THA S02 EP#20 - The Medicine Opens Doors. Habits Build the Life Inside.

GLP-1 medications didn’t start as a cultural headline but they’ve become one because they’re changing real lives. The problem is: access hasn’t been equal, the market is still noisy, and most people don’t realize the medicine is only part of the story. 

In this episode of The Habit Architect, host Michael Cupps talks with Chris Beers, founder of OrderlyMeds, about how telemedicine and compounded GLP-1 options have expanded affordability and availability for patients who were blocked by cost, insurance denials, or inconsistent pharmacy stock. Chris shares his founder journey—from a serious ICU health event to receiving a prescription he couldn’t fill, to months of research, to finally trying GLP-1s and realizing the experience around them was broken. 

Michael and Chris dig into what’s actually happening in the GLP-1 marketplace today: how the conversation shifted from “copies” to personalization, why shortages can feel “resolved” on paper while shelves stay empty, and how legal and regulatory pressure has shaped the category. They also cover the habit architecture that makes results stick—starting with water and protein, then layering in movement and mental health—because lasting progress requires more than appetite suppression. 

The conversation closes with a forward-looking vision: a shift from reactive “healthcare” to proactive “self-care,” where providers become guides instead of gatekeepers, and data (biomarkers, wearables, and testing) helps personalize decisions before problems become crises. 

This episode is for anyone exploring GLP-1s, leaders watching benefits and wellness collide, patients who want a healthier second half of life, and builders working on what healthcare becomes next. 

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Transcript

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Hi, good morning and welcome to The Habit Architect. I'm Michael Kucher host, and I'm really excited about today's guest because it's impacting all of our lives in one way or the other. We're hearing about it, we're we may be customers, and I was a customer of the gentleman that you gonna join us in just a minute. And it's impacting a lot of lives in a positive way. Very a unique opportunity that that. Commercially is challenging. There's big pharma out there that are trying to monopolize the area of drugs in the US at least. And rarely do you find companies that get started by somebody with passion for something because he found a problem in the marketplace. He became passionate about it and launched a company that, that really has changed many lives, I think, in the neighborhood of 90,000 lives. I'm excited about this. We're gonna talk about GOP once today. So you may have heard of Monro. Or Ozempic or Wegovy or any of those things, those are the brand names. And Chris is gonna talk about how he's actually brought affordability and access to a population that was having challenges to get access

to those medications. That's what we're gonna talk about today. Before we do that, I just wanna remind you go to time bin io and check out all of our education, our mobile app, the book, et cetera. Again, that's time bandit.io and I do wanna encourage everybody to ask questions. Let's go ahead and bring Chris on. From Backstage Online. While I'm doing that, if you're watching on Spotify or your YouTube, whatever do, subscribe and and ask questions live today if you get a chance. Hello, Chris. Good to see you. Chris: Hey, Michael. Good to see you. Thanks for having me. Michael Cupps: 1:23

Absolutely. So good. I really, I've really, I've been wanting to do this for some time because this topic is. I don't wanna say overwhelming, but it is everywhere, right? There's, when it first came out, when GLP ones first came out, there was some polarization around it, and the righteous people that sit in the fitness rooms all the day. Then, they had a, they had an opinion, doctors had an opinion and everything, but it's changing people's lives. Just, that's the flat out fact. So I wanna talk about all that today, the habits that go with it. But first, why don't you introduce yourself for the audience. Chris: Absolutely. I'm Chris Beers. I founded Orderly Meds in

2023 Oct October of 2023. But my background is not in healthcare. My background is software development and consulting. So my previous 20 years were nowhere near the healthcare space. Michael Cupps: Yeah. And that's where I met you too. We actually had some, I think we partners at some point in the journey, so it's fascinating to me to see a pivot like that. And it's obvious that you're passionate about this too. I I think maybe we start with that your founder story, you. You found yourself in a situation, right? Chris: 2:23

