Interview with AAA Board Candidate Brian Palmer

This episode covers an informal discussion among members of the Angus community, focusing on Brian Palmer's candidacy for the Angus Association board. The conversation includes topics around the challenges and experiences of farming, the significance of transparency and diversity of thought in the boardroom, and the importance of maintaining strong relationships with commercial cattlemen. Palmer also discusses his background in corporate America and his vision for reprioritizing the association's focus on member needs and profitability.

Transcript

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:00

I'm supposed to be in the field. Nate's mad at me.

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:03

So, um, so what have y'all been doing welcome to around the shoot?

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 0:08

Well, Vince just said he left. Nate, I wanna find out about this.

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:11

Where did you leave him?

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:12

we're still combining and he's in the combine and I came home to try to get this going and

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:17

So he, like, he loads

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:19

failures. So he is just by himself?

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:22

he just goes by

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:23

He is okay. He can do it. I did it by myself for a long time. So

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:26

Is it, is it hot?

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:29

here.

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:30

Yeah,

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:30

It's

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:32

I was just wondering if the air conditioner and the, and all your stuff works really

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:35

The generally, the combine usually does, but I think it's got a sensor that's messing up because it'll work really good for a while and then it, and then it won't. It's been checked out a couple times, but he ain't got it fixed yet.

audioKorbin11959015959: 0:46

I feel like, so, so air conditioners and equipment like that is so, they're so finicky. There seem to be, they seem to have problems way more often than.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 0:55

That combine would freeze you out before my sprayer will freeze you out. It, it

audioKorbin11959015959: 1:00

like when you don't have, when you don't have an air conditioner and a tractor, you can't get away from the heat. I, it's, even if it's 65 degrees outside, you've got the air conditioner on an tractor or, I mean, I don't, I just got the vents open, but you could stand to have the air conditioner on even when it's not even really warm outside. So I, the reason I'm telling all this is I don't have an air conditioner on my, uh, tractor. And to like grade the road and do all that stuff. In the summertime, it's like, can we just drive down a, a road that's kind of wash boarding because it's really hot in there.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 1:36

If it's a glass, if it's a cab tractor, it's like sitting in a oven.

audioKorbin11959015959: 1:40

It is crazy. And then even if the air works, it's just like, it can't keep

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 1:45

lot of'em can't keep up. That's right.

audioKorbin11959015959: 1:46

'cause it's, they're running so hot. But, um, Joe, what have you been doing?

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 1:51

I've been sick. That's what I've been doing. I've been doing a lot. Abby and Wyatt were vaccinating cows and calves yesterday, pre-breeding vaccinations. Um, you know, at the time that this releases, our sale will be over and, um, you know, I can firmly say. Win or lose high or low. We're, we're just so blessed. I mean, that's what this season's been really pointing me towards. Um, we talked a little bit about, you guys said I was gone with some family health stuff and things like that, and. The perspective I've gained this summer has been just immense, gentlemen, just, um, valuing true friendships, valuing real relationships, valuing these cows that are here, doing their job, um, valuing our customers. Um, I'm just, I'm grateful for all that. I'm grateful for you guys. I'm grateful for this great lineup of candidates who's come on and throw their name in the hat or their, is it in the hat? Would it be, it'd be

audioKorbin11959015959: 2:46

Throw their name in the ring. in the

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 2:47

No, it's a hat in the ring. A

audioKorbin11959015959: 2:49

throw their hat in the ring.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 2:51

And you'd put a name in the hat?

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 2:52

I thought you were the smart one.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 2:54

No, not only of big words.

audioKorbin11959015959: 2:56

very thankful for all these candidates that have opted to run for the board of directors. We we're not gonna talk about any hats, any rings. We don't know. We don't know how it goes. We don't know how it goes.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 3:06

anyways, um, we're actually recording this though before my sale and we've had a hard week. I don't really want to touch on it too much, just'cause it's become such a lightning rod for so many people. I don't think it's a lightning rod for any of us. Um, I'd know where we all stand on it, but just this nation and the state of people and how people are respectful to others and not has become, um, I guess, I guess maybe in some respects my perspective has changed on some things. Um, um, and, and other ways I've been further empowered to, to feel the certain ways that I do about things. And, um, I'm thankful that I have such a good. Industry to work in and such a great group of people and such a wonderful vocation that, you know, I can firmly display my faith without fear of retribution.

audioKorbin11959015959: 3:52

Absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 3:53

and, uh, that's not the case for everyone. You know, that's maybe not even the case for some of our, our listeners who are involved in this great industry, but then have a vocation in town

audioKorbin11959015959: 4:03

Absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 4:04

they have to feel silenced or they're fearful or, um, I mean, it is funny as a Christian, I, I. Often talk about persecution and, um, you know, we, we think about persecution like in the old times when we really don't think about it. Like it could be going on every single day, every hour of every day, just in different ways. And, um, it, it's, it's hard. It's, it's hard. Um. For, for folks to live in this world, I think. But, uh, we just have to be that beacon of light for the people we're around and that beacon of positivity and just keep speaking truth to people. I believe there's, there's my soapbox monologue. Um,

audioKorbin11959015959: 4:44

Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's kind of, and even, even for. Four weeks from now, I think it will be even more pertinent because it, it'll have been quite a bit of time. And I, and I think people, um, we've seen it happen within the American Angus Association whenever we have some sort of big thing that we're all hyped up about and, and really upset, um, a month, a month from now, you're not as upset about that thing and you kind of let it go by the wayside. But I think it's really important for us to maintain our perspective. So in four weeks from now, uh, still remember, remember that you're lucky to be alive and you're lucky to have, be able to share your faith and be able to, to do whatever you wanna be. You're lucky to live in America. Um, that's for sure. And if there's one thing I could tell everyone, it's like, take the, take the time and go hug your family because you just never know. So,

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 5:38

And those liberties and personal freedoms are worth protecting.

audioKorbin11959015959: 5:41

absolutely.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 5:42

They're absolutely worth protecting. Um, but anyways, do, uh, Vince you have a comment on that. I took us on a different spin than we'd even talked about, but that's just how around the shoot works. We just kind of banner it up. Right.

audioKorbin11959015959: 5:55

yeah,

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 5:56

I don't have anything. I had something, but I don't remember what it was.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 5:58

