018: MLB Trailblazer Jenny Cavnar – Behind the Mic & Beyond the Game

Jenny Cavnar is changing the sound of baseball—literally. In this episode, we sit down with MLB’s first female primary play-by-play announcer to talk game-day prep, imposter syndrome, and the power of storytelling in the booth. She takes us behind the mic and into the chaos of calling games while raising a family and making history. We dig into what it means to find your voice in a male-dominated field, how she handles pressure on and off the air, and the small moments that make it all worth it. From vision boards to viral moments, this one’s for anyone chasing big dreams. 

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Chapters

• 00:00 - Mic Check, Glass Ceiling Cracked
• 10:15 - From Fan to Front Row
• 18:25 - Tales Taller Than Players
• 19:08 - Game Day = Coffee + Chaos
• 28:26 - Imposter Syndrome’s Got Nothing
• 37:41 - Advice: Be Cool, Stay Loud
• 46:30 - Hugs, High-Fives, and Heroes
• 48:21 - Future So Bright, Needs Shades

Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00.97)
I'm so humbled that I was the one chosen to kind of start this venture, my warning to fans that don't want to hear women is it's not stopping. There's women calling NBA games and they're two very good friends of mine and I'm so extremely proud of them and they've both been instrumental in me making a leap in baseball and in my own path. in 10 years, we're going to see there's a lot more coming through and it's not really going to be a conversation.

So I'm going to sound that crazy and unique because there'll be a lot more to be heard.

Have you ever wondered why people get so hyped about their favorite sports teams? Well, it turns out it's not just about the game. It's about the community. My name is Teryn.

And I'm Ambre. Welcome to Almost Fans, the sports podcast that's fun, a little bit educational, and will give you plenty to say when you're trying to keep up with those diehard sports fans in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:03.162)
All right, friends, we've got a big one today. I cannot understate that because later in the show, we're joined by Jenny Kavanagh. She's the first woman to become a primary play-by-play announcer in Major League Baseball, currently calling games for the Oakland A's. She's a total boss in the booth, a mom, and a powerhouse who's changing the sound of baseball one call at a time. So trust us, you're gonna wanna stick around for this conversation.

But before we get too sporty, we're easing into this week's hat trick. Three activities we each want to try. Consider this your official permission slip to branch out, be bold, or at the very least sign up for that class. You keep ghosting. So let's get into our top three activities we want to try. Ambre, you go first.

Okay, it's pickleball. And every time I say that, everybody I say that to is like, yeah, it's the coolest. And then they start telling me all the things and I'm like, stop talking. I know, I know everybody's doing it. I know it's very easy. I had an opportunity to take lessons this past month and it just didn't work for my calendar. I'm headed that way. I really want to do it. Everybody's talking about it. Everybody's doing it. It feels like a cousin of tennis and I love tennis. played tennis in high school. So pickleball by the end of 2025.

I will have learned how to play pickleball and taken at least one lesson. Pickleball, I'm coming for you.

You say like you're taking a lesson. It's not that hard to just get started in playing. That was my point. Like, and it's not the game itself is not that complicated. I mean, go take a lesson, sure, but it's not that hard to get going.

Speaker 2 (02:41.89)
We have a really excellent set of programs, recreation programs in our village center. So I still just want to.

You just sounded 80. You are 80 years old.

There is a senior center in the village center. I'm going to go sign up for a recreational program in my local village center. Yeah. Yeah. But really I am pickleball. Wow. Yeah.

Both those things make you sound like you are going to the early bird special later today.

Sure.

Speaker 2 (03:10.956)
You know, I'm not mad about that. I like to eat dinner really early. So anyway, over to you.

All right, over to me. My first thing that I wanna try is this kind of, this is a little bit of a stretch, but I wanna go to Europe. I've never been to Europe. This is so ridiculous that I have not made myself get to Europe yet. And I wanna go on a wine tour or a cooking class in Europe because.

We're doing both, right? In the next year? Let's do it!

Let's do it. Yeah, because why wouldn't I want to like walk the historic streets, see all the sites, definitely do a wine tour or three or and then I want somebody's grandma to teach me how to make something authentic.

That's what I want. Okay. Since I'm headed that way anyway, I'll learn how to make pasta and then I could teach you.

Speaker 3 (03:52.118)
Now, you're my grandma, you're the grandma!

Exactly. No, I don't qualify. Let's find somebody who's legit and has an accent and has a really fantastic Italian accent. Okay, fair enough. My number two is golf and Tara knows that I am already signed up for lessons, not through the Village Center, but through a golf country club, which still makes me sound old actually, now that I'm saying that out loud.

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:19.853)
But I am doing, okay, this makes it younger maybe. There's alcohol involved. I won't drink it. it's called, the lessons are called chips and sips. So my friend, shout out Lauren and I are going to go also, but can I just say it's at least 25 % of my motivation is that I want to wear a pleated skirt. skirt. Yep. I've already bought it from Lululemon. It's black. out. High rise. It has like little spandexy shorts in the inside. And I

cannot wait. cannot. Yes, absolutely. I cannot wait. I'm going to do golf. I'm so excited.

All right. That actually does sound like a lot of fun. So I'm there. Okay. My number two is I want to be an extra in something like a movie, a TV show or a commercial. I want to be an extra with lines. Did you know I had this dream?

No, can I say something? Yeah. I think we need to make a Hallmark movie of your life and you would be the main character. That's a lot. I would be the side person because the side person always has straight limp hair. So I'm there. You have way better hair. You would be the main character. I've been waiting for months to tell you this story and I've been saving it for the right moment on the podcast. So let's make a Hallmark movie of your life.

Lottowise.

Speaker 2 (05:40.158)
could write the story. I'll be the side person, whatever, that supports you. Yeah. There's always a best friend because you got to have somebody bounce things off of and kind of add more color to the character. So that would be me supporting you, but also gently shoving you into meeting the love of your life sort of thing. And then I'm going to have to retire because there is nothing I could do that would impress my mom more than being in a Hallmark movie. Like my life would be done.

You mean like the best friend?

