Discovering Our Very Best
Welcome to the Discovering Our Very Best Podcast, hosted by Chris Conley and Debbie Ellis. The goal of this podcast is to share thoughts, stories and ideas enabling you to become all that God created you to be. Always remember, when there is hope in the future, there is power in the present. Brought to you by Darin Olson with Edward Jones Investments.
Discovering Our Very Best
Legacy, Aging and Preparing for Eternity: Episode 5
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Welcome to the Discovering Our Very Best Podcast, hosted by Chris Conley and Debbie Ellis. The goal of this podcast is to share thoughts, stories and ideas enabling you to become all that God created you to be. Always remember, when there is hope in the future, there is power in the present.
Today on the podcast, Chris and Deb look at different aspects of how our lives change with age. Are we chasing passion or money in our jobs? How does nature/nurture fit into how we pursue relationships?
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SPEAKER_00Welcome to Discovering Our Very Best Podcast with Chris Conley and Deb Ellis. The goal of this podcast is to share thoughts, stories, and ideas enabling you to become all that God created you to be. Always remember, when there is hope in the future, there is power in the present.
SPEAKER_04Well, this series of podcasts has been centering around legacy, aging, preparing for eternity. The last time I think we talked a lot about the mattering, which was kind of the end part there. And I know we've had some discussion since then in preparing for this, and uh you took on a challenge that you want to share with us.
SPEAKER_02Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, I'm going to digress a moment. Is last month I was thinking of cleaning out books and I didn't know where I could possibly it's hard to get rid of books. It's like, really? You don't want to throw them away and you want other people to enjoy them. So last month, Chris, you mentioned a place in Bluffton that takes used books. And then didn't you just for a ministry. Right, for a ministry. So the prophets go there. That precipitated me to start going through my bookshelves. And I and it was really kind of like so refreshing. I was getting rid of all these books and thinking they're going to a good cause. And I had my pile of books, I had my empty shelves, and I was feeling really good. And then it happened. I don't know if this ever happens to you, but I started perusing the giveaway pile. And then it's like, oh, maybe somebody might want this book. Oh, I don't want to give this book away. So it kind of my pile's diminished a little bit. And and I and as I thought about it, how you can get lost in books, just like you get lost in songs or pictures. And it brings back, you know, so many memories, and you just kind of start looking at what you're giving away. And I, as I looked at the pile, like I tend to like nonfiction. So there was like essays about how you can change the way you think, or there was the little book of awakening. And then I like inspirational books too. The short little reads like All I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten. Right. Do you remember that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I like that. Because there's a lot of truth to that, really.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Like make your bed every day.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02That means you've accomplished one thing, at least one thing.
SPEAKER_04And that's kind of like the ripple effect, you know, because you you knock that down and you feel good about yourself and you want to do something else. So exactly.
SPEAKER_02And then when you go to bed at night, it's a lot more comforting to see a bed that's made than one that's still rumbled up that you're gonna jump into. And I I remember the one it was like when you go out into the world, it's best to hold hands and stick together. Yeah. And isn't that the truth? Sure. It ties in with what we talk about community. And then there are the ones that have songs connected with to them, like I Help You Dance. And that took me back to a graduation and just oh, so many memories. And then there's the parables like Lead for God's sake. We both read that one. Right. And um, I don't know The Perfect Stranger, if you've read that one or Joshua.
SPEAKER_04Of Joshua, I have.
SPEAKER_02Those are good parables too. Well, this week, serendipitously, uh Darren Olson, who sponsors this podcast kindly for both of us, and he dropped off a book, and the name of the book was The Good Life, and it's by Robert Waldinger and Mark Schultz. And Robert is an MD at Harvard Medical School, and then Robert Schultz is a psychology professor at Bryn Mawr College. And anyway, I started looking at it and I thought, what a great book. It fits in so well with what you and I have been talking about and what we can talk about in the future. So um thank you, Darren, and we're going to kind of delve into that a little bit. I'll share some of the Harvard study today, if that's okay. Yep. And then if you have stories, we'll kind of put those in.
