Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
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Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
Finding Clarity in a New Year
The episode reflects on the significance of 2025 as a year of transformation and personal growth. By exploring astrology's role in understanding ourselves and our relationships, the discussion encourages listeners to embrace change, trust their intuition, and connect with the cosmic energy surrounding them.
• Reflections on the new year and personal experiences
• Discussion on how 2025 symbolizes a significant turning point
• Importance of perseverance and embracing the unexpected
• Astrology as a tool for self-discovery and growth
• Connection between trauma and spiritual awakening
• Encouragement of intuitive empowerment and inner truth
• Insight into using rituals to foster connection and grounding
• Emphasis on love as a fundamental part of human experience
hi bill. How are you? Happy new year it's. I think it is that it is the first time we've seen each other since the new year, so happy new year happy new year to you, courtney.
Speaker 2:I hope you had a great holiday I did.
Speaker 1:we had a really good holiday. I I I'm not a big New Year's fan, but I loved this New Year's. We had a really good time and I was with all the people I love, so it's what else can you ask for?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. I'm so glad to hear it. How do you feel about 2025? You're feeling like it's a fresh start, like a brand new chapter and a new landscape.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a really interesting question. Yes, it feels very different. It does. It does feel very different. I'm very tired. I feel like it's a slow start to the new year. I thought, with the new moon, that I'd be really raring to go and really out and about, but I'm very and I guess it's like the new moon, it's very slow to start and it's not a lot of energy, but it's been. I do feel that there's a shift In general. I feel like there's. It's a very it's like before and after, something about that before and after. I think we're we're at a very big time shift and for myself, I could see the shift, I could see the changes. So it's exciting, a little scary, like I feel like I'm at the edge of a cliff and I'm like being pushed up. You can do it, courtney, I don't know like being pushed up. You can do it, courtney, I don't know. How do you feel? How is your?
Speaker 2:2025, treating you Well. This is. It's been great. This is the first Monday post-holiday, so I feel like this is the first kind of normal routine day I've had since well before Christmas. So, you know, I've connected with other people in my usual weekly routine so it was nice to catch up with people. So I feel like I'm back on a schedule. And it was not. It was lovely to have that break. I really enjoyed disrupting my, you know, daily routine. So I think it was nice to have a rest and nice to do a few special things and connect with people in a in a really relaxing way. So and I do feel like my battery is, you know, recharged. Like I did, I did something good for myself by just enjoying the break and not overthinking it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that's interesting Cause I was off my routine so I never thought about it like that, and so now it's back to my routine. Yet it's yes, it was, I never thought about it like that. But I do love Mondays and I think it's funny Cause I I think I've always said this I love Mondays Cause it's like a new start, it's like a new beginning. It's like you's like a new start, it's like a new beginning. It's like you know, a fresh start and it is. The last couple weeks have been very you're not very scheduled, right did?
Speaker 2:you have a nice new year's, do you like new years? I, I'm. I was so quiet. I mean, I'm such an I go to bed so early that you don't stay up for the ball. I couldn't't even, I don't think I could if I tried, oh you're on the wait.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're on the West coast, so I think the ball literally is nine o'clock your time, so is that till nine o'clock?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't, I didn't Um again. I just I watched a little bit of the Rose bowl parade, cause I do like parades.
Speaker 1:So what is it of the Rose Bowl parade? Because I do like parades.
Speaker 2:Wait what is it the Rose Bowl parade in Pasadena Is?
Speaker 1:that like a football. Thing.
Speaker 2:Well, they have the football game at the Rose Bowl, but the parade is a big, major production, so lots of marching bands and beautiful floats with all kinds of flowers. They really do an amazing job. So I like to watch that, because parades are fun.
Speaker 1:That's so funny. The only parade we watch is the one for Thanksgiving morning. I watch that, that I do watch, but I don't watch parades. Is it on TV?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, oh yeah, I will have to check it out. Well, it's on TV here. I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's on TV where I live.
