Interview with AAA Board Candidate, Logan Sampson

Logan Sampson, a rancher from Ruby Valley, Nevada, discusses his background, including his childhood in California and his transition into ranching. He shares insights into his family's agricultural roots, his international experiences, and his aspirations for running for the American Angus Board of Directors. The conversation also delves into issues such as transparency within the association, the controversial methane grant, and the importance of including commercial breeder's perspectives.

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Um, but Vince, welcome to run the shoot. You're in, you're in San Francisco right now. You're, you're really close to our friend Joe. Yeah, I came to check on him. It's, it's really weird. It, it not seeing his face on this computer, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Joes not with us this tonight. This is literally the only time I ever get on the computer is to do the, uh, podcast Really? Or to get on Angus and registered calves. And Joe's face is normally here and so it's really weird when you register Cash Joe's here. I normally have to call him and ask him questions whenever I'm doing it. Like, the question I need to ask is, how do I make this cheaper? So I got, I'm over here doing'em a third at a time just so I can afford it. Joe couldn't make it tonight. He's got some, uh,, family deals happening and he needed to be with them and, um, he will be back hopefully the next time. Yeah. He wanted everyone to know that he is fine and everyone's fine. It's all good. It's just, uh, he couldn't make it as, as, yeah. And as a great family man and, and person that he is. If, if his family needs him, I, I can tell you where Joe's gonna be, but, um, so we're, we are on to guest number three today, Vince? Yeah. Um, we've got Logan Sampson and where he's, he's from Idaho, right? Yeah. He digs potatoes by hand. He digs potatoes by hand. He's got a special shovel. Yeah, he's got a special shovel. He's sitting, his background as we're looking at him right now is he's sitting in the Oval Office and he's, he's at. The podium and he is ready to be, show how, um, a positive candidate is supposed to take this. Right? Well, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully. Well, folks, without further ado, here's Logan Sampson. He, he comes from Idaho. Um, I don't know how much you, I know, I know he raises, um, good cattle and I know that it's called Birch Creek Angus. But, uh, without further ado, let's, let's hear a little bit more about you than just that Logan. Okay. So we'll just get into the misinformation right up front. Vince, I'm not from Idaho, but, um, we can, we can make two corrections here. I'm from Nevada and Vince, Vince made like, did I not just say that before we started Nevada? You did. But here's the problem. Nevada, you made the unpardonable sin and you called it Nevada. Nevada, and that's, that's a no go. You, Nevada, you cannot Nevada call the state of Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. That's how you can Nevada. Nevada out of staters right there. Potato. How close, but how close are you to Idaho? I'm actually only like two hours from Idaho. And I also know, I also know that your partner is from Idaho. Yes. Yeah. My business partner Is that legal in Nevada? Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. Which one? Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. Yeah. It was legal there, right? There's a lot of things that are legal here. They got a whole town that, that the, the whole premise is thing's being legal. Why are you so tan? Me? Yeah. Well I was in, um, were you playing golf with Trump? Uh, I, I, I probably would've rather been, no, I mean, that's just from working. I mean, listen, some of us have to get out there and do some work to earn, earn some money, you know, make a living. So I, I'd do that outside and the, the sun happens to, you know, be out, race my skin with this beautiful tan. No, I was in Mexico a couple months ago too, so that helped. Oh, well, I mean, I think when we interviewed Brooke, he had just gotten back from vacation. He was all tanned up. What's that time of year, Vince? Yeah, I think, um, I, I'm that dark. Why are you so white? Cor? I think I'm that dark. I just think the lighting in this room, you know, you know. Oh, okay. Yeah. You are even like olive skinned and I know you're dark. I'm a little dark. You can't even see my arm. I feel like I'm more red than tan. So, Logan, why don't we get into it? You got rid of the misinformation, so keep going. Okay, so I'm, my name's Logan Sampson from Nevada, from Ruby Valley, Nevada. Ruby Valley is in the northeast corner of the state, uh, as far away from Las Vegas as possible, which is like, that's where we want it to be, is way far away. Um, or I, I'm in the high desert, so we're at an elevation about 6,100 feet. Um, and, uh, we, we run a commercial cow calf operation up here, run about 300 cows there, and then we run another 200 plus registered cows, and then we lease, um, another 250 commercial cows at another place just down the road that we use for resets for our embryo transfer program. So, um, that's, that's just a little bit about the ranch. You want me to give you a background of where I come from and who I am, or, yeah, yeah. Tell us a all about, um, where you come from and your family and everything else. Okay. So I, I can pretty well guarantee that it's probably gonna be. Way different than everyone else's, um, explanation of their background. I was actually born in the Bay Area in California, about 20 minutes outside of San Francisco. Um, and I lived there for the first, well, let's say 18 years of my life, off and on. Uh, my dad actually worked for Levi Strauss during that time. Uh, and so I, I grew up there, not in an ag background, uh, but my parents do come from an ag background. They actually met out here in Ruby Valley. My mom and her family have lived out here. She'd be third generation, so that makes me fourth generation. Um, and my dad was a hey boy and met her, uh, one summer and, uh, they ended up getting married, worked out here for a little bit, and then due to some circumstances outside of their control, they, they ended up moving away from the ranch for a few years. And, uh, yeah, that's why I was not born out here. Um, I grew up 30 minutes from the coast before high school. I'd, you know, occasionally go load a, load a surfboard up and drive out to the coast and do some surfing before class. What you, Sam, you, me, you had a van? I did not. Van. I actually had a 300 zx and I mean, it was like a sports car and it had the t tops and everything and surfboard sticking in it. Yeah, the surfboard, the, the tip of the surfboard sticking outta the T top. They're driving. Oh man. So, uh, yeah, I, I, I mean, I'd surfed before high school. I was actually, um, a competitive rock climber in high school and I was sponsored and, uh, essentially a, a pro pro climber at that point. I had sponsors, took me to national championships and um, I manage a climbing gym. Uh, wow. This is ag related. Um, so that's how I grew up. But I'd go work summers, uh, at, out here in Ruby Valley, or out on my aunt and uncle's dairy farm in Utah. And so I was still like, I knew that's where I wanted to be, but because we lived in the city, it wasn't really a, a possibility at that time. So, but you did have your introduction to ag that way, so you, it's, you had it in your blood, it's just you couldn't really act on it'cause of where you lived. Yeah, yeah. And, and like, so every summer we'd come out to Nevada for a little bit. Um, back to the, back to the ranch out here, uh, all my cousins on my mom's side, they, you know, they're out here on, on their, their ranches and, um, uncles, aunts and uncles too. And, um, yeah, so I, I was out here doing work or actually I spent more time in Utah, uh, at a dairy farm moving pipe and. Uh, doing all the dairy work, which is not my favorite thing to do. That's why I ended up on a, yeah, yeah. Totally different