SPEAKER_04I think as you mentioned that, and as he explained to me, I haven't read it yet, but uh he talked about this long study, and it reminded me of a story that I'd heard where this class was told to go after work that you love. And at their 25-year reunion, the question they asked two questions. Did you chase passion or did you chase pension? And 80% said they chased pension, the money. And they said, How many of you have attained a net worth of at least a million dollars? And no one had. Even though they were chasing money, no one had a net worth of a million dollars. And the twenty percent that said they went after what they loved, like 19 out of 20 had attained a net worth of a million dollars. And it was and and most people would say that doesn't make any sense, you know, they weren't after money. But if think about it, if you're working at something that you enjoy, you're probably gonna work more hours at it because it's it's not like I gotta run home, you know. Uh it's not I don't hate my work, I love my work. And also you're gonna be more pleasant to be around, so you're gonna be probably looked at for opportunities like promotions and things along that line. So I thought that was a neat study.
SPEAKER_02I think it's refreshing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it is.
SPEAKER_02That's that's a great s story. I mean it should encourage other people to look at what where are you where are you aiming, what's your focus, that's for sure. And if we look at the Harvard study of adult development, the basic question they ask is if you were going to invest now in your future best self, where would you put your time and your energy? So by age 50, and I think that ties along with what you just said about the reunion story, most of us think we know what matters, but in this study, it really said that we aren't done yet. There's a lot of changes in what we're going to do in the future, and what we thought when we were 20 is important. We're finding out at 50 or 60 or 70, it isn't.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02As you mentioned. So I I'll tell you, I'll give you kind of a little background. The Harvard Study of Adult Development, it's the longest study of adults' lives that has ever been done. It started in 1938 and it still continues. That's pretty amazing.
SPEAKER_01That is.
SPEAKER_02And it was how they set it up is 75 years ago. They worked with 724 men. That's who they started the whole study with. And there were sophomores from Harvard, so they would be what I would consider privileged young men. Right. And then the other group, they went to the poorest neighborhoods in Boston and they looked at underprivileged and a lot of the teenagers that were in trouble, and that was the population they chose for the two studies. And the purpose of the research was to uncover what keeps us healthy and happy as we go through life. And that's the long longitudinal efforts they were making is what keeps us healthy and happy as we go through life. So they tracked the lives of these two groups, and then with that, then they added, I mean, the wives, and now they have like 2,000 of their children. Some of the men of that 724, there are still 60 of them alive in their 90s. And they're still and they didn't just send out a survey. They went into their homes, they gave them blood tests, they looked at their health, they looked at their lives, you know, what was important in their lives. They were from all facets of work. Some were bricklayers, some were attorneys, some were doctors. In fact, one of them ended up president of the United States. That was JFK. Yeah. Exactly. And I thought that was interesting. So they really, oh, the questions they even asked them as I was reading the book were were interesting questions for all of us. But what they learned, bottom line is the big takeaway from all this is that, and you won't be surprised probably, relationship trumps money, fame, and even health habits. And they were looking at how even relationships impact your physiology, not just, you know, your mental capacity or things like that. It's just everything. And there were three lessons about relationships. The first one they learned was social connections are good for us. And we've talked about that before, Chris. It's important. And they even use the exact words loneliness kills, which I think is a very strong kind of term to put with it. But it turns out that the people, as we would guess, who are more socially connected to family, friends, and the community as a whole, they're happier. They are physically healthier and they live longer than people who are less connected. And in many ways, loneliness turns out to be kind of toxic and dangerous. And they said it doesn't really mean that the number of friends you have or whether you're in a committed relationship, it extends far than that because you can still be lonely. And that was the second lesson that it's kind of the quality of those close relationships that matter. You can be lonely in a crowd, you could be at a party and still be lonely, you could be lonely in a marriage. And if you live in a family where there's conflict, I mean that's like family feud, and that is really bad for your health.