Well, thank you guys for, thank you guys for taking care of Logan. I thought you guys did a bang up job with him. Um, and I thought that, of course the, the interviews I was a part of, I really enjoyed those, really enjoyed the candidates time. Just like the previous ones though, uh, Corbin has done such a wonderful job filling this role in the pilot chair, um, running through these interviews. That's how we're gonna do it. So officially, I'll kick it off to you, Corbin, and we'll be on the text thread when we wanna chime in. But, um, welcoming our guest. I'm excited to hear what this gentleman has to say.

audioKorbin11959015959: 6:29

So I did such a good job of introducing Logan. I didn't even get the state he was from. Right. So I'll try to, uh, I'll try to be more, um, correct. But, but I think one of the great things about me doing this interview is, um, I've tried to, for, with, with each person. Yeah, you could go through a phone call and talk to'em for 45 minutes, but I'd also to take a different route where, um, I thought it would be more entertaining if we were hearing about them for the first time. So, um, rather than, rather than have them talk on the phone to me for hours and hours and hours and getting it all out, I would, I'd like for it to be fresh and new. That way we can, um, get that, that perspective that, that you get from the first meeting. So, um, uh. We're excited to have Brian Palmer. He's our fifth candidate that we will be interviewing. That's right, isn't it, Vince? That's our fifth one. This will be our fifth, our fifth candidate. Um, hope this will be the last of the, uh. New candidates, right? This is the last of the, of the non-incumbents. I hopefully we can get a couple of the incumbents to come on, um, at a later date, but this will be the last of the ones that are throwing their hat in the ring. As Joe would say for the first time, Brian Palmer, you, uh, you're from Texas. It's hot down there, uh, Palmer, Angus, tell us everything you wanna tell us about you and uh, I'll just give it to you right there.

audioBrian21959015959: 7:49

Great. Yeah, thanks for having me. Um, look up to all you guys and enjoy listening. So, uh, it's great to be here. Yeah, Brian Palmer from Texas. Um, haven't always lived in Texas and haven't always been an Angus breeder, so I'm a little bit different than what you would see in an incumbent candidate or maybe, you know, even some of the other new candidates as well. And, um, I think I bring an interesting perspective, but I'll give you a little bit of a. My background. So, um, I grew up around agriculture. My grandfather and uncle farmed and we helped and bailed hay and fed cattle and hogs and things like that in the summers and weekends. But, uh, my dad recently retired, but he's a pastor as his career and we moved around a bit in the Midwest and so we never had that family land ourselves. It was always important to us. Um. So I was very sports obsessed as a kid. Did a lot of that. Um, played football in college. Um, graduated from Yale and then I did a

audioKorbin11959015959: 8:49

That's easy to get into, isn't it?

audioBrian21959015959: 8:51

very easy out here. Yeah. Um, but yeah, anyhow, I went there. Um. I was happy to come back to the Midwest. Um, I did a 20 year corporate career, lived in Australia for five of those, uh, years, and, um, you know, uh, something was very missing. You know, financially things were great. But it wasn't the way I wanted to raise my kids. I was flying around on a plane all over the world and, um, you know, we had started buying ranch land as investments and um, you know, that just kept appealing more and more to me. So, um, eventually, um, we called it quits on the corporate thing and, and decided to go all in on, on Angus cattle and beef. And so we had had Angus cattle before I left corporate America, but um. This is where it's like, okay, we gotta make it work with this. And so this is what we do as a family. Um, my wife helps a lot on the beef end of things. The kids are pretty little. We have three young kids, two daughters and a son. Uh, they got their first heifers this year, so,

audioKorbin11959015959: 9:56

Ooh, that's exciting.

audioBrian21959015959: 9:57

uh, we're getting them involved that way. We brought'em and, uh, so next spring will be really, really exciting for us. Um, and, um. It's been a great community. I couldn't say, you know, anything better about the Angus community and the friends I've made out of this in the last few years, especially in the last, you know, six or eight months. Um, you know, getting into why I decided to run for the board, um, you know, I, I started a petition, um, several months ago. I can't remember when we. Launched it. But, you know, there was a, an, an issue a lot of us felt with the Bezos Earth Fund grant specifically and kind of the decisions that were made with without our input as members. And a lot of us were talking, um, two or three of us in particular, not gonna name names, um, but we just were, there was something not right about it to us. And we felt like, um, a lot of them had made calls and letters and, uh, hadn't really. It felt like they were hitting a brick ball, so we felt like this was a, a, maybe a hail Mary a bit to put it back into football terms. But, um, we felt like we had to do something. And so through that process, I just had an outpouring of support from our community and a lot of folks encouraged me to run for the board. Um. You know, I'm a newer Angus breeder and newer in the business, so it wasn't something I was thinking of for myself. Um, nor do I really have the time for it, and I'm not really interested in the title. Um, but enough people called and said, you know, we need your experience in the corporate boardroom, you know, what we're facing right now within the association. Um, you know. You may not be the best breeder out there, but um, we don't need that. You know, we need someone to help us navigate this. And so I was very honored to, to get those calls and, um, kinda shocked I guess at first. And um, but you know, it kinda started to settle in and honestly, I felt like I had to put my money where my mouth was. Um,'cause I had been very vocal about it. And, um. So it, it is gonna be a sacrifice for our family already is at this point, you know? But, um, if I'm on, I'd be honored to, to do, to serve the membership and, and really get, get the, you know, the association back to basics, I believe.

audioKorbin11959015959: 12:22

Yeah, so I think you actually provide an interesting perspective. Um, so you've been part of Co Corporate America, which, um. Generally, generally, I would say the, the ones that are, are far away from the goings on of. What's going on in an American Angus are far away from corporate America as you can get. So like the ones who are gonna be against the Bezos Earth Fund are in general gonna be the ones that, you know, the blue collar types is what kind of what I've, I've noticed. And so I'm, I'm proud to be one of those, but you provide an interesting perspective, so I'm excited to get to know, get to, to, to pick your brain on some of that stuff. Um, what do you think the role of AAA even is? What, what should, what should AAA's job be?

