Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
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Mystical Misfits with Courtney and Phil
Unpacking Gender: Love, Intuition, and the Power of Difference
In this episode, Courtney and Phil delve into the nuances of gender dynamics, exploring societal expectations and the importance of embracing our unique qualities. They discuss the power of intuition, the invisible forces of love, and how to navigate relationships in a more authentic and fulfilling way
Hi Phil, it's so nice to see you. Look at us, connecting our worlds together from one side of the coast to the other side of the coast.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:I'm on the East Coast. Where are you? I'm on the East Coast. Where do I find you?
Speaker 2:On the other side, on the West Coast.
Speaker 1:Very interesting. Well, it's such a. I'm so excited to talk to you today.
Speaker 2:Me too. I mean, we got a little bit of an appetizer about our discussion before we began, so now I'm really, I'm really, you know, I feel like I'm a little bit on fire with the ideas that we discuss, which is great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's always nice because we talk about so much before we get on the call and I never know what we'll end up talking about because we don't see each other for the week before. We just kind of jump in and kind of talk about random things. But we were having a very interesting conversation about. I said I appreciate your, I appreciate you and I'll say sometimes I'm wondering if we're appreciating the male as much as we need to be or or we can, could be, could be, because we have to appreciate every human being. I'll say right now, every human being. So I appreciate you, but it is interesting because you are a man.
Speaker 2:Right and I absolutely appreciate that. And you know, I think the more that we can, you know, distinguish ourselves by gender, age, by cultural background, the more there is to celebrate. You know, that's a unique perspective and it's not better or worse than any other perspective, but it's part of a tapestry of ideas that are constantly interconnecting and building something that's greater than its parts.
Speaker 1:Well, I keep on thinking about it like this I'm a white woman, right, and so I can't change that. I mean, I guess I can, right. I mean I guess I can. I could, right In our society right now we can well. This is actually really interesting. Can I could right In our society right now, we can. Well, this is actually really interesting. I've thought about this a lot. Do you know the story? So you can change your gender? Right, you could change your label of your gender. You can change, you could do things to change your gender. But okay, this was so interesting.
Speaker 1:Do you remember there was a woman. She was a woman who was a white woman and she actually felt like she was black and she ended up having black like she met, met a man and had black children and she very much felt like she was a black woman. She had an afro. Like she created an afro. She went to college, she said she was a black woman and she lived like a black. She lived as if she was a black person, like she identified as a black person and I think about this so often.
Speaker 1:And she ran the NCAAP in her community. She did so many things and she was proud she wanted to be a black woman and, lo and behold, she wasn't and she got canceled completely for it. And I just thought how come we can cancel some people and not other people? Right, like she identified with that and maybe she was in past lives, I mean, I don't know, and her children were. I mean her children were, but she kind of did look like she. She looked like she was not white and they torched her. I mean, her whole life was ruined and she was ousted from the community and she felt very much part of that community.
Speaker 1:Anyway, just an interesting thing is that I can't I keep on thinking of the word perfect, right, and if we're born a certain way, there's only so much we can do. So if you're a man, you're a man, should you? I don't know, you can't really. I mean, yes, you can change it, right, there's fine society says you, you can change it, but should we have to want to to like her? I mean, it's just an interesting question.
Speaker 2:I'll say to you it's a very interesting question about liking ourselves there can be times where I can feel that way I'm, you know, I'm I. I wouldn't do it to people based on gender or age or any of those things, but all of these things are very triggering.
Speaker 1:I know it's very triggering. We're having a Scorpio moon today, so of course we're going to talk about something triggering Like it's. We're meant to be talking about something that's pretty uncomfortable. But you know, phil, you know I was thinking about, I was thinking about when I first called you and I was like I like love Phil and I want to do this with you. And I was thinking I'm a woman and you're a man and I hope he doesn't take it the wrong way that I so love him. And it was fun, right.
