Prosperity & Guarantees

The script covers discussions on handling prosperity in the cattle business, emphasizing the importance of making thoughtful investments and maintaining customer relations. They discuss guarantees on cattle, including breeding guarantees, and the challenges of ensuring animal well-being across different environments. Additionally, the conversation touches on the experiences of insuring high-value cattle and ensuring mutual success for both breeders and buyers.

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But why? Okay, go ahead. Vince is like, Vince is like, Hey, welcome to around the shoot. Vince is like, would y'all quit talking so we can start, this is like, would you just push play then? Yeah, but what you were talking about just push not, was not no, what, what I was talking about. We've talked about on pretty well every episode, but we're not going to on this one. For those, for those who are new to the podcast, skipping the football chat today, we're gonna go right into Oh, that's right. We're gonna go right into Joe's trip to, we've been talking for 17 minutes and all of a sudden, Joe is his audio sounds terrible. No, it doesn't. I don't know how to fix that because he did, he sounded like the robot. It's still, still right now. No, it's better now, but he's not in Pax. He's not in Paxton's room today. No Bennett's room? No, because I went in there and there's just mountains of stuff everywhere. It's a, it is so bad. I mean, oh, that was Bennett's room. It's because he is home. Yeah. No, it's because he's home. Yeah. No, there's like energy drinks Dr. Pepper, so you could be be sitting there getting all jacked up while we're going. Vince, Vince, all the good candy's going. Vince, is there any candy in front of you right now, Vince? No. He done, he would've done been eating it, huh? Joe? No, I wouldn't been. Well, he is not in Nate's room anymore. I'm not in Nate's room. I have a sewing, Amy's sewing machine and I don't know what that is. Am I? Why do y'all play musical movies? How about this guy? What about this guy? Hey, I saw that cute sticker. Was that Tiger Woods? No. Amy embroidered that this tiger Wish he could. That's cool. Yeah, this tiger. What Tiger wish he could. Hey, Keon. Keon, what's his name? Keon. Coleman. Yeah. Yeah, Coleman, yeah. He's in kind of like, he's in the doggy house. It is not good right now for Ke Coleman. Are you talking, are you talking about football? No, I'm talking about No, he didn't do it. He didn't do it. Whatcha talking about? Uh, he didn't do it, man. What did he allegedly do? Oh, he's just, uh, he's just, he's a better personality than he is a talent. He's a kid and a coach got fired and then the owner said, well, the GM didn't even want to take this guy, but the coach did. So the GM was a team player. It's just getting, it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. And he's like, alright. He wasn't that highly drafted. He was like a second round pick. It's like, oh, we're really still riff, we're still like that deep into the weeds over this guy. But he was first round talent for comedy. He is. I, you know what, I'm a fan. I'm a huge fan. We was talking about those puffer coats he had. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, who, who is it that we're talking about? Keon Cole. He's nothing. He's Keon Coleman. He had like 400 yard excuse this year. I don't know the guy's name, but the crazy dude that you sent the video the other day, he was riding his horse to the ball game. Oh, he is? Xavier Legett. Oh, oh. He also part of that draft class. He's awesome. Yes. He's pretty awesome. Yeah. That was, that was honestly, we're talking about football. That was probably the best draft class of our lifetime. And those two players were not part of the greatness, but they were the best personalities. Absolutely. By a mile. Okay. Yeah. Nobody wants to, nobody cares about Oh, but, but Caleb's a pretty good personality, I guess. Wait, I believe it's today. Hang on, time out. We gotta give a shout out. Um. Yeah. Today's Thomas Win Busch's birthday. It was yesterday. It was yesterday. Happy birthday, Thomas. Was it yesterday? Yeah, it was yesterday. I'm sorry. It's also been, it doesn't matter because it's been a week now, or five days or six days. Yeah, we haven't returned. Don't it since your birthday either, Vince. He'll appreciate it. Yeah. Happy. How about that? Didn't you turn 50? Vince? Shut up. Oh. Did Amy get you a why TikTok shop? Grease trap. Amy didn't gimme nothing bull crap. We went out to eat and it was fine. I tell you what, you know what he got? He already, I don't even remember now. It is 12 days ago. She got him candy and he already ate it. No, that would've been a good gift. You had to gone to the bistro. I don't know. I, they went to Lawrenceburg forever. We did go to Lawrenceburg. Do you think, do you think, uh, do you think Amy didn't get him a gift because of, she's still mad about the grease trap? She's still mad about the grease trap. She might, I can't believe she didn't use it though. That What the hell? Yeah. Last night when I came in and she was making hamburger meat, spaghetti sauce, and she didn't even, so I don't know. What did she do? How do you, how do you, same way we always do. We use like 300 paper towels. She won't even try it. Try like a protest. Won't even, it wouldn't have held anything. You knows, like a spoonful. You're implicating yourself now. I don't, you're like, you're like, I don't, I don't even care anymore. You're like, I don't blame her. That was a stupid, I really don't blame her. I, he was a very, anyway. Oh, oh man. But it shows that I tried one year I come, I mean, I was. On top of it. I went and got her a thing for a Manny Petty, and I think it might have been a massage, and I got her flowers and a balloon for her birthday and I come strutting in the house with it. And she's like, what is all that? I said, she said, whose birthday?'cause the balloon said, AB your birthday. I said Yours. And she's like, yeah, next month. How'd you miss it? By a whole month. That's not pause. I had in my head it was June 21st and it's July 21st. If there was, oh my God. Okay. Of the three of us that would do that though, Joe, which one of us would it be? It would definitely be, oh, I had my months. I had my months mixed up. I'm gonna wish her happy birthday today.'cause this is January 21st and it sounds like June. Well, do you wanna know? The truth is she shares a birthday. With one. Josh Eves. Who did? Amy. That's a Amy cast. Amy, do you want to know why I know that his, his birthday's July 21st. Yeah. Do you wanna know why? I know that? Why do you know? Because he is your best friend. Yeah, well he is my best friend, but the reason I can remember his birthday is because my birthday's July 20th, so it's the day before Josh's. So it's easy for me to remember. Oh, that's incredible. And do you wanna know something else? July 18th is Millie's. It will be Millie's first birthday. Oh yeah. She's, man, July's full of them. But I'll tell you, in January 21st, what do we got going on in Loretta right now? Well, I tell you what, Lima, Lima, li, Loretta, we're really, we're the last house in Lima. We're really, oh, first one in Loretta, the ne The neighbor's the first one in Loretta. So. I used to get so mad because all the main farm power bills would come in and two weeks later, the shop power bills would come in because it's Loretta, do you wanna know what Ha Uh, and they wouldn't merge'em, so that's dumb. They would call me all the time. They're like, uh, hunter, the boy that used to work here, his wife worked up there. And she's like, they're gonna cut your power off the shop. And I was like, God, I just paid them. She's like, you know what? Those, those were not part of the bill during COVID. Um, I don't know what happened with the, they weren't, they, they tried to cut our power off. I don't remember what happened. It was so dumb though. It was because they didn't, that's what I'm saying. Didn't send Bill all that crap. So look, you can't lick the thing to mail it because of the COVID could be on it. Yeah. Yeah. We had a reason. Sorry, sorry. We thought the world wasn't, did you, did you guys hear Trump? Did you hear Trump today? Call it the COVID. The COVID. The COVID. That's good as the COVID. So Vince, does that bill go to the TVA? Is that who you pay? No, we pay Lawrence by utility system. Is the TVA still a thing? Oh, it's a big thing. Yes sir. Oh yeah. I got a lot of buddies that work there. It's LUS, it's just down the road. They pay L-U-S-L-U-S. That's right. LUSI tell you what, them boys are fixing to be earning their money the next couple weeks. Do you know who we pay our, we pay Lehigh water department for our water Lehigh. And they pay and they send the bill about once every six months. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, and it's never very much. So I think they forget. Vince, you said they're fixing to make their money or earn their money. What's coming your way is a bomb cyclone or something? Well, Corman is gonna get hammered. And then it's come to us. Oh my gosh. Like real snow. Are we talking like real snow? Or It might snow it. Foot, foot, foot and a half. Yeah. There's a lot places. 19 inches, half they're predicting and you know, like there'll be the little map where, where like the middle of it's just pink and the pink parts, it's 21 inches. And my house is like right in the middle of that son of a gun. And I'm like, oh, this is gonna be lovely. But, you know, are, are you really nervous, Vince? I mean, are you, I mean, no. The worst, if we get snow it's fine, but we get a lot of ice. The ice is terrible. The, the ice is terrible. And I think we're far enough north where my, my friends in north Texas, that, that seems to be where that ice, like it likes to hit here, but it really likes to hit North Texas and that stuff. The, the biggest impact it has is on baby calves A and power lines. That ice gets on power lines and it breaks'em, and then people are without power and it's just a disaster. Yep. Because it weighs'em down, you know? Joe, do y'all get any ice? Or do y'all pretty well just get sun and 60? No, no, no, no. Never, never. But do you guys have backup generators and stuff or no? Uhhuh. Oh, you do? The welder. Yeah. I got a welder, but I also went and got the generator and I got a generator. I got a generator too. I went and got the generator that we used to take to show cows and that thing was full of gas, so we had to drain all the gas.'cause we hadn't used it in, gosh, 6, 4, 5 years. That's a good idea, Vince. Maybe I should do that tomorrow. We, we got it. Rain running finally. Took us the whole day, but we finally got it cleaned up and running. You just have a plug hanging outta your, um, deal or how do you do it at the back barn? I do have, I can plug the welder generator in and it'll run the whole deal. But my house. Not your house? No, the house is, I mean, we have to run some extension cords or something. I'd say. I'd say as long as the vehicle start, I can do without power in the barns. But, but I'm telling you, whenever,'cause you must have city water then obviously Lehigh water. I don't, I have a Well, well then how do you live without power? Yeah. No, then I wouldn't have water. But yeah, that would Plus your toilets. Corbin. Okay. How do your cattle get water? I was just about to say the barns and stuff would be fine without water, but it's my house and my family that would be more concerned with if we were without power. Got it. And so therefore, if it hits the fan, the generator's coming over here to them and then they're gonna be warm and I'll just suffer.'cause I'll be outside with the cows and we'll just be shivering. So you have, you won't plug your house in who? Nobody's plugging their house in. I don't have, I plug my house in. I don't have that. Do you have, do you have the big disconnect deal? Yeah, were completely Well, that's sweet. Well, what we used to do is we used to have, we just shut off the main breaker and then I think my dad wired a deal that would run the power. I'm not an electrician, I'm not handy. Yeah. I think it was called the dryer plug. So this, uh, does this have more to do with the grid there in California than like weather? Yeah. Yeah. And, and if it gets, when it gets dry in the summertime. Yeah, anything happens at all. They shut it down. Oh, they've been sued so many times for these big, big fires. Anything happens. So when we got, we're actually renting this house. We sold our house, I don't know, four or five years ago, and we rented this one. And it's a long story that I won't tell you guys. It's a better deal for us anyways. One of the deals we cut with the landlord is we said, Hey, we'll put in a permanent, um, propane generator that runs off our propane tank and, and it automatically, if the power goes out, oh, that thing switching off, which y'all wanted, y'all wanted to do that anyway, y'all wanted. Well, and this house is, I mean, other than the, the cooktop, everything is electric, everything. And so it's like, so you'd be just screwed. Oh yeah. No, and, and the heater is natural gas, the air conditioner. But it takes an electric start. Yeah. Our is electric. I mean our house is, everything's electric except for we got propane stove and that's it. And we, we do have a fireplace, but that's it. I don't have that. Everything's electric. You don't have a fireplace either, Vince? I have a fireplace, but it's not usable. I got a fireplace, but I don't have any wood to put in it. I mean, I got no, there's a fire, the roof for years. It always leaked around it. Yeah. Like the 27th time I was like, what would you charge me just to knock that dude off and plywood over it and put a roof over it? He's like 500 bucks. I was like, do it. So it doesn't, it really won't work. I mean, if you, it looks nice in my living room, but I don't know. If you had gas logs, would you have to