Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
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Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
You Are Magical! Embracing Personal Growth and the Magic Within,
This episode explores the journey of self-discovery, focusing on the struggles of overcoming the ego and embracing personal rebellion and authenticity. Through personal stories and reflections, we encourage listeners to confront their fears, explore meditation, and acknowledge the importance of collective consciousness in fostering meaningful change.
• Discussing personal style and change
• Navigating the role of the ego in our lives
• Sharing experiences with meditation and mindfulness
• Addressing fears and phobias within society
• Analyzing the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr.
• Exploring the connection between individual change and collective consciousness
• Investigating celestial influences on personal growth
hi phil, happy, happy day, happy day yes, hi courtney.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is a.
Speaker 1:It's a happy day you're growing your hair long and you look so handsome, and is it something's changed?
Speaker 2:well, thanks. People are calling me the q-tip now, so I might have to turn it back a little right now.
Speaker 1:why? What are they calling you? Okay, First of all, don't listen to. This is my new message. Okay, it's none of your business what they're saying. Do you like what you're looking at?
Speaker 2:I think it's kind of cute. Q-tip is my new nickname. I'm cool with that. What is it supposed to mean? Q-tip, new nickname, and that's, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1:What is it supposed to mean, q-tip?
Speaker 2:It's like a big fuzzy top.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think you look gorgeous. It's so funny. I thanks, I would think I don't know my father's growing his. It's actually funny because he's a cancer and he's growing his hair longer and it's been fun to see right Like, and then my mother keeps making comments. But I think maybe he should let it be. I like it.
Speaker 2:It's my little act of rebellion, you know. So thanks, I'm glad you like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think rebellion it's so funny. I trying to be rebellious too, so I wonder why you're being you being more rebellious, like questioning how you've always been a little bit and seeing if maybe you should change it up.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh wait, that's it Exactly.
Speaker 1:I mean too, me too questioning it all. Wait, I'm going through. Oh, I think we have very similar stuff, I forgot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm relaxed about it, which is a new thing for me. It's just letting it happen. And if I change my mind tomorrow, I'm letting that happen too.
Speaker 1:And if I change my mind tomorrow. I'm letting that happen too. Yeah, that's what I've been like, but it's been. It's very uncertain because it's not making other people so comfortable. I don't know if you're going through that experience of I'm going through this experience and I'm like I don't know what's going to happen next and I'm kind of questioning everything and I see how uncomfortable it makes other people.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have experiences with that as well, and it's amazing to me that people around me are uncomfortable but they're also really curious, like they want. This is has more to do with my kundalini practice and astrology, I would say. But they're, they're paying attention, they're more than casually interested. At the same time it's they're not fully on board. So it's the strangest thing they're.
Speaker 2:If they to me, if they had just dismissed it entirely in their minds, it would wouldn't matter at all, it would just wouldn't. There'd be no ripple in our conversation, nothing. And yet I know, when some certain subjects come up, there's this conversation about well, I know, that's your thing now and you know maybe it'll pass, things like that. There's a little bit of edginess there. But at the same time I think they're also genuinely curious about it, like to see you know. They say you know, phil, you look a little different, you look a little more chill. You know you look younger. What are you doing? Things like that, which I just get a kick out of because it's not so that's. It's not my intention for all those things to happen, but I'm glad if people are noticing, because that you know what could be better than to somebody tell me, someone like me that, wow, you seem really relaxed. That's a miracle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't imagine you. That's so funny, because I can't imagine you not relaxed. I only know you as someone that seems so comfortable in their skin and so relaxed, and so somebody that hasn't known you a very long time, that seems very normal, but I guess, I guess it could be very uncomfortable if you had changed so much and then all of a sudden they have to say well, what's going on, that's, it's, it's a good question.
Speaker 2:Right, and if they see something going on, that's when they really start to ask questions, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I guess questions aren't bad. I find it to be like I think I get defensive a little bit when the questions are asked, because I think somehow, well, why, like, I want to like put my fists up and be like, well, why are you asking me that? And why I feel like, well, I don't know, I'm just being who, I'm being Right and I'm not trying to be something. I'm just maybe being different or I'm changing or I'm growing. And I think, now that I think about it, I keep on thinking well, maybe they're asking because we're all being asked to change, and so how come I'm changing and maybe I'm supposed to be changing? So maybe there's a question mark in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's dangerous to their egos because they, you know you're, you're stepping outside the box, and it's even dangerous to our own egos.
Speaker 1:I think there's an an an internal, internal struggle when you're changing, you know, because very big internal struggle that in my head, my ego right you would call is like pulling me back, saying you think you are you. You need to just fit into this box of like, whatever the box is. I don't even know what the box is.
Speaker 2:Right, but ultimately its goal is to protect you, right, but ultimately its goal is to protect you right. So it's doing what it's supposed to. But if you're not in control of that ego, then it's controlling you and that's not where you want to be. And I'm only saying that because I know exactly what that is and how it feels. I have an experience I've lived with for a long time Before I was aware of it.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought that was so interesting. I mean, I have too, and this is literally what I've been doing since I'm 20. I've been taking. It's interesting because I used to take a class, so I mean this guy died. Actually yesterday I took a class, since I was not for a long time. I haven't been in the class for over 10 years, but I took a class for 20 years about trying to get over my ego and that little voice in my head and it's some people don't even notice the voice, I just the voice just wouldn't shut up for me. So I was like I have to find a way to quiet it. So I did that, and then that's where I and then I ended up doing meditation, which I think was the biggest gift for me, honestly, like that. If I ask one thing that's made the biggest difference of being aware of that voice and quieting the voice, I would say it has been sitting with myself in that meditation.