Speaker 1:So even that was an interesting conversation. It's like, right, I can be very fascinated by you and interested in you and want to move forward with you in a way but it's not in a sexual, but I was like I hope he doesn't take it the wrong way. So that's an interesting conversation. About the whole man woman conversation too, right, about the whole man-woman conversation too right. It's like I'm blushing for people that are listening because it's true, can we be? Can women and men be friends? There's that natural. Anyway, it's just an interesting question. But I remember saying to you I hope you don't take it the wrong way, but I really think you're wonderful.
Speaker 2:Thanks and thank you, courtney. Thank you so much. But think about all the comedy and drama for thousands of years that have been created because of this. You know the battle of the sexes. You know it's. It's there's nothing wrong with it. It's not the people who were in those situations a thousand years ago and writing funny plays about it.
Speaker 1:We're still doing it today wait, my father sent something to me. Wait, you'll know the show probably. I mean, you're a little younger than my dad, but the hold on. And I was like this is so genius. I had never seen this show hold on. It's um. He sent me this show and it was. It was comedy and it was about like females and men. And wait, can I? I don't know what the name of the show was. It was like an old time show and the guy wanted to go fishing. It was the funniest show. It was the name of the show. I can't remember the name of the show. It was a man and he wanted to go fishing and he made his wife hang up on their call and she's like you're gonna pay attention to me. He's like, oh yes, I'm gonna pay attention to you, and then, and then he got a call to go fishing.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it was very funny, but it was about the relationship between a man and a woman.
Speaker 1:And it was so funny because it was maybe 60 years ago and it could be today. And it was this the the ridiculousness between the man and the woman. The man wanted to do what he wanted to do and the woman wanted her to do what he, she wanted him to do.
Speaker 2:We can't put a politically correct blanket over it. And, you know, pretend it's not there. Because I think pretending it's not there is more offensive, because it detracts from our qualities, the things that make us who we are the things that make us who we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I do think there. I think we're now at a point where there are there we all. Well, we all we have okay, because I've been. Maybe we could talk about this because I think this is so interesting. So david, who listened, so thank you, david.
Speaker 1:He was asking, he like doesn't know if he believes in astrology, and he said you just make it. You, it could be based on anybody. And I was like I don't think so. It is. So each of us have planets in our chart and there are all masculine and feminine planets. So we each have masculine and feminine in us, right, but is there an innate?
Speaker 1:But I do think there's an innate difference, like if you not always, but and I don't have boys, I have girls, but I do see that there's a difference between what boys are interested and what girls are interested in it. Pretty like, my girls are very comfortable just hanging around the house and doing nothing, and then anytime there's a boy here, the visits. They don't want to sit around the house and lay around the house, they always want to be moving. And and I was thinking that's different there is something and I'm not saying I don't have a girl that kind of moves around a lot, but we're very happy we get to sit in this house all weekend long and everyone I know that has children that have boys. They can't. They cannot sit around the house. They have to go and do something because their boy will literally not be very happy. So is that?
Speaker 2:I don't know really not be very happy. So is that? I don't know. I think that's energy. That is energy, that's feminine energy and masculine energy. I think that's a perfect example of it. And even saying that, I hope people don't think that I'm trying to say that one is superior to the other, that I don't believe that at all, I never did. But these energies are complementary. They interact with each other as they're meant to. If they didn't, if they, if they didn't have complementary qualities, they wouldn't work the way they do. There has to be this uniqueness. Just like light is different than dark, it's the dichotomy that brings the energy which is life-affirming.
Speaker 2:It's incredibly positive.
Speaker 1:It is. It is really positive. And how about if, yeah, you need the opposite? I mean, if you even astrology is all opposites right, it's like the balance of the two and having how to get it right. So I mean, how do you get the feminine and the masculine right in all of it, right within everybody? But there's a, there is an interesting and I'm not saying that there's not exceptions to the rule, because there are there's always exceptions to the rule.
Speaker 1:But I will say to you ever see why women get mad at men? This is a stereotype and people are not going to like it. But okay, there's this book. It's called like why men love bitches. Did you ever hear of this book?
