036: Adjusted for Greatness – Chiropractic Secrets from Women’s Pro Sports

What do pro softball pitchers and volleyball players have in common? Intense stress on their bodies—and a chiropractor who helps them bounce back. Dr. Jennie, team chiropractor for the Madison Night Mares and LOVB volleyball, reveals how adjustments, recovery hacks, and sport-specific care give athletes an edge. Plus, she breaks down what active women—whether you’re running, lifting, or chasing kids—can learn from the pros to stay strong and pain-free. 

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Chapters

• 00:00 - Chiropractic Beginnings: Adjusting to Life
• 05:30 - Sports and Spines: A Match Made in Heaven
• 12:15 - Team Dynamics
• 18:45 - Locker Room Vibes: Music, TikToks, and Adjustments
• 25:00 - Pregnancy and Chiropractic
• 30:00 - Chiropractic Myths: Cracking the Code

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Speaker 2 (00:00.098)
general when it comes to chiropractic care, I always like people to find somebody that's gonna either get you out of pain with your symptoms that you're having now or that want to help you like long-term and educate you on chiropractic care and then what to do to prevent it in the future too. I'm not somebody who just wants to, you know, adjust you and let you go. I will adjust you and get you better but I tell people I don't want to see you back here in two weeks. If I don't see you, I know you're doing much better. That's a good thing.

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Speaker 1 (00:56.824)
Today, we are excited to welcome Dr. Jenny Volz, the official team chiropractor for the Madison Nightmares softball team and Madison Love Pro Volleyball team. She's a chiropractor at LSM Chiropractic here in Madison, specializing in prenatal care and treating patients of all ages. A Wisconsin native, she's passionate about keeping athletes performing at their best and helping families stay active and healthy as well.

We cannot wait to dive into this conversation. So without further ado, Dr. Jenny, what inspired you to become a chiropractor and how did you get into sports chiropractic?

so when I first got into chiropractic, it was actually in my undergrad years. Now I did go to a chiropractor in middle school and it was actually with LSM at the location, like the clinic that I'm at now, which is pretty cool to like be working back where I first came. but when I, when I was in undergrad, I really wanted to look into physical therapy cause I had that when I was in high school too, but I wasn't a hundred percent about it. So I took a class on different careers within the healthcare.

area and you've got to like job shadow different careers. So I job shadowed a chiropractor and when I did so people were coming in for pain, different complaints in different areas. But one of his patients came in specifically once a month maintenance and I thought that was cool. I wasn't used to that kind of thing. I thought it was just for pain. But then she mentioned that one day she was sick.

and she'd been sick for like three weeks and she couldn't get any better. And he just saw her in the hallway of the building and mentioned, hey, why don't you come try chiropractic? I'll adjust you once. Let me know next week how you're feeling, if you're any better or not. And we'll go from there. And she said after one adjustment, her sickness went away completely. And I thought that was fascinating. I had no idea that chiropractic was more than just for pain. So I just, ever since then, I just dove deeper into chiropractic and have fallen more and more in love with it. Now,

Speaker 2 (03:03.02)
I grew up playing sports my whole life, soccer, played a little basketball, volleyball, tiny bit of softball. I played rugby in grad school. So I love sports altogether and I've been injured many times. So that's what kind of got me looking into physical therapy too. But yeah, ever since working in the chiropractic world, I've been able to work with athletes more and more and more years into it. just...

fell more in love with working with different types of injuries. And being that I've played sports before too, I felt like I could have more of a connection and understanding of what they were going through. And that just made me want to work more with a team setting at the same time, because I can work with individuals here and there through my clinic, but being able to work with multiple of them at the same time and help them before a game or something, I just really enjoyed that a lot.

When you were personally an athlete, did you have any nicknames?

high school and undergrad I did. So I'm married now but my previous last name was Humphrey and my first name is Jenny so they called me Jay Humps.

No.

Speaker 2 (04:11.014)
Um, but nowadays... Yeah, yeah, probably nowadays not really too many nicknames. So I won't play with that though.

So complimentary.

Speaker 1 (04:19.79)
Okay. We'll continue to call you Dr. Jennie though for this episode at least.

Wow, you are quite the athlete. Lots of sports. What is it like working as the team chiropractor for the Madison Nightmares and Madison Love volleyball team? mean, you've got to see so many different things.

