Sacred Sweat: Initiating into the Womb of the Earth

What does it mean to let the fire purify you before you are reborn? On this episode of SYL, we sit down with Sergio Pulido founder of Pachamama Experiencia, who will be holding the keys to one of the most ancient portals at our Fall Equinox Retreat in Mexico: The Temezcal. We explore the lineage, the fire, and the prayer that turns a sweat lodge into a ceremony of radical release. If you’ve been feeling the call to shed the old skin before the equinox, this conversation is your invitation.

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Sergio Pulido

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Transcript

Zakiya (00:08.846)
Again, we can go over and over so it doesn't matter. Okay, Lista?

Sergio (00:18.026)
Listo. But you send me the questions or you just ask the question?

Zakiya (00:25.504)
sent you the questions in the email, but I'll ask them now. They're my movie.

Sergio (00:31.97)
Let's flow and we can see.

Zakiya (00:36.042)
Okay. Welcome back everybody to another exciting episode of the shapeshift your life podcast today is really exciting. have an amazing, amazing guest with me today and we're going to be talking about sacred sweats. One moment.

Zakiya (00:57.302)
Okay, and we're going to be talking about sacred sweat initiating into the womb of the earth. okay, one second again.

Zakiya (01:11.394)
Sergio Pulido, verdad?

Sergio (01:14.186)
Yeah

Zakiya (01:15.756)
Okay. And we're going to talk, be talking about sacred sweat initiating into the womb of mother earth. So I have an amazing guest with me, Sergio Pulido. He is the founder of the Pacha Mama experiences. And I am so looking forward to having an opportunity to working with him directly. And we're going to talk all about that later on, but I really couldn't think of a better time to talk about this idea of

deepening our relationship with Pachamama, deepening our relationship with the darkness. You know, you've heard me say over and over again, the darkness is where all creation is born, right? Everything comes from pitch blackness. It's only that we know the light because we first understood the dark when we were in the womb of our mother's bellies. And so the womb of the earth is also holding and supporting us. And when we look out at the world and we get overwhelmed by the headlines,

We're getting overwhelmed by the news and the doom and gloom and war. Reinitiating, reconnecting to the earth is one of the quickest, most powerful things that we can do to stay grounded and to stay anchored. And what I love about the earth is that she takes what we have to give, right? We take her for granted. We're always walking over her. We eat from the earth.

but the earth is always just ready to receive us. And so we're gonna go a little bit deeper into what that looks like, particularly as we talk about a very, very ancient ceremony called the Temazcal

I'm gonna add one thing.

Zakiya (03:02.472)
lineage of fire and prayer. So we're going to be exploring the lineage of fire and prayer. We're going to be talking about this ceremony of radical, radical release. And if you've been feeling called to shed some skin, to let some weight go, feeling like you're holding on to something that you're ready to release, I promise you this episode is for you. So let's get into it.

Zakiya (03:28.782)
All right. So welcome, Bienvenido, Sergio. Welcome to the podcast.

Sergio (03:35.586)
Yeah, thank you, thank you. It's a really pleasure spending with you this space for all the people interested in the Temazcal. And for us, the Pachamama team, it's a very honor talking with you, Zakiya

Zakiya (03:53.644)
Okay, can you do that one more time, but a little bit louder? Same thing, let's take it again. So thank you. So welcome Sergio to ShapeShift Your Life podcast.

Sergio (04:04.802)
Thank you, you, Zakiya. It's a very honor to be with you in this morning talking about the Temazcal for all the team to the Pachamama experience. It's very, very glad to stay with you here.

Zakiya (04:23.054)
Thank you. Well, we're honored to have you. So before we get into the Temazcal, let's just talk about tu experiencia personal Yes, I'm going to go into a little bit of Spanish for my English listeners today. Your personal experience, right? Is this something you were raised in? How did you get connected to these traditions and connected to this work? Tell us a little bit about your personal story.