Speaker 2:I think that's a huge struggle for anybody, certainly for me, and you're expressing the same thing. It's really such an internal challenge to rise to that occasion and it's so frustrating because my ego wants to point outside myself to things that say I can't do it because one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. But if you really, meditation will allow you to fully comprehend that all of this stuff is really inward, that it's deeply personal and if you're confronting it, you're confronting it alone. You know, if you're, if this is a this you can be, when you're really facing it and up against it, it can feel really dark and scary for me, right Cause you're really. Everything else is being pushed away and you know there's no more. You can't hide behind anything, you can't point outside yourself at other things.
Speaker 2:Again, this is for me. I have to say okay, you know, are you going to show compassion and be a friend to yourself and do what you know is right, even though it's going to be lonely for you? It might feel lonely and strange and you know all of those things happen, but I would never go back. I would never. I never for one second. Courtney said oh, I regret all of this, or you know all this inner work was a mistake. Oh, I was completely wrong. Not as not for a second, and I never would. How would I ever say that?
Speaker 1:Well, I think what's so interesting about maybe that was the gift of having this very this, this the brain that actually wouldn't shut up, right, both of us. But then, if I was thinking about this, because we're actually, when you were talking about it how actually we're all being asked for the next 18 months to find quiet and to be with ourselves and to allow ourselves to feel lonely I'm not saying be alone, but in the silence right, and find this. I think it's interesting that we started this great podcast, that we're here right At this time, because we've been doing that very, very the lower side of the nose right that Virgo, that Mercury for a very long time, both of us. I mean that has been our job as very Gemini and people, and so now maybe we can help people, maybe even just listening to this. Is that if, if you, maybe you don't hear the voice. But this is what I think is so interesting.
Speaker 1:Some people don't hear the voice. They're like I don't have that voice, but the thing is, if they don't, you don't sit in silence enough to hear it, our voice just doesn't stop. But some people they think, oh, I don't have that voice, but if they sat by themselves, without a TV, without a phone, without anything, for 10 minutes. They'd say they're not good meditators. But it's not that they're not good meditators, it's just that that voice is there, yeah, yes, and really is there anyway, even when doing your stuff. It just maybe you don't notice it, but we notice it. So I, I do think there's a gift in, in our gift of being disturbed.
Speaker 2:Well, I, I think it would be fair to say you know, if we can do it, anybody can do you. Would you think so?
Speaker 1:I think so Because I think if we could do it, anyone can. I think that's if we can do it, anyone can. It's true.
Speaker 2:Because it was really hard for the longest time Hard for me to sit there and meditate. It would just, it would just.
Speaker 1:it's still sometimes hard for me. I still, I still like I meditate every day. I call it seven minutes in heaven. I'm like I'm doing seven minutes. I'm sitting here with myself and there are days where I am antsy, there are days where my head's in another place and I just practice not having judgment of that or deciding if it's good or bad.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you are. If you're really good at like getting connected, well, I do it with a group, you know. So I I do it like this I'm in front of my laptop and there's music and there's mantras and things like that, but there's a long period of just deep meditation. So that's what works for me. Uh, and you know, the experience and the changes that I've made and the understandings that I've come to have been really profound and I'm so grateful that you know my path in life led me to these things because it could have gone in all kinds of directions, you know.
Speaker 1:Well and so interesting, because that's the beauty of meditation that I try and try to explain to people that I work with that you don't have to sit and be silent. You could do something like yoga, but if you try, the trick is just to stay in the moment of the yoga or you can do literally. You could do dishes Like you could wash for 10 minutes and if you were actually trying to stay with the dishes and stay out of your mind and not do anything else, that that's meditation.
Speaker 1:Or if you were to take a walk and you were just to have nowhere to go, but just walk with nowhere to go, not have an intention of getting somewhere or getting something from it, right, that would be meditation. So it doesn't have to look like traditional meditation to do what I'm saying. It's more how do you find something where you practice staying present with something?
Speaker 2:Right, you still your mind, so that even when the thoughts and the memories and ideas you know this better than anyone, courtney they'll keep pushing into your mind like boom, boom, boom, boom, which happens to me. But if I could just let them go, just let it burn up in the light of my consciousness as I meditate.
Speaker 1:It's almost like a cloud right. So I think that's interesting, because I burn things all the time. So I think that's interesting. I'm going to try that one. Like just bang, boom, done. I see it like a cloud where I have the thought and then. But then I have a hard time. Like I'm good when I'm doing my meditation, or like if I'm washing the dishes or if I'm doing something. It's like in my daily business where, like if something's bothering me, the room to not room, what is that?
Speaker 1:like Rumicate ruminate ruminate, ruminate, how, how? To the practice of allowing the cloud to go, like just let it go. I can't control what's happening right now, but it is interesting because I have such a hard time. I I'm going to laugh at my I've been thinking about this a lot the last couple of days. I very much understand the Gemini-ness of that. It's Mercury and I have a hard time accepting this idea. The energy of the lower vibe is Mercury too, and I and now finally I got it it's like the mind, it's much more of that mind, that criticalness that like, that's like it could be pretty mean that that kind of energy.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, can it? I mean man, and it's all it's. It's trying to hook on to things. You know it wants to. You know when those memories and ideas come up, it wants to hold your attention, you know. So it requires a little bit of effort just to to let it go, just not don't let, it doesn't really protect you.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the quick I know. It thinks it's protecting you, right, right.