Speaker 2 (06:09.388)
I just need to stop everything.

love the idea. It also overwhelms me a lot. Let's start with a commercial and then we'll move into Hallmark movie.

Okay, fine. As long as I know that it's a possibility and it's on the radar. Sure.

So it's a movie about me and I play me?

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:28.588)
I don't think my life's that exciting.

your life is so exciting. A single mom looking for love, running a podcast. Okay, maybe this series has already been done, but with what's her face? Kristen Bell. No, but I think it has.

Or Kristen Bell could play me, that would be cool. And I'll be an extra in my movie about me.

Okay, there's lots of options here. I think we should workshop this and we'll come back with a plants workshop. My final activity here that I really want to try is dropping a ski while water skiing. I really want to slalom. Teryn knows that water skiing, we live on a lake up here in Madison, Wisconsin. So the opportunity to do anything on the lake when it is not frozen solid, it lasts only a couple of months. And my happy place is water skiing. And I'm

I'm okay at it. I really like it. I really, really, really like it. I've always wanted to try dropping a ski so then you'd be skiing on just one ski, it's long skiing. So that is a thing I also really want to try in 2020.

Speaker 3 (07:33.87)
Just to clarify, you definitely made it sound like you and I live together on a lake. That is not the case. You live with your husband and your children. I do not live with you, but I wish I did.

Sometimes it feels like we spend a lot of time together. So I think we could be a we. We are It's like a collective gesture at we.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My number one thing that I really, really want to do, I want to have this opportunity is I want to throw out a first pitch at a baseball game.

That would be so cool. What would you win?

Actually, it's one of those things that's scary. Like it feels very overwhelming to think about doing that. Like I have, feels a lot of pressure to put on me. What would I wear? Probably just a Jersey. Like they always just wear like a Jersey of whatever team would have to be. Well, I guess it could be either the Brewers or the Tigers, either team. I feel like it would be appropriate. I definitely don't want to trip. I don't want to throw the ball into the dirt.

Speaker 3 (08:37.324)
I want it to reach the catcher in the air. They should not have to move out of the box. See, I have a lot of feelings. I practice a lot because I don't have a lot of experience throwing a baseball.

requirements.

Speaker 2 (08:52.162)
Would you do a crazy windup or anything?

No, I would be very chill because I don't want to look like an idiot. mean, yeah, just minor, minor risk. Like the risk is getting out there. Yeah, I wouldn't do any like back flips or splits or anything like that. People do that and that's, that's not me, but I want to throw, I want to throw a solid pitch. Like I want people to be like, look at this girl. She can actually throw a baseball.

No risks. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:04.11)
He's doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:18.744)
Like an athletic looking throw. Yes, that's it. That's solid. Your activities are a big deal. I can't. Yeah. Usually I'm the one who's doing something ridiculous, but I like where you're headed. Yeah. Let's make all this stuff happen.

Kept it little safe for me.

Speaker 3 (09:36.151)
Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (09:40.342)
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Today's guest is a true game changer, literally. Jenny Kavnar made history as the first woman to become a primary play-by-play announcer in Major League Baseball. And she's currently calling games for the Oakland A's. But for Jenny, it's never just about the scoreboard. It's about bringing passion, storytelling, and a deep love of the game to every broadcast. She's a seasoned reporter, a mom,

and a trailblazer who's changing the sound of baseball one call at a time. Welcome Jenny, we're so glad to have you.

Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. I'm excited to be here with you too.

Speaker 2 (10:55.842)
So we have to kick off with one incredibly essential question and a quick preamble here. At the time of this recording, Jenny's A's are fresh off a series against our Milwaukee Brewers. Where? Where the Brewers pull it out, two games to one. So thank goodness. But much more importantly, Jenny, us Wisconsin natives are dying to know what it is like

to go down Bernie the Brewer's slide. Please describe in great detail what that's like.

Okay, so this is my 19th season in Major League Baseball. As a reporter, a host, we're now doing play-by-play. Prior to being with the A's, I was in the National League for 18 years. So I was at the Padres, I was at the Rockies, I've traveled to Milwaukee every year. There was a stretch where the Rockies and the Brewers were like opening in Milwaukee every single year, every other year.

There's 2018 when they faced each other in the postseason. Sophia Mennott's a very dear friend of mine. I love Milwaukee. Sleeper town for me and the MLB schedule always circled. Wanted to do two things my whole entire life. Sausage race, Bernie Slide. I was not invited to do the sausage race. I was finally invited, finally invited to go down Bernie Slide. And it was everything you'd imagine and more.

I think in your mind, when you're walking up there, it's like, this is going to be the longest slide ride ever. It's not that long. very quick. Did I scream the entire time? Like a little bit for show. Sure. A little bit because I was like, whoa, that first drop is real big. I was just like, don't break your arm. I mean, I think everyone remembers that story of the Dodgers reporter, David Vasse, who is great, but he broke his arm.

Speaker 1 (12:52.174)
And not good. So I've seen some other reporters, some other, you know, I'm OB commentators do it. And I was like, just don't make a fool of yourself. so it was fun. My partner Dallas Braiden, who I'm sure we'll talk about at some point in this podcast is he is quite the character. He has an excellent beard. He's living at an 11 out of 10.

Excellent beard.

Speaker 1 (13:18.382)
100 % of time and like this is being able to do things like this with him It's just like the experience is all through his eyes So I couldn't wait to see like I knew he was getting to do something ridiculous at the end and totally did like a pop-up slide He popped up so high. I he might go over I was already like I don't have a fear of heights but like getting up there like my palms were kind of sweaty you're not on

solid, I mean, you're on solid ground, but it's a great, so you can see straight down. And I was like, just keep your eyes up, just hold your breath, like you're gonna be fine. But it was so awesome. I mean, like a dream come true. So since you guys are from there, you probably always have dreamed of it as well. And I hope you get the opportunity one day to yell down that slide, scream.

So Ambre's dream is also to be in the sausage race. Which sausage do you want to be and why?

I mean Italian sausage for sure, I think.

There was no hesitation there.

Speaker 1 (14:20.11)
I feel like this could really go a direction for self very quick. yeah, I think he looks the best. I really appreciate that he's in full character.

