Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
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Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
Unlocking Your Genius: Overcoming Self-Doubt & Finding Your Flow
Join Courtney and Phil in this insightful and deeply personal conversation as they explore the power of creativity, overcoming self-doubt, and finding your true passion. Phil shares his journey with an animation desk from Fox Studios and his desire to create graphic novels. They delve into the importance of daily creative habits, the wisdom of 'The Artist's Way,' and the challenges of sharing your unique vision with the world. In this episode, you'll discover: The importance of embracing your creative flow and letting go of self-criticism. How societal pressures and limiting beliefs can hinder your potential. The power of intuition and connecting with your inner genius. The inspiring story of JK Rowling and the courage to pursue your dreams. The importance of asking probing questions, and thinking about what thinking really is. A discussion on David Foster Wallaces "This is Water" speech. (Link Below) Courtney and Phil discuss the importance of being heroes in their own story, and not victims of society
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David Foster Wallace Speech:
https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=D41gXoihRPsA3Rf3
Hi Courtney.
Speaker 2:Hi Phil, so nice to see you.
Speaker 1:Very nice to see you.
Speaker 2:How are you? It's such a beauty. I love how you look like you're in an artist's studio today.
Speaker 1:An artist you are from Fox Studios from the 90s. They opened up an animation studio in Arizona for a while and I fortunately got my hands on this when the studio closed.
Speaker 2:Are you serious? That's very, very, very cool. So do you use it to create art?
Speaker 1:Not as much as I would like, but I'm surrounding myself with inspirational things and I have my pencils and pens, and so it's something that I want to spend more time on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so interesting because I daily habits right Of, like what daily habits you have, and I keep on going back to the artist way and somebody just said that a singer acknowledged the artist's way for getting her inspiration again. So do you know what the artist's way is?
Speaker 1:Oh yes, it's a fantastic book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all about spending time in the morning creating and just allowing yourself to free hand and write. But maybe you should be the artist and just sit 10 minutes and just color or draw or do what you do yeah, I have some ideas for graphic novels, so I would like to write and draw.
Speaker 1:Wait really stories that I have in my head, but I just haven't wait, I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give you a challenge. Okay, that maybe the next time we do this class together, right, we do Toastmasters and we have to give speeches, and this year, this time, you actually used a drawing or a picture. Maybe you could draw us like. Maybe in your, in your presentation, you could use a drawing and include that into your speech.
Speaker 1:That is a great idea and that's pushing me in a really great direction. Pressure, that's wonderful, yeah, wonderful. Well, because I was thinking what do you want?
Speaker 2:right, like you just said, you want what you. It's actually interesting. I was, I've been writing these little bloggy things and my question today was what do you want? And you said I would like to do graphic novelists. But then, and then what? The next question was okay, if you would say you want something. Well, what's one action that you could do towards it?
Speaker 1:Right, and even just doodling and scratching things out and coming up with little episodes which I'm trying not to put pressure on myself or start editing and start using a critical eye on all of this. I just want to get it all down and do it in a sloppy stream of consciousness way and then later see if I can connect the dots.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the artist way see if I can connect the dots. Yeah, the artist's way and sometimes, you know, I think what's so beautiful about art is the person that's looking at the art also connects the dots in their own way. So that flow of consciousness of this, I go back to that. Most people that are creating, creating art, I go back to that. Most people that are creating art, whether it be writers or musicians or painters, there's some inspiration, this ability to get inspiration from the divine, from above, and so maybe the human that wants to connect it so much and make it understood is actually, you know, making it smaller than it could be. And my guess is, knowing you, you can overthink things. Oh, yes absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's probably much better than you give it credit for. Well, I maybe one day I'll I'll run by my, my story idea with you and you can give me feedback.
Speaker 2:I don't know and I can tell you what you could ask me, because I will say to you I'll be very open-minded, but be careful with okay, I'm going to give you some advice, cause you know, because you didn't ask me, but I'll say this is for anyone that's listening when you have a really good idea, it might be really really good, and outside, people are going to project their own issues on it, or their own beliefs, and sometimes the greatest art. Okay, do we know this? Do we talk about this? The story of Dirty Dancing, where they the everyone that saw the movie that was in the movie business said that it was worthless. They should just put it right to video.