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Speaker 2 (04:41.998)
Yeah, I was gonna say, I've worked with them both now for the past year or so, and they're both in different levels. The nightmares are college, love is professional, and they're all two different age groups too. So it's really cool working with a college level, they're still kind of, they know their sport, they know what they're doing, but they're kind of still developing their bodies, aging, they haven't had as many injuries.

And now working with like a professional team, they know their body. They've had more injuries. They're a little deeper, I would say, with injury areas that I treat, which is fun. Like I like going a little deeper. Both have been super fun. It's great to get to know them in general and just being able to connect with the team. enjoy both of them.

feel like working with, I mean, adult, I mean, they're all adults, but like older women are, they're like, I know this is the problem. I need you to fix this. How's that dynamic with like a woman who's like, I know my body, I know what I need. You know, does that help? Does that hurt in that situation? Or how does that, how do you handle that as a chiropractor?

I think it can help in some ways because I haven't treated them through their whole career. So they know their bodies to some extent more than I do. But as I get to treating them, I kind of have the chiropractic view of what's going on and they have their history of what they've been told is wrong and what they've gone through. So it's kind of like we work together with that. And specifically, like some injuries, I might not

be treating that in particular. They'll be like, I have this. I'm like, okay, well, let's do an adjustment here and here. That'll help take pressure off that area kind of thing. So I don't think it technically hurts it, but I think it can help it. And it's like teamwork with each other in a way.

Speaker 3 (06:35.406)
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So we know, obviously, just from looking at the movements, softball pitchers, for example, have completely different throwing mechanics compared to baseball pitchers and volleyball players put a ton of stress on their shoulders, their knees. How do you take what you know personally about sports and sort of maybe somebody who's not experiencing pain, but just somebody on the team that you want to keep in alignment and keep healthy? How do you use your knowledge of sports to best help the athletes?

That's a good question. With experience of that, I kind of know what those repetitive motions can cause and create kind of some chronic issues within that area. So certain areas that they are weaker on, certain areas that they're stronger on and kind of showing them what they need to do in the gym to strengthen those areas and what they need to lay off on a little bit to help just their swing in general. But each athlete is different with that too. know, swinging.

volleyball is different than throwing a softball. But in general with those joints in those areas where we adjust, they can cause the same misalignment. So sometimes I will treat them the same way just depending on that patient, that athlete in general.

Speaker 1 (08:24.458)
What is for softball, what is the number one most popular popular? say that like everybody's like, you know, Jonesing for it, but what is the injury or the complaint that you see most often for softball and for volleyball?

as say this season, since I'm treating them right now volleyball, I would probably say shoulder, all the swinging, like the rotation within the shoulder. It also like I treat a lot of spine in general most often, but their shoulders get locked up. But then it causes that rotation within the thoracic spine too. So I'm working with a lot of tension throughout the spine rotation. So loosening that up and reducing the restriction in there.

I'd say with softball, it can be the same sometimes because of the throw. But also, I feel... I'm treating them again this summer. But last summer, I had a lot of neck complaints and upper back complaints. So tension throughout the neck, upper back, which I think can be a lot with the shoulder. But I mean, they dive, they throw, they swing. So I think that all involves... starts from the thoracic cage, that mid back and up in general, So I feel like those are the biggest, most popular.

areas that I kind of treated.

I'm like sitting up straighter as I feel. Well, I, I played volleyball and softball growing up and I can attest my shoulder. I still like doing like a lateral arm raise. I, my shoulder still pops from that. I I should probably go see a chiropractor.

Speaker 1 (09:54.158)
Make an appointment.

really probably should. All right, so can you walk us through what a typical session looks like when you're working with an athlete? You can say general or you can say specifically with the different sports.

Yeah. So if I've never treated them before, I first kind of ask, you had chiropractic care? It can be different. It can be strange. It can be unusual. So I always like to know ahead of time if they had it before. If they haven't experienced it, like I want to explain it to them so that nothing surprises them. And then it can also go through the process with them. I like to explain what I'm doing so they can understand their body better and understand chiropractic care better with it too. If they've had it before, I kind of ask anything surgery wise, any trauma.

anything I need to know about or areas to stay away from. Typically, like with volleyball, the athletic trainer, she's awesome. She like will let me know ahead of time, like, hey, she has a sprain here or she has this going on here, but let's work over here. She's locked up on the SI joint on the right side. We really want to get that motioning better. So that's kind of know where to work in general. Then, yeah, I have them lay down. I kind of look at the area, evaluate, palpate.

