Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
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Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
When the Universe Pushes You, It's Time to Take a Free Fall
What happens when the universe pushes you to the edge of a cliff? Do you cling desperately to familiar ground or surrender to the free fall that might just teach you how to fly?
Sometimes its in our most challenging moments, comes our greatest breakthroughs.
The resilience of female directors like Nancy Meyers demonstrates how personal suffering transforms into creative power. When cast aside from creative partnerships and marriages, these women turned devastating experiences into stepping stones toward greater success than their former partners. Their journeys remind us that when we're pushed to our limits, we discover strengths we never knew existed.
Are you listening to your soul's quiet wisdom beneath your mind's loud chatter? Join us as we explore the courage it takes to trust your intuition when logic fails, and why surrendering to life's unexpected currents might be the bravest choice you'll ever make.
Hi Phil, it's so nice to see you.
Speaker 2:Hi, courtney, great to see you. You look so peaceful on this beautiful day I was thinking it's a pretty deep day today. To go deep, I think we've had some really cold weather recently, so it definitely feels like spring is stirring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting about the weather and how strange it's been in different places. Right? Not what you would expect. Expect the unexpected. I'll say right, it's, and I it's interesting about expectations and why we suffer.
Speaker 2:It's because we expect something different and we had a lunar eclipse recently and the next morning it was 45 degrees here, which is easily 20 degrees colder than normal, and it definitely felt like something just swept over, much like the eclipse, you know. The light darkened and in that dark time everything became very, very cold and it has taken us a little bit of time to warm up again, but it definitely felt severe. Almost it was normal when you went to bed and you woke up to very, very cold weather yeah, I mean, what an interesting way to explain eclipse.
Speaker 1:I mean it just the energy of what's happening, how something can change instantly overnight, right, I mean could go from one temperature to another very fast and it could be.
Speaker 1:It's almost shocking and there's a coldness about it and I and feelings sometimes have a way of being being very uncomfortable solar eclipse, when everything goes fully dark, that everything does suddenly get very dark and cold oh yeah, I was, we were there, we went, we went to the one in, like in new york years ago I don't know a year, maybe 2017 or 2018 and we watched the solar eclipse and it was complete, it did. It was eerie, it got very, it was almost scary it it. I did not like, I did not, so I went under the eclipse this time. So I actually said I, we woke up, I set the alarm for 244.
Speaker 1:It was, I think it's 254. But we went outside around 244. And the sky was, but it actually didn't feel like the solar eclipse where it got very dark, it's. So it was beautiful, beautiful and it was very bright orange in it and and then you could see the stars and it was glimmering. But in the solar one it felt it felt scary, it felt like like the world was coming to an end can you imagine what people felt before we had a scientific understanding of what an eclipse was?
Speaker 2:imagine that happening without warning. Or even when there were times when they could expect it, they still believed that it was some kind of evil, the command that made this happen. Evil, the command that made this happen. So, even though you and I had that eerie experience, they must've had it a hundredfold.
Speaker 1:Well, but I wonder this is what I keep thinking about I keep on thinking if maybe we were better off back then. Because if you think about it like this, right, it is a very profound time, right, it's the way the dragons eating the sun or eating the moon, right, and we have these issues in our life that are karmic issues that come up for us and, in a way, feels like we have no control over. And so you say, if I was back in the day and I watched the moon being covered or the sun being covered, I would have fear, I would be scared, I would. I would think it's the sky. But maybe we're all fearful and scared in general and we just now have other. We create more drama outside of ourselves versus having it be the sky.
Speaker 2:Well, it can be scary and feel fearful to then you're. You're so alone that you're not connected to anything. You're stuck in your head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I, I and back in the day, I think I do think I keep on going back to we needed each other more, so we had to spend time with each other and we would have been bored. Think about we have so much distractions that we're capable of never having conversations with people. I used to sit on the subway and talk to strangers all the. I still do. I talk to strangers all the time. I put my phone down I do, but a lot of times it doesn't. There's no opening for that, but I have the most beautiful conversations with strangers. I love my conversations with strangers. It's, um, it's like I could love them just without even knowing them. But now everyone's so busy on their phones and we, we we are missing out on having these connections and these opportunities. And there's this at least if the sun went away and we didn't know if it was going to come back, we would figure it out together. And so maybe there's something about not knowing everything. That's a gift of not thinking we know everything.
Speaker 2:Right, and if we were that fearful in those older times, we would wrap ourselves around each other and huddle together and reassure ourselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and support one another and really show up for each other and support one another.
Speaker 2:And not let each other out of our sight. You know we always keep stay close because it's much safer to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, does it allow us like to open our hearts more? I, I, I keep on thinking of the heart, like with the way Mars is and it's being asked to really question our heart and how we are with each other, I think about how opened our hearts are to one another.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's. It's a very vulnerable thing to to be open with your heart.