Speaker 2:And could you imagine if they believe them? And so, yes, maybe you could ask me, and I will be my highest self, but I'll say, be careful with with your genius allowing other people's small mindedness to block you, cause if you believe it's great, somehow, I do believe that other people will think it's great. And if you I don't know those naysayers I'll say be careful, I won't be a naysayer, I promise, but be careful who you share your genius with.
Speaker 1:I'll say you know what? I think you bring up a good point, because my idea is definitely oddball, but because it's so high concept, pulling together some different things that aren't normally in the mix, you might be right that if I shared it, people might say that's not really commercial, or people won't understand you, or they're going to think that you've got some big personality disorders that you might not be with Anyhow. You're absolutely right, personality disorders that you might not be with, right Anyhow. You're absolutely right. Yeah, but think about it.
Speaker 2:The greatest artists. A lot of times were, and not that this is happening for you, but sometimes the greatest artists weren't actually appreciated in their time, right. It's like they were way ahead of their time and so if they hadn't created it because someone told them that it might not work, could you imagine how much we would have missed out on so many geniuses?
Speaker 1:Yeah, think about the author that you admire so much. You know that we just discussed.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we were talking about David Foster Wallace, who I had, not as an author, but as a as a human living the human experience and being very upfront about his wounds and his pains. And then 20 years, he gave a speech called this is Water. I think we should insert into the YouTube like the link. It is the most brilliant speech in the whole world and I think 20 years later, 20 years later, it's so true, I mean it's so relevant where I think maybe it went over people's head. I mean people knew they loved it, but I think it might have gone over people's heads the first time around.
Speaker 1:I'm going to add that link.
Speaker 2:Yeah, add that link and I'll see if I could add that link. I'm not I don't know how talented I am, but it is. It is through YouTube and it really he was a very Aquarius mind, right. He had a lot of Aquarius energy, this ability to think out of the box and think bigger picture, and I even think when he gave the speech people weren't understanding it Like he. He made a comment like you're really not understanding what I'm saying. If you're laughing, you're not really understanding what I'm saying. I think, although it was so famous and so popular, he couldn't even embody it. He couldn't even like live that out. But I do think we're ready to. I think we're ready to kind of see things in a different way.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm so glad that you recommended it and I can't wait yeah, this this is this, it's this.
Speaker 2:I actually have the book. Do I have the book? Do you do you? Do you know? David Foster Wallace? Oh it's, this is water thanks thoughts delivered on a significant occasion about living a compassionate life, and he talks about what it means to think.
Speaker 1:That's a big, a big theme to explore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like what it's interesting. Right, I used to take a class where it was like all about thinking. But what is thinking? Like what is thinking? Are you thinking the same things that you always think? That's not really thinking? Then that's knowing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, and it thinking is. You know, thinking is tied to our survival. We have to think, and you know, and we always have to, I think, do it well and I think we're always learning and becoming better thinkers, but when does that become self-limiting? And you know you mentioned.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's not thinking, that's the word and maybe it's questioning Like what is thinking? Like what is thinking? I mean, what is the definition of thinking? I don't even know.
Speaker 1:And can you? Can you be a victim of your own thinking?
Speaker 2:And I think you can you know, oh yeah, and can it keep you really small. Now let's say, if you, but think about this, say if you, I'm going to use you, since it's all about you today no, not really, but it's all about me because I'm talking so much but let's say that your beautiful soul doesn't believe your genius, hypothetically speaking, and you're your genius. And then there's a part of you that thinks you're not smart enough. I don't know if that's you, but somebody else right. So let's say anybody.
Speaker 2:If you're not typical in school, right, where you're like this very smart person, then over the years people will you don't think you're smart because I could say it for myself when I was a little girl. Younger, I had learning stuff and I was not a great student, and so I actually would question my intelligence a lot. And so there's parts of me still that thinks oh, I'm not so smart and that little voice could be considered thinking. But that's actually not thinking, that's a belief system. That's not true about me. And then, if I believe it, I'll have outside people reaffirming that for me. So I don't know. There's something so interesting about what we believe about ourselves and that thinking mind. Is it really a thinking mind or is it a habitual mind? That's my question to you.