I'll do an adjustment, I'll do some soft tissue work. Same thing with volleyball, like to let them know ahead of time, have you had chiropractic care? I can explain it to them if they haven't. And then work with the adjustment, do a little soft tissue work. The athletic trainers too also do a lot of soft tissue work and mobilization. So don't go overboard in that area, but I can do some depending on what's needed. And if the athletic trainer asks me to do some. So, and then I might tell them like, this is pretty locked up, it's moving nicely now.

Speaker 2 (11:36.812)
but I'll be in next week. Don't be afraid to see me again.

Yeah. It's kind of nice that you have like a partner in that, right? Two people to be able to say, Hey, we're working on this and now we worked on this and you can kind of work back and forth. It's like almost the three, the triangle of success between the athlete and athletic trainer and you. I was wondering, are you seeing all of the girls every single week or are you seeing them as needed or you know, what's the schedule look like for people? Do they get to see you just if they want to? How does that work?

So, softball and volleyball, their seasons and how we treat them are a little bit differently. With softball, I head over before their game, like an hour or so before, meet them in the locker room. Whoever wants to get adjusted just comes up to me. A lot of them get work done by the athletic trainer and then they might come over to me right afterwards or they might just wait for me. But I never know really like how many that day. It can be two, it could be 15, just depends. With volleyball, I treat them

This season I'm treating them like once a week. They're always welcome to come into my clinic if they need it more. But I'll treat them once a week. I typically go over after I work on Thursdays, go treat them at their facility. And same thing with them. I don't treat every single member on that team, but I'll treat whoever needs it. They'll sometimes set up appointments and let me know ahead of time like, you'll have two today or you have five. You might have eight or nine today. One might come later. So it just depends on you today, but...

It can vary, but not every single person on the team will get adjusted every day.

Speaker 3 (13:14.102)
Yeah, but if they wanted to, they could.

Yeah. yeah. I'm more than happy to treat anybody.

because that takes like five minutes.

Yeah, it depends on each person. I get chatty with them too, so sometimes it takes a little longer. But it could be five, it could be 15. It's usually not more than that though.

Sure, that makes sense. I'm just thinking like right before a game, I would love to get a nice adjustment. I would use that every time.

Speaker 2 (13:38.83)
Yeah, when I played rugby in grad school, we'd get adjusted like within 24 hours before the game. And then a lot of us would get adjusted right after the game too, just because how much impact and how physical it is, like it's beneficial.

Totally.

Dr. Jenny quick glossary check. You've said thoracic spine and SI joint. Will you just super fast breakdown where in the body those are?

Yeah, so your thoracic spine is like your mid back area. There's 12 vertebrae, but it starts at the bottom of the neck and then it ends mid to low back, kind like your shoulder blade areas, the generalized thoracic area. And then SI joint. So people might say they're hip when they say they have pain in their hip, but on your back, you have these two bones present back here and it's part of your pelvis. You have two iliums, you have the sacrum in the middle.

But the SI joints are the sacrum and ilium connecting, so sacroiliac joint.

Speaker 1 (14:36.088)
Hence, S slash I.

Yes. Yeah. So I like to explain that to people so they can understand pelvis in general better.

Wow

Speaker 1 (14:45.144)
Yeah, that makes total sense. Okay, the next totally not anatomically related question. I'm dying to know what is the vibe in the locker rooms one hour prior? I imagine it kind of depends on, you know, if it's a big game or not, but are these women sort of like chill and quiet or are they jacked up and, you know, like chest bumping and music? Yeah.

I was say, don't really watch them too much so they could be chest bumping, but I don't know for sure. But I love the Nightmares, they're super fun. I hear them chatty. I've seen them make TikTok videos. But they always have really good music playing, like blasting. And one of them told me that one of the other teams said like, wow, you guys, this team is really fun. So they definitely have fun before their game.

the way they amp themselves up before a game, which I love. I think that's great to do before a game.

It's like you have to do a softball because it's such a slow paced game. You got to get yourself pumped up.