Speaker 2:Maybe not, maybe not.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's a California thing. Definitely, you know it's on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 2:It's on New Year's day.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's the day after. Okay, they probably have that Right, I have that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I didn't do anything I was in bed at eight o'clock, cause I was. You know I'm up early for yoga so I, you know I pretty much stuck to my routine.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm very impressed. Good way to start the year, good way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good way to start the year. I said that.
Speaker 1:I thought I thought it's really telling that like, well, I don't, I don't, you know, get all wasted. But I thought my kid oh, my daughter was like it's so nice that we're all here together. We were all together and she said it says a lot about people what they do for new years. Right, Some people drink a lot. And then I thought, yeah, it's not really a great. It doesn't seem like a really good idea to drink a lot on new year's eve, because then you wake up new year's morning and you don't feel well, that doesn't seem like a great way to start the new year. So I was like we're, we all started the new year, kind of clear yes, it's great way to start.
Speaker 1:Great way, yes, yeah and I think there's something about this year for me especially being very intentional, and I think we talked about that last time, but I really think this year, if I could say, oh, I was talking about this with somebody last year was all about patience and this year, I think the word is perseverance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's great to you know your steer your own ship. You know that's. I think, too, that this year will be notable. We have no way of knowing yet in what way. I just have this feeling that it's. There'll be a lot of changes oh yeah, I think or at least the beginning. It's going to be a lot of changes.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think it's going to be a very notable year, and I think that's what it's interesting. As I said, there's going to be before and then there's going to be after, and I do think, 20,.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like BC right Before Christ, after Christ, right. And I do think there's something I know that sounds crazy right To think 2025 is going to be that. But I do think there's something, I know that sounds crazy right To think 2025 is going to be that. But I do think it's going to be that it's going to be before 2025 and after 2025, and we're going to see great shifts and changes.
Speaker 2:You are not alone in feeling that way. I feel that way and that's what I think the general buzz is. That's what I think the general buzz is, and I know I hear things every year, but I do feel like 2025, just because of so many planets changing position. It's just highly unusual for this much change to happen in one year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think something about being willing to embrace the unexpected, because there's something about where the planet's changing and with what's happening in in the universe, right of things that we never knew could be, could be, and how much are thinking, I think, the fact that Gemini, that this whole energy of Gemini, which I'll say just this whole being open-minded and this radical acceptance and positivity, and that anything and everything can happen, and where in the past, I think we've always kind of been stuck with. Well, it's always been this way, so we have to kind of keep it going that way, and I just think, I think you have to change your perspective a little bit this year a little bit this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think if we were all completely dependent on media and new sources and things like that, it would be difficult to feel positive and optimistic. And that's the way I do feel, because I think there's a little bit of that internally. But I'm also and liberating for lots of people, because we're evolving, too right. We're evolving as individuals and as human beings and I think the planets are like heralds. What they're announcing is a lot different than what you would hear if you turned on media. So that's why I'm really focused on the stars, because I can see that what's happening, will happen, will be ultimately beneficial. And I'm not just thinking that internally or hoping for it internally. I'm actually looking at those planets as a guide to validate those hunches that I feel internally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I do. I agree with you. But I also think that your people, I think people will choose that's what I keep on getting to right that if you choose to listen to the media and you choose to go down the road of fear, right then that you might, that might end up being your perspective, right. Your reality might show, as things are getting harder, things are getting scarier, things are to be, they do have a reason to be fearful. But if you're similar to us which I I'm guessing you and I are very similar in this way we don't have a lot of out input from external, external input. And someone once said to me Well, are you being naive? And I was like, well, I know what's going on. I mean, I do kind of I'm careful, careful, I kind of read things versus listen. I think something about. Sometimes, if I read it, it's it's easier for me to have my own perceivement. I perceive it in a way that's different than if I was to listen to it.