Sergio (04:50.924)
Okay, in the Temazcal was very lucky the connection with that because maybe 20 years ago I have a friend and he invited me for a Temazcal and I never know what's the Temazcal. So I just accept the invitation over there and come on.

I love it. I love it because when you are into the warm heart, so the process that start into yourself is going to a different conscious status, you know? And over there in the darkness with the seeing, with the people getting a...

a very good vibe into the Temazcal. So change your mind, definitely change your mind. And then after that, I started to go every weekend, every, every, every weekend. was falling in love in that emotional status into the Temazcal. So.

20 years ago was my first day with the Temazcal and after 20 years ago I tried to make once Temazcal per week.

Zakiya (06:22.24)
Wow, that's a lot of heat, a lot of fire, mucho fuego, verdad?

Sergio (06:27.888)
Ay, ay, ay, ay.

Zakiya (06:30.954)
So it's interesante. my God, my daughter calling me. Hold on.

Zakiya (06:43.34)
Hey, babe, I'm recording.

Zakiya (06:48.024)
Can you hear me? Is it an emergency?

Zakiya (06:52.962)
Hello?

Sergio (06:55.32)
of an urgent, urgent matter.

Zakiya (06:57.974)
Okay, what's going on?

Zakiya (10:26.062)
I'm sorry.

Sergio (10:27.438)
Don't worry, don't

Zakiya (10:29.144)
That was my daughter. She's having an emergency. Yeah, she had an emergency in New York. She'll be fine. Okay. So we're still recording. So my next question Sergio is, I'm curious, curioso about how you combine this ancient traditions of the Temezcal I know you also

facilitate ayahuasca and peyote and plant medicine. Pero muchas personas en México es católico, verdad? I'm sure maybe you were raised Catholic. So how do you reconcile, reconciliar these traditions diferentes, verdad? Where maybe in the Catholic Church, the Christian Church, these things are not

okay not welcomed so i'm curious how you combine that in your own practice entiendo or entiendes

Sergio (11:37.464)
Cheers!

Zakiya (11:38.648)
See.

Sergio (11:43.648)
Okay, I can answer? Okay. Well, in Mexico, for the Mexican culture, we have two inside or roots, know, not this only for the...

Zakiya (11:46.744)
See.

Zakiya (12:10.542)
Otra vez, en México.

Zakiya (12:18.798)
Okay, okay.

Sergio (12:33.888)
for the Mexican roots and this is emotional way. Okay. Well, in Mexico we have a very Mexican roots, very traditional ways to do the things, but it's not a big difference. You know the Guadalupe Virgin, so for the Mexicas it was tonancing.

When the Spain people come and try to modify the cultures, they make a syncretism. So our Virgin of Tonansin becomes the Guadalupe Virgin.

Zakiya (13:27.031)
I don't taste it.

Sergio (13:31.928)
The sense of that virgin is the same. It's the Mother Earth. It's the virgin that cares about the people and all the culture of the Guadalupe virgin going...

not exactly but it's the same you know so how combine this yeah in mexico we have a very influence about the catholicians but we we stay with our roots you know so we make tamales we make

in our vision you know and the religion for the tradition it's not don't should to be in in fight we can combine all the all the things so yeah the temascal i and this is my vision it's like go to the church because you going to a to a place to

to to singing, to stay with you, to stay with the human spirit. So it's a place that you can reconnect with yourself. So because in the darkness, with the steam, with the plants,

Zakiya (15:06.785)
See

Sergio (15:12.652)
with the guide, so you going into yourself to find you again, to reconnect with your roots or reconnect with your essence.

It's not a big problem for the religion because in the Mexican culture we stay using teas like a medicine. We have a little bit tricks for different diseases. the Mexican in general

are so open to the traditional ways to resolve things.

Zakiya (16:03.064)
I love that because in my culture it's similar. Many of our traditions from Africa, from West Africa, we brought with us to the Americas, to Cuba, to Brazil, to Haiti, to the United States as And we synchronized our traditions with Christianity.