SPEAKER_04Talking about loneliness, you know, makes you think of depression. Right. And I know these are sad subjects, we've talked about that. But uh I I recall in in the book that I wrote, The Eight Facets of Life, in my chapter for fun and joy, uh sh I quoted Sean Aker, who's a positive psychology, was his trade. He said depress depression rates are ten times higher than in 1960. He said that the fifty years ago the average age of a person treated for depression was twenty-nine and a half. Today it's fourteen and a half. And I can't even imagine that. I mean, like I say, it's I I guess the key is what um I don't know if it's the fact that maybe kids aren't outside as much as what what they were when we grew up or what what goes on with that.
SPEAKER_02Right. And I think so often we point to uh social media. And and and if you look back though on COVID, social media really did keep us connected. So I'm not saying it's all bad.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02It has to be in moderation. Right. It can't be your whole focus, but there's good and bad. But I I like you wonder if that's part of a thread that weaves through the reason for the teenagers having uh I I know in the book they mentioned that lonely people live shorter lives. Uh and that one-third of the people would say they are lonely. And it isn't just in the United States, it's worldwide. The the country that has the highest loneliness rate was Brazil, and 57 percent of the people that they had interviewed were considered lonely. I think in America it was closer to like 45. But it's it's a global issue. And it's rich, poor, it's CEOs, it's it doesn't matter. Isolation, they even said, is as risky as smoking to your health. That's depressing. And I I don't want to spend a lot of time on that, but it it's a fact. It's a fact of life, and we need to to be cognizant of that.
SPEAKER_04I can recall a rest home that I visited once with the had two sisters, and uh the one sister was really outgoing and she was almost never in her room. So she was out in the hallway where they played board games and put together puzzles, and the the group of five or six would be together all the time. And her sister would join periodically, but she also liked some alone time, so she'd go to her room and read a book, you know, shut the door. I just thought what a neat environment for a older person to live because if you want that connection, it's there, and if you want your solitude, it's there. They have options. Yeah, they have options.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think so. Right. That i that is for sure. And one of the things that we talked about, how the participants, when they were at fifty years of age, they didn't see issues as important as when they were younger, and their perspective changed and their thoughts shifted. And I think because we're older, the mortality and the finite of life is kind of what hits you. Yeah. And that goes way back to what you talked about, passion and how how you pursue it in life. And it just isn't cut and dry. And I know earlier you mentioned what do those books or songs mean to you. And I I think we forget some and we we are even creative with our memories, what we remember. Like you and I could experience something 30 years ago and what you take away from it is completely different. Or I might say, gosh, Chris, I don't even remember doing that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04For sure.
SPEAKER_02And so it's hard to to go back and really and I think as we get older, it's that cliche, don't sweat the small stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And do you ever worry about things more do you think you worried more when you were 20 thanks.
SPEAKER_04Oh, for sure. Yeah. I I'm not saying nothing bothers me now, but um definitely there was more, many more concerns, you know, with with economy and things like that. I mean and I think it's understandable. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_02And I think maybe we were more individualist at that stage when you're 20. You're just thinking, oh, I gotta find the right person to marry, or I need to get the right job, and it's more of eminent. And now we realize that we have a greater calling to society. And that ties in with our legacy part. Right. And and that's that is such a refreshing point of view. And I I I like that. The world isn't just about me and what I'm gonna do. It's it's more about what can I live for, what can I help in the future after I'm gone. There was a quote by the Dalai Lama. I thought this was interesting because I've thought about this when I've done something, and people say, Oh, that's really nice. And I'm thinking, I did it for me. You know, maybe I went to visit a shut-in, or maybe I helped somebody and I did it for me. You know, I got more out of it, I think, than the people that I thought I was helping. And the Dalai Lama had said the wise, selfish person takes care of other people. And I thought, I shouldn't feel guilty that I'm I'm happy because I've helped somebody.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02It is the wise, selfish person reaches out and helps other people. Right.