Speaker 2:I don't know about you yeah, but you could be equally naive by listening only to the media and thinking that because you're hearing it there, it's absolutely valid.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's the case at all. So you know, it's interesting that, again, anything to do with astrology gets smeared so often by so many people, and I think that's so unfortunate, because if there was a little bit more open-mindedness about it, I think people would really be a lot less anxious about their place in the world Because they wouldn't feel like it's, it's all up to me, I have this, I have to figure this out all on my own, I have to fight all these battles on my own. But if you're looking to the planets, you can see how they can support you or protect you or challenge you or, you know, bring surprises, of course, and obstacles. But for me, I would much, I would feel much more secure about everything if I could see those obstacles in my life reflected in the planets. Yeah, because then it's, then it's part of a a larger narrative that I don't have to feel like I'm control of this. I'm not so what a huge relief to feel that way. And it's not.
Speaker 1:I think it's a huge relief and I think what you're saying is so important and I I'll say turn off the news, turn off the media, because they're they need you to be scared, they need you to be fearful, or else you're not going to watch it. It's um, that is I that I actually did notice in 2025, like I have not been on my phone at all. I think that I mean it has been away from me and I'm like wait, this is crazy. I mean I do watch my phone, I do look at my phone, I usually look at texts, but now I'm going long hours without looking at it at all and I'm like this is so nice. Like even just outside texts from other people I'm not inputting as much.
Speaker 1:Or I am, but it's just at a slower process.
Speaker 2:I you know. Sometimes they'll you know if I'm looking at it on one computer, they'll ask me for the password so I can. You know it's. If they make it too difficult for me, I just don't play with it anymore. So if I I'll, I'll scroll through the phone for a couple of minutes. I'll. If I see something I might respond. But often I don't even do that because it's well, I feel like if I get on there and if I don't respond to everyone I feel that I should respond to. I feel like I might be letting people down and I know that's not a logical thing to think of, but it's better if I'm not that absorbed in it. It's just I feel so much lighter and so much more at ease I get. I'm so much less worked up when I do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't, I can't, I'm not very good. I don't look at any social media. I have a very hard time because I do feel this. I don't look because it's like you get sucked into the responsibility of responding and so I just I don't even look anymore. I have, I've been, I have not looked in a long time, so it's something that I'm pretty good at. I like YouTube a little bit, but I don't really do anything else, which I guess is social media, but I don't respond to anyone because I don't know anyone personally. When I watch YouTube, right like Instagram, like Instagram or Facebook, you know the people and you want to respond and you want to like say something, yet it does. It takes, it's giving away your energy. Little things like even responding, if it's, if it doesn't feel natural, is giving away your energy and we have to be so careful with our energy.
Speaker 2:So true.
Speaker 1:And so if you love responding, I think is a great thing to respond, and if you're someone like well, we're both very strong 12 houses so we're not so good at responding, and so it's, that's okay. It's not personal, right? If someone, if you're not, if someone's not responding to you, it's not personal.
Speaker 1:I keep on saying that right, and then there are people that are really good at responding and really social and really able to do it, and they love it and they feel good. But your feelings tell you something right? Feeling good after you do something. This is what I tell my girls. If something feels good, then do more of it. If something doesn't feel good, listen to what your messages are, because you do. You know so you can't control how people feel.
Speaker 2:Phil so I'll say don't respond right, and I do know people you know love being on there and it's great and they're really good at it. I think they should stay on there because they're they're probably doing a service for a lot of people, you know, just by being that that, but that's, that's just not me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, and I think that is the gift is that we're different. Each person's so different, and what what's good for one person might not be good for another person, and I think that's the gift of astrology is trying to understand that. And if you could understand yourself a little better, right, and you can you can understand what's happening right now. Right?
Speaker 1:Right or even just listen to what you're being told, but what you want to do, so much of the planets are talking to us, or astrology is talking to us by what we want. And so if we just simply listen to what we want, there's the message go and do it, not wait to do it Right. Go and do it, not wait to do it.
Speaker 2:Right. So that's dead on as far as I'm concerned regarding how astrology can help you, because if a client comes to you and they have hunches about certain things and those hunches are reflected in their chart, then I think that you're giving them something so powerful you know it's, it's, you know I. I wouldn't even know how to put a value on it, other than to say you know, the planets are compelling you to do this. That's why you have this hunch.