Yeah, absolutely. I have to rewind the tape one additional year, so we'll go back to 2022. And I find myself in the ICU, the doctor's yelling at me about having to transfuse blood and I get to spend five days there coming out and totally unrelated to weight, unfortunately, but that's a much longer story. The but coming outta that, my, my primary care physician said, Chris, you could stand to lose 20, 30 pounds. It would help with your overall recovery and kind of what you're dealing with. And she wrote me a prescription for Wabi. And so I sat on this and I took it to Publix and Publix said, yeah, insurance isn't gonna cover that. And even if you wanted to pay cash, we have not had that in stock for months, right? So good news is Facebook doing Facebook's things starts to stalk me and put ads in front of me for alternative sources for these types of medications. And that led me to start to explore what is compounding, how come telemedicine is able to do this? Kind of the. Framework that allowed this to happen online. It took me almost six months to get comfortable ordering, right? So my event was in October of 2022. I didn't order my first GLP one online until August of 23. So medication starts showing, and that was research and fear and what was out there in the market. And, there, there was not nearly the talk track that is GLP one's, that there is today, three years ago. So get on the medication lose weight super fast. It's great. Just it, I didn't have the symptoms, so it was a great experience for me from like a medication perspective. But my background, 20 years in customer experience and software development, I was like, this is the worst digital experience I've ever had. Like the clunkiness of the site, the way that they engaged with you from a community perspective and walked you through the journey of doing this medication, which shows up in a vial and a needle, which is not a thing I've ever done before, and you're just kinda left to figure it out. So by October I'm wandering around complaining about how much I didn't like this experience. And, my, my friends and family are like, Chris, a thing or two about this. If you wanna do something about it, do something about it. So I went to my college roommate, previous business partner, and I said, Hey, I think there's something here. I think we can create a much better experience. And the theme wasn't just a better digital experience, it was right in line with what you're talking about. It was the habits that have to wrap all the way around this, right? Weight loss is not just a medical journey, it is a mental journey. It's a fitness journey. It's a nutritional journey, and you've gotta change habits while you use the medication so you can come out the other side in a better place. He eventually got on board. We spent October and November of 23 building the orderly meds platform V one. We launched January. Of 2024 and we ended that month with 17 customers and we thought, oh goodness, we have wasted a ton of time and

energy. 'cause if you can only get 17 customers on a weight loss platform in New Year's right resolution timeline, you're probably doing something wrong. We grounded out, we stuck with it. Things really started to change for us. March, April we ended 2025 with 110,000 patients. Michael Cupps: Wow. Wow, that's, Chris: 5:23

It has been it has been a tremendous journey. Our community is filled with stories of people that have lost 20, 30, a hundred pounds. I think our collective weight loss is north of two and a half million pounds. As a community. So it, that's a transformational amount of weight. And the theme that we went with, 'cause I think, I aligned with my personal journey was, it was a story of how do you get more usable life out of your second half? Like we all crush ourselves for the first 40 or 50 years, and then we get to retirement mode and we're not actually able to enjoy it, right? So how do we make sure that we can get there and enjoy that? And I'll tell one customer, close friend of mine helped me get my first job outta college, first customer on the platform. He told me a story

of I went on my honeymoon and I tried to ride the helicopter and then made me buy a second seat. And that was the moment I knew that I needed to do something. He's been on the platform, he had been on the platform for a year. He gets to the end of that year, he sends me a text that is, Hey, I wanted to let you know I'm back in Hawaii. I only needed one C. Michael Cupps: That's fantastic. Chris: Just that's what we're here for. That those are the stories that make this all work. Michael Cupps: 6:23

Exactly, and I think the headlines make it about, a magic pill or weight loss and it, but it is about life's changing, right? That's really what it is. Maybe that sounds a little quirky but it is I was reading, and I hate to admit this, I was reading the aa RP bulletin about age, but I was, and the reason two out of three aged 40, between 45 and 64. Two out of three people have an e are either diabetic or have the tendencies to get there. Yeah. Two out of three people. That's scary. If you think about that, that's a holistic problem and those are what you think about 65. Like you said, people are gonna retire and not be able to enjoy it and that cost is gonna add up. It's just, it's terrifying in my opinion, what we've done to ourselves and I think health is an interesting problem because you can't go in the grocery store. Not, and find healthy options. You can, but you have to be deliberate about finding healthy options. And we've got, so this industry is just feeding us this information about just, Hey, there's a quick snack, here's this, and it's full of, preservatives and chemicals, or it's full of just fillers so they can. Stay on the shelf longer and stuff like that. It's really hard for people to, and I think what I really like about what you're doing is you're clearing the head space for people to make those lifestyle changes and Yeah. So we'll get to, Chris: I know it's nothing related to us and what we're, but I don't know if you've seen the Hines comparison of what was in the Hinz bottle in the fifties and what's in the hinz bottle today. And it was like tomato water salt, and now it's 75 chemicals that we can't. Pronounce right. And it's just, we're like your parents are saying, this is what I ate when I was a kid, and you're going, this is not what, this has the same brand name. This is not the same food infrastructure for sure. Michael Cupps: Exactly. Let's talk a little bit about the state of the market today. There's, there are, there's

a still a lot of noise. Ads for the name brands I think on tv, but unfortunately either your insurance plan doesn't cover it or is still very expensive. And I think employers are struggling with do they cover it, do they not? Employees are confused. What's the general state of the market these days? Chris: 8:23