have the vent still? I, I don't know how that works. Yeah, I'd say you had use the vent. Yeah. If you have any sort of combustion, I'd recommend a vent. That's what I thought so called the builder. But I wouldn't, wouldn't, that's why we never really got around to doing the gas log. Wouldn't be, wouldn't be OSHA approved. Right. No, what you're gonna have is you're gonna have a generator plugged in out, you're gonna have a generator running outside and you're gonna run an extension cord inside. Probably. That's what I do too. So years ago, this place, I mean, it didn't matter. We would lose power multiple days a week. Ugh. And they came through and trimmed power trees way back and all this stuff. And we rarely lose power now, but, so that's all it was, was just poor maintenance. Yeah. But in 94, actually, Amy and I's first date February of 94. Um, remembers that, but can't remember her birthday. We had a giant ice storm and we, I mean like Lawrence County didn't have power for weeks. Do you wanna know what happened in, uh, two days before that in Le Lehigh, Oklahoma? What? They had a big winter storm there too. 94, I'm just guessing.'cause it always happens two days before, probably. It always happens. It always happens here. Two days before it happens at Vince's house. And they're saying the local, the local weather guy, Ben Luna, he gets all worked up. He said this is gonna be the biggest storm we've had since the eighties. Well see, that's what Pete Delica said for our area too. Really? Yeah. They're all saying that. Do you, you think, do you guys get Del and Van Luna know each other? Do you guys get, so, uh, what about this European thing that I'm saying European. It's a European, have you seen it? The model. Oh, the model. No, I haven't seen it. Oh, it's, it's even saying it's gonna snow 14 inches and you're like, oh, hallelujah. I guess it's right. Huh? What do Europeans know about Oklahoma and Tennessee? Yeah. Why are they looking at, why are they watching our weather? What are they doing? I can see Joe, did you see those guys over in Italy when you were over there looking at our weather model? She, you know what I'm worried about? I'm worried that the reception's not good. Do you guys keep jumping around? Are you jumping around at all? No. Like you're screen chattering? No. No. Me and Vince have been having pretty good conversation. Yeah, we've been having a big time. You missed all that. Yeah, yeah. No, it was good. It was, it was quality. No. Italy, uh, was interesting. It was, did you see any of my people. Um, I did, yes, I saw. Hey, Bob. Good news. Yeah, I saw, I saw, um, I will say this, the food is not over advertised. It's good. I would say that has been, it is good. It is absolutely good. And it's not expensive if you're used to eating in California. I mean, we were eating cheaper than we'd eat in California. Um, and Nice. So you say, you, you could say, you could almost say you saved money by going to Italy, right, Vince? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I don't think we, I, I mean, what we'd budget for food at home. We didn't spend any more in Italy. That's awesome. So where, where all did you go? You said you went to Switzerland? We flew into Zurich, Switzerland, because that's where Trump flew into last night too, by the way. Um, and then we rode on this train. Down through the Swiss Alps and it was like this, uh, you can go to the back of the train and sit in it and like had great big windows. You could open the windows and stuff. And that was gorgeous. That was very, very, very beautiful. It's very beautiful. That was incredible. This was very beautiful. This is where Joe wore, this is where Joe wore his puffy jacket, for those of you that are interested in his attire. That's where it was cold. I wore a puffy jacket every dog on day Corbin. It was cold. You did everywhere. Yes. Oh yes. You thin skin. And uh, uh, it was chilly and it's a wet, damp, cold. You know that feeling like when it's wet and damp and you start getting sick calves and stuff. And that's, that's what it was like the whole time there. Um, then we went down to middle lawn, I think was the next town we went to, and we stayed a night there and that was pretty cool. And then we went to Florence for two nights and, um, not Florence Next Fi, Loretta Florence in Italy. We went to Florence. Florence and they went to Florence. You went to Florence? Correct. So, so question, did you travel by train the whole time or, or did you just travel from the Swiss Alps to Italy? On train. Dude, I'm gonna tell you something. This is a little hack for Americans. You do not want to drive in that place. Really? No way. Why? No, no, no, no, no. They drive crazy, man. Really? And you can't read any of the signs. Everybody will tell you, everybody's like, oh, everybody speaks English. You don't have to worry about that, Joe. That's what they're telling me before I leave friends of mine. Oh, everybody speaks English. No they don't. No they don't. And there aren't signs that you can read and Italian, everybody's like, oh yeah, it is just like Spanish. It's similar. Well, my Spanish is rusty, but it's doable. It's similar. It's sort of not really kind of similar. I mean similar, it's from the same region, I guess, but we may do ish. But then there were some times I'm like, I guy would come up from the train and he'd wanna validate your ticket or whatever. I'm like, I don't speak that I, so here's what I've, I've always wondered too, like it looks like everything's really close together. So do you have to show your passport every time you go across the state line, or, we didn't have to show our passport from Switzerland into Italy. We had to show our passport when we got into Switzerland though, and they took our picture and our fore fingerprints. Anybody that's for open borders and all that stuff, I'm just gonna tell you right now, you need to just go travel somewhere and see how other countries handle their borders. Let's just get there. They're not over. This is not a political story or a political show. But yeah, no, no. There's a lot of things that I think a lot of people think of Europe that I've found by going there. We live in a pretty amazing place, man. I mean, so you were think, you were just thinking based on their politics, it was just gonna be this crazy liberal place, but it's really not quite, I don't even, I don't even know what I thought of their politics. The, the food was incredible. The sites are incredible. You know, for me, being Catholic and being right in the epicenter of the Vatican City and all those churches and all that history, you know, you're, there's, there's saints that we pray to that, you know, um, and patron saints of certain things that are important to, to, to our religion and, uh, you know, those, you get to go see their tomb. Like, I mean, this is just incredible. And you get to see a church that was built 2000 years ago. I mean, that's incredible. The architecture is incredible. So you went to the Vatican. Oh yeah, yeah. I asked you that, but I don't think you were answer. Didn't you say, didn't you say you went to a church service at the va or was it you had to go to one that was down the street to one of those. That's great. One of'em was one of the churches you went to that wasn't an all operating church anymore, but you went to one that was close by or something. Dude, we, we did all the churches and some of'em were operating and some were not. Um, you know, probably I'll summarize it like this and say the coolest, there's a little town called Assisi, which looks like a castle. I mean, the, the bricks and stuff are all hand smacked or whatever they do. Like you got to see some guys replacing some bricks and they actually have guys with pneumatic air hammers sitting there, chipping little chunks off to get'em to match the rest of the roads and stuff. Really. Um, yeah, it's, it's, that's awesome. Absolutely incredible. And then you find out. That city, the entire city has 400 residents in the wintertime. Oh wow. And their winter is the same as us. And it's basically the wealthy people from like Rome would go up there in the summertime'cause it's a little bit nicer or whatever. And it's a pretty, ah, high rent district, if you will. Um, we were there during definitely the off time. I personally for, for how I live and I know that a lot of our listeners gimme crap for being in California and stuff. But I live very, very rurally and not a lot of congestion in people. Um, probably more than Vince and Corbin are exposed to, but, but on the daily we don't see a lot of people that aren't within our family. And it was, it was a lot for me. It was a lot. Uh, they have a ton of public transportation. So, and, and these trams. And transits and I didn't have a problem navigating all that stuff. It was fine. You just go downstairs and you follow the little maps where you're going, you get these tickets and stuff. I was shocked though, by the people, you know, I think California, you really get exposed to some of the worst actors in terms of being courteous or, or kind. And I've never seen behavior, uh, in California, like some of the behavior I saw when we were in some of those bigger cities. Um, people just kind of run you over and don't let old people go ahead or anything like that. And so that was a little bit of a culture shock for me. I'll tell you another culture shock once I got to Rome was those buildings are so close together. Oh yeah. That if you're on the pathways and the roads, which some of them are, are one way, and those buildings are so tall, you could go all day with seeing the sun for like five minutes. Oh, it's behind when it's directly above you. Yeah. Yeah. And when you get out in front of the buildings, you're like, oh God, thank God there's the sun. You know? And it's cold too, huh? Yes. It's cold and there was no sun. So that was, that was really interesting. And something I didn't count on. Um, all the houses we stayed at, we did the, um, VRBO or VRBO. Oh yeah, that's cool. And we had all that planned. And, um, uh, they were all great hosts. I mean, nice places. Um, very affordable quality people. That was all fantastic. Any historic type places you got to stay at? We stayed in Assisi and I mean. It's, it's hard to explain, but these great big doors that are on the side of these, of these buildings, huge buildings, like five, six story stall, and you see a wooden door and it's like a 14, 15 foot tall door, and it's got like a little gnome, eight foot door cut out of it. And you go through there and it's a different courtyard. It's like a different city back in there. Oh yeah. And that's where the houses are. So it's almost like maybe when those things were originally built, it was to fortify them against intruders or something. Could be, yeah. I would assume. Yeah. So, and, and I'll tell you, it was the weirdest mind warp guys, because I kept thinking it was like I was, uh, I was like, man, I'll bet you this is what it was like in the old times. And then I went. Wait, this is exactly what it was like in the old times.'cause these are the same buildings. It's still way, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, so you know how you see those, I see those videos of, of people riding down a river and you look up and there's like big stone structures. Are there any waterways like that? Because did you get to see anything? Yeah, there, there are waterways. Got to see the, the coliseum, you know, is that water is blue? Is that water blue or is it dirty? I did not see blue water. You didn't see blue water? Oh well I just, well, I think co I'm not going, you're talking about the ocean. Yeah, maybe I'm talking about more like the ocean water is cl is very blue and I think, or maybe I'm talking more about like Greece, what you're talking about, like the gorgeous water Corbin. Yeah, it's probably a reflection from the sky. A lot of it. And that's the big blue summer days in Naples and Oh yeah. Around Sicily. Oh, absolutely. Some of those places. And we didn't go to Naples. A friend of ours there right now and he's in Naples and it, it's a completely different kind of a trip. Um, but yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was great to be with the family. I mean, there's no time like the present to do things you've always wanted to do. We got to go to the general audience with the Pope, which was just fantastic. Oh, that's cool. You know, when I sleep. I did not sleep well. I'm still not sleeping well. I'm sleeping like two hour increments. Uh, yeah. Joe was, Joe was texting. It was, it was like, um, one night, it was like 10 30 here and I was trying to get Millie to go to bed and Joe was texting me and him texting back and forth for like an hour. Yeah, it was, it would've been 7:00 AM now It was because he, he's never, Joe's never texted me that much, but it was because it was the middle of the night. So he was texting me. It was his middle of the night and he had nothing else to do. Couldn't see. Oh man. When you were going through the towns and stuff, about two, three o'clock, did they shut down the businesses? Um, we, in the afternoon. Yeah. From 12 to three, you can't get nothing done. Why? That's because they shut down. They go home, they take naps, and they come back out and come. That's sick. Yes. Yes, yes. If you wanna know what would happen here, if I took a three hour break, there would be a half a ranch that wasn't run. I'll tell you what, but how late do they stay open? When they open back up. That's the crazy part. We, we did not have to wait for dinner service one time. We got seated anytime, because we eat dinner like five, six at night, so we were extending it out to seven. A lot of those places did not open for their dinner service until 7:00 PM Yeah, and they stayed late. Late until late. So late. It's weird, it's different. It's definitely different. Now, when I say about the, the courteousness of people, those are like the big city