Speaker 1:It's, it's a God it's a, it's just, and I what I think it's so interesting is is that it's a God wink and that somebody else besides yourself could say to you you know what, go try it. Go do it Like you have.
Speaker 2:you can do this, can do this right, you know exactly right some those hunches really from the divine, they're from the heavens how much more empowering can that be to your soul and your, your life path reflected in the planets and having an astrology, an astrologer, give you the narrative of it yeah well and I'll say that and I, yes, an astrologer, and just yes, a neutraliger, and just it's an interesting idea, right Is to make sure that you're very to not be fearful of astrology.
Speaker 1:I have like an interesting. I have a little bit of a mix. I listen, I love astrology. It's like something I've added into my life so I could understand my life better, I could work with the people in a much better way, I could look at a chart and really be clear on how to help somebody or how, maybe, to understand them even more and to prove it to them. Like my whole thing is. Let me prove it to you. But the other side is that it's all a choice, right, there's positive and there's a higher side, and then there's a lower side, and so astrology is not anything out of fear, and so anybody that's going to I'll say there are astrologers still that are very fear based, and I think, yes, I think it's important that you listen to your own guidance and that you seek out somebody to support you in it, but also to make sure that whoever you are speaking to speaks in a really in that what's possible not versus what's not possible. Does that make sense to you? Because Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I think that's. I think that's where that would be the only field that I would want to play in as far as astrology goes, because I would not want to say something like, you know, on October 15, in 2028. You know, you're going to, you know, fall and break your knee, something like that. I mean, I would never. That was not, I wouldn't even.
Speaker 1:Well, no one could tell you that I'm watching this silly show. It's a really silly show. It's called the Mentalist. Did you ever hear of the show?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a. It's a like a crime drama.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like an old crime drama and he was like a psychic and something bad happened and he but I think it's so telling because he always says there's no such thing as psychics, there's no such thing as anyone telling you what's going to happen. He's very clear on that. Meanwhile, he is very intuitive, he's very. He always seems to know the answers to everything, and I think it's so brilliant because nobody because what could look like a broken leg could also be a great opportunity, right, and nobody can tell you exactly how that will turn out. There is not a person in the world that could tell you how it's going to turn out or what the planets signify. There's nobody.
Speaker 1:And so anybody that says well, they could say there's opportunities that you could watch out to be careful, right, I think, like Ronald Reagan, I think the day Ronald do you know that story Like Ronald Reagan got shot and supposedly Nancy Reagan had an astrologer, and I think Nancy Reagan's astrologer actually said to her just watch out and be careful. And she's like I'm never going to do anything again without an astrologer. And, yes, there are certain days you should watch out for you could be more careful of, but not in a, you know, to not be scared exactly. We have enough fear in our life. We have enough fear in our life that we should see opportunities to use, use the map of the sky for opportunities. I think it's more of my, my my word.
Speaker 2:It's like collecting data. I mean how, collect as much data as you can to make a decision, but it's not, the data is not going to make give you a clear picture. You're making assumptions based on that data, right and informed. You know decisions based on your studies of astrology. So, yes, the more information that you have, the better. And, for instance, you could, you, somebody might have, let's say, you know, a troubled marriage, right, and if, if an astrologer can help them with that and I'm sure that they can, because they can show the planetary energies that are impacting that marriage, and then they can all understand somebody better, right?
Speaker 1:so, for instance, you're married and the marriage isn't working and you could understand what the other person. What I love about, what I'm learning about, or what I understand about it is, is that I understand people so much better. I have a lot more compassion for where people are. I have a lot more compassion for why they are a certain way. So, yeah, I do think there's something, yeah, and maybe your husband or wife are just going through something and you need to. But I also think we're all being asked to wake up.