Yeah. If you start from the beginning the reason that compounding, got. Attention was that in the US when a medication is on the FDA shortage list, compound pharmacies can step in and create that medication to supply doctors, right? Like the patent that those brands have doesn't override the medical necessity to be able to give the those prescriptions to patients. That shortage was resolved in, the first quarter of last year. And, the shift in focus is not that we are creating copies anymore, it's that I'm gonna align a tirzepatide or a semaglutide shot, Michael, that is tailored to you, right? So it's personalized based on your health assessment. Maybe it, maybe you need more focus on muscle retention, or you need more focus on, anti-nausea or energy levels because your energy drops when you're on. On Eptide, right? So the personalization of these medications is what doctors are prescribing, not the branded, because it only comes in one format. It doesn't have any of those additional benefits if you add in other things that help support those other areas that I just referenced. So that's the shift in the marketplace, and Eli's still, and Novo's still upset about that, right? They filed a number of lawsuits around compounding and personalization last year. And over the summer, you know what the courts decided was that Eli and Novo didn't have standing to even file those lawsuits, right? So they were all dismissed outright. So the state of the market currently is, there is a lot of, commercially available product at your pharmacy from time to time, right? Even this month I was in Publix and just, hey, you guys have, seven and a half, milligram dose of Majaro. And she goes, no, we get a shipment in about every Sunday and it's gone Sunday night. Michael Cupps: Yeah. Chris: So even though it's resolved from shortage, it's still not Michael Cupps: Yeah. Chris: Available every day. This is gonna continue, I think the other state of the market here, and what I think we're seeing happen on the GLP one side is you're gonna see prices come down. I think the administration has done a good job of pressing that price dialogue. I think the markets. Are looking at that and they're coming out with a 1 49 pill, I think that will continue to bring the price down, and that's only gonna raise the number of people that are getting the benefit of this medication, which is good for everyone. But what I think it really drives, like the longer tail that comes outta that is the population that is spent most of their adult life, obese and feeling terrible, is now in a place where they feel great, where they feel better than they ever have. And if they're anything like me, the next question that I ask is, what's next? Yeah. So I feel good here oh, but my hormones are outta whack and I need to be on testosterone because I've been overweight for the last 20 years. Or there's other medications out there, N ad plus some molin things that are FDA approved. Just, they stack on top of these GLP ones and they make you feel superhuman. I've got everybody in my life on NAD plus now. It is a chemical that also kinda winds its way down outta

your body as you age. And the reality of it is I feel 20 years younger, my dad, is 70 and he's climbing ladders, getting on the roof and cleaning gutters and, calls himself Super grandpa now. So I, I think it's creating this mental shift for all of us where we wanna be more proactive. Michael Cupps: Absolutely. Chris: We work at the blood work companies and they're collecting hundred biomarkers and they're selling hundreds of thousands. And this is a population of people that bypass the doctor because they wanna be proactive about their health. And that's the shift that, that we're experiencing right now. Michael Cupps: 11:23

Yeah. And that's exciting. I thi I think more data about how to be healthy and how it affects you every day. What's your choices? What is, what does a choice do to your downstream? Biomarkers or whatever is interesting. So let's talk about the weight loss for a minute and really the habits you mentioned and what struck me when I first was introduced to your company is you. You had partners like Nutrition Partners and behavioral health and other things. So let's talk about the habit architecture around somebody that gets on GOP one, what they should expect and maybe what they need to think about changing. Chris: Yeah, I think this is just general habit creation, right? Don't create 17 new habits the day you start a GLP one and expect any of them to be successful, right? Pick one or two and get those and, do the mental training so that they actually become habits and the really easy ones, the number one thing that is happening to folks when they start GLP ones is they're not getting enough protein and they're not getting enough water. Full stop. You read about the gut problems. Most of the problems come from the muscle mass problems. They come from those two issues, right? You've gotta prioritize water, you gotta prioritize protein. That's your first three month habit, right? Coming out of that, you've gotta, there, there is all the other things. Right now you can get up and go for more walks. You should start to adjust. How am I snacking? What am I doing from an activity perspective, and then I think a serious one, and one that, we partnered with better Health to Execute is the mental health side of this, right? A lot of eating is related to something going on. Your anxiety, your stress, your, so there's a huge mental component here that I think gets downplayed and needs