Speaker 2:It thinks that it yes but it's not protecting you. It's keeping, keeping you back, it's holding you back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And everyone has like people like they're like I don't have it. And I'm going to say everyone has it. I experienced it. I have children. I've watched them, I've watched their friends, I've watched, I've watched, I love. Okay, first of all, I like adore you, cause you said something so interesting about that high school. And's funny because I didn't post that. I'm something so blocking me from posting that, but I don't know what it is. But there's this idea that we're meant to like fit in and and what you have to do to fit in.
Speaker 2:Sometimes that's not what you really want to do right, and if anyone that has a fear or a phobia or a hang up, that's their ego, that's their mind controlling them and limiting them. And it's really so unfortunate because those types of things can cause so much internal grief, that is not even expressed. And I always say I have no idea what is going on. I'll never know exactly what's going on in somebody else's mind. I can try and I want to you know, but I'm sure that there are just things in there that are you know, and a phobia is a good example of why is that particular thing taking up so much space in their head? But it's not in the person right next to them. It doesn't, it doesn't even cause a blip in their consciousness. And yet this person is controlled by what is essentially only mental. It's only mental.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it's real. It's not free, I was just saying this to my husband. It's real because if you go to look at the astrology chart, right, and you believe in I don't know if you believe in evolutionary astrology, but you do you come into this based on evolutionary astrology. You come in with this wound and the wound is very, very real, right. So, and then if you had trauma from lifetimes, lifetimes, then it does feel very real, I mean in your psyche, in your energy it does?
Speaker 1:there might've been something that did happen. It just might not even make any sense.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but it's not. You're not under threat at the moment at all. I mean it's not. It's what your fears and phobias might be are not reflected in your reality or your surroundings or your environment.
Speaker 1:No, you're safe. Like we're all so safe we're sitting here listening to this podcast. You're safe. But then there's fear of like what could happen. Like what could happen.
Speaker 2:Or you know there could be fear about you know sitting sitting too far away from a door. You know I know people like that.
Speaker 1:They, they're always people are really scared of planes. I mean people are sure of people are scared of people are scared of snakes, right Like right, scared of animals or snake dogs. I have a friend that's petrified of dogs and so right. I don't know what happens like and how do you be in that moment and not be scared? It's a very interesting question. Well, that presence, but it's very hard to be present.
Speaker 2:I come to realize that I have a fear of sharp things blades, essentially blades. When I was younger, I worked at a printing company and they had purchased this brand new machine. It was pretty large. It was sized think of it like a kitchen countertop right, it was a pretty large machine and you would put thick like bricks of paper into it and then you would just take the bar and twist it and this huge hydraulic blade would come down and slice. These were essentially thick bricks of paper, but cleanly slice them, like surgically, that's so I was afraid to use it or even be on the same side of the room as it, because it to me it was. It was like a monster that was threatening me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's probably for a good reason there's. Maybe it saved you. I mean, it's so funny because my daughter, I, I have three girls and one of them I I'm so scared of her using a knife. The other two, I don't make a comment, I don't say anything, the literally she picks up a knife. I think I'm going to die. I'm like you, you, you can't. She's like you never taught me how to use a knife. I was like I like't care, and she thinks it's so funny. And then her, her friend cut her hand and I was like you see, aren't you lucky that I won't let you do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe it saved you. I mean, maybe in some ways it does keep you safe. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe you were not supposed to go across to that room. Maybe there is a gut feeling that you shouldn't do something and you better listen. I mean not that I actually don't think the phobia should scare you. In most cases, I think you should face your fears, right. I don't know something about that saying maybe you should listen. I don't know why I thought that, but maybe you were right to listen, not to judge yourself about that phobia.
Speaker 1:Could be, but I think you should get on a plane, though I think if you're scared of planes, I think you should face that fear. I think you're scared of certain things that are meant to make your life better and improve your life. I do think you should face those fears. But I don't think not cutting something for you know for that and someone else could do it. I don't think that's a big deal, but I do think it's interesting. If it would have made your life better to do that, then I wouldn't think you should not do it.
Speaker 2:Right. So if something like that prevented me, let's say, from using scissors that's an extreme example, but you know what I mean, right Then that would be a situation where the mental issue is actually keeping you back. You know, and you could. You know, you could apply that to people who have beautiful singing voices, but they just won't sing in front of people or play a piano.
Speaker 1:This is so interesting about this, the nodal phase that we're about to go through. And then, if you looked at the higher side of Virgo right that the importance of actually just making the effort, making small incremental changes, just making it a little better there's something right instead of having it hold you back. I mean, this is such an interesting conversation because the lower side would be that I can't, you would want to hide, you wouldn't want to do anything. It just kind of stops you from doing your daily activities. It's very interesting and that could be what people if they were to do. The lower side of what's going on it's like I just can't, so I'm not going to do it. But what we're supposed to be doing is believing we can and kind of taking, letting go and letting God and taking a chance and taking a risk and trusting that there's a higher purpose to it all.
Speaker 2:Right and, if you know, considering Virgo energy, they might say if I can't do it perfectly, then I won't do it, or I'm too afraid to do it because it's not if it's less than perfect. That's what I'm afraid of, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's the gift is, is that it's it's you don't. If you don't, yeah, that's perfect. If you don't, if you don't actually take the incremental steps, you can't improve. So you're never going to get perfect. And what is perfect anyway? Like, I keep going back to this like idea, like this criticalness of, like, what do you like? What's the critique? Right, if it's, I'm going to give you something. I'm going to say to you I don't like this about you. Well, I better know what I could tell you to do to improve it, or else I'm just there's no point for me even to critique you.
Speaker 2:Right, but yet the people have this, you know fear of being critiqued in a harsh way.