Oh yeah. And it's summertime. It can feel slow. They're not in school at that time. Like, they want to have fun.

Speaker 3 (15:50.03)
That's great.

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Okay, so we often hear about recovery strategies. We're talking about after the game. You mentioned a little bit about that. So things like ice baths, stretching, massage therapy, all those things. Where does your chiropractic care fit into the athlete's overall recovery plan? I know you mentioned that you are usually there in case they need it, but how in general do you find that athletes are utilizing chiropractic care for post game?

I think it's really beneficial after a game to get adjusted. You're putting your body through this hard, how many hours of activity you might have impact. You might, you know, slide on the ground. You might fall on a hip and causing that restriction, areas, joints to lock up and not getting that fixed right away can cause a lot of muscle imbalance, pinching on nerves, inflammation in those areas. So getting adjusted afterwards can definitely help.

reduce any kind risk of injury afterwards or prolonged symptoms of something happening. athletes typically that I see in clinic often will come right after a game, right before game two. With softball and volleyball, it's not as convenient to like come to the clinic, but it's always an option. I just don't see it happen as often, but

Speaker 2 (17:52.576)
Usually like if I treat an Edgewood player or a UW player, because my clinic is really close to that, they'll get treated right afterwards. And typically with athletes, like one I saw today, I told her afterwards, sure you take care of that area. I used to stretch it out a bit after the game. So I'll always give them recommendations because those are always great ways to recover.

And since most of our listeners here are not athletes like this, how does this relate to, know, a lot of our listeners, they run marathons or do triathlons or do some kind of tough mudder. have some friends that are going to do that. Like, does this sort of relate to that too? mean, should we be recommending that, you know, after you do some strenuous long-term or different activity than you're normally used to, you should probably go get your body.

realigned and readjusted? I'm sure I know the answer to this question. Set you right up.

I will always tell somebody who's doing a marathon a 5k at 10k I'll see him I'm like, oh, let me see you like the week before and let's see you right afterwards just to get you back in line and make sure everything's feeling okay any kind of big athletic activity even if you're like doing a 5k and you haven't done one in a couple weeks maybe a 5k isn't major to somebody who usually does 10ks and marathons but for somebody who's not usually doing them or

It's been a while. It's good to get adjusted afterwards. It's something your body's not used to. But any kind of longer run, any kind of big swim, getting adjusted afterwards can definitely help anybody in those situations.

Speaker 3 (19:31.246)
Yeah, I think about like just running on different type of pavement than you're used to or different, you know, region maybe.

sidewalks or gravel, like they all can influence the body in different ways.

That's really good.

Dr. Jenny, do you have a success story? And it might be a pro athlete or it might be a prenatal woman or anyone. Do you have a story about somebody who came to you in a lot of pain, discomfort, and you were able to really work with them to get them back doing their daily activities? I'm imagining again that we're setting you up for a layup here, but hopefully it's most of your clients, but maybe somebody who was a little bit more interesting or extreme than your general patient.

I have one athlete that she's super awesome, love working with her. One thing with her is that she's hypermobile. So with hypermobility, you kind of have to be more careful with adjustments. A lot of hypermobility, they can be more sensitive to adjustments too. So there's many different techniques of adjustments that you can use. With her, my techniques have worked good. So we just continue to do the same techniques. But with her and this volleyball,

Speaker 2 (20:41.804)
With her in swinging, it has caused a lot of rotation within her spine. And with her hypermobility, it kind of, and she has like a small scoliosis in her spine. And scoliosis is like a sideways curvature of the spine. And because she has that plus the rotation, it causes her spine to really lock up from, and have an imbalance muscle-wise from side to side. She was one of the first ones I kind of worked with in the beginning, because I don't think she had chiropractic care for a while.

now that they were like pre-season. So she worked with an athletic trainer who tried to work a lot of soft tissue on her. But the player could tell she needed more chiropractic care to really help the joints have more mobility and loosen things up. So with her, it was awesome to work with her. After one or two adjustments, she just noticed such an improvement. She didn't have any sharp pain in that mid back or low back. She had so much more rotation. She felt the pressure off her low back just with the swing and impact. So I'll treat her.

every so often throughout the season now too, just to keep that mobility within the joints and then that curvature to kind of stabilize.

Question, is hypermobility mean like she can like, it's, can you explain that? I'm thinking like you can overstretch your arms. Like, you know, I'm thinking like our fingers bend back really far. Is that what I'm getting that right?

Hypermobility can, like someone could bend their finger all the way back. It's not always those kinds of patients. But their soft tissue, their joints can go further with stretching than they should, which can cause a lot of issues with joint pain and everything and stability within those joints.

Speaker 3 (22:19.192)
I figured that's what it was, but I just wanted to confirm.

like how much can she stretch?

Is she Gumby?

No, I love that story. And like with pregnancy, I love treating pregnancies. One of my most, one of my favorite ones was a patient a couple years ago. She was having twins and both A, should we call them twin A and twin B, they were both breech. And we just needed twin A, which was lowered down to flip. And chiropractic wise, we don't flip babies.

I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (22:55.614)
But we adjust the pelvis and we create more room within the room so that the baby can naturally move itself. Other things can cause restriction in there like fluid, cord getting in the way. Just other things, less mobility. But with her we were able to, with chiropractic care, stretching and everything and exercises she was doing at home, baby A was able to flip and she was able to have a normal vaginal birth for both twins.

So I love that she sent me a card like six months later, cause they moved to Michigan and she was so happy and she sent me a picture of them. They were adorable. So I love that one.

I had no idea.

Yeah.

our friend who's having twins immediately.

Speaker 2 (23:40.942)
Okay, that was pretty cool.

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What, man, I wish we would have had this conversation 11 years ago. So you would been around when I had my babies. tell me like other, what are other ways that chiropractic care can help both prenatal and postnatal as well? Like what are some of the common complaints that people have on both ends of that spectrum and how do you help?

Yeah, a lot of times beforehand during pregnancy, low back pain. One of the most common ones in general. Chiropractic care. Release the pressure on the joints, reduce the muscle tension. Takes a lot of the pain away. It'll take pressure off that nerve that might be being pinched or irritated. Crate mobility too. You have this belly on your stomach. You can't move as well. You can't rotate. Less comfortability. Causes sleeping issues. Exercises harder. So...

Having less muscle tension, more mobility will create better range of motion in general. You'll be able to move around better. Exercise will feel a little bit more comfortable in general. And just educating your body on exercise, mobility, posture in general. feel like chiropractic, yes, we adjust, we treat. But my thing is let's help you at home too. What can you do at home that can also help you that you don't realize could be hindering on your symptoms?

be influencing them. So I like to show things they can do at home too. So that's a lot of things you can do before giving birth. And then it also taking the pressure off that pelvis in general can help a lot during labor. People don't realize if that pelvis is locked up, those joints aren't motioning well, labor can be harder too. So creating a little bit more mobility will take a lot of pressure off that. Have a smoother birth in general.

Speaker 2 (26:06.424)
And then afterwards, any of my pregnant patients, I always mention it to them, getting adjusted right afterwards. It's like a sporting event. It's traumatic. It's hard on you. I also mentioned that it's hard on your baby, your newborn, no matter how they are birthed. It's a traumatic event for them. And those first two years after birth is like the biggest development stage for them. So I always tell them, bring them in once, get them adjusted.

just to see if there's any misalignment that could be influencing things further on for them. And if they're doing well, cool. That's awesome. Happy to hear that. They can come in every six months, year. But also when things are restricted in the spine for newborns, toddlers, it can cause colic, bowel movement issues, sleeping issues, latching issues. Yeah, many different things. It can cause restriction in head movement, leg movement and everything.

So I always like to educate my pregnant patients on that stuff just so they're aware.

How early can you see a newborn and like feel around immediately?

Yeah, mean when they are born in a hospital, there's probably some restriction like within a hospital to form adjustments, but as soon as they come out they can be adjusted. I think my earliest so far has been five days. And I always let people know because people might watch chiropractic videos or have gotten chiropractic care themselves. Newborns are not adjusted that way. It's such a light pressure with just either tip of finger.

Speaker 2 (27:43.444)
couple fingers but it's just a pressure. You won't hear any cavitation sounds which is that cracking or popping sound. And it's so gentle. A lot of times parents don't even know I'm adjusting them at the time. I'm just kind of talking to them doing some motions and they're like, okay that's not what I thought. Yeah.

