The Napkin In Between

Don't Follow Me Before You Watch This...

• Daijné Jones • Season 1 • Episode 45

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If a single word can spark a fight, it’s rarely about the word. We open the door to a bigger, braver conversation: why “cis” and “trans” are descriptive terms, how sex and gender actually differ, and what it takes to create a space where learning beats defensiveness. We’re celebrating a creator milestone with our show landing in Spotify’s top 5%, but the takeaway isn’t just the numbers. It’s the responsibility that comes with growth and the promise we’re making to our community: we’ll keep telling the truth, even when it stings, because that’s how we all get smarter and safer.

I share how imposter feelings collide with gratitude, why a global audience reminds me that language has power, and where the conversation often goes off the rails—especially around “real women.” We unpack the misogyny and transphobia hiding in that phrase, show how outrage at the term “cis” often masks deeper bias, and lay out a clear, simple map of sex vs gender. Then we zoom out to the structure holding all of this up: intersectionality. Racism, transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny reinforce each other. You can’t challenge one and ignore the rest. The standard in this space is anti, not just “not.” That means listening to understand, asking better questions, and setting firm boundaries against bigotry.

If you’re here for growth, curiosity, and straight talk, you’ll feel at home. If you want a safe space where people can learn without fear and words are used to describe rather than divide, pull up a chair. And if accountability makes you bristle, this might not be your room. Subscribe to stay part of a community that learns out loud, share this with someone who’s ready to rethink their language, and leave a review with the moment that challenged you most.

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Is this thing on? Hello, hello. Uh-oh. Another yucca with the mic. Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Napkin in between podcast. I am your host, Daijne Jones. I hope everyone's been having a good week except for that Orange Ink Lady. Of course. I hope everyone has been enjoying the closing of 2025. I feel like this time of the year, like the burrs, you know, I'm talking about September, October, November, December, those are quadruplets, by the way. I love that time of the year. First of all, I feel like when I was growing up, I was definitely like team summer. Summer was my favorite season. But as I get older, like summer be too fucking hot, bitch. Like, god damn. Also, because global warming. We love that. But I just feel like every year, like the summers are getting hotter and hotter, and I'm just like, fuck, bitch. Like, our our planet is quite literally screaming for us to stop, and we're not stopping. Anyway, conversation for another day. But I feel like now I really appreciate as I'm older, I appreciate like spring and fall. Cause it's like not as hot. Like I feel like summer is way too hot, and winter, especially this winter in New York, it has been so cold. Like, and usually I feel like it doesn't get as cold as it is now until like January, February. But it's been so fucking cold. Like, and someone told me, I can't remember who, but someone told me that this year is supposed to be like a record cold winter for New York, and I'm just like, fuck, hate that for me. But anyway, sorry, I keep getting off track. My brain's all over the place today. I really feel like I might have ADHD. I should probably get tested because like I can never just like have a conversation. Like it has to be like so many different tangents. Anyway, I'm so sorry. What I'm trying to say is I really appreciate spring and fall as I've gotten older because I feel like like summer is way too hot and winter's way too cold. And like September, October, November, December is like my favorite time of the year because it's fall and like the leaves are changing. I love all the pretty colors. Also, Halloween, one of my favorite holidays, my birthday, and I just feel like I really enjoy looking back on the year and seeing like the progress that I've made. And so at what I was trying to say for the beginning is that one of my favorite things when like the year comes to a wrap is my Spotify raped. Like I love seeing like what I listened to over the year and who my top artists are and my top albums and stuff like that. But in addition to my Spotify rap this year, I also got a Spotify rapped for creators because of my podcast. And it didn't even really occur to me that I would be getting that. But like when I got the the notification yesterday, like here's your Spotify rep for creators, I was like, oh shit. Like duh, I'm getting a Spotify rep for creators because of my podcast on Spotify. And YouTube and Apple, like wherever you get your podcast, but specifically for Spotify, because that's where at least that's where I only get my rap. I don't know if any other platform does rapt, but obviously I know it's on Spotify. So it was really cool to see my my Spotify rap for creators on Spotify. And I just want to take a moment to say, I know I say this a lot, and I'm gonna keep fucking saying it because I'm just so grateful that all of you are here and like I don't understand sometimes why y'all wanna hear me yap. I just feel like I have not really imposter syndrome, but more of like okay, maybe it is imposter syndrome, I don't know what it's called, but it's like I feel like