deal. Um, but yeah, so we lived in Australia for a couple years when I was younger. Oh, wow. What? Uh, that's pretty cool. That's some good surfing down there, huh? Uh, well, at that point, I, I probably was not, um, old enough to drive myself to, uh, this, this, this before. Uh, this is, this is, this is early. I was, you know, early on kindergarten, first grade time. So your timeline is all screwed up. But yeah, I'm all over the place. Yeah. I think in order to run for the board of directors, you have to be born an American citizen. Actually, I just totally made that up just to make it sound more presidential. That's probably not even a rule, but, uh, can you confirm, well, I've got the bylaws here. We can look at it if you want. Can you confirm or deny that you must? I'll look through it. I was born in the US anyway, so it's okay. I was born in, I was born. California. Oh boy, that is awesome though. And then, so then you moved, you met, when did you meet your wife? So, um, I met my wife when I went to school. I went to Utah State University. Um, ah, and, uh, so I actually, I'd just gotten back. I lived in Mexico for a little bit and I just got back from Mexico and, uh, went to school for a little bit and met my wife. I like within the first couple weeks. And, um, she's from Ohio and we, you know, we dated for a while, a couple, I dunno, a year and a half or so. And, um, a a ways through. I told everyone it was looking like we were gonna end up getting married. I said, well, you're, you're, you've got one option for a job if you wanna work. And that's a school teacher because that's, that's it, that's all there is. And a, and a school. And that's it. So she actually got her degree in elementary education and special education, and she teaches out here at a one room schoolhouse. It's K That's so awesome. Yeah, K through eight. And she has, uh, a kid in every grade, but eighth grade this year. So she pretty much has to wear many hats and know how to, you can't just prepare a lesson and teach a bunch of kids the same thing. No, she gives eight, eight lessons a day. I mean, that eight different grades a day. So that, that would be difficult to do. Yeah, it's Now are any of those your children? Yeah, I have three kids. Um,'em, one of'em still here at this school. Uh, my youngest Quinn, he's in seventh grade. And then I've, I've got another one in high school. Uh, but because, you know, we live far away from town, he has to board out during the week, so he, he actually doesn't live with us during the week. He, he stays with other people, um, while he is going to high school. So. And how far away is that? It's about, it's a little under an hour. Yeah. Oh wow. It's not, it's not too bad. So can we back up just a second? What that's interesting about your wife in teaching all those grades. Like how many kids is in that, in each class? Didn't he, didn't he say there's eight? Oh, there's 11. There's 11 kids in eight different grades. There's 11 total Vince. Yeah. 11 total. Alright. Yep. K through eight, but not in eighth grade this year. So there's every grade, but eighth grade. Right. Don't worry though, because next year his youngest son, Quentin is gonna be grade. So she'll get to teach an eighth grader next year. Yeah. She'll add a grade, she'll have a, she'll have a kindergartner coming in too. So she'll have nine grades next year with more kids. Yeah. And then I've got another kid that goes to, she's a freshman, uh, Utah state. She is majoring in, um. Oh, I don't even know. Something ag related it. It'll probably, yeah. Well she's, uh, she's going to, so did you, did you have an ag based, did you do ag based when you went to Utah State too? I did. So I actually started in animal science and then I changed to, um, international business, and then I changed to finance and econ and with a minor in Spanish. So I think I, I would've had several if you had said, if you had said, if you'd said Corbin, I want you to guess what Logan's what? Logan's graduation plan. I might have said what you just said. I, I might have just based on the rest of the interviews, like I'm pretty sure he did everything. I'm pretty sure he's been everywhere and done everything. Absolutely. And, uh, what more could you want from a board of directors candidate and someone who's been all over the world? That's right. That's right. Brains Line Ecology Management. That's what my daughter's major is. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Get there. So now, so you've got three kids, you got a family. What, what, you went to school, Utah State, you knew you were gonna, uh, go back to the farm. Was that, what was that like? Was it just like an easy transition? You guys just moved out there and you had a farm and you took it over? Or, or what, how did that go? Yeah, so, um, I mean, my dad retired from his career and we ended up moving back out here. Um, and he, he was running the, he was running the ranch while I was at school and then he actually ended up getting cancer and my mom had, um, a horse accident. So they were both kind of laid up and, uh, it was a year into our marriage and I, I was up at school my junior year and so I actually left college to come home to take over the ranch. And my wife stayed at school to finish for that last year. And, um, I've been here since, uh, and, um. I am gonna throw another one at you. So right before, right before I came home, lived in Germany for a spell I'll lu you into a sense false sense of security. No. So, um, right before I came home from school and my parents had their, um, health problems, I was actually on the road touring with a horse clinician outta California. And I, I happened to be in, I wanna say like New Mexico when I got the call that, um, my mom had had an accident and I, I got on a plane and flew home right away. And so I was kind of in the middle of that, um, when, when I ended up coming home. And then, so, so, so the plan probably wasn't a, when you came home wasn't just like, oh, I'm gonna stay forever, but just kind of, it kind of turned in that because it had to, needed to, at, at that point, I mean, my plan was to come back home to the ranch and run the ranch, but it was probably a year later. Mm-hmm. Uh, so I ended up home a little. Earlier than what I had planned on initially. Um, but I, so on a side note, by the way, uh, for those of you who are recently married, um, spending the first year away from your spouse, uh, of marriage, it ex it really strengthens a marriage. My wife likes me way. It's fine. We can try it. It worked out pretty well for us. So, yeah. So, um, I know that some, some married couples end up spending a year apart, like in the middle of their marriage and that seems to work. Sometimes we just need you do it. I feel like that if you do it up front, that odds, the longevity right there. I, I'm pretty sure the one that Corbin are talking about are, it does not add strength or doesn't really help. No, it actually shortens things. But I can say, I can say that I left this weekend. I was out of town this weekend and I, and I, I think that was healthy. I think Lucy was ready for me to leave for a weekend. So. You know. Yeah. I think sometimes you need a break from each other. A year seems like a long time, but it is what it is. Yeah. I mean that, so that's my marriage counseling for this session, by the way. So do you charge for that or, uh, no, that one's on the house. I'll let you have that. The house. Oh, thank you very much. Yep. Let's dive into the moneymaking stuff now, huh. Okay. So, um, so I guess the best, the best question to, to start off with is, uh, why do you wanna run for the American Inc Association Board of Directors? So, um, I've, I've kind of had it in the back of my mind for a while and, uh, I mean, I'm a newer breeder, you know, I, it's not like my name's out there, I'm not a big, well-known breeder by any means. Um, and so it was something I've always kind of had on my radar, but, um, just, I, I would, I would say in the last few months. With all that's been going on in the, in the association