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Change Is Constant

• Vince Santini • Episode 7

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The discussion covers various aspects of modern cattle breeding. Key topics include Vince's experience with misplaced notes, the importance of honest marketing, particularly regarding photos of livestock, and the challenges of adjusted birth weights, especially regarding heifers. The conversation also highlights different breeding goals among ranchers, the impact of environmental variables, and the evolving industry standards that make consistency difficult. The participants also touch upon the impact of feeding practices and the longevity of cattle, emphasizing the need to consider the end consumer and sustainable breeding practices. There is also a discussion about merchandise related to their podcast and a humorous commercial for 'Cattle Snapshots Inc.'

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Whew.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

back.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Wanna

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

back again.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

hand?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What do you got, Joe?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I have, this is my work one. I got two, so I have a work one and a dress one. Brook Angus Annual production sale. What version is this? What volume?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Speaking,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

you know what

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

speaking of volume, you're quiet again,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah, get closer.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

That's because I'm not yelling. I need to yell and stay right on top of

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

but don't yell too loud'cause I'm pretty sensitive.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So, oh my God. I was showing Tanner.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

been flipping through this thing for about five minutes. I just got it in my hand,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So, you know, you were saying you got a work one and a nice one. was showing Tanner Clark around yesterday. He, he came over and wanted to look at stuff and I was going through and I was like, where are my notes? And I got to looking and I wrote on the back Vinny truck, and it wasn't in my truck. had hijacked

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Ooh.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

book with my notes in it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Who did it? Jo, Josh King, maybe?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

That son of a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So you'll know. You'll know. Sale day. You'll know

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

it ended up,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

take

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I got no, Elmore didn't take it. I got to digging around and somebody had shoved it in a, um, you know, those clipboards that opened and you can put papers in them.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

shoved it in there. There was

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you found it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

that stupid clipboard.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So you found it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I did find it and I was happy after

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Does it have, does it have secrets in it?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I panicked. Yes, it's got secrets. It's, it is stuff like Joe said, this cow sucks. Corbin would love this cow. Things like that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

is the bull that Vince should have kept for his own program and is waiting for his friends to provide some sort of validation?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

tell you what's gonna happen with that bull. He is only gonna sell 50% and I'm gonna keep half of him.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Whoa, this is breaking news. This isn't even on the text throne.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Amy can put in one of those.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Morse code. So here's what we're doing. We're doing, we're naming him breaking news. Even though, even though

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

have

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

know, even though there's a brewing breaking news,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a catchphrase.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you want to, it, it, he wasn't good enough that we can't recycle that name. Joe. He's he's, he's very, he's very, um, yeah. So for those of you out there that are thinking of naming your next herd, si breaking news is, is available

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

is not available.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

a bull name? A bull of mine? The name's available. You can use it. So

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Raven?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah, use it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Roadblock, uh, stockade panel.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Use it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I'm not using. Those are your bulls names.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

But like in 10 years you can use them.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

ringer off.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Did y'all hear

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you want to know who's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

heard it. Was it? Was that a duck?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

He's about to have, you know how, you know you're about to have a banging sales when you're getting calls at 8:07 PM on a Friday night?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I know he's gonna go to a internet reservation platform because he has too many people pulling in

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

You might need to get a burner phone just for talking to your friends.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Uh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

one. Has your nephew Eric Tomer been there yet?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Tuma. about Tuma being my nephew and y'all didn't even know

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I, I st but I don't know. Like

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I told you so he said it. He announced it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It's not as organic this time.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

when we asked about it. I don't, I still don't. Do you know for sure Corbin?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I know it's not organic. As organic this time as it was the first time we talked about it,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

matter if it's organic or not, it needed to be said.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

so, so.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

organic at the Shady Brook. I'll tell you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Nothing organic.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

on speed dial.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince, Vince has two four D coming out his pores right now.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

see, is this,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

He

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

why I'm so shiny and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. He's fried his hair off. You might have got,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

how about a, is, is tuber really your nephew? I really want to know this.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

He's yeah. Long distance nephew.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

That's on Amy's side.'cause he don't look nothing

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

does he call you Uncle Vince?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Uncle Vince.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Uncle Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Uncle, uncle Vinny.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Uncle V.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

is not my damn nephew.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Uncle v.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I'm seriously surprised. I thought I. I mean, for our listeners, I called these guys. I was like, I, I actually called Corbin first. I said, how about Tomer is actually Vince's nephew? Because he called him my Uncle Vince's sale.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I wish he was. That would be cool.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

well, it was a lot cooler until Vince said he wasn't.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

then that would me

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

through, uh, this deal. He bought a cow, but he bought a cow because, uh, he found out about us on the, through the podcast stuff.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

through what podcast.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Then he wrote our intro and our outro

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yep. Because he's the man.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

in your family

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Did, did anybody even say Welcome to the round the shoot?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Welcome to around the shoot. We're only five minutes and 27 seconds in. Please, please, for the love of Pete, tell me we don't have to start over again.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No, we're not starting over, baby.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

is it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

time. This is like a TracFone Corbin. It's seriously, do you remember the TracFones?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yes.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

only have so many minutes, or it's going to cha-ching my credit card again. And even if we don't save them through D script, it uses them up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Are you serious?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah. We gotta buy minutes at like

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh my God. Well, it ain't worth buying minutes because the platform is so screwed up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Hey D script. You de suck.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

It's not dscr,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Who is it?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

cast. Squad

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

the same thing, Vince. Whenever we log in, it says squad cast, d script. Descrip is the parent company.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

if we change from squad cast to something else, we can still edit it in de script, I believe.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, maybe it's not a part. Maybe this partnership is just not working out. Not us. We're good. Not us. We're good.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

If you wanna bash on something, um, there's plenty to bash about,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well gimme a

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

weight adjusted birth weights, things like that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

adjusted birth weights.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

surprised. act surprised.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Well, you don't have to be surprised, Joe. They do it

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

unpack it? Because it's always bothered you.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

because it. Why? Why?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

for heifers.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Why do we need to do it? Period. damn calf was born on whatever day and when it hit the ground, it weighed a certain weight. Why are we adjusting it? They don't know what I feed or don't feed. They don't know how much grass my cows have or don't have. They don't know when I've bread the cow, when the calf's due. If it's premature. If it's overdue, they don't know crap, but they're adjusting it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Bite me up, Corman. Yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

uh, you boy, the, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

the DNA plays such an important factor in that anyway, so it's like, what does the birth weight even matter? And then you're adjusting it on top of that,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

correct.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I believe we've already hammered on the, uh, on the DNA enough. You know what I mean? But,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

got to hear it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

oh, was that last,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

episode?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I feel like that one was a, yeah, we got that one out right.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I don't, no, it was the,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

that

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the forever lost episode.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

we're recording. What, uh, three hours before this thing has to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah. Jason Meen said, you better get it up. I'm gonna be ready to listen in the morning. So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

No. So the adjusted birth weight, I was shocked when we recorded Fresh and Vince brought this up. I, I knew on heifers they did it. You guys knew it. Corbin, did you know before that episode we recorded they adjust cows

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

absolutely, absolutely. And I believe in the lost episode that I mentioned that that is the first time, the absolute first time that I knew something that Joe Fisher did not know about Angus cattle. That's the first time

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I think you did say that actually.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

is so

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

it's all coming back to me.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

can somebody explain to me why?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

what?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Why they

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

they do it because they know more than we know. The calf that hit the ground at 72 pounds is not really 72 pounds. It's really 78 pounds or 80 pounds. You don't know.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you know what kind of, do you know what pisses me off more than anything? It's, it's more of like a, just a stab. It's just like a grab. It's like a, it's like a, we're bigger than you and we can do this. It is whenever, one way 77 and then they adjust it to 78. It's like, why? It, why you're just being a turd.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

pound gonna do?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

You, you're just being a turd at this point.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but why are they adding eight, uh, eight to 10 pounds on heifers?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Why are they adding anything on cows? Why is there any adjustment needed?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

adding anything on anything? If I wanna breed my damn heifers to have a 85 pound calf, they don't need to make it 95 pounds