why are y'all here? Like what why do y'all wanna hear me yap? Why do y'all wanna listen to this random girl just sit in her bed and talk all the time? I don't understand it, but I'm very, very grateful that you guys are all here. And in my Spotify Wrapped as a creator, like I started my podcast last year, December 29th, was the first um day that I uploaded a podcast. So we're coming on the up, we're coming up on the pod's first birthday. Like, ah, that's so crazy. But in this like almost year that I've had the podcast, like I was like in my Spotify Wrapped, and it said that my podcast show was in the top 5% of shows on Spotify, and I'm just like, what the fuck? I like and when I first saw that number, I was like, how many shows are there on Spotify? Like 10? Like, how am I in the top 5%? And when I looked it up, it says that there's more than 250,000 shows on on Spotify, and my show is in the top 5%. Like that, that just like blows my mind because I'm like, what are y'all doing here? Like, why are y'all here? What's happening? And I'm extremely grateful for it because I've always wanted a podcast, I've always wanted to talk. I love to talk, but again, sometimes I'm just like, why? Why are y'all here? Why are y'all listening? Like, why are y'all tuned in? And even though, like, I really do try my hardest to put out well-informed content that's also entertaining and funny because some of the things that we talk about are extremely heavy, and so I I try to like make it educational but also funny in the in at the same time, so that it's not so like heavy. And so I do think that like not to toot my own horn, but like to two, I do think that my content is educational and funny and like important, but still at the same time, I'm just like, why are y'all here? Like, oh, I don't know. I'm just feeling very grateful and seeing the growth that I've had in just like again, this a little less than a year is just like really, really crazy. And I'm just so grateful that all of you are here and and tuning in and listening and hopefully learning something, and I'm learning things along the way as well. Like, sometimes I'll say something, and I love like I love having a smart community, you know what I mean? Like, I can say something, and then y'all will add on to that thing. And I just feel like I've gotten messages and DMs from you guys telling me like I've learned so much from you, like, thank you for your content, but like at the same time, I'm also learning from you guys, and I just am so grateful that you guys are here. I love having a smart community, like y'all are tea as fuck. Ah y'all are so tea, and I just love you guys so much, and I'm so grateful that you guys are here. Like, you guys have no idea how much this means to me, and I don't even think that I could really put it into words of just like how grateful I am and how much I truly appreciate you guys, and we've been through a lot, like I've been doing content since 2022. Yeah. October, October 22nd, 2022 was the first day that I uploaded on TikTok where I was just like, fuck it. Cause I've always wanted to do content. I've talked about this before, so I'm not gonna get super into it, but content has always been something that I've been interested in and wanting to do, but I was always so afraid to do it. And then one day I was just like, why? Like, why am I scared? Why why does it matter? Like, I'm not hurting anybody, so why wouldn't I just do the thing that I want to do? Like, I would rather try and fail at this thing than not try at all. And so I I started uploading videos on the October 22nd, 2022 is my first time. And since that time, specifically on TikTok, like that's where I started. Um, I've gone through three accounts, three accounts in three years is fucking crazy. But as most of y'all or some of y'all might know, like, because the content that I posted talking about like racism and calling out all of the things, all of the bigotry, um, TikTok doesn't like that very much. So I've gotten my accounts banned, um, and I'm on my third account now, and y'all just keep finding me, and it's just really crazy, and I'm just super grateful for it, and I I cannot express enough how much like all of this means to me, and how much I appreciate all of you guys being here and how grateful I am. So that has been the peak of my week. It's just like it was like a pleasant surprise to see that I was getting a Spotify rap for creators, but then like opening it and seeing like what it said, like my audience, how much my audience has grown, and me being in the top five percent of shows, like I was just like blown away. And my top five countries is like US, Canada, United Kingdom, South Africa, and Australia. And I'm like, who the fuck in Australia is tuning into my content? But I'm just like, fuck, like a bitch is global, that's crazy, and it's it's genuinely only up from here. Like, we can only keep getting better, and I'm just so grateful for all of you in Australia and South Africa, like wherever you are tuning in. I'm I'm so grateful. So thank you so so much for being here. I genuinely cannot express how much it means to me and how grateful I am, and it's just been the peak of my week to have a look see at this past year and and what we've all accomplished together. So I'm very grateful, and just seeing all of you here has been the peak of my week. Please tell me the peak of your week, something that made you smile, kept you grounded, kept you sane in the chaos of the world. And speaking of all of you being here, segments of what we're gonna talk about today, I as I've