with, um, the Methane grant and a lot of, um, division within the breed. It was one of those things that it, it just, one day I was thinking about it and I was like, you know, this, this might be the time for me to run. And, um, I didn't, I didn't really talk to my wife about it upfront. What I, I, I kind of thought about it for a while and she, uh, knew I had it in the back of my mind, but, um, I didn't really want to talk to her until I had made a decision, um, like, did I really wanna pursue this or not? And so, uh, I kind of relied a little bit on my faith there for a little bit. I was taught a while ago that If you think about things long enough and, and kinda let the, the Lord do the work for you and, and let him kind of guide you, it'll become clearer and clearer in your mind. And, and that's how I kind of feel like I, I let that dictate my life a lot where I'll think about things and um, and if I feel really good about it and it's something very clear in my mind, then I feel like, you know, the Holy Ghost is stalking to me and that's, that's what I'm gonna do. And so I let that process happen before I approached my wife about it, um, because in my mind, I mean, it's, it is kind of a God first and then, and then family for me. Uh, and so I, I did, I, I, I let him kind of guide me on that and, and I felt like it was the right thing to do. And then I talked to her about it and she's always very supportive. I mean, from our previous conversations, I think you can gather that I, I like to do a lot of different things. Um, and she was not surprised at all that this was kind of the path that I wanted to take. And, uh, she was, she was supportive. And so, you know, we're a good spot. Our kids, um, we've only got one at home right now. Um, and, and it was, it just felt like the right time for me. And, and so I feel like with everything that's going on, I've, I've had discussions with other breeders and they felt a little uneasy about, you know, the, the methane grant deal and, um, which I'm sure we'll get into here in a little bit. But, uh, uh, and some other topics that have come up and, uh, you know, in our conversations we're like, well, we, you know, I, I think you should run. And I said, well, I've thought about it. And the more and more I thought about it, the more it felt right. And I feel like I can be one that I will listen to everyone. I mean, I have no problem taking any phone call and having any, any discussion or conversation about whatever topics out there. Nothing, nothing really bothers me. Uh, I taught my kids from a young age that they need to be the ones that seek out the ones that I, I call'em maybe disenfranchise or the ones that are off on their own and don't feel like they have anybody. And so I don't feel like I would be a great example if in this case I didn't stand up and do something, because that's important to me. We have to find the people that feel like they're left out and we have to find a way to include them and, and let them be heard. And sometimes people just wanna be heard and whether or not they get their way, if they're heard, at least they feel like they're, they're wanted and needed and, and a part of something special. And I, I feel like we've lost that to a certain extent within the, um, the American Eggs Association right now during this kind of difficult time. Uh, I'm gonna bring that back. Have you talked to many people, um, over the course of you running, I mean, you were just talking about people that feel like they haven't been heard. I mean, have you talked to many people one way or another that feel like they haven't been heard or that Angus Association is going the right way on all, any of the things that they're doing? Yeah, so, uh, I mean, even before I announced, I had some pretty good support, but since I've announced my candidacy, I, I've had, I've made a lot of phone calls and I've received phone calls and, uh, I've talked with a lot of people and it's not, I mean, it's not just Nevada, California, Idaho, you know, west Western states. It's all over the United States. And, uh, the phone calls have been really, really interesting and. The, the common, the common theme that I feel like I've taken out of those phone calls is that, um, people see that there is a disconnect right now from the membership to the board. And whether or not that's a real thing or not, it doesn't matter because perception is reality. So if they feel that that's their reality, right? Even if that's not necessarily the case, you know, which I would, I would probably say it is, but, um, some, some people would argue that there's no disconnect. Uh, if you feel it, that's, that's your reality. Do you think there's a way to fix that disconnect? Is there a way to fix that? Is that what you said? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we're in the process of it right now. I mean, make your voice heard, uh, volunteer, step up and, um, become a delegate. Step up and run for the board. Uh, talk to your board members. Uh, mark McCulley has actually been really good to talk to on the phone. I, I would say of the CEOs that I've run into in the past, he's probably the most accessible. Um, and I'm, you know, like I said before, you know, he doesn't know me from anybody, but he was more than willing to call me back and have conversations. Now, did we agree on everything we talked about? Not really, but he was at least very cordial and, uh, explaining things well. And, uh, you know, I, I feel like he was pretty accessible. So that was, that was actually a really good experience and, and board members as well. Um, they've been, they've been really good to talk to. And, uh, one thing I wanna point out too is, you know, I'm assuming, I don't know yet who else is running as far as incumbents. But I would assume that all five are. All five are. And so here's one thing that I've, as I've had discussions with people, this is one thing that I've brought up and they've actually brought up too. I'm not running against them. I'm running for the membership. Yeah. And it has nothing. They're very good people. You know, I have no doubt that, I mean, I know some of them pretty well. I have no doubt they're good people and they, they mean well, in my opinion, we just need to do better. And I intend to do that. And that's why I'm running. I think it's, um, it's awful important to remember and I think, I'm glad you brought that up. It's important to remember that we're all in this together. Even if we don't agree the, the direction, whether someone believes we should go this direction or this direction, it doesn't really matter what you believe. We all want the end result to be good. Mm-hmm. We all want it to be a net positive. So hopefully, um, we get more voices in there that kind of. Have that same sentiment where I care about, um, this big mega breeder just as much as I care about that guy that has 10 cows. Yeah. Right. And I would, I would say too, in my discussions with people, that's a general feel with pretty much everyone is, Hey, we just need better communication. And, um, I mean, let's just talk in regards to the, the methane grant, because I obviously we can't run away from that. It's, it's out there. And, um, that's one of the reasons that there's a lot of people that might, might feel upset. Um, in my discussions with, with the people that I've spoken with, they, they bring that up and, and here's my, here's my take on it. By the way, what's done is done. That money is not, if I could, if I could figure out a way to send that money back, I would. But if, if we're being realistic, it's not going anywhere. Exactly. And so the question is, where do we go from here? And that's been what's been stressed the, the most from my conversations is what do we do now? And what we do now is we, we push for more transparency. We push for better representation in the boardroom, and, uh, we push for everyone to have a voice, an equal voice. Now, how do we do that? I, I think we're in the process of it. Like I brought up before, um, I, and, and there's some people