Speaker 1:It's like the most popular book and it is. It's brilliant. It is. It is brilliant and the stupidest thing you've ever read ever. And it tells you, like, how to get a guy. It's like so simple. You just have to be interested in what they're saying. Yes, ask them questions, yes, you have to agree with them. You have to say yes, and it's like very simple and it's very instinctual. It's a very instinctual book, actually, and it sold millions and millions of copies. But if you ever realize why women get mad at men, it's because they're not understood. Like he doesn't understand why I'm so upset about this. Are we more? Are women naturally more emotional, and does that make us better or worse? No, I actually think it makes us intuitive and brilliant and interesting. And maybe, you know, maybe that's the gift. People just said that's not a good thing in business, but that actually is a good thing in business, because you need to be intuitive.
Speaker 2:Right. And I think men Are always puzzled and intrigued, but also fascinated by that. They're there, they get drawn into it, you know, and it's perfectly fine. They, they want to understand, they want to know. But I think there's, you know, their, their temperament is just different. Their thinking process is different. Not better, not worse, but I think's magical for you.
Speaker 1:I think it's magical too. You said something that, like that, was so fascinating to me, because I think today especially we're actually being today, actually, with the way the planets are in the sky, is it's a question how about if no one wanted to be better than anybody else, that everyone just be the best, that they can be Right? And there is no. Why do we have to have anyone better than another person?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Is that what it was? Cause you said something really interesting and I I think it's. I think there's something to dissect here. You said I think there's a difference between men and women, and not that I think that men are better. And I think there's something to dissect here. You said I think there's a difference between men and women, and not that I think that men are better. And I think that's such an interesting comment because I would never think that you would think that.
Speaker 2:No, I wouldn't, I don't, I don't, but I just assume.
Speaker 1:Back in the day like so where, where? Okay, where do you think that came from? Let's say, you had a comment like that and it came from the ethers, right, you just said something like that because maybe there is some belief or man-made concept that people believe that. Does that make sense? I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, I know exactly what you mean. The reason I said that is because I think, when you're trying to say that there's a difference between men, men and women, I think if a man says it, it can be interpreted as they're not equal. One is better than the other, and that that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's, they're not equal, but one is not better than the other. They're a perfect, they're perfectly aligned with each other. They they bring out the best in each other and they push you into growth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, without those changes there'd be no growth. Well, it's, it's an interesting thing. It's like if you're, if you're like, say, if you're married, right, if it's. If two people are too similar and they don't have it, if it will, you will use if they don't have as much conflict they're. Usually people don't stay together because you don't have that growth that you need. So the opposite, or even the, the things that are difficult about not understanding the other person, become the greatest gifts of the relationship. If everything's just easy, if we were the same, there would be no growth.
Speaker 1:So I think that's an interesting thing to think men, women, how there's. I mean, I would think if you go to schools at a very young age, you could see the difference between. Well, my daughter was a teacher with boys and she was very, she was good with boys and and she would say there's just a very big difference. There's a very big difference. At a very or like she could see it, they were very different. That's why they say all boys schools and all girls schools actually work, because you could teach to how they learn, how they experience things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and girls have a much more mature awareness of things than boys yeah and their frontal lobes.
Speaker 1:Like girls, frontal lobes develop much earlier. Like a boy's frontal lobes don't develop to their 24, literally, and so you wonder why boys do crazier things in 20 or 21 than the girls do, right? You think about like fraternity, hazing and all that and what they they could do, right? It's partly that they're low, that maybe it's meant to be that way. Maybe it's so that they take more risks. They take more chances because they're not really worried about the consequences. I don't know. That's kind of fascinating to think about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. The thing is there is a difference, I mean, but there's nothing wrong with the difference, it's okay. No.
Speaker 1:And there and I cause I keep on thinking like I wrote this essay, I didn't do anything with it and I was like, well, what do I? What am I going to do? I'm white, I can't change that, Right. I can apologize for it and I really mean it Like I think the oponopono is. I'm sorry, please forgive me. I love you, Thank you, and so I do. Oponopono work a lot of times if I have nothing to do with even the situation, but I better like myself because I can't change this. This is it. This is as good as I'm getting right. I'm going to get older, I'm going to get saggier and I don't want to feel guilty about being something because I am something.