said, I'm very, very grateful that all of you are here and tuning in and hopefully learning something, and you know, we're on this journey together. However, multiple things can be true at once, and so at the same time, I wanted to put out a little, I don't know if it's like a PSA or like a a heads up, whatever you want to call it. Whether you've been here for a while, whether you're just now finding me, I feel like you need to watch this video before you subscribe to me, follow me, whatever you want to call it. Because while I feel like people can really resonate with my content, I need you to also understand that there might be times where when I'm calling something out, you might be the person that I'm I'm talking to. You might be the person that I'm calling out. I think that all forms of bigotry need to be addressed and need to be called out, and so sometimes that'll be racism, probably most of the time, because I feel like that's you know the the biggest one or like the root of a lot of bigotry. But also, I'm gonna call it homophobia, I'm gonna call it transphobia, I'm gonna call it xenophobia, and my wish and my hope is that when I'm calling you out, or when I'm calling that thing out, and you feel like I'm talking to you, I hope that you'll look inner, and I hope that you'll do some introspection as to why you might be feeling a certain way about the thing that I said, and I'm saying this because I posted a video about a week or so ago now, at the time that I'm filming this, and I'm gonna put the video in here so that you know you guys can see what I'm talking about. And I don't mean to ruffle any feathers because I'm more interested in clearing the whole coop. You find the term sis offensive because you've used the word trans offensively. I know what you are, you're not I was think about you're not hiding. I see right through you. You think the term sis is offensive because you've used the term trans offensively. You're a part of the problem. Go unpack that because the term sis has been around for forever. It's not new, it's not this new wage term, it's not woke, it's not it's been around forever. It's new to you, and you think it's offensive because you've used the word trans offensively. Why? Right, right. Let's unpack that. Unlike JLo's vocals in her songs, I need y'all to be so fucking for real. You're a part of the problem. Go unpack that shit. Hope this helps. Peace and love. Talk to you later. So when I posted that video, as I said, I knew that it was gonna ruffle some feathers. I knew that I was gonna get some pushback. And then and now I said what I said. Because it's true. People think of the word sis offensively and sis C I S, not S I S. People were in the comments like, sis, like what do you mean sis? Like, I thought that was a term of endearment, and then I'm like, no, sis, like C-I-S, not S I S. Like, not the short term of sister, like sis. Um, anyway, some people view the word sis offensively because they've used the word trans offensive. And I don't just mean like you yourself has used the word trans offensively, but whether or not you've outright used the word offensively, there's some form of like negative connotation that you hold with that word, otherwise, you would not find the term cis offensive. And I I said what I said, and I meant what I said, and as I asked in the video, and I'll ask again today, why do you find the words cis or trans offensive? Because here's the thing they're just adjectives, they're just used as a describing word, the same way that you when you describe someone, you might describe them as short or tall or pretty or strong or resilient or whatever. Like it's just a descriptive word. All it means when you refer to someone as a cis person, it just means that their gender is in alignment with the sex that they were given at birth or assigned at birth, and and that's a thing. Oh Lord have mercy. George Bush will pay for his fucking crimes because some of y'all really should have been left behind. Because the way in the big year of 2025, gender and sex still kicks y'all's ass. Oh Lord have mercy. Open the fucking schools. Open the fucking schools. A person's sex refers to their biological characteristics, so like your chromosomes, your anatomy, whether you have a penis or a vagina. That is your sex. Gender is a social construct, it was made up, made up to categorize and put people in specific boxes, partially to help the patriarchy. Conversation for another day, but that is how you express yourself according to like society norms or gender roles, right? So it's like things like wearing dresses or painting your nails, like that is more associated to the gender of a woman. Whereas things like, well, used to, now men have mics and podcasts, but like they used to pick up hammers and build shit. Like that is more geared toward the gender of a man, right? So when your gender and your gender expression aligns with the sex that you were assigned at birth, that means that you are cisgender. On the other hand, when your gender and your gender expression do not align with the sex that you were assigned at birth, that makes you transgender. So that means there's two categories, right? There's either you're either cisgender or you're transgender. So everyone falls into one of the two categories. It's literally just a description. It it that's that's all it is. It is just a describing fucking word. That's it. And it's like I don't understand why people get so upset about that. Because we all fall like if you're not one, you're the other. They're literally all just descriptive words