Speaker 1:You know, I think that you know, but we all we're all criticizing I mean most people, I don't care who you are, it's your relationships with people. You'll find moments where there's a criticism or there's a criticism of yourself, and so, if you, I'll say to you, if that voice is criticizing you even in your head, how important it is to say, well, okay, well, that's not really helpful, like, what could I do to improve it?
Speaker 2:that's not really helpful. Like what could I do to improve it right and not to be overwhelmed by it, so overwhelmed that you're afraid of it?
Speaker 1:yeah, and I keep on going back to that 12th house right, because we're both this 12th house of hiding from it or like getting so numb, of like this idea that you you'd rather just stay home and watch Netflix and close the door. You have to go out into the world and take a step.
Speaker 2:Yep, and that's again that would be. That's an issue for people like us, whereas another person might not know what we're talking about. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think everybody we're talking about because they would be I don't know. I think everybody, we're all go. So this is where I go back to the sky and how everybody. Okay, I keep on going back to this because I were in some places. People are saying we're already at the next stage of the nodal shift, and I actually don't think so.
Speaker 1:I actually don't think it shifts till the end of January, based on whatever I'm seeing and also how I'm feeling, cause now I'm feeling much more about the, the importance of right, like okay, so the last 18 months, it was like, are you going to like live, are you going to just keep on giving what everyone else wants and just you're going to suffer?
Speaker 1:And are you going to keep on doing everything else to make the relationship work and hang on by a thread and just have very codependent relationships and be so desperate to have anybody in your life that you're willing to do everything against your own will? And then this, what you're supposed to have been able to do is really have be learned to be brave, kind of be courageous, stand out into your stepping stone. Be learned to be brave, kind of be courageous, stand out into your stepping stone. Now everybody's being is being asked to go through that period at the same exact time and start to see where they're projecting on, where they, if they're looking at anyone outside themselves to see what's wrong with them, how really they have to mirror it and see what's going on with them. Now, that's true with everybody. So even if you were a very able to be selfish and self-absorbed and Aries and very energetic and in your face, those people are still having to figure out if they're doing it at the highest level.
Speaker 2:And that's.
Speaker 1:That's a shadow issue, I think right, because it's all it was very, very shadow and you saw like if you even watch the news right, you see how much everybody's projecting out about and I keep on wondering like is it going to change in February? Because everyone's projecting about everybody else? And then in February I'm like, okay, is it going to change? Is it all of a sudden going to be just much more critical? We're going to just find fault with everybody, and but I think everyone's going through this. So I'll say be careful of the critic. That's the message. Cause that critic. If you're don't want to improve something, it's not really helpful.
Speaker 1:Right and everybody will be going through this right. There's no. No one's going to be spared it and everybody will be going through this right.
Speaker 2:There's no, no one's going to be spared. It right, and everyone's going to have to find some bravery bravery within them to to believe yeah like that's like the.
Speaker 1:I keep on wondering, like, do you look more at the positive of like what the positive is like? I'll say to you, we both also have this in a very high way, where we both, again, are very able to connect to the higher power, to a higher divinity, to know that we're one with the divine. So do we, do we focus more on improving the habit of the critic, or do we focus more on having the energy of knowing that we're divine, or both?
Speaker 2:yeah, did you find a lot? Of pull about your relationships and needing to stand on your own two feet in the last 18 months yeah, I mean I, I, I think I pulled away from a lot of relationships, either quickly or slowly, but they just don't fit with me anymore. So it's not even being critical of anybody or anything.
Speaker 1:We weren't in that stage? Yet we were not in that stage, thank God. You took care of yourself. You put your life vest on.
Speaker 2:Right, and again, I don't have any regrets about moving forward, but that's where you can get. It can feel a little frightening when you're doing things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think it's. I'm very proud of you for being true to your gut and having courage, because that takes a lot of courage to change relationships. Yeah, it's almost easier to stay in unhealthy relationships.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, Right Like I, yes because it's familiar, you know it's, even though it's not. You know it's not right, you know it's not healthy, but it's familiar and that's that's the hard thing to break through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my daughter was just noticing, so it was so funny. She said like and I very, very karmic. This is very karmic. Either people were getting married or they're getting divorced or separated. So, like, a lot of people broke up and stopped dating each other right at the end of the cycle, and so it's like, or they're deciding to commit to each other, so it is. It's a very interesting thing to watch how the sky affects us in our daily lives and then to use it to benefit us.
Speaker 2:Because it wants. It wants the best for us. Anyway, it's, you know, it's, it's. We're supported by it, we're we're loved. Yeah, we're held up by them. You know so, you know so. That makes me feel so much more secure. I mean, that just provides me with so much assurance.
Speaker 1:What you're loved right, knowing that there's like this, there's something above us that's higher than us, whether it be the sky, or maybe God or the divine, or whatever you want to call it. Is that what you mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Astrology is grounding, like, in a sense, like church in a way.
Speaker 2:Yes, even more than church, because it's physical. You know, churches are to me more mental and spiritual right, but mental in the sense that you're sharing stories and beliefs verbally or through the written word, or it's handed down, and that's great. But with the planets, they're, they're very real, they're. You know, you, it's inarguable that we're on earth, in a solar system spinning around the sun, and that there are energies emanating from these celestial bodies interacting with each other and us. And if that's the case, then we're part of it, we're within it. So we're not standing outside of it and observing it as much as we're swimming in it.
Speaker 1:I know, but most okay. But yeah, this is an interesting, this is fascinating because, yes, that's true, and we are so affected by the sun and by the moon and by the planets, but yet we're going through life and that's we feel so alone. I mean, you thought it was so interesting because you said something about being lonely and I think, once you do know that the moon is there to support you, or the sun is there to support you, you really don't feel as lonely. I think this is such an interesting thought but you don't know that, like, maybe you should know that, but you don't.