Speaker 1:Right, and I think everyone's a genius, you know, in their own particular way, own particular way. But at the same time, I can feel like I can be self-limiting in my thinking, and I think, you know, overcoming that self-limitation is an ongoing goal of mine and I think it's something that I will always have to be aware of. And you know, Courtney, you're so good at catching me when you know I'm not aware that my thinking sometimes can be narrow when it shouldn't. I wonder if it's, maybe not.
Speaker 2:I was thinking this, but maybe it's not our thinking, maybe it's our. I've been thinking, oh god, I'm gonna say something really controversial here. I it's okay, no, but this is gonna make me. This is actually very interesting because I've been really thinking about it.
Speaker 2:So, so you're a white male and I'll say that the idea that is that you're privileged I'm just being honest with you that you're privileged I keep going back to this is that somebody is a white male.
Speaker 2:And if you're a 20 year old white male and that you believe that you're privileged and you were raised believing you're privileged, right, and that you're a 20 year old white male and that you believe that you're privileged and you were raised believing you're privileged, right, and that you're, that you shouldn't feel so much pain or you should, you, it's easy for you. And yet I'll say the highest rate of suicides are young white males, right by by far right, white males in general. And that that voice that is so difficult is in everybody, and I don't think it matters if you're a female, a male, if you're, what color skin you have. Anyway, I just think it's so interesting because I think that people don't think men have that as much as women have that. But you're saying you have that. So I just I've been thinking a lot about that, so it's interesting that you said that.
Speaker 1:I had no idea about that statistic, courtney.
Speaker 2:Oh it's it's, it's a huge, it's most, um, do you know, like I don't think in, I don't think black, I don't think that, I don't think. I'm pretty sure actually that um, it's very rare for other races to kill themselves as much as white. Is that? Yes, white in male, much more so males than females, but I think that something with social media might change, and more with girls, but I do believe it's a much higher rate for boys yeah, I, so I who would know?
Speaker 1:who would think that Because we're taught, or we're told that it's easy to be a boy, Right, and it goes back to my, my fascination with the idea that we can never actually know what's going on in another person's mind, actually know what's going on in another person's mind. So I've been around people who have taken their own lives and that I never once thought that that was within a possibility, because they seemed, you know, conversational and nobody close to me has ever done that. But I have discovered as I get older that many of those people attempted to do that and I again, I wasn't aware until after the fact.
Speaker 2:Was it mostly men.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what I'm talking about, men.
Speaker 2:And what age I mean? I think it's getting older now, but I do believe back in the day it was in the 20s.
Speaker 1:It was like in between, yes, 20s 30s, definitely, and I think everybody has to go through those difficult decades to really know who they are and find themselves. But in addition to that, I think that there's certain expectations made of men white men, black men, but men I think white men kind of absorb a lot of it because there are expectations made of them, and those expectations include conforming and not, you know, acting out or sharing a possible weakness, or being emotional about something or being feeling like you have wounds. Even to bring that up is not.
Speaker 2:It's kind of verboten, yeah, and yet you don't think that and they're not taught. I mean, in some ways, this idea that that boys and girls are different and they, I think they are different in some ways Right, but I also think that the emotions are probably the same, right, you have the same fears, the same anxieties, and you're right. I think girls much more talk about it versus boys, and maybe from a very young age they're taught not to talk about it. Be a big, strong man, I mean right. I mean think about the words, right, be you know, don't, don't feel, don't talk about your feelings. It's not, it's not masculine.
Speaker 1:Right. So for men growing up, is it, is it innate that they want to drive fast and drink a lot and get into trouble, and is it, is it part of their nature or is it also part of a cultural norm that?