Yeah, that's so great. Well, thank you again for being here. You have broken historic ground in baseball, but when you're calling a game, it's not just about firsts. You do a lot of storytelling and how do you bring your personality into the game when you're calling a game?

Yeah, well, I think that it's really important to be authentic to who you are. my, you know, my experience in growing up with this game, first of all, I grew up with based on my dad was a long time high school coach in Colorado. So my earliest memories of the game were, watching, were critiquing, were asking my dad a lot of questions, learning how to keep score in a score book, learning how to sunflower seeds properly, all the tools you need to fit right in, you know,

That quickly turned into I'm a doer, so I wanted to participate and I'd pick up a glove and go to his camps in the summer. I got told from an early age I didn't belong, right? I was the only girl, like, you shouldn't be here. You don't know what you're doing. And I think that everyone needs a chip on their shoulder. I think that was the chip that I got very early on in life. I never viewed it as a negative. I grew up in a neighborhood with all boys. I grew up with all boy cousins, except for one other girl.

And so it was very natural for me to be around guys and mostly they were competing. And so I wanted to compete and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed sports so much. say all of that because I didn't play majorly baseball. I obviously didn't even play baseball, pass, tee ball, because we quickly got switched to softball. But I've always been an observer of the game. And so for me, as a traditional sideline reporter getting hired in this business, turning into a host, I love

Speaker 1 (16:18.932)
storytelling, I think it connects the game to fans more than any other sport. There's 162 games. You can call action, you can keep stats. Those are important parts of the game. But if you want to keep fans around, you have to be a source of connection. And I think you also have to be a source of entertainment, you know, each and every night. I laugh because we we got in trouble by someone who covers the team or thinks they cover the team.

on a side podcast last week after the 14 to one blowout that the Brewers blew out the A's the other day. And this person took to Twitter and was like, it's embarrassing that Dallas and Jenny are laughing and it's eight to nothing. And I'm like, did you listen to three hours of the broadcast? We talked about how bad the defense was playing. We talked about all the stolen bases and the Milwaukee Brewers running everywhere.

But like, you can't just keep doing that. Like, you have to be able to find a way to keep fans around in a blowout. You have to be able to keep fans around in a close game. And you have to be able to keep fans around for an entire summer, which again, is a very long time. Also, fans aren't watching every single minute or every pitch or every game. And so I think that's where, again, the idea of like wanting to be a storyteller and wanting to share personal information, not personal information, but like, know, information that can

attract people to say like, I really like that detail about that player and I want to follow more about what they're doing. You know, that's important to me. And I've always been told in this business to just be myself, especially after I got hired for this job, since I didn't have traditional play by play routes. And so I, you know, if my bosses are going to tell me to be myself, then I'm going to be myself. And that's just part of what my game is, so to speak, as a broadcaster.

Yeah. It's a long season and long game. Like it's a lot of hours to be talking and you guys are having fun. That's great. Anybody should be mad about that.

Speaker 1 (18:19.63)
We're trying.

Speaker 3 (18:25.312)
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So I found some us being outside of your market. It took a little bit of legwork to find, you know, some, some audio of you calling the game. And I finally did. You're so good. I love your voice. The balance of you in Dallas is excellent. But since listening to some of those highlight reels, I'm dying to know how do you prep for a game? Are you just straight up looking like stats and lifestyle info about players and what they're doing in other games?

Like when you go into the booth on the night of a game where you're calling, what do you have in front of you and what have you been studying, reading, preparing ahead of Yeah.

And such a good question because I think a lot of what people see at home clearly is what happens from first pitch to last pitch. So let's say on average, well, on average, thank goodness that time has gone down. That's more like a 2.30 average for it to be more like a three hour average. But my preparation starts way before that. So we'll just take the morning, like when I get up and really when I go to bed, the first thing that I'm doing is watching highlights around the league. You have to always be up to date.

Speaker 1 (20:15.328)
of trends, things going on, big storylines. And I like to look at it as like this big kind of pyramid where you have the base that you have to know every single thing there is to know, obviously about the athletics. That's the team we cover. That's all the information you need to have stock of. And then it's like the step above that is you need to know everything going on around the ALS, the division that they're in. So the other four teams, at least be up to speed on injuries, who's hot, who's not, things like that.

And then it's like the American league kind of big picture, but really now the way baseball has changed, we play every team every year. So interleague play isn't just a thing of like this division will match up with that division anymore. It's like, you're going to see all 29 other teams throughout the course of the year. I also have another job with MLB network radio on SiriusXM. So I'm filling in doing a show, a three hour show once or twice a week. So I need to have that information anyway. So that's just kind of part of my day to day.

So it really starts with making sure I've seen all the highlights. Thank goodness MLB does an amazing job of a recap show. They have a 10-minute version one, they have a 60-second version one, they have an hour-long version one. So whatever fits into your day to know that and just get all the headlines and kind of understand what's going on in the game. And then I think the prep for that specific game that night, it's a little bit heavier if we're opening up a series, a series build, right? So you're facing the same team for three games.

most of the time, sometimes four. So that first day is like big overview picture of the other team where they're at, where they've been this season, their injury news, their strengths, their weaknesses, things like that. So I'm doing all of that via reading articles, yes, statistical information looking up. And then I'm writing it in my score book, which is a blank canvas on day one.

or is a blank canvas when I open it, but then it'll look like I'm trying to find the brewer's game that I just did so you all can get a lovely visual. And then it's like, I just start to fill it in at the hotel with different stats. And then as soon as, so like, here's the big scoring game for the brewers the other day. But as soon as the lineups come out, which I won't really get to the field, that's when I fill in who's playing that night.