more attention. Michael Cupps: 13:23

Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. I think people build habits over years that they don't realize as a habit, and that, like I said earlier, the GLP ones, at least for me, gave me a little bit of head space that I wasn't thinking about the next meal. I was thinking about, Hey, it's a beautiful afternoon. I'm gonna go out for a walk, or whatever the circumstance was. But just sometimes when we're trying to change our lifestyle. It's really what we're telling ourselves. And sometimes we don't even, the subconscious is telling us, because we've just been doing it over and over, that, that's why it became a habit. And I think that is, that clarity is there. I think you use behavior, belief, and belonging. I've I've talked about movement, meditation and moderation, right? So it's the same thing. If you can think about. Those lifestyle changes. And I think that's one of the interesting things about your community on Facebook. I spent some time there this week and have before anyway, but it just, the stories and the support about, Hey, you, you're going through this. I did this, I tried this and it worked, and it was about, because what you hear in the news is really, oh, they're just trying to get a magic weight loss pill,

but. When you look in those communities, there's people helping each other and there's amazing results, like you said. Some people say they lost, X amount of weight up last year, and it's incredible how they're trying to lift each other up, and I think we should all be doing that. Chris: 14:23

Yeah, no I think it's a little disheartening when some people call it the easy button or want to downplay that effect, right? At the end of the day, like even if you're going to the gym all the time, like we're making improvements to that equipment so that it is more efficient and better for us, right? Yep. We're not all still just doing pushups and lifting rocks off the ground, right? So I don't understand why advancements in medication, in nutrition, in fitness can't all be looked at the same way. They are supporting cast members to help us have better lives. Michael Cupps: Absolutely. Absolutely. And when you, let's go back to when you started taking it after your del all your research and everything, were there one or two habits that you said this is a must maybe you already talked about water and protein, but you were learning that on your own journey. What? Anything you changed drastically? Chris: Yeah. I think, the biggest shift that I made when I first got started was I went from a little bit more strength training to being a little bit more cardio, right? So a little bit more running, a little bit more walking, like that kind of activity hand in hand with the water and the protein. I think as you look out longer now, it's. Just order less food, right? Make smaller portions. Now when we're doing di, you spend the first year on these meds and you make dinner and everybody eats, and then you put the leftovers in the fridge, and now you've got so many, you're throwing 'em away in two days, three days later. So it's it, when I go out with my partner, she and I will mostly split meals now, right? There's just, there, there's not as much consumption happening, right? Your alcohol intake goes down. So that's a habit. Everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people are also thinking about like especially dry January, right? We're all like, ah, we should quit. We know it's terrible for us, but it's a social lubricant that we continue to indulge. GLP ones naturally help you solve some of that habit too, because it doesn't feel good. Yeah. So it does have a natural help on a number of habit steps. Michael Cupps: Yeah you just hit something. It was in 23, I decided to quit drinking. I was talking to my physician about it, and I said, is there anything that you would recommend? I do. She, and she said semaglutide well. Reduce your cravings. If you wanna do it, I'll sub prescribe you a month or two months. And so I did it and she was right. And it's just it just helps you get started. It's not changing, that much other than just giving you a mental boost to get there. And so I haven't hit a drink since. And then, of course congrats. Yeah. Yeah. And you're right, a lot of people are thinking about drinking less, eating less, and I think it's I'm really pleased to start seeing there's more and more stuff about the food that we're eating is not healthy. And, maybe, people probably are unhappy with Robert Kennedy, but he's there and he's pushing that, that journey. And it's real, there's so much. Stuff that we eat and that become a habit that we just don't need to be doing. And or replace it with something positive. So let's talk about some other success stories. You've got, like I said, in your Facebook community, there's some amazing success stories and it's really fun to read. I think it is just because I seeing people tackle something they've wanted to do and they're doing it. But do you have anyone a story that sticks out in your mind? Helicopter was a good

one. Chris: 17:23

We did an event middle of last year where we bought together a small group of about 15 of our customers, partners and some of the people would get up and tell stories of, 130 pounds, right? And they would do before and after pictures, and the impact that has had on their. Mental health, their relationships, the, the way that they can engage with their kids. And it's interesting because I think we focus on the really big losers, right? Like the folks that have lost a ton of weight and have made these huge transformations. Even 20 pounds off of a 55 year old's knees is Absolutely, yeah. Super, super relevant, right to longevity and being able to maintain, enjoying that second half of life, which we're so passionate about. I, I think some of the stories there, there personal accountability stories, there's, funny stories around oh, I, I did this and then had this kind of outcome and, I think there. It is interesting to me when, how raw some people will get in the community, right? Around what they're experiencing or how the, the meds impacted their intimate life, their, everything, right? Like they're sharing these things. You're like,

that's really private and personal. Thank you for, sharing that with us. Michael Cupps: 18:23