kind of crowds, the servers, the restaurant owners, those kind of people. Fabulous, fabulous. Very hospitable. I mean, I guess if you think about it, their entire economy is tourism, so, right. They know how to be kind to people that are visitors. Um, and we got an early start on all the Vatican stuff. So before the crowds, um, we were able to soak all that in. But it was, it was an incredible trip. I would, uh, whenever you go on that big of a trip, I think is a challenge because you or I, I think we may never come here again in my lifetime, right? So I wanna, you gotta do it all. You gotta do it all. You gotta do it all. You gotta go, go, go, go, go. I don't think that's the right way to do it. No, very relaxing. It was not right. It was a, it was a chore and Right. Another thing I learned is, listen, if I go over there, I'm gonna do the same thing. Right you are. That's how Amy makes Disney. We gotta go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And you know what I wanna do? I want, I just wanna pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I do not want, I want to go to bed. I want apart for us, you know, we only stayed in two places multiple nights. The other ones were one night. Oh wow. So for staying one night checkout is at like 10 in the morning. So you're lugging your bags with you everywhere. Like have to walk a mile to our new place and you're lugging roller bags, just like so you know, it. It was a good trip though, to be with the family. It was good to be away. Um, really, really thankful to Wyatt. I mean, he did not have an easy time while we were gone. It was a challenge. And, uh, thank you Wyatt. Thank you Wyatt. He work for us. Very thankful. But yeah, I mean, it was, it was picking up Bennett that really just kind of hit us in the face where we're like, man, we ain't gonna have a lot of opportunities to all be under one roof again. If this is something we want to do, we gotta do it. And, uh, that's, that's cool. Kudo. Glad we dodos. Kudos to you for taking the time because it's, it's really hard. It's hard. It's, it's really easy to make an excuse not to, Hey, here's a fun one for you guys. Where would you even start on where you want to go in a plan on a trip like that? You know, Abby did it. I didn't. Right? I have no clue. That's obvious what she, she, uh, I. Chat. GBT is that what she did? Shut, and she freaking typed it into chat GBT and said, what are the must sees for a person wanting to combine religion and cultural experiences, blah, blah. Like she typed in this whole prompt and it, it did the itineration, it did the whole thing. And I, and she put, I have 10 days or whatever. Yes. Yes. And then did it do, did it, did it like find the verb BBOs too? I don't know what she did about vrbo. I don't know the answer to that. But then we have a, um, one of my best friends is, is our priest and he's been to Italy a lot and knows a lot about it. So then she gave that itinerary, she had him over for dinner. Oh yeah. Gave that itinerary to him and he goes, okay, you don't wanna be waiting to see the statue at David, for instance, they're gonna charge you 50 bucks to go in there and there's gonna be 10 million people cross that off. Instead go see this instead. Go see this. I see. Yeah. And he did a couple of them, but chat GBT was pretty close. It was crazy, man. Yeah. Amy used it for everything and be like, chat GPT tell me what I have to see in Oma, Tennessee. Yeah, you and this just be like a picture of Vince. A picture of Vince, my in-laws did that, uh, it'd be a a, a cutout fat head of him in, in him smiling just like he is right now. 30 day road trip dude. 30 day road trip. Really? They typed in there and that's how my wife suggested to me, me. She goes, Hey, you should try that. And they did and it, they stayed at some national parks. They had a mix of it. So eating only beef and yeah, eating only steak for dinner. We have always wanted to go to some of these places like, well, just like when we went to the convention, like there was probably a lot of things we could have hit on the way out and on the way back and like if we wanna go to a cow sale or something and make it more than just a cow deal, I never thought about checking with chat GTPG, I would GPT or whatever the hell it is, gt. I definitely would. Yeah, I definitely would. I so anyways, that trip was once in a lifetime. Anybody that says, man, the flight would kill me. You know what? The flight was not that bad. It really wasn't. I watched. I've never watched The Godfather. Don't get mad. Vince, did you watch? He watched because he was gonna Italy, he was trying to get in the vibe going, he was trying to get his vibe right. I was so mad. Didn't have Godfather three. He was, he didn't have it full mafia. He probably didn't have time to watch all three of them. I've watched the first two though, I'll tell you that. Poor Fredo. Oh man, he's such an idiot. Oh my gosh. That is hilarious. So, so Joe's watching the Godfather thinking he's about to go mafia on some Me. Oh my God. Oh yeah. So anyway, what else are we gonna talk about? This is this little, this little cowboy from California with his cowboy hat on. I didn't take a cowboy hat. They're cumbersome to take on planes, I would say. Oh, they are, they're pain. They're such pain. Um, they're a pain period. Anyway, so, so, and, and, and breaking news. Lawrenceburg got the Waffle House is open. We got a waffle house. Ooh, they're still building those. A new one. Yeah, brand new. And they're building one in the next county over too. They must be on a, they must be building. Fun fact, I've, I've never, never been to one. I cannot believe that we're friends. What is wrong with y'all? You know how far I'd have to travel to find one? It's it's southern hibachi. Yeah. No, uh, we had this place called, oh my God. We had this place called Old South Pancake House, and it claimed to be the first ever Pancake house. So that was kind of our Waffle House. Well, if you ever come here, you have to go to the Waffle House. Is it a little bit like ihop? It is the griest. Like you walk in the building and you're like, this is so gross. But the food is so good. Good. Like you walk in, you walk in and you wait 10 minutes before you walk out.'cause you don't know for sure. No, you don't walk out. You don't. If you've ever, if you've ever eaten there, you will not walk out. You Wait, I just searched Waffle House. I searched. Is it one word or two? Two. They don't pop up. They do not pop up. Waffle House is near me. No. And I'm all the way to Sacramento. That's an hour away. Let me, let me see if I, I'm say, you're probably gonna have to get to Texas or something. It's a southern thing. There might be, there's, there might be one in Oklahoma. There's a waffle Shoppy in Durant. I have Texas Roadhouses on here. All the way to down by, let's see. I've got'em. Down in San Luis Obispo County. I've got'em in la. Yeah. There ain't a Waffle House in California I don't think. No, I wouldn't think so. Yeah, that's too bad. I think they're a lot better to talk about than they're to go to, but don't tell me. Oh no. They're way better to go to Buddy. I mean, are they like a Pecos? I don't know. ACOs, what a Pericos is. Maybe that's our Waffle House. It could be. You've never been to Peco then. Okay. Any, anyway, anyway, um, we've been preparing for the winter storm. Tomorrow the Golden Corral goes up. Speaking of chain restaurants. Yes, there will be pictures on, uh, the Facebook page coming soon. Awesome, man. If, I hope that golden crow hands in there. But otherwise we'll get to open a new tarp and there's no telling what that might be. You know, a lot of people are probably gonna be listening to this dealing with the winter storm. Boy, I actually almost wanna see a mystery tarp act at this point. Me too. Can you make it happen? There's one at the back barn that we hang in front of the chute. It's just small, and we cut it out and put it there and it was, it is some kind of pirate thing. I have, I have no clue what it is. Oh my God. Oh, that makes me, that episode of Landman. There is one, I'll have to tell you about it after we get off. Uh, on the, uh, it sounds dirty. I don't think that it is dirty, but it sounds dirty. Like on the corner of the tarp it tells you what it is. Like there's a little tiny picture of it and it says Waffle House or. Doesn't say water class. It doesn't say wildas, zip promiscuous. So maybe I, it might not be, I don't know. It could be a waterpark. I don't know what it is. All I know is, all I know is we saw it and we're like, Hmm, I wonder what this thing is. I don't know what water wonderland means, but I don't know. I dunno. I dunno. Anyway, um, outside of that, we're just calving and trying to keep calves alive and it's gonna get harder. So I had a couple calves today. This storm is scheduled to hit as, as we're talking right now. It's probably gonna be about 72 hours here, Vince. It's probably gonna be a little longer than that for you though. Oh, he's coughing. That's great. That's great. Radio. Friday night. Friday night. Friday night. Oh, so it's gonna hit, it's gonna hit even earlier for you than it is for me. Oh, no. About the same time. About the same time. How do you have to cattle? I don't know. It's coming from a You put cattle indoors too, Corbin. Uh, so what I did today for the heifers, if they happen to calve, I put, I set up two stalls for'em today, and it'd be a pain in the butt for me to get'em over there. But if I have to, I wanted to have that, that option. Uh, but for the cows, it's pretty much gonna just be all hands on deck, checking'em all the time. And if they're gonna have a baby, I'm gonna be right there and I'm gonna, I'm gonna let her do it if she can. But if she can't, then I'll throw that thing in the truck, warm it up, uh, get colostrum in it, do what I have to do, and then put it back out with mom. But, um, because these storms are so infrequent, it gets once every four or five years. So because of that, we don't really have, we have outside, uh, and 99.9% of the time it's no problem. But if the storm hits just perfect on the perfect weekend and the perfect year, then we have problems. And so, uh. No, our cattle are out. Our cattle are out. This is the, Vince wouldn't the third time in a row for us. Third year in a row. Third year in a row. So you need a barn to Calvin then? Honestly. Well, it happens if it's gonna happen that frequently. Luckily, luckily we have. It wasn't built built. It wasn't built for calving, but, but you can use it for that. That's what I, and that's, and that's kind of how I got that for the, I've got that by the house for, but I've got cows that are three miles away from me too, that I, there's no way that I could get'em home. Right. Those cows will do it though. Right. Then those cows are, that's why we run as cows. Did you know, did you guys realize that That's why we, that's why we do what we do. Is it because the Angus cows, they can adapt and they can do it. They're tough. What do you do? What do you do? Well, nevermind. No, ask no. Is it mean? Was it, was he about to be mean to me, Joe? No, it's not mean. I'm not as smooth as Joe. I'm not as a transition as Joe. And you like, what if it's bad, but this, this, this, this is part of what we're gonna discuss. Oh, the bad, the bad times. Oh, so, oh, yeah, yeah. You know, also, I see what you were attempting to, I was, I was attempting to word it eloquently like Joe, but I, I didn't, I didn't, I couldn't channel my inner Joe. It's hard to do. I know. Maybe Joe can do it now. Often imitated never replicated. I would say that. I can't wait to hear this. No. It would've been a better transition around Italy, wouldn't it? Yeah. A better transition around Italy because what Corbin said on the text thread, this is our central topic, and then we actually have a smaller topic too, the Vince brought up and we were discussing here a couple days ago, but you know, a lot of us are having to use, get used to or adapt to prosperity. Um, you know, like we've been broke our whole lives and finally we're still broke. Well, yeah, I'm broke and in the big scheme of things, I'm less, a lot of us are because we're paying off debt or we're getting healthy or we're trying to maybe upgrade on some equipment. Um, but I thought it was interesting how Corbin phrased it to me. It's like. We have a good bull sale, or you sell a bunch of calves for three times more than you budgeted to how do you not just spend money like a drunken sailor, but how do you buy the things you need and, and how do you manage these times of prosperity? And then we could flip it around and say, how do you manage scarcity? Well, I think we know how we do that. You buy less and you spend less, right? Um, that's the bottom line there. But do you wanna know how I end up prospect? What do you think? What do you think, Corbin, by buying less and spending less, um, because of the bad times, I'm the type of person that'll just do without at this point. Uh, I, I mean, if we can fix it ourselves around here, we're gonna fix it ourselves because, um, money's been tight. It's been hard. It's been really hard. And when it's been that hard, you learn to get tough. And so then it's hard to turn that off. And I haven't figured out how to. How to be, how to use, having better times to my advantage. And so that's why I brought the topic up, is because I really don't know the answer. I really don't know how to act whenever things are a little bit better. Are you tighter? Are you tighter now than you were and things are tight? No, no, no. Things aren't as tight, but I still am ti I'm a tight wad. He wants to, he wants to live like they're tight. Yeah. Well, here's the thing, and I don't know how not to, you don't know when the bottom's gonna fall out and you're gonna be right back. No. And that's what my fear is.'cause 14, 15, we did the same thing. Yep. And I went, and I, and I went and did more than I should at that time. Yep. And so now, uh, I learned my lesson. 