that just, you, you know, they refuse to accept that there's some division out there and people are upset about that. But that is the, I've, I've probably made fifty, sixty, seventy phone calls at this point, and I would say less than 10% are in that boat. And the vast, vast majority of people see division. See something wrong and they, they want something changed. And in some cases they don't even know what that something is. They just know that, hey, we, at this point, it's not working. We gotta do something different. And so, uh, I mean, we bounce around ideas. I've got, I've got ideas of things that we can do. Um, it's, it's gonna take work no doubt, but it, it's not as if any of this is unachievable. And I think that's what we really need to kind of fall back on, is we can make things happen. We just have to, we just have to do the legwork and get out there and make phone calls and talk to people and, and, and really hear what they're saying. Well, I know a lot of people that I've talked to feel that the association is really not in their corner, that they just keep coming up with things that work against them. Yeah. And I'm not gonna lie, I felt like that numerous times, but it's. Uh, there's a lot of that and, and I don't know, I don't know people, there's nobody in my circle. I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that think the opposite. There's nobody in my circle that feels like, oh, no, no, they're, you know, they're really getting after it and, and they're doing this right. And they're doing that right. And they're, they're, you know, making our cattle worth more or whatever, you know. Um, it just, there's lots of folks that feel like they're, I mean, it goes back to what you were saying. They're not being heard. They're not, they don't feel like anybody's in their corner. Yeah. And hopefully this will start being corrected. Um, I'm sure it's gonna take a while. I mean, I don't think it's anything that can happen overnight, but, you know, maybe we start getting, um, some different thinkers in the boardroom that have different perspectives and. You know, maybe they can help'em out. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And I, so I would say too, um, I think, I think a lot of stuff going on at the, at the association is very well-meaning, but, uh, I, I feel like we've gotten away from the original intent of what, uh, the Angus Association was formed. Uh, why was it formed? And don't you have that right there? I just, I do, I just wanna, I just wanna read just real quick, from the very beginning of the charter, um, because when we read from, from the Angus Association, uh, charter and bylaws, it lays it out pretty clearly. And I feel like people recognize that maybe we've, there, there are programs out there that are great, that are helping us, right? But. Are we to the point now where some of the secondary entities have, have taken over an importance from the primary purpose of, of the American Ag Association? And I would say that some people believe that that's the case. Um, and, and so let me just, let me just read a couple lines here. And it says, the purpose for which the association is formed or purposes are, number one, to maintain unimpaired the purity of certain cattle. And it goes on to explain, you know, it was pulled Aberdeen Angus, and now it's known as Angus. And then to collect, verify and preserve and publish the pedigrees of that breed and such other information and data as it seems necessary to promote that breed of cattle. And then I'm just gonna bounce down just a little bit because I think, uh, this next part kind of brings it back around and it says the association. Shall promote the common business interests of its members, but not engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit. So that lays it out pretty clear in my mind. Um, the primary purpose is to track pedigrees and registrations and all that other stuff is great, and I'm not gonna sit here and say, shut down a GI or certified Angus beef, because those programs have definitely been a value add. But at what point has the tail started to wag the dog? Meaning do those secondary entities take more importance over the membership and their priorities and their businesses? I don't know. I don't know if they're we're there or not, but in my conversations with, with delegates and, and members, some of'em express a discomfort. With that. And, and so the challenge that we now face as, as potential board members or even the current board, current board members, is how do we, how do we balance that? How do we balance, you know, progress within genetics and genomics and, and all end certified angu beef? How do we, how do we balance that with the primary purpose of the organization, which is the membership? Absolutely. Absolutely. So, um, I, I don't think it's, I think if one person feels like they're disenfranchised or that, or that they're not, um, their opinion doesn't matter, then it's too many. You bet. And so, um, one of the things that we keep hearing about is, is a lack of transparency. Lack of transparency. Um, how do we fix that? I mean, it seems like, oh, there's transparency issues. Well, let's talk more. Well, that, that has to be more complicated than that, right? So. I mean, shoot, I'd love to throw out a one sentence answer and solve all the problems. Uh, I haven't found, I haven't found that sentence yet, but I'm working on it primarily. The, the very first thing that needs to happen is there needs to be more respect for differing views. And what I mean by that is if I, if I think that, you know, something isn't working well and I bring that up to someone, I don't want an explanation about why I'm wrong. I want, I want a conversation of understanding like, hey, okay, I, I can see your point of view. What can we do better to serve you a member? And I don't feel like we have that right now. Um, the conversations I've had have have more been, they've been steered more towards, well, this is why we do it that way. And, and, uh, like, great. Okay. Uh, that's a great explanation. However, you didn't really calm my fears at all. So it starts with that. Um, second there, there are some things that have been suggested that I would support, uh, whether that's, um, broadcasting meetings. Um, obviously there are certain things that can't be broadcast that have to be in executive session, but, um, for the most part, I would say the general business, um, of the American AIDS Association would be fine to, to broadcast. Some people could watch, and I don't know if you guys have been involved in local government, um, at all, but, and I'll just use this as an example. I can go to my county commission meeting and I have an agenda laid out in front of me and it's laid out pretty well and it, and it lists in detail for the most part, uh, what is going to be discussed and whether or not it's an action item. And so I know what's gonna be voted on and what's not gonna be voted on at any particular meeting. Uh, you know, the, the American Ag Association, they lay out an agenda, but there's so much more that can be done there to get that information to the membership, uh, and, and let them know, Hey, we're gonna address this or that, or what, you know, whatever the topic is. And, uh, that, that's a simple solution of what, what can be done now to get, uh, the membership more involved that, uh, I mean, that wouldn't take hardly anything. And one of the other things that's been brought up is the fact that, uh, you know, we have so many different ways of receiving information that, um, the American Eggs Association feels like, Hey, how do we reach out and, and let every member know what's going on? And I mean, a simple solution there is when we read, when we renew our annual, um, membership, we can indicate our contact preferences, whether that's through email or text, or what, whatever that preference is. We can let them know, Hey, I wanna be contacted in this way. And, um, then we're not guessing, oh, you know, we're not sending texts out, we're not sending emails