Yeah, absolutely. And you guys invited me to do a webinar for, with you guys like last October. I really had so much fun doing it because the participants were active in asking questions. One, one particular story that kind of got me was one lady said I don't like to walk. And she did it in the chat and I said, okay, I don't like to walk. Maybe just do leg lifts from, a chair or something like that. And it, then we went on to another question, and then the next time she wrote, she said, I'm gonna start walking. So it was just that kind of thing. They're telling themselves what they, Chris: yeah. Michael Cupps: What they learned they can't do, and now they're realizing that they can go do those things. Yeah. That's amazing. And you were telling me when we talked beforehand, that GLP ones are now finding new homes for other other things. Could you share a little bit about that? Chris: Yeah, I think what's amazing is the research that continues to come out on like al alternative outcomes, right? So the most recent one was a couple of days ago. GLP ones are dramatically improving fertility rates. There are studies around, dementia and Alzheimer's and, you can dig around and maybe that's diabetes type three, right? Because they're saying that your insulin management is so heavily influencing your brain's health as you continue to age, right? GLP ones are helping on that front. There there's studies around rheumatoid arthritis, right? And then I think you get into the long tail of what obesity includes, right? So now GLP ones are getting prescribed for sleep apnea, which is primarily an obesity problem. It's a line that they've included that allows some people to use a GLP one through an insurance plan because maybe they will cover a sleep apnea, but they won't cover weight loss, right? So these alternative indications are starting to create alternative ways. For insurance to be leveraged where they were banning the utilization of insurance on the weight loss category, which is huge for consumers, right? The more of those that we open up, the better off we are. Michael Cupps: Absolutely. It is. Absolutely. Where do you see the market going? What, I think the employer market is interesting because I mean they're trying to do the best they can for their employees, but it drives cost up and things like this. Yeah. Do you see anything helping in the employer insurance type programs? Chris: I think it's a tricky problem for insurance in general, right? So I think in a non databased way, we can all say weight loss is good, right? Like it creates less insurance issues, right? It creates less medical events as a category. Insurance should say, we should be covering this because the long term effect is great. Yeah. The reality is that we think quarter to quarter, because they're all publicly traded. And they have the data that says Michael will be an employee for XY, Z corporation for 2.6 years. So by the time we're finished covering Michael's weight loss meds, he's moving on to a different company, which might be a different insurance plan. And that new insurance plan gets the benefit of Michael's reduced health care. Michael Cupps: Yeah. Yeah. Chris: So until all of them go, none of them go which is why, so it's like where's the cabal that's gonna come together and say, we all gotta go do this. So that three years from now insur, our healthcare costs are dramatically decreased. But I, and then there's the more nefarious side that says, insurance companies do better when we're all sick. Michael Cupps: Yeah. Chris: Because when they have an adverse year of claims, they get to go raise premiums. 40% on

everyone. Michael Cupps: Yeah. Yeah. Chris: 21:23

So it's not in their best interest to, to ensure things that actually operate in a proactive health improvement way. Which is why like the insi the, I think as I've dug into this the incentive structure is so broken, right? And what I think, we're. My, my brother is a doctor, and two years ago when we were doing this, he goes, Chris, that's where, telemedicine is where doctors go to die. I'm not gonna join you on this journey. That's the end of their career, not a thing that they want to go do. He's joined us as Chief Medical Officer in December because the mindset has shifted from I don't want to be in the system that is continuing to perpetuate the disease, chronic pain problem, and not proactively solving healthcare. And where this category is going. Great. We started with GLP ones, but where this category is going is a proactive healthcare model that allows the consumer to choose their own adventure. Michael Cupps: Yeah. Yeah. And to, let's talk about that a little bit. I love that story about your brother though, because I personally, if I can get telemedicine, I, that's where I wanna go, because I don't have to sit in the

lobby. I don't have, although for all it's on. Yeah, exactly. But let's talk about the future of what you're doing. I know you're, you've talked about personalized medicine and some other things. Why don't you tell us where the journey's going? Yeah. Chris: 22:23