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So is there any, is there anything, okay. Again, the heifer deals stupid, but maybe on the cows and I'm, I'm, there's gotta be a, there's a couple scenarios that could be the reason why, reason why those weights are adjusted. Maybe that cow's. Five and, and having a bigger calf than a maybe she's not all the way to maturity, so they adjust it and make it go up or adjust the way it's up. Maybe, and I'm just spit balling here. I'm just shooting from the hip. Maybe it's regional. Maybe the cows in Tennessee are bigger than the cows. The calves, birth weights are bigger in Tennessee, and that's why Vinces heifers are getting so trashed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I just, I don't just leave it alone.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I agree.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

if you put'em in a contemporary group by themselves.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the data.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

that

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What does it matter? What's the contemporary? It's a freaking birth weight.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

group.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

It's a birth weight.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

So

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

are we,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I agree with you. I'm not disagreeing, but I could see the point

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

getting me all worked up.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

cows. I could see the point if they put'em in with cows.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

swear to God, if somebody brings up a quarter CC semen, I'm gonna freaking blow my gasket

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I'll give you a quarter ccs.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the birth weight, between the birth weight and the quarter cc.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

know, maybe that makes a difference on the birth weight, how big the straw, the semen was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

well, we didn't talk about this, uh, we didn't talk about this in the prior episode, but what about, um, adjusting the weaning weights on heifers, the weaning weights? That seems more

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

think, I think you should adjust the wean and weight because you're gonna take the wean and weight, not on a 2 0 5 day. That was the point.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

What's the

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the weight is taken on day 2 0 5, they don't adjust

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

No, no, no, no, no, no. But if you took it on 2 0 5, they're still adding weight to heifers. 100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

yeah, yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I'm gonna say they shouldn't.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

factor.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I'm gonna say they shouldn't do that. I'm gonna say they shouldn't do that if we're putting'em in their own contemporary group. But what, I guess the idea is that you, you shouldn't have to put them in their own contemporary group. Right. But I always do because I've, I don't, because of the adjustment, I put them in their own, uh, contemporary group because of the adjustment.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I think most people, I think most people generally take care of their heifers more than they take care of their cows and then still put'em in the contemporary group with the cows and then they hammer the cows it's not accurate. Contemporary grouping, it's not accurate data. Why am I not getting to the yellow? Do I sound really quiet to you

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Little bit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. But it's okay.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

of it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It's okay. I like it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

no, I don't get it if, keep'em in their own contemporary group age dam adjustment, adjustment factors. I think actually both of those things that you guys have touched on what has a added to some of the frustration in EPDs and people not seeing out in the country what they see in their EPDs. They're seeing two different things sometimes and that makes sense if you're baking that cake with, uh, a computer generated assumption a study that was done in, I don't know, when was the birth weight study done? Probably the seventies, eighties. That's when most of'em were done.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Forties.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

forties

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

And you can't really,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

we're, how much are you guys watching this red meat yield stuff? Have you watched that at all? I know Vince hasn't. I sent you guys the emails. I sent you the text. You don't read'em, you don't open them.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

You realize I was in special ed. I don't even know how to read.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Here we go. Yep.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Just keep picking on

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

have like a

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

we go.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

two, I have a, I have a two sentence attention span.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

this shot. DEI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

DEI,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

said was in DEI plan at Shady Brook.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

That's awesome.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

even know what you're talking about. I don't know what d

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Corbin.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

what is DEI?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

what were you gonna say? What were you going to say?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

was gonna say that I have about a three sentence attention span. So anything you send that's over three sentences or 30 seconds, I'm not watching or reading. I.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Two TLDR.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

yield has basically said we've been new yield. Great. All wrong. It doesn't represent the cattle. It represents the cattle of the forties. And we've been using this technology to evaluate cattle on the hook for 80 years, I think it was the forties. I, I should back that off. Okay. Um, however many years, we've been wrong. wrong. Not even close.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Do you know the good news?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it by cutting them up with MRIs or CT scans or whatever. And I can't get into that enough, but you could have asked any rancher, anybody that raised Angus cattle, and they would say ribeye. Ribeye is not an indicator of red meat yield of a carcass. Anybody would tell you that. They would say, there's some cattle that have big ribeye and light carcasses and light ribeyes and big carcasses, and there's big differences there. So tying this back into our birth weight stuff, who came up with that study and who put it in there? Because it's ridiculous to me. So now, do we need to be telling our customers if you, if you use adjusted birth weight in your catalog. Do you need to be explaining to them the different thresholds because our customers are looking at it like, I want an 85 pound calf. Well, if you get an 85 pound calf, actually he's going to be a 92 pound calf and adjusted. That is not going to make sense.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No, it's stupid

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

at all. They're gonna be like, what? I don't care what an adjusted, I love our cus, but our customers would love to get paid on adjusted weaning weight instead of getting paid on actual

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

am sure they'd love to get paid on the freaking EPDs in general. Then you could just, it'd be easy at that point.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Quiet

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

You know the good,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

there.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

good news about the yield grade that you just talked about, it doesn't matter because genomics wipes all that out.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Oh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, it does. It does.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

knows all. Just like the fact that we all used a heifer bull on heifers and before the calves got here, genomics changed the birth weight then all our heifers died because they couldn't have them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

My clarion's are bad ass. They're bad to the bone. They're good, they're good. Hey, I'm gonna tell you something too. So we're talking about these adjusted birth weights and how they can affect our customers. Whenever they're trying to read a catalog, it goes deeper. How about any of these EPDs? How about any of'em? I mean, some of them are accurate and some of them that I can, I can attest to. So, so should I go lot by lot and take out the ones I think are fake? Like, oh, it says this one's a 0.60 for Claw, but that's not true. He's got really good feet. He, mother's got really good feet. He is sire, who I also own, had really good feet. Um, he's not a, he's not a 0.6. Oh. So we, we could just take that one off. I think that makes more sense, that makes more sense than, than some of the EPDs make is being able to pick and choose which ones you put in there.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

The data. The thing about the data is everybody's gotta remember like the foot EPD. If people are not turning in the data, then how accurate is it?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Right. And, and the problem is, is that there's so many people that do not turn in the data, that the ones that do turn in the data can kind of control it more than, more than we like, especially, especially at the beginning, especially whenever the EPDs are new and there's only a few herds that are doing the reporting on'em. Um, they have a chance to basically do some things, the EPDs that shouldn't be done, and it, and it ends up affecting the whole system for the whole life of the EP d. You know what I mean? I mean, it, it's, it's very beneficial at first, but then, but then everything kind of gets convoluted at the end. So some of these.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Some of these cattle are getting misrepresented for the wrong reasons, and then it's hard to come back from it. Um, in a world where we all wish we could get a competitive advantage, there's there's always going to be some fallout and there's gonna be some people that are affected negatively by trying to gain that competitive advantage.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So why when people go to the sale and they said, oh, this bull, he's so good. Um, that bull's even better bull, but he's a four pound birth weight. We can't use him. So he's garbage, automatically garbage.'cause he is four pound birth weight.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you think that, do you think that there are, are legitimate breeders, commercial breeders, registered breeders, anyone? Anyone that look at a four pound birth weight and say, I can't use him in any way, shape, or form, are there breeders that are actually selecting that stringent on birth weight? They have. I mean, I know the answer to my question.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I, I mean, I don't know. I, I don't, I know some people do, and mean, I get it. If you've got 20 cows and you work a job in town and you're not there for'em and you're worried that they can't have a calf, so you keep buying heifer bulls for your cows, which is a horrible idea, but I mean, I get some of that, you should like the TAEP deal, the Tennessee enhancement money, they, you have to sit through these classes and they're telling them. That you know you well, man. If you work a job in town, you're gonna want one of these low birth bulls. Well, what's gonna happen when they have four generations, if they're retaining heifers of low birth stuff, they can't have a 30 pound calf, so the birth weight's irrelevant.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, and then, and then here's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

teach in classes have ever had to pay a bank note or have a set of cows or breed a set of

