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I did not miss"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1741.26,"endTime":1744.44,"body":"the books that everybody else"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1744.44,"endTime":1749.06,"body":"was talking about, and I was"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1744.44,"endTime":1749.06,"body":"having a blast reading the books"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1749.06,"endTime":1753.92,"body":"that I wanted to read."},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1749.06,"endTime":1753.92,"body":"Absolutely it's so worth it. And"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1753.92,"endTime":1756.8,"body":"I think that if we are following"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1753.92,"endTime":1756.8,"body":"people, it'll help a lot. Now,"},{"speaker":"Alesia Galati","startTime":1756.8,"endTime":1759.98,"body":"what are some of those? 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