SPEAKER_04That re reminds me of um Jim Rohn. I don't know if you know that name or not, but he's deceased now. But he was a a speaker. And he gave a seminar one time, and this uh man was in attendance, and and he said he viewed himself as a grouchy dad. And uh but he said listening to Jim made him feel like he needed to change because he realized he had two daughters and he said, These were great kids. And he said they're all the time asking and all the time saying no. And he said, I decided from that day on that I was going to be the one to do things for them. And he said there was a concert coming to town that he knew that they enjoyed. So without them asking, he bought them tickets. And uh that night when they sat down to dinner, he told them he had a surprise for them. And so when when the when he gave them the tickets, you know, they were really excited and they were kissing him and hugging him, and you know, it made him really feel good. And he thought, now why didn't I think they wound up getting their way in the past anyway, but it was always a fight, and and now it's so much better. So to make to even go further, then when the girls went to the concert, uh they gave their tickets to the usher and he he kept moving forward and forward and forward, and they wound up they were front row center. Wow. And he said, you know, he'd paid the extra money to give them the best seat in the house. And so when they came home, it was all about dad, you know, we love you so much. And you know, it's just he just said it everything that Jim had taught him in that seminar about treating other people, and it starts with your family, you know. When you've got kids at home, you only got them there for a short time, and you don't want to be arguing, you know. I thought that was a great lesson that maybe you could take away.
SPEAKER_02Oh, absolutely. Well, when you talk about happiness, you wonder how much of happiness you said he was kind of a grumpy guy that made me think of it as how much of happiness is under our control. I know I read once that like 40% is our genetics. I don't know if that's valid or true. I I wish I could remember where I read that. But we do all have a temperament to begin with. And some people, some people are kind of grumpy. Right. And then some people look through life through rose-colored glasses as well. And I always think of like Eeyore and Tiger in Winnie the Pooh series. They're totally different people. Or we talk about the glass half filled and half empty, which is the way you look at it, and then you've heard, just fill it, just fill it, just be happy. And so I think if you had you had a story, I think, once about twins.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04And that's because we were talking about nature nurture. Right, nature nurture. And uh because we asked the question, you know, why why do some people seem to have it and others don't? And, you know, it's a question that can't be answered. But uh yeah, there were um uh a father had twins, and he was happened to be an alcoholic father, and at one point he went to rob a liquor store and he didn't mean to do it, but he shot the owner and killed him. So he went to prison. And these boys were adopted into different families. And years later, this guy that does research followed up on these two boys and he asked them the same question and got the same answer without either one of them ever talking to the other. And basically he asked the one boy, Why did your life turn out like this? And the first boy said, Well, what choice did I have? My dad was an alcoholic, I became an alcoholic. And he too wound up in prison. He robbed a store and and went to prison. And then when he found the other boy and he asked him, Why did your life turn out like this? He said, What choice did I have? My dad set the worst example, and he wound up being like a executive at a at a company. So it's like when we say nature nurture, it that kind of makes it sound like the nurture's more important.
SPEAKER_02In that story, absolutely. So I that's why I don't know. I I guess we'll never know.
SPEAKER_04No, we'll never know. But it's a competition. Just because we have poor circumstances doesn't mean we're destined for gloom.
SPEAKER_02No, you're right. Because it is. It's what is the secret to aging well, too? Like we're trying to talk talk about and look at these studies, but so much of what happens in an individual's life is determined by a lot of factors. You can't just say one thing.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_02But I guess in this study, the relationships were really evident. Yeah. And and that makes sense from all all of the research, too. Uh some of the examples I thought it was interesting, what kind of questions they ask the people. Here were some of them. Um What is the secret to aging well? True or false? Life has more pain than pleasure. When do you feel good? What brings you who can you really count on being dependable when you need help? What is the relationship with each of your children on a scale of one being negative and distant and seven being positive and loving, which kind of ties in with the story, a story too. But I I just thought they make you ponder some of those questions that were in the study. They're very deep, but you can give answers to.