Speaker 2:And I don't want to feel guilty about being a man, you know, and I don't think anyone really wants us to feel guilty.
Speaker 1:That's the thing I don't think. It doesn't support anything. It doesn't make our lives better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think that there's. You know, the political correctness can go to extremes and it can make people afraid to express themselves. And it's a. It's a different kind of oppression If, if you're made to believe that you know you're, whatever qualities you have Are the same as everybody else's qualities, exactly the same, no difference. That's a, that's?
Speaker 1:I don't think that's a way, like you, like you look at a butterfly right or a snowflake there, there's not one snowflake that's alike. There's not one butterfly that's alike. So, although humans have that's alike, there's not one butterfly that's alike. So, although humans have similar things that we'll experience, there's no huge humans. This is my. There's no two humans that are exactly alike, dna wise, how they're going to grow up, how they were raised. Like two people can be born on the same exact day, at the same exact time, and they have different environments, their situation will be very different.
Speaker 2:And they have very unique temperaments and physical characteristics, and those are the things that need to be recognized.
Speaker 1:They can't be ignored, yeah, and maybe appreciated. I think maybe that's the whole message of this pluto aquarius energy. How do we like ourselves for our differences, how do we like being who we are and like ourselves for what makes us different? Because, I mean, maybe that's what makes the. That's where the changes come in. Did you? I actually just heard this? Did you hear this? This is so interesting. Who was it? It the who created the light bulb? Edison, was it? Yeah, so he was considered. They said he was like he went to school and they said he was like he. They called him names. They said he couldn't learn anything, that he couldn't. It was a really true story. And they, they said he pretty much will not figure out how to do anything. And he created the light bulb. It's like what I don't, I don't know it's.
Speaker 2:It's be careful who you believe yeah, he and he, he it took. I'm sure it took a tremendous amount of willpower for him not to conform, not to let society tell him that he was handicapped in some way. He had a, he had hearing loss, I know that. But but if he had conformed, he never would have reached his full potential and everyone, we all, would have suffered for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I keep thinking. I keep on thinking about how I don't know we're. I think that we're supposed to be uniquely ourselves. I'm very good at that. I kind of always beat by my own drum. I've done, done my own thing. I've never really. I always seemed like an outsider, but I do think that everybody feels like an outsider. I used to think it was. I always seemed like an outsider, but I do think that everybody feels like an outsider.
Speaker 2:I used to think it was just me that feels like an outsider.
Speaker 1:I think some people are just better at faking it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know Right. I think that if you actually talk to most people, most people don't feel like they fit in. That's my theory. My theory is this that that is why people drink. That's why people drink and they do drugs, because so you ever go to okay, you ever go watch like a, a group of people at a party. They're always drinking because they also don't feel like they fit in. So they're like, well, we'll just drink so we could match the energy together. And I think some people are better than others at pretending that they fit in. But how did we all decided that we, we went in and we were like, yeah, I. Others at pretending that they fit in. But how did we all decided that we, we went in and we were like, yeah, I don't feel like I fit in, everyone would. It would be interesting to see what everyone, what the differences were than the similarities.
Speaker 2:Right and there's just an uncomfortableness about you know completely embracing your uniqueness and that when you're interacting with other people, there is, I think there's a pressure to conform, to put a lid on your uniqueness, and, of course, drinking and drugs helps you suppress all of those things.
Speaker 1:It literally puts a lid on it. Like it like I think of, like alcohol, and it like dampens the light in you, right it? Just in the beginning you feel like you have a sip and it's like, and then afterwards it does, it just makes you lower. It's a very interesting, but it is interesting to to see. I can't believe that this has become such a a topic.
Speaker 1:That is so something we were so have to be so careful with talking about exactly I I just know that I have girls, so it's've always said this is not as a big deal for me. But I said if I had a boy and they were saying this stuff about my boy, like I don't. Everyone keeps on saying it's men that caused. Okay, I'm going to say something really controversial. I'm not going to like it. Everyone keeps on saying that it was men that have kept women down. I'm going to say something that most people won't say and it's going to make me very uncomfortable and maybe not liked. I have experienced that it's a lot of times women that keep women down.