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

The ones teaching the classes, uh, probably very few,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

They, Dan your,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

they Dan sure haven't they? Dan Sure. Haven't been Calvin. Many of'em out in this weather that we've been dealing with the past couple weeks because I know that the, like if, if I had a cow that was out there, having a 40 pound calf right now in, in nine inches of rain in three days, you're gonna have a serious problem. It's a serious problem.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

yeah. But what if it's a 40 pound calf with an adjusted birth weight that makes it 54

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It's 54. It's really, it's really bigger. It's really bigger.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Go tell it. Go. When it's laying there dying, say you're really 54 pounds. Get up and run.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

There you go. So I actually got a call today from a listener about that. That said, seriously, how can we get these guys? They're dealing with the exact same thing that Vince just described. He said a 60 and 80 pound calf. He said, that's not just 20 pounds of difference. It's whole life. ends up being like the Richter Scale. If it's 20 pounds at birth, it's probably 40, 50, maybe 60 pounds

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

He goes, it's huge. It's not described by the EPDs, and we're seeing the exact same thing. So that listener really appreciated. I, I guess that was in a podcast that aired. I'm trying to remember which things we covered and which ones

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you know what we what? Do you know what didn't get covered?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

What's that?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I think merch. I think merch was in our lost episode that we didn't get out.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

We need to get that out while we're thinking about it.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

we'll get it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you remember what that, do you remember the link? Seriously? Do you remember the link?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it up and not having the information. This

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I mean, um, so basically we, should, we, we should do a giveaway While I'm thinking about this.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

wasn't it? Had had it started

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I'm looking it up, but, but should we do a giveaway?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

You know where it is. It's in our texts

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It's, it's on our Facebook page. It's on our Facebook page.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a, it's on our Facebook page. We've already had some orders.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

have, we have. So here's what we're gonna do, guys. We're gonna do a giveaway, but we're gonna release this tomorrow. Um, so what we're gonna do is I'll put that giveaway on Facebook and if everyone likes and shares, what should we give away, guys? What should we give away?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

do we have any stickers?'cause we haven't had a car wash lately, or a fundraiser and I don't know how we're gonna pay for hoodies.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I got some stickers.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

The hoodies are only 30 bucks a piece on there, guys. 30.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

30

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. Yeah. Cheap. Cheap. I mean, and they're good hoodies. They're those, uh, those gilding. They're not the, the Gil Cotton ones that shrink up really bad, but they're the ones that are kind of the sportier material that, that kind of stays around for a little bit longer. A little bit higher quality. You had to pay a little bit more for the shirt, but it's amazing. Um, it's amazing. The opportunity.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

what about for our listener who likes wearing a t-shirt, specifically a pocket T-shirt?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Pocket tea. We've got

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

about

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

the Vinny.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Vinny?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vinny. The Vinny.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

does the Vinny come with like holes in the stomach from sparks? From welding and grinding.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I don't have, I've got oil stains on this one. Not

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you want to know something?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

the Vinny come with oil stains

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

or holes in it?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince, you need to meet. You need to meet Lucy though, really? Because she has the country, the hick accent, and you two together. We've just, I just walk around with a video camera just videoing both of you talk.'cause it'll make me laugh so much.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Wilson said he needs a two XL

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Hoo.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

coming up with a, coming up with a name.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, here's what you can tell Wilson. Tell Wilson to like and share our Facebook page, and you can have a chance at one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

boys that

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Wilson,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

link is,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

think his wife, Facebooks, but Wilson on Facebook,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

well then who is ZWT on Facebook? Is that, is that his wife?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

He's sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

his wife's account?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

He's sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Oh

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

He sneaky.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

the shadiest

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you wanna know something? Do you wanna know something? I, there's a lot of closet facebookers out there. There's a lot of them. I guarantee you a lot of our listeners are listening right now and they're having a little chuckle because they know they get on their wife's accountant and do a little stalking on there.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Do you know how I find a closet Facebooker?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

How

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

They always say things like, you know what I heard the other day? And I'm like, you mean, you mean you saw it on Facebook, on your wife's Facebook?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

a meme, son of a gun,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

You saw Russian meme is what you saw. But they'll be like, oh, I heard this the other day, and where'd you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Heard that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Hey,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I heard that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

do you have the, do you have the address

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I've got the link. I've got the link. I've been trying to spit it out for the past 10 minutes.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

it's only two Ws

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Ww,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

uh, we love you, Robert.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

WW dot.com. Um, www. Actually, there's no Ws. Why did we say W? There's no WS at all. Don't put Ws. We don't have to do that anymore. That's not a thing anymore.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

oh, this is gonna be good.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Hattie's boutique.com. H-A-T-T-I-E-S, boutique, B-O-U-T-I-Q-U e.com. Hattie is Brian and Britt's daughter, and that's what they named their storefront. Um, it's, it's actually, if you go down on there, you can find the, the around the shoot, um, what would you call it, around the shoot homepage. Within the homepage, what do you call that, where you click the three lines on the left and then around the shoots, one of the things that comes up, the dropdown menu. The dropdown menu around the shoots on there. We've got hoodies, we've got a pink shirt for the ladies. We've got gray. We've got, there's, there's quite a few options. We've got long sleeve shirts. Um, it's really exciting. It's really exciting to have merch and for all that, for all of that to have come together and for it to be so cost effective for everyone. Um, so if you would like a shirt, go buy one. And if you don't, this is awful. I feel like a salesman. I don't, I I genuinely, I genuinely don't need anyone to buy a shirt. I just think it's cool.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

What we might have to get is hats so that you aren't wearing a sweat ring summit. What is that? Electrical engineering.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Not engineering

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

them if you want a, uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

electrical supply.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

supply.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

thought it was like, uh, summit Auctions, like, uh, sale management.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

of which are sponsors by the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, we just gave'em a plug and they are located in Fort Worth, Texas. So if any of you guys have a instrumentation or automation business and you need some electrical equipment or supplies, uh, they'd be a great stop. Yep, yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. Just go on hattie's boutique.com to find your summit at, let me know what happens.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

some more news to talk about though. Are you, you got something else,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No, I was just gonna say the stickers are not on Hattie Boot. Hattie's Boutique.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I could probably put a sticker on the hat.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

if you come to Shady Brooks Sale, you might get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Complimentary stickers.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I've already heard of some, some guests that are gonna be in attendance and I know they're gonna want a sticker.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

baby.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

boy.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

what we should

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

they may not get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

If you put, if you go to the Shady Brook sale and you put that sticker on your car and show a picture out and about

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh, that'd be sweet.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

we'll put you in for a drawing for a hoodie.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Dang. But, but Joe, Joe, we can't do that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Is that too many

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

No. That, that needs to be part of it. We need y'all to do that. But, but there's gonna be so many, like, so many people are living South Dakota are not gonna be able to make Vince's sale to get a sticker.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I mean, it might be worth it for a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It might. It might.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Hey,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a hoodie. They would need the

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

listen, Corbin,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Wyoming the other day and it is cold,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

if they don't show up, that's their problem.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yep.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, I want to have a chance at a hoodie, and I'm not missing my daughter's birthday party.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Well, don't nobody

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Actually, actually, I'm going to Frosty's house, not his house. I'm going to his ranch. So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Oh, that'll be

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

whatever. Is he gonna, Hey, is he cooking?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

take frosty a hoodie is

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Is he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Should,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

When you go over there to eat, go over there, do a herd visit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

have to ask him what's on the menu. I'll have to ask him.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Uh, he, he, he doesn't discriminate. Vince, he'll cook anything. I think

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So he's got a, he's got a, uh, I almost said he's got a partner, but that's not what I mean. He's got an,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

you were gonna say, had a podcast.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

he's got an old compadre named Baird that lives on the ranch, that's worked for the, that's been family friends for many, many years. And Baird is a, uh. What do you call those cooks that are out on the range? What do you call'em?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Cookie

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Cookie, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Cookie,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

wagon. Wagon. Chef.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Chuck Wagon.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Chuck. Wagon Chef. He's a chuck. Wagon chef. He's got his own spices. His own, yeah, he's got a,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Gator.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

his name is, uh, Jerry Baird. If you look up his spices, I guarantee you it's on the interweb somewhere. But he's got a really good,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

with like a Dutch oven and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So he usually does the cooking and it's pretty fun. He's a fun, he's 80

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

to Vince what a Dutch oven

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

A Dutch of

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

he

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I knew what a determin was.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Wait, which, which version did Vince know? I have a feeling he knew the little kid version.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

he did. He did not know about cooking cobblers or biscuits in one, let's put

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No, I did not.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

way, or, or stews or anything over a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I did that to Milo the other day. It was,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

God. Speaking of cowboy stuff, speaking of some cowboy stuff, of you have watched the Dale Brisbee, Derrick Begay special on YouTube.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

You need to, it's about, it's called Catching Mavericks or something. It's two hours long. It is fan. Fantastic. And I would encourage all of our listeners, not because of humor or anything, it's kind of got, if you take Dale Brisby's humor and you dial it back, um, and then think of De Derek Baggat is being super, super dry, but really, really handy. Like it is a great, great flick and it's good. Yes sir.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Who's Derek Bega. I know Dale Brisby.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Derek Bagga is a team roper from

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Okay.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Corbin,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah. Is he, uh, yeah, he's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Navajo. He's

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. Yeah. Really good.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

He's, I think he's Navajo Indian. And so they're basically out on this reservation with a bunch of Navajo. Um, I'm reluctant to stay in natives'cause I'm not sure. Um, but basically local people from this reservation that go out and catch wild cattle. The reason I'm encouraging people to watch it is super cool. And I think most people would say that is a world long, long ago, Chisholm Trail, John Wayne, that sort of stuff. And it doesn't exist. There's people still doing that, guys.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Uh, yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

not be your customer.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

be your customer, but there's a spectrum, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

between Derek, Derek Begay, Dale Brisbee, and a dude with penny loafers and a five gallon bucket.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I'm on the, I'm on the spectrum.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

you, do you have penny loafers?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

ever watched that show? Have y'all ever watched that show?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Love on the spectrum?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh my gosh, guys, it's so bad. It's so bad.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

of cattle production and we all, I, I think a lot of people get stuck in what they know rather than knowing that beef production is so diverse. And I think that it's important for people, as you breed cattle, to know that there is a diverse way in which people breed. They don't, they don't care if yours is the first best IMF leader. If they're out there roping it and tying it to a mesquite tree in the middle of the Arizona reservation,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

100%.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

who is slogging out there in his five gallon pale with penny loafers, doesn't care how cool it was that you roped and dragged one in a trailer.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Do you know what they used to do in, uh, when I lived in, um. The western slope on the western side of Colorado. And, and they, the guy I worked for had a ranch that went up into Utah and it's, it's pretty ranchy out that way. They're running cows on 2000 acre pastures and they may see'em once a week in the winter. And that's in the wintertime and in the summertime it's less than that. Well, they forwarded a reservation and so, um, those cattle from the reservation were really, really ranked. They were just crazy. And you couldn't catch'em with, I mean, you couldn't pin'em. There was no way to pin'em. So what they would do is they would get helicopters and they would drop nets and catch these things and that's how they would have to catch some of'em. I swear. I swear they had to do that. It is a And that

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

guys don't catch'em with nets, but they're catching

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

was government trappers that were catching them. Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

and these guys, they didn't necessarily, they might have impacted at the beginning, but um, my buddy Seth used to do those deals. It was government contracts, like real cowboys, and they would go catch these cattle. They were mavericks. They got to sell them because they were slicks. They didn't belong to anybody. and so it's, it's a cool thing to watch because I think we should always. Seek to know more about the beef industry.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you know what happens?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

on more than our own little world.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

go ahead, Corbin.'cause this is gonna segue into a different conversation

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

do you know what happens in southeast Oklahoma though? And then we'll let, we'll let Vince ride the segue on outta here. In southeast? In southeast. In southeast Oklahoma. Hold on. Vince just sent a text.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it's ridiculous? Okay. I gotta shut off my wifi because I cannot have Vince send in memes in the middle of recording.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Every time, every time Vince sends a text, Joe goes a little more pixelated.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

That's two dime at a nickel is what that is. That's

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So in, uh, so anyways, the, the guys in southeast Oklahoma that just get so excited sometimes when a cow gets out so they can get their trailer and their horse out. They have no idea what's going on in, uh, in the desert of Arizona. But anyways, so, so ride that segue on outta here. Vince,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So speaking of, um, team Ropers, you said the guy was a team roper? Is that what you said?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

yes.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

of team Ropers, he's, is he partners by chance with the guy that was on Farmer once wife last, last, last year?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

The guy from Missouri.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

So Farmer

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Didn't pick

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

me.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the guy that didn't pick anybody.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

We are 34 minutes ahead, have discussed nothing

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

forgot about it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

we talked about adjusted birth weights.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Did we, did we wait? In the lost

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yes.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

because I was

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

He got sick,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

water

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

a dose of water and just never stopped.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And then it was actually contagious because now Abby has it. She's been sick and this is all from laughing Too much on the new farmer wants a wife. if you're not on a text thread with Vince and watching Farmer Once and all the nicknames he has for all the characters, you're missing

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Listen, Higgins, it's a, it's a tradition every year when Higgins comes to video, farmer wants a wife starts. we all sit on the couch after videos and watch it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh my gosh.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

let me tell you, he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Does he come up with some of the names?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh, he's hilarious. He's hilarious.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

last night. Did you watch it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I haven't seen past the first episode.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Well, I got to choking on water and Abby's got the flu now.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Well,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

mean,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

we were supposed to actually catch up tonight. Amy won't let us watch it without Nate and his girlfriend. Well, Nate's girlfriend. It was a big confusion. Anyway, we hadn't got to watch it. So there we go.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

watch it tonight

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

We were supposed to watch it last night. Nate told her we were recording, so she made other plans and of course we didn't record, so I don't know what they're doing.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince, did you get all your cows bread?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

God, no. I don't know. I'm fixing to turn bulls out though, ING.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Are you about to catch a bunch of this rain that I just got? I know y'all just had tornadoes. Are you about to get seven? We got,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

don't know how we missed all that. And I'm a little nervous. I'm glad that we missed it. I'm a little nervous that we missed it because I don't want it to be one of those weather patterns where it just, everything keeps missing us.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

well, I don't think you have to worry about that yet.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

You know, Yle was telling us, telling me the other day that um, he actually called me day. I forgot to call him back. uh, he said there was like eight tornadoes at once in West Tennessee.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Holy

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

is nuts.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

It was nuts. There was one up in ridge, which is just North Lawrenceburg. You know where Lawrenceburg is, Joe,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah, it's, it is just outside of Loretta.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

anyway, yeah. Ridge and Summertown both is the same county that I'm in, but they're on the north end. I'm on the south end,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh man.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

rata.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I just wanted,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

are the best.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

just need to start.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Forge, please?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh my God. You know, when you're, uh, you're, um, what do you call'em? Uh, people you went to college with was named after the county that Shady Brooks in. not the county that the

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Oh, yeah.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince. What's that big? What's that big? What's that big city in Tennessee called? I can't remember. The one where one. Where all the country music.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Nashville.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

the one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Alright, come on. We lost, we just lost like 12 listeners.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

But we gained some right in Nashville.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Right down there in Nashville.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Oh

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Nashville.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

on my guitar.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

So I wanna share with you guys what I've been doing.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, let's hear it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

hear it. had a good trip, didn't you? came back from a trip.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a big trip. Yeah. And it was a, uh, kind of one of those landmark trips that, um, I've now transitioned

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Don't, don't say that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

say that. You transitioned, Joe.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

from California and you transitioned.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

back.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

oh man. I have transitioned into being the father of a college student. And so that was a big move.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Hey.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Let's go Bennett,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it's, Yeah, so Bennett went to a technical school there for diesel mechanics. He's wanted to go his whole life. Super excited. Abby and I took him back there. We flew back there, got his truck shipped. Um, spent two days back there and then got to experience Wyoming. Got to see some country that I hadn't seen. Shout out listeners in Wyoming. sometime this summer I'm gonna be coming out there. Reach out to around the chute if you're from Wyoming. And a listener, I would love to see some Angus cattle. I would love to see some Angus

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

but right now it's snowing there, right?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

out about that ranch that you were telling us about that you drove by and

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh, 200.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My buddy Kyle sho, uh, the Nashville recording artist

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Nashville?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

extraordinaire, owner of Lewiston Livestock in Montana. Um, he's one of their auctioneers and they had a banger of a sale, 250 some bulls, no ai, just natural service. Um,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

through south of Wheatland, Wyoming

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Been there.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

just see feed couple, feed lots, uh, signs everywhere. For this, Mr. Angus and I ended up talking to strumming about it. He said, uh, he thought the gentleman's last name was Reyes

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Kyle just started auctioneering for them last year, they averaged like over 9,000 on 250 some 2-year-old bulls.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

part of Wyoming

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

is this technical school in,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

It's in Laramie, so it'd be in the eastern

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

on the Eastern side.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

It's only like two hours from, um, Denver,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Two hours from Denver.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

say Laramie's pretty close to Denver, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So that's, that's where the actual college is too, right?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it's in the same, yeah, so they share, um, they used to kind of be halfway rivals, which is like the, the technical school is super small, you know, and so the administrative brass, as we were told, kind of came together and they folded those wild tech kids in. So you get a lot of discounts. Like Bennett, when he goes to the gym, he'll go to the University of Wyoming gym.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Um, he, he can get tickets to football games and stuff like that, which I'm super excited about. And then I was looking around, I mean, what a cool campus. We're gonna take miles to tour the campus there. They've got an animal science department and a business school

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

How much do they love

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

about it.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Josh Allen around there?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Well, I didn't really ask Corbin, but

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

The,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

didn't think about it?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

They were doing an expansion on that stadium that was pretty salty looking, and I'm sure it has a lot to do with Josh

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Lot to do with that quarter million dollar contract he just signed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the coolest part of y'all's visit.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh yeah. Billion.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

visit you went, the first visit when y'all went, and

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

October when I went to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the coolest part of that? No, I would never, the coolest part of that. Was all the vehicles. All the vehicles,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

That's Joe after he transitions.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

yes. All the vehicles that you sent pictures of. Those were some cool kids I could tell by the vehicles.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Wyatt had to load, I'm gonna tell you, getting, getting vehicles shipped across country is kind of a,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Why didn't he just drive it? Why didn't he drive it?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

don't say that. He's gonna listen to

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

No, I wanna know.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

family

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

He should not have driven. It could have been sketchy

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Well, I was worried 19 hours that that thing was gonna break down and he wasn't gonna make the first day of class and everything, and so just get it shit back there.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

So that's.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Well,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

he could have stopped at a sketchy gas station and went in the bathroom and somebody could have touched his private parts.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

true. That person would've looked like this text you just sent me. But anyways, whole underbelly of trying to get a vehicle shipped is, man, it's interesting. So Dmitri, I don't know Dmitri's last name I cannot pronounce Dmitri's last name, picked up this vehicle when Abby and I were actually in mine, Montana. So Wyatt had to load it. Wyatt calls me and he says, Hey, do you know if Dmitri's ever driven a manual transmission pickup?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And I'm like, dude moves cars for a living. I mean, he has to figure it out. And he goes, well, mean, he got kind of pale when he jumped in the truck and saw there was a stick here. And wt was, I, I said, you put it in four low, you should put this truck in four low. And the truck, of course, because you're going to Wyoming and you're a California kid. Uh, Bennett kind of prepped me a week before he says, oh, you know, there's a little crack in that exhaust. There's a little crack in that exhaust. Well, that's code four. He's gonna lop it off with

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

it happens. Those things happen, Joe. Those things happen

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

say, and I mean, it looks like a thumbs up, Corbin,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

w

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

like a

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

blah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

coal plant underneath his truck. And it's just like black smoke billowing out and Dmitri has to drive this thing up on a, on a trailer, but he's got his car. This isn't germane at all, but it, it made me think about. How we think about these landmark moments in time. But actually we've always been in these states of transition with these kids. mean, the last time he crawled and he stood up, you know, and walked, he was never gonna crawl

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And so why did, why do we think about him, quote unquote moving on to college or moving out or whatever as being such a big deal? Well, it's a landmark event. I mean, it's never, things won't be the same. And so it got me to thinking as I was driving through Eastern Wyoming there and and into Montana, it got me thinking, what about our breeding programs? Are we in a constant state of transition? What are we trying to accomplish? And I think that actually bringing this up is gonna create some polarization. Honestly. We probably have some listeners that are gonna think that I have a shell breeding account, a breeding program then, and that I need to just stay true to what I'm doing. And you need to etch it in stone. But. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with climates or uh, uh, environment that changes or grass seasons that change and seasons that change, and that change and all these, are we always in a state of transition? So I don't know if I teed that up real good, but what do you think Corbin, of, of that, I mean, what, that spark in your mind when I say those things?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, for one thing, I, I think about our cow herds are always in a state of transition in that we're always trying to get'em from one, one season in time to the next. So, uh, for in general, I mean, there are places where you're grazing 12 months a year or, you know, you could, you could break that apart in so many ways. You could do it seasonally, you could do it gestationally where, whereas like a, when a cow calves, you work that calf at 90 days, we're always working on a certain time schedule. Um. Are we really getting any, anywhere? Are, are, are we just, what are we trying to whittle away at? I mean, what are we, what's our end goal? I mean, is our end goal to leave something behind for our kids? Is our end goal to make the cows better? Is our end goal yield need yield grade? I mean, what, what are we trying to do? Um, it's definitely something that's, that's, that calls for a lot of introspection when you, when you start to think about it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I think a lot of folks end goal is different.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I actually kind of had this conversation with a friend the other day. You know, what, what is your end goal? And I, I'm not gonna say that he didn't really know, like he's got a vision of what he wants, but I'm not sure he could put it necessarily into words. Does that make sense? Um, but it, there's so many people like, okay, I mean, you got the guy, his end goal is to get a bull in a stud. You got the guy that his end goal is to sell one for 50,000 or a hundred thousand, and you got the next guy that, he just, he just wants to be doing it. So he's buying and selling, buying and selling, buying and selling. He's not even hardly retaining Um, to, to build a actual program around. I mean, there's so many different of it, and then you know, you, everybody thinks they're doing it the right way and everybody is doing it the right way for them,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. Yeah, that's another question you guys. Are we arrogant enough to sit here and say that someone having the end goal in mind of putting one in a stud is wrong? Are we, I mean, I couldn't tell, I couldn't say that was wrong. I mean, that's, that's obviously not my goal. Um, uh. Would, and I'm not saying I wouldn't, that wouldn't be awesome, but I'm saying that's not the end goal. The end goal for me is, is pretty simple. It's to, to feed my family and get to where, um, get to where we don't have to worry about money someday. I mean, but leave something for my kids behind. I mean, it's, I've got more at stake I feel like, financially than, than some do. And, and so we've all got different goals. We've all got different goals.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Well, and I think that when you're building a cow that needs to work in a landscape, I mean, you gotta push her limits. I really feel that that is our role to push her limits, to find out how to maximize the amount of pounds that you're harvesting off of the landscape that you're a steward of. Now, the caveat is for all the people that are

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

hate on that comment. Per cow exposed. So I'm not just saying that we're gonna maximize, maximize, maximize, and then lose all these females. It's easy to do one of those things. But to try to optimize the cows that you have respect to the pounds that you harvest off of that particular landscape. And I think that that's the commercial role. But to your point, Corbin, you know, you, you brought up, if somebody wants to get one in the stud, I don't really have a problem with that a goal. I really don't. What I have a problem with personally though, is when folks like to market that there's something else. When just say that all you want to do is put one in a stud. How about that? Well, when you say that, that's not too marketable, so people aren't very honest with what they're doing. and I've said this several times, I think where I go though, what trips my trigger on this state of constant transition. You guys remember an episode we did that was, it was passion, um, for breeding livestock or something like that that we did. And Vince actually talked, I think about EXT and said something to the effect of, well, who's to say that what I need now, I might not need tomorrow or what I need tomorrow I probably didn't need today to get where we're going for industry demands or where my cow herd was at. And I wanted to unpack that a little bit because again, I think that some of the purest, purest breeders would say, line it up and just keep doing the same thing, the same thing, the same thing. I also think that the, the need to stay relevant to your customer base is evolving now faster than ever before. I'm not saying be everything to everyone and change your morals, but I am saying. It would behoove everyone to broaden your horizons and make sure that you stay relevant unless you have trust fund. Unless you have a trust fund, and that's okay too.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

did you just say change your morals?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Ooh.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

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joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Whew.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

That was a fun one

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I know people

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

that,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah. Yeah. I've heard some, I've heard some interesting chatter about, uh, fake photos.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

What's

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I, I don't shoot the messenger, but I've heard AAA's looking into Photoshop and how to, and how to eliminate. I've heard that AAA is on it. Um,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

about

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

same. I've heard

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

That's gonna put some people outta business.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

it'll damn sure make'em think it'll, damn sure it'll change some of this. It, it would, I try to find a way where, you know, where I say, Hey, free market and, you know, we gotta let people do what they're gonna do. I try to have that side of things because I truly believe in it. But at the end of the day, whenever you are, there's gotta be some rules, right? When you're, when you're marketing something that's impossible to, to, to prove or, or something that's not, it's, it's just, just plain, not real. We gotta draw the line somewhere.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Well, the one, one of the people that do a really good job at faking them, uh, they got told on when they, I forget it was the bull stud. They had this cool picture and then they played the video and the picture looked nothing like the animal in video video.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

They edit the video. You can edit the videos now too though, right?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

you can't, you can't make the animal look better, you?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I think they do, but I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

way.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

think to the same degree at all. No.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

smoking? They'd have to use CGI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Is that not,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

have CGI.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you don't think they do? What's C-C-G-I-C-G-I? Boy. You just said C. What does that stand for? What does that acronym stand for? CGI.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I know.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I just learned about ai. How am I supposed to remember all these acronyms?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

So I actually heard that AI is what's gonna be able to detect all these falsified photos, just like they use AI to figure out documents that have been doctored with ai.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I used AI today.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

What for?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

use it quite often,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Uh, breed a cow.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a cow.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh, oh

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

gonna

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

ai.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

himself on mute

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

It took me like 20 minutes to figure out what you were talking about. Ai. I'm so locked into AI being this new technology that I forget that it's actually what artificial insemination is. You had to sneeze.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I think bringing up your photo thing is kind of germane though, Corbin, because, I mean, I think that's how EPD started actually.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the fake fake.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

They were supposed to be the answer to the fake photos or the fake.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I just probably, probably performance and different things that were fabricated where people were the, the somebody got together and said, we gotta take environment out of this because we can't trust that people are treating this all the same. we need to describe these cattle on an even playing field. And I don't know when the fine line is applied between free market and absolute fraud. And Angus Association's brand is associated with Angus products and Angus Association brand is all of us. And so I think a lot of these photos have gotten outta hand. Guys. I think there's, I think there's different levels of out handedness and there's some people that do some very classy jobs, classy jobs with quality photos. And then there's people that I just scratch my head and I'm like, why'd you even walk out there and take the photo?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I mean. just stop trying to fool us all and just do it in the office. Please stop insulting my intelligence.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

you talking about taking like a, a bad photo of a, a animal with your cell phone and posting it on

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I think he's talking about the opposite, Vince, I think he's talking about where it's like this lab created photo, that that's, there's no reality to it.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah, it's so distorted. Well, they had to have somewhere to start.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

get the brand. They had to get the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

on there, right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

but when I see, and it's, it's pretty sad though, but when I see certain names, I throw that picture. I don't, I don't, that program is not dead to me. It's not like I, I, I'm like, oh, I'm not using anything from that program. But that picture, it's, you might as well have not even showed it to me. I'm gonna need to see more. It,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

if I know that picture's authentic though.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

was, I've, I've been a part of taking pictures of club cabs where. You know, a guy tells me, oh, this is all natural. It's an all natural deal. We don't mess around with nothing. We don't do anything. And then, and then he calls you. He's like, where's my pictures? Where's my pictures? Where's my pictures? They ain't ready yet. They ain't ready yet. They ain't ready yet. I was like, how much ready yet do you

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

This is,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

at the picture. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

good to

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Did you use

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

that three cans of starch on your hair or,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

So back to my, uh, transition stuff though. Do you think like we covered any of that or what? You rolled your eyes.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

because you've said transition eight times

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

It was, it was kinda like that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Corbin,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

was kinda like that time that you said dooo.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

There was a comma. It was a comma, not a dash.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

when?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

It's a, uh,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Anyway,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

this deal has

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the, the, I remember distinctly. But the breed changes. The breed transitions. It's not just your taste, the entire thing. I remember distinctly, I. In the eighties, you know, everybody had them big cattle, like you could s you couldn't even see the people's faces in the backdrop, but you could see their belt buckles.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah. Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I mean, they were big, tall, no gutted. When that transitioned. I remember, um, remember dad getting a bunch of cows. Uh, I think he got a, he got a big slug of'em from ac Cumbers because they were already doing the way they wanted it done, and that's how everything was transitioning. Um, and he got rid of all those in a timely fa, the big tall ones right before everything transitioned. And he kinda went on. So this thing's transitioned multiple times. Um. Of what, a few years ago they were wanting, you know, bigger frame cattle. Now everybody wants a a four frame cow or whatever it might be. But you know, I don't, I don't know who's driving that. I don't know if it's just the buyers, if it's somebody whispering in their ear and they start changing what they think they want or whatever. But I mean, I just try to breed cattle with what I like and if I hope people like them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

How.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What about you guys?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

like, does what you like or to. what you like. Does that evolve and change?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I would say maybe a little bit from when I first started, but I think it was more so, um, the knowledge that I didn't have then that I have now.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Mm-hmm.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Maybe. Does that sound right?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, I don't think your goalposts have moved much. I think it's more of a, you've become more in tune with what it takes to get that ball through the uprights. But,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

information.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

but how do we, how do we ensure that we don't get caught up in, in trying to move the goalpost as much as what? Like as if we went from the eighties to the, you know, we went from the little belt buckles to the eighties and, and, and 30 years seems like a long time. It really does. But when you start thinking about how small they were in the fifties and how big they were in the eighties, I don't know if we're ever gonna see a swing that big, but how do we. Are we, is it necessary or, or how do we keep that from happening? What do we as breeders need to do?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but it was just like our conversation last night when I was saying I got sucked into, I lost my focus on a bull and I overlook the best bull. Because I was so focused on something in a pedigree or whatever, I, I mean, we had this conversation last night and

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

it happens. It just happens. Like you just get focused on something fixated maybe, and you can't even see what's right in front of you. What is that old saying? You can't see the forest for the

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I mean, that's kind of how I felt when it hit me.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it's who your influences are too and what your influences are, I guarantee you the guy that's out there calving cows, if he finds an association with this particular siren line beats up or calf every single time they're gonna be in a state of transition. Where if he sees that in a pedigree, he

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Right.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

absolutely.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And the same with feet, and the same with

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Fertility. Fertility is a big one.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

that's why I've been

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

advocate of the person who is.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Is Vince shaving?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

We lost Joe

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh, thank goodness. We're an hour and two minutes, Joe. The last 12 seconds you didn't say any words. Oh, you're muted. He's muted.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

he

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince, are you shaving right now?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah. I'm shaving my back. No, I'm scratching my back.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh, Joe, are you back?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I don't know what happened

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

You were muted

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

happened

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

you.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I was, I was at three bars and then it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Vince.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I muted myself.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Our audio's going to pot.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Mine's fine.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

have to wrap up. My mine's good.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Okay, good.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

locked up for a second, but I don't even remember what I was talking about now, but I was just trying to say that based on your influences, you move your cow herd a direction and Vince said knowledge. I mean, I think that I breed cattle differently today than I did 10 years ago, and I breed cattle differently. I bred cattle 10 years ago differently than I did 20 years ago. And I think the tools I have at my disposal now, I have a lot more of them. I have a lot more tools. And the biggest one is knowledge.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

biggest one is this has worked here, this works for my customers, whatever. And I think some of those age, old time-tested programs of consistency, there wasn't a lot of generational continuity people. For people. If you think about it, the mix of, of humans and involved in these breeding programs, lot of them didn't have a mentor or a person to go alongside of, and they just kind of folded into a breeding program. And there's probably some good in that and then there's some big time challenges. but I've got to imagine that 50, 60 years ago, there was a lot more generational. Angus breeding that took place, and even those generational Angus farms. I think the Montana ones, that's who I my mind automatically goes to is the Montana families. I even think that they've transitioned into a little different type of cow because their end user of that cow has a different set of goals than they did a hundred years ago. Is that fair, Vince?

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah, I would think so. I, I would, and you know, other thing too is the way that people were breeding cattle and the, the. The circle that I thought I needed to be in. I was breeding cattle like them. Does that make sense? I mean, e even, even early on, I remember you sharing stories early on. You were using bulls that you had no business using because there was a new hot bull or the new or so and so-and-so was using the bull. So you need to use the bull or so-and-so said you need to use the bull because he's got all the inside track and, and now like I don't even hear any of that noise anymore, to be honest,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well, you know.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I talked to you guys, I mean.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I feel like, like me, the three of us and, and most of the people that listen to us and most of the people we know are not chasing the marbling EPD. But with that said, the amount of marbling that's getting pushed is trickling down to us to where the, the, you know, we might be forced to look at that EPD and say, Hey, I don't want it to be below this. Maybe we don't even think that. Maybe we don't even look at it if we don't even look at it. It's still trending up because of the gene pool and what's out there. And so ultimately it doesn't have to be a conscious decision for, for most of us to change the nation's cow cowherd because it's getting trickled down to us, even if it's not to an extreme. Number, maybe it's not an extreme chase, it's still trending in that direction. So over time, we are gonna change these cattle. And whether or not it's a positive direction or not, I don't know, but I know that, that you're guilty by association. I mean, you're gonna, you're cattle are gonna move in that di direction, aren't they? Or are they not? I think they, it has to be, and maybe yours don't, but 95% of the Nation Scout heard would,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

The other thing too, is you could say, well, I'm gonna the nation's cow herd and I'm gonna breed cattle that are miniatures or John Norman, whatever you want it to be. And you'll figure out real quick that nobody wants them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

does hit you, it hits you once.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

said, it's like a pendulum where the trends, and I think that's the difference between, wanna be careful in this conversation that folks don't feel like we're the corrective mating fire and ice people, fire and ice people. but I will say this, the year 2035, um, value is placed on cattle based upon their I-M-F-E-P-D. Do you think some folks who didn't pay attention to I-M-F-E-P-D at all will now have to, well, you don't have to, but your third party verification's gonna be the marketplace you're selling.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

If you.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

absolutely.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

You don't have to, but if, if you have bills to pay and you're not gonna be able to sell your cattle and pay your bills, it's gonna fix it real quick.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And especially if these cattle have to be paying for themselves. I mean, I think that changes your whole mindset. I mean, none of us run on generational wealth. Um, now having said that, I'll tell you my cow herd is, is it isn't transitioning, there's always a goal in mind that we're trying to create with a degree of repeatability for our customers. And the cow I need today isn't the cow I needed 10 years ago. So those are the transitions I'm talking

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

And um, and it's funny, I, I remember distinctly the bull Vince brought up was EXT and it was like, well, do you think EXT. Would work today like he worked back then. And I think in some respects, yes, in some respects, no. And we've even internally, the three of us had the discussion like, man, could you imagine if we had some of these bulls we have today on those cows that we had in the two thousands? That would've been really cool. And we didn't have those bulls.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Right.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

We were doing something

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but we're able to do it backwards. We're able to utilize the cows we have today with EXT from yesterday. I mean, I've got eggs in the tank that are new matings that are by E xt. It's a totally different cow than I used XT on 15 years ago.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

And the, you know what the funny thing about that is on those females, the marketplace may be there, but on those bulls, the, the end, the consumer damn sure tells you what they think of those EXT bulls. If you sell a slug of them

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

That's why you use'em IVF and reverse, reverse sort it and you just get females,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

introducing trans ova,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but you know, I mean,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

a sponsor?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

we should,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I'll work on that.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

you're our in there, Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

they don't have their own podcast or anything.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Oh, I didn't even know they did.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but the thing, I mean, that's, that's the only way we can do it, right? Because if you have eggs out of an old cow in the tank, the matings already made, it's not like you can take a cow 1137. You can't take her do her to resource or renno. But you can do a resource or a renowned daughter back to EXT or 1 24 or 68 0 7 or pine dry, big sky, whatever you want it. If you have, can find the semen.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

It is interesting. I had a gentleman this weekend on my trips, actually tell me, he said 1137 came up Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

He said, it's interesting how many people have tried to describe maternal maternal's been described by everyone. It's been described by pictures. It's been described by an index now, and for this gentleman, he sees 1137 he said, that's my image of maternal. anybody that doesn't know, just Google Up sits ever elda in tents. 1137. Um, really impactful cow of the breed. And, um, but this gentleman, um, he said, you know, the pictures I'm seeing of maternal would not have been called maternal in the nineties or the two thousands, but they are today.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

a hundred years. Yep.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

how those shifts have happened and he feels like we need a little bit more of that put back into'em, which is another reason I thought about this transition piece is it's you hope you don't get to the point of a correction. You don't want to get to a correction. Um, staying relevant in the marketplaces, knowing your customers and what their input goals are and what they need to do to stay profitable so they can keep their lights on. but then also just not the integrity of the breeding value of the products you're selling at the same time.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

I agree with that guy because that's what I've been trying to, I, I wouldn't say I am into the point of correction, but I'd like to see a little more of that in my herd. And, you know, maybe that's, use a little less of a power bull and use a little more of a, um, know, a bull that's gonna throw a little femininity. Um, is that terrible? I don't know, but I know if, if I've got a power cow or a cow that looks like a steer. That's not my, that is not my image of what a cow, a maternal cow or a cow is supposed to look like a female, you know? Um, I, I'm like him. My, my image goes more back to an 1137 that long elegant front end, um, longer neck, bigger bodied, nice utter, um, little finer bone. And that's the thing a lot of people get tore up about, oh, that, that thing don't have any bone. Is it a female or is it a bull? if it's a bull and it don't have any bone, that's one thing. But if it's a female that don't have any bone, that doesn't bother me a bit. I mean.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I think the power round boned cows came into, I guess popularity so much? I never probably told you this. I think it's because they could fix the numbers on a power cow and use a sorry narrow bull in one generation and try to get both.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

So you could,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

is, they got the opposite of what they needed. The sire line was narrow and the wrong kind that had the numbers attached to'em, and the female line was the muscle and the power in the round. And so you got steer looking as you say, Vince, females and you got feminine looking steers. And that's the predicament I see in a lot of cattle.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

but you

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

you guys this. Go ahead. Go ahead

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Well, I was gonna say, you know what I'm talking about,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

100%.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

the females that look like a steer, you've seen them, everybody sees them.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Rising shine.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

about

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

What?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

isn't a bondsman. Yeah, this isn't a bondsman podcast, but, and I don't know enough to be dangerous. I'll tell you guys that. But that's where that stuff applies.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Absolutely.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

deep brisket, shorter

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

fat, all over her. You know, and usually her udder probably looks pretty good'cause it's tight right up to her'cause she hasn't freshened in a long time.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Yeah.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Right. I mean generally that's, that's what we see. But yeah, I know the cow you're talking about. I was gonna tell you guys something that was a really different observation I had on this big trip. So I drove like not a lot, but probably 10 hours, one direction and then four hours another on this weekend. And I saw a ton of cattle, man, I mean a ton. This wedge is getting wide in the Angus Steel Boys. I saw cattle that I really, really liked and then I saw cattle. I really, really did not like and not a lot in between. It wasn't just like these middle cut of just cows anymore. It was either they had some kind to'em and they were the right kind or they looked like the wrong kind to me. And then a lot of those guys and gals had their cattle locked up.'cause it's snowing still. I mean, they're 45 days from turnout some of those people. And so what I see along the road, I see their bulls, the two, three, and 4-year-old bulls. You could tell the programs, you could tell the difference in programs. I'll just put it that way. And there were some bulls that, boy, um, I don't know if it's feeding. I don't know if it's direction of the breed. I don't know what it is. Um, but their older bulls look different. And I don't know if those are the ones like eventually once they reach maturity, they all kind of end up looking that way. I don't think so. I'm just saying that as a disclaimer. Or if their old bulls were better cattle and we've chased certain traits of direction hard enough that. We haven't even fully seen the effects of some of these young SARS being used. What do you think, Corbin? You were agreeing with me.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, I agree with you. Uh, Maya's in here to say hi to me, but I'll try to stay, uh, stay focused for a second. Yeah, so it's amazing. You, you start to see, see what we're doing, um, year over year. I mean, I know there's places that I went to 10 years ago where I went through their, their set of bulls, and then I've been through them and, and the, in the last couple years, and I'm like, holy cow. Whether it's just, in a lot of ways it's, it's, man, we're covering up a lot of problems with feed. I hate to say it, but it's, we're pushing the extreme more and more, and as we push, I'm pulling back and going the opposite way. But it is absolutely insane to me how much we're covering up with feed. And then when you go out in the wild and you start to see some of these bulls that you know where they came from, you know, their origin, and you're like, that is not what that bull looked like two years ago when he sold on sale day.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Do you think,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

too, Corbin. It's your commercial too that you just read. Sorry, Vince.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

you think the longevity in these bulls has gone way down like used to? Last, you know, eight, 10 years, and now you know a bull's toast at the age of four or five. Have you noticed that?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yes. And I think that's management because I think in part we're asking so much of these cattle a young age just for presentation. Um, some cattle do have a longer extended growth pattern too. So I think there's a couple things going on, but right, a lot of this business has become a feeding contest. And you guys know, uh, Vince, you remember when you started, there were thousand and 1100 pound year limb bulls sold all over the country.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Mm-hmm.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

1200 pound year limb bulls sold all over the country. Try to take a picture of those bulls 60 days before his year old birth date and put it in your bull sale catalog and see what your sale average will be.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

had a guy call me today, Gordon Schubert from Kentucky. Uh, he was asking about a bull and I said, I think this bull might work for you. He said, well, you didn't have a picture. He must not be very good. I said, they were young, they were not ready to be pictured and I wasn't gonna get'em fat just to get a picture of him. You know, they're ready now for the sale, but they're, and they're ready for videos. But they weren't, I mean, we took pictures in 60 days ago. Why would I need to get'em presented presentable 60 days ago?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

For that picture in that book.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

But I mean, it's not worth it to me.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Absolutely. And why do

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

day they'll look cooked,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yep. Yep.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

so

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Not only will they look cooked, they'll be cooked and they'll go out and they'll cause you problems and you'll end up having more money in sale credit than you have in sales, which

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Right.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

we don't want that.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

death too that I'm hearing from people is like organ failure, that sort of stuff. And, and also what about developing him to a point of a three-year-old bull? First of all, he has his genetic ability, but then it's been fully realized by the feed in front of him weighing 2,800 pounds, 2,600 pounds. I mean, he ain't gonna breed range cows and he is not gonna breed a lot of, not range cows either,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

And he is gonna run your range cows down.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Yeah, and I think is that the lesson if we wrap it up today is, you know, consider who your customer is and what customer service means Some longevity in that bull means a lot to these folks. Bringing'em along a little bit slow and, uh, but you're gonna have to sacrifice something. You won't be able to take that picture that looks super powerful and you get a call from everybody. But maybe be that everybody who should call on the bulls without pictures and say, what's the deal with this? This looks like it might fit me from a pedigree standpoint or a number standpoint, or, I like your program. Or guys, heaven forbid, I just told you I saw a set of cattle, a lot of cattle I liked and a lot of cattle I didn't like. Get in the truck or have somebody who's in the truck take some pictures for you. Always ask first. You know, I always ask, can I take a picture of this animal or whatever and share it with people. But look at the cattle man. Look at'em if you can.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Absolutely.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Well,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

right. Are we wrapping up?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

yeah, our energy was kind of low for this episode, but we, uh, we've recorded it three freaking times, so apologies.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

The last one was gold though with

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

it was.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

on birth weight. It was so good and it just didn't work. Why don't you guys chatter for just a second. I'm gonna look at Amy's notes'cause there was something else we were supposed to say.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah, there was some stuff in there. I've already glanced through the notes, but

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

the merch.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

we talked about merch.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Oh my God. I lost the text, sir.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

luck on your sale, my man.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Thank you. I hope people come out, uh, April 12th, Leon, Tennessee. If you, the videos are up on CCI. If you are interested or have a question, gimme a shout

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Seriously, though, we're gonna, I'm gonna post something on Facebook here. I'll probably wait till tomorrow afternoon, um, after everybody's listening to the podcast. But if you guys like and share, we'll give away. What do y'all, let's do a hoodie. We'll give away a hoodie, so we'll put that on our Facebook page. Um, be sure it's hattie's boutique.com,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

is it a boutique,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

but boutique way,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

a qua?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I don't,

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Uh,

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I don't,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I don't think Joe's found anything.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

No, we didn't call recover retaining heifers, did we?

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

Yeah,

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

No. And we didn't C, we didn't cover the gingivitis EPD. We're gonna do that in the next

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

we're gonna have to cover those two though.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I guess, yeah.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

right, boys and girls, I gotta go watch Farmer Wants a wife and get caught up.

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

I'm sleepy

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

What?

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Tumor.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Corbin

korbin_2_04-04-2025_200417:

going to bed.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Okay, bye.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

time I got to

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

Say it again. Say it again.

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

Take it

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

One

joe_2_04-04-2025_180405:

I.

vince_2_04-04-2025_200408:

catch y'all next week I.

We will see you next time around the shoot.