SPEAKER_04You know, I heard the quote, relationships give us our highest highs and our lowest lows. And you know, that that's for sure. That's that's uh I like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That is a good one. So the bottom line for the Harvard study on adults and relationships is to be the best version of yourself, invest in your relationships, and the good life is built with good relationships. Pretty fairly simple.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And and and it is continuing. I think he the these authors were the fourth set that have worked with it, and they're continuing on as well. There was something from when we were talking about books, you know, one of the books that was in my giveaway pile, I'm circling back to that. It's a short guide to a happy life. Like I mentioned, I like parables, and it's by Anna Quindlin. And I'm I'm just going to kind of quote and grab some of what she said in it. Life is made of moments, small pieces of glittering mica in a long stretch of gray cement. It would be wonderful if they came to us unsummoned, but particularly in lives as busy as the ones most of us lead now. That won't happen. We have to teach ourselves how to live, really live, to love the journey, not the destination. I like that one.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I d there that just speaks so much truth to that, you know, because I think so many times people, when they get where they think they wanted to go, they find out that that's the ladder was leaning against the wrong building, you know.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But that reminded me of a story that um Sir Edmund Hillary was the first to climb Mount Everest. But he I think it was his third or fourth try, he did it, and there like a dozen members of his team had died in previous attempts. And the thing was that kind of goes along with this, when he they said when he got to the top, he only spent a few moments looking there. You th you would have thought that if that was your lifelong aspiration, you would have soaked it all in and you'd have been there for a long period of time. But they said his comment was, This isn't what I thought it would be. And that's kind of sad that you spend your whole life and all these people were on your team to help you and they've lost their life. And then it's not quite what I expected. So I think there's volumes in that love the journey, not the destination for sure.
SPEAKER_02That is. That it's it is really pretty sad. I know one of the questions in this Harvard study, and I'm going to ask you who encourages you to try new things, to take chances to pursue your life's goals?
SPEAKER_04Well, I can't say that a a person stands out. I think I think it's you know, I we have mentors. We talked about that some in the past. But I would say your mentor doesn't have to be a person necessarily that sits by your side. It could be a b a a book you read, you know. Because I think that was something I got from Jim Rohn that I mentioned. He said that mentors come from all walks of life. They don't have to be personal acquaintances. So I would say I'm probably when I read a an idea or a concept or I realize someone did something, that's probably helped me more than an individual. Are you thinking indiv individual-wise for yourself?
SPEAKER_02I did a my father because it didn't matter what you did, he thought it was great. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02He was so encouraging. But you're right, the who doesn't have to be one person. It can be eclectic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It can be different, even as you mentioned, an object like a book and the message that that author speaks to you, which we're going back to the books and how important they are in your life. And that's true. I like that. That is good. Do you want another hard question? Oh.
SPEAKER_01Let's see. You ready for it?
SPEAKER_02He Chris didn't have these ahead of time, so he doesn't even know. I haven't shared the book with him yet, Darren, so he hasn't read it. Who knows the most things about you? Who makes you laugh? Who do you turn to for advice and wisdom? And it could be different people. So I bet I know who you're going to say. Who knows the most about you?
SPEAKER_04Be my wife for sure.
SPEAKER_02Who makes you laugh?
SPEAKER_04I would say her as well.
SPEAKER_02And who do you turn to to for advice and wisdom?
SPEAKER_04You know, again, that would be a multitude of people, I think. I mean, we've been reading Proverbs together and it's talks about a wise person uses many counselors, you know. That's one of the verses I've we've read recently. So because everybody's good at different things. So you want to kind of like having your own board of directors, but they don't know you're on your board of directors. You know, you just ask them questions about family or you ask this person a question about finance, and you know, things along that line. Right.
SPEAKER_02Last question. If you knew you only had one year to live, what would you spend? And who would you spend the next year doing and being with? And I know you'd have to plan, you have to pray, you ha life's precious, you know, there's a lot. So when you say one year, it really makes you prioritize more.
SPEAKER_04A year would be comforting in a way, the the fact that you've got that whole time. 365 years. Whereas if someone said you got a week, yeah, then things have to happen quick now, you know. So I've often thought about that in regards to, you know, some people say when I die, I want to die in my sleep. Someone else says I would like to, I would like to have a even if it was an illness, I'd like it to be prolonged so that I could tell the people. But you know, I think it's easy to say the best way to live life is to have no regrets and to, you know, there there isn't someone I have to go say I'm sorry to, you know, whatever. Um you want to thank the people that have met the most to you. You know, I wrote a letter to our pastor that meant a lot to me because I knew him when I was 25 years old. He was with us for about 15 years. And uh when he moved away, I just wrote him a letter. I said, you know, you taught me so much about my faith because I was I was an early Christian, but you also taught me how to lead meetings. I mean, because he was a he was a great leader.