Speaker 2:Well, and now you're, you're, you're shutting up the boy You're not even letting the boy talk about their you're not saying, hey, let's, let's question this whole identity thing, right, let's let's have boys talk about their feelings. You're saying you know it's easy to be a boy and you guys are so lucky. You're just, you're born a boy, so it's so easy and you're so lucky. So now I think it's going to be even harder for that young male to then have a feeling, because how dare them feel a certain way? I mean question that like think about it. Like even back when you were growing up, that was, you couldn't share your feelings. But how about if you were now and you were 10 years old?
Speaker 1:I would wish when I was well, if I was a, if somebody asked me when I was a young man you know, let's talk about why you're doing these things. You know, let's what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like why? What's the draw? What's like I love that word Mars, mars, right, but what's the drive behind it?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And what would you say? It was like if you were drinking too much or if you were driving too? Did you drive too fast? I don't know All of the all of those things. I mean you have a car Bill.
Speaker 1:I did have. I had a V8. I had a Cougar, which I loved it was, it was an awesome machine, but I was too young. I mean I was. I was this young kid in a monster car being reckless, and I'm very grateful that I didn't hurt myself or anybody else. But at the time it just seemed to make sense and now, looking back, it makes no sense at all. But I also have to say, you know, there wasn't much of a um of an opportunity to to ask probing questions like that. There was nobody asking me these things, so I wasn't very conscious of how well, that makes sense to think about that.
Speaker 2:You just said what. What it was was questions, and so thinking is really about asking questions and I think there are a lot and I'm this way.
Speaker 1:I think everybody can behave in a way that's automatic and think in ways that are automatic. You know they do shorthand, I do it, you know shorthand thinking.
Speaker 1:Right, and I don't think there's there's, there's not enough encouragement for people to to, to question these behaviors. They don't question it because there are no expectations made of anybody to question themselves, because there and we mentioned this earlier there's a lot of media pressure and societal messages that are overt and covert, but they're coming at us all the time, because there's this force that really has an interest in keeping everybody in their lane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or you think about in a box, right the lane or a box, and everyone has to conform and behave right and fit. It's an interesting question, right, that there's this idea that we're that we're being more open minded, but I actually think we're being more closed minded now that I think about it.
Speaker 1:Minded now that I think about it, yeah, and I'm not suggesting that you know there's, you have a, you know that you have an antisocial attitude about any of these things. That's not what I mean. But I think you and I both know, if we stray too far in sharing how we're, what our philosophies are, that sometimes we'll get blowback.
Speaker 2:I don't think we're even having talking about our philosophies. Even I was just questioning something and I questioned if I should say it to you. I mean, right? So I don't even know if that's my philosophy, but we're not even willing to. I'm scared. I think it's interesting to even phrase that because of what somebody can make that mean. But I will say you go back to information about a brain, the girl's brain. Versus the boy's brain, the girl's brain is much more developed quicker, right that frontal vortex. It connects much quicker than the male's. That frontal vortex, it connects much quicker than the males. If that's the case, then I don't think the boy's frontal cortex goes until like 24 where it links together.
Speaker 2:There'll be a lot of opportunities to get themselves into trouble and not make rational decisions. It's just an interesting thought, right? It's like, okay, well, it's like, oh, that will be fun, I'll go do it. You know, people die right, like a lot of boys. They go to college and they I think about this a lot, right, and they go to fraternity parties or fraternity things and they drink too much, and in that moment it seems like a really good idea and then, yes, what are you willing to do to fit in?
Speaker 2:I'll say it's a very interesting question. And when you're younger you're willing to do a lot more things than maybe when you're 30 or 40, you wouldn't do and you could get into a lot of trouble, a lot, and it could be dangerous to be human.
Speaker 1:Right. And again, I think you know yourself so much better in your as you get older. And then for me, when I look back, I think why, did I do that? But I also think I did it because I was trying to figure things out like what works with me, what doesn't. Let me test this, let me push here and pull there, all those things. I mean I was you know?
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes don't you think there's, I believe. I believe that there's always been like an angel with me or some kind of divine, because I've put myself into situations I'll say that maybe weren't the safest and I got very lucky. I don't know. Did you feel the same way? There's like some luck to it all because I made some stupid choice. I did stupid choices when I was younger. I did make some bad choices.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely think that I'm receiving some grace coming from somewhere, because I'm still here and a lot of people I know are not, and it's it's amazing that I put myself in those situations and I'm again not.