Speaker 1:A lot of times you have to find that because you, you know it's like you find that it's like a search. There is something with the church, right, people or religion. People usually go well because they're either trained to go or because they're missing something, and so usually I guess, even with astrology or learning about the stars, I would guess that most people don't learn about that or else they're missing something it's a shame that we're not taught this at a young age or given the option to consider it.
Speaker 2:Even you know that, that our, our perspective should shift a little so that we do feel like we're in relationship with the planets.
Speaker 1:That's I think so. Could you imagine? So we go to school. This is great, I have the greatest thing. So, because I do this for my kids, like I actually warn them before like a certain moons, I'm like, okay, this is how you're going to feel, or you could feel this way, so just be aware. But imagine this I go to school and they're like, hey, it's an Aries moon, take a, be brave, take a risk. It's a Taurus moon. What do you value? Or hey, it's a Gemini moon. Let's all talk a little bit more today. Right, how amazing that would be if we could see the calendar and we would watch the moon phases or the moon signs, or even just the sun. Right, did you feel the difference when the sun went from Cap? So I felt a huge difference in someone. From Capricorn to Aquarius, there was a. I could take a breath. Yep, I was less tired, I felt more energetic and I could you imagine?
Speaker 2:Maybe that's the deal, maybe we have to have it be in our calendars.
Speaker 1:I think, that would be great Again it would be Universe, and maybe it'll be.
Speaker 2:Maybe, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if one day that happened, because there's more and more. Well, I think there's so many shifts going on that a lot of people are searching right. The foundational beliefs that were adequate for us for centuries are gone. You know, they're just, they don't hold the same power as they did, for better or worse. So I think that leaves a lot of people feeling existentially insecure, right?
Speaker 1:Ungrounded. Ungrounded in a way right Like right. I actually believe we're in an age now. I believe we are literally in the age of Aquarius, like about a year ago I kept thinking age of Aquarius and I think some people don't think so. But do you think we're in the? I mean, I believe we are literally in the age of Aquarius. I don't know what you feel, but if that's the thing, I would think that we're in the age of Aquarius.
Speaker 2:I definitely feel that there's a major, major shift happening, and I listen to people say that it's not going to be for another 200 years and this, and that I don't know where it falls. But I'm certainly feeling it and I you know, I think we all are.
Speaker 1:You see, the. What I thought was so interesting is you're seeing representations of freedom, like I mean, aquarius is about freedom, right, the freedom from constraint of government or the freedom of constraint of big business, right, this freedom to the freedom to not have a label, right, the freedom to, you know, not be put into a box, right. So there's something very interesting about it and you're seeing this all across the world, right, like there's toppling of regimens, like of societies, and it feels very, very Aquarian and a very group effort, really Like this idea that the humans could come together and change the world. And they are. I mean, they're doing it in very many industries, they're doing it. You know, the farmers are doing it in certain countries, right, so people are freedom. I mean, let freedom ring.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I think you're right. There's because of that it it does feel like the dawning of big change, and I think people are saying to themselves wait a second, this isn't really right. Wait, I've been told that this is right, but it's really not. I don't like it. We can do better, and why aren't we? I think everybody's having that conversation and if everybody is having that conversation, at some point it's going to reach a critical mass and that's where the real Aquarian energy kicks in, I think, because then that's people power, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then if you think about it, then I think this is so genius, right. I think they go back to like having to understand what it means in the sky, and then the critical question of it if it's not right, how can we make it better? Oh my God. And then you trust in that faith in God, in that faith in God, and then those nodes then go backwards into Aquarius in 18 months of like. Now we're all being asked again to do another whole level and it's like I think we're there, I think we're on the brink of something so big and so beautiful and so magical and and I think it's so interesting because we're we're using the internet or using the podcast and sharing maybe something different. That's not who knows, who knows, but it's very Aquarian to me, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:What we're doing here is Aquarian, for sure you know the technology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I mean. It's a collective unconscious awakening, but I think it's just beginning to stir now, you know. But it's going to reach again. It's going to reach a boiling point or an inflection point, whatever you want to call it, where the match is struck and I think, you know, with Uranus in the picture moving into Gemini, that's a major move. That's where, I think, sudden, sudden changes based on ideas, I think, and mindset, exactly so. It's a mental, I think it's a mental idea about, you know, rights, rights of the individual, rights of the people, foundational things that cannot be questioned, cannot be argued. It's just this is how we behave, this is how we treat each other, this is how we think of each other, because we're all in this together. That kind of awakening where we can get together and make the impossible happen and we're not dependent on our overlords or some. You know.
Speaker 1:I think that's amazing, I think I think I keep on going back to this idea how important it is if we are a collective unconscious because I really believe, covid, like I was like that is totally a collective consciousness that that happened, right, like there was just anger.
Speaker 1:I mean that was like a very angry virus, right, like it was. Just it felt angry to me. Right, there was like this anger and people were so angry. It was like this collective consciousness and so it's so important as a collective to get to a peaceful state within ourselves, right, so we become the change we want to see, right Kind of thing. And how important that mind is and to be so careful with what you put into your mind. I mean, everything that you were saying was so true and so brilliant goes back to that mind and how we better be taking care of our own mind, because we can't control what happens outside of ourselves, but we can control as a collective to make sure we're being as high as possible not drugs, high like not alcohol, but high as in connected to something higher than ourselves and our responsibility for humanity.