to describe a person. So why does that bother you? Like, I don't understand because the other descriptive words don't seem to bother people, right? Like they're just they're just describing words. So why why does that bother you? Sis bothers you because you f you find the word whether either you've used it offensively or somehow deep rooted inside of you, you find the word trans offensive for whatever reason. And that reason is rooted in bigotry, and that's why I say like I wanted to put it a little PSA because when I posted that video, I had so many people in my comments like, Oh, I followed you for a really long time and I I really like your content, but this ain't it. It is it. You're just you the reason you don't like this one, you find all the other times I call people out, you you fuck with it. The only reason you don't like this one is because you're being called out, and it's okay to to to be called out, you know what I mean? Like we're all still learning, right? We're all still learning and growing, and and we live in a fucked up, bigoted white supremacist world, and this is why I always say you have to be anti those things. You can't just say, Oh, I'm not, I'm not racist, I'm not transphobic, I'm not homophobic. No, you have to be anti-racist, homophobic, transphobic, whatever it is. Because if you are not anti those things, you will be those things. I had so many people in the comments like, I don't care what you want to be called, I'll call you whatever you want, but like I just want the same respect. I I don't want to be called a cis, whatever. Like, I I'm just a woman or whatever. Like, we'll get to that in a second. Because in my video, I never specified a gender. Let me get there. Wait, wait, wait. But it's like what you're saying, like, oh, I'm just a woman, like I just want to be called a woman. That's that's all it is, right? That's all the cis or trans are like you're like it's not some like crazy thing that was like people think it was like made up yesterday. The words trans and sis have been around forever, forever, they're new to you, and that's okay. I'm not trying to say, like, you know, it's there's anything wrong with the words being new to you, but there's something very odd about like the discomfort of like y'all learning new things, like there's so much pushback on it when all it means is exactly what you're saying, and another thing that I found very interesting is in my video I didn't say anything about women or men, but there are so many people in the comments like, oh my god, you guys just want to attack women and and we just want to be called women, and why why is there so much focus on women and real women, which is oozing with transphobia when you say like oh we need to listen to real women and what they want to be called, da da da da. What's a real woman? What's a real woman? Define that for me real quick because you don't even like you don't even realize the transphobia that you're saying right now, real woman as opposed to what a fake woman, so now you're saying that trans women are not women, like this is what I'm saying. This is why we have to be not be so combative. We need to listen to understand rather than listening to respond. Because again, I didn't add a gender to it. Trans men exist, cis men exist, right? But y'all wanted to make it all about trans women because on top of your transphobia, you also have internalized misogyny. Yep, yep, that misogyny is crazy because I never said anything, I never specified a gender. All I said was cis and trans, because again, trans men exist and cis men exist, just as trans women exist and cis women exist. But I didn't see not one comment on that video. I posted it on TikTok, on Instagram, on threads, on Facebook. I don't look for my Facebook comments, that shit is scary. I'll be honest. But I I'm I'm down to I feel like I it's I can make a pretty good guess, and I'd probably win. Like if I bet money on it, I'd probably win. That there's not too many people or any people at all, I would venture to say. Who said anything about trans men or cis men? It's always the focus is always on trans women, and that I need y'all to understand too is rooted in misogyny. Y'all just want to attack and hate women. Unpack that shit. Like, ew, ew! I hate, I hate a hating ass bitch. Like, why are you hating? Like watching y'all get so angry over a word that's just like describes a person. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I really get second, third, fourth, and fifth hand embarrassment. Like, I had this one woman in my comments, and she was so mad. And she was like, Define a woman for me. So I was like, Okay, a woman is a person whose gender expression aligns with things that are typically associated with someone of the female sex. And she was like, Oh, so you define women based off of society's expectations and society's normalities and stereotypes. Like, that's not a good description. So I said, Okay, what's your description or what's your definition of a woman? And she was like, A woman is an adult female, and I said, Okay, what's an adult? And she was like, An adult is anyone who's 18 plus, and I said, Okay, how do you know that that's an adult? And she's like, Well, that's just common knowledge. Everybody knows that once you're 18, you're an adult, and I said, No, no, no, I understand that that's what society says, right? Like, what about someone who turns 18 like automatically makes them an adult? Right? Like, I was like, Isn't that just like a societal standard that once someone's 18, they're considered an adult? So isn't