Speaker 2:Do you have any regrets?
Speaker 1:Yes, I do wish that. I I wish I knew myself as well then as I do now, but I don't really think that I knew myself very well, and I think that's a 12th house issue with me and it's something that I still have.
Speaker 2:But oh, like that's interesting, cause I was thinking about that, like if you have strong 12th house things, of how it could be that certain aspects of yourself are hidden and that you're not aware of. But I was thinking this imagine this you're five years old and you don't say you know. When you have to write like, oh, my name's Courtney and this, then you would write what's great about you? Cause I'm sure when you were five you knew what was great about you. You had instincts of how you were creative or artistic.
Speaker 2:But imagine if you could, instead of writing saying your name or like I have blue eyes, which is ridiculous, who cares what color eyes I have? But you said, oh, I'm an artist, or I really love writing, or I like to dance, I'm a dancer. And you actually created a container for you to use the qualities about yourself, not just what you look like, and then your ego name, and it kind of brought you into who you're meant to be. Because I think, intuitively, we're born and we have natural things we're good at. Somehow along the way they get lost because they're not appreciated. It'd be interesting, right? And then you might've known yourself better. Versus that I'm Phil and I have blue eyes and what does it matter?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when I do, when I do pursue those things and I'm in a creative, playful mood and I'm experimenting and I'm just not putting any kind of expectations on me, I feel like there's no time. You know, like I it's time, time is not an issue, like I'll be doing this thing and then hours later it doesn't feel like hours later, but then I I pop out of it and all this time has passed. And I think, I think a lot of people have that same experience, no matter what it is they're doing, when they're in that flow, it's just time goes away.
Speaker 2:And I think that's what we're supposed to be doing. I think that's what our intuitive energy is is that's what I do and then we'll be happy if we were doing that, if that's, maybe that's what our work should be is where we lose ourselves, and then it's not work, it's passion yes, and when you really are connected in that way, then you really are connected.
Speaker 1:You're connected to the cosmic consciousness, whatever you want to call it god, god, what you but you're connected, your spirit is communicating with that other spirit. You're one and that's why I think the the time element dissolves because you're, you're resonating together and we don't. We don't. We don't do that a lot, but I think everybody has that experience if they're doing the thing that I think, that they're meant to do, or what we're intuitively called to do.
Speaker 2:I think somewhere along the line we're intuitively called to do certain things and that each of us have our own genius right and that time law. That's why I'll say you should not share your information with people. You should create and trust it and don't let let humans put their projection or their perception on it, because I think it won't be as beautiful or as big as it could be, and sometimes the most, the greatest. I always go back. It's like that little kid that says something in the class and the teacher says it's wrong. Well, is it wrong? Like, how do you know that's wrong? I mean right, I mean what is wrong and what's right. Wrong I mean right, I mean what is wrong and what's right. It's a very interesting question If you really question everything, if you really are thinking are you really what's wrong and what's right? I go back to this right or is it because you're taught that it's wrong or right?
Speaker 1:I mean, yes, I think certain things are wrong, but you're very little and you're being shut down and I think that's especially true for little kids when they hear things like that, it's, those things are big in a child's mind. I think you know that's wrong, don't do? I think it really because they're so open, right, they're just picking up everything. I don't think they have the you know, they haven't built up their ego enough the strengths to even think about questioning that.
Speaker 2:Well, but I think that's true. Okay, so say, if, say, if I said something negative to you right now, even now, say if I had told you 10 things that I loved about you. And I said 10 things that I thought you, frank, they filled your. That's not how I work with them, phil, you're so great and you're so wonderful and I told you 10 things about yourself that were great, and then I said one thing that I didn't think was so great. What do you pay attention to?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we know the answer Absolutely, you're so right, true, right, yeah, so you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I wonder if it's just an age thing, but it does it. It kills the spirit, and I think we're. I think we should really question the spirits that were we're not embracing, and the, the shifts of consciousness and the ability to appreciate everybody for who they are, exactly where they are, and having a little bit more acceptance for people on like in everything I think that's.