11 years later, I'm not doing that again. So that's the thing, like these row crop guys, they've went out and they bought all this new equipment and all this stuff. Well, the problem is you've got multiple year notes for that. And now things are not looking too spiffy between, um, over. There's so much corn out there, like it's not worth anything. Everybody grew so much and had so much of a yield. And then fertilizer prices are high. And you know, some of these guys up, you know, in corn belt, they're paying several hundred dollars rent per acre and you know, and then you have, you know, a million dollar combine and a six,$700,000 tractor or two or three of those. And I tell you what, it don't take too long for'em to, you know, too many bad years for all that to come to a screeching halt. That's ama that's amazing. When you start putting dollars and cents to, to the cost of some of that equipment, it's nuts. And here we don't wanna, we don't wanna spend 20 grand on a hydraulic sheet or 40 or whatever it is. I mean, that's my entire revenue for an entire year. Right. For one tractor. Right. Whew. That's wild. So I'll tell you what I did, Corbin, um. At the end of the year, there was a short list of things that I needed done, and we were able to get'em done. Um, I had a barn that was falling down that we figure rebuild costs on the barn is about two 250,000 probably. I got a quote at one time for 58,000 to get this barn from leaning so far. Uh, buddy of mine came and he was actually, he moved it over two feet. That's how lean in the barn was. Oh wow. He moved it two feet. And the barn is, it's a hay barn that we could put five semi loads in and still have room in the front and on both of the skirts on the side. Oh, wow. And so it's like, that's a pretty good size barn then. Yeah. Is it 60 by, I think it's like 60 by 99 Is, is good dimension or right outta yard. Oh wow. So it's a huge barn and he moved that whole thing over two feet and he charged me like 17,000. So we spent some money there. So I think that's important though. Like when you're saying you got, you got a quote for this and you spent this still be conscientious, people still be. Look at what you're spending money on and think before you say, yeah, let's do it just because you have the money. Let's think about it. And I, I priced the silencer. I priced the silencer, and I was like, man, I just don't have enough cattle to justify this. And so I was wearing vents out over his foremost chute and a bunch of friends. And, um, we did order a foremost and got it paid for and I'm pretty excited about that. What, did you get the four 50 or did you get a hydraulic No, I got a manual 1, 4 50 i one, whatever the big saddest one is. I think it's the four 50. And then got a palp cage put in it. And that took something that, you know, a price quote for basically the silencer you would want is 48, 50,000 right now. And we don't, are you kidding me? I'm not kidding you. Not at all. Uhuh. 50,000. Absolutely. Geez. You know what? I paid for my hydraulic shoot 12 years ago. I paid 12. Yeah. No silencers are no now silencers were like, but they were like 18 then. Yeah. And even then I thought, no way. Yep. So 48,000. So what was the foremost, the foremost with all the bells and whistles and freighted to California was just a, a hair over nine. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I got. My But you got a used one somewhere. You couldn't your floor in it. My, my bet, my vet, I bet she didn't run a hundred cows through it. She, she didn't like it. She thought she wanted to be an embryologist and she made so much more money boarding cats and dogs. So she closed all that in, that she had for the animals and made more boardrooms and$5,500. Oh, good for you. You're a lucky duck man. Oh man. And there was nothing wrong. There was nothing wrong with the floor, but those floors don't last. And I put a, I put a, like a three, six. Did you put a rebar? Six? I put a three 16th sheet. Oh, okay. What's on'em when you get'em? Oh, like just diamond plate. It's, oh, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. My, the floor on mine is, huh? I put some, uh, cleats. Yeah, I put every, I did it the width of a shovel, I think it was nine and a half inches. So you could take a shovel through there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we wash it out every time we use it. But it is, I will say this, it is slicker than I did the same floor in the chute that was there before. And it, it didn't seem as bad. Something about this new. Did you get the neck extension to do the neck shots? Uh, yes. I believe so. It's something about that it freaks'em out, like, oh, I've never had that before. I love it. It is awesome. I never thought I would like it, but it You have to open it every time or you just leave it open? Because I think the You can, you can leave it open, but I, yeah. My father, we push it too. The aero quip has that thing. Well, it's great anyway. Yeah. But it is great. It's something weird about, and we have a breast bar. You get the breast bar. Got the breast bar. I hate those. Well, ours comes right out, but it, it's, it, it rigged the ca the cat. It, something's different about it. And the cattle didn't like it. And it's probably because we keep it clean now. We never kept it clean before. Yeah. They like seeing dirt. Yeah. Just looking like the ground. Looks like we wash, we wash our cattle trailer out every time we use it. Well, the very, very first load, I mean, it's impossible to get cows in there. Hey, try this. Um, I, this is what I used to do when I was religious about cleaning things. Mm-hmm. Um, I'd go to the place where they give you sandbags for flooding. Yeah, and I'd always have a couple sandbags sitting there and after we cleaned it, I'd just dust some sandbags on there and it'd make it so they don't slide as bad. Or what if you just bought some flakes from Tractor Supply? What if, what if you don't have sandbags because you don't have flooding? You are gonna have flooding. There'll be flooding in Loretta this week. You know what you need to do? You to go, I'm sure, but we don't have a freaking place to go get sandbags. Go to the tva. Just get a couple of them. Just get a couple of them. TVA has a lot of stuff. Or go to, do you have a Lowe's or a Home Depot? Maybe they got it at Waffle House Now. You don't discount the Waffle House now. I don't even know what's there. I've never been to one. Yeah, yeah. Do you know, know what's there? Have you never seen where these, these people go in there and that the employees beat'em up because they're trying to like rob the place and employees? You seen the, seen those, those, uh, those videos of the, it's like a fake video of that funny guy where he's like standing out, I'm not here at the Waffle House and they're gonna cut my pay. And he is holding his cigarette with his Waffle house. The guy with the fake ponytail? Yeah. Yes. He's hilarious. They're gonna cut all our pay. Okay. So I think in times of prosperity, in times of prosperity, both from a tax perspective and then running a business, you really should consider what are the things I'm gonna need? Yeah, I mean we had, we had two, four-wheelers and I learned my lesson last year. We had a good bull sale last year and I was like, man, we're gonna limp these through. What happened? I didn't spend money at the end of the year and in April I had to go buy a new four-wheeler. So after you paid taxes? Exactly, yeah. And so we went and bought, we had to buy a new side by side. Um, and then we bought two, four wheelers. And I'm sure there's somebody from my Ranching for Profit class that'll be critical of me for that. But. We just don't, we're not handy enough around here to keep rigs running. I need to be able to grab one of those Hondas and start it and go. And it seems like when you really, really start fixing on those things, you're gonna keep fixing on them and, uh, yeah. You never, you fix and you fix and you fix and you gotta to fix it. So, but I got one right down. You get something else fixing something breaks. Yeah. Vince, you use, you use Hondas, don't you? I do. I had Polaris and it was like, cordon was saying like, I mean, it was constantly junk, the same thing. Do you have one cord? I'm, I'm Honda only baby. Yeah, I got only Honda. I do have a Polaris ranger. No Honda. Hey, listen to this. The new Honda four wheelers. Mm-hmm. The brand new ones. I think it, I think this one is a rancher. Mm-hmm. Reverse has its own little finger thing. That's, that's Hondas. It's not the push down and it's this little red tab that sticks out. Oh, mine has that. Yeah. And it'll go from forward to reverse too. It'll skip neutral. Do you, are they automatic now? No, mine don't do that. You gotta hit neutral. This, this is it automatic. The 26, I think mine's automatic. Automatic, yeah. Dang. I bought my knee. But my shift too. I can do manual shift. Yeah. But I don't like that because it, it doesn't shift smooth. I'd rather have a pedal shift. To be honest. I've gotten where I like these automatics. I, well I got a pedal shift. I bought a pedal shift'cause I was worried about the contacts. How after like 20,000 miles they don't go right. So I bought a pedal shifter last year too. And I do not like it. You have to ride it side saddle and hit it with, or I have to with my right foot because if I try to do it straddled with my left foot, I can't get it to work. Right.'cause you don't have big enough leg muscles. Uh, maybe. Maybe I have fibromyalgia. Is it like Right. Can't. He's right footed right? He's right footed. No, but I gotta, I'm telling you, I gotta ride it size saddle. You can't pick it up high enough. Maybe your, yeah, yeah you can. Maybe your pedal needs to be adjusted. Well I didn't even know you could do that. It's got splines and you can pull it off and rotate it just a little and put it right back on. That's what I need to do. Some of us are just, some of us just need to be on a horse. I think so. I don't know. Some of us need to be on a horse and some of us need automatic four wheelers. And there's a big difference. If you've gotta get a cow in a field and things get fast, I'll never lose one with an automatic, but I'll lose'em With a pedal shift or sometimes Well, yes. Once you get to riding automatics and you have to hop on the pedal shift, that's where you get screwed. Oh, absolutely. Because that's, I You're not used to it. We don't have any non petal shifts. So you used keep your pedal shift in like third gear? Mm. Yeah. And just spin around and stuff second and third. Yeah. The kids had. How about kids? Had some recons. They're little. That's what I got. That's what I got. Dude. That's, you wanna talk about a cutting horse? Oh, they rip. That's a cutting horse. You can turn a circle. Yeah, but I tell you what, four wheel driver or they too? Two. Makes. Two. And you know what? You could pick'em up out of the mud. You just pick'em up. Now if you, if you go through a mud hole, you're going to stick in it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's So you gotta hit it wide up. Yes. Sometimes you can wiggle your way out of it, you know, rock back and forth out of it. But man, those things cut so hard. Cows will try to get around here. Like, not today, baby. Yeah, no. How about the, the new, uh, you guys, do you use the ones with, uh, power steering? No. Oh, I tell you what, mine does not have power steering, man. It's different. They say it's pretty awesome. Oh, it's so good. It's different and like you don't even know it until it goes out or something. Like you don't listen. My dad's, my dad's has power steering like that. It's just so smooth. I don't get on my near as much as I used to because my dad's has power steering and it's parked next to mine and he's not there to ride it. So I pretty well just get on his. It's that big of a, it's a game changer. Oh, it's so, it's so nice. It's a game changer. And, but I will tell you, we don't use the independent suspension ones because I've noticed the independent suspension on a side hill, if you hit a rock, it'll freak you right over. Yeah. Oh, they're sketchy. So I have those because we were getting ready to buy some and you're gonna make fun of me, but. Um, there's a, a riding club in West Point and it was, you're not serious what it was. Yeah, seriously what it was. We used to go out there. You were a, you were a member. No, we used to go out there when I was a kid. But Champion logging or Champion Paper owns all this ground. So the the, they formed a club that rents it and you have to pay your dues for the pay for the rent anyway, so they had two, four-wheelers to keep paths clear, trails clear and sprayed and um, but they were independent suspension. They set up two high and you put a tank on it and you get on off road and you'll flip. Right? So they didn't like'em. And I know the guy that was the president and um, we were chatting one day and I bought both those four withers that had low, low, low miles. This is ridiculous. The price of one new one. So, so basic. So that's what 70,$7,900 for two. Brand two is barely use. We've heard about two deals Vince has made off the, in my entire, in my 50 year life. Those are the best two deals. I can you, can you just holler at me the next time? One of these golden opportunities just presents itself. No. My whole 50 years is the best. Two deals. Yeah. Hashtag bull. Hashtag blessed. But we were gonna buy two new ones. I'm glad we didn't. We have beat these things. I lost my temper on a cow one day and I rammed her and rammed her. And rammed her and rammed her. I mean, and then she started ramming me. My crystal ball. My crystal ball for two days from now is Vince. We can't have that in here. We gotta take this out. Y'all can edit that up. Can't be talking about that. That Well, I'm just here to tell you. So I'm pretty, pretty good. I'm pretty good about some things, but when I