So what you're saying is mismo, as similar, it's the same, that even in Mexico, even though you all were colonized by the Spanish, you all still syncretized your gods with these Catholic saints and maintain these traditions. So it's no es separado, it's more of an expansion. So that's muy interesante. And I'm curious, yo curioso, what is the name of the

tribe or tradition that created the Temazcal? Is it the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Naps, which people?

Sergio (17:08.618)
Okay, it's not exactly science because you know what in Norway have a kind of the muscals So in the Lakota region have a time the muscals Mesoamerican and Russian have a time a skull. I think it's a very knowledge very very very old so maybe notice the Exactly history of the time a skull but all the pre-hispanic cultures in America use the time

Use the steam like a way to purify your mind, your soul and your body. We don't have the, I don't know like who invited the telephone, who invited the Temazcal No way.

Zakiya (17:49.774)
Okay.

Zakiya (18:01.772)
Who invented gas?

Sergio (18:03.374)
the knowledge for the pre-Hispanic cultures, use the temazcal like a purify your mind, your soul and your body.

Zakiya (18:13.294)
Okay, I love that. And so what are some of the other traditions of these people? In addition to the Temazcal you mentioned plants, you mentioned the Mother Earth, you named some of the gods or the deities. Can you talk a little bit more about the principles of this tradition?

Sergio (18:36.536)
Yeah, of course. In the Temazcal, like for the Mexicans, we have four guardians into the Temazcal. So in each direction is going to leader for a one guardian. In the east is for the Quetzalcoatl, La Serpiente Emplumada, and the direction talking about the hope.

Okay for the south is Uichiloposli and it's a left colibri.

Zakiya (19:12.212)
Actually, can I pause you right there? Can you do that again? But when you say Quetzalcoatl, can you explain what Quetzalcoatl is when you go through the different directions? For people who don't know.

Sergio (19:23.182)
Okay, perfect. Don't worry. Let me plug in my cell phone because it's running out of battery. Okay. give me a few minutes.

Zakiya (19:34.254)
Okay. Okay.

Zakiya (19:47.286)
Everything is working out in your favor. I promise my love, do not worry. This is gonna be okay. Just continue to take deep breaths. Don't allow yourself to get stressed and mom will call you as soon as I can.

Zakiya (20:09.88)
You've done an amazing job and spirit will continue blessing you.

Sergio (20:36.694)
you

Sergio (21:05.365)
Okay.

Zakiya (21:08.462)
Okay, so we're not gonna, I'm gonna cut this out. But when you go through the directions, because my listeners maybe don't know, no sabes que se cualito or the different. So just say a little bit, no necesito mucho, mucho, pero un poquito mas informacion about them. Are they deities? Are they gods? As you go through the different directions. Vale? So I'll ask the question otra vez.

Sergio (21:32.334)
Okay.

Zakiya (21:36.674)
But take your time. Let me know when you're ready. I'll ask the question again.

Sergio (21:40.94)
Okay, just let me make the use this one to elaborate it.

Zakiya (21:46.626)
See.

Zakiya (21:51.19)
Okay, I stop you.

Sergio (21:55.704)
Father Earth Serpent, is correct?

Zakiya (22:01.496)
Si es correcto.

Sergio (22:04.291)
in the pronunciation is okay father earth

Zakiya (22:08.406)
Es perfecto!

Sergio (22:09.966)
Thank you so much.

Sergio (24:28.11)
Okay, I'm ready when you are.

Zakiya (24:30.35)
Okay. So that's muy interesante. I wonder, can you talk to us un poquito más about where these traditions came from and what are some of the principles of the Temazcal?

Sergio (24:46.838)
Okay, we're from the Temazcal, the Mesoamerican cultures in the different cultures like Olmecas, Mayas, Aztecas, Mexicas. Sorry about that. Again. Okay. Okay. One, two,

Zakiya (25:06.552)
We'll cut that out, no worries.