your definition also based on society standards and what society says? Crickets. She did not respond. Because I'm like, aren't you also defining a woman based off of the same thing that you told me I was wrong in defining a woman on? Because personally, I feel like 24 should be the age of an adult. That's when your brain fully develops, right? So that makes more sense to me, but for whatever reason, society has agreed that 18 is an adult. Why though? Like, there's nothing that changes, at least to my knowledge, in your body at 18. Again, your brain isn't fully developed until you're 24. So, why did we all agree that 18 is an adult and not 24? Why is that not based more so in science, right? If we're if that's how you want to define things scientifically, why is 18 an adult? She couldn't give me an answer, right? Because you're doing the same thing that you're trying to say that I'm doing that you are saying is wrong. Like, I just don't know. The way y'all get so mad at descriptive words, it's just really embarrassing. Please unpack that. Please unpack that. And this is why I think that it is so important to call out all forms of bigotry because the amount of fighting that we do amongst ourselves, like, imagine if we took all of that fighting and fought the real problem, which is white supremacy and bigotry. Some of us are so busy with the infighting and the the fighting amongst different minority groups. And I don't think that people realize like that quite literally goes into continuing to uphold white supremacy and bigotry. Like, you can't, you can't want to cheer me on a root for me and and be all gung ho when I'm calling out racism. But then when I go to call out transphobia, you're like, oh no, I don't, I don't like that. I the amount of people who I've had message me or comment and be like, Yeah, stick to calling out racism because this ain't it. Let's just sit with that for a second. Let's sit with those words. Don't call out transphobia, just call out racism. So when I'm calling out one form of bigotry, that's okay, but the other one, y'all don't want me to call that out. Genuinely, if you feel that way, I do not, I do not want you to follow me. I have blocked so many people based off of that video. People who have said, Oh, I'm I've been following you for forever. I genuinely don't want you following me. I don't want you following me if you feel like it's okay to be transphobic. Because what what fucking sense does that make? All of them are interconnected. Being transphobic directly impacts racism, especially racism towards black women. So you can't just say, let's just call out racism, but not also call out transphobia and also homophobia and also xenophobia, like intersectionality, y'all. It all affects all of it. Everything affects everything, and all of it goes to uplift white supremacy and bigotry, which is why it is I'm always going to call out all of it. I'm gonna call it the transphobia, I'm gonna call it the homophobia, I'm gonna call it the racism. And if you don't like that, I'm please do not follow me, unfollow me, whatever you gotta do. I'm never gonna stop calling it out because it needs to be called out. I'm calling it out because people deserve to live and not be hated on or receive any sort of vitriol or transphobia or racism or whatever for just wanting to live in their truth, for just wanting to live in peace with themselves. Do you know what I mean? Like, trans people are not hurting anybody. Y'all are worried about the wrong one percent. Truly, like, all they want to do is live, leave them alone. It's like, no, you're not under attack as cis people. We're not under attack because trans people want to live and exist. You're not under attack because you're called a cis person. Like it's it's literally just a description. Just as if you were called a smart person or a resilient person or a strong person, like they're all just descriptive words. That's literally all that it is. It's not some it's not some sort of derogatory term, it's not like the only reason you find a derogatory is because there is some part of you who finds trans the the word trans derogatory, whether you've used it yourself in a derogatory manner or you have some deep-rooted issue and some deep-rooted transphobia is what it is, if we're being honest. That's something that you need to unpack. And I'm gonna be here to call it out. I'm gonna be here to attempt to help you unpack it. But if that makes you upset, if me calling out transphobia makes you upset, then don't follow me. Don't like I don't know what to tell you because I'm never gonna, I'm never going to not call it out. It all of it needs to be addressed because all of it is interconnected. So if you want me to call out um racism, if you want me to call out homophobia, whatever it is, I'm gonna have to call out the other stuff too, because there are people who live with all of this bigotry, and every single form of bigotry needs to be called out, it needs to be addressed. We have to be anti-whremacy. We can't just say we're not we're not uh racist, we're not homophobic, we're not transphobic. No, you have to be anti-racist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic. Like, that is the only way that we are going to be able to truly try to make change and truly try to stop white supremacy. We have to be anti-transphobic, and that means calling out the problem or like the issue that people have with being called cisgender, because again, it's just a descriptive word. All it means is that your gender expression aligns with the sex that you were assigned