I look at what we've done around the GLP one category and the opportunities that's presented us as we, we take a look back at the overall category and where I think we are going where I know where we're going. We've gotta move from this healthcare model to what I'm calling a self-care model, right? So Michael you should be choosing to be proactive with your health. Your health should be personalized to you based on a tonnage of data that no doctor can consume, right? The gigantic biomarkers, your DNA report, your gut biome the points of data coming off every health tech device in your house, your scale, your oral ring your continuous glucose monitor, like no doctor could consume all of that on a daily basis and go, Michael, you need to think about this. But the evolution of technology is allowing us to pipe all of that data into an intelligent system that then, looks across a hundred thousand patients and says these three need to do something different because based on this data, there's a problem. And that alerts the doctor, and the doctor can be proactive there. So this idea of self-care, right? Is we should be responsible for our health. The provider should be a guide, not a gatekeeper, right? The number of women that have been turned around turned away for the last two decades from testosterone because of a black box label warning that true turned out to be untrue is sad, right? That's two generations of women that had horrible hormone balance, right? So I believe in this self-care model, right? And I think there's a future where, you know, orderly as a platform will be everything other than heads and beds and surgical. So we should have the infrastructure, we, we've started opening clinics in Atlanta, right? So we've got two physical clinics where you can go in now and meet with a provider and have a more holistic, functional conversation, not just a weight loss conversation. And we're gonna bring those findings into our digital experience and expand the number of clinic footprints that we have across the country, in, in the next three years. I would think that we look like a shadow healthcare system that

has major operations in every metro zip code. Has the digital infrastructure to provide you with any type of co specialty consultation that you need is partnered with the pharmacies all across the country to deliver those medications as maybe needed. And yeah, I just, I think it's a new type of model that's emerging, how to become a healthcare, a self-care, health sy a self-care system instead of a healthcare system. Michael Cupps: 24:23

Yeah. And you said something earlier, I think you said the provider should be a guide instead of a gatekeeper. And I think that's what you're, what, that's what you're explaining or how I'm hearing it, is that, hey, let's come in and see what's best for you and Right. What fits your lifestyle and all that stuff. And that's amazing. I think that's where we, that have to go as a, as. As a population, and it's hard to, I think you mentioned, there's these rigid systems that have been in place and there's actuaries that say we could do this or we won't do this. And that doesn't have anything to do with the patient. It has to do with the numbers. So it, it's an interesting thing. It's great. And you talk about like gut biome and B12 and stuff like that, or, I saw that on your website maybe. How does that

interact with GLP. Chris: 25:23

I mean if you think about the gut biome side of things, right? Gut biome is being linked to your mental health. Gut biome is being linked to how your skin, right? There's a lot so there's a lot happening in the gut that I think we are still trying to understand, right? If you think about the way that a GLP one works is that it dramatically show slows down your overall gut, right? I don't think we've seen any longitudinal studies around what that is doing to your gut biome. So that's things that we're investing in. How do we do more of, if we can do gut biome testing across our patients from start to six months later to 12 months later, we can start to be the group that understands the impact that's having. And then, oh, by the way, at months, between months five and seven is when you start to see the biggest impact. Your gut biome, here's the probiotic that you need so that you can maintain great mental clarity and great skin, right? Those are the things that we're looking for to improve the outcomes that GLP ones create. Michael Cupps: I'm excited about that. Being a colon cancer survivor I, that gut biome thing is something I try to learn about. And, it's interesting to me. I've tried all the probiotics and nothing really, I didn't notice anything

and I just started using one spore based probiotic. I actually feel a difference and I, and it's, and if the science is right, it's because it moves through your system and gets to the, to, to your intestines before the acids break down and stuff like that. So I think that's great area for you guys. I'm really excited about that kind of research and where that kind of goes as well. Chris: Yeah. Michael Cupps: 26:23

We did get somebody on LinkedIn did say, this is really interesting conversation. Thank you Chris. So that's good. We didn't get any questions though. That's unfortunate, but, so let's talk about you for a minute. What is a habit that is non-negotiable for Chris Fearers? Every day. Chris: Every day, hugging the kids before they go to school. Michael Cupps: That's a good one. That's a good one. That's awesome. Last week the guest said make their kids breakfast every morning so they could just spend some time. That's awesome. That is awesome. That's an interesting trend for two men said the same thing or same area. Yep. Anything else you wanna share with us about Orderly? How do people find you? How do, Chris: yeah. Orderly meds.com. You can hunt me down on LinkedIn. I'm available for