Speaker 1:So when there's a problem, I have to face it. I keep on seeing that right, like, do you know the story of the month this is? I keep on getting the same message, and I think it's so interesting. If there's a problem, open the door and face it. That's it, because at the end of the day, the problem isn't going away. So, if you're having a problem in your marriage or in your relationships, right, what, what you could do is is opening up the truth to you by opening the door. And if you could look at charts or understand what you're both going through or why something's showing up for you, yeah, I think it can make a lot of sense. But you have to face the problem, the, the fear. You know the, the monster in the closet. There's like a book, but the monster in the closet is only as scary as you make it out to be the problem in your marriage or the problem in your relationships. They're only because you're not looking at them and being honest about them, right and if you look at the planets.
Speaker 2:It makes you really be honest and if, if a meeting with an astrologer, if nothing else, if a meeting with an astrologer forces that person to address these issues, then half the battle is already won, more than half yeah, because you see the.
Speaker 1:You see what your your own, listen, I mean, in astrology reading is your own stuff, right, it's seeing, I was looking up, um, there's a woman girl named ember chamber, emma chamberlain.
Speaker 1:She's like a very famous young adult and so I happened to like look up, I was like, oh, let me look up a chart to see, like what her story is. And I happened to look up like an article and it was written and so, and was so fascinating, was like a very famous astrologer read her chart and they were talking to her and it it just explains so much to you and it makes you understand why you are a certain way. And then, and then my daughter was watching this other show where this other girl, alex Earl you know who she is, she's also a very famous young person and she was getting her chart read and her sister, and her sister has, like you, a 12th house son and and she's like I just don't even she didn't connect to her airy son so much and then, but it's hidden, it's in the 12th house, right, and so she kind of is like behind the scenes. It was just interesting to watch how much little pieces of information from somebody outside yourself could really help you thrive.
Speaker 2:And just to again to speak about troubled marriages, if the person who met with the astrologer also learned about the partner and even on the most basic level, knew about let's say, you know the dominant mode of that person, you know even that I think would help the other be more accepting or understanding. It would be, you know, if somebody had a lot of fire, energy, right. But the partner thought, well, this person is very impulsive, they're very loud, they're erratic, they're you know, I don't know why I can't get this person to change who they are. I think the astrologer could say well, looking at this person's chart, you can see why. That it's not, it's not arbitrary, it's this is how they, this is the tools that they use to navigate and function in the world. That's innate in them, it's who they are. And I think if the partner had more of an understanding of that and didn't see it as a choice or something that can be easily dismissed, that alone, I think, would be the beginning of mutual understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but did you notice? Yes, that's true, but did you ever notice that the same thing that drives someone crazy in the relationship? Let's say, the person says, oh, they're so outgoing and they're very fiery and they have lots of energy, and then you could look at their chart and see that. But that's actually the same reason why the person fell in love with them to begin with. And then the person's driven crazy by it and I'm like, well, that's what you probably need in your life. You need that fire, you need the reaction, you need the energy. I don't have a lot of fire in your chart.
Speaker 1:Exactly how much you need. So the same thing that drives you nuts about the person is actually probably the greatest gift of the person.
Speaker 2:And I think if they you know, both partners looked at those charts and had an astrologer explain to it, I think light bulbs would go off. You know they would say okay, wait a second. This is maybe I'm being too hard on you, because if this is who you are, then I, you know, I, you know. These are the things that attracted to me. You meet to you in the first place. So let's let this be the beginning of a new understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's an interesting like you, look at Carl Jung, right? Carl Jung said that he would never, ever do therapy without looking at someone's chart again. And I do think there's something so profound about that because you have, like you and I were, we're, we're different, we have, although we're the same, right, we're humans and we have the same feelings and we have same emotions. We are we're coming in with with different experiences, with different past life problems, with different things that we're supposed to accomplish, and if we know that, but then I think, somehow you're put into this. You know, you're five and you're put into a classroom and you're supposed to sit down and some kids don't want to sit down. There's nothing wrong with that kid, it's that that kid's not supposed to sit down, you know, I think there's something with being bored, right, that Gemini energy, right, I was not a great student, right? I probably was just bored.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same here.