lose my cool. And I know the whole time, I know the whole time I shouldn't be doing it. I just wanna, but I keep doing it. I wanna let the listeners know that me and Vince had a conversation today about how we need to be able to promote ourselves better, and I think we've gone the wrong way on that. I think we've gone the wrong You did not take your advice. We did. We, you told me to be. You're correct. You told me to be complimentary of ourselves. You, you are 100% correct. I, we did talk about that and I am not doing, I'm off the path here. I think I flipped the four wheeler. Oh, that's another thing I did. I bought a bunch of new hats'cause I was low on hat inventory. And those don't go bad, right? Yeah, no. So I bought some hats.'cause man, those things are getting more and more expensive all the time too. All this stuff is expensive, you know? Have pay for hats a customer, five hats. I mean, what do you have to pay hat a lot? Money on bulls? You don't have to. No. What do you have to pay for hats? I'd have to look. I it's gotta be, it's gotta be close to$20. Hey, shout out our, to our, one of our listeners, uh, Spencer Phipps, his wife Skye, she does our hats. They, she works for the school, uh, cat schools there in Oklahoma. And so I just supply the hats. Buy a blank hat, uh, Richardson's like$6, take'em to her. And I donate and I donate to the school. Um, it comes out way cheaper. Shout out to them. That's cool. Yeah, she does a great job. Fantastic. And he listens to every episode too, so. Oh, sweet. Yeah. He'll be glad to hear about it. You have a hat person, Vince. I do not, you don't make hats, do you? I made, Amy made 12 last year. So what do you give out? Clothes. I don't give out anything. I give out a handshake. I know it's rude, but my, I, Joe just said, hats are so expensive and they are, it's hard. You know what I, I tried to find a style that everybody likes too. Honestly. That's, do you know what I'm trying? This year for the first time. What's that? Beanies. Beanies. Trying beanies. They were quite a bit cheaper, but we're having But you won't put your logo, you'll just put your brand on'em. Uh, I think we're just spelling it out. Raptor Five Inland Cattle. No. Do the 5:00 AM. Do the, the brand. That would be cool. It, I think it's, it does, we're having a hard time getting it to embroider without stretching the material. And then you're having Yeah, she, she's having a real struggle with it. But I wear beanie. I ordered some more. Mr. Spencer, let's go Sky. Come on. Sky, sky. I ordered some more hats, so we're gonna, we're gonna do a few more hats, but no, I, I actually like, tinkering with, with like what thing I'm gonna give out at the sale because it's kind of fun. I like to do fun colored hats and stuff. We used to do sort and sticks. Yeah, that lady, how about that lady? Man, that lady will wear you out. What is the name of the place, Vince? I don't know. I can't even like sorting. Super superstore. Yeah. Super sort. Super sort. Super sort. Listen, she will call, they do a fantastic job. They do a fantastic job and she will call you multiple times a day. Yeah. Oh, hey. You told me you wanted six a year and a half ago and you haven't answered me, so I've called you again seven day 742. Listen, they do a great job though. They do that. Oh, man. And they're, they're inexpensive and they're cheap. Yes. Six bucks. Six bucks. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I recommend super short, Vince. Yes sir. What do you do in times of prosperity? What do I do or what does Amy think I do? You buy things? Amy thinks I buy lots of stuff. Here's the problem with what you were talking about. Four wheelers and side byside. Which side byside are stupid. Stupid, expensive. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Um, um, and I wouldn't even own a side by side if it wasn't for the way I got mine. I got mine through a seed company. Um, they run promotional deals. You buy our seed, we'll get you, I I paid three grand for a brand new side by side, but it's not, it got a cab. It's just a what? It's just a ranger. It's a ranger. Three seater. Did he just make another deal in front of our family? Yes, he said, and he said, only gun that twice in my life. No, dude, you do three times in the less. Do you know how much money, know how many times you paid full retail for anything? Do you know how much money I pay for seed? It's, it's more than I should have to. Okay. Well it's probably get a discount on it, but my point being is I, I don't think I could bring myself to just walk into a Honda place and say, I need a new side by side and write that check. The problem that's rough with the, with all the stuff that we have is it's all getting worn out at the same time. And I mean, like, it, it's, what I would love to do is like. When we got a new mixer, what did we get? A new mixer three or four years ago? Corbin. Mm-hmm. Two. I think two. Anyway, I would like to maybe next year trade it while it still has a lot of value. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And the same thing, we got a cattle trailer a few years ago. We lucked out. I mean, right before everything went up, we bought a cattle trailer. So it's probably still worth what I gave for it. Um, but I would like to get rid of it before it starts rusting. It's a steel trailer we use around the farm, so it's still in great shape. So it still has a lot of value, and that's something that we, those are two things that we use a lot. So I would like to keep'em traded before they devalue. And then there's other things. Are you, same with your pickup, Vince, your driver pickup? No, I drive my pickup till the wheels fall off. Well, so, so yeah, I think that's because I hate pickups. It's such a waste of money. Oh, worst. If you get a, it's the worst, isn't it? But if you get a, if you get a pickup, that's a good one. It's hard to get rid of'em. Well, and and like everything I do is with, with my truck is pretty close to home. Yeah. It's pretty close circle. Yeah. So I've had a, I got a brand new, uh, F four 50 in 2015. Oh my God. That thing rides rough, doesn't it? Oh, it'll beat you death. It'll whoop your butt. I don't know why my kidneys are hurting today. He is like, you guys are like, God, Corvin. I can't hear you. You're breaking up. You're breaking up. Like, uh Oh, I swear. I swear I got good service. Uh, no, but it's only got 60,000 miles on it, so you know it. If, but that's keeping it close to home, you know. We only use it for Right. Hauling cows and hauling hay. That's it. So I have a. A half ton, A one 50 F-150. It's got 160,000 miles on it. The white, the the one you gave me a ride in. Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice pickup. It's a gold color. Yeah, it's a nice pickup. Um, but here's the thing, like I'm not having a bunch of trouble out of it yet, but you can't go buy a new half ton truck that has a good transmission and a good engine. I'd have to go to a threequarter ton. And today, tomorrow, after this rain we had today, you're not driving out in a pasture in a threequarter ton. You'll be stuck. Mm-hmm. It's too heavy. Surely not a diesel either. Right. And that's what I would get. I would get a diesel with a Allison transmission or whatever, but these, and then you'd have trouble with it too. Nobody makes a good vehicle anymore. You're right. Toyota. Toyota makes a good vehicle, but you can't pull a gooseneck or whatever with a Toyota. No. No, I tell you what vehicles are about the wor like it's the worst. Worst. That's the one thing I just don't like to, it's such a waste. It's crazy that you're telling me nobody makes a good vehicle anymore, but the pickups we need are a hundred thousand dollars. Exactly. Somebody's buying them suckers. Do you know what? You wanna know why we keep buying them? Because the ones we're getting ahead before'em are pieces of junk. So then you gotta replace'em. Oh, I know. Here's the deal. These new ones, I never want to keep'em outta warranty guys, here's the deal. It's a ticking time bomb. I would just assume go buy a small international truck. That's like a, yeah, like a mini. Like a mini. Mini. Yeah. Yeah, because you could get one of them for a fraction of the price of a dooly and you could pull so much more with it. I mean, for what we do hauling hay all the time, and so I would much rather have that. I give 30 grand for a semi, a good semi. Isn't that silly? We're outta whack. Can't, like Joe said, a hundred thousand dollars for a duly. That's crazy. Yeah, no, it doesn't make sense. No. Hmm. Doesn't make sense. But anyway. No, I, that's the thing. We, and a couple years ago we did, we made a list of stuff that was important that we need to try to make efforts to trade or get new or whatever. And so that's something both of you, that's something both of you said was, was to actually write it down and make a list. Yeah, I think it's, I that's, that'd be, that'd be a good place to start. We also prepaid a lot of feed, so we have these bonds that'll hold hay and we bought a lot of hay, even if we don't need it. Um, bought a lot of alfalfa because alfalfa will keep without the rodents. That sounds wasteful. What do you mean sounds wasteful? To buy it if you don't need it. Well, I will need it eventually. Just not maybe this, this year and it, but it might be this year or next year. It might be the next year. You don't know. But some guys will say that Alfalfa will keep for three years and still be pretty good. I've got 3-year-old hay in the barn right now. That's wonderful. Is it alfalfa or, or grass? No, it's just a face u It's just grass hay. But, but the rats won't get into it. Like, it's not green hay. No, it's not. I'm not saying if you don't pull a bale out, there hadn't have been a raccoon that's made a nest in there or rats or whatever. But like it's not demolished. It might have a little, yeah, a little wad on the bottom or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. See I bought a lot of, I bought a lot of forage mix hay. Yes. Uh, last year, at the end of the year and put that in one barn. And I'm like, man, we gotta feed that this year.'cause if we don't, but you're talking about big squares. Yeah. You're, see I'm talking about ram bells with net wrap so they don't eat the net wrap. Really Well, it's goes, it goes all the way across. No, they could eat a spot out, but it goes all the way across. They don't, I don't understand. Don't mess with it. This is a different conversation, but I don't understand why, why square bales even have a place anymore. Unless you're stacking it in a barn like Joe does. These round bales are, nobody does bales out here. Corbin. None. Oh. They're way handier. And the baler is way cheaper. Way cheaper. And there's way less, they're they last forever too. You can wrap around bales and it doesn't heat up that hay because it just rolls it up. It it just roll it up like some the square bales they ram in that. Its it in there. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Nobody square baes here really? I mean, we do some small squares. Those small ones are popular. Yeah. But that's for, yeah, but you don't big square Vince? No. Hell, that's a hundred and something thousand dollars baler man. But hey, I'm, I think I'm, I think I got some found. I would like to have some square bales to tell you the truth. Uh, I just don't want a bunch of'em. They're got some found they're sweet. Does flake off. Yeah, exactly. So like for the bull sale? Yeah. The neighbors, that row crop big around us, they square ba all their straw and sell it. I don't even know all the stuff they used for it. Um, but one year it was bad and I'd run out of straw and I went and got some bales from'em to bed with. Oh. And it was easy to get out, spread out, wasn't it? You just, some guy stood on the back of a flatbed and flake the stuff off. He was pretty sweet. We did it in a barn too. It was a pain in the neck to get it in the barn.'cause you had to use a skid-steer or whatever. But once you got in there, yeah, once you got in there you just had to be careful'cause you had to work your way back out. Yeah. Backing out. Can't turn around. Yeah. Yeah, but big squares, I mean, they're, they're pretty nice. They're just, those bailers are so expensive. They're expensive and they're not, uh, those round bells are so much easier to move too. You get a round bell trailer, you can go dump'em. Oh, I want one of those Bad. You don't have one? No. And we were actually discussing that yesterday, how much faster that is. Oh, it's, you don't have to have somebody sitting on the other side. You just dump it and you go back to him. Well, even if you have somebody sitting on the other side, you don't have to wait till he unloads you. You could pull up, dump and drop off. You dump it and you're gone and let him be putting it in the barn and he doesn't have to unload you. You could be back to the field and almost loaded by the time he's gotta unload you. Unload. Oh, which rapid. And you know what, and I've got a, I've got one that I can pull. I can haul 24 by fives. I can move a lot of hay. I can move a lot of hay. Uh, and you think, think about a semi, it only holds 36. I would want to double barrel. That's what I got. Yeah. Yeah. And we use five by five, so we wouldn't be able to haul as many, but still be you haul 14. 14. Well, five by sixes you'd haul 14 five by sixes. I think it would be maybe 14 or 16. You could still haul, I would think 14 or 16. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we put 17 on our gooseneck. So it would be about the same thing. Yeah. But you're dumping it on the other end. Or even, even though it's less, you're so much faster. Who's, and, and who's saying you can't pull the gooseneck too and have both stuff? We, we would do it all. We would, if we had a driver have both going, if we had a driver, we would do it all. We get both of them suckers going, we all of it. We go, we go, baby, if I got somebody to sit in that somebody's butt, sit in that seat, we're going. So there's like six or eight of us going, uh, anyway. Um, but yeah, that's how we do it. We just wing it. We wing everything. I think it's good to have a wishlist of things you need, though. I think it's good to have that, like you said, a list because you don't wanna make, oh, my internet connection's unstable, so that's good. You look unstable, you look good. I mean, you look unstable. I think, uh, it could get real easy to start blowing all the money you've been saving. And I see a lot of people struggle finally get a bull sale that's successful and then they go down the street to some other bull sale and spend 40,000 on a bull because they're gonna give back all the money they just made on their bull sale. And I'm like, eh, I am not against buying$40,000 bulls. I mean, I, I like selling those, but I do think that. Continuing to stay very minded of the pennies and, and, and nickels and dimes in this deal is still very, very important. Even though we're selling bulls for 8, 10, 12, even north of that sometimes, and, and selling calves for north of$2,500, these costs will catch up. They absolutely will. But you don't know when that's gonna stop. Go up. I wanna be the contrarian to you saying, you know, somebody has a good bull sale. They got. I'd say, I'd say if a guy has a, a good bull sale and, and he's got money to spend and, and he thinks that that 40,000 bull can move him forward. Yeah, it's perfect. But to just, because it's your neighbor to just go because you need to spend the money. Yeah. No. Make sure it's the right bull. Thanks for clarifying that.'cause I agree a hundred percent. Make sure it's the right bull. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, you don't know when all that's gonna stop. Hey, I, and you know what I, I, it's just like buying a side by side or a four wheeler. I mean, it's a, it's a, something you can depreciate out to. Yeah. So, um, just try not to buy. Investing back into your own cowher is, is probably, but again, I don't, if I go spend, anyone will say, don't buy something that's gonna cost you more money. Like, don't, don't buy something that locks you in to now you have to do this and you have to do this, and you have to do this. I mean, right. I was even laughing because I started getting texts from these commercial cattlemen about these awesome new bale feeders they're making in Oregon that are like$10,000. And you could feed two big bales and stuff. And I'm going, five years ago you guys didn't even feed hay. So now we're buying this trick apparatus to allow you to spend more money to your cattle more. Hey Joe. Send me the link. No, I, okay, so this is, this is a true story. I went, um, Sunday night. Sunday night? No, Monday night, it was Martin Luther King Jr Day, which I found out some very unbecoming things about him. I'll let our listeners Google that. Google that. I'm not saying it out loud. Uh, so I went, we, we went out to, to dinner and I was, and I put on, I hooked onto the flatbed trailer and I was gonna go buy some, uh, round ba feeder, some round, uh, hay rings. Yeah. Just the cheap ones they have at Atwood. And they were$249 a piece. And I was like, okay, well I'll take three of'em, I guess. Well then they, they wanted my tax cards and so I had it on my phone. Yeah. And they're like, no, it has to be a hard copy. It has to be the no way. I swear I told'em, I never mind, I email it to'em and they print it off. No, they wouldn't do it. And then so Lucy, she of course, she's like, tell, telling her mom that, and then her mom tells my father-in-law and my father-in-law calls me this morning and he is like. Did you go get some round Peter, round bill feeders yet? I'm like, no. He's like, well, if you go buy all this stuff here at this metal place and go get all this stuff, I'll weld'em together for you. It's like a hundred. It's like a hundred dollars for one now. I was like, well shoot, gimme 10 of'em. I'm gonna go get enough for 10 of'em. Then that's as much as I was gonna spend for three. Right. So, yeah, no, that's a true story. And I, I've gotta go. I was gonna go do that today, but I didn't, didn't get to it. These, Joe, are you okay? Improve the things you need to improve. Save your money though. Be smart with your money. Yeah, I'm good. I just keep muting myself because my internet's unstable. I wanna make sure that you guys, we don't lose a whole recording because my deal's screwed up or something. No, we won't. You gonna move this on to the next topic, Vince? What was the other deal? So, so the other deal is, I was talking to a mutual friend the other night and he was just talking about he had, he had. Sold a couple of bulls and he, the guy has a bunch of cows and he told him, you know, these are young bulls, don't overwork'em. And the guy calls him two weeks later and says, you know, this bull has, um, he has cut his tool up and what, you know, what are you gonna do about it? You know, the bull can't breed cows. So my thing is, at what point do we did, what point did the people buying stuff take ownership? And we don't, they don't rely on us to make everything, do everything for'em. Because here's the thing, if that bull cut his tool up, the guy's either got barbed wire. Tro out everywhere. He's got Briers everywhere, which means he hadn't took care of his place or the cows maybe have couple burs all over their rear end, which means once again, he, the same thing as Breyers. He hadn't taken care of bush hogging or spraying or anything like that. And I'm not saying that those things are very easy to tend to, but if a guy's got 200 cows, I would think he would be maybe a little more attentive to, or the cows would even beat some of that stuff back for you. So to me that sounds like that's on him, not on the guy that sold him the bull. So the guy made it, he said, look, I got another bull over here you can use and blah, blah, blah. And, and he made it right. And I think that was the right thing to do. I think he did the right thing. But it just got me thinking at what point, I mean, how. How long do we have to own these animals, even though we've sold them? So maybe that's not the, maybe that's not the line, but the line's somewhere close to there. Is that kind of what we're I would think like, man, you're kind of pushing it with that request. Well, it, it, it almost depends on the conversation. So my thing is at what. Point. Do people just need to, you know, say, you know what, that was on me. I do need another bull. Do you happen to have another bull that was on me? I mean, same thing with the females. I mean, how long does a guy gotta hold his breath waiting on that phone call saying something, you know, Hey, this bull you sold me is no good or female. The female deal's definitely touchy the female. It's, but it's no different. You bought a, if you buy a female, you expect her a breed, right? Yes. Same thing. But, but when expect the bull to breed. But when, well, when's that female supposed to breed? And everybody thinks too, they have to AI breed. And that's not necessarily the facts. You know? I mean, I know there's, I think that the best way, I mean, I've been kicking this around while you went off air for a second.'cause your internet broke down. Hey, did you guys see? Hey. Hey. You see me Snap? You? Did you see me snap you the Lenovo in Italy? I did. I did. Yes. I don't think the Lenovo's the problem I, it went completely out of internet, but Amy's still watching tv, so it probably is the Lenovo it. Do you have Lenovo? Do you have, uh, Elon Internet? No, mine's the Elon. Okay. I I got Loretta. Loretta Internet. Loretta Internet from the TBA. I think this is where it's really important to spell out what it is that you guarantee in your sale book. Mm-hmm. And make expectations clearly known because if somebody, I've seen some of these sale books that are unconditional first year guarantee. Well, you can't be upset if somebody is calling about all these things, you know, if you have a 90 day breeding season guarantee. Um, this is delicate because I look at, and, and I know the three of us when we were both, I talked to Corbin and I talked to you Vince, and we're kind of trying to say, you know, this isn't about skirting around warranties, right? This isn't about, this is about making sure that it's mutual customer success and buyer success, correct? 100%. But there is this gray area around animal husbandry that's kind of difficult. Um, and, and we try on the preventative maintenance side, make sure that those bulls, um, now you get to your North Dakota boys, South Dakota boys, they're selling a lot of bulls that haven't been semen tested yet because the way it works in their sail season. Ours have all been semen tested and while they're semen tested, we trim'em up real tight around their sheath so there aren't hairs there for'em to get caught on and stuff like that. Um. But I have had guys say, you know, this bull's bad footed, and you go and it's like, well, he's, he's watering out of a Tooley patch and you could see where they go down on these rocks and stuff and cut their foot and they've got cows with foot rot and a bull got foot rot and he never got treated. Or, or the, the owner would say, yeah, we gave him 30 ccs of LA 200. And I'm like, well that's about a third of what that bull needs. Right. Um, and, and I think that we've done a good enough job over the past 20 years of getting relationships with our customers. I'll tell you a funny one though. Um, you guys have a picture on a cell phone will typically suffice. Yeah. And you can tell pretty quick, is this person trying to. Get one warrantied because they're having buyer's remorse or something. Right? Or do they really care about the wellbeing of their animal? And they bought him because they bought him to use him. Right? And, um, we had one I no questions asked. Long-term customer sends me a picture and I went, well that sucks. Try to, while he has the most flesh on him, send me to the sale barn, get me as much salvage value because the bull's not been turned out long. And, and we take care of that. Well, he took it on himself to call the vet anyways. Vet said no, he doesn't have a broken business end. It is a cut and they're treating him. So what I told that guy is I said, Hey, if you can't use him for this whole breeding season, we'll figure out a partial refund or a partial credit. We wanna make sure that you feel whole, just like we do, right? If they had to buy a different bull to perform that service, but they still want the bull, they aren't trying to skirt around. But then there's other guys and gals around this country and, and luckily we haven't had any run-ins with them'cause we, we have avoided kind of some of those folks that got on the credit game, they went to some of these bigger outfits, no questions asked. Absentee owners like. You know, I used to have, but some of these big, big bull sailing outfits that just want to keep your money locked in and maybe that manager's salary isn't correlated with the bottom line of the business. Um, and it spoiled some people into maybe treating bulls the wrong way. Luckily I don't have any people like that. I don't have people that have tried to take advantage of it, but I know that it's out there. Um, I had a really funny one this last year. My cousin Matt sends me a text of a bull that he bought last year and I went, well that one's toast. It was a great learning experience. He's toast. I said, he's full credit. Just get him slaughtered when you can. Well, he never did get him in. Then he got turned into the backfield and he was a little thin and he goes, and then, you know, he ended up, it looked like his pre-use wasn't hanging out anymore. So they just took him down this fall and got him tested with the other bunch of bulls. I mean, there might be 40, 50, 60 bulls in that field, I don't know. And uh, so he goes, that bull tested fine. No scarring, no issue. He was absolutely fine. So I do think that sometimes we are discarding bulls because it's easy to discard'em.'cause the buck doesn't have to stop with you. And, and that was a good lesson. He came on his own and just said, Hey, if this happens again, we'll just give him some la 200, kick him out. And there is a difference between a break and a cut or an infection, for sure. Well, I think it's important, I think you're making an important point here. Um, it's a 90 day breeding season guarantee, but I think it's important to note that just because he doesn't make it through that first 90 day breeding season doesn't mean that he's, he's done, he's dead. Right. Uh, there's, you know, if he, if a bull gets hoof rock into a breeding season, but you can still treat. That bull can still go do a job later on. I don't think that, uh, it must be a terminal issue. If it's, if it, if it's up, if it was up to me, I would make sure that it was a terminal issue with the bull and not, not something that was avoidable. Had you paid attention. Right. Well, or just a, a mishap mis an accident. You know, you've got a bad fence. You got, you know, he jumps a fence to barbed wire or whatever. Stuff like that, you know? Right. The other thing too is how the, the, how they let you know they've got a problem. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, if they call you raising cane, listen, you can buy a problem, a, a bull that can feet blow out, uh, break his tool, hurt his shoulder from anybody, anybody. 