out, we're not sending all these different methods of transmission out. And, you know, we get overloaded with all of that, and we just ignore all of them, which I feel like that's what's happening now. And so it's a valid argument that they have, that it's difficult to reach the membership. But there are some, there are some solutions that we can offer to, to maybe make that easier and more palatable to the membership. What you had, you had mentioned just a second ago about, uh, some things that were done by the executive committee maybe couldn't be, um, couldn't be broadcast like, but why? Well, so if there's, if there's, uh, any decisions that need to be made as far as, um, like on a methane research project No. That, I mean, so to me that's, that was in the executive committee deal. And that shouldn't be. And that's where good judgment comes into play. And that should be out in the open. And, uh, I mean, they're there, they are there making decisions for us as the member, you know, as members. Right, right. And that's one of those things I, you know, I'd say more like hiring and firing decisions. Those, those types of things, you know, that would be an, an executive committee where it's a little more sensitive that you can't have in a public meeting if you're gonna discuss those things, which probably, you know, most likely would be addressed with hr. But there are occasions and they're rare where you need to be an executive committee. The problem is when we, when we have that as an option, people take advantage of it, and they, th they think, oh, well, we don't want this difficult decision to be out in the open. And so, oh, executive committee, like, that's not how that works. It's, it's for, it's, it's the exception, not the rule. And we've made it the rule, not the exception. Do you think they. Should have on, on a big, big decisions like the, the methane deal. Do you think that they should have tried to reach out to the membership and ask their thoughts, or do you think that's something that they, I mean, the board should just know better for the membership and, and it's okay that they make those decisions? Well, so personally, I don't feel like they should have been involved in the, in the, uh, decision in the first place. I don't Right. I don't think that should have been an option, but, but it was, it was brought to the table by a GI, yeah. So I'm, I'm just saying, I, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Go ahead and finish what you're saying. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll kind of bring it back around to that. Okay. Um, a couple years ago, and I brought up this, this conversation before, but a couple years ago I was at a convention and, uh, I think it was in the, in the caucuses and there was a, in the caucuses, you have a, uh. Kind of a question and answer with the, um, candidates running for the board. And what, there's a question asked about something, and it was political, I wanna say maybe it was mandatory country of origin labeling or something. And they asked, you know, why doesn't the Yang Association make a, make a statement on this? And essentially what they said was, well, we don't get involved in political issues, which is great. I'm like, okay, that's a great answer. I right, I support that a hundred percent. So in my mind, when we were looking at, uh, something like this methane grant, for example, and I know right now it's being sold as we're studying efficiency. Okay. But you have to understand that whether or not it's an efficiency study the way that it was rolled out, um, has some political leanings to it. Um, that might be a kind way to say it. It's a hot button issue for sure. As we see now. So the fact that, that we even got involved in the first place in it, to me it, that's not the primary responsibility of the American Ag Association. I feel like there, there may have been support from certain people, uh, and I think there is still is, there's some support, no doubt, from people on it. But why do we, why do we get involved in these issues where there's gonna be some division in the membership? I don't think, um, it was really that difficult to foresee what was gonna happen. Um, it it, in my conversations, I have been told, yeah, we just didn't expect that in my mind. I mean, if you're on the board of directors, you better understand the consequences of your decisions. And that's why we're there. We have to, we have to receive the information. We have to study out both sides, not just, I mean, if, if I have an opinion, I'm gonna research the other side too and see what, what the other person is saying, because maybe I'm misinformed, right? I don't know. But I'm gonna do my research. I'm gonna get all the information I can, and then I'm gonna make an educated de uh, decision based on that. Uh, I, I just don't see a scenario where this wasn't foreseen, right? I could be wrong, but I, I, I just, I don't see that. Well, they keep saying that we were the last ones that haven't done this study that Herefords and ALS and, and all these other breeds are doing it. And I'm, I'm just wondering, is that a big deal that they're doing it and we're not, I mean. No, no. So I, I don't say this to be rude to any other organization, but the American Eggs Association is head and shoulders above every other breed organization. I think if you combine all the registrations from everyone else, it doesn't match what we do in the American Eggs Association. Right? So to use that as a, as reasoning for entering into a study, um, to me that that doesn't really check out. And, and to go beyond that, to me it's, it's more than just the study. People have expressed that the funding source is an issue as well, and I would agree with that. Right. Had they gone a different direction and sought funding from other people, I think more of the membership would be accepting of it. But there's still gonna be a certain segment and I would probably fall in that segment. That just feels like we shouldn't take part in it anyway. Cows are not the problem. By, by participating in this study, we almost admit that cows are contributing to whatever they're calling it these days. Global warming or, or I, I, I mean, I can't even keep up. Is it climate change? I'm not really sure. So we're playing into that. We're playing into that narrative. And I, we need to stay out of that. That's not our responsibility. Well, there's, there's, I've talked to several people lately that have broken down and they seem to have a little more information. Yeah. Um, and that would just be nice to have all the information. Like, I don't understand it. They've been asked for it and they won't release it. So I guess what, you know, if it's kinda what like I'm hearing, it would probably calm some people down if they would explain it to'em. Yeah. But the way it is just thrown out there and left. For everybody to just sit there and stew on it. I, I don't know that it's been handled. Right. Uh, well, and that's another sentiment that's been expressed by, um, delegates and membership, that the approach was not the best approach. The rollout was not favorable for the breed. And those are all valid arguments. I, I mean, I absolutely agree, uh, that it, it didn't look great for us. Uh, and I, I like we can do better. That's the, i I guess if, if I wanna say, you know, one, one phrase when catchphrase, we can do better than what we're doing right now. And that doesn't mean that the people there right now are doing a terrible job, but we can, we can sure. Improve. That's for, uh, I mean, why, why do we become so complacent in how we handle certain things? And let's just use. Because it's out in the news right now. Let's use Cracker Barrel as an example. Now, I, I, you know, they obviously had some, some, uh, public backlash for the remodeling of their restaurants and like, I don't have an opinion one way or the other on that, but there was public backlash. Well, how did they address it? They fought it for a while, but they finally realized, hey, finally, maybe we ought to think