Speaker 2:I think our survival depends on that yeah, or else I feel like we're gonna all, like, go back to like we're gonna go to war and we're all just gonna be angry at each other and blame everybody else. I mean, I keep going back to this idea of we're at this period of time where we could either be heroes of our own story, like we will either be the hero of our own story or we will be the victims of society.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:I want you to be a hero in your story. I want to be a hero.
Speaker 1:Right. So being a hero means you know, I want to be a hero, Right. So being a hero means you know, finding the bravery to address those things and move forward.
Speaker 2:And again.
Speaker 1:It's just it's. It should feel you know fun.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think it should feel scary as all hell. Right, well, I think, I think it's not so fun I think it says a lot of fear comes up for me when you say that, but okay but?
Speaker 1:but if you really want to do something, you, there should be some satisfaction to it. If you're going to, you know I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think maybe let's talk about this. This is actually, and then I'll let you go, but I think this is very interesting. Let's talk about it. Wouldn't it take a lot of courage to actually be brave enough to get over your something about being so uncomfortable? So say it again, because I think this is a very interesting question. I'm going to press you on this one Sure Again, because I think this is a very interesting question. I'm going to press you on this one Sure.
Speaker 1:So if we're really pursuing what is in our soul, our deepest dreams, if we want to do that, we do have to have a certain amount of bravery to address those things and think about whatever self-limiting actions or belief I am undertaking that is creating obstacles towards that goal. I think should have its own reward. So I'm saying fun, or life-fulfilling, life-affirming positive joy, joy Got it. Sometimes I feel like am I having too much joy at this? You know, should I feel bad about losing myself in in just things that I want to do that are fun for fun sake, and you know they're creative?
Speaker 2:Oh, I like that, so it's a little okay. How about if it's guilty Cause you feel selfish?
Speaker 1:Yes, cause it doesn't feel like work. Where's all the? Where's all the drudgery and the pressure? I'm working hard, but it doesn't feel like work. It's strange, I love that.
Speaker 2:I love that, but I also think it's that's what self-love is, is to do what brings you joy, and it's we're not taught that. I do think it's interesting. We're not taught that. We're taught that work is supposed to be hard, and I don't think work has to be. I don't think life. I think life. Life is hard and situations come up but we get to choose how we react to them, and that, what I thought was so interesting is what you said is all it is is taking one step at a time and being there and just whatever's coming your way to address it. I mean, you said it so beautifully just address it.
Speaker 1:Thanks. I think of you know the woman who wrote all the Harry Potter books, jk Rowling. You know her story is amazing. She was, you know she was a single mom. I think she was. You know she was a single mom. I think she was on, uh, government support. I'm pretty sure about that. She didn't have a job.
Speaker 2:She was working. Wait, no, I was actually. I feel like we're so connected because I've been thinking so much about her. So she was working in like an office building far away. She couldn't get a job and so she had to work far away from her house.
Speaker 1:She's poor, I mean poor and she was taking a train to like an office place where she was cleaning the offices and then she was writing a book on the train to her son who, for christmas, who she hasn't like, who she felt like she couldn't buy a present for and out of that crucible of tension and fear I mean, she must have been stressed out the whole time she she managed to create a completely magical alternate universe filled with characters that we love. You know, she created a mind space in everybody who read her books.
Speaker 2:Oh, not only that, I mean my daughter is obsessed with Harry Potter. I mean then, I mean my daughter is obsessed with Harry Potter not only in mind, but then a movie which was over the top and amazing and artistic. I mean amazing, but yeah, oh, here's the question, because I actually don't know this. Do you know how she went from making the book, creating the book, to actually having the courage to put it out there and then find a publisher? Do you actually know that? I don't know. Do you know that story?
Speaker 1:I don't know, but I bet you I don't, but I bet you if she's, if she was talking about her process, I bet there would be somewhere in there where she would say you know it kind of took over. And you know I was, I didn't realize how much time I was spending on it and I just was I had was so, yes, having fun, and I got so absorbed by it I haven't actually.