SPEAKER_02He was a good model.
SPEAKER_04Good model, yeah. And um, you know, my dad was a was a great man. I looked at him kind of like uh John Walton from the Waltons, you know. He was a guy that didn't say a lot, but his actions spoke louder than words. But then you need someone to speak words as well, you know. So that's why I think when you have different people in your lives that you pick this up from them, pick this up from them. That's how we build our best life, I think.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. Yeah. That goes along with what we were talking. And that then I just think there's a lot of twists and turns in our lives. And and the other day I in my head thought of the analogy of God that He's putting those crooked roads in our lives. Because if we were on a straight road and looked ahead, it might scare us of what what's going to be ahead. And we have to make that transition and you take a right turn and you see something different, a left turn, and the ending's the same when we all leave this earth. But maybe God intentionally makes those roads for us. Sure. And those twists and turns. I I kind of made that up.
SPEAKER_04It can be, you know, life's exciting. I mean, you don't really want maybe we want the easy life. We we would rather just be a steady, but at the same time, sometimes we learn the most from the obstacles.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_04There was a story I remember um a guy was talking about because as we talk about this um relationships, we think typically of family and those closest to us, but can't stress enough, you know, we talked uh last time, I think, about uh the woman who attended the wrong funeral and how it opened her eyes to m being more kind to the mailman and you know all the different people in her life. And uh this one goes along the same line. The man goes up to the gas station and I think he's in Monterey, California, and he said, Hey, I heard they have great milkshakes here. Can you tell me where that is? And the attendant helped him with his uh gas. This was back when they did that kind of stuff, now it's all self-served. But uh he told him where the place was and he said, Hey, park on the side street because it's really busy and you know, you don't want anything happening to your car. So he went and did it, and um, him and his wife, and they got a third milkshake for the boy. And as they drove back, they stopped and he said, Hey, I see you got your milkshakes. He said, Yeah, we got one for you. And he said, Hey, nobody's ever done that, you know. And it's a two-dollar milkshake, you know. It's like that made that guy's day, and it gave him a story to tell the rest of his life. And so much about our happiness, we can relive those joyous experiences when we recall them, you know, whether it's looking at a family picture or listening to that song that brings back memories, you know. So there's there's a lot to be said for that, I think.
SPEAKER_02Well, just in what you said for that 30 seconds made me think of two memories with my parents. And and they aren't there's nothing profound about this, but I remember once my mother and I went to the wrong, we went to the funeral home, but we were in the wrong line at ICOTS. And so, and we were thinking about the person as we were moving up to the casket or to the family, and we mom and I were are both emotional, we're both criers. And so we started, you know, we were like had tears, and you could tell we were we were sad, and then we got close to the family, realized we were in the wrong line. That wasn't even the person we were. And so we went around the corner and the director uh at ICOL said, You guys could be professional mourners, because I said we were in the wrong line. And he said, I think I could hire you because here we were crying, we didn't even know the family or the person. And then the other story when you talked about long time ago when we had the gas stations where they come out and wash your windshield. That was always as far back as I can remember. My father said, when he retires, he wants to wash the windows at the at the gas station because it always makes people happy. And they look up and they smile, and but he lived so long they didn't do it anymore. So he couldn't have his retirement job. But that's a good thing. That's a good thing.
SPEAKER_04The closest thing we got now is a greeter at Walmart, right? Right, right. That's true. That's true. Well, I think that's gonna wrap us up for today. Thank you for listening. We've been talking about how our life changes different aspects or as we age. And so uh we're leaning towards the next time we're gonna talk about maybe those aspects of life and what they mean as a 20-year-old, maybe what they mean as a 70-year-old. So that's our plans for the next time. So again, thank you.
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