about what our customers are telling us. And they, and they kind of backtracked and said, yeah, we apologize. We're gonna, we're gonna make a correction. You know what? That's a, that's a pretty good way to handle things. If you screw up, Hey, my bad, I'll, I'll do what I can to, to make it better. Did you guys, and I don't know if, I don't know if, I don't know if through the whole deal, I don't know if the high brass at American Angus Association feels like they've addressed the issue and they've made everything. They've disclosed everything they need to disclose. Right. And that we're the ones that are still holding on like, Hey, we already addressed this, but I'm just speaking for me. But I don't feel like it's been addressed. I don't feel like it's been, I mean, they had, they haven't really, I just, and maybe, maybe it's me that's never gonna be satisfied with them running from, from the controversy. I don't know. Maybe it's, I don't dunno. No, I, so I, I think you're right. And I think that, well, I, I know this is the, this is a very objective statement, but I know that the people I've talked to, um, they feel the same way. They feel like, Hey, we still don't really have the information that we've been asking for. Um, the problem with that is when we, when we have a lack of information, then other information starts creeping in, right? And whether it's true or not, the fact that we don't have clarification, sometimes certain arguments or certain, um, certain topics kind of take, they take on kind of a mind of their own. And because we don't have clarification, and that's the information that's out there, that's what people grasp onto. And I feel like that's what we see in a lot of like social media posts is, you know, there, there's some things that are thrown out there. Well, those things would be very easily taken care of if there was some clarification and some, um, um, more information. About, uh, where we're at as far as, uh, what that grant is. And, and that's where when we talk about transparency, which that's the buzzword right now, people want transparency. That's a legitimate thing. It's not, I, you know, I say buzzword, but that is, that, that is, that is how people feel. They, they just want transparency. They want the information. They have people representing them who they don't feel like, uh, have provided them with adequate information to make an educated decision. And I, I think that's where the disconnect is right now in the division. So, um, Vince asked earlier, like, how many people you've talked to, how many people. How many delegates, first of all, maybe not, maybe not, maybe just members. How many members have actually reached out and called you once they found out you were running? I'm just curious because we're far enough along in the process of, of interviewing you guys where it's been like three weeks. So I feel like you might have started hearing from people. And if you haven't started hearing from people, I think you're about to start. I mean, I think you're gonna start getting phone calls, um, up until the election. And then, and then I guess as a follow-up question, how are you gonna handle those phone calls? I mean, you have time for everybody, obviously, I guess. Yeah, so I've re I received a handful of, of phone calls, uh, just a couple delegates. I I've talked to several that they're like, oh, you know, I, I've been meaning to call you and you got to it before. Um, and if we're comparing it to years past, you know, typically I would receive a, I mean, I've been a de delegate for years for Nevada, and I'd receive calls from, um, candidates in like October. I would say that myself and a handful of the other candidates running, they're just ahead of the game at this point, and people really haven't, if they're not on social media, number one, they probably don't know, you know, who the, who the candidates are right now. Um, but, but number two, we're just, we're just ahead of the game. So, um, I like to be proactive. I'm gonna, I'm gonna call someone earlier versus later. I just think that for, for me to be successful in, in, um, my run for the board, I have to contact as many people as possible and just have a conversation with'em. And so that's what I'm doing. I'm just making phone calls and, and seeing where they're at and having a conversation and, and getting to know'em. And, and I feel like that's where the information comes out is, Hey, yeah, I don't agree with it, or I do agree with it, but then they have other, other topics they wanna address. Yeah, for sure. For sure. But I, so like, I would encourage anyone if they, if they want to call, uh, call me. I'm not saying call me at two in the morning, but like, so I'm a volunteer fire chief. I have been for the last seven or eight years, 10, 15, I can't even remember, 15 years. And, uh, I mean, I'm pretty much up all the time. If I'm going out on a, an accident or a fire or whatever, uh, like my phone is on all the time, it, it never turns off. And, uh, I have no problem. You wanna call me at four in the morning and have a conversation? Let's do it. If you wanna call me at 10 at night, let's do it. I, I'm, I'm pretty accessible. You can call me whenever. I will talk about whatever you want. I'm gonna start calling you at random time. Yeah. Start calling him. Wait, wait. You know it'd be funny. You call him at 2:00 AM and then, and then have Vince call him at 6:00 AM That way he's make sure he is just, he's awake at all hours. I'm gonna call you when I take the dog out to potty in the middle of the night, I'll be up'cause I'll be going potty so it's all right. Oh man. That's funny. Um, well, I, I I guess your, uh, I guess your wife's your, you better get, you better get outta here'cause your wife has to go grade 11 sets of different sets of homework you needs you to, she needs you to take the kids so she can grade all the homework. No, she doesn't give homework. That's a, the kids love her class'cause she doesn't, she doesn't really give a whole lot of homework. Is there anything else that, um, you'd like to discuss while we have you on here? Yeah, so I, so I just want to, um, you know, a lot of times we're all members of the American Egg Association, right? And, um, we have thoughts about this, you know, whether it was right or wrong, I know we've had discussions with people. I would say the vast majority of people that I've talked to are commercial breeders. And here's my worry is if we don't recognize the importance of the commercial breeder in our businesses and what they mean to the American Angus Association, I feel like we're gonna have real problems in the future. And, um, and I, I, I've talked to, I've talked to members that have had customers call'em and say, Hey, the Angus Association, even though we're commercial producers, they represent us because they're the most dominant breed out there. And so when they, when they make decisions. They, they better keep us in mind because we are what, um, we are the people that support the members through bull purchases or females or, or whatever it is. And that's an important thing for us to remember. Even though we have a membership that's gonna go and a, and a delegate pool that's gonna go and, and, and elect a new, um, new board. There are people beyond us, the commercial producers that sustain our living every day. And if we let them down, uh, that's gonna continue to affect our membership numbers and what we're able to do within the breed. And, and the problem is, so we're at, we're at, you know, the lowest recorded numbers in, in, in, uh, cows in, in recent history, right? And, and people are talking about a rebuild. Do we wanna position ourselves in a good way or in a bad way when this rebuild starts? Do we want to have customers beating down our doors because they love the Angus breed and everything they represent, or are they gonna wander off and kind of test the waters in other breeds? And right now I feel like we're kind of walking a fine line where it could go either way. Why do we, why do we even dip our toes in