audioBrian21959015959: 13:06

That's a bit of a loaded question, I would say, but I think, um, you know, in my opinion the, you know, the JY Association is to maintain the purity of the breed and to publish pedigrees. Beyond that, there could be some extra support, um, tools, maybe things like that. But, um. I believe, you know, when we ask people for vision of the breed and where are we headed and what are we gonna do, I think that's the job of us as members and breeders, you know, and, and ultimately, you know, all of us on this. Podcasts right now are from all different places, and our customers will have different needs and you have different environments. Um, and so I think you're best positioned to say what your herd needs to be and where you need to go. Um, and so I think we need to keep Angus Angus and I think we need to, um, you know, not get too far away from, you know, what's made the breed great, but. Honestly, um, you know, I think the o the association has overstepped quite a bit with this grant, for example, and some other things. And we're, we're running as a, we're running as a corporation, so I have experience there and I think I can help us navigate, but we're really not running as a, a member association at this time.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 14:22

So Brian, I'd like to follow up on that just a little. Um, do you feel your sentiments would've been the same with the role the so. Eight months prior to this, or a year prior, um, or has that changed at all? Because I, and I'll, I'll preface by, I should have prefaced po postvis. It's after I've asked the question, whatever that means. Right.

audioKorbin11959015959: 14:42

You should have done it before, so that would be

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 14:43

Corman Corman. I

audioKorbin11959015959: 14:45

go to Yale. So actually, um, for any of your grammar questions, I'm gonna defer to Brian since he's

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 14:50

that'd be a good, that'd be good. That'd be good.

audioBrian21959015959: 14:52

I don't use those words often, Joe, but I can probably understand what you're saying.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 14:56

The reason, the reason I ask that though, uh, about if that changed your mindset is because I think that a lot of folks would say the young or the emerging breeder, the new breeder is saying, I don't have enough tools. How do I verify if these cattle are good or if they're not, or if this breeder's truthful or if they're not. And so. There's more and more tools then we get, we get into NEPD because we can't predict the birth weight, and then we can't predict the weaning weight, then we can't predict yearling. And then you just keep stacking this onto more and more and more. So I'm just curious, when you first came into the business, you're like, man, I love all these tools, or did this situation here provide some clarity of some of the threats of offering so much to describe Angus cattle?

audioBrian21959015959: 15:39

I think that's a good question and, and for me, you know, everyone's path is different, but I'm in Texas. Um, and so I'm pretty well surrounded by a lot different cattle than you guys raise and a lot different cattle than I raised today, but that's what, where, where I started. And very first calving season, I thought, okay, you know, we're, we're new, um, we're gonna have to deal with, you know, maybe we're doing something wrong management wise or whatever. But, um, as we kind of honed some of that in and had a second calving season that didn't, I, and when I say calving season, I'm, I'm talking about, uh, when we weaned calves. Um, and I just didn't like what I was seeing and so I started questioning all of this stuff. Well before, um, you know, the, the Bezos Earth Fund, I, I do think it provided clarity. I, I wasn't probably as focused on a GI at that point. Um, I was just like, you know, I don't know, I, maybe there's just not enough here. Maybe in 20 years it'll be better, but I just wasn't having success with what I wanted to see outta my calves. And so I, I made a pretty big U-turn in in my breeding style. Um. You know, a couple years back actually. And so I was already kind of, I guess, skeptical of the tools that were there for me and, and started building relationships with folks that kind of felt the same way. And, um, and so, yeah, then when it, when it did come out, it provided, I guess maybe some clarity around that. Um, I think. I've gotten pretty involved in this in the last few months. I've talked to lots of folks and I feel like it's been a turbocharge, you know, it's like a master's degree in what's happening. Um, and so even with that thing that clicked, that didn't feel right about what I wanted to do and what I wanted to leave for my kids and the risk, I felt like it, it posed for all of us in the long term. Um, I still didn't feel like, you know, compared to today where I'm sitting, I knew even half of, you know, what I have concerns with now. So anyhow, I'm not sure if that answers the question or not, but that's a little bit of my story about kind of why I was already, you know, half glass empty, I suppose.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 17:55

No,

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 17:55

know, you, you brought up a GIA second ago. What are, what are your thoughts on a GI and what they do and what their goal is, or even looking for more and more and more and more EPDs? I mean, what are your thoughts on all that?

audioBrian21959015959: 18:14

my thoughts are that, you know, a GI is a, you know, subsidiary of the corporation to provide more revenue. I don't think that necessarily benefits the members. Um, and so I don't think that's what it should be doing. Or maybe there's some sort of, you know, fee reduction program or whatever, if they make a certain amount of profit on other projects that we would have to pay less on. Things that we submit or, you know, you can kind of hash it out. I don't have all the answers on that, but I, I do, I think that, you know, if you go back into the, the bylaws and charter of, of the association and, um, sometimes I use the word association and sometimes I use the word corporation. And I think there are times where, um, we're acting as a corporation and a, and a for-profit company, and there are times where we're acting as an association and those are at odds with each other. I wanna be clear about that. But, um. You know, very upfront in the bylaws, in charter, it talks about us not, you know, running for profit. And so right there, when I think look at a GI is, you know, built to create more revenue for, for the corporation, it's really at odds with how we were created as an association. And, um, maybe there's a way to kind of make it make sense. But, um, you know, I think, uh. It is just kind of run outta control at this point is, is my feeling.

audioKorbin11959015959: 19:41

So you talked about how you some. Times can't tell a distinction between a corporation and association. And, and I think one of the main reasons for that could be because, because we're letting it be ran like a corporation and members aren't as involved as they need to be. I think. I think the numbers were something like 20% of members voted in the delegate election. So, uh, I guess my question for you is how do we get members to be more involved? How do we get, how can we get members to feel empowered? And for it to be a member ran organization instead of letting it, letting the, the big hats just do everything.