100%. The, the biggest thing is how we all interact with each other and how we make it right with you and. If somebody is calling me just down my throat, you know what I want to do for them. I don't wanna do a thing for'em. But if they're just in conversation saying, Hey Vince, I hate to call you and tell you this, this, this happened. The bull cut his self. I really gotta have a bull. Is there any way you have another bull that I could get? I'm gonna be way more apologetic that that happened to'em, even though it had nothing to do with me, and I'm gonna do my best to try to help'em. Um, I don't know how you guys feel about that, but I mean, I, I, I respond very badly for somebody just chewing me up and down when more than likely it wasn't my fault. Depends on the problem. Well, I think if you had, if you had a bull whose foot went bad and this guy had found out, for example, this is a good example in my opinion. Bull's foot went bad, and then they find out, oh, you knew his foot was bad and you trimmed it to try to correct it, and you covered it up, and then they revealed it. Well, that's, that warrants an ass chewing. Yeah, a hundred percent. But that's not, that is not what Vince is saying. No, Vince is saying an accident happened to a living breathing animal that we can't control. Let's see if we're fighting for each other or if we're fighting against each other. Right. And, and our customers fight hard for us now, and I'm very grateful for them. Um, you know, I, I was trying to think about how to, how to phrase that, answer the answer, Vince, because again, it's not skirting around warranties, it's not better. Right. It's, it's more about are you here for a solution or are you here to jump up my butt? Right. And, and I had one customer who hasn't been back because he thought, you know, had a bull break, a leg, got him a replacement, that bull broke his penis. Well, that's your fault. And, and they phrased it that way, like it was a bad deal. Well, nobody, you know, they weren't in a mental space to say that 6-year-old bull that he's running with is probably T-boned and every bull that comes and breeds a cow, um, it's not like a broom bulls defective in first. By golly. I can't imagine making a third one. Right. Well, and I, I was prepared to, and, um, actually I'm, I'm certain we did, and then they said they were done, um, regardless of what happened. And it was, uh, you know, I, I think it's all about like, like I said, are we in this together? Is anyone, because there are people that are trying to skirt around their warranties too. Yeah. I see a lot of warranties change this year. Do you guys see that? Like a lot of these unconditional warranties, blah, blah, blah, all this crap. And then you go, oh, now these guys have a 90 day warranty or a 60 and they used to be a we'll, never ask you a question. We'll, everything. And, and I think that's maybe, maybe that's a pearl of wisdom. We can offer some of our, that's what I was thinking, some of our newer listeners breaking into the market because you can get a potential sale, be very careful about badmouthing your fellow breeders because someday you might be on the other side of that. Not all breeders around are bad guys or gal. Right. I think a lot of us, um, we may raise different types of cattle, but most small breeders are really trying hard to do the right things. I really do believe that. So you just touched on a bull, multiple bull deal. I was talking to a friend of mine today actually, and he, he was talking about, you know. If you turn out multiple bulls, that makes it very hard to try to warranty something because exactly what you said. Maybe one, maybe it's a young bull out with two older bulls and that young bull just gets whooped. Well, how is that your fault? You know, it's not my fault, but I do know the rules of those games going in Vince, and, and I have chose to make that good and, oh, I'm not saying you should or you shouldn't. I'm saying it goes back to the, the purchaser. At what point do they Right, uh, have ownership? Yep. And, and I would have a mix. I would have some customers who will never, ever call me, and I have some that choose to, and I don't, I don't fault either way because that's how we represent the product we're selling. And I, I want to be super careful and say. For the three of you, or for all of our listeners. I'm not saying how we warranty'em is the end all, be all. I I, right. I'm not saying that you gotta do what's right for you, just communicate that to your customers so that it's clear. Right. Because I've noticed a lot of, I think it's because cattle are worth some money and people are buying things or they're buying ranches and then that money's not there. And then it comes credit time. And the credit used to be 40,000 to their sale and now it's a hundred and people are going, uh, that money's spent. And so, um, Corbin hasn't moved. Corbin blink. Okay. There he is. So, um, so I think, I think you gotta, you gotta spell out what you intend to do. Mm-hmm. And you gotta back that up. But to your point, Vince, I, I do think there are some basic animal husbandry needs for some of them cattle and the female side, you know. I think Angus's terms and conditions, spell it out probably clearer than most breeders do. Um, when an animal is said to be a breeder, I mean, how's it go? You don't know. I don't, I don't know. You don't know? I don't have it in front of me here, but there are rules for it. And that that means that she breeds when you get her, and I'm sure there's somebody somewhere that, that cow three years down the road goes, she has a bad foot, and so I'm not breeding her. So she's not a breeder and she calls back. Well, guess what? That's probably not the kind of customer you need. Right. Well, and you also gotta keep in mind, if you're buying some of these animals, females, or bulls, and you're traveling them all the way across the country or halfway across the country, the environment's different. You do it in the wintertime. If you take an animal from here to North or South Dakota or Montana or Idaho, she's not gonna farewell and want to breed, nor would a. Would y'all like to hear the breeding guarantees? Yes. As recommended. Okay. So I have the entire breeder's reference guide in front of me, but let's not read all that. We'll just go with the breeding guarantee. Yeah, yeah. Like if, if I were to click on you Corbin and say, A what does AI say about this? You know how it'll summarize that sometimes. Okay. I, it's about half a page. I got this. Alright. Okay. Number one, the seller. The seller guarantees that all animals are breeders with the exceptions of a calves under 12 months of age at the time of sale, which I did not know that B animals shown after the sale has occurred. In such cases, the breeding guarantees, if any, will be those guarantees as are agreed on between the sale and the buyer. C animals who suffer injury or disease following the sale. So if they get sick, it's not on the seller, right? I think they changed this. Keep going. D Anani Animals subjected to gross negligence by, or willful misconduct on the part of the buyer. So this pretty much covers your butt if you have, if you have any discrepancies, I would say. But there is should be more. Is there more? Oh yeah, there's more. Yeah, I'm just getting started. Okay. Number two, the cellar guarantees that all Boulder breeder for a period of 90 days following the initial turnout with buyer's herd, but only if such bulls are at least 12 months old at the time of sale and have not been allowed to run with the herd until at least 14 months. So what that's saying is you can't go turn your 12 month bull, 12 month old bull outright when you buy'em and count that as part of the 90 day breeding season. A bull that settles a cow by natural service and passes a fertility test performed by a comp competent, VE veterinarian or reproductive technician mutually agreed upon by the buyer and the seller will be considered a breeder unless otherwise agreed by the buyer and the seller. The seller makes no guarantees with respect to the, to the ability to freeze semen. So that makes sense. That one I think we could all agree on. Okay. Three. Hi. Myla cows with calves at their side are presumed to be breeders with no further fertility guarantee. So like the babies, you don't have to guarantee four. You don't have to guarantee their mother either, it sounds like. Yeah. You don't have to. A bright mother. She's covered. Yeah, she's already got a baby. Okay, that's good to know. Four. Safe in calf females are guaranteed by the seller to have been examined by a competent veterinarian or reproductive technician and determined to be safe in calf by examination or other proven method that gets, that can get dicey too, I would say. I would say if you're selling a female and you guarantee her to be bred and she doesn't have a calf. It would be well within, uh, yes. The buyer's right to, to ask for compensation on that. Well, you know, again, you're traveling these cattle across the country and they get to a different environment. They have different grasses, they have different water sources. The heat tolerance may be a little different and they maybe slip a calf. I could see that happening, but as the seller, I would still probably be leaning towards the side of, uh, trying to make that right now. Correct. Correct. Here's a, here's a great, uh, a bread heifer or a bread cow that, that the calf dies while they're cat, while they're calving, because you don't go pull it or tend to it. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Well, heifers sometimes have pro. Yeah, I, I'd prob I, yeah. I don't know what I would do in that situ. It would, it would, it would depend on the situation, wouldn't it? Right. Okay. Five served females are not guaranteed to be in cap, so that's when you sell one exposed. Oh, yeah. You sell one exposed. Not guaranteed pasture bred females have been exposed but are, but are not guaranteed to be in calf. We all knew that seven open, open females are guaranteed by the seller to be without calf. Okay, whatever. Eight donor females. Any open heifer that has been used in an embryo transfer program must be disclosed prior or at date of the sale. You go on with your bad self. You, you flush your heifer. Good idea B, unless otherwise agreed by the buyer. Go ahead Joe. You want me to say something? I wonder if that's new. I think it, it is. Didn't we have a talk like six months ago about some people not very happy about? Yes. Oh, I'm, that's coming back to me. What was that? What was that conversation? I don't remember. See all these, all these big ranches that are flushing these huge groups of heifers and then putting'em in their sail. Anyway, the, the, um, the other thing was the first thing you said, 12 months of age. So if you buy a calf at side, it's not gonna be guaranteed. That used to be six months. Really? Or a weaned calf. Yeah. Weaned calf. Even a fuzzy little weaned calf. You sell fall heifer calf. She's not guaranteed to breed. It's not your problem. Yes. But it used to. So it's still not though It used to be. But now you, but now you're, you're yearling open heifers that people sell. Uh, I'm selling two of those. You know, I don't have to guarantee'em as the breeders. No, you used to have to, I thought. Yeah. Yeah. You used to have to as a wing calf, even guarantee. Okay. Do you have more of them? Do you have more? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sit through'em. I'm almost done. I just wanna say something. Donor, females, the open header. Uh, they have to be disclosed if they are the embryo pro trans. Okay. Unless otherwise agreed by the buyer and seller. A female is not guaranteed to be a breeder after the date of the sale when that female is to be used or attempted to be used in an embryo transfer program. Yep. So if you flush'em, you're out. You're not guaranteed. Yep. Which, yeah, obviously that makes sense to me. Okay. The last one is the seller makes the following guarantees with respect. Respect to all pregnant recipients I, that the female is pregnant. Two, that the resulting calf is the pedigree represented. And three, that the resulting calf is of the sex representative. So if you sell pregnancy, you gotta guarantee what it is. And most, most people are like, you know, oh, I had a bull and I bought a pepper. Okay, we will fix it. Or the cow or whatever. Lemme we, we will fix it. Go ahead. John. I st I stepped on you because he, you skipped, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Um. We've been, I think we've done a good job of always being critical of the association when we need to, and then positive of them in this instance. How do you guys feel about your association having this as baseline guidelines for breeding animals? I am with them. I think it's hundred percent. I think it's really, it's a great place to, I think you cover, you cover most bases right there. Anything more restrictive, I don't want my association doing. That's up to me. Yeah, no, but this is a good place to start. I think it's fair. I think it probably is. I would assume it's, it's a response to some eons ago, somebody couldn't get something out of a cellar, so they tried to sue the Angus Association probably. Yeah. So the Angus Association put some loose guidelines in. But even watching Vince's facial expressions and Corbins as, as you read those, I'm sure there's some that some of us would choose to tighten up for our respective operation. We'd offer a little bit more. Yeah. But for our associations terms, I feel good that they didn't overextend in what needed to be responsible for. If they, if they went too far on some of that stuff and say, Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna guarantee a year for a bull, then I would feel a lot worse. I would even say, um, 90 days is a long time. I mean, I would say, uh, for me, for me, maybe it's not, but for the association to assume 90 days is, I'd say 50, 60 day breeding season. You know, you've got your whole season out of'em, but I don't know, and we say, we say 90 days on our Bulls Corbin, but I will say it's not realistic because our guys do not pull them in and rece and test them or look at'em 90 days after. And if I look at it like I'm in a partnership with these guys who reward us handsomely every fall for, for raising the kind of cattle we do, I say by the next time they turn him out. So I want to get'em to the next season and they should