Sergio (25:16.202)
Where did the Tema Scal come from? It's very difficult because in all the Mesoamerican, in even North America, have the Tema Scal. But in the different cultures, all mecas, Mexicas, Cires, Lakotas, Mayas, Otomis, using this ceremony for purify everything. Mind, soul, heart, the body.

And into the Temazcal, they have in the Mexica way, we have four directions, east, south, west, and north. And each direction have the guardian, have the supreme leader in that direction. The first one is in east direction, the guardian is Quetzalcoatl.

Zakiya (26:04.704)
Okay.

Sergio (26:13.718)
and means the beginning. Quetzal is a sacred bird for the Mesoamerican and Coatl is the serpent. the Quetzal we have the feathers and the Coatl is the serpent. So it's the feather serpent. That means Quetzal Coat. And the Quetzal means the sky.

and the koat, the serpent, means the body, the earth. So, and represent the union of the earth and the sky and in this direction we use 13 stones.

Okay in the the red the red ones after the the fires putting the the stones into the temascale to make the steam with with a tea with with the tea so the second one is with chilopostli and it's for the south okay the hummingbird this is a left hummingbird

Zakiya (27:29.814)
Wow.

Sergio (27:31.476)
whichil Wichil

Zakiya (27:44.077)
Okay.

Sergio (28:01.336)
the god of the war but not the belly work the work inside of you

Zakiya (28:07.992)
Same thing.

Sergio (28:09.266)
When you have the little one angel here and the little one devil here, so that's with Cilopostle. Because every day, every moment, you are in war into yourself. So in that direction, we're working for the willpower and discipline. The action, movement, and we fall in our path with courage.

You know, and we still postly represent that the will, the moving and invite you to don't fear again. So that's the reason why we empower men for will.

The third direction is for the west and the warden is Chipetotel. Chipetotel means, literal means is our lord of flying one.

Zakiya (29:22.328)
The what?

Sergio (29:24.404)
Or Lord? Fly yet one.

Zakiya (29:30.744)
Flying one.

Sergio (29:32.802)
fly it fly if fl a d no fl a y ed

Zakiya (29:35.436)
Lying.

Zakiya (29:45.496)
Flied, flying, the flying one, like flying like a bird.

Sergio (29:48.432)
huh.

Sergio (29:52.667)
Yeah

No, because y doesn't have the E in middle of the L and Y, right?

Zakiya (30:08.524)
Yeah, what's it called?

Sergio (30:11.242)
or Lord of Fliets 1.

Zakiya (30:16.238)
Can you spell it?

Sergio (30:18.935)
F L A Y E D

Zakiya (30:25.74)
flayed.

Sergio (30:27.126)
Slate.

Zakiya (30:29.166)
And what's the name of the direction?

Sergio (30:35.054)
Chipetote is for the West. Yeah. Okay, we start again the direction, right?

Zakiya (30:48.632)
Just that one.

Sergio (30:50.528)
Okay, but what is the pronunciation of flyeth?

Zakiya (30:55.854)
How do you spell cheap at cheap at Coatley real quick?

Sergio (31:00.526)
x i p e space t o t e c

Zakiya (31:01.826)
Yeah, how do you spell it?

Zakiya (31:17.502)
X, I, P or D? cheap and totic.

Sergio (31:22.183)
X I P P like Pedro

Zakiya (31:27.191)
Okay.

Sergio (31:29.27)
space t o t e c

Zakiya (31:32.718)
Oh, the flayed one, the flayed one. We don't know. So flayed is how you meaning peeled or to shed.

Sergio (31:45.454)
Yeah, it's like a... They cut her skin for a new one.

Zakiya (31:50.894)
Shed skin.

Okay. Okay. So do that. Do Chipy Totic otra vez, por favor.

Zakiya (32:04.534)
I would say shed because we don't use blade in English. Shed. Shed.

Sergio (32:11.406)
SHIFF

Zakiya (32:13.614)
shed, like peeling or peeling off skin, you could say as well.