Speaker 2:I know, and I don't think it was meant, it was not. She wasn't doing it for outside attention. She was doing it for the love of her son, and I do think it comes across different when it's not about selling it, when it's not about about what you're going to get for it. All it was was love. I mean, she was writing a love story to her son she must have felt joy in doing that yeah, and then that joy, that's what I think art.
Speaker 2:If people love their art, that they're creating, then the person receiving the art is gets to experience that joy. I mean that's so interesting, but that I think is fun. I think the creating of it all is fun. I wonder where, if it was hard for her to have the courage to put it out there.
Speaker 1:She must've had so many challenges she must have.
Speaker 2:She still does. I mean, look at her, she still does, but she does it her way, right, and she's, she's. She's a very courageous woman and a lot of people disagree with her.
Speaker 1:Talk about people disagreeing and having a upset get get very bothered by her right, and whether or not you disagree with her now, the fact remains that she was a single woman going it alone with the responsibility of raising a son and undergoing tremendous pressure, and yet she followed her.
Speaker 2:She was a genius and thank God for that genius. Thank God.
Speaker 1:But under the most difficult circumstances, and she. It's just really a powerful story, and there's so many other examples of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's fairly interesting. Now I have to do more research to find out. I always leave our conversations with wanting more information and I think it would be very interesting to see. Yeah, she really talk about that and that was definitely what we'll call a download from the divine and, I think, all creative. I think anytime you actually sit with yourself and get silent and put yourself into a place to create, there's always magic available for everybody. Yes, it's a well that we can draw from. It's there waiting for us.
Speaker 2:We just have to be open to it, and then once we're open to it and we make that connection, then it flows and the genius comes, yeah, and time disappears. Every day you're going to be making your little doodles, right? I do think there's a message here. I actually woke up this morning. I'm like I'm going to commit to writing daily and, whether I want to or not, I'm going to sit there and then, once I sit there, I always lose myself and I get so excited.
Speaker 1:But to sit there it takes courage and it takes this ability to get over myself, and I do think there's that unconscious part of you that doesn't want to be great or doesn't like thinks you can't be great, and so you have to push yourself a little bit over the hump to make the commitment, to put the time in. I sometimes say this in yoga. I say you know you're already on the mat, you did it. You know you did whatever you had, either mentally or, you know, through your interactions with others in society. You made your way here and now you're sitting on the mat, society.
Speaker 2:You made your way here, and now you're sitting on the mat.
Speaker 2:That's and that's the win. I say this to my daughters it doesn't matter if you get the job or you don't get the job, the fact that you applied is the win. That is so true, so true, phil, and so perfect. To end this because it is not. The win is actually just getting there and putting yourself in the spot to try to at least be there and be on that mat, or go out for that audition, or or sit down with a pen and paper and write, or crayons and color, or I don't know what you use. But yes, so, so, so I'm committing, are you committing? To do your morning stuff, to do your genius?
Speaker 1:okay, minutes okay, I will minutes.
Speaker 2:Huh, you'll have to do 10 minutes. It's just about the practice of getting there okay, deal yeah, I, I really look forward to seeing what you, your creative genius, come out and I'll say I think there's a message for anyone that's listening to this that everybody within themselves has so much to share with the world, so much of their genius that's dying to come out saying please just be quiet for 10 minutes and let it come up and you will find joy in that.
Speaker 1:The joy will, it will, the feeling will be overwhelming.
Speaker 2:It'll just be so liberating it's happiness yes so I'm looking forward to seeing your creations. I'm seeing looking forward that everybody that listens to this will create somehow with something and help things grow and improve and shift and have a very open mind to what's possible for our as we move in this new era and even if it's baking cake or some muffins, it's that's.
Speaker 1:If you're finding joy in that, then you're you're my hero.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can we eat those? It was so nice to see you. I'm so. I'm so grateful to know you and I'm so grateful for everyone listening to this, wherever you're listening to this, whenever you're listening to this, may you be so creative.