audioBrian21959015959: 20:20

Um, honestly, you know, I think the voting representation is, is based on people feeling like they vote matters. Um, and, and so if you don't feel like you can make any difference and they, you don't feel like they care anyways, and whatever, you just kind of throw in the towel. So like, you know, I, I love my dogs. I'd never kick them. But kick a dog enough times, he's gonna stop coming back. And I feel like. That's a lot of where the membership is. And so how do we change that? We actually have to engage with them. We actually have to not just listen and hang up and okay, we're gonna continue to do it, but people need to see some action, you know, out of, you know, member feedback and, and a desire to hear from our members. I, I'm not sure that the association really does desire to hear that. I think we're throwing their side often and, um. You know, I don't have a clear answer on that except for, um, we, you know, I know this is true of me and, and, and, and the other four candidates you guys have already spoken to, that, you know, there is a desire to have transparency and to listen and to be open to feedback. Um, I think a lot of things that the association need to see some sunlight and people need to see what's happening and we need to get feedback. There's a lot of ways you can do engagement. Um, it's an not an overnight thing. You know. Ultimately you have to build some trust. And that is not an easy thing to do When it, it, it might be easy where Corwin and I just met you and, and I'm gonna start off with, with a trust basis. But if you've been around for a long time and you know, maybe you're multiple generations into this and you've kind of seen where it's headed, um, there's gonna be a lot of skepticism upfront, even on new people and new faces that. Talk about different things. And so, uh, that's the responsibility of the board and ultimately the association works for the board and, and to make that change, it's a very big culture shift. Um, it's not the culture there today, but it is, um, it, it is required. I, I, I believe the membership is demanding that right now. Um, you know, we'll see what happens at, at the convention in November, but we have to build trust back.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 22:33

You just mentioned, uh, something about transparency, and I have talked to several folks, um, lately, and, you know, some of them would say that they're getting better at transparency. Um, some of'em would say that there's only maybe so much transparency they could give. Um, I, don't really. Know how it would look like, what it would look like to be, um, overly transparent. I don't know that it, do you think that that's even a thing that you could be overly transparent?

audioBrian21959015959: 23:15

I don't think there could be overly trans. Spirit. I mean, there might be, we get a lot of info already today, which doesn't provide much information, but, um, you, there might be a point where people are like, okay, enough. But I

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 23:27

But at least if they put it out there, you can determine it yourself if you want enough, right? Instead of them doing it for you.

audioBrian21959015959: 23:33

I think, uh, giving people access to things, you know, whether they choose to, to access it or not is up to them. Um, is an easy thing to do. Um, you know. When I talked about what the association was supposed to do around, you know, maintaining the breed and publishing pedigrees, the stuff that they're worried about not putting out there is not anywhere near that. And so the question really I have is, are we into things that we shouldn't be into? Um, are, you know. Recently there was a board meeting and they talked about, you know, needing to do certain things, you know, for the future of the breed and et cetera. And, you know, and, and my feeling is that's up to the breeders and that's up to what your commercial customers want from you and I I think if you were gonna run a corporation. I think an association probably needs to be in this in terms of service as well. But if you're gonna run a corporation, it's awfully hard to have a successful business if you're not customer focused. And so what I, my interpretation of how the actions are of the association today is that we as members are not the customer. Our commercial customers are not the customer either. It's, you know, A-G-I-C-A-B, um, profit center revenue. Makers and, and typical corporations that, you know, who brings in the money is who calls the shots and where, where things go. And so, um, I'm just being very direct about this because I think, uh, you know, I, I think a lot of us, and, and you know, to Joe's question earlier, you know, with, with some time. You know, before this I had some skepticism maybe about, you know, the accuracy of certain EPDs or, or whatever. But, um, I think people are right to be skeptical about what's happening and why, and, and, and why isn't there more information. And so I think if we're doing things that are so confidential and so, you know, scary to get out, like are we really in the right thing?

audioKorbin11959015959: 25:28

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I totally agree. And so one of the questions that we've asked every candidate is, is would you be willing to put. The, um, board meetings on Zoom, but I think for you, a more appropriate question, having your experience is, is that something that is even feasible? Is it something that makes sense? Is it something that would even benefit the membership, would it or, or is there another route we should take as far as member access to boardrooms?

audioBrian21959015959: 25:55

I mean, I sure would like that access. I, I, you know, as a member today, you know, we get. Minutes, so to speak. But it's really, um, light and vague and, um, there's nothing you can take out of it just besides maybe a handful of topics that they would've discussed, but not, not really anything beyond that. And so we need something more than that. Um, you know, I would be open to, you know, zoom or whatever being, you know, televised so to speak. Um, but there's, there's other ways to do it as well. Um. You, you know, truthfully, um, that's a long-term aspiration if we're being honest. Okay. Let's say one or two or five new candidates get on this year. got this like, expectation, what are you gonna do in the first a hundred days? Well, A, I'm not the president of the company and B, there's a whole other room there. And so we have to be realistic that this is gonna be a long trail if we are really gonna make, uh, real change. Okay? And, and, and the rest of the board has to want it. And then eventually the staff has to one of two. And when I say staff, the staff at the Angus Association are credible. When I say it like that, I'm talking about is the executive staff. Um, the guys that are, you can see on the nine 90 making the big bucks. It's not the person that's answering your phone call and helping you with your registration errors or whatever. It's not those folks. They're great. It's the the guys that are in charge.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 27:25

Ryan, maybe touch on, um, diversity of thought in a boardroom and the value that that could bring to both a corporation and a nonprofit.

audioBrian21959015959: 27:33

I've never been in a boardroom where everyone voted unanimously. Um, and maybe in the end there might have been a vote that was unanimous, but there was a lot of debate getting there. We're not seeing that right now. Maybe it's happening and it's just not being transparent. A lot of us would feel better about it if it was, but I think, um. You know, even someone, just to play devil's advocate, even if they weren't on that side, just to get the best answer. And I saw that time and time again in our corporation that I used to work that. Um, we didn't always end up where we thought we were going to at the beginning of, of a pitch, you know? Um, and, and, and, and so when I think about other candidates, and I think about maybe Kelly Albrecht sitting there and his background, and, um, I, I fully expect the board should be fighting it out and fighting for the membership and to see what's best. And it's not personal, it's business. Um, but it's, you know. Let's get to the truth. Let's get to, you know, where we need to go. And sometimes that can be uncomfortable. And I get the feeling now that there's a lot of, um. Similar points of view and similar backgrounds in that room, and uh, maybe some people that are just going along with it. There's a lot of nice folks on there. Um, this is not a personal statement about any of them, but, um, if you're, you know, let's say you get on as a new board member, you might be uncomfortable for a year or two. Just it's new. There's a lot coming at you. You got things to learn. Um, speaking up in that moment is tough. So then you get to year three. You get to year three, we're running again. Um, so maybe your second term, you really start to kind of make some inroads, but depending on kind of who's in power and who's in control, um, that could be tough too. And so the number one thing we need to have, you know, and I, and I believe you know, uh, Robert Groom, Brooke Miller, Logan Sampson, Kelly, they all have this is they have a backbone and they have their morals and. It's not a popularity contest. If it was, they weren't, none of us were invited to the party. Um, they're doing this out of service and what is right, and, and so that's who I want sitting there. Um, I don't care if they're polished or not. I don't care if, if there's an argument like we need to hear those voices.