This is blowing my mind.

I'm like, I need to make an appointment for my son. Okay, I feel like that's a really good lead into this next question I have for you. So if someone's never seen a chiropractor before or had chiropractic care and they think it's just cracking backs, what should they look for in a provider? So two questions. One is, you know, I believe in chiropractic care. I've had it growing up my whole life. And I know some people think it's kooky medicine or whatever, right? But like,

Seriously.

Speaker 3 (28:33.344)
What should you be looking for so that you're not getting like taken advantage of by someone? And secondly, you know, what are some things that they should expect from a good chiropractor?

Yeah, for sure. One thing I always tell people is find the right provider for you. No matter what kind of field, chiropractic, physical therapy, your primary care, find somebody who listens to you, who you can connect with, who can help you understand how they're going to help you and how they explain things. Usually you can feel that vibe. You can connect with them on that first visit. And I tell people, if you don't feel that, find another one. Every profession has

what people you may connect with or not. Just because you don't connect with one or you don't think one is going to help you. If you don't feel comfortable, try another one. Don't give up on that whole profession in general. That's my one thing I always tell people. But in general, when it comes to chiropractic care, I always like people to find somebody that's going to either get you out of pain with your symptoms that you're having now or that want to help you like long term.

general and educate you on chiropractic care and then what to do to prevent it in the future too. I'm not somebody who just wants to, you know, adjust you and let you go. I will adjust you and get you better, but I want, I tell people I don't want to see you back here in two weeks. Like, I want you body to stabilize. If I don't see you, I know you're doing much better and that's a good thing. If I see you again, it's fine. I'll see you. We'll get you better.

But it's good when I don't see somebody for a while. They're taking care of themselves, they're listening, they're doing exercises at home, they're working on their posture. And those are things I think any like physical therapist or chiropractor, massage therapist should like try to do in general with their practice.

Speaker 1 (30:22.85)
So Dr. Jenny, one last question. If you had to sort of summarize one of the things that we've talked about today and kind of condense it into one thing that you wish everyone, especially active women out there knew about chiropractic care, what would that one thing be?

That's a good question. Now, my one thing would be probably that chiropractic can help every person. Some people might say, I tried chiropractic here. It didn't work for me. They might have not been to the right person. They might have not had the right technique. It can help with so many different things. And some people are like, I'm not in pain. I don't need chiropractic here. But they don't realize a lot of times I have people say, if you go to a chiropractor, you have to keep going back.

And I tell people you don't have to keep going back. But once you get chiropractic care, you realize how your body could and should feel at its optimal place. You know, you feel reduction in tension. You feel less pain. You feel more mobility. But you might not have had pain. You might have not felt that you had a restriction in motion. But when you get adjusted to get chiropractic care, you're like, whoa, that's a lot better. So I think chiropractic care can be for every single individual. You just have to have the right provider.

get the right technique for you and it can benefit anybody, especially athletes, anybody who's active, but also people who just sit at desk all day, nine to five jobs, like.

People who have 40 pound children.

Speaker 2 (31:55.414)
I'm like, it can benefit every single person.

You're talking to the right people here.

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Sitting at a desk and picking up a large toddler.

Yeah. And I tell people, just give it a try once or twice. After that, typically people are like, okay, I, yeah. And a lot of times, like, wives will be like, I'm trying to get my husband in. I'm like, don't nag him. Eventually they'll come in, but keep mentioning it. And then when they do come in, you can tell they're like, yeah, I need to come in, I think. And they have to adjust them in. And then they come back. They're like, yeah, that felt good. Yeah. And then they keep coming back when they need it.

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Sounds familiar. Well, Dr. Jenny, we have loved this conversation, learned so much from you. I cannot wait, you know, being here located in Madison to see some love volleyball and Madison Nightmares games this year. But we just really appreciate your taking the time to chat with us and we hope you have a lovely rest of your day. Thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you guys. It was great to talk to you. Have a good day. You too.

And that's a wrap on this episode of Almost Fans. Huge thanks to Dr. Jenny for keeping pro athletes aligned and giving the rest of us hope that our rec league backs might still stand a chance. If you liked this episode, please leave us a review. We read them all. It helps more Almost Fans find us and honestly, it just makes our day. Thanks again for joining us and catch you next time, Almost Fans.