Speaker 2:I've heard that before Many times, Many times you know and I'll listen.
Speaker 1:I will say this I am so grateful that the Me Too movement happened, because that was the way a man did keep women down. There was very much that. I've experienced that and I remember thinking I hope for my. I was like, oh, maybe my prayers came true. I hope, by the time our children become older, that somehow that does change, because that was so societal. Do you want to hear a story? I'll tell you a story. So you know the whole Harvey Weinstein thing.
Speaker 1:When that came out, donna Karan was interviewed and you know she's like a real feminist, donna Karan. She's a very spiritual woman. You kind of look up to her. This was a long time ago and she said I will never forget it bothered the crap out of me since I heard it. She said you know, what do you expect Like? So she said like Harvey Weinstein's getting in trouble? She said what do you expect when women dress the way they do? And I thought and I remember thinking, oh my God, did she just say that she's a designer? If I want to walk around naked, that doesn't give anyone the right to touch me, right? So she was a designer and I had to sit with this for a long time.
Speaker 1:It wasn't her fault. She was trained to believe that somehow it was the woman's fault. Right, that's what she believed, but except for every time there was a situation where the man had power you think of Epstein, you think of Harvey Weinstein there was always a woman that opened that door for them. There was a secretary that was the safety keeper in. I think Harvey Weinstein and what's his name? It was the? What's her name? The partner, giselle Maxwell. I think Harvey Weinstein and what's his name? It was the what's her name? The partner.
Speaker 2:Giselle Maxwell.
Speaker 1:I think so. She was the one that got most of those girls. She was the one that went out and got them. It was a woman who put them in that situation. The man might've done something, but there was a woman behind it. Isn't that fascinating? I didn't even think about that. Now that I said that.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's, yeah, it's yes, it's, yeah, it's um, it wasn't just. It's just interesting and right. And I'll say to you, donna karen, that's the generation she grew up in. She didn't know any different. It was her programming. So is it really her fault that she said that?
Speaker 1:no, she just that's how it's always been, but that's my mother's way I think, and you and you even go back to Bill Clinton and they were sexual. He was a sexual person. He was a sexual person. They knew exactly what they were doing when they put that girl in that room. He had. He's a very sexual man. He just is a very I'm sure he still is a very sexual man, right, my?
Speaker 2:mother had something similar to say about. You know, know the whole Me Too movement and you know her position. I think was generational and that is well. You know. If you want to be an actress, you know you're pushing your body on everybody, but that's her bias.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Kim Cattrall. So Kim Cattrall like 15 years ago. So you know who I'm talking about. The girl from sex she was on Howard Stern, I think it was 15 years ago, and she had this conversation. That was the only way you could get in the like that was just there was the couch and if you want to be in the industry, a lot of people. This is what you do and you get to choose. I mean, again, it's wrong, but it was such a normal conversation. She said it like it was nothing. This was 15 years ago. I remember it very vividly and I thought, yep, that's why I wouldn't want to be in that industry, Because it's hard and I'm not saying everyone did do that because there are people that didn't have to do that, but right kind of, if you, you had no choice, right.
Speaker 2:But I think that's the bias that there's. There was somehow an acceptance of it, even though it's, but by accepting, women too.
Speaker 1:Women accepted it. Do you know the story? Do you know the story of susan? This is an interesting story. You know the story of susan summers okay no you're gonna love this.
Speaker 1:So susan summers was on three's company. It was a really successful company. It was really great, right. So she decided that she doesn't think that. Okay, susan summers, like the girl from, okay she, this is actually so cool.
Speaker 1:I ended up going down this whole road rabbit hole. She decided that it wasn't good that Jack, that Jack Ritter right, the guy was getting paid so much more. So she came up and she said listen, I think that me and this other girl should be paid the same amount. We should be the same amount. Okay, are you sitting down? They decided that's not happening, because Laverne and Shirley had just done something very similar. And then they got paid a lot of money and they're like we're not letting women do this. We're not letting women do this. Do you know what the kicker was? It wasn't John Ritter that had a problem with it, it was the other woman. The other woman said no, she's wrong and we shouldn't be paid that much. We're just women. And and I'll take this smaller amount. And she did.
