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I love that bookstore."},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2709.9,"endTime":2713.44,"body":"She does such wonderful work"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2713.44,"endTime":2717.34,"body":"with indie authors. So yeah, you"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2713.44,"endTime":2717.34,"body":"can find me at all those places,"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2717.34,"endTime":2721.68,"body":"and if you search for me on your"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2717.34,"endTime":2721.68,"body":"favorite independent bookstore,"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2721.68,"endTime":2724.38,"body":"especially if it's a romance"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2721.68,"endTime":2724.38,"body":"theme. 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I had a blast"},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2750.02,"endTime":2753.32,"body":"speaking with you about this."},{"speaker":"Ruby Rana","startTime":2753.32,"endTime":2754.4,"body":"Thank you so much."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2762.68,"endTime":2762.8,"body":"You."}]}