Sergio (32:19.318)
Yeah, it's better enough because shit we can confuse with another thing. Peel off the skin, Okay, so the third direction is for the west and the warden is Shippetotec. And Shippetotec means that is our lord that peel the peel off the skin one.

Zakiya (32:25.334)
Okay.

Zakiya (32:29.932)
Yes.

Sergio (32:47.722)
So, and means exactly peel off all the bad into your mind, into your heart. So in that direction, we have the opportunity to make or to take decisions that will impact in our life. So.

It's the transformation and it's as well the direction for the woman. That direction is going for the Cigua Tlampa. Cigua means in Mexica woman. Atlampa plays off.

Zakiya (33:20.64)
Okay.

Sergio (33:33.388)
That's mean the the Sihuatlampa, the third direction and this with this shippetote represent. So the power of the transformation where we shelve all layers and allow something now to to be in us, right? And the last one is the fourth direction.

is the mc-clan and the wardian is the mc-clan-te-kutli and and mc-clan-te-kutli means the lord of the underworld okay and it's not necessary to bad think it's only the underworld okay for the mexican people is no bad things or good things it's only the things and that's it

and my clan Tecutli is the lord of this place, you know? and represent the death but not in a symbolical way, not in a realistic or literal way the death of your pain, the death of your sufferer, the death of your blah blah blah. Notice the exactly things of the death of the life is

The MiG Clan make into yourself a very very deep change because you use that direction to get in that direction all the old and you reborn. As well the MiG Clan represent the silence and the introspection.

because when the things are going death, first you need to be in peace, in peace to death, right? And it's the ancestral wisdom that's represent. Mikhalte Kutli noticing a fear way

Sergio (35:52.662)
we need to make more beautiful acts, we need to move in an order transformation and return to the wisdom.

So into the Temazcal we have four rounds. We put four rounds of stones, very hard stones, and in each round we offer the sweat for that direction, for that Warden.

Zakiya (36:36.11)
Beautiful, beautiful. So what I hear you saying is each direction pays homage to a particular energetic spirit that is connected with different parts of who we are that allow us to connect and release and peel off layers of ourselves.

Zakiya (37:03.148)
And so you talked about the stones. Can you talk a little un poquito mas about the fuego, about the fire and about this que significa la fuego in Latemiscal?

Sergio (37:48.856)
Okay.

you

Sergio (37:54.584)
There is a very important part as well, even the direction, the fire. The fire call it huehue teotl. And huehue teotl, it means that the guy that everything transforms just with touching, like the fire. The fire when touch the goods, transform the goods in heat, in light, ash even.

and represent that transformation. That's the reason the stones put into the fire to heat and transform and transform it the way you think, you know? And...

The fire is so close with some emotions like fear, like clarify the tension and the freedom, you know? And in that way the fire as well represents the vital energy. It's like your heart.

That's the fire of your heart, the vital energy that living in your heart. And it's represent the sun. So the sun is the most beautiful, vital energy that we receive here into the earth. So is that motivation to do the things is the vital pulse, know?

Sergio (39:39.394)
The fire as well, lighting all that you can see with your eyes. It's like when you are walking into a beautiful forest into the night, you need the fire to see that you can see. So that's the mean. And the fire is purification.

So the fire into the Temazcal purify not only the body and throw sweat. The fire also gives you the emotional clarify and purify your mind as well.

into the temascale if the fire is doesn't into the temascale is not temascale that's it and fire doesn't just burn you know it's rebel it's transformed and remind us what is the the change that we need to make

Zakiya (40:53.826)
Beautiful, beautiful. I love that, Sergio. So you talked a lot about the fire. And we know that through the plants and the water that creates the steam inside and then throw the Timiscale that allows us to sweat. But I also know that Temazcal muy obscuro, verdad? It's dark. It's very, very dark. Por que?

Why? What does case significa of the darkness in the Temazcal también?