Speaker 1:And you have a very strong Gemini energy. And so how about this? Even if the teacher knew it? Imagine that, like if a teacher oh my God, no wonder you're like this, I love you for it Like you know the person that gets up first in line and and they have the, they have the Aries moon, right, you, you look at like Tom Brady, a strong Aries moon, he's first, he's like I'm going to go, I'm going to beat you, you put me in a competitive mode. And then if you took that and nurtured it like a teacher, could you imagine if teachers knew it? Oh look, I have all this Gemini. Look at all that Gemini. I wonder if some years that the kids are born and they have a lot of Gemini energy, if just it's less focused.
Speaker 2:Right and it's such a shame that you know that call young's incorporation of astrology into therapy was dismissed, reject or demonized I would go as far as to say demonized right, because it created a split from what I know of psychiatry. There's really, no, it doesn't give astrology any legitimacy at all, whereas Carl Jung, one of the founders of psychiatry, absolutely did. It's a shame that there was this.
Speaker 1:Well, it would work. It would work. So I mean, you go back to Jesus, right, and the three wise men one was an astrologer, right, and so it's been and back in the day with all the kings and they all had astrologers. It was a very it was, it was a sign of intelligence to have somebody that was helping you with the sky and the stars. But it works. And so maybe I know that sounds very, you know, underhanded, but maybe there's something that if, if people knew how to feel better and to get better very young, would they? Do they keep people sick. I mean, there's some, not just the society. Does our society keep people sick or not well or not functioning at our highest way?
Speaker 2:Well, there would be. There's definitely benefits to keeping people disempowered if you want to maintain control, and it's interesting that you bring up the wise men who are following the star. This is the beginning of the New Testament. I mean, this is where the story of the New Testament begins. They're talking about an astrologer who and, and and. It makes the astrologer more legitimate because he was talking about the birth of jesus, right?
Speaker 1:so following the star to find. That's how they found.
Speaker 2:They found jesus following the star, and yet the stars told them go this way to find jesus. That's the beginning of the New Testament. But it's completely dismissed in the orthodoxy right, in the dogma of the church or any. There's no Christian sect that incorporates that into their beliefs, and I think that's. I think it just amazes me.
Speaker 1:You have like. You have, though you have like. There's spiritual sects of Christianity, right there's, and there's a Christian astrologer, right. Who was it? Is it William Lilly or something? Am I making this up? Is someone named William Lilly or something, and he wrote Christian astrology?
Speaker 2:and You're probably right and I don't know, but William Lilly was a, was a was a astrologer. No, that sounds right.
Speaker 1:And then also, if you go back to Kabbalah, right, that's very much Kabbalah, which is a spiritual side of Judaism.
Speaker 2:It's very based on stars and planets?
Speaker 1:I mean, there is definitely. But again, the church. I'm very into spirit and to the divine and I'm very into I actually read the Bible right, and I've looked at the Bible and the Torah and all the Old Testament, the New Testament. But, if you remember, humans want power and so there's people in the church that are human, and even in the, the or the or the temple, I mean. Then you go back to jesus and jesus was jewish and then the.
Speaker 1:Did you watch the chosen? It's really. Did you watch the chosen? Oh, you should watch the chosen. It's really interesting and it's. It's a. Do you know the story about? It's the show that was created for the internet and it was like made for like an app, and then you didn't. You could watch it for free and then you could donate money and they talk about the story of Jesus, and then it's on Netflix, it's on all the channels. It's really kind of great. Even Jesus came with all these new ideas and this wanting to change things and the people in power, right, the, the rabbis, they were like they didn't want anything to do with it, but that's not who ended up killing him. But again, there was that, that controversy of the old changing and I think this goes back to this whole 2024, 2025, that it's not going to look the same and things change. You might not like it at first, but we have to be open to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and astrology definitely is going to help with that, but there's also the Gnosticism is going to help with that, but there's also, you know, the gnosticism which was part of early christian thought and the church put the kibosh on that wait what is it?
Speaker 1:it's called gnosticism you don't know it it's a.
Speaker 2:It was part of the early christian church and it had a lot to do with uh, the individual power of each person's soul, and that there was a soul as a person had a direct connection to god as expressed in the cosmos. So I it was.
Speaker 1:I mean so again, it's mystical.
