, and they can do it as a group together in journey with Holy Spirit.

Mm-hmm. They don't need a certified coach to walk 'em through this right now. Right. But yeah, I see that as being a part of what's coming in the future because then that that provides, like I was talking to somebody today who has her own method and she was saying, well, how do I, how do I do this and what's the benefit that I'm telling people?

[00:29:00] Why is this needed? I'm like, it's like McDonald's because you want everybody that comes in to be consistent. You know, they want them to, to be ex certain expectations. Yeah. And this is how this looks. And also just all the marketing and all the help with the tech and all the, like, how do we actually get this out there?

That's what that will be. That's what I'm envisioning. But yeah, I'm excited. I know that, um. Yeah, the Lord's gonna do powerful things. I'm really hoping, praying that I can do a lot more in-person events at conferences and have booths and really get to talk to the women and show them how they can use this.

Um, and then for sure for leaders churches. Yes, I can see this really being very impactful for women's ministry and, yeah. For sure. Well, I know that we will be praying for acceleration and mm-hmm. You know, growth multiplication for this, this is, this is seed that I feel like everybody 

[00:30:00] should go through and then share it with five other people.

So Yes, absolutely. So. Nicole, what, what do you want the listeners to know maybe that you haven't already said in In, yes. In past episode last week and today, what, what would you like to say? As we sort of wrap up, oh, I just wanna give them hope if they're in that place, that they can resonate and kind of identify themselves and being in that place that kind of, I don't like to use the word stuck, but just that lower-level operating place.

I lived there for years and I didn't know how to get out of it. Just know there's hope there. God's word. I would say God's word works. I wanna make a t-shirt because I'm like, that's what we need. I, I missed it for so long. It's like, oh, I wanna get this other method, or this thing, or this latest, whatever.

It's like. And the Lord's, like I gave you exact everything that you need pertaining to life and godliness. It's, in my word, it 

[00:31:00] works. Yeah. So just returning to the, the roots of our faith and our relationship with him, it's all based on the word. And so yeah, this is what this is all about. So excited. Oh, and so they can reach you@nicoleroth.com.

Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And they can go to Amazon and get your there, the Joy Quotient. We'll drop all these links in the show notes. Yep. For sure. Yep. Um, just so proud to know you, so proud of you. Thank and just honored and. Cannot wait to just keep track of your journey and uh, I'm sure there will be a point where we're gonna have you back on the Redeemed Perfectionist.

No doubt. Yes, yes, yes. I love it. I love it. Thanks so much, Nicole. We can't wait to talk again. Bless. 

Well, sis, the next time shame storm tries to roll in, now you've got a practical way to climb out of it and get back into the presence and joy of the Lord. I'm so grateful for this tool that God has given 

[00:32:00] Nicole and to us. I hope you give it a shot and you will understand just how much access you really do have to his truth and his joy and his grace, and how accessible it really can be. By the way, I've got some new news for you. We're gonna be pivoting just a bit from how we've been doing things. God is leading me into a season of going deeper over the next six months, both in my business and in how I serve women like you and so to make space for that, I will be releasing episodes every other week instead of weekly, just for a time, or at least that's what I believe today.

This is going to allow me to bring richer, more intentional content while also building the resources that you need for the journey. So two weeks from this episode will be the next episode, and then we will stay in that cadence until Holy Spirit leads me otherwise, and remember, Sis, you are loved, you are chosen, 

[00:33:00] and you don't have to be perfect to be redeemed.