that when we can continue to dominate and, um, and provide what the producer is asking for without putting our foot, foot in our mouth? And, and to me, we need to get back to that. Let's focus on our customers. I want the association to provide me with the tools to be successful, but when, when decisions are made that affect me in a negative way, that's when I feel like, uh, it, well, it's time for me to speak up and, and, and stand up for what I believe in. And if, if I find myself in the boardroom, which I hope I do, and you know, I'll, I'll need the supportive delegates out there. But if I do. If, if something comes across that I'm the only one in that room that disagrees, I will stand up and say, no, I don't, I I don't, I don't agree with this now it's still probably gonna pass. Right? Right. But at least they will know that they have representation in that boardroom. Um, and, and to, to bring that point across a little more clearly, uh, I was speaking with someone the other day and we were talking about the, the unanimous decision on this, on this grant. And to me that was the most concerning part of the whole deal in the first place. If we have some, if, if we have a board that is unanimous on something so controversial, uh, that's a concern. Yeah. And, and, and, and the word unity was brought up, you can still be a unified board and not have a unanimous decision. Correct. At the end of the day, when a decision is made, there can be unity in that room that supports the direction that they are going or supports their fellow board members. While you still disagree with that decision. And, and the problem is, we've lost that. When, when we have a disagreement with someone, you know, it may turn into personal attacks or any of these other things. We can't go down that road because we're not gonna get anywhere if we start attacking each other. We need to, we need to learn to disagree but not be disagreeable. And I, and I feel like when we bring that back around, uh, we're gonna make progress. We're primed for it, but we're getting in our own way. So I'd like to, I'd like to kind of emphasize that point that we can still, we can still right the ship. It's not like all is lost here, but we just need to make some course corrections and we'll be just fine. So, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of funny how we're sitting here wishing someone would've just stood up and said, no, I don't agree with this. I think that, uh, if I'm trying to look for some positive in a negative situation, when I sit back and look at everything from a grand perspective at, that's the good that I could see coming out of this is that those board members saw how the members reacted. Mm-hmm. And so now maybe when they're in that boardroom and there's a decision and they sit there and think, man, there might be some people that this really ticks off. Maybe they'll think, Hmm, maybe I should, maybe I should think about those people and not just the people that's gonna benefit. And so, you bet. Um, I think next time some people have some decisions to make, they're gonna, maybe, maybe we shouldn't take'em so lightly. Maybe we take everything for, for. Brass tacks, this is what we have to do because we have to do it. Maybe we think about it a little harder and we, um, aren't afraid of independent thought. Yeah. Yep. We embrace it. It's okay. It's okay to think different and you can still get along with people. Listen, I mean, uh, if we boil it down to it, I mean, there's bulls that Vince likes that I don't like and we we're not scared to disagree on those. Know what I mean? You don't like all the bulls that I like? Probably not. Corbin. Probably not. Probably not. Should I start naming names Peyton? We can't, we can't be friends anymore. But so, so it's, we can disagree on things like that. We can disagree on what truck brand we like the most. We can disagree on what, um, steak, whether we should use steak sauce or what we way we should, but, but we can't disagree on things in the board. I, I just think it's healthy to disagree with each other sometimes. Yeah. Right now it's, it's, it's healthy and it's, in my mind, it's, um, it's essential for a good boardroom to have all sides represented., If we have, we find ourselves in an echo chamber or we're in big trouble. And the thing, if you find yourself as the smartest person in that room, you better find a different room. I mean, you're in the wrong room at that point. So, uh, it, it's okay to have differing opinions. And, and another positive about this is, so I know, you know, we've talked about the delegate situation. Um, yeah. And this came on a little late where I don't see, I don't think we see that reflected as, as much as we could, right? Um, but there is definite, enthusiasm out there right now that there wasn't, you know, it wasn't there six months ago. And that's gonna carry into next year. And hopefully people understand the delegate process a little bit better. It doesn't matter if you're, uh, a small breeder. Who has no recognition at all. You are just as welcome as a delegate, as the biggest breeder out there. And I feel like people understand that now, whereas before they didn't. And so like put yourself out there, become a delegate, get involved in the process and, uh, make your voice known. And it doesn't matter who you are, anyone can do it. Logan, have you booked your room in Kansas City yet? I haven't booked my room, but I booked my flights. Vince, you have to go too, huh? Yeah. I need to get a room. Me too. I think, uh, I was talking to Kelly yesterday. I think he said we have to stay at the Marriott or something. So that's the host hotel. I'm actually, there's a hotel right next door. Can we get a free room? Free room? Hold on. Did you just offer me a free room? Is that, is that what I just No, I said do we get a free room? The only ones that get free rooms are the alternates, the alternate delegates. Oh, they felt really bad for us. That makes sense. So we get a room. That makes sense. Yeah. You say, I mean, there's three of us here. I just assumed I was part of that group. I guess I just got a No, you're, you're not an alternate, you're a actual delegate. Right. I just got a text from, uh, mark McCulley. He just gave me my room key. He sent it via email. Oh, did he? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, well, Logan, um, if you don't have anything else, I don't think he, me or Vince, I, I think you've, you've covered a lot of bases. We've, we've covered a lot of ground and, and we can't thank you enough for coming on and, and taking your time outta your day and, uh, entertaining us. No, I appreciate it. It's been great. I hope, I hope I was able to answer all the questions that were thrown out there. And again, if anyone has follow up questions. Absolutely. Oh, there's one question that Joe likes to ask. Okay. Uh, something, something judiciary. No, that's not it. Not the judiciary. Do you want me to read the question because I've got, I knew my question did, so that's not it. I bet you have a great answer already worked up. Let's, that's great answer. I'm ready. Let's please not talk about that. I don't want to talk about that. No, but I was, well, Joe really does like to ask, um, are you going to have your candidacy in the journal? Yeah. Yeah. You got it all in there. They've already got your information. Did, don't they do a, uh, interview as well, like a podcast type thing? Audio? Yeah. So I was on that. So we recorded it last week, I believe sometime last week out. And where will they Nice. What's that? Where Will, where will they be and when will they come out? Um, I believe it'll come out in September. I didn't get a specific date. Okay. Um, I'm, hopefully, I would assume that the, uh. Angus media puts a little QR code in the, wouldn't you think Shirley put a little QR code to your little podcast? Shirley, Shirley? I would hope so. If they didn't, then they should probably listen to our podcast. And I probably, I probably sound really stupid for, uh, saying they should implement something