Sergio (41:25.495)
Okay.

Sergio (41:54.222)
Okay, reason of the darkness into the Temazcal is... Remember, the Temazcal is the womb of the Mother Earth. that's a very private... Not as private, the world, but maybe it's the very intimate space for reborn. For reborn. That's mean the darkness, because...

you are in an insurrection time so you don't need any destructor you need to be with you in that darkness you need to be reborn you know when you have a seed and you put it into the earth the seed is with water with warmth into the darkness

and all the things you need to grow up to find the fire, to find the light. So when you are into the Temazcal, you are that seed. are darkness, are with your sweat, you are looking for the light, you are looking for the knowledge. So it's very important have that.

intimate space because I need to be into the darkness to recognize the light. If you look in peace, first you need to experiment with the chaos. So that's the reason why the Temazcal is in the darkness.

Zakiya (43:32.431)
Yeah.

Zakiya (43:50.464)
Okay, beautiful. So this was the Timiskal, right after what can people expect? Maybe how do they feel? How do they take the lessons from the Temazcal How do they carry it with them? What do people experience after the Timiskal, for example?

Sergio (44:19.488)
Okay, into the Temazcal, where the Temazcal is running, you feel anxiety, you feel stress, you feel that you can't go on anymore. Because we have a spiritual ego, you know? That ego say to you, come on, go out, out.

You are so hot you need to finish this but that's the reason we need to control our mind or breathing or body and after that after the stress you have the experience like

freedom, are in peace, are so relaxing, no more stress, no more things that you are overthinking, you know? You are in a relaxed...

in a relaxed way. So that's the most people experiment after the Temazcal in a relaxing mood in everything. I have a problem. Okay, I know maybe tomorrow we can put in into the list. But this is the very great part of the Temazcal.

You know, when a child is born, he is in a...

Zakiya (45:54.038)
Born, born, birthing.

Sergio (45:56.566)
Okay, okay. You know, when a child is born in...

have a have a very difficult emotional things in their body. But after he stayed next to his, the mom and is in completely rest of peace. The baby don't needs anything, it's just...

in arms or mom and start to get in milk. But it's the same. It's the same feeling when you experimented the maskal after a couple hours more. You need to be warm. You need to be in peace. It's an amazing, amazing. It's remind how do you feel that?

Because we are now in adult life, we never remind how feels the moms, the arms moms again. So we are grow up, we are so strong, we are so disciplined, but you don't take the moment to remind how is getting into your belly's mom. So that's experience after the Temazcal.

Zakiya (47:26.732)
I love that. So we have one final question. You're doing great. Our last question. So you talked about breath. Respira. What is the role of breath?

Because I agree, I have experienced many Timoscales. It's hot and it's dark and you can panic for that. You can think, my God, I want to leave. You want to get out and really have to tap into your breath. So I'm wondering if you could just talk a little bit about the role of breath work in the Timoscale.

Sergio (48:00.312)
very interesting questions and we have I have two different explains for that the first one is the the physical one we need to breathe in like

Sergio (48:19.534)
Okay, again, again, again. Okay, it's very, very interesting questions, we have two different explains for that. The first one is the physical one. When you are breathing like a bull fighting into the Temazcal, you're beating is go up, right?

and and and the beating go up your body reaction for wants to go out of the place so into the muscal you need to be in a a breathing way so low so in calm that's the important to domain your feelings and don't your feelings domain your mind

So that's very important because when you finally understand that, all the things out of the Temazcal change. a traffic problems, a traffic with my partners in the work. So you are in the Temazcal in that moment of distress and remember of...

breathe working and everything is going down everything is going to calm again and the second one the spiritual one

When you want to feel that the ground spirit, the God, I don't know what you call

Sergio (50:03.326)
When you need to feel You need only breathe because there is the vital energy We start breathing as when we are born and all the life all the life we breathing every day every second every moment

When you are happy, you breathe in. When you are sad, you breathe in. When you are tired, you breathe in. When you have a lot of energy, you breathe in. So God, I mean the vital energy is right there with you, next to you. So if I feel stress, I...