Speaker 1:And within a year, you know, suzanne Summer was off the show. And then they, and then that was like they were going to give the women a lesson. Now who's to say that it was just men up there. I don't know, there could have been women up there too, but it was. That woman didn't stick by her. That woman would threw her under the bus and, lo and behold, she ended up doing like Thighmaster. She made so much money and but she was like a real game changer on, like the whole hormones, the whole woman's thing. We should look at her chart, yeah. But it was another woman who was like no and then really went off on her and then no one asked for another raise equal amount to men, until Roseanne Barr I think it was eight or nine years later because everyone was scared that they would get fired.
Speaker 2:So this is exactly the bias. What lesson was she supposed to learn? Please, somebody tell me. Why would you say to a woman you need to learn your lesson. You would never say that to a man, Because there is no lesson to be learned. She's trying to. She's looking for equal pay.
Speaker 1:Think about this If women stood together back then, right, if women stood back together, women, they would need women. Then you would have, like laverne and charlie, they were together, they were two women together and they became powerhouses, right, but they were together. Years later, you see, friends, they were together, but they were girls. Three women that stuck together, didn't I mean, yeah, like what wasn't? Are you gonna learn? But think about it. You needed a woman on the show, so women had come together and said listen, we're worth it, we're worth being paid. That it would be a very different world way back when.
Speaker 2:Right, because they had to be brave enough and be firm in their convictions and be love themselves enough to say this is unacceptable. This, this is not right and I won't stand for it.
Speaker 1:And with men too. I mean you watch men all the time, Right, Not loving themselves, not knowing their value. I mean you see people, both men and women. Is it really what we believe about ourselves? Like is is pay grade? Okay, let's say now, is pay grade something to do? Would a man be more apt to ask for a raise than a woman? Yeah, I think it's value, when they get paid their value because they would say I'm worth it.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I think there is a bias here as well, because I think men are raised to stick up for themselves and demand the race that's expected of the man. Women are not raised that way, or they at least they weren't yeah, and I wonder I wonder if that, if it could change.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and well, but I also think that, okay, there's a difference between a man you ever see a man and men and women. You could tell me this maybe it's not like the man you ever notice that if the man's angry or said something, they just get into a fight with another man and it's over. I don't know if that's your experience. And women it's like sits there and it's like they don't tell you what they really feel and they're just angry at you yeah it like I don't know it.
Speaker 1:So maybe there's just maybe if we would take on some of the traits of the masculine, that's maybe instead of making it wrong, and we could see how we could each take on more traits If we're, maybe we're jealous of something that men do, and maybe we could be more like them in that way. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I do think there's a there's an interesting thing with women. Yeah, I do think there's a there's an interesting thing with women. I guess it like maybe for lifetimes there wasn't enough room for women, right? Well, even men, right, if you think about the fact that okay, I keep on thinking of heiress, and the story of heiress is that she throws the apple and then the women three women go after it, and then the women three women go after it, and one of the women that went after it was being cheated on by her husband, by a woman.
Speaker 2:It's a very interesting thing of like where, why we? Why we think there's not enough room, right? So yeah, and so again, it's interesting that you, you talk about guys actually coming to blows and then letting off steam and forgetting about it. Absolutely true. But again, there's this bias, because you imagine, if there was a bar brawl of women, just women getting into a bar brawl it would be, it would be a headline in the news and it would not be looked upon. The news and it would not be looked upon, it would be looked upon as an aberration, you know, whereas guys can have bar brawls, you know, every night of the week. If that was what they chose to do, no one would blink an eye. But so that's the cultural bias. It's which is, you know, it's okay. Do you think the guys to do it?