at birth. So when you talk about like, oh, I don't want to be called a cis woman, I'm just a woman. Like, even that, you don't hear how that like oozes with transphobia. I'm just a woman, so are they, so are trans women, and again, I never specified a gender in my video. Like, I never said it was directed at women, I never said it was directed at men because again, trans men and cis men exist. All I said was cis and trans. Y'all made it about trans women because you're misogynistic. Stop! Like, like it's so it's so frustrating, it's so frustrating because it's like again, whenever I'm calling out racism, y'all like it, y'all are cool. But the second I start to talk about even homophobia as well, sometimes and transphobia, it's like y'all are like, no, we don't want to talk about that. And I think that you don't want to talk about that because you're a hit dog callering, but it's like allow yourself to to learn and to grow, right? Like, we're all learning, we're all growing, even myself. I'm learning new things every single day, and I'm so grateful that I have like friends and people in my corner. Like, when I don't understand something, I'm able to go to them and be like, hey, I don't understand this thing. Can you help me understand it? Because we're all like I said, we're all still learning and growing, and that's okay. It's okay to not immediately want to go to the defense, right? It's okay to sit and listen and try and understand where someone might be coming from. You know what I mean? Like attempting to teach you like the meaning of of words and and call out maybe your internalized negative connotation that you have with those words, that's not an attack on you, right? That's that's trying to help you learn and grow so that we can continue to truly fight white supremacy and bigotry in all of its forms because all of them need to be called out and addressed. So while I'm happy that all of you are here and you know, enjoying my content and and learning, understand that there might be times where the thing that I'm calling out, it might it might be you. I need y'all to understand that I'm never gonna stop calling these things out, all of these things out. And if that bothers you, if you have an issue with that, if you aren't interested in learning and growing, please unfollow me. I genuinely like do not want you here. I was I was into it with a girl the other day, not into it, but like she shared my video and was like going off about it or whatever. And I just responded to her and I was like trying to educate her, and it was just clear that she didn't want to be educated. And and I went to her profile and I saw that it said follow back, and so I was like, unfollow me. Like, I I don't want people who uphold white supremacy and bigotry in my space. And she's talking about some I follow whoever I want, not around here, Potna. I messaged her back and I was like, um, yeah, that's not how this works. Watch this, and I blocked her because I I just don't have time for for white supremacy or for anyone who's gonna uphold bigotry in any of my spaces. I wouldn't have that in my in real life community, and I feel like I never really like refer to people who watch my content as fans. I really do feel like we we're in like an online community because I learned from you guys, you guys learn from me, so it's great. So I would never have someone who uh upheld bigotry in my real life, so why would I want that in my online community? You know what I mean? So if you if you don't want to learn, if you are unable to learn, however you want to word it, please, please just unfollow me again. Very happy that you guys are all here. However, I want the main thing that I want for any of my pages, I want them all to be a safe space for everyone. Not like obviously, let's add some nuance. I want it to be a safe space for everyone in every community who is just living their lives and not trying to hurt anybody. That includes trans people, that includes literally everybody. So if if you are making this space feel like not a safe space and like you're just not interested in learning, please unfollow me. We can have a good time. I feel like we do have a great time. Y'all seem to really like my content. I try to make it enjoyable. I love that. But at the end of the day, there is a very important message that I am trying to put out and and I'm trying to do with my content. And if you can't do that, if you don't want to learn, if you don't want to grow, please exit stage left. As Jayla should have done the first time she ever got on a stage. Anyway, also I wanted to say as we're up today's episode. I'm very, very grateful for all of you, and I love that you guys are here. But please remember that, like, we're all here to learn and grow, we're here to have fun as well. But at the end of the day, like, I do want my content to be educational, and I do want it to help people, and I want it to be a safe space for everyone. So if you feel like it's gonna upset you if I call it transphobia or homophobia, whatever, please just leave. Hope this helps. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to today's episode. I again am very grateful that you guys are here. I appreciate you all so much. I hope everyone's having a good week, except for that orange lady, and I will talk to you in the next episode. Peace and love. Talk to you later. The napkin in between, hosted by Daijne Jones, produced by Daijne Jones, post production by Daijne Jones, music by Sam Champagne, and graphics by Isma Vidal. Don't forget to like and subscribe. See you next episode.