semen test for them. I'm not saying recommending anybody else do that, it just works for the production calendar of California and my customers. That's very, yeah. Yeah. And that gives, and that also, uh, kind of plays into saying earlier where if one gets hurt at, at fear, he's been turned out for 50 days and he's still ready to go by the next time you turn'em out. Uh, yeah, I think that bull would, would, would warrant staying, don't you? I mean, I, the ones that, the one I really want to get on some of these guys about though, um, and I need to do it this year, is I do have a quite a few customers who don't seem in test until after our bull sale. And so they don't come to me with their out, but I'm like, now I can't help you guys. We don't have a lot of inventory to draw from. Right. And so then we end up in this scramble and I'm one of the last bull sales and just trying to find them bulls to breed their cows. And, um, Hey, I'm just gonna tell you too, the bulls aren't out there at this point in time. I mean, no, they're not. We all get lots of calls for bulls all the time where, uh, I don't know if it's always been that way. I don't, I, so Vince, do you feel like we covered that topic good enough for what do you think? Yeah, I think so. And I mean, you know, the, the warranty thing is, it's tricky. It's grain of salt too. You gotta take, it's hard. The association's, guidelines. Yeah. Our guidelines. You, you have to be able to use your own version with every single different Yeah. Situation. Yeah. I think we covered it pretty good. How do you all feel about, uh, when is an appropriate, it's a curve ball. When's it appropriate to buy an insurance policy and when's it not for you or for them? Are you buying it or are they buying it? I choose, I bought an insurance policy for the very first time this year. Only because For yourself or for a customer? I thought I bought it for myself thinking that I would have to refund the customer if they had an issue. Yeah. And I did not want to write that check outta my bank. It was, I did the same thing, last grand issue. And actually it was a half interest bull that he wrote that check to us for. And then I said, okay. And well, and I'll tell you guys it was the Hawaiian Bull. Um, he sold for 40,000 for half. Is he even there still? He's still at your house, isn't he? He's still at my house. We decided, um, actually we found out from our carrier he's not gonna be covered if he goes to Hawaii. And so I'm taking some bulls to Hawaii that this gentleman also bought other bulls and I'm, I'm hauling'em down to'em actually this Sunday. But this bull will send in the fall after we have a big enough ban of semen. What you're hauling'em to Hawaii. How are you getting there bro? Getting there. You riding that, you're riding that damn train in the Swiss Alps to Hawaii viewing windows. What the shit are you talking about? Viewing windows? Are you putting'em on a vessel? No, you gotta take'em to an airport and they gotta shoot and they jump'em out the slider of my trailer into this little chute and then they sedate them. And then they put'em on the plane and then they fly'em back there, and then they shut up, wait for them to un sedate play. They put them on, wanna play, I want, I want somebody to buy my bull and ticket it to Hawaii. Then they put'em, then they put'em, I think on a barge after that to the other island. I want to do it. And uh, so yeah, the, the bull we sold will go. But what I was saying about the insurance policy, this is where it got tricky. Most people wanted to say, well that was an$80,000 bull, right? Oh, I didn't feel like it was right to insure him at that 80,000 level. So I thought, I'm gonna insure him so that I could write those gentlemen a check if that bull dies while I turned him out. But then Abby said, she goes, Hey, we don't wanna say that this is a$40,000 bull that we put out, but a herd bull's 20,000 to put out with your cows. So we did insure that bull for 60,000 of, of all value. So if he died. We were able to write them a check and then go source another bull to turn out with our cows. Okay. Fair. Maybe we overthought that. I'm guilty of overthinking things a lot of times. Right. You didn't really, you did a really good job of thinking that. I'd say. But Vince, how do you, how do you choose which ones to insure and which ones not to? Exactly. That's risk what you said it is. Is it gonna hurt to write that check? Mm-hmm. That's exactly what we did here I am insuring, I'm insuring your$3,000 bulls next year, guys. No, it was, it was some females that had brought 40 for half. I've never insured anything. I haven't either, but I insured that one and, and I was glad that I did because it got it, it got hurt and ended up having to be put down and the insurance covered it and I didn't have to cut a check. So there's two things I want to do. I want to sell an animal for enough where I feel like I gotta insure them. And number two, I really want, I really want someone from Hawaii to buy a bull. Yeah, exactly. And I really want to jump off the side of the trailer into an airplane and then sedate it, and then just like, make him lay over. I really wanna do that. So, um, both cool things. Yes. And I, I had to think about it, like, how many animals of margin would it take to cover up writing that check? For this one, because this last year we had a lot of bull sell for. A lot of money. I mean, it was, it was some, I'm so, so shocked and grateful of it, but you can't insure all of them. Right. Self insure. You just gotta figure out what is, what you can cover. Have you seen where the, some people right, say they'll pay half of the insurance no matter, uh, if you choose to insure they put it in their sale deal, they'll insure half. Is that dumb? I think it's a clever way to not have to warranty'em all yourself. If you could get that insurance policy for 3%, especially in the days of, of loss of use, when we still had loss of use, these guys were actually 90 day guarantee people that figured out how to coerce their customer and invest it into half of the replacement, basically. I see. Okay. So for, for our listeners that have never, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask the dumb question. How much does it cost? It's not really, I can't remember Corbin, honestly, I wanna say, and how long is it good for? A year. I did a year. I did one year. You do a year. Was it five and a half? This. But you, you had to use one, didn't you? Vince? I had to use one. And here's something else, Joe, that check, that wasn't five and a half, it was closer to 10% I think. I don't remember 10%. That check was made to both of us, even though I just insured half of it. So I had to sign my portion over to give to him. So you, you insured the animal at two times the sale value? No.'cause you were still out half of it. I just covered his, his 40. Oh, I see, I see. So I, I was just thinking, okay, if this thing gets hurt, I'm gonna have to physically write a check for 40. So you did 40, right? So I did 40. So you wrote him a check. But the problem was the, in the way the insurance looked at it is 20 went to him. 20 went to me. Oh, that works out for you. And it, it wasn't a problem. I just gave him my 20. You gave him your 20, okay. Right. Gotcha. I'm just saying you need to know that. It, it wasn't really a big deal, but I thought when I said I'm insuring this animal for this man, that they would give him all the money. They would give him all the money. Yeah. A shout out Yak insurance. That's right. Avid listener Yak insured that bull. That's bull for us. And uh, he did. So Yaks the one that's trying not to insure it if he leaves? No, no. He, he, the insurance company. I don't know why, but with Hawaii, they were having a hard time with Hawaii. So, so what about shipping semen on him to Hawaii? That's, that's simple. We'll get a big enough bank, a semen that we have that as our insurance policy, quote unquote. And then, you know, they spend enough money on that bull. I'm not gonna leave him out in the dark if he croaks in 15 minutes there and say, Hey, you bought him last year, you time's up. You know, like, they're my partners on this bull and I'm gonna treat'em like a partner. But what was music to my ears in talking to those guys is they were more concerned about what was doing right for the bull than they were about. You know, the covering insurance and warranties and stuff like that, they're like, Hey, we'll figure that stuff out. We want those genetics and that individual in our herd. And that's when I said, you know, it's probably best for one of that magnitude to leave him here. Let me get a good picture. Lemme get the picture of him. Lemme get seen. I've got a picture of his mother already. Let's do everything right because I do think there's some people that would want to use him a little bit, right? So, uh, when is he going to Hawaii? We'll do that next fall now. Next fall. Next fall. Well, and, and with Hawaii you have to think about, um, like Vince has said, the environmental transition. I feel better about that too, because it'd be like sending a first calf heifer. Now I'm gonna send a second, a three year cabr. Yeah. He'll be a little bit older, old, he'll be done growing. His teeth won't be changing. Um, we'll have had the picture. So if he does go over there and die or gets hurt, you know, they're not gonna ship him back to me to make sure that he doesn't have a cut on his tool. Right, right. No, I'd say early. I'd say once you, I'd say once you send him over there, you're probably saying unless you go to see him, you're probably saying goodbye. Well, and that's what we'd talked about too. Yeah, absolutely. Was we, we talked about exactly that and they don't have an ability to collect bulls over there. And so that also makes it a challenge. So you've gotta get a bank of semen where, and originally they'd said, you know, it's like 6,000 in transit or something. We'll just ship him back to you again and ship him back and forth. Oh my gosh. Um, we'll do whatever our customers want. We, this poor sucker's gonna spend more time sleeping, sedated than he is awake. I don't think we, he'll spend more time vacationing than all of us do. He probably gonna live on a beach in Hawaii, isn't he? I wonder if they got him a little umbrella. Every, every uh, well, I don't think any of those fields run up to the ocean. They might. They might. Yeah. You say, I don't think they would drink salt water. It's sort of, it, it's just wild. And that's all. That's all. Just so you guys know, like connection wise, that's all podcast connection. It's podcast a connection that went and met and saw the outfits, saw the people, saw the goals, um, you know, a friendship that was formed last year when I went back there and, uh, two years ago, I guess. And yeah, it's just, it's wild how all that stuff happens. Well, send them my name, let'em know. I let'em know I exist, Joe. Let'em know. I really love to send them blue to Hawaii, but I'm not gonna deliver that one. To the airport? Hmm. Oh no, I would, I would, uh, I'd fly him to Auburn and then just let you take him with yours. Yeah, no, that'd be great. Just take him on the same plane. I'll sedate him first. So anyways, I think we covered a lot of ground. Yeah. I'm gonna go get some supper here in a second, but, um, yeah, let us know what you think. Listeners let us know if we missed any spots. I mean, I don't know that we were terribly organized today. Um, but just trying to think through topics that have caused some heartburn for some of our friends and customers. I think communicating with your customers is always the best bet. Helping to educate. That was something I was gonna do this year, guys. I'm probably around bull pullout time. I'm gonna send a direct mailer out to our customers that just says, Hey, these yearling bulls. Um, just a reminder, these are some things to consider. You know, once the feed starts going the other way, maybe you put a protein tub with them for a while, then you start feeding'em a little alfalfa just. Take care of your investment.'cause it's a, it's an expensive one. It's a lot different than it used to be, so, yeah. That's probably smart too. Yeah, I think it's a reminder. I think most good customers have a disposition. You know, honestly, I I, I've told a lot of people this, the only problems I've ever really had in this business event. Pure red people. Yeah, absolutely. Commercial guys. They're rooting hard for you generally, don't you think, Joe, don't you think, Joe, and I hate to keep rambling on, but don't you think that like, as you've grown up in the business, a lot of your customers have as well, or you know, you've kind of come along with them and so y'all Yeah, and I've learned a lot too, man. I mean, absolutely. Absolutely. I don't go, I don't go trying to run down customers. It's, I heard a thing that really resonated with me a long time ago that says if you take care of the customers you got, you'll never have to get another one. And That's so true because they bring you. Other customers, right? Yeah, absolutely. Um, but it's hard when you're starting out'cause where do you start if you don't have customers? That's, that's right. You know, you gotta, you gotta jump out and you gotta get some people that aren't gonna like you and aren't gonna like the products. And then, um, yeah, this whole, it's funny, we learned so much about genetics and husbandry and all of that, and we all had to learn to be marketers. Um, we've threatened to have that podcast. What is marketing? And it's probably coming up, it's, for me, it's been easier to learn that it's just telling your story and communicating clearly. Um, but yeah, boy, there's, there's a lot of lessons learned in this business. Um, and I think the biggest one that I've learned though, uh, about. That in sales is we sell genetics and service. Those are the two things that we sell, and we gotta make sure that we don't get over our skