Interview with AAA Board Candidate, Kelly Albrecht

This podcast features a discussion between the hosts and guest, Kelly Albrecht, a candidate for the AAA Board of Directors. Topics include transparency in the board meetings, the impact of environmental issues, and the need for improved data accuracy in genetic testing. Albrecht shares his background his viewpoints on the association's direction, and the importance of maintaining trust and profitability within the cattle industry.

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It's, it, it's okay. Cor. So we're sitting here having a discussion on the words Joe knows that we don't know. And if you guys recall the welcome to around the shoot. By the way, how's everybody doing? How's everybody doing? I'm good. I'm good. We've, we've got Kelly here, uh, Kelly Albrecht, and he's gonna, he's gonna hang out with us for a little bit. But, but let's first talk about, um. If you're gonna bring a word to the table that, that you think that your other co-host should know, I believe that word has to have a definition that's less than two sentences long, true or false. I, I mean, I don't know. I'm not very smart, so my, my thesaurus or whatever it is, is not very big. So do you want me to give you a list of big words? Yeah. I'm gonna give you the list right now. The list of big words? Yes. The big words that I might say during this podcast. Did you get your, yeah. Did you get a text from Bo? No, no, no. Yes you did. Yes you did. No. What'd he say? What'd he say? You got a text from bolo. Yes. You did. Yeah, but it might have been incoherent. He sent a, he sent a word and you were supposed to look that word up. Oh, that word means like someone who uses big words all the time, and it's like, what's, say the word, uh. I sort of feel like the kid at this spelling contest, it would be like, I need to know the origin of the word. Yeah. So this, to be able to pronounce it because payback for. P Alien. Yeah. He didn't send it to me. I feel left out. Uh, thanks. Well, he didn't, he only sent it to me because, uh, we were talking about, uh, the podcast and he really enjoyed it. Okay, so I intend to, to perhaps say, I might say the word transparency, if you need to Google that meant transparent, trans, um, trans. Now wait a minute. Fight starts with a Q and all in California. Trans words mean something different than they in Tennessee and Oklahoma. Yep. I'm gonna get canceled again. Documentation. Documentation, that's, that has like three syllables if you clap. Documentation does, that's way more than three, four. And it might hit document. I don't even know what's, I can't even, what's on the table and what's off with you guys anymore? It's all game. It's all fair game. Mute it. And you guys roll. How about that? No, there he is. PC Patrick's coming back out. You're gonna be the animal that takes this whole thing over. You know what? The listeners, I, I wanna say something though real quick. Uh, just from Brooke Miller, the first interview that kicked off of these Angus Board of Director candidates, super popular. Absolutely. I mean, we've had more downloads in the past week than we've had in a long, long time, and it's just skyrocketing. So thank you listeners for, for spending time with us and getting to know these candidates. I really want to thank the candidates for taking the time to be super open and letting us get to know them. And it's funny because. None of the candidates have said this, but we've said amongst each other, you know, like, how can we ask the right questions and how can we do this or that? Really it's about just getting to know these people. You know, that's, that's what right to me guys, that's what the membership wants. They want to know who their director is. And then once you know who they are, you can live on the fact that maybe they'll make a decision every once in a while that's different than what you would've done. But if you know them and you trust them and you respect them and their operation, then you know that their, your best interest is always at the top of their mind. Um, that's right. So I, I thought, uh, episode one was a big hit. I'm really, really excited about episode two. They did not tune in to hear. Us three dudes talk about my use of appropriate words and your lack of understanding. And so you could Google understanding too if you want. Uh, Gordon, why don't you lead in our guest really, really excited about this one and, and I want to hear more about his program and, and learn about it too. Well, I'm excited to, uh, welcome Kelly Albrecht into the Around the Shoot podcast. This is our, this is now officially our second guest. And so, uh, uh, I think we've had 20 something maybe. How many, how many episodes have we had? 15. 15, uh, 15, 15 episodes. And we're on our second guest, so I think we're doing pretty good on, uh, we haven't met our quote yet. I think we get to do this a few times. We've earned the, uh, we've earned the right to interview a couple people and get to know some people. And this is a perfect opportunity because the board of directors. Seats are coming open and there's a vote if you hadn't heard that's coming up. And, uh, all the delegates from, from every state are supposed to get together in Kansas City the first weekend in November. And, uh, I'm excited to welcome in. Kelly Albrecht, uh, he's gonna be on the ballot, uh, without further ado. How's it going? Kelly, tell us a little bit about yourself. Real good. And I wanna thank you guys for, for inviting me to come on here Corbin and, and Vince and Joe. Um, really appreciate that. Well, I grew up in southern Utah., we run on, oh BLM and Forest Service out there. We run on 40 square miles of BLM and then we trailed those cows 70 miles to the forest service in the summer. And, uh, so we set on a horse six days a week. I went to college in, Southern Utah University in Cedar City, Utah. I worked at the sale barn down there and I, I got to order buying cattle and, buying roping steers and calves and leasing them out and Done some leasing, some cutting, cutting cattle out that went to Las Vegas and different events. And so that's kind of how I got started. My dad gave me my first cow when I was five years old. And when I graduated from high school, I had about, uh, I'd put a together about 30 head of cows. And, uh, that's kind of how I got my start. And then, I ended up buying one of my brothers out and,, me and my other brother and my dad run cows for a while. And then we bought my dad out and we run it for quite a while. And then in 2002, um, we sold out and me and my wife moved to Oklahoma. We didn't know anybody We moved out here and bought a ranch. We kind of got tired of fighting with, the government over different issues. We run about 400 commercial and registered cows out here. And, we have a bull cell every year in February and. I partner with Jeff Penns and, we have the presidents today in SEL every February. So that's, that's awesome. I think, I think sometimes it takes a entire family move to really kind of jumpstart, jumpstart your imagination and just to reinvigorate life for you. So what was it like, you know, you've got a young daughter, I think you had, did you have one or two daughters by then? And then you're moving. We had two daughters when we moved out here in 2002. Uhhuh. Yeah. And you're moving, you're moving cross country and you're a young family. Um, that's, that has to be the best decision you ever made, huh? Well, at the time, my wife wasn't real thrilled. But, she come and, we were just looking for private land and, you know, people don't understand,, the pressure, running cattle on government land and, you know, all that goes with that. I mean, my grandpa. Had cleaned out some ponds with a horse and scraper, and, the government would, you know, it'd take you five years to go in and clean up, you know, to fix that pond, you know, to get an environmental impact. Study an Indian artifact study, an endangered species study. I think the nepa, I think there was five of'em, I can't remember, but it, it was a five year process to go fix a pond that had been, you know, washed out or whatever. And,, There's, there's a lot to have private ground and, be your own. Yeah. It's a different world, you know, it's, it's a different world. It's a lot different here than it was out there for sure. Yeah. Kelly, are, are your girls involved at the ranch? No, they're not. Um, my oldest daughter's, uh, we actually got two gr group, two granddaughters now, so Oh, wow. Uh, she's married and, and lives in Utah and my. My second oldest, Carly, she's getting married, uh, the end of the month here. Oh, congratulations. That's awesome. Yeah. So, Kelly, for me, before we move on to this, uh, to talking more about you as a candidate, um, I'm curious, who's your customer? So you move that far. I mean, do you still sell a lot of bulls back out into those permit type country people? You obviously expanded, we sell a lot of bulls, um, into Utah, um, New Mexico back, you know, back in the west. We try to raise a lot of our cattle. For that high elevation out there. Um, we pap tested all of them and the start of my herd actually come from Grand Mesa, Colorado, and they were all pap tested. And uh, so yeah, we do send a lot of, lot of bulls back, uh, west. So we breed a little different than maybe most breeders. I mean, we try to, you know. Keep them cattle a little more moderate, maybe, um, thick, deep, easy, doing kind of cattle with some base width and, that can get out and travel, and still,, have the mothering ability. Um, we just like those. Easy doing cattle that, you know, will work in any environment. Um, those big hard doing cattle out there, just wouldn't breed back. And, they have to have good feet, good legs, and be able to move. They absolutely have to be able to travel. They have to be able to. Yeah. You know, a lot of times they're going a long way to water, so I mean it's, it's, it's a lot of movement in one day. So, um, but yeah. So, so now we, we fast forward to today. It is August and you've decided to run for the American Angus Association Board of Directors. I mean, that has to be, I would like to know what made you come to that decision? Well, well that's kind of a hot topic there, but, um. I had a lot of guys asking me, um, I tried to get some other guys to run, honestly. I never really aspired to be on the board. But I, I think when you start, Admitting, I guess basically to, in my mind, that cattle are a problem. I think, uh, we're going in the wrong direction. Um, I, I believe in climate change. I think it's been changing since, man came here. But I don't think cattle are a problem with the climate. If we need to. Look at climate change, we probably need to look at some of these wildfires out west and maybe the management of the government, you know, and why, why they're so big. Or maybe go down to Dallas and measure the temperature on a concrete down there. Um, you know, uh, there, there's, there's several things that I think. Maybe causing climate change or global warming, if that's what, that's where we're trying to go with this. But if, if cows were a problem, Buffalo should have been a problem a long time ago.'cause there's a lot more buffalo than there are cows. I want you guys to write this down. Methane makes up 0.00017 of the atmosphere. That's 1.7 parts per million. So we're being asked to spend millions of dollars in my mind for something that's bullshit. It cycles out in a decade. So what are we spending millions of dollars for on this?, It just doesn't make any sense to me. I just don't believe that Bezos is in this for the right reasons. Um, I have a hard time with this. Maybe it's the transparency part. We still don't know exactly, what was signed where this deal went. I would like to keep this going for my son, and that's why I stepped in the ring. I think, this is basically letting the cat out of the bag and we can't put it back in. And, once you open that door, is it gonna be. The vaccination or is it gonna be fake meat? I mean, where are we going with this? And, I'm really disappointed I guess, in where the board went with this and, and maybe it's just because I don't have all the information, but we haven't seen that and I'd sure like to see it You hate to see something you love. Take a direction that you feel is not. Becoming of what? Of what lifestyle that you enjoy. So I, I mean, I think that most people understand your frustration and where that frustration comes from. Um, and so I think that when you make the decision to run, um, I think what you're saying to people is, is, man, I, I want to help y'all out and I want, I want to do things that are the right way because obviously you, you've told me and you've told both of these guys that you had no interest in running whatever, you never would ever want to be in this position. No, I, I don't, but I, I think the Angus Association needs a turn,? And, I think there needs to be some guys with,, some common sense on there and, and you know, being, be able to, to do what the producers need and the commercial cow calf, the guy needs absolutely. I'm excited to get to know you more as we, we answer more questions here, Kelly, because I don't think that your worldview is a common one in most boardrooms. Um, these guys gave me hell for saying big words, but that's my worldview. Kelly. My worldview is big permit country and it is dealing with entities that are constantly levying more and more things on top of you and suffocating you. And you're kind like, and then, uh, you know, there's a study on sage grouse just come out and there's studies on spotted owls and we, we battled both of those things when I was a kid and, um. Now they're saying cattle grazing is beneficial to that. And we're going, gosh, we knew that all along, but what about the family farms that were hammered in the meanwhile? And so, right. I think the perspective you're trying to share is one that is important to have in boardrooms where somebody who has experienced these things who said, I've been at the rooftop screaming this is not an issue, and then have'em back to me 20 years later and say, oh yeah, by the way, it wasn't an issue. Um, I mean, is that kind of where. Does that make sense to you? Well, it's Joe. I mean, you've been out in that big country and you know what the wolves are doing now. Oh my God. I mean, look, look at the destruction they're doing with the, you know, the deer, the elk, we all know that was a bad idea. Um, you know, how many cattle are they killing? I mean, horses, you know, all the livestock that they're killing sheep, everything. Um, you know, anybody with any common sense know it was a bad idea. But here we are. But there's a lot of good cattlemen, Kelly, there's a lot of them that never got vocal about this issue until it's reached critical mass, because they never thought it would be an issue for them. And I think that's, a lot of these issues are the, the, the problem is, is the government comes in and tells you, oh, it's gonna be okay. And oh, that, you know, the, the wolves aren't gonna be a problem killing livestock. You know, oh, we're gonna, you know it in, in our right where we run cows in the winter there. I mean, we had buffalo. On the Henry Mountains and, there's just so many issues with the buffalo. I mean, the buffalo are terrible for the, for the grass. I mean, most people don't know this, but, like when a buffalo walks in sandy ground, they walk in a straight line. Every buffalo walks in a straight line. Cows zigzag when they walk, buffalo walk in a straight line. And when that, when they walked through sandy ground, where we had our cows in the winter. They walk while they're eating and they'll pull up the grass by the roots, and they walk in a straight line. Well, Buffalo are hard on sandy ground where we run our cows in the winter. I mean, they pull up all of that, Indian rice grass and stuff. And so anyway, it, it's a big problem in the fish and game out there. They're supposed to count and have 400 buffalo, well they have 800 buffalo or, you know, whatever it is. They just ruin the ground and they tear up the water and stuff like that. And people don't understand like how big a deal that is to, to ranchers and because they've never been there and they've never seen the impacts of, you know, what goes on. Um, and the government's not always in your best interest. And a lot of these outside entities are definitely not. I think you just, the Sierra Club, the Wilderness Alliance, you know, all of this, all of these outside entities are. They're terrible for the livestock industry for sure. I think you just perfectly described our relationship as well. I don't know if we're the majority, I don't know, but it's, it's our, our collective us for for sure. And I know a lot of other people, our, that's sort of our philosophy, is we are the people and then the American Angus Association is the government. I feel like in a lot of ways they're acting on our behalf and telling us what we need and what's better. But just like what you're talking about, it kind of turns into what it's turned into, um, where you don't feel like you're heard. And so that's why we're here. That's why you're here. I think there's a lot of members that feel that way, you know, they're just not being heard and, and they don't, you know, they don't feel like they have a voice anymore. And, I kind of see where they're coming from and we'd like to, we'd sure like to make transparency, a lot better and, maybe put zoom in the boardrooms and see what we could do to help with transparency for sure. I think that, uh, if you polled everyone, I think that would be the number one problem is transparency. And I think you've mentioned one good way of fixing it is. Is to just make the board room, the, the meetings public. I think that's something we could do. That's pretty simple. But, um, I think that if, if the right person got in there, like, you know, if Kelly re, if Kelly Albrecht's a board member, I don't think Kelly Albrecht has any problem telling people what's going on in those board meetings. No, I mean, I think all the members should be able to, you know, say just what we're talking about, either Zoom or be able to read the minutes afterwards. Um, I don't know whatever needs to happen to bring the membership back in the boardroom, maybe even video. I. Maybe could even video it and play it, you know, have it recorded or have the whole thing recorded so you could watch the whole thing. Absolutely. So, you know, we've talked a lot about some of the transparency stuff and, and making some changes. And I'm kind of just going down the list and I don't wanna make this official, but I think this could open up to you talking for a little bit. What is AAA's job? What do you think their role should be for all of us? Uh,, to protect and promote the Angus Breed., That means genetics, data integrity, member support. I don't think it should be involved in environmental lobbying carbon markets or methane reduction schemes. Actually. I think our focus should be on profitability, you know, for the commercial cattle guy and, empowering breeders to guide the breed's future. What are, uh, what are your thoughts on, I don't know. One that we get from a lot of members is about the genomic world and who owns data and who doesn't, and, and, uh. A shift towards production traits and not a sh stay on the cutting edge. What are your thoughts in kind of that space and having cattle that. I know that you genomic test your cattle, um, or some of them, and I know that you run bulls out to big country. Um, how do you feel about that whole scene and, and direction of breed improvement within the breed? Well, I mean,, I think the genomics are a good thing. I mean, I think we're a long ways from, you know. Having'em be accurate? Honestly, Joe, um, I, I think we got a long ways to go. I mean, you know, every year I think it's gonna get better. As far as the genomics go, I don't think that the Angus Association ought to be able to sell our, uh, genomic, you know, a GI ought to be able to sell it or. Or give that out without the breeders, um, boating on it or having, having some kind of, knowledge of where it's going, you know, be able to boat on what they're doing with the data. Um, so, I believe the genomics are a good thing, honestly. I mean, I think for, for long term,. I think it's gonna be good for the breed,, I think we need to work more on getting that accuracies is where it needs to be, honestly. Because I mean, I've seen, uh, I'll give you an example, we got a book called Checkered Flag, uh, that we sold in our sale a couple years ago. Like, I'd have to look. But anyway, he scanned a 6.24 Joe on IMF. All right. This was his ax, actual, they adjusted him to a 6.1. Actual IMF. Where do you think the data is on that bull? Well, I would probably cheat and say he probably comes from a Paxton, so line. Uh, yeah, well, he, he goes back to Charlo, so, yep. So I will tell you that I did some early, I'm, I'm, I'm answering this in a way, roundabout way, which if you've listened to our podcast, you know, I do. Um, and, and I had the owner, one of the owners of a son of Charlo, actually. Think I was on the reverse of this subject, but I've been on this Paxton thing for a long time. Back in the identity, one through 10 days when that was all that we had. Um, I think it was called the 3 84 test or the 3 48 test or something like that. I don't remember. But there were so many traits. I had a lot of cattle. I had some of the very first paxton's ever born, and they were super high for marbling on that test. But then as more and more data came in for some reason. Those cattle got pounded down and we actually see in the phenotypes of those cattle when we've harvested cattle here that they marble incredibly well. And so I would say that the data on your checkered flag bull is that he is well below breed average, probably in the bottom 25%, and the actual phenotypes of the bull in his offspring are gonna be very contrary to that data. Well, he's right at a zero for, for IMF. And we, and, and I, I guess this is, this is my problem with genomics is because the older genetics are not what they should be. And I talked to our Angus rep and, uh., Basically told me that, you know, because he is older genetics. That's why he is like that. Well, to me that's a bullshit deal because you know, if it's right, it's right. If the, if, if the genomics are right, it should be straight up. I would agree. And, you know, whether, whether, and I think that's an opportunity, whether the old genetics, whether they're new to genetics, it shouldn't matter. That's an opportunity you just highlighted though. I wanna pull it out so that listeners hear it. But the opportunity is, let's get it right. Let's get it right. Let's work on that. Hundred percent. Let's get it right. There's some cattle out there that marble that a number says they don't. Let's get it right. I mean, well, well, well, here's my problem with it, Joe, is so we use some, some higher marbling bulls in our cell every year to try to draw the Texas crowd, because the Texas crowd is a little different. I mean, they use. They use a lot of these higher marbling cattle on, you know, some crossbred cows to get'em, you know, to grade. And I get that. I mean, I understand that whole, the whole deal. And, and so we use some higher marbling genetics, but we had some in our catalog that same year they scanned a, a. Less than a 3.5. I can't remember what it was, but right outta 3.5 was their scan. Their actual scan, and they're over a 1.5 marbling. So you tell me how that works. In the same catalog, the same cattle, the only thing that was different was their pedigrees and then the marketplace. There's been a lot of differentiation and value between those numbers too. Which I'm sure frustrating. That's what I'm saying. I mean, but, but the actual scan data doesn't match the genomics, and that's the problem I have. Yep. I I They don't don't the actual scan data to be because they're older genetics to put into that, that figure. And it's harming the breed. Absolutely. It is. Well, uh, I think it's, it's very evident that. Up until now, the members of the American Inc Association have been pretty quiet. Um, I think when the delegate voting comes up, a lot of us more, were pretty, uh, I can be honest and say that, that this is the first year that I've ever even voted. Uh, I never, I never really associated, I never really knew a lot of people on the delegate list anyways. And, um, I've never been to Kansas City for the. For the convention. So it's just tough for me to get away. It's tough for me to feel like I'm involved, but I think it's time for a change. How do, but how do we get, how do we get the membership to be the opposite of how I was, that was, uh, that was not engaged? How do we get the membership involved? Um. That's a great question. I mean, h how, how do you get the members more involved? I wonder if they think they don't have a voice., Anymore. It's kind of been the same group of people that,, year after year get,, as delegates and, yeah. Uh, so, you know. Do they think they're wasting their time, even voting? I mean, I, I don't know. I just think people get busy. Um. They think the Angus Association's got their best interest at hand. They don't pay any attention to it, honestly. I? If you get, um, if you get elected, and something like this methane deal was to come across, would you be willing to stand up and say no if you didn't believe in it? Absolutely. Good. Yeah, well, I, I mean, and, and maybe some people did it Sure didn't look like it with a unanimous deal, but, um, I, I know that is on a lot of people's minds. You know, if whoever we get elected in there, if they're willing to stand up, and say, look, this is not right. Yeah, I have no problem standing up and doing the right thing. I mean, I think Corbin's known me long enough to know that, but Absolutely, absolutely. I think, I think that we can all trust that this is something, if something goes down, first off, I don't think Kelly would be scared to, to tell people what went down in the boardroom. I don't think there would be any of this, silence coming outta the boardroom. I, I think we would hear from you. We would know exactly what went on in there. And I think that we need more transparency like that. That's just, it's, I'd love to sugarcoat everything that's gone on, but, but trans, just some transparency and some honesty would really solve a lot of our problems. It's pretty simple that, that's what I don't get about this whole deal is, is if this was such a good deal for, for the cattlemen, um, the members of the American Angus Association, the commercial cattlemen. Why aren't these guys out there every week jumping up on the stump saying, look, this is the five reasons that it's a good idea for the industry, for the American Angus Association, for the Commercial Cattlemen. This is what we did here with this Bezos. Money is a good idea and it's gonna, it's gonna be profitable for all of you guys. If this was such a good idea, why aren't we hearing about this like. Uh, I guess that's my question and I think it's, it's kind of the tip of the iceberg too. I mean, this is just sort of what's kind of got our eyes open, but I think there's so much more stuff going on and, and, and there's going to be more issues like this in the future. And, uh, ultimately we need to have some, some say we need to have some tra, we need to know what's going on in there. And I think that that's all we can ask from, from the people running on for the board is, is man, just communicate with us. Right. I agree. So Kelly, I got one that, uh, you know, this isn't a prepared question or anything, but I think you can answer it just in a conversation here. I mean, you get elected, um, have a convention, have a good turnout, everything, uh, goes the way you've intended and, uh, you get elected and then we're sitting here a year from now. What would it look like that you'd call it a real big success that you got on the board? How would you feel? Really, really good and like you had a big positive impact. What, what are some things that would've transpired or, or not? Or, you know, I don't know. You kind of get where I'm going with this. Um. Well, just kind of going back to what we just talked about, I would say, you know, to me, I would like to get the older genetics back, and I don't know how the formulas work at a GI, I don't know, you know, anything. But, we've got to get back to the, you know, just because they're older genetics doesn't mean they're not good. And I, to me, that that's a big deal because it, it affects our profitability. And I get that the way the system's set up that, They set it up to sell more cattle. I get that. I a hundred percent, you know, the new genetics, we gotta keep moving, you know. But to me, I think I would really like to see, the genomics be more accurate in all cattle, whether they're older genetics, whether they're younger, genetic, it shouldn't matter to me. Um, I, I just think that that needs to get. A lot more accurate. And I don't know exactly how to do that because I haven't been in the boardroom, but that would be a success for me. That would be one of the things that I, I would call a success. Now, the transparency thing would be, you know, for sure I, you know, I'd, I'd love to see the transparency, um, if I can help with that. Um, if we could get it, on Zoom or,, something like that., I think that would be, a big deal for me. Um. Man, I, I just, I also think that we need to look at the environmental issues, the outside money. Um. Man, that's a not a good deal, if it's against the cattle, you know, producers mine and yours. Bottom line is, is the way I see it and this Bezos money is a bad deal and I don't know if there's anything I could do to fix that or that, that would be a success for me too. So. I think that's well said. You guys have another one, Corbin. You know, I think, uh. What I really appreciate about you is how you're not afraid to bring that worldview and that uniqueness of how you guys produce cattle and how you were raised. And you're humble enough to know that you don't have all the answers, but you do have your perspective and your opinion which matters. And I appreciate that. Kelly. I got, I got one other question that's not on the list. Uh, throw a curve ball at you. I'm guessing you run this by your wife. Um. What'd she say when you said, Hey, should I run for the board? Or, or did she say, you better go run for the board and protect our investment? Or what did that process look like? She's like, have you thought about this? She is a bad idea. She's, and, and, and I, I mean, I understand that, we're kind of jumping in the fire on this deal because there's a lot going on. There's a lot of emotion. Um. There's a lot of mad commercial guys. There's a lot of registered guys that aren't very happy with, what's going on, and, um. You know, I did run it by my wife. Um, she thought I'd lost my mind probably, but she, she backs whatever, what, whatever I wanted to do. And she said, you know, I'll, I'll stand with you and do whatever it takes and, we'll, we'll try to make this deal work. So, you know, you had made mention about these commercial guys being mad and, um, you and I had talked, uh, before on the phone about. And, and not only, you had heard it from some other people about, um, a lot of these commercial guys saying that they're not gonna run Angus Bulls. Do you think that can be corrected? Oh, absolutely, I do. You know,, we watched what happened to Bud Light. Um, you know, and I definitely have heard some commercial guys mention that. And, uh, you know, that's, that's a black eye to the Angus Association. Honestly. I mean, you know, I've had some commercial guys call me and say that they're gonna buy herford bulls. Um, I've had one guy call me and said that he is gonna buy, uh, balancers some Plat Vy bull. Um, they're not happy and, it's gonna affect our bottom line. I don't know what it's gonna do, to these bull cells in the spring, but, uh, I definitely think, you know, there's gonna be an effect. I don't know, you know, how much, and I actually think, I want to chime in a little because I think I've, when I've had this same conversation, Kelly with. Either past board members or current board members. It's kinda like, um, nobody said this directly to me, but it's inferred. Uh, Vince, look up the word inferred because I know you won't know the definition, but, um, sorry, I had to. Mm-hmm. But. It's like we're scared. It's like a guy like me is scared about what's gonna happen to my market. Share whatever it, it's not about me being scared about Brewing Ranch or Kelly Alrich being scared about, you know, Alrich Angus. It's more about those guys put their trust in our products and they put our, their trust in our word and who we are, and they will. The only reason they're still in business is on principle, frankly, especially out west. And those are heavily principled people that when they feel crossed or not supported. Kelly, you've run them permit deals. Yep. You've been in bars out West. It's different. Yep. Is it not? Oh, a hundred percent. But you know, out there the. You look a guy in in the eye and shake his hand, it means something. And you know these guys trust the Angus Association. Basically. You know what I see? What happened is they admitted that cattle were a problem. With taking this Bezos money. And that's the way the commercial guys see it. They, you know, basically the Angus Association, the big association in the country admitted that Angus cattle are a problem. And now me and you and everybody else that has Angus cattle an any cattle for that matter have got, you know, for the rest of our lives, we're gonna be doing something, trying to negate what they did. So. I think you've done a good job sharing with us who you are and, and what you stand for. Um, I think the things that you've shared have resonated with a large portion of the membership, especially the folks that we see reaching out online. But I think that there's more there and I think that, uh. I'd really encourage folks to reach out to Kelly. Um, we're not gonna put your phone number on here'cause you might get weird calls'cause who knows what kind of listeners this, this deal. But, but you could do an internet search. Um. You know, Kelly, maybe, maybe share your website where people can go and find your info. It's, it's, yeah, it's alrich ranch.com, so that's a very easy, my phone number's on there. Um, I'd be glad to hear from you anytime. You know, and, and that's, I've been, anybody's got any questions? I'm sorry to cut you off. I, I've enjoyed those conversations with you, things like that. Um, you know, what you'll get with Kelly is a guy who straps these boots on every day and goes to work and takes care of cows and knows commercial cattlemen, knows his own cows, and knows what it liked to, to raise cattle out west. And so I, uh, I was one of those guys though, Kelly, that didn't listen to the call. You know, um, you know, you, you talked to us about a lot of people saying, please run. And, and I appreciate you. Prioritizing that for, for some of us who can't feel like we're there yet. Um, and it's, it's a bold move and I'm thankful for you and I'm thankful for a lot of the other candidates. And, um, is there, is there anything else you want to add, or, or your, your info will be in the journal too, correct? Yeah. Yes. It'll be in the journal and, I just like to, go back to, what you said. If anybody's got any questions on,, how I feel and, you know, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. You might not like what I'm gonna tell you. But, um, I will definitely tell you what I think and, uh, you know, Anytime I will definitely be transparent with, uh, anybody on, on any issue or you know, what's going on. So I mean. At anytime, if I do get elected or if I don't, I mean, I'd, I'd love to hear from you. That's, I think that's the greatest thing with it, you know, being a part of the Angus Association is the friends you meet and the relationships you make. And, you know, it's, it's a, it's about good cattle, but it's also about really good people. And you meet, you meet a lot of really good people. Um. Most of my best friends are,, in the cattle business. And, it's a family deal and, I think we all just need to work on, better cattle keeping our word and keeping Angus cattle first, so, yeah. Absolutely. Well, I would like to say thank you for running and I would also like to thank you for coming on here as well. Well, thanks Vince. I appreciate that and I, I, I appreciate you guys' time for sure. Yeah, hopefully next time, uh, hopefully next time we get to have a chat with you. It's, it's, uh, after a board meeting or, or, you know, putting into practice some of the stuff that, that we are all so excited to, to do. I mean, I think we would all love to be able to hear you after a board meeting, tell us exactly what went on in there. I mean, I, I think it'd be a breath, fresh air. And I think that Kelly's, Kelly's the type of person that's gonna be that breath of fresh air for, for us, when we need it. So, Kelly, uh, I can't thank you enough for coming on And for running. And, hopefully everything goes like it's supposed to. Thanks Corbin. I, well, that was fun and I appreciate Kelly Albert coming on and, and, uh, sitting and chatting with us. So what have you guys been doing this week? It's so hot outside here. November by at 10:00 AM at 10:00 AM The past couple days it's been 102. Feels like it's like you can't, you go outside and then you're just sweating like what the, when is it gonna cool off? When does it. Oh, I hate. So what, what do you guys think about the people that say that? Um, they say that a hundred degrees is better than 32 degrees. That is stupid. I think they're stupid. They're very stupid. They would rather be, it'd be 115 than 32. That is, yes. Yeah, but who is that? They, they not they, them. Just they, there's, there's some silly people out there that prefer No, I mean, I like not having to feed cows, but at the same time, I'd rather feed cows than die. When I walk outside. They're not, uh, they're definitely not working outside. Have you, have you not had this cool front that we had last week, Corby? No. It's, it's, it's, it's, I would've thought you would've had it maybe four or five days before me. No, it's almost like I walk outside and I pull my pants down and I'm sitting right on the sun. Bare ass. Yeah, that's what it feels like outside. It's unbelievably hot. It's, I mean, you walk right outside and you break out into a sweat just stepping out the door. I mean, it's, it's eight 30 right now and it's, um, well first off, the height day was 104. Real, and it was like 118 feels like, yeah, but it was, yeah. So dumb. But it's, it's 93 and feels like 1 0 6 and it's dark outside. Oh, it's only 83 here. It feels like 88. 93 Feels like 1 0 6 at 8:30 PM Joe, what you got? I don't know. I haven't looked it up. I was busy looking at something else here, but it has been so doggone nice here. I feel embarrassed even telling you guys. I think it says it's 81 right now. It's been kind of breezy. Uh, last week was tough. Last week was hot. Hot. It was miserable. And we are calving right now. Um, Calvin, you said Calvin, you said, why did you say calving? Did you say calving? Did you say Joe? What babies are you having? Yeah. Legions. You any legions? I haven't had a baby yet. Um, yeah. The cows, no, we don't have any legions'cause we never got semen in time. Whatever. I got it there right away. Lickety split. Yeah. But that would've been if we were having 1st of September AI dates. And so yes, you did get it there in time. Um, but we do not have any legions, two sisters to Legion Cab though. And they're pretty sporty. They're pretty sporty. Um, went down to dad's yesterday. There's a ton of fellows down there and a ton of Gatsby's, which those are broom bulls. Um. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I have a, would you guys call me? You call me. Pissy Pete or something a second ago. Oh, that's pretty good. It was pissy Patrick, though. Pissy Patrick. But you could be pissy Pete, whatever it was, he was piss. But that was be, that was before we came on and interviewed Kelly. But now that we're afterwards, I'm, I'm just really, you're feeling it, you're feeling it. He's in a, a better mood now. He is. I'm, I already have this reputation with, with I know another person. Did you run outta coffee? Another person? Is that why you're starting to be PCP again? Maybe. Yes. Okay. Whatever. Um, I just like my own stuff. I don't even know if it's better. I don't even know, you know, they, it just meets my eye more. Um, these influence daughters have caved and. Yeah. There's no surprises with them. They're exactly what they thought they'd be. And I'm not saying they're gonna be earth movers or anything, but they're just nice cattle. They, they look exactly like influence's. Mom. Did the fellows look exactly like fellow's mom did? Um, I mean, I just, I don't know. It's, it is interesting because won't this, this banter will be after Kelly. Yeah, yeah. Or no. So in that interview, we talked a lot about a lot of different things. Um, I wanna say that I've been a little bit lately exhausted about some of the quote, cutting edge genus talk. It doesn't excite me to think about the new hot young sis anymore. I agree. I just like screw all that stuff. Give me something. Gimme some Neapolitan ice cream. That's what I want, Vince. I do like that. I do like that simple. Black, white, pink, different flavors that correspond to the colors. I don't need the very Jerry Cherry, Rocky road like, you know, super troopers. Yeah. I don't need, I don't need a pineapple pizza. I mean, I do like pineapple. I like pineapple and momentum. What do you just put pineapple on your pizza? I don't need any of that. But what I'm just saying is like, I just want cattle to get back to the basics and don't cause many problems. And, and a lot of my own cattle do that. A lot of my friend's cattle do that. A lot of the really exciting hot glitz and glamor stuff, guys, I'm gonna let someone else prove that stuff from now on. It's expensive. Um, and that's not even considering all the, uh, sort that comes along with them cattle, um, you know, honestly, some of our cleanup, sire are doing a great job here. Those calves look good. Um, kids have been helping quite a bit, so that's been fun. Um, did they go back to school? Well, yeah, but they go to homeschool. Yeah, but they're having to start back. Yeah. So we're trying to figure out how they can come with me in the mornings and then midday when it's hot, maybe they'll do some schoolwork or something just so that they're involved more in the operation. Um, I think this, uh, this fall we're gonna be helping down at my dad's quite a bit more, which is good. It's good to be around my family. I mean, you gotta. Find your blessings and be very thankful. We're getting ready for a bull sale. I dunno if you guys have heard that. Um, good. Ch Oh, I got a flyer in the mail about it. It looked very well. I did too. I liked it. Yeah, I did get it. I did get it. Did you like the envelope with the bricks? Yeah. Oh, I didn't see that was I opened it. I was like, I don't even know if I'm distinguished enough to touch this envelope. Amy opened it and put it on the counter so I didn't get to see the envelope. The envelope bricks on it that Shana did. It was, it was pretty cool. And so catalog first proof, uh, should be out here in a week or so, and then we'll get it up online. And there's been lots of commercial interest and you know, bulls are doing bull things. I'm always, uh, balling nerves this time of year and I'm just trying to. All four wheels on the asphalt. I, uh, I had shared that in Snapchat and all my buddies were like, how did you get a catalog already? I've been looking online, and it's not even online. I was like, it wasn't a catalog, it was just a flyer. Well, and I'll tell you when it is online, it'll be@www.brewingranch.com, three Ws two, and www. I have three Ws. Three Ws. That'll be at brew ranch ww com. Brewing ranch.com. Okay. Yeah, but anybody reach out to me, you know, like we did stuff. I'm sorry. That was awesome. You were saying. And this is the Joe Promote sale episode, which I hate. I don't, I don't. That wasn't on the agenda. What have you guys been doing? What have you been doing, Vince? Besides smoking a whole bag of freaking pumpkin. Hey, this guy, this guy, didn't you have a calf? No, no, no, no, no. We are not. We're gonna talk about this, talking about this guy ate a bag of candy, corn that's in the shape of a pumpkin. Now that's not quite fair. Amy ate part of it. You blame it on Amy? I just, I only had a little bit of them. I had about that much. So why don't you at the rest, Amy, that bag is empty. Amy ate the rest. No. Yeah, you no need to get out of Nate's room. Stop eating his sweetss. I'm almost outta roll loads. I don't know what, what I'm gonna do. You think you'll notice? Yeah. You think you'll notice? Yeah. Did you ask if I had a calf? Did you have a calf? Corbin? I had a fall calf, so I turned out holy water with the fall heifers in like. Uh, November 24th or something. And we already had a calf today. It was August 18th, man. He went straight to work, went right to it. He went out there and bred her like right off the truck. So, uh, yeah, a little holy water. Oh, I've got this O2 two cow. That's really cool. She's a black cap and um, she's an advanced 20 eights, and so this is a daughter of hers at this cabin, and it's just really cool to see generational pedigrees and how that's all taken shape and. And how you can make those cattle a little bit better generation to generation. And then, and then the cool thing is, is you go out there and look at this cow's U and you're like, ah, she looks just like her mom. And so it's just pretty exciting. It's pretty exciting. Times ance. What, other than, other than eating the rollos, we know that you aren't eating at the bistro.'cause you said it was hot or there was a cold front, so No. Did he get the, he got the AC going. Oh, he's a listener. Oh, dude. He got, he smoked a Turkey breast and made a Turkey club and that sucker was that big. It was so good. Hmm. Oh, it was so good. So did he use just like a, a wall unit as recommended by the LU podcast or what did he do? No, he got actual unit. Oh wow. And did some duct work, but it's still not enough to cool it, but it's as hot as it's been, but it's, it's cooler. It's, it's tolerable. You're not gonna go, it's not like my house, but it's definitely cool. Yeah, it's cool enough to go in there and eat and relax a minute while you're on a hot day. Well, so go ahead. No, I didn't have anything you said. So with a pause like you're getting ready to say something. Can y'all have there I was gonna wrap this up. This, I was gonna wrap this thing up and just tell people, keep reaching out. Uh, you know, we got a, I don't even know how to get ahold of these people, but, um, you know, I did hear from one member who some of the people were, who are incumbents running. I'm not gonna track these people down. I'm sorry, but like it would be nice if, if you know those folks and they would like to be heard on around the shoot, we'll g, we'd love to talk to'em. Yeah, we wanna talk to everybody that's a candidate. Um, ONTAP, who's our next one? Corbin. Logan Sampson I think is who we decided to do. Now, Logan Sampson from Ruby Valley. Then who do you got after that? And then we've got Robert Groom and then Brian Palmer. He's got a very unique story. The Robert Groom guy. Pretty cool we got, and then we've got Brian Palmer. So we've got those Palmer scheduled, but I would like to hear from more people. I mean, I don't know if that's, if they're listening, yeah, reach out'em, I'm trying, I'm trying to get their numbers and I'm gonna ask them, and I'm not gonna hound them, but if they want to come on, I want to reach all of Branch out and try to get'em to come. Yeah, good. It'd be good. Yeah. I think hopefully too, some of these, maybe some of these will, some of these will air and folks will realize we aren't just here to hold your feet to the firing grill. You, we just wanna get to know you as simple. Right. So, anyways, well, Corbin, you wanna take us out? Yeah. Uh, I guess without further ado, let's take it away. Tumor. We will see you next time around the shoot.