they've been implementing since 2010. But, you know, they, that one was pretty brief. I, I wanna say it was like, I don't know, seven or eight minutes or something, so I didn't really get to explain my whole surfing and climbing all the other stuff. I, I cut it to like 30 seconds. So I feel like I put on a lot. Well, I, there's, there's probably, um, if we had another podcast, there would probably be another mountain of information that you didn't even get to share in this one. Right? Oh, I've got a lot. Trust me. I bet you got some stories from those days in. I got some stories. I'll tell you some stuff in Mexico. Oh my God, my man had to sneak back in. He had to sneak back into the country. Why do you guys only have a podcast? What do we have? Like an hour? We could make this thing into like four hours. Come on. Oh, yeah. Easily. I think Corbin's gotta make some trades for his fantasy football. Oh, I love fantasy football. It's fun. I drafted my team last week and I'm feeling pretty good about it. Oh, here we go. Normally. Normally, um, I come out of the draft smell like roses this year I just, I, I just didn't put it all together in the draft. So maybe my luck will be the opposite because I always have a really good draft and then manage myself in the sixth place. So hopefully, hopefully we get along. I, I had a great draft last year. I had Nku and McCaffrey. They both got injured. Like the first, and then that's the part of it too. You can't control that. Yeah. Do you like, uh, that's first time too. Do you like college football? Uh, yeah. I mean, I'll watch it if it's on, it's coming on. It's coming on tomorrow. I'm excited for some real football that, that the score actually matters. Yeah. I like college football better than the NFL. Yeah. Yeah. Now Vince, Vince, what's Kaitlyn Clark up to? She's still hurt. She's still hurt. I can't watch. Do you want to know something Vince? What? Paige Becker's is better than her. Paige Becker's is freaking awesome. She's really, really good. Yes. She's really, really good at basketball. Yes. Yeah. Hey, Carmen, are we, um, we need to go golf sometime. You're a golfer, aren't you? Yeah, but I hurt my wrist and I've, I've been working through some, working through some. I don't know. I think I gotta have another surgery on it. Is that just an excuse because you're intimidated now? Or another surgery? Yeah, I think I gotta have another surgery on my wrist. It's annoying because those stupid wires were coming out. No, it's, this is, this would be, that was the bones and the, these are ligaments. They just, I don't know. But, uh, the, the worst case scenario, I actually went to the doctor today, so it's fresh on my brain. But, um, and I'm just assuming, so I just opened up, I just opened up a sensitive wound. Yeah. I'm assuming it's gonna be worst case scenario, but I have to have a cast that goes from the middle of my, so I have to elbow down. I can't like this, like I can't move, I'm not allowed to move for two weeks. Like, I can't move and I can't move like this for like six. You gonna have the kickstand under your arm, down your belly way. I wanna be, no way. I'll be changing Billy's diaper with my teeth. I, no way. I was at, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I, I don't know. It's gonna be, yeah. Oh, congratulations. By, by the way, um, on the, uh, birth of your daughter. That's exciting. Yeah. So if I go, she's eight months old and you're just now congratulating. Listen, I haven't, it's been a minute since I've been on the podcast or so we, uh, we, uh, I'm sure you guys, did y'all hear her crying? I tried to mute it when she's crying, but it's so funny when she laugh, when she starts crying. It's like, well, what do you want? You just want some food. It's not that hard. That was Vince. Gimme a minute. So you thought it was Vince? Vince, what? Oh, don't cry, Vince. I'm not crying. So, um, Joe's gonna be proud of us. Vince, you think so? I'm pretty sure Joe is not gonna be proud of us when we derailed into. Football and basketball and Oh, he lives for it. He lives for it. No, he doesn't. You can edit that. That's okay. It's all getting cut out. The only one we're gonna about, we're about to start talking about Super Mario Brothers. You don't stop it. If we're gonna start talking about, um, pocket knives, if we, if we get into Mario cart, then I'll, I can go down that road. Yeah. Ooh, that's a fun game. Vince, what character do you like to be? I actually bet Vince, I actually bet Vince knows a little bit about Mario Kart. I do. I do. Gotta to bring, you gotta bring, um, what is that on now? I don't even know. A gaming system. Let Switch. Myla has a nindo switch. Yeah. My wife just walked in the room and told me it was Switch, someone wearing a switch to the convention and we had have a Maria. Oh, I would so get crushed. Meet you. I suck at it. I'm not good now. I don't know. Maybe. No, here's, here's a, here's what we do. I, I will play Mario Kart for votes. How's that? So it's like, I'll just bring delegates. If I beat you. If I beat you, you have to vote for me. That's right. We're we're gonna, okay. I know. So I heard that, uh, I heard we're not doing booths this year at the convention, but we might have to like, um, no, you can get a table. No, I got it. Get a table. I got it. I got it. We're gonna set up at the Marriott outside the host hotel. We're gonna have a little pop-up tent and we're gonna have a switch in there. All we need is wifi. All we need is wifi and a$88 32 inch tv. And we're just gonna have Logan sitting in a chair and I'll take the money at the door and I'll put the money away. You know, you gotta pay to get in there to play a game. And then, uh, that's point. And then if you lose, well then you gotta vote for Logan. Uh, if you win, well then you still gotta vote for Logan, but you could tell everybody can beat him. So, um, this plan really? Yeah, I, I, I see nothing wrong with this plan. It sounds like fun. Vince is, Vince is not in with the plan. I feel like he's losing. Listen, I used to play the original Nintendo, the duck hunt with the pistol, and the stupid cartridge wouldn't go in there and you had to blow it out all the time. Yeah, yeah. You had to blow it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I, uh, so actually I'm the age where, um, I was like five and I got a Sega for Christmas and I couldn't read, so I taught myself to read just so I could play my, my game. So it was actually, it worked out mean that's, that's probably the only reason I can read the stupid. What about Atari, Vince? Yeah. Did you not play Atari? Oh, yeah. I mean, that was the system I can remember. Like Frogger on Atari and that Oh, yeah. Pole position. Oh yeah. Pole position. That was great. Pong. Pong. Pong, yeah. Yeah. The, the problem with the switches is like the, this is how big the stupid remote is. I know like my hand is 17 times bigger than the remote, so I have issues. And that's like, okay, so Myla has one and she, she, oh, she needs it. We need to get that thing back out. She didn't really like it'cause she couldn't read, but she can read now, so we need to go turn that thing on. There you go. But it's like, she'll be playing a game and she'll be like, dad, you gotta help me do this. I'm like, oh, well I didn't get this for me. Like, I don't wanna play the Barbie game. I'm sorry. Well, I'm gonna talk to my wife and maybe suggest a new curriculum for kindergartners. That's how they learn to read. Teach'em to read. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Now what would happen is Milo would say, Hey dad, can you beat this level for me? And I'd just sit down and start playing it. I look up like 30 minutes later, she's gone doing something else. I'm like, oh my gosh, I've been playing the Barbie Dream game for 30 minutes. Without anybody telling me to. And then I, I put it down, you know, we gotta, we gotta gotta quit this. Alright, boys. All right. I'm gonna cut us off here. What do we say Vince? Take it away. Tim. Catch y'all next time. I. We will see you next time around the shoot.