Speaker 1:Well, and to need each other. I think, like I have, I have a very hard time meeting anyone. I don't know if you do, but I have a very hard time needing someone. So I kind of put my it's where I have my defenses up a bit. I don't need you, I'm okay, but we need each other.
Speaker 2:So true, and I think, especially now, yes, and I think the way our society is planned and structured it really doesn't it no longer encourages that kind of connection yeah, I, I think that we're.
Speaker 1:I wonder if we're going to go back, like I keep on thinking I believe that the people the next generation that has children are going to be very different with their phones. I, I just think so. I think I think we've seen, or if they can, if it's, I just go back to the habit, right, our habits are. So I keep on thinking I have a very bad habit. It's not. I just go back to the habit, right, our habits are. So I keep on thinking I have a very bad habit. It's not a very bad habit, but I have a bad habit. I play with my hair and I'm like. Now it doesn't seem like a very bad habit, but it is, in a way.
Speaker 2:And I've had it since I was like two and I keep on thinking oh my God, how do you get rid of a habit that you've had for so long? It's? It's interesting that you mentioned that habit because it's hand focused, which is very Gemini. I noticed lots of Gemini's with, and I'm including myself with a tendency to be fidgety some way or something.
Speaker 1:Interesting. I never thought about it like that and it really calms me down. And then I actually. So today I actually looked it up. Why do I play with my hair? And I've been playing since I was one. I really I remember my mother literally cut off all my hair so that I wouldn't play with my hair. It did not help, and what it said is it's well, how genius you are, because I have a Gemini moon and my past life I have Gemini energy and it's all about being fidgety when you're uncomfortable or bored or and I don't think that's why I do it anymore, I just think now it's very much a habit or you feel anxious, so it's a way of calming and soothing yourself. So that's so interesting, because boredom, fidgetiness, is very words that are associated with the energy of Gemini. So fascinating, and I am not bored, ever, actually. But I think I've just attracted this habit that I really have been doing for so long.
Speaker 2:And you can't see me when I'm doing it. But you know, I'll find a ribbon or a rubber band and do the same thing with my hands that you do with your hair. I'll just endlessly twist it around my fingers and it is soothing to me and it's it's not very conscious, it's just something that I think it helps me think better.
Speaker 1:If my hand I think it helps me concentrate. So I think that's an interesting thing. I actually think it concentrates me. It's like, uh, I kind of I settle myself in a way. I I feel like I'm so much calmer the moment I do it. I'm so calm and I'm like'm like this is great. It's like I mean, I guess it's better than drugs oh yeah, would be my Piscean energy but I, I still think it's a habit that maybe I have to. I keep on thinking of, like I'm Jewish but I, I celebrate everything and I thought maybe I should try to give it up for Lent, but I celebrate easter, lent, but I do celebrate easter a bit and then. But it's hard to give up a habit especially when you're not that aware of it.
Speaker 2:This, but I think becoming aware of it is the important first step. But even though you know I'm even doing it now, I'm folding this piece of paper into the tiniest fold like I can can, and then I'll find another piece of paper and do the same.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:I'm not even aware that I do it.
Speaker 1:Oh really, yeah, I don't think I used to be aware of it, but it drives my family crazy. So they're like you have to stop, you have to stop, you have to stop. And I'm like, but the paper is a good idea, it's that. And I was thinking people pull their hair out. And so I was thinking people pull their hair out. And so I was like, lucky I don't do that. I mean, I don't know, I guess I, I guess it's better than other habits. Maybe you should try. I am, I'm trying it. I'm like this is so great.
Speaker 2:Or a piece of ribbon. You know, piece of ribbon works great too.
Speaker 1:My mother plays with a schmati. I'm going to look to see what Gemini planet she has. My mother, like she's 86 and she always has her hands are always moving, always, and she's it's like she's always playing with, like a. Maybe she should have given me a little play thing when I was a kid and I would have had a better habit, cause in some ways that doesn't hurt you, right? What's the big deal? If you but I like this. I'm going to try this because I asked the angels today. So I have a story to tell you and I think I believe in angels. Do you believe in angels?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I believe that humans are angels to each other, giving each other messages. So that's what I'm looking for, okay. So I'm at this restaurant, we went, we dropped off our littlest daughter to go to the airport and we go to get pancakes. And we're. We never get pancakes because I'm gluten-free and there's no pancakes. But I found this place and they have pancakes. I was so excited to share with my husband because I didn't even like breakfast, but it was lunchtime. So we go for lunch. It's like one o'clock and I'm like okay, we have to try these pancakes. So we're sitting there.
Speaker 1:I have this really deep, interesting conversation. I don't know, did you know that the moon was void yesterday? So it was like this day, nothing got done. It was like this I don't know if you got anything done yesterday, but it was like this very dreamy kind of intuitive day.
Speaker 1:So we're at this place and we're getting pancakes and this woman comes over and says we're going to comp your meal because it was so late, took so long. And I'm like no, we didn't complain. Like we're both sitting at the table and we said we didn't complain, it's not been so long, we were very happy. They had gluten-free biscuits too. So we were very happy. Okay, wait till you hear the story. So I was like you don't need to comp our meal, it's fine. I don't know why you're even apologizing. And then I stopped.
Speaker 1:Our meal was in front of us and I thought, huh, maybe she's an angel, literally, maybe she's an angel, and this is like a God wink. And I said maybe you're apologizing for something that hasn't happened yet. And I, so I looked down at my plate. I said I haven't touched my food. I'm like literally like going through the motions of this, like I haven't touched my food. I ordered gluten free pancakes. Is there a chance that these might not be gluten free? And you're apologizing beforehand and you're like an angel and you don't know Cause I believe in angels I said I think this girl must've thought I was crazy. Well, lo and behold, she went right to the the. She wasn't the girl who took our order, she was like the manager. She went right to the kitchen and they weren't gluten-free there you go.
Speaker 1:So she took the plate and she comped our meal anyway and I didn't even complain at all once and I thought wow, are we listening to the messages like we're? The person told me she's sorry and I could have just not listened to her. But instead I was very intuitive that day and I was very like in la la land a bit and I was like wait, I think you're apologizing for something that might not have happened yet.
Speaker 2:Isn't it? That's so interesting that you can pick up on subtleties that haven't been expressed yet, but the energy is there, the vibration is already out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I guess for her too right. And she got a message. I don't know where she even got the message from. Did the, did the person that was waiting on us feel bad that we were waiting? We weren't waiting very long. I think it's so fascinating on how we're all affecting each other and how maybe there's always messages and we're just not listening to them and we could be told beforehand that maybe you should just listen.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's. It's all kind of a game of telephone as far as I understand it, because no matter how well we do at communicating, we're still overcoming interference. So imagine I'm having a feeling in my heart that I want to share. The feeling goes to my brain, it goes to my throat and I express it, and it travels through the air. It's somebody else's ear to their brain, to their heart, heart. So it has to go through all these steps and I think it is possible to communicate that essence. But because we're human and we live in a physical plane, there is going to be unexpected obstacles or some kind of incoherence, either small or large. But I think the game of telephone that we all played as kids is a great example of that.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean it's a great. I think I love how it's always. You always just hit everything on the nail, cause we were just talking about the game of telephone last night, cause my mother heard something and then she changed it and she created a whole bunch of drama. We love her, we love her. She created a whole bunch of drama, we love her, we love her. She created a whole bunch of drama. And I said to the girls I said you get to choose how you perceive things though, right. So it's a very interesting thing, cause let's say, I say I love you right now. You could you get to choose how you perceive that. And I really mean to you I love you, phil, and you might, based on your heart and your experience of what I love you means, you might not take the words I love you to mean that I really just love you. You might make it mean something completely different.
Speaker 2:You might make it mean something completely different. Absolutely right, absolutely right.
Speaker 1:But I think that's why we're together here in the same giant school room trying to learn these things. Oh yeah, I do, and I think maybe we're supposed to bother each other too. I really believe that we're meant to bring up the wounds, and I think that goes back to the lunar eclipse. Emotions will come up for them to heal, and our perceivement of things, and I think it was in a very critical sign, and so how we even hear things as being critical too, and how we are judgmental of ourselves. But I love that right, we could have a feeling in our heart, then our brain, the way you said. It's really brilliant. And then it goes to that other person and we don't know how they're going to perceive it. And I find texts to be, I think, much better. When I'm speak, when people hear me or speak to me, it always comes across very clear. I think sometimes, when you are in texting mode, it could be easily misconstrued, and I misconstrue things a lot too. I think wait, did they mean this? Like, did they mean to say this?
Speaker 2:That gets me into trouble all the time because there's no tone in a text.
Speaker 1:There's no heart, there's no like um A text. There's no heart, there's no like.
Speaker 2:So you can completely misinterpret what is being said. Something that's a compliment is interpreted as an insult. No-transcript, it doesn't have that human delivery and I think it's very dangerous phenomena.
Speaker 1:What?
Speaker 2:What's a danger? That we rely more in a method of communication that has no tone, Because I've heard so many stories about people communicating via email and text and just a series of misunderstandings that escalate into something that gets blown way out of proportion. There's lots of hurt feelings and you can't you can't undo it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think this is so perfect. I think like talk about angels and messengers, and I think what's so interesting about what we're talking about now is if you're like, okay, mercury is in retrograde in Aries and if you're offended by something that somebody says, you have to tell them because it's just it could be a miscommunication. Or be very careful with what you say or what you write, because it could be misconstrued, misconceived. I mean perfect timing for this conversation and it could really hurt relationships If you're not honest and you don't say hey, mate, did you mean to say this? Or what did you mean by this.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Because people do lose relate. That's so interesting. I mean people could lose relationships pretty easily now and I say get angry. I mean that's a very good word for this moment, right, we could get angry or something that didn't even. We didn't mean anything by.
Speaker 2:Right. So I heard through a friend that somebody had said to them you know that you're being wooed, right. What wooed? You know to woo somebody w--O, to romantically seduce somebody.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that word wooed.
Speaker 2:She's being wooed, you know she's being courted, you know, by this person. So the person here thought that they were saying you know you're being rude, right? That they were saying you know you're being rude, right? And then the person said I'm being rude. And the person thought that they were saying rude and they said yes, you are.
Speaker 1:Yes, I want you to know that you are being rude, rude and he's giving a compliment, I mean literally, like you're saying something so good, and she perceived it as bad, as an insult. What do you mean? I'm being rude? Well, but that's the thing is. She was brave enough to say did she say this is?
Speaker 2:because she was so upset.
Speaker 1:Good, but that's the gift I mean. But now she didn't say it and she just got off the phone and she was like he's such a jerk.
Speaker 1:Right, so they both laughed about it before it got out of hand, before I think it is interesting because that actually happened to me earlier today and I said something like oh, I said something nice actually, and they, they were like, oh, and they, they did, they took it. And they said, oh, of course you would say something like that. And they, they were like, oh, and they, they, they did, they took it. And they said, oh, of course you would say something like that. I'm like, what do you mean? Of course I would say something like that.
Speaker 1:I said a compliment, like and it was interesting on the perceivement and how we could perceive things and we could tell, think we know what someone's saying or what we think someone's saying, and are we even actually hearing what anyone's saying? I, I this is my new thing Are we even hearing what people are saying? Or are we so in our own mind, in our own head, thinking we know what they're going to say? I said I, I actually don't know what I'm going to say before I say it. I am I practice total presence, that like whatever just going to respond and I don't know what I'm going to say before I say it. And I think that's how I'm not thinking about what am I going to say before I say it kind of does that make sense? I don't know how your mind works, but I've been. I used to be like that. I used to be like in my own head thinking, oh, I'm going to respond this way, but I don't anymore.
Speaker 2:Right. If you're too guarded about what you want to say, then nobody's really going to know what you want or need or what your expectations are, and then you can become frustrated at other people because you've chosen not to be verbal about your thoughts or your ideas or your wishes or or your wants. But again, if you do, if you do decide to share those things, then you're you're putting yourself out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that we're all being I, if I would say, one of the main things of what we're going through now, in in the, in the energy of the world, is really understanding what we want and having the courage to ask for it. Just like you said right, if I don't tell people what I want, I'm going to be angry and upset, and so I better make sure that I'm clear on speaking what I want. And I say clear because it can easily be misconstrued and we and we could feel hurt, or the other person could feel hurt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and these things are always the stuff of great drama. You know, when you see a movie or see a scene between people, there's always the subtext right, they're talking about going shopping, but what they're really talking about is maybe the end of their relationship, and it's, it's, very human to. You know, test the waters first and you know, throw a line out with a comment or two and then, if it's received, well, then you go deeper.
Speaker 1:Oh, give me an example, cause I think this is an interesting conversation.
Speaker 2:Gosh, can I? I wonder if I can think of a scene in a movie that demonstrates that I can't.
Speaker 1:I keep on thinking of like Nancy Meyers movies for some reason. So so is there a Nancy Meyers move Like something's got to give or father the bride. I keep on thinking of this as whole. I keep on having this image of, of that one of those movies. So I wonder if there's a line in one of those movies like that you could explain. Do you know those movies?
Speaker 2:Of course. Yes, I know Nancy Meyers. I've interviewed her.
Speaker 1:Oh, I need to hear Now you have to tell me this, because I've been very fascinated with Nancy Meyers and in the sense of she's one of the few people that has this eye to detail and that she's behind the scenes and yet you know her name and she's famous. And how did she you have to tell me, like about the interview, because I I think maybe that's even why I've had this conversation, because I keep on thinking about her, her way that she could see things and then create this magic on the screen and make us feel like we're in in real life, like really in real life, and and what an art. And then not only that, but even that being able to know her name and that she is a name that's synonymous with beauty and with creation and with magnificent, like you want a home, like she creates yeah, she's a lovely person and I think it's because, because she's a woman, that she has that perspective.
Speaker 2:you know, I think it's, it's very intentional. Anything, anything on a film screen, in a, a film frame, is all intentional the bowl of fruit that you see, the light, the landscape, anything is planned, and she was excellent at that.
Speaker 1:Well, not only was she excellent, but, like you've said this before and I've thought about it, but very rarely is it so obvious that it's perfect and yet she is a name that we know. Do you know any other people that do what she does, that have a name in that way?
Speaker 2:well, you could think of hitchcock, let's say it's a brand she's, she's her brand. So. Or tarantino, definitely, but it's completely different from her approach to life. You know she, I know she, I think she intentionally.
Speaker 1:Do you think she intentionally created the brand Like how do you think she? I think it's an interesting question. How did she become so successful versus other people that might've had the eye and might've done things that are really good but didn't get successful? What would you say the difference is with that?
Speaker 2:Well, she has an interesting story. Very, very it could be a movie all its own. She was married to a gent and yeah, who was she married to? Charles Schur was his name. I'm pretty sure that was his name.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's okay if we're misconceiving something, but let's hear the story. I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, she supported him in his career as a director and was the power behind the throne, if you want to put it succinctly right. They were a great creative team. They did great work together.
Speaker 1:They were a great creative team.
Speaker 2:They did great work together and then they separated under traumatic circumstances. I don't If it was in the trades a lot, it meant that there was something turbulent going on and I don't want to speak out of turn here either, but the result was that she was more or less spurned and because she was no longer part of that creative team, I think hollywood kind of wrote her off because she was there to support the director. But she turned that on her on its head and emerged as a more successful director than the husband.
Speaker 1:Yeah, much more. I mean, I've even heard of the other guy and what's interesting is she. I love this because she took something that was very hard and probably heartbreaking and painful and suffering. It's like the total breakdown and she literally not only had a breakthrough, it's like the total breakdown and she literally not only had a breakthrough but rose to the top of her field, I mean. And then you think maybe it all happened for her, maybe it was meant to be that she had whatever happened to her in that way so that we would know her name and we could appreciate her.
Speaker 1:It's an interesting to think, to think about, if you would, how we really appreciate her and how many people appreciate her. And I'll say, don't count anyone out. I love this story so much it it hits my heart so much because it's so easy for us to not believe in ourselves or to stand below somebody or to give someone else the credit for our own work. And how much courage and braveness it takes to want to succeed and to get your name out there and to show your artistic skills and your intelligence and your. I think she's incredible. I think she's one of the game changers in our, in our world.
Speaker 2:She, she has earned all those accolades.
Speaker 1:Wait, so you interviewed her. I think it's so interesting though You're such an interesting human, I love you. I mean, I love you even if you were not interesting, but I do love you.
Speaker 2:I have to find that photo I have. I will get. I will send it to you in the next two days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you also owe me a website, but we'll talk about that after.
Speaker 1:That's okay we're on the call, so I don't know what she's doing, he's doing. But I will say this to you I I think you're so interesting because it's like a cat you've had like nine lives, I think. I think I, I think that there's so much history within phil that we can. I could probably. I think there's no accidents that I've been, I've been thinking about her for days and I I have to do more research. It's like the do you know the story there was. Do you know the girl who wrote how I Met Sally? Do you know her story?
Speaker 2:The girl who wrote it. Oh, oh, oh sure.
Speaker 1:What's her name?
Speaker 2:Give me a second. She's. They're sisters, they're sisters, they're both writers and directors. It'll come to me.
Speaker 1:I'll say this. The story was that she was expecting to get money.
Speaker 1:Yes, nora Ephron. She was expecting to get money from somebody that died. She was really in need of money, she needed money. I was reading her book money from somebody that died. She was really in need of money, she needed money and she was expecting I was reading her book, it was very interesting she was expecting to get money from her, someone that died and she owed money, and so she was having this expectation to have money and it would put her at ease and she needed the money for whatever reason, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I read the book years ago and so what happened was was that she didn't get the money and she owed money and she ended up writing Harry Met Sally and so, out of something that was she saw as so negative and so not helpful and she was so angry about it, turned out to be the greatest gift for her because if she hadn't gotten the money, if she had gotten the money, she never would have wrote that book, or she wouldn't have wrote that movie, and that movie was a great movie. And when we're suffering, sometimes our greatest art comes, our greatest talent, our greatest ability, because we have to rise up. We're like the it becomes the Phoenix rising, literally.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's amazing, isn't it like, how we could see something that usually our lowest points in our life, or the darkest moments, or when you could see the sun goes out or the moon is covered that in that darkness there's always a light.
Speaker 2:Right. When you're pushed right to the edge and you just don't think there's any edge left, that's when you find your strength and your brilliant idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and maybe, when you're right, I could go back to like you could see the edge of the cliff and if someone's going to push you, you could see the edge of the cliff, and if someone's going to push you, you could go back and hold on tight. But your chances are you're not going to and so there is a free fall of letting yourself have to have faith and trust and belief, and, and I think all those people probably had that experience where they had to let go and let God I mean it's, it is, but imagine if they didn't, imagine if they kept on holding on to what wasn't working and they were so stubborn and they weren't willing to make the changes that need to happen, how we would have lost out on knowing them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they again they. Because they went through that. They created these stories so that when we have those similar trials, we'll know how it's done, we'll know that we were not alone in this experience, that others have had similar obstacles and they rose above them.
Speaker 1:It's really but I think we're all going. I think what's interesting is we're at a time where maybe we're all going through a period of where we're being really asked to change and transform and not do it how we've always done it right, like stop grasping to where, who we were yes it's like old news, it's like you don't have to do that anymore right, and it really is.
Speaker 2:It really is going to happen collectively and individually now.
Speaker 1:We're all at the edge and I'll say the people that I really do believe this and I'm not being mean, I hope I don't think anyone that's listening to us. I hope you're listening to us and I hope you're being willing to do the free fall because if you're continuing to want to hold on to what was, you're not going to be very happy because it just it's going to hurt you. It's going to hurt too much to go. Keep on holding on and believing what we, I think, almost believing what we believe.
Speaker 2:Right, and you're going to have to let go anyway. You know, like I said, if you can either do it and make it less traumatic for yourself, or you can wait till you're pushed because yeah, I mean, and they will push you.
Speaker 1:I mean the universe will push you. It's like if you don't listen and go back to the woman who said I'm sorry, if I hadn't really heard her, I might have eaten those pancakes. I would have been so sick, I would have hives all over my body. I would have been so sick, there's no question, I would have been so uncomfortable. But I stopped and I was like, wait, maybe there's more to this message and so maybe whatever's happening in our lives is there's more to the message and we have to really be open minded to it. And I think that's such a.
Speaker 1:Also I keep on thinking about, jeff, how people could say the Jupiter, where we expand things, is in the sign of. It's not where it's good. And I'll say to you I disagree with that. I think it's exactly where it's supposed to be. So we could change how we think, how we could open our minds, how we don't have to grasp. If it was in the sign where it felt safe and comfortable, it would have just behaved the way you want it to behave. And if you want to expand your life and if you want your life to grow and you want more abundance in it. You have to open your mind. You have to change how you're your mind. You have to change how you're thinking. You have to change how you perceive things. You have to, or else you are going to hurt so much yes, and it's.
Speaker 2:It's two sides of the same coin, because pisces energy is really about embracing and surrendering and the more feminine energy of accepting what's coming to you and through you right, whereas the aries energy is the opposite of that. It's propelling forward and being heroic and just knocking down every obstacle. But the feminine energy is just as strong and can be just as challenging to embrace the. I think it's harder.
Speaker 1:I think what's interesting is I, I think what you're. I actually think it's harder because there's it's what you can't see, it's what it's faith.
Speaker 2:And surrendering. So there's nothing wrong with surrendering to the unknown and finding courage to allow it to unfold, rather than overreacting and acting in fear yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I think what's interesting about what you're saying is is that we're at the I I love it because we're at the. Maybe, in order to be really brave, you really have to believe too. Believe in yourself and believe in your, in your creativity, and believe in your strength, and then that would give us courage over fear. But that real belief, that real trusting that there's angels, I mean literally. I have to tell you I have people that never believed in angels or anything. It's very hard not to believe when you there's magic everywhere. There just is. It's like the synchronicities, these small little things that we see day to day and you're like, is that odd, or is this God? It's, there's too many. Is it by chance that all these things are connected?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. In a way, that's much less traumatic if you find a way to quiet yourself down, to really really quiet yourself down, and then listen when you listen that way, I think you can hear the you within you, the highest self, your highest self not the noise chatter Right, the you that is observing what you're doing.
Speaker 1:I know that sounds crazy but I think everybody knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, I think I've been. I've been talking a lot about this and I'll say to you I think the you inside you is your soul. Like, what is your soul want from you? And that little voice I, I don't even know what, that little voice, that's not the soul, but it's exhausting in that you're right. When you quiet down your mind, mind the soul will speak to you and you'll know what to do but the ego is louder than the soul, because the ego has to do its work oh, it thinks it's going to keep you safe.
Speaker 2:It's like, let me keep you safe it's, it's acting very sincerely in its way. Right, this is, this is how we're going to do it. I made a list and follow and all you know. Watch out for this and don't forget that, all that stuff but there's that constant voice that's always speaking. But you have to slow down, you have to push away the egoic details and and if you, if you do that and you just sit long enough that you'll hear it, you'll, if you'll know you're in it's called intuition. You'll just know this is I.
Speaker 1:I think, and I think there's ways to get it easier, right, I think, by writing, right, meditating. People do yoga, some People do yoga, some people do yoga.
Speaker 2:I think people go and music and going to synagogues and just praying, just oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just having something. I go back to, like what you're saying, that there's something bigger than ourselves. Right, there's this. But I think I keep on thinking about this here and now. Let's hear this, because I this is what I talked a lot about yesterday is OK. So we have the soul, and the soul is talking to us and it knows what is for our highest good, and so that is talking to us. And if we see it and don't listen, that's where I think we really hurt ourselves and I think that's where the numbing comes in. And so how important it is not to listen to the voice that you're saying in that mind where there's the ego, but to listen to that soul and take care of it, nurture it, because it might not be what you want to hear and it might not be what you want to do, but you know it's for your highest good. I mean, we're pretty stubborn human beings, right, it's hard for us to change.
Speaker 2:And for some people it's only mind, it's always mind. They don't, they're not connected to what we're talking about and to them I.
Speaker 1:Intellect. I mean you could call it intellect, right? Some people they have this idea that it's their intellect and that somehow it's weak to trust the soul or the heart. And I'll say there is nothing weak about trusting your heart and your soul and intellect could get us in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2:Yes, because that's, I think it's. Only the intellect is very limiting, and other people would say the absolute opposite, but there's some things that I just know.
Speaker 1:And me too and I, and there's a knowing and, and when you know the knowing, it's like you. Just, I love what you say, because when you talk about the soul, you have this smile that comes on. It's like light, it's so nice, it's such a, it's love and, and I think it's perfection, it's it's knowing our oneness with the divine, it's it's knowing that you and I are connected. Something bigger, so much bigger than that we can understand, or everybody that's listening to us. It's like this intertwined experience of the infinite, and it it's love, it is pure love, where I think the intellect it's hurt, it can be hurt easily, it can feel pain much easier. It could feel much more disconnected.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So well. I love you and I love that our souls have a great conversation and that that that the woman who we talked about, who you interviewed why can't I remember her name that she trusted her.
Speaker 2:What's her?
Speaker 1:name again Nancy Myers. What's her name again?
Speaker 2:Nancy Myers that she trusted her soul.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because I think, if you don't, if you don't trust your soul, your mind could have, like her mind could have driven her crazy.
Speaker 2:She yes, she, I mean she. She's spoken about this, about the, the real devastating loss that she experienced. Now that I think more about it, it came out of the blue that her husband was going to leave her. That's the way I remember it. It was all very shocking to her and she was cast aside. That's the was the feeling, and it was. It must have been especially devastating because they were not only married, but they were creative partners and they were a dynamic team.
Speaker 1:So it was and she probably and I, I I could feel I'll say I would I would be interested to see her chart, but not appreciated, not loved, not seen for how talented and how and what a difference she made in his career. It's there. I met this guy once at the beach and he's this older man and it's funny because he's not married, but he's this older man, he's great. So I go to the beach and he's, he's a charmer boy, I really charming, and he talks and he's like the king. And he made a comment and stayed with me and he said behind every great man there's a better woman.
Speaker 1:No judgment, phil, but I'll say I do think that in the day where women, back in the day where women did not have big careers, there was a lot of women.
Speaker 1:I mean you look at right, like you look at Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who brought her husband right through college and really helped him and she was amazing what she could do, right, and I do think that behind every great woman or behind every great man, there's a partner that wants them to succeed. Whether it's behind every great man, there's a great woman, or behind every great man there's a great woman, or behind every great man there's a great man, but it makes it a lot easier when somebody really is helping you and supporting you. And then you might not appreciate that, and I will bet you, she felt very unappreciated and not seen for how valuable she was to him and I'll bet you his life did not work so well after that. And so we create our story right. She created Magnificent and I'll bet you his life did not work so well after that. And so we create our story right. She created magnificent and I will guess he I'll bet you he was pretty jealous of her at the end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Things did not. Things went downhill for him and after that, there's a little bit of glorification in that.
Speaker 1:I have to say but that's not kind, that's not my soul talking.
Speaker 2:That's my. It's a karmic situation, I think, because it became evident that she was way, way more talented and competent and capable and intelligent than everyone first thought of her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think this is the gift I actually think there's.
Speaker 1:The gift is that we could look back at that right and if she's from her highest self, she could really appreciate feeling so low. I go back to this because it's like these moments and times that we get to choose, and she obviously chose the higher path and it doesn't really matter what happened in the past. That's not her story anymore. It's like these moments in time that we get to choose and she obviously chose the higher path and it doesn't really matter what happened in the past. That's not her story anymore. It goes back to like Jackie Kennedy.
Speaker 1:Jackie Kennedy said like, right at the last days of her life, she literally said my biggest regret is that I wasted my whole life talking about five minutes of it, because the five minutes that happened in her life depicted her whole life afterwards. It stayed with her, it hurt her and it didn't have to right. It's in a way, she trauma hit her really hard and it kept on it and she hurt a lot and I don't blame her for it, but you could see that this woman, on the other way, used it and rose up and it didn't, it didn't have to be her story.
Speaker 2:Right, right.
Speaker 1:That takes a lot of courage and I think I think she's a great example of courage. I had to go look over a chart to see her chart and how proud I am of her and it just makes her even more special. I just, I love, I love her. So thank you. I can't wait to hear more about who you've interviewed. We have many more talks and I have so much to pull out of that Phil over there. He's so.
Speaker 2:He's like a quiet angel that has so much to share, but he well, I'm definitely going to find that photo and send it to you and then happy to talk again. I've interviewed or known women like that in the industry. Polly Platt is another wonderful woman with a kind of a similar story. She do you want to hear this? It's very it's Hollywood gossip, but it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh, phil, phil, Phil. We know it's not. It's telling us a story that can all help us.
Speaker 2:It's common knowledge, it's legendary. Now Peter Pogdanovich and Polly Platt were married and she was again influential in helping him in his role as director and her area of expertise was production design. But she was involved in casting films and with him it was in every aspect of the making of these movies that her husband made and suddenly they became an item and again it was another situation of Polly Platt being cast aside spurned. This all came as a shock to her because they had kids together and she was raising the kids and the husband was shooting this movie and essentially never I.
Speaker 1:I have to say this because I I I have to say this. I mean, it just happened on wicked but you go into, you know, you go into the movies and you're taken away on a retreat almost, and you have this container and it's magical and someone's feeding you, somebody is doing all your stuff, you're seen as like a god, you're not having to take out the garbage, you're not having to take care of the screaming kids. It's this point where you're in a magical world in a way and you fall in love with the, I think, the energy of the film in some ways, and it's easy to think you're in love with that other person, right, and so I would think it's very hard not to fall in love Like so.
Speaker 1:I mean the other side of it is, I know it comes as a great surprise to people, but it feels like it's a recipe for disaster, like to take people that are are. It's in a way, I'm surprised it doesn't happen all the time, and I think it does. Actually it happens a lot. I mean it. It just happened with a lot of people.
Speaker 2:I mean it's happened a lot right, it happened with with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie when they were on a shoot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just happened with you know the girl who is Sutton Foster and he was married for years. Do you know, um, the guy who? The guy who was, he was married forever. The guy who I got I don't know, but another, a very famous actor that everyone knows. So I think it just happens right and life happens. Now, what happened to polly like? Did she overcome this?
Speaker 2:yeah, but again it was very traumatic because sybil shepherd was this young blonde on gorgeous, I mean, and gorgeous there was a huge age gap between bogdanovich and sybil shepherd and so she was cast aside with the kids and it was very rough on her but she climbed her way up. She, you know she. She was involved in some great movies. She wrote and she directed and she produced.
Speaker 1:I have to look her up.
Speaker 2:She's. She's a dynamo, wonderful woman, and no, no, she's a straight shooter which is which is good characteristic to have in Hollywood.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's hard. I think it's very hard to be human and to be in love and to trust somebody and to open your heart, and there's always that possibility that it's going to get hurt. And then how do you, how do you keep on living, how do you keep on opening your heart and how do you not make it that you're not wonderful? I think that's the message, right? It's like all this stuff could happen to you and you could be really hurt, and it doesn't have to be because you're less than right and that someone's because what is beauty anyway? Right, just someone.
Speaker 1:There's going to be people that go back to like Venus and retrograde and what you look like, and there will be people younger than you, there will be people prettier than you, there will be people with more money and it doesn't matter. It's just how do you feel good about yourself and whether someone loves me or someone doesn't love me and how do I feel confident who I am? I think it's a great message that Holly can, that she's a straight shooter and that she healed. Did she ever get remarried and find love again? Oh, please tell me she did, please.
Speaker 2:Not that I'm aware of, no, oh.
Speaker 1:I hope somehow she found somebody and she shares her life with somebody somehow.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, this is. This has been very revealing. We went down many interesting paths, as we always do, but very rewarding, and you know, I definitely feel energized.
Speaker 1:Me too, and feeling like we could conquer the world.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So thank you, and thank you for this great idea of piece of paper. I, I think I might, I think you might have healed me, bill, I think you're a healer, so I will see you next week and I love you so much. And to everybody else. Thank you for watching.
Speaker 2:Thank you, everybody.