Speaker 2:Right, right, but it was. But it was more empowering, a more empowering belief, because you had that direct relationship with your creator, because you're a part of the creator. There's no, there's no intermediaries. You're a part of the creator, there's no intermediaries. There's no saints or popes or priests or anybody between you and your relationship. And, of course, it's not hard to understand why beliefs like that could be so threatening and they were again just completely cut out.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's so brilliant what you're saying because it's we're at, if you think about just the planets right now and how saturn's and pisces and and neptune, right, and we're at the end of of neptune, at pisces and how, and we're going into where the north star well it's the north node is going into Pisces. And how important what you just said would be right now to know how each individual has the ability to know that they're this perfect divine soul and that they can connect to this higher power without anybody else helping them, without needing anybody but themselves. And it goes back to we're at this time where I think we're all being asked to know that. So I'll say say the word again, because it's such a good word and I love how you just have the perfect word. Oh wait.
Speaker 2:Is it Gnosticism? Is that the word Gnosticism? Okay, gnosticism, gnosticism is that the word Gnosticism. Okay, gnosticism, it's G-N-O-S-T-I-S-M Gnosticism. I think we as individuals will have to incorporate that feeling, that understanding exactly what you said, that there's no intermediary between me and God or the creative intelligence, the creator, that which created me and the planets same, we're the same.
Speaker 1:I think that understanding that direct internal soul connection is going to be, will have to become more central, yeah, and I think there's going to be will have to become more central, yeah, and I, I think there's going to be no choice. I think people are going to really suffer and be in a lot of pain and and they're going to hurt so much or they're going to go so unconscious, and so I do think I think we're all being asked right now to know that, to know, to know, know that connection, and usually how people find that connection is through trauma. Right, like usually people have to be really uncomfortable to find the divine, I don't know. I I keep on wondering when we'll all be smarter to that. It doesn't have to be so we don't have to be so stubborn to get to that point.
Speaker 1:You could just remember. I see babies and they're so bright eyed and they're so beautiful and they're so, so loving and I wonder, like, imagine if we could just keep that that love right, that I could like. You know, I see a baby, I love them, they love me. There's no separation between the two of us and our heart gets blocked along the way. But I do think that if we are going to have to learn to unblock our hearts each of us and experience this, or or we will suffer greatly, and I think that'll be the difference between the before and the after and the people that choose to.
Speaker 1:I think people listening to what we're saying obviously are people that are open to finding this connection to the divine. But it's through you, and I mean I even go back to like, yes, it's wonderful to speak to an astrologer or speak to somebody, but also trust yourself, because I think, deep down, we all do know what's for our highest good. I do think, I mean I do think it's great to go to people. This is how I make my living is to go to people, come to me and I I support them and I help them and it really does help. But I do think deep down. We all know. We all know what's for our highest good.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think, because we're human, we have to remind ourselves of that, or connect with people who will help us remember that, because an infant, an infant, is intimately connected with everything. There's no difference between the infant and the universe, and that's that's why you see so much joy in them, I think you know, and so much acceptance, right, just openheartedness. Their arms are out like this all the time.
Speaker 1:Oh, and they love. I mean, like there's a baby that I see that doesn't want to hug you or love you. If you are an open vessel, they are an open vessel and it's. I guess you know, the gift of children around you is such a.
Speaker 2:And they're even, they are telling us this. You know so that they're, they're the reminder to us. You know there's all these signals and reminders out there, symbols, you know that tell us these things.
Speaker 1:We just have to be more attuned to it and and always keep remembering, because for me, I can, you know, my gemini mind can go zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom and well you're everybody right now right the chaos of we could look at, like the planet Jupiter, where it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and how easy it is for our minds to go a little off kilter, and so you have to just bring it back. You have to keep on bringing it back, you have to keep on grounding it, and I think what's interesting is you always talk about like looking at the stars or looking at the planets, just going outside and and looking up at the sky and talking to them and asking them what to do next.