audioKorbin11959015959: 29:54

Absolutely. Uh, the, the reason why. We're here is, is there's, there's some distrust between the, the members and the board and then the higher ups even. So, uh, uh, one of the main concerns with, with our listeners and with, with us too, is the way that this Bezos GR Earth Fund has, has affected the breed reputation. So as a board member, you might have the opportunity to, um. Sort of gain that trust back from both the members and from the commercial customer. Um, I'd like to hear first, how do you get that trust back? And second, how do we begin to put the commercial cowman first? Because that's what, that's who the backbone of. Everything. Everything we do is, so how do we gain their trust back? And then how do we further our, uh, relationship with them?

audioBrian21959015959: 30:51

Yeah, so, you know, um, very good question. I think in my opinion. Um, and this would be one opinion in the room, and I'd be interested in 14 others to get to the right answer to this. But I, I, I think in my opinion, if, if we're really being customer focused is, um, I would like to spend more time with, you know, those guys and I have my customers here, but, uh, we're. One little p pocket of the country. Um, and so that's the, you know, maybe an advantage of having a larger group on a board, but I, I don't think really, um, they're getting that. And so as an association, we ha we would have that opportunity really to understand what matters to our commercial customers. What are they mad about with Angus?'cause, you know, we're in a great position right now and I love being part of Angus and the community that's here and the Angus cow. But we are not perfect. Forget about the grant. Like we are not perfect. We need to be out there talking to them and understanding what are concerns they have. When I talk to folks before this, there's a lot of concerns about longevity and feet. There's a lot of concerns about utter. You can kind of go on depending on where you're at. Okay. Uh, we need to be listening and how, you know, are we, I'm not, I told you earlier, my vision is this is a breeder's decision, but as an association, are we pushing agenda That's. Against that, it's antagonistic to that, you know, that's, you gotta be asking these questions, I think, and, and, and I think I, I would say today we are pushing an agenda that's, you know, uh, more related to what CAB wants to see, and maybe some, you know, larger name breeders, I don't know. But, um, I think there's a big opportunity to get closer to the customer here, um, and help our breeders if we. Either it's providing potentially tools to help them or, or just not making the system so rigged in a direction that takes everyone that way.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 32:49

think it's interesting you bring that up because my mind actually, it was more probably, um, applicable earlier in your talk rather than when you, when you wrapped on that question, but I'm gonna circle back to it. We're dealing with a person when you talk about the commercial cattleman or woman. Who is gritty, who is tough, who digs deep, who sacrifices everything for faith, family, and principle. Um, that's who that person is. That's where I'm from. Those are my dear friends. And they're exiting the business like crazy. And Angus has the biggest contribution of genes to the livestock that they're using. And I've often thought, I mean, we keep driving so hard towards creating more dollars for cattle, more revenue for cattle, but are we not spending enough time figuring out profitability for these folks? Or is it even bigger than profitability, Brian? Or are you saying let's ask'em. I

audioBrian21959015959: 33:54

I think we should ask them. Yeah, I am saying all three, but I think the most important thing is, is we need to ask them and we need to get to know them better. Right now, what I think the association's direction is headed is more, we know better than you we're in front of this. We're in a boardroom, we're. In a fancy office. And I think the further you get from your customer and listening to that feedback, you know, the, it's just very potentially detrimental. There could be some brilliant things that happen that get done that way, but, um, I think to your point about being gritty and rolling up your sleeves, and that's what we need to do as an association and as a board. This is not. You know, the crystal tower situation we're, we're geniuses on this. Freaking work about on it. And um, I don't have all the answers to it, Joe, but, um, I'd be willing to work on that. And I think it's something we need to direct the association to do. And, and, and some of those folks that sit in offices that are coming up with these programs like, let's pick on a GI here, um, they need to go sit in front of those customers and hear what issues they have and why they left Angus. Or why they're exiting the business and instead of right now you get the call to from an upset customer that says, Hey, I'm not gonna use Angus Bulls anymore.'cause I can't A, I've had kind of been having issues, but I was willing to deal with some of those'cause of the prices I was getting in when I sold my calves. But b, I can't be part of this insanity that's going on at your association. They're not getting that phone call. It's very easy to be, you know. Um, I guess they're isolated or in a padded area where they don't get that, and so they need to, they need to feel that.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 35:41

So other than disconnect, what are some other threats, immediate threats internally and or ex externally? Um, for the association.

audioBrian21959015959: 35:49

Yeah. I mean, you know, internally, you know, we need to, to work on the culture and, and, and, and build trust. Um. There's a long list of things I would like to look at, but I can't comment on'em not having that information. Um, you know, it'd be, you know, a lot of assumptions I'd be making, but, um, probably some fair ones, but I'm, I'm gonna leave those out. But, um, in, in, in terms of, you know, where do we go? You know, what does this look like? Um, I, I, I just feel like we're at this point now where we can kind of go one of two ways. And if you look at what's happening right now, we've got other breeds that are kind of licking their chops and glad we took the money. Um, you know, the, the, it's a jump ball. And so we have an opportunity to go and grab that and, and, and, and maybe we have to put our tail between our legs and, and admit some wrong and make some changes. Um, but. I think we have, when I talk to the membership, I know this for sure, and when I talk to our customers, I know this for sure that we have it in us to do that. Um, and so yeah, there's a lot of competition out there. Um, you know, the market is facing, um, a really tough time, like prices are great, so we all want to kind of pat ourselves on the back about that. But, um, ranchers are, you know, packing it in now it's, you know, is it worth it? And so we need them to stick around if we're gonna have something here in 10 or 20 years as well. And so I was actually in DC last week, you know, meeting with folks about some of these issues and there's, there's other things that are unrelated to just Angus, but I think we need to be a part of, of helping our, our customers stay in business when I, so our customers a commercial customer, not, you know, us as customers of the association. And so, um, your point earlier about around profitability, um. If we can't keep them profitable, that is a major problem for us because is right now the easy button is taking my cows down and getting a great price for them and moving on. And my land is probably pretty valuable too. Um. You know, and so, uh, we need to help them make this profitable today, but also something that they can make money with, um, for their, to pass onto their kids and for there to be a future to keep investing in this. And so there's a lot of different investments. If someone has a cow herd and they're not buying cows today, they're still investing time and resources around this. You know, we're all busy working on this. This is not something that just happens. You know, on its own, this has to be managed. And so, um, and we have an aging population of ranchers too. And so when you put a lot of cash in front of somebody, um, and an easy button, and their kids don't wanna be part of it, and they don't really have a reason to tell'em to stick around, that's, that's pretty scary. And so we, we need to think about how we can make them more profitable and, and make them, make them have more longevity in this business as well.

audioKorbin11959015959: 38:56

And I think another, another point to further what you're saying is, is, is instead of young people walking into a buzz saw where we've got the greatest market we've ever seen in the history of the cattle market, and then they're having to read this stuff about the Bezos, or instead of, instead of creating negative. News, how do we as Angus breeders, as an association, how do we make it a more inviting business for young people to get into? Because that's ultimately the problem we're gonna fall, fall into, is that everyone's getting old and they're, and you know what? We've all got a price. And, um, there's a lot of people that are thinking, man, if I could sell out right now, um, I, I could never work again. But if you have a relationship built with that person and they enjoy what they're doing. And they believe in what they're doing, then it's easier to keep that person around whenever they have other options.

audioBrian21959015959: 39:52

I think, um, you know, there's a lot of faith we put in leaders and there's this, these expectations that this person's a genius or this or that they should be in this role. Business is common sense and when we make it too complicated, and we're talking about cattle here, when we make it too complicated. In terms of the association and what we're doing and, and how we're serving, um, I think we're getting way too far off track. And so I think it's, it's about getting back to basics and, and using some common sense and, um, letting our breeders manage their businesses, how they see fit. I mean, all of us. And, you know, have a lot invested in this, whether it's loans, you know, the land, you have, the cattle, you know, that's all property too. And, and so there's this massive investment that everyone has and, um. That, you know, when you have investment and loans and things like that, there's a, there we're a higher risk profile than, than the average business owner. And, and so if you give people an easy button, um, they have a couple bad days, it might be time to press that button. And so, um. I, I think, you know, we're making this way too complicated. Um, ultimately, if you, as a breeder and your program wanna make it really complicated, that's fine. That's your choice. It's your business, but the association's not a part of that. They need to be, you know, managing pedigrees and making sure that Angus is pure and, and doing no harm. Um, this, all this other stuff. And, and by the way, like CAB has been great for. An guess, obviously the brand name is there, but, uh, it also has done some detrimental things too, and, and I think we're, you know, facing some of that now. And so, um, yeah, I mean, you know, people leaving'cause of, of their age, you know, there's a lot of risk of vertical integration now in the beef business. We're seeing it in the dairy side, um, with beef on dairy and, um. The Packers are looking, you know, for ways to do this and, uh, um, and so keeping independent ranches, and I don't care if your customers are buying, you know, bulls for a thousand head or bulls for 10 head, they're all very important. And you know, I, I don't think as an association we treat'em all equally.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 42:14

It's interesting you say that because even for the corporates, they need the independence to provide competition and value. You know, it's sort of like we see these feeder calves being pushed to values that maybe quote unquote, doesn't economically make sense. Well, until the contending bidders a farmer feeder sitting on a bunch of corn that they wanna walk off their place Well. That's a decision that made full price discovery come to fruition. I mean that's, I I guess one of the things that you touched on that just really hit right in my heart is being a young person and investing in a business and, and then realizing that there are other folks that, that are on your team who are valuing your business and describing your business in terms of monetary value. That's, that's kind of a scary, um. Scenario, at least for me, and especially encouraging young people to be involved. But that's nothing that I, I don't need to editorialize too much next year at this time. Brian, you get elected, God willing. Um, let's just take you, let's not say any of the other board members or take that outta context. You've heard me ask, ask this before to other members. What would you consider a successful first year being on the board?

audioBrian21959015959: 43:23

Yeah, I think, um, you know, immediately, I, you know, I mentioned earlier, let's be realistic. We're not gonna have, you know, 15 people in there doing this. It's, you know, whether it's me or a handful of others is still gonna be the minority of the room. And so I think, um, you know, first of all, just getting an understanding of where the skeletons are. And kind of how to operate. I think, you know, even though if some of the votes don't change in the room or things like that, you know, I think there's a, an incredible opportunity for whoever has voted on to, to be a beacon of light to, to members that are feeling, um, like the members that call me, where they're frustrated and they feel not heard. Um, and I think there's an opportunity to help communicate. Um, and it doesn't have to be in minutes. It could be a phone call. Um, and, um, I'd like to see, you know, even if there is one person voted on, or, or five new ones or whatever, I think the tone of that room changes and, um, and I, and I'd like to see things. You know, ultimately, you know, I feel that there is a governance problem, uh, with our board and with how the association is being run. And so whether that is completely changed in a couple people or not, I don't know, but, um, we can start to crack away at that. So there might be hard things to quantify, Joe, exactly what that looks like in, you know, a year from now. But I, I feel like. Holding folks accountable, having a voice in that room, um, refusing to go along on a unanimous vote. So maybe there'll be more split votes and things like that, um, I think are important first steps at least. And, and even though it may not look, you know, like exactly like we all dream, it might look like in 12 months, I think, um, we're laying a foundation, um, that can over time make a difference.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 45:21

Those split votes are fun, aren't they? It's kinda like you do'em and then you go. Oh my goodness. I just went and had a drink with this guy afterwards. We don't hate each other. It's okay. Like it's, it's still, it's still passed. I still represented the people I was sitting here by to represent and it's all good. I just had one a couple weeks ago with one of my best friends I sit on a board with and do a lot of business with, and we felt very, very convicted on an issue and, and it was fine. It's still fine.

audioKorbin11959015959: 45:48

I think it's very important to, if you're gonna create change like that within a boardroom, they have to, there has to be. An opposing voice, like you can't all, it can't be a group think thing where you all just are trying to come to the same conclusion. We have to think critically about what is at stake and what the real consequences are of a decision, and then react accordingly rather than just try to work together to all agree. Uh, it, it would be great.

audioBrian21959015959: 46:18

Yeah, I think, you know, being that voice is important, um, not necessarily winning the vote. Um, and if you're true, true to yourself and true to the, you know, your customers, um, and the members that have entrusted us with this and being open to their feedback and asking for advice, you know, at the end of the day it's not about winning and losing. It's about what's best. And, you know, this is a first step in towards that. I believe

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 46:43

So Brian, did you get your info to sent in to Angus to be in the journal?

audioBrian21959015959: 46:49

I did just barely, but I did.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 46:51

did they do a a, like a pod interview or something that they've done with a lot of the other candidates? Or all the other candidates?

audioBrian21959015959: 46:59

They did. I believe they're out. So this'll be a while later now. Now it's a shorter format. Different questions than what you

audioKorbin11959015959: 47:06

Oh, so by the time this comes out, those will be released. What? What's the release date

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 47:10

I think they're released.

audioKorbin11959015959: 47:12

Oh, they're out now.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 47:14

I think I saw something about it yesterday.

audioKorbin11959015959: 47:17

Oh.

audioBrian21959015959: 47:18

I'd encourage you to listen to all 10 candidates. Um, you know, of course, you know, I, I would like the support of the de delegates to get on the board and I think I can do some things, but I, I think, you know, you know, I'd be, uh, unfair in saying that you should only consider us, um,'cause I don't wanna do that when I'm on the board either. I think you should cons consider all the, you know, candidates that are there and five of'em have a track record that you need to take into account as well. But, um. You know, I, I think it's worth listening to all five of those.

audioKorbin11959015959: 47:48

Absolutely. Um, so I guess, I guess you're, you're from, you've been, you've been gone away from home a lot over the last 20 years. Whenever you told your wife that you were gonna run for the board, uh, did you tell, did you ask her permission first or did you tell her and she's like, oh.

audioBrian21959015959: 48:07

So, you know, leading up to, I think the deadline was August 1st. Um, so leading up to that, we had the petition and then we kind of had all, hell break loose after. Of that and my phone was pretty constant. Um, in the month of July, um, we spend the month of July at our branch in Montana, and that's supposed to be family time and maybe some fishing. And I probably was holed up on the phone too much, but I think she asked me like, you're gonna run, aren't you? Um. It was a pretty deep conversation over a stretch of, of time. Um, I felt convicted about it just'cause I haven't been in this for a long time. Um, but everyone that was calling me to, you know, ask me to run were what had been and they said we need you. And so, um, you know, we prayed about it. It, you know, it was a big deal for us to, um, like you said, um. I went for being gone all the time and I promised my kids I wouldn't travel like that anymore. And I don't travel much now, but when I do, it's tough to say goodbye to them. And, um, this'll be four times a year for, you know, a, a week. And so, uh, that was a factor as well. But, um, it ultimately for us, when we prayed about and talked about it as a family, it was, um, this is really important. And something I've, you know, been vocal about and, and, and, uh, the members are looking to us to, to make some change and to, um, you know, to be that change. And so, um, I felt we've felt convicted, but obviously I had to decide myself too. I, I wanted to do it, but she was, she's a big support of mine and, um, ultimately, um, you know, she was right alongside me with that.

audioKorbin11959015959: 49:52

Awesome. So, so, um, I guess if you guys don't have any other questions, Brian, I'll open up to you. Is there anything else you wanted to touch on before we wrap up?

audioBrian21959015959: 50:03

Yeah, I think, um, you know, none of us are perfect candidates. I think it, you know, at the end of the day is, you know, I've. I've got a drive to try and find out what's best that I have experienced in that boardroom. Not that one in particular, but boardrooms like this at big corporations. And, um, that's a tough thing to navigate. And so, you know, I, I think that's something that a little bit different that I bring to the table. Um, I, I do wanna, you know, ultimately I'd like. If I, if I can serve, I'd like to leave it a better place than when we started, and I think there's a lot of things we could do to that. Um, I'm willing to fight har hard for it. Um, you know, ultimately, you know, I'm looking to get to know as many people as I can through this process as well. So, um, I've been calling delegates, but, you know, I'm, I'd love to hear from others. I'm gonna be at the. Um, I'm going to some tours and trying to visit some sales, and of course I'll be at the convention too. And so whether you wanna call me and you can find my info online about that, or if you want to, uh, you know, reach out. However, I would love to hear from you. I don't, we don't have to make you know the same points and have all the same things that we agree on, but I, I believe, um, you know, it, it would be valuable to get to know each of the delegates before you know the votes on November 2nd.

audioKorbin11959015959: 51:24

How can, how can people get in touch with you? What's the best way?

audioBrian21959015959: 51:29

Um, call, text, email, all my stuff's on the website, but, um,

audioKorbin11959015959: 51:33

What is and what is

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 51:34

It is a website.

audioBrian21959015959: 51:35

at palmer angus.com.

audioKorbin11959015959: 51:37

palmer.com.

audioBrian21959015959: 51:38

Yeah, I'm on social media too. You can message me there, whatever. Um, yeah, I, I, I'd love to hear from you and, uh, look forward to having the opportunity.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 51:49

I'll say that, uh, online. I met Brian through a guy, put out a shameless plug for me or something like that, and, and we got connected and Brian called me immediately and or text me immediately is what it was. And. Then, uh, picked up the phone and that conversation was exactly like this interview. It was real, it was candid, it was honest. It was, it was truthful. It was inspiring. And I'm thankful. And, um, I'm thankful for getting to know you and I'm thankful for you coming on the podcast and I'm thankful for you. Devoting the time with a small family, uh, to go and be willing to serve our organization and our membership, Brian. And, um, that's the one regret I have of being not on Logan's interview, is I didn't get to tell him the same because I think that I've been, uh, afforded a privilege that maybe is unfair of saying, you know what? My family's in a place and I don't, um, I'm not gonna run because I'm not ready for that. And, and, um. It's an incredible sacrifice that every board member with families is making and, um, we should all be thankful for that. And I know that this group of four is for sure, and, and I know Vince has some wrapping comments of where you can find some more information about Brian too, but. Just wanted to make clear. Um, thank you for making that sacrifice. Even if you don't get elected, it's taking an incredible amount of time and energy, and I do think it's had a real positive effect regardless of what the outcome is. In November, there has been a positive movement for sure. But go ahead, Vince.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 53:20

Would agree. Thank you for running and thank you for taking the time to come on here. Um, I, I did kinda look up on Facebook'cause I saw it the other day. If you go to the Angus Journal, uh, Facebook page, and you may have to scroll around a little bit on there, but you can find the, uh, all the candidates interviews.

audioKorbin11959015959: 53:41

Are they individual on there? Oh, okay. That

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 53:44

I, I, I think so. Uh, there's a, there's. A link under every, every person. it may be the same link for all of'em. I don't, no, there's a different number at the end, everyone. So they're all individual. So yeah, you can go listen to whoever and whatever. I, I encourage you to probably listen to all of them, uh, even the incumbents to see, you know, what they have to say and what their stance is if they say much at all. Um, and,

audioKorbin11959015959: 54:12

even be, well, we can talk off air, but it may even be worthwhile for us to go share those on our, uh, around the shoot page, those individual interviews so that people can get more information. But, um, Brian, uh, I can't thank you enough for your time. Both with this podcast being able to come on, so, so being so flexible with us, um, we've kind of rolling on tight schedules. It's hard to get four people on the same page, but I really appreciate you being flexible and I appreciate your time. Um, more than anything though, I appreciate your perspective. It's a fresh perspective. It's something that's maybe a little bit different. Uh, you've got a little bit different background than a lot of the other candidates that I think would be, um. It would be a net positive for a boardroom. Um, so I guess if you guys don't have anything else, thank you so much Brian. Uh, we'll be, uh oh. Did you get your room? Did you get your room, uh, booked

audioBrian21959015959: 55:10

I have room. Yes.

audioKorbin11959015959: 55:12

so? Uh, Josh is supposed to be getting ours, uh, booked. I think Josh Eves and me are going to drive up together,

audioBrian21959015959: 55:18

Oh, good.

audioKorbin11959015959: 55:19

hopefully Josh

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 55:20

Oh, Joe, are you gonna make it or no? You dunno.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 55:25

I don't know just yet. Um, I really, really want to, I have a lot of travel to do this fall, like a pile of it. Um, so we just have to get through this sale, see where we're at, and then, um, get dad's cows shipped outta the mountains and those sort of things, which I've got an incredible network of, of helpful people. Um, we just got a lot of work to get done.

audioKorbin11959015959: 55:45

All you gotta do is tell Abby, because you were saying earlier how Abby, um, went and vaccinated. And you were stead. So all you gotta do is say, Hey Abby, we gotta get dad's cows outta the mountains. I gotta go to Kansas City. You think she'd go for that?

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 55:59

the one scapegoat I had is like, I didn't have. One other good bridal horse. It's, that's, and like Abby's

audioKorbin11959015959: 56:06

Oh yeah.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 56:08

Well then my cousin called me and he is like, Hey, I got another horse I need to send up to you. Another really, really well broke one. And so now I have no excuse. Like they are perfectly all capable without me. I am unneeded at Bruin Ranch Now.

audioKorbin11959015959: 56:20

That's good.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 56:21

Corbin, did you see the sexy cover on

audioKorbin11959015959: 56:25

I did, I did. Uh, I wish, I wish this was before his sale so we could talk about, no, I don't really, really wanna go lot to lot, but just talk about building this sale book and all that sort of stuff. But, um, listen guys, there you are not gonna guess what I'm fixing to go watch on tv. I'm fixing to go watch TCU women's volleyball.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 56:48

Hey, you know what? I watched? I watched the star of Lioness meet with Pope Leo. all over online. She

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 56:58

That

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 56:58

met with a Pope. I was like, that's cool,

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 57:01

Yeah. That's

audioKorbin11959015959: 57:01

so, so this could be, Brian, do you, do you watch sports?

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 57:05

Oh no. Let's why.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 57:08

because he's the only listener we have that listens to this crap. That's why I want to hear about the, I want to hear about the Deebo

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 57:16

else. Everybody else, just, everybody else just logged off.

audioKorbin11959015959: 57:20

I just want to know, I just wanna know, Vince, you don't have to participate, but do you have any hot takes of, of where in, in four weeks, let's hear your hot take on anything. Sport, anything, anything related on what's gonna be a reality in four weeks. That's not a reality today. And we'll see if it even comes close.

audioBrian21959015959: 57:39

Oh. That's a pretty dangerous topic. I, it is not very hot, but I, I grew up a Chicago Bears fan and I think, we'll probably, I think we'll be oh and six.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 57:51

Dub

audioKorbin11959015959: 57:51

he says, oh, at six. Oh at six, I think, I think, I think Caleb has a lot of skills that, that we're not seeing yet. But yeah, it's, it's,

audioBrian21959015959: 58:02

We're, we're a pretty good place for quarterbacks to go to

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:05

I'll tell you what though, I've learned a lot. About Raiders fans and Bears fans. I mean, you guys are committed.

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:11

You gotta be, you know, who's not committed? Cowboys me as me as a cowboys man, because I'm like 30 years, man. I don't care if we win or lose, I don't care. I'm gonna watch,

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:23

know what Jerry's doing. That's it.

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:25

Yeah, whatever. So my hot take in four weeks, uh, TC u's gonna be undefeated. That's what's gonna happen.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:33

Who's gonna hire Dabo Swee?

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:37

Sorry, Renwick. Y'all suck.

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:40

I'm, was he wrong though? He wasn't wrong in that press conference, was he?

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:45

No,

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:46

No,

audioBrian21959015959: 58:47

They're just mad. They lost the tech. Yeah.

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:49

Just mad. Yeah. I actually watched that game. But anyways, that, that's enough. Um, that's enough. Because this is

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:56

but like two

audioKorbin11959015959: 58:56

I watched

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 58:57

we recorded, two weeks ago, we were like, Hey, Clemson, losing's gonna be old news by now. It's still current.

audioKorbin11959015959: 59:04

Yeah,

audioJoeFischer41959015959: 59:04

still be current. Sorry,

audioKorbin11959015959: 59:05

they're gonna be two and six, be two and six by the time this drops. But, um, anyways, sorry. Uh, sorry, sorry to you Vince. I'm a sports fan. I can't get enough of it. So, um, yeah. Brian, thank you so much. If you guys. are done, I'm done.

audioBrian21959015959: 59:24

you.

audioVinceSantini31959015959: 59:25

take it away, Tim.

59:28

We will see you next time around the shoot.