Speaker 1 (22:40.302)
and I already have some side, like detailed notes about all the players that I start to then input into my notebook. So for me, the way my brain works, I think in my, like as I'm approaching my mid forties, I feel like I have ADHD all of a sudden. This is a common occurrence with a lot of women. And so for me, the most helpful thing is to always be writing down important things. And so I'll type them out in different notes on my computer. And then I physically keep a book.

by hand purposely, because I feel like when I put it to paper, I remember it quicker. So sometimes I am having to look down during the game, a note will remind me of something. Sometimes that information is just living in your brain and it's, you you're spouting it off as a place happening or after a place happening. I also have a guy that works for me that helps me do stat packs and kind of puts together different notes that are important. And then as a group, like this is the best thing to me in terms of being,

you know, being a regional sports broadcaster and doing games each and every night on television, I think it's the best team sport because sure, viewers here, Dallas and myself, but there's like 25 people working behind the scenes with your producer and director and graphics and, you know, stats and camera guys. And we all have to be on our game and do our individual jobs and work together and save each other and help each other so that the collective broadcast looks awesome and sounds awesome. So.

I think just working together as a team is so valuable and so important, but my day starts way earlier than one would think. there's even, I've even added a whole different component that has nothing to do with stats and stories and research this year. And that's just for me, myself and I, I do a lot of like visualization and breath work in the morning. I try to work out every day and move my body. And those are things like the mind body connection that I think just helps as the day gets later.

And when 7 p.m. comes around that I'm at kind of my best from a stress standpoint and from a open mindedness standpoint to then like allow the game to come to me and open up to me. And then I have to do kind of my own like post-mortem work just like an athlete would too. Like review my day, try and be kind to myself, knowing I need to improve but not getting into a negative space. So there's a lot I think that goes into it and a lot at work, but it's all.

Speaker 1 (25:01.526)
It's all really fun. It's all really fascinating to me. I enjoy each and every piece of it. And sometimes you enjoy the actual like work more than the game. I mean, the game is like the cherry on top every time, right? That's why we do this. But I think you have to love the work that no one sees in order to be around as long as I've been able to be around. I'm fortunate enough to be around.

Yeah, that makes sense. I had a follow up question to that because I always wondered when you're in the middle of the game, do you have someone in your ear giving you like the statistic or that statistic to help you is something that you didn't necessarily know about or that's happening throughout the game? Is there people talking to you guys?

So sometimes, our producer is always talking to us. so, you know, he'll get in my ear and say, like, you know, we have different graphics we have to get in that are sponsored. We have what's called the Look Live. So it's like a commercial now within the game and we have to, it's a very timed out thing. So in the middle of a, at bat, he'll say, routine out, stay live. Like we have all these cues from him that I'm constantly filtering. And then it's also a back and forth conversation. So we have,

on our, where our earpiece is connected, it's called a talkback or it's called, you know, like an audio box and we have a talkback button. So I will frequently get in talkback and say, um, like whatever the example the other day, the Brewers were running like crazy out of the gate. They were stealing a lot of bases on Sunday and you could tell that was just going to be like, that was their game plan. And so maybe stolen base attempt number three, I just got in there and was like, what

what's the record for stolen bases and anything you can say. And then they get to work. And someone's already thought of that too, back there. We also have like a Slack channel that's connected to our staff company and I can type that question in there. It's hard for me sometimes to like multitask all of that, but we have people that are just on it. And sometimes you'll get, I pretty sure say, hey, look in your...

Speaker 1 (27:00.878)
We have like what's called the font monitor. So any graphic that's about to come onto the broadcast, I can see it beforehand. So he'll say, look in your font monitor, we're to get to that. So he'll allow me to like preview what stat we're going to get to. And sometimes it surprises you and things you've never thought of. And sometimes it's like, awesome, I was about to ask for that. again, that's just like the well oiled machine. And it's really cool when the people in the truck and you as a broadcaster are on the same page and thinking about the same thing.

Within the show, but yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of minds at work at once because there's no way I can keep up with all of it

Yeah.

Jenny, I'm not a medical professional, but I can see where the ADHD comes in. You've got the game, you've got your notes, you got people here, you've got a screen, you've your cohost. got like, you're filtering one million different sources of input and trying to like use your mouth to say.

Yeah, then you'll get like a text from home in the middle of the game. That's like, where's the laundry again? Where's the diapers? Where's now? My husband's actually like super amazing about keeping information from me purposely, like at a certain amount of time leading up to a game. I've told him since like, if you know, I'm available, like if something's really going down, like I want to know about it. But he's awesome in that regard of like protecting my

Speaker 1 (28:25.12)
workspace too.

So some women carry imposter syndrome. You've probably had people ask you this before. Yeah, I know. Right. Where, mean, we're, you're doing things that women are not typically expected to be, you know, the voice that is been heavily dominated by males. how do you change or not change your behavior in these environments? Are you just truly yourself or do you have to think about these things when you come into an environment like that?

What's that?

Speaker 1 (28:56.426)
Yeah, I was so naive in taking this job last year and thinking that it's not that I never imagined imposter syndrome to not affect me. It was more like I've been doing this for so long. This won't be any different. It's just a new job. Everything was different. And I remember like out of the gate being like, my God, this is imposter syndrome. Like, I live this now. And so

I think for me, for what I've trusted, the people that hire me are trusted. All of a sudden you start to waver on that because you're not sure if fans are trusting it. Change is really hard for people in general. Change in television is extremely difficult. If you think about your local news growing up and if the main anchor was retiring or left to go to another station and there was a new person.

automatically, I would say 90 % of viewership was like, I don't like that person. Yeah. Because it wasn't the other person. It had nothing to do with the gender, the voice, the look, the delivery. was literally because it's not the other person. So I was up against that last year. I was up against being a primary female voice that had never been heard in this game. So even when you watch the highlights, right? It's like if you're watching a collective reel of highlights.

It's all male voices with maybe some females. Sometimes they include the reporters in those highlights up until like then all of a sudden this jarring like female voice calling a home run or something back to male voices. so that was change. And then I was hired by a team who, was leaving their fan base after 57 years of being in a city, a city that was really angry as a sports fan collective. And rightfully so they had lost.

the Raiders to Las Vegas, they lost the Warriors from the Oakland over to San Francisco. And now they were losing the Oakland A's. And really when I took the job, there was a chance they could stay in that market until the home for the A's in Las Vegas was going to be done in 2028. But it became evident pretty quick that wasn't going to happen. you know, then I had to deal with, and now we're moving to a different city and creating, you know, a whole new fan base now this year in Sacramento where the A's are playing.

Speaker 1 (31:18.572)
So there's just been a lot of fascinating challenges that I have been up for every single one of them. And I've also, I think succumb to like the noise at times, which I used to be really good at not doing. And so that has also been hard to just say, okay, like I have to stay the course. This change doesn't happen overnight. People don't accept things overnight.

If I believe in what we're doing and other people, again, that hired me believe in what we're doing, like we just got to stay the course. And so I really tightened up the critics group, if you will, who I listened to day to day for feedback and who I listened to about what we're doing. And, you know, you can scroll, you can scroll my ex feed or Instagram or now I get random emails because people just gets your email address. and like,

every other one is like, hate you, you're the worst voice I've ever heard. And the next one's like, I love your style. It's so great. I've really enjoyed listening to you. And it's like the same feedback, right? Like, it's the same thing. It's just, yeah. And that's it. I'm different than what they're hearing. like, I'm so humbled that I was the one chosen to kind of start this venture, but I'm my warning to fans that like don't want to hear women is

It's not stopping. There's women calling NBA games and they're two very good friends of mine and I'm so extremely proud of them. I'm so grateful for them and their friendships. Lisa Byington's with the Bucks and Kate Scott's with the 76ers and they've both been instrumental in me making a leap in baseball and in my own path. And I think there's so many avenues and sports you can point to women doing jobs that have never been done before. like in 10 years, we're going to see there's a lot more.

coming through and it's not really gonna be a conversation. It's not gonna sound that crazy and unique because there'll be a lot more to be heard.

Speaker 2 (33:22.145)
So kind of sticking with a similar theme here, you're in this very high pressure, high visibility, also scrutinized because it sounds like everybody and their brother has a very strong opinion about you and about how you're doing. But how do you protect your peace? do you, you know, how do you protect the time that you need to spend at work?

prepping for games, prepping for different projects, et cetera. Also, how do you, maybe more importantly, because we've heard a lot about kind of what's happening at work, but more importantly, how do you protect boundaries at home? You mentioned before we jumped on today, you're going to head to a little league game tonight. That's amazing. How do you do it all?

No, I think that's it is you can't do it all. And for all of us on here as working moms, you know that you still try that because I think we're all wired that way. And something breaks and something gives and like I experienced a lot of like health warning signs last year during the season that made me evaluate and change a lot of like how I was trying to do it all this off season.

So I'm grateful for that because it's really funny you asked about protect your peace. I kind of came to that conclusion is I need to build in more time to protect that. I'm grateful for the logistics of how my job is working now where because the A's were moving, my boss specifically, Devin Fox of NBC Sports California is also a working mom, very creative.

And when she hired me, was under the premise of why don't you do all the road games so you don't have to move here. You can do some home stands too, but we'll make it work that you don't physically have to move here. And she's totally held up her word, stayed true to it. I'm doing more home games this year in Sacramento, but able to travel. So keeping my family in a different state and a different location sometimes allows separation in that. mean, it's always...

Speaker 1 (35:30.798)
We have it dialed in on paper. It's not as good as it looks right because things happen like kids get sick or There's emotions involved and some days are great and everyone's on board and some days are just really hard and who it's hard on whether it's harder on mom or on kids, know to be seen but So grateful that we have a village of people. My parents are here in Colorado when I'm gone

They help out a lot. My husband's a firefighter. So when I'm gone and he's on shift, my kids are primarily with my parents. His sister is here. My sister-in-law helps out. We have a wonderful nanny that's also involved. And then now that we're in Sacramento, the best part for our family is my in-laws live just outside of Sacramento. So we will like kind of move the kids into their house and their zone and they'll be our primary help for a couple months.

in the summer when the kids are done with school. Again, I emotionally get moved multiple times a year when I think about the sacrifices that my parents and my in-laws have made because we had to ask them if I could take this job. We knew we needed everyone on board and there was no hesitation. There was a yes, there's always a solution. Their spending for my parents, their retirement years, helping our family. My in-laws are doing the best they can with

My mother-in-law has her father's in a nursing home and they're trying to maintain that and be there. You just see this generational pattern of like, everyone's helping out everyone and it's so cool. I hope that I can pay that back one day to my own kids because I'm so grateful I didn't have to choose. I didn't have to choose a career or kids or I didn't have to make any sacrifices in my career.

to be able to still have kids. So there's always sacrifices, don't get me wrong on that. But the point is, I think, just to have multiple people by your side to say, like, we're all gonna help you do this. That's pretty empowering every day. Like, I'm not just doing this job for me, I'm doing it for our group of family that's committed to it.

Speaker 3 (37:41.582)
Yeah, that's so true. Okay, so that's a really good lead into my next question, which is we know people are always asking, what's it like to be a mom and to work a full-time job? But what's the question that you wish people would ask you instead of like, how do you do it? know, what do wish people would ask you about more?

What do you wish?

wish people would ask more, what do you hope your kids learn out of watching you work and be a mother when they're older? I don't think my kids will ever understand the sacrifices we're making now or what we choose to do. I hope when they're older, they'll realize I had an opportunity to do something for our family that was life-changing, but also...

to do something for an entire gender and sports that was gonna be meaningful and be part of a meaningful conversation. And I hope they see that I had the courage to do that. Like, it's really hard at times for them, I think in their little brains to like have courage at the age of seven and four to do things. And like, I hope I teach them that you can really go, like go after anything, go after your dreams. It might be messy, it might be hard, but.

That's the other lesson is like, life is not easy. If you hit the easy button every time, you're not going to grow. And so I really want both my kids to learn that, learn how to take on challenges and embrace them. So I guess that's a question, right? yeah, I think that would be cool to hear more.

Speaker 3 (39:10.698)
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (39:15.032)
I love that. My kids were once in a while, you know what, and they don't ask this when their dad works late. course. But when I work, I've never thought about that until actually this moment. But when I work late, usually I put them to bed and I say, okay, I'm going to tell you about tomorrow. And then I walk them through every single thing. And a lot of it's very repetitive, but my four-year-old is a big feeler.

and he's my man. So he needs to know what's happening tomorrow. So I'll him through. And if I'm doing something, I play hockey one morning a week so I don't see him before he goes to school or if I have to work late. And he'll ask questions like, or the other two older kids will ask questions like, why are you always gone, mom? I'm like, okay, well, first of all, you never ask that about your dad. I don't those things. I think them. First of all, you don't ask those things about your dad. Second of all,

I work late or early far less than he does. But my response is always, you know, like something off the cuff to help answer the question. But I always try to wrap in how much I love whatever I'm doing. I love playing hockey. It makes me smile. And I really like to play sports with my friends. Or I'm going to see Ms. Teryn tonight because we're going to be doing an event where we get to talk about, you know, a part of our jobs that we really like to people who don't know about that. So I try to always wrap in.

That's cool. that they can see me that I'm doing it not because I have to. I don't ever use that language. I get to do these things and I really like it. And kiddos, one day I hope that you also find a job that you really, really like. That's cool. hope that that kind of like sticks with them. Again, you know, like to be seen. We'll see. Yeah, of course. They're like, mom always worked late. no way. No way. best we can do, you know?

Well, it's funny, we were just having this conversation the other day and I was telling a friend, like he was nervous about missing something, you know, because he was working that his girls were doing. And I was like, I'm just going to tell you, like my dad was a teacher. He was a coach. And those hours, especially during a baseball season were a lot. Like we saw him because we went to his games, but then as you get older, you also have your own games and you're here and they're there and they're everywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:30.574)
And I think my mom probably worried a lot about that too, of like our family time and are we getting enough? But like my vivid memories of my dad aren't like he carved out this long day to go take me to do something. It was like, I remember playing lacrosse in high school and looking up at the end of the game, I was probably like five and stuff in the game and looking up the hill and my dad was like running over the hill in his baseball uniform. Cause he knew like it might be a minute, but like I'll make it.

And that was it, it was like the effort, right? So I'm like, when we look back on our childhood and adult, like, what do we remember most? And so I try, maybe it's just for peace of mind for me because I do miss a lot of big things. But it's like, how do I make the little moments super special for them too, that those like stick out, you know?

But also don't your kids get to like meet professional baseball players?

Gosh, girls, you have no idea. We had to go over this at spring training with my son. We all had to give him a full lecture. I like, you don't know how lucky you are. This is just a dime a dozen in his world. And my brother was with him at spring training and he got, one of the players gave him a bat that broke during the game. He was just like, I got this bat. And I walked away. My brother was like.

I would have slept with that bat. I would have like, I would have had to collect every one of their cards. I would have done this. So it is funny. It's hard to be like, this is kind of just part of his world, but it's also hard to be like, you need to appreciate it. Yeah, he does get to some pretty cool things. So hopefully one day he'll realize that because right now he's just like, yeah, I'm going to fly across the country to see my mom and go to a game. That's what we do.

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So this is not quite as serious of a question, but it is serious because I need to know what are you packing in your airplane survival pack so that we know like, what are the essentials that you need when you're traveling to and from games?

Oh my gosh, my essentials have grown so much. I got in this like, you know, trying to optimize my health, kick this off season. So I have this pill box that has like all my supplements separated out. And if I'm on a 10 day trip, like it's a lot kind of, and then I started packing like protein shake packs that I can just quickly throw in and then like these protein bars. So it's more like food survival so that I don't get caught eating a bunch of junk, which is inevitable to happen when you're traveling.

So that's part of it. And then I think to have a good moisturizer always, like hand cream moisturizer and face, because those always dry out. And I've been doing a lot of those under eye mask patches. pack those with me too. So I would say those are definitely like my essentials at the moment, which don't sound fun. I need to have a better list of like cool products.

Speaker 1 (45:02.158)
But I'm always looking for tips and tricks for sure. I've gotten it down. I've been better about minimizing my backpack organization. Sometimes you're like, week on for two weeks, I might need that one thing. And it's a lot of I might need that one thing. And that adds up to like 50 pounds right there in your suitcase.

that person for sure. My mom's quote that she has haunted me with for my entire life thus far was, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. And that will haunt me till the day I die.

See, that's hard because mine that I have is from an aunt and she's like, honey, if you don't have it, you can just buy it. And she should check my credit card because I took that a little too much to her, I think. Like you can go in my closet and I can point out every piece of clothing and what city I bought it in because it was probably like mostly from San Francisco. Every coat is from San Francisco because it was July and you always forget it's freezing there and you always buy a new coat.

You can kind of label the pieces with the city. It's an adult version of the match game.

That's great. Okay. So Jenny, in a different video, I heard you tell a story about the woman who was waiting for you at the team bus and said that she'd been waiting for you. Will you just retell that story really quickly? Because I loved that story.

Speaker 1 (46:30.542)
Yeah, last year we were in San Diego, which was a special trip for me always. That's where I started my career. I love going there. A lot of the same, you know, front office workers and like security people are there. So I just like, was feeling really good leaving that series, feeling full of like people who really knew me and got the chance to just kind of, you know, be around them for a bit. And I'm heading to the bus and this lady's calling my name and she's probably in her late 60s, early 70s, I would say. And I,

just kind of walk over and she grabbed both of my arms and she was like, I just wanted to let you know that I've been waiting for 50 years to hear my voice in the game that I love. And that was pretty special because I think I often, and I'm so glad and grateful that I do, often hear it from parents about their little girls that they get to see someone.

and maybe have a chance to grow up and do something that they never dreamed of or whatever. But to hear it from an older woman that maybe feels like she missed out on being born in the wrong generation to do something, but she had the opportunity to tell me that. I really hold that dear to my heart of you're doing this not just for the generations that are coming, but you're doing it for people that didn't have that opportunity or that chance to do it.

Yeah, I love that story. Okay, so we are very aware that you're a busy, busy lady and you have lots to go do today. So we have one more question for you. You're breaking barriers and providing, like we just mentioned, something that wasn't necessarily possible for people in previous generations or they didn't think was possible for them. But what is next for you? I know you just started this job. I'm sure you've thought about it, but what do you think is next? Do you have any goals that you're chasing or?

anything on your vision board that you are excited about.

Speaker 1 (48:25.678)
Yeah, I think we're always thinking about the future, right? Like, how do I get better? How do I do more? All those things. But for me, I truly am trying to be where my feet are right now. It's such a big job and such a space that I really want to grow into. I feel like I'm learning every day. The old like, get 1 % better every day. But trying to just stay present, stay in the moment with the gifts that I've been given now. You know, I'm constantly looking at

things that fill me up. And one of those is a lot with the future generation. I do a lot of things at my alma mater, Colorado State University. I'm the executive in resident there for the president. And so I get involved with kind of different things going on on campus, whether that's mentoring students or teaching classes or just being available and around as they're working on new projects and trying to kind of like further the education system. I'm involved a lot with the athletic department.

So it's kind of cool to think about like what that could provide way down the road. I would love to do broadcasting as long as I possibly can. I'd love to be involved with the game as long as I possibly can. And then continue to just find whatever balance means in our lives of doing that and doing those things I love and also being able to watch our kids grow and be involved in.

you know, their endeavors and who knows what their future holds, is there just seven and four, like what they end up getting into, if it's sports or other things that, you know, we can just follow along and assist with and be a big part of and encourage them in. So yeah, I'm excited for like just whatever that brings. And I think for me too, looking back, like I had such a specific goal when I was in high school to be a football sideline reporter. And I was at one point in my career, but I never even imagined

There was a career in baseball. Nevertheless, I laughed in it for almost two decades and I never dreamed of calling a game. So I don't ever want to put limitations either on my vision board because I just hope that the world continues to stay wide open and I continue to intersect with amazing people who really kind of push me towards new great opportunities.

Speaker 3 (50:37.484)
Shout out Colorado state. lived in Fort Collins for a little while. It's a great place.

Yes! I love that. That's awesome.

Make Fort Collins up and move it more towards like the Midwest where all my family is. I would do that in Heartbleed. You would say that all the time.

It is a wonderful, magical place. And Y is probably always on the top five of small cities.

Yeah, and it's like it truly that should be the Sunshine State. It is sunny all year long.

Speaker 1 (51:04.526)
300 days a year. Yeah

Yeah, it's such a great place to live.

It is.

Well, Jenny, we have loved this interview perhaps more than any other episode. I keep getting something in my eye when you're telling some of these stories. Like about your support system and about how you're just changing the game and about how you're dealing with the really fantastic things we're celebrating, but also the really hard things that you've got to work through and that are not easy.

Thank you.

Speaker 2 (51:38.424)
We just really appreciate your hanging out with us today, being vulnerable and sharing some really cool stuff about your art and also about your background with our listeners. I know that they're going to get so much out of this episode. So just a really big heartfelt thank you for sharing your time and yourself with us today.

Well, thank you. Thank you guys for having a space where working moms can keep it real and be in a, you know, I think that's we live in such a society where everything feels like it can be pretty manufactured, especially when you're on the doom scroll of Instagram. So I'm all about keep it real all the time. Yes. Yes. Thanks for having me guys.

that mom's keeping it real.

Thank you again.

Speaker 2 (52:25.324)
We are on to our final segment of today's episode, which is the She's Got Game highlight. And today we're keeping it on a diamond, but we're switching over to softball. Teryn, what do you know about coach Patty Gasso?

She is one of the most or maybe the most winningest softball coach in history. She coaches at Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah. I know that she's got an insane record. Her son also coaches at Arkansas.

Yeah, both of her sons and her husband all coach softball. Yeah. Whoa. Are or have recently. Okay. Yeah, it is a softball forward family. Coach Patty Gasso. Wow. There's so much here. I tried to find a way to kind of break this out and organize it. And this is what I arrived at. We're going to go through Coach Patty Gasso's coaching clinic for life.

No.

So like five lessons that coach Patty Gasso could teach us. And the first one is don't wait for the invite, just knock anyway. So coach Gasso's coaching is super personal. This has come up a couple of times today, but she was raised by a really powerful mom who was just born in the wrong generation. She was an older mom. She was really athletic, loved coaching, but just didn't...

Speaker 2 (54:01.868)
have the opportunity to. So her mom coached Patty in like every sport, flag football, softball, all the different things. Patty was always outside spending time with her mom playing sports. Super cool. She said, and I quote, my mom would have been a great coach if she'd been born in another time. So Patty got to see some really strong female leadership from a very young age. So she played softball when she was in college, when she graduated, she's from LA.

She coached just a little junior college team, I think, in LA, in or around LA. So she didn't start out at a really powerhouse institution, but after a couple of years coaching in that environment, she got hired to coach at Oklahoma University, the Sooners. And back then, that softball program was either brand new or pretty much brand new. It was not established. It was not prestigious. And she says the struggle was real. The coach that

all the players had wanted to be selected as the new coach was not Patty. And these players were not happy about that. So Patty held her first team meeting with her new team like, hooray, rah, rah. And only six players actually showed up. Yeah. mean, talk about a punch in the gut. She said they basically went on strike.

So, know, Coach Gasso has built now a culture based on persistence, based on connection. And she says the way that she did this early on after the players were on strike and only six showed up, is she looked for the quote unquote cool kids. And I think probably we can all figure out what this means, but she basically looked around and tried to figure out of this team that she inherited, who were the quiet or maybe not so quiet leaders, who were the cool kids?

that she needed to really, you know, rub elbows with and get them to like her. Cause then hopefully the others would follow suit. So she got in with the cool kids and that really helped her sort of drive and create the culture. And then she said too, then it was more like having instead of just one coach herself, she basically had four coaches because she had, you know, these other players who were sort of helping to bring the others along. So that was really helpful. Even still for the first couple of years at Oklahoma, you know, it's such a chicken egg thing.

Speaker 2 (56:19.974)
in collegiate sports because to recruit the best players, your team has to be doing well, but it's hard for your team to do well until you have really good players. So she said that starting out, it was really, really hard to recruit good players, but you'll kind of hear this a couple of times in the next few minutes. Homegirl loves a challenge. Homegirl loves to be the underdog. She loves to face down hard things. So she would still recruit the top players.

She would make the phone calls, she would do the home visits, and she basically said that she would make these top players tell her no. And eventually she did get a break, right? I'm not gonna just bow out here. I will relentlessly pursue you and I will make you tell me to my face no. But until then, here I am calling you and talking to you. And it did work out eventually. She got this picture, I can't remember the name, some picture.

You. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:15.574)
Back in the late 90s who did say yes, just liked the culture, liked what Coach Gasso was about and it sort of snowballed from there. So she got kind of a lucky break and things started to happen. She talked early on about, you getting this first pitcher, how she was finally looking around and thinking to herself, she's got women on her team. The girls that were on her team when she first started out, they were girls and she would see other teams they would play and think to herself, those are women.

So that's sort of how she recruited to. She was looking for maturity and culture. Lesson number two, when they call you Paula, make them remember Patty. Okay, so it is her first game as the head coach of the Oklahoma University Sooners. She is facing Texas A and the coach of the A team is pretty solid. He's won at least one championship, know, pretty good coach, well known. Okay, so this A coach,

meets coach Patty at home plate and immediately the coach starts addressing the umpire like Patty's not even standing there. This coach and the umpire have this back and forth conversation and Patty's still just standing there. At the end of this conversation, the coach of A turns to Patty and says, well, good luck Paula and walks away. Doesn't even know her name. What does coach Patty

think about this, instead of feeling like, I'm never going to make it. my gosh, he didn't remember my name. That's so embarrassing. She says that that moment lit a fire in her more than almost any other moment in those early years. And what has that fire led to? Like you said, the most winningest coach in all of NCAA softball history. To be specific, she has in the last

34-ish years, won eight national titles, 2000, 2013, 16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24. For those of you keeping score at home, the last four years, she has done a four-peat that has never happened before in women's softball. She's also turned out 84 All-American athletes.

Speaker 3 (59:33.422)
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:38.528)
a bunch of academic awards. doesn't just care about the player on the field. She's also really supporting them off the field as well. Lesson number three, sustained excellence takes adaptability. This was one of the biggest questions I had about her when I started learning about coach Patty Gasso. To win, it's not like there's no other really talented softball teams in the country. It's really competitive, especially in the SEC. went to

University of Arkansas and baseball and softball were really big. Florida baseball, softball really, really big. So how can one single team, one single coach, one single program win four years in a row? And she talked about how in her 34-ish years as head coach, she's really had to evolve. Yes, NIL, yes, all of these very recent things that are hitting players.

but she talked about the mental health side of things and about how players are just juggling a lot more than they used to. When she first started, player would play the game, crush it or not, get off the field, shake the hand, hydrate, and then maybe go do some classes and think about the next game. But now they do all that and they've got to think about sponsorships and meetings and excelling and achieving and all these other things. Social media. my gosh, huge.

So she says that she has evolved with the team. She does one-on-one dinners with them. She really listens. She wants to know them off the field, has these conversations. She also, again, going back to recruiting, she recruits the right players, the ones that are confident, but not cocky. If they're shy, they might not be able to keep up in a really demanding program like this. If they're cocky, then they might not have the self-awareness to be able to be on the team, be a leader.

One of the thing I wanna mention in this excellence takes adaptability category is how strongly coach Gasso is rooted in her faith. It is a huge part of her life and also the culture that she creates within the softball team. Her faith is Christianity. It's not like you must be a Christian to be a member of the team, but it is definitely something that you hear about connected to this team.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04.128)
And I think also one of the things that has made them so excellent for so long is their ability to have faith, their ability to overcome adversity, by leaning on their faith. It's really fascinating to hear some of the stories. One of the ones that hit me the most was talking about after a really big game, might've been softball, college world series, time, and they had

either just crushed Texas or gotten crushed by Texas. And Coach Gasso said that she was really curious to see what would happen at the end of the game. The two teams were sort of used to whoever wanted to participate sort of, you know, coming together and, you know, giving thanks sort of thing. She was really interested to see what would happen after this one particular, you know, very heated game with a heated rival. And both teams came together. Yes, we're wearing different colored jerseys.

but this is one thing that unites us all. So I think that's another sort of element of what makes the Sooners and this culture that Coach Gasso has created really unique and meaningful. Okay, I've got two lessons left and they're shorter. Lesson four is demand what you are worth. So yes, Coach Gasso has broken records in terms of wins and trophies. She is also the highest paid

coach in college softball. Boop, boop, snap, snap, snap. but listen to this. She makes 1.6 million. However, Oklahoma University pays her $300,000 in her base salary and then private donors pay another 800 and something thousand dollars. There are enough donors, there are enough wealthy supporters and lovers of sooner softball.

know, that want to be able to support this coach and support the team. So I thought that was really a fascinating setup. She also gets a bonus if she wins a national title, which happens like three out of four years, it seems like. Yeah. So changed the game and then she got paid for it, which is fantastic. So my last lesson from Coach Gasso is this, walk off while you're still at the top. So she's won four in a row, eight overall.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23.938)
in the last 30-ish years. And she just announced her upcoming retirement from Sooners Softball, but not from Softball. She is going to move over to be the coach of Team USA. yeah, you know, what's really interesting is that they hire these coaches for four year periods, which makes total sense because this coach is going to see a specific group of women through the Olympics. So you'll see coach Gasso.

in the dugout at the LA 2028 Summer Olympics. So her story with the Sooners is coming to a really amazing and impressive end, but her story on the softball diamond is nowhere near the end, let's say. So for these reasons and many, many more are why we have chosen to spotlight coach Patty Gasso in all her various

meaningful achievements in today's She's Got Game Spotlight.

Okay, what an amazing conversation today with an amazingly inspiring woman, Jenny Kavanagh. So grateful to Jenny for taking the time out to join us today. What an amazing interview. So that's a wrap on today's episode. Again, huge thanks to Jenny for sharing her groundbreaking journey in MLB broadcasting. Her story is absolutely proof that breaking barriers starts with just a single step.

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