Speaker 2:I think yeah, and I, I am feeling, uh, I'm feeling future oriented and I know that's a querying too I'm feeling optimistic about the possibilities of, of what can be. That's a change in my mindset and I think, oh, you've not always been like this, Not so much because there have been times where I thought that that, you know, it seems like the world is so dark and these issues are insurmountable. You know, how do we, how are we ever going to get out of this?
Speaker 1:Okay, this is and this is so funny because people always ask me like, like well, why? And I'm like I don't know, like I think that's the trick is to keep on thinking I don't know, but I know anything and everything's possible, right? Like I don't know how that could be solved, but I don't know, no one knows, right, because maybe we only could see what we've seen before, and so we possibly will have experiences that we've never seen before, and maybe they'll be really beautiful. So yeah, so grateful for your positivity and it's again.
Speaker 2:The planets are showing us the way out and the way forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah the planets are showing us a way not to be. You know, I go back to feeling caged, right Like that other side of Aquarius is feeling so caged, so conformist, so needing approval, right Like, and to break free from that need to be, have anyone approve anything, just kind of be radically authentically, whatever we are in that moment without freedom, I mean let freedom. I wonder how much, like I wish you look at martin luther king's chart and see if he's very aquarian. I have to go now look at that and see, because I I think he's a, he's probably very Aquarian now.
Speaker 2:Do you know? Yes, I, yes, I. I always believed that he was. Because he was. All his themes were about. You know, he wanted to lift everybody up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm looking it up. I'm not being rude to you, I just have to see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, he's a perfect example of an aquarian leader and you know, I I think of him like a jupiterian leader too right, like this, like idea of like anything and everything, oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So, oh, he had a mercury, if yeah, so his mercury was in a. Look at us, look at his mind, his talking, how he speaks, was very was Aquarius, wow? And he was, he was, you know and it's on his midheaven, so he was here, right? Is it his midheaven, right? He was here to wow, to have our thinking and our thoughts and be out in the world, speaking in a very various way and changing our thoughts of how things are supposed to be and shaking it up, boy.
Speaker 2:Speaking to the better parts of ourselves. That's why he was so inspiring. That's why he was a spiritual leader that caused such political upheaval. Right, he wasn't strictly political. He was coming from political at all.
Speaker 1:He was more it was. I had a dream and I exactly there was no okay, there was no talk about like ropes around us. It was like I had a dream and everyone was right, was equal, everyone was could do anything they wanted to do. It was based on how you responded, right, didn't he say that? Like it was based on, not by what your color of your skin is, by the actions you are taking. Oh, I love him. Oh, I love him. What a purely.
Speaker 1:Aquarian. I didn't even think about this, but he's so, aquarius, he's a great. He would be a great example of somebody to follow with his words.
Speaker 2:That's why we need a spiritual leader Now. We need somebody like that, who can.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, talk to the better parts of huh. But I don't think so. I think okay, I think talk to the better parts of huh, but I don't think so. I think okay, I think we're at a point where we better be doing it ourselves, because I you go back to, like that 12th, sixth house and this idea that you could get very caught up in representing somebody that's a guru or something that you should follow and be above you right right putting someone else on the pedestal, and I think there's a message here.
Speaker 1:I think, if each person individually right to find those kinds of words of hope and and really with themselves, because I don't know, I don't know if it comes from other people, I I think it has to come. Yes, there could be a leader, but the world will be careful with what you believe the leader is, because I'll say yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't mean a leader in the sense that they're all powerful and they're dictating, and to us, not like that, Someone who's who speaks and articulates what is inside us. Not like that. Someone who speaks and articulates what is inside us, who expresses the awakening consciousness of what's going on right now. So a spokesperson would be probably the better word, Somebody that could like a poet who could distill this Like Rumi.
Speaker 1:He had a very Aquarius. I love Rumi. Do you love Rumi?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it could be, you know, it could be Dylan or who knows, it could be anybody that is able, I think music has a way to have this Aquarian energy right.
Speaker 1:I'll bet you a lot of musicians have their Aquarius kind of, or when they're writing it's very Aquarian. Yeah, I think it's very interesting, but I will say that everyone's possible, I don't know. There's something about taking on the responsibility for ourselves of our thoughts matter.
Speaker 2:Right and there have been a lot of group movements already, like Black Lives Matter. That was a group movement at Occupy Wall Street. That was groupthink.
Speaker 1:OK, I goes back. I think that's not necessarily that, but groupthink is, I think, a problem Not necessarily Black Lives Matter Right think a problem, not necessarily black lives matter right but this idea that because once you start to group think, there's this idea that you're I don't know, I don't know, I guess I think part of a group to make things better but be willing to have a independent. I think querious is much more about independent energy thought where you could come together and accepting of people's differences more.
Speaker 2:Right, absolutely agree. But to make change, I think you need a lot of people getting together, because change is not going to happen on its own. You have to fight for it.
Speaker 1:I think it's a very interesting thing because, yes, you're right, but I think this whole group, I think what's a very interesting thing because, yes, you're right, but I think this whole group, I think what's interesting is is that it is changing, life is changing and there's independent voices. Yeah, it's going to be interesting, but, yeah, it's very groupie, but it's not. I think there's something. It's yes, you're right, the group changes the dynamics, but the group has a bunch of individuals because Exactly and they can keep their.
Speaker 2:I mean, they don't have to sign an O, they don't have to wear certain clothes, nothing like that, but they have to. They have to be supportive of the same ideals, common ideals.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then fight for them. You know, make the change based on values, values, shared values.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting, yeah, but also why it's going to be very interesting to see and how group effort is. I guess the only way you make a change is if you all make a change. But yeah, yeah, it's very interesting about like wanting to be, because it's almost the opposite of being accepted, though I think there's something so interesting about the energy if you really think about it, and I think you look at martin luther king and he he wasn't accepted by a lot of people, right so, although he's, a leader which he was.
Speaker 1:I mean I looked, he was a capricorn son. He was very much a leader. There was a leader which he was. I mean I looked, he was a Capricorn sun.
Speaker 2:He was very much a leader there was a lot of people that really didn't want him to speak up, right Within his community and outside of his community. Even within his community, he within his community, there was pressure for him not to push the envelope too far, like to not go as far as he did. So he had to again this is Aquarian energy go outside of the acceptable boundaries or the boundaries that he was, you know, encouraged to stay within. He stepped outside of them and that's where the the I think, the lonely factor is, because that's when he had to decide for himself. I, you know, if I do this, I know that I'm not going to have everyone's back, I know that I'm going to be maybe shunned from my, my tribe, from doing this, but I'm going to do it anyway. That's remarkable.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He was really a.
Speaker 1:I say we miss him. In a day there's been very few people like him, like very few leaders. I think that have have been such, have been such a beautiful, I mean it. It's funny because it's more like I forgot, like we're actually in martin luther king day and um was, yeah, what a special man.
Speaker 1:So I'll say yeah I I'm glad we honor him. It's kind of really great that we honor someone that was so bright and so such a true leader, and maybe we will get back to a state of finding our oneness and our appreciation for each other and not feeling separate an example of one man making such profound changes.
Speaker 2:I mean, and in the sense that Martin Luther King is carried in everyone's heart. You know, everybody knows who he is and what he represents and what he was about and what he wanted to do. I think that's. But.
Speaker 1:I wonder I have I wonder, I actually wonder back in the day like I don't know right. I wonder back in the day what I don't know, I think, what was happening when it was going on right.
Speaker 1:Like it's easy for now us to look at it and say, wow, martin Luther King, great king, great, great man, right, he stood for peace and love all over back to my childhood of like hearing that which is so beautiful peace and love all over this land I just don't know. I mean I wonder how society felt. I mean I'm sure that they were not happy with that radical change and that radical ideas. I mean this is so interesting. I never thought about, like that, what it would be like back in the day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was, he was, you know, he died for his beliefs, he was always under threat and he knew that. You know? That's that's. I can't imagine what it would be like to live that way. And he knew it. And of course, there was huge amounts of pushback, violence, everything you can imagine. Uh, so no, it wasn't like he just made a speech and suddenly everybody was enlightened. That's not what happened at all. But I'm saying now, looking back, and today you know, despite all that conflict, and he's, he's triumphed.
Speaker 1:And he, you know his triumph is it gets better and better with age. It's the more we could really look back at it and the more we could see it it the more we could really appreciate what he did for our society right and I think people carry that around within them yeah, because I mean, that's like the whole.
Speaker 1:that is what we talked about, right, this unconscious ability to once. It's said, it's like once, that, once that like four minute miles broken, there's a possibility for it right. Or once he gave that speech and people heard it, it's in all of our consciousness, it's like we are all, we are all connected and it's, yeah, it is interesting that he had to die for such a beautiful If, maybe, by maybe, his death too was actually for the highest good, so that he, we didn't forget him.
Speaker 1:you ever see that like a lot of really special humans seem to leave us way too early yeah, they made their, they made the ultimate sacrifice yeah, anyway, and so interesting because I'm like obsessed with David Foster Wallace and he was very Aquarius and I I always go back to.
Speaker 1:I almost wish he like worked with an astrologer in a sense that he would understand that it was okay that he didn't fit into a box, that he didn't think like everybody else thought and it was. I could see the conflict with him, as he was like learning and getting somewhere else, and this conflict of like this is too like I can't do this right, like it's too lonely over there, right, but he needed that, he needed to think differently and he did, but it also hurt him. So it's just so interesting of how important it is to think for ourselves and try to understand what you believe and not be told what to believe maybe.
Speaker 2:Right and that it requires a little bit of will and effort and bravery to pass through that. You know to go through each level of understanding to where you begin at. You know completely closed off and not open and not understanding that there are alternatives to what you were taught to. You know glimmerings of possibilities and then being curious about it, and then you know pursuing it further and the more that you do that, the more you're you're breaking away from your tribe.
Speaker 2:You know the further you're going, not everybody is coming along with you, you know and ultimately, when you keep going, you're, I think, the only one making the decisions, and that's the way it should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you okay, I was just like literally just said this to my daughter the only person that has to deal with the consequences of any action you have is you, so you better know what you're doing and why you're doing it and what it, and no one could tell you what to do or how you should do it. There. It's a very interesting wow. This was beautiful and I just love this. The layers of like I keep on thinking how about if I knew nothing? Like if I woke up today and I didn't think I knew anything? God, this is that's hard for me. What would I learn?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:I didn't know anything anything.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting thought experiment, like what impressions would you have at first and what would your misunderstandings be about what was going on? You know, I mean, if you came at it from like a childhood, I'm sure you would be.
Speaker 1:In wonder, I mean I wonder a lot Like. Imagine if I was like four and I saw snow for the first time, right, oh my God. And so many people are seeing snow for the first time, right? Oh, yes. And so many people are seeing snow for the first time, right?
Speaker 1:Oh yes, but if you're older, you could be like, oh, this is so annoying, this is so hard, I can't go to work. But oh my God, imagine if you're four and you're like oh my God, this is amazing. What is this? This is from heaven. Yeah, I like that. I actually I think there's something in my. This is actually what I'm supposed to be practicing in my life. Is that childhood ability to connect to this childhood wonder, this creativity?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what. What a beautiful quality to have you know, to really believe that snow is magic. It's just, that's what it is, it's just magic.
Speaker 1:And I'm Jewish and I believe in santa. And so my kids are like, well, I don't, I really am jewish and I really believe in, I really believe in santa. And they're like, what do you mean? You can't believe in santa? I'm like, but I need the magic of the idea of what santa stands for, that you know that who knows like there's like. You know you go to home, good, the home, you know home alone, and the kid at the end of the movie. You ever watch that movie, the one in New York where at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1:There's like so many presents underneath the Christmas tree and we don't know how they're going to possibly get there. It doesn't make any sense. Was it Santa? It was the guy from the toy store, but it happened. I mean, it was a movie, but it did happen.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, santa to me is Jupiter, so it's, that's Jupiter.
Speaker 1:I never thought about it. It's all.
Speaker 2:Jupiter, yes, wait, oh my God. Santa Claus is this large, jolly optimistic being who just gives presents Lots and lots, and lots, endless. Whatever you want, it's all yours.
Speaker 1:It's Jupiter. Oh, my God, I love it. I love it. And you can really see Jupiter, right, do you see this? Like Jupiter has been very bright, right, they're all lining up this week. I think, am I right? Yep, jupiter, yeah, it expands things. Oh, I think, am I right? Yep, jupiter, yeah, it expands things. Oh, my god, santa, wait, thank you, that is so fun. Well, I love Jupiter too, then, and I believe in Jupiter and I believe anything I don't know. There's something about knowing you go to sleep and that everything could be a little different tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I can remember being very little and proving to myself that there was Santa Claus because of the cookies and milk that he left at the kitchen table. He didn't eat the entire cookie. There was some cookie left and he didn't drink all of his milk, so of course, that was all the proof I needed to prove that there was Santa Claus.
Speaker 1:Well, you're going to hear something so embarrassing. My daughter will kill me if I tell you, but my oldest, I'm going to tell you, whoever listens will hear it. But she really believed in Santa, for like, and we are Jewish, but this is the funniest part and she literally would go on the bus and she is like Mom. I think she was old I mean I'm not even telling you how old she was and she's like listen, mom. It's embarrassing at this point If it's not real. If it's, if it's not real, I need to know. Because I'm really embarrassed at this point.
Speaker 1:And I thought and she was old, I mean she was really old. I mean this is what's interesting. I am so sorry she just was. And I said I will tell you one time, just one time, cause like I need to believe in it and it's not good at you. I will tell you one time because I I, at that point I felt like maybe I was lying to her Right In sense of, and I did. And then that was the last time I was like and we will never talk about this again. But it was something about I think she was embarrassed because everyone was telling her one thing and she really did believe.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then in some ways you're like well, what's true and what's not true? Is my mom, Like my mom's, lying now at this point? But to me it wasn't a lie. It really was just this idea that it was magical and mystical and maybe that we need that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Wouldn't it be great if just everybody just believed in Santa Claus.
Speaker 1:Or believed in like that anything and everything was possible, or tomorrow totally different, or that. You know, this is actually very interesting, that like if you're sick, like my mother was sick, and my mother didn't believe she was sick. She was like I'm not sick and she got better. I mean she did get better and I and I keep on wondering if she believed she was sick and I'm not saying it's just an interesting thing of what we believe.
Speaker 2:Right, yep, if she believed she was and I'm not saying, it's just an interesting thing of what we believe, right?
Speaker 1:yep, yeah, very mind. The mind is um super powerful, powerful, powerful piece of equipment that we all have. And, uh well, and maybe you're santa, who knows? You kind of look like santa I've got. Maybe I'm becoming santa, yeah just don't put on any weight, you know, you know, like yeah well, that's.
Speaker 2:That's why I have to keep heading to the gym, because I am feeling more and more like santa in that way. And of course, jupiter is in gemini, so of course I'm going to expand.
Speaker 1:So well, that's actually. I got so mad at somebody because I was like they were saying how it goes through and I was like that's so not true and it doesn't have to be true, but it is interesting. It does expand things. You just have to be conscious of that, right? Yeah, I'll say to you you may, you look like Santa in the most jolliest ways.
Speaker 2:Santa could look, because there's something so loving and sweet and safe about him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's. That's Jupiter energy. Yeah Well, I think we're all meant to be a little more Jupiterian and our mind is supposed to be a little more Jupiterian, right? This is so interesting and it's going to be very fascinating to see what happens in the next couple of years. But I know we're going to be here together and and maybe it'll make people's life a little better, since we do know how how hard it could be right, right and that you know big changes are coming.
Speaker 2:But we know that they are coming, so we don't have to be that thrown off. We can. We can prepare for them and be more willing to deal with it, because the planets were signaling that this is how it's going to unfold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and maybe that's the message is that it's okay to not know where it's going, but with each moment, take a breath, not need it to be different than it is Right, just keep on. You know whether you want to change or not. It's not really up to you, and I think if you, whether you want the world to change or the people around you to change, you can't control it. So you might as well let go and let God Right, exactly, and ride it, ride with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, flow with it. Well, it's so fun to flow with you because I never know what we're going to talk about, and it's just a blessing to know you. And I guess it's a blessing that anyone would listen to our grouping podcast or our message. And if you do, I hope you like it and I hope you say thank you and just let us know how you feel. So I thank you very much, phil, for being with me and I thank you for spending time with me and sharing this time, because it's it makes me so happy oh it's.
Speaker 2:It makes such a difference in my life. I enjoy it on a, on a, on many levels, but it's, it's deeply rewarding. So thank you, thank you.