Call for that God or call for that energy and say, come on energy, stay with me, help me in this and start breathing. Inhale all the plants into the Temazcal for that is the medicine, right? The steam with the plants. And that's the reason we need to make a very hard breathe, breathe working into the Temazcal.

Zakiya (51:17.368)
Thank you. So I love the power of our breath, the power of darkness, the power of plants, the power of fire, all of these sacred elements really coming together to support us in our own personal rebirth, right? We have the first birth through the womb of our mother.

but we can reinitiate ourselves. We can go back to Pachamama. We can return to the mother earth and we can birth ourselves again and again and again. And I think what more of a powerful time on the planet right now than to have the opportunity to rebirth ourselves. And I give thanks for the power of our ancestors that have given us these sacred traditions, these sacred ceremonies.

that allow us to tap in and really recognize who we are. And I really love that point that you made around breath because, you know, we can panic and we can add stress to our bodies, but if we can slow the breath down, right? If we can slow our mind down, that same practice we take out of the Temazcal when we are looking at the news or

dealing with stress that's going on in the world, we can remind ourselves that we're gonna get through it, right? We're gonna get through it by just breathing and not allowing that energy to fester. So it's really an embodied practice that we can all carry with us. So I just wanna thank you. Muchisimas gracias Sergio for being with us today, for explaining the Temazcal ceremony.

For those of you who would like to participate, we do have some opportunities for you to go deeper. May 2nd, we will be holding a Temazcal ceremony at Nikon Ka Retreat Center with Sergio. And we will also be doing another one in September for my four-day retreat. And we've got maybe three or four spots left for that retreat Sergio. So we have a very big group that is coming together.

Zakiya (53:25.538)
We have folks coming together from all over the world to participate in this ceremony with you. So as we close out, I'd love if you could talk a little bit more about Pachamama experiences. I am gonna put your link to all of your information on the web. So excuse me, all of the links to your information will be in the description of this podcast episode.

But if you wanna just talk a little bit more about your work, because I know your work is not just the Temazcal, you do other things. If you could just let us know a little bit more about what you do and how people can stay connected to you.

Sergio (54:03.138)
Thank you, thank you for the space. Yeah, we make as well ceremonies with master plants into the Estado de Mexico. We make here in Morelos and in Veracruz. That's the principal areas we work in with master plants. I don't know if it's possible to the name, but it's better not.

Zakiya (54:29.686)
Yeah, it's Lundell. You could say the name of the plants.

Sergio (54:32.494)
Okay, we make ayahuasca ceremony, silo sieving ceremonies and mescaline ceremonies. As well, bufo and put the cambo as well.

And if you want to experiment at Temazcal, we have a beautiful place right here in Cuernavaca Morelos that's called Tonacali, and it's in the north Cuernavaca. And you know the old friend, Steven, plays as this amazing thing. If you have a group and you need to organize at Temazcal, you can contact us to make possible that.

Well, in the the in Temoscala in the Mexica culture, we have a word, a very powerful word that is OCAGE. And OCAGE it means today is a good day to die. So thank you so much, Zakiya for everything. Thank you for the space. It's a pleasure to meet you always. And thank you and really appreciate it for your attentions.

Zakiya (55:46.552)
Thank you for joining and for my American listeners and my English speaker and listeners, this is Sergio's Primero interview in English and you did fantastic. For my astrology people, tell everybody about your astrology science so they can understand and to cumple también, so they can understand that you really are of the fire keeper.

Sergio (56:11.352)
Thank you so much. Thank you. We do it with all the heart.

Zakiya (56:15.916)
Yes. Okay. Thanks everybody for joining. We hope to see you at one of our experiences here in Mexico. And again, we do hope that you'll reach out to Sergio on your own if you want to create another experience for yourself. We'll see you next time. Until then keep shifting. Bye.

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