Speaker 1:Almost like the wise man.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly right. It is, it absolutely is. And I'm more and more into simple rituals like lighting a candle and this, the young me would have scoffed at this, I would have absolutely scoffed at this. But just the ritual of lighting a candle and taking a moment and just collect your thoughts to focus your vision on the candle, you can start to have more one-pointed focus, which is really an ideal situation to be in, right? So you can. You know you're fully involved, you're fully focused and then you're not.
Speaker 2:This is beyond rationalization and logic and all of those things. You know it's prayerful and it's meditative and it's, it's transporting. You know that's when you're really. You know you're, you're experiencing what we're talking about, and that experience is way more rich than hearing about it or discussing it or hearing about it. That's when your soul is really speaking to you and it's always whispering, right, but you can't hear it because it gets crowded out by everything else. So I think doing something like that getting up early in the morning and sitting on your patio and watching the sun come up through the trees, whatever it happens to be- yeah, well there, nothing.
Speaker 1:If you go to, if you study energy, there's nothing more energetically lifting than watching the sunrise. So that's a that's a beautiful intention and I and it's simply I love that idea. It's just simply lighting a candle. It takes you away from it, takes you away from your everyday or your stories or your circumstances, and you could just be with that flame for 60 seconds and it could feel better. It could at least shift your mindset for a moment in time. So I do appreciate that I love rituals and I think I think your younger self would be happy that you're doing it now.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think your younger self would be happy that you're doing it now. Well, my older self is so grateful that the journey has taken me here. You know, I'm deeply grateful for it Because I was shortchanging myself by not being open to the idea of it, and I would really encourage anybody who feels like that might be okay for him, but definitely not me, because just not, just no, just to eliminate a little bit of that resistance, you know, and just find time to light the candle and look at it. Give yourself that gift.
Speaker 1:I have been thinking so much about how our human mind is, so our ego. Our ego is so loud and has so much resistance from actually where our greatness is. And if we can just quiet it and we can just do what we don't want to do I know it sounds crazy, but do like. Your mind might not want to light the candle right, or your mind might not want to get you to the sunrise, or the mind might not want you to go put your feet on grass. Don't listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause your ego does not want to lose any control and it's threatened by the, just the act of letting go. Because when you're let go, you're not listening to your ego anymore. And I feel bad for egos, because they're always working super hard when what they believe is our best interest and on a day to day level. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1:But that's also yeah, I don't think it is right though I think that's the lie right that like somehow we're not safe and we're not, we're not wonderful, right, or we're, or we are who we were yesterday and we should stay that way and we should stay small and we should stay comfortable and we should not walk out of our comfort zone. I don't know if we need I actually don't know if we need it anymore. I think we should. Well, maybe everyone should walk off the ledge, like I feel like I'm supposed to just walk off the ledge and see what happens, like it's like a free fall, yeah, but again it's like the candle, but again it's like the candle right, it's just, it's, it's self-limiting to let the ego, you know, be in charge all the time.
Speaker 2:It's just, you're not, you're fencing yourself in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I, I do a lot. I mean I, you know, it's easy for me to say yeah, I do.
Speaker 2:I do a lot, but I don't know if we need to anymore. Yeah, it's definitely. Again, I think of it like prayer to come back to that intention. Just come back to that intention. Come back to the intention. You're having a bad day, You're waking up in a bad mood, you stubbed your toe. Just come back and remember and recall You're a soul in a human body. You know, not the reverse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're loved. You know that you're really loved. I mean truly, truly loved. And you might not feel it from humans.
Speaker 2:You might not feel it outside yourself, but you can love yourself.
Speaker 1:Yep, you know, and you could choose to remember this, this feeling of love that is within every single one of us, and we just have to remember so and it's going to take. I think that's our job this year. And I think I know that it's all. There is no limit when we know this truth.
Speaker 2:I think this is a beautiful way to conclude, Courtney, don't you?
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you so much for your time, phil and I love you, I love you too. And whoever's listening. I love you and I'm sure, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I feel. I feel a heart opening in my soul, heating up just speaking with you. So this is, this is a gift, Thank you.
Speaker 1:For me too, thank you.