Speaker 1:from what we learn from tv. Do you think it's like so, let's say somebody was born, let's say you had two kids, or you had all these kids that were born. They didn't watch any tv, they didn't have any outside? What would happen with would? Would? Would they naturally do that versus? It's an interesting question. Yes, probably right, like instinctively. There would be a difference, maybe, or if no, if they weren't because women aren't to say if it's, it's the idea that women aren't taught to. Well, we were taught very differently. We were taught to be good, be quiet, kind of stay silent, right, but I, I kind of think all kids were at that age, like I know my boys that were friends with them. They were not like talking either yeah, I think it's like.
Speaker 1:You know, I think it raised where you had a big opinion in your house, or did you tell your mother?
Speaker 2:say like just, no, no, no, we were, we had, we had to be obedient. But I just just think, you know, these, these things accumulate as you grow up and again it can be overt messaging or subtle messaging, but and then there's the, you know, the peer pressure of the people that are around you reinforcing these things, the peer pressure of the people that are around you reinforcing these things.
Speaker 1:So they're, they're. They're hard to overcome. Yeah, you would never. Yeah, but I do think it's interesting about the, the letting off steam and I guess, being straight, being honest, having honest conversations, right, saying to someone like you just hurt my feelings, like that's like the punch right, like you hurt my feelings. Well, girls are very interesting and I think there's a difference between girls and boys. Girls are there. Did you ever see the movie, the TV show, mean Girls? You know what Mean Girls is? So it was based on this girl who wrote a book. You know that, and she also wrote a book about boys too. So that'd be interesting to see how she saw boys and girls differences. But there's always this group of girls and in order to get power in the group of girls, the trick is to leave somebody out, which actually works in boys too, right? So it's like they leave somebody out. That's where they get the power, because oh, they're anyway. So I don't know, does that happen? I think that does happen with boys too.
Speaker 2:Now that I think about it yeah, you don't want to be left out. Whether you're doesn't matter, if you're a boy or a girl, you don't want to be left out of the group. So you know. And again, guys are encouraged to be physical if they need to, and women are definitely not. That's the last resort. For women.
Speaker 1:Do you think that now that's the case now? Do you think that we're being? What do you think is happening now?
Speaker 2:it is the case that if boys are more, it's assumed that boys will get in, get into physical fights, and that is just not acceptable for girls, just not.
Speaker 1:I still I don't think that has changed yeah, well, if you think about, like I was thinking about, I was thinking about sports, and how, if you look at athletes we're looking at Tiger Woods's chart right, because my David's like not believing in astrology like let's look at Tiger Woods's chart and Tiger Woods has Mars right on top of his chart. Which is this aggression? It's, it's it's athleticism, and I wonder, if it's why, why women's sports are not as popular as men's sports? Like men's sports are much more competitive. They're God, this is going to sound hard much more aggressive right Versus like the way women yeah, it's different. I mean, yes, tennis, I think, is, you see, I don't know, I don't know Very interesting question.
Speaker 1:There are lots of questions to ask about all this and it's a very touchy subject, but I do think that it's a subject that probably should be talked about more and we should be having conversations that are really uncomfortable to understand what it is that we believe and why we believe it. And we're at a point, with Jupiter and Gemini, where we better be questioning everything we believe and why we believe it. And is it helpful for us in the higher good of us being the best souls we can be?
Speaker 2:Yes, I don't think it's something that we should be afraid to talk about, because we're, you know, we're putting pressure on ourselves.
Speaker 1:But we might get cut off the group.
Speaker 2:That's right. Right, we might get smeared and all of this. You know what I'm noticing?
Speaker 1:that it's, it's the time to go? Yes.
Speaker 2:Getting close to time to go. This happened so fast, courtney, in the blink of an eye, I feel like we just started a conversation.
Speaker 1:I have no clue what we said. I have no clue what we said. I think I talked a lot, but hopefully I didn't talk too much.
Speaker 2:It was great, it was a great conversation Really, really, you know, pushing the boundaries, which I think is great, and I don't think we held back and I certainly I was speaking from my heart.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I was too, and I just love everybody. So, whatever gender you are, whatever you are, whatever religion you are, I love you.
Speaker 2:Love your religion and your gender and your age and your hair color and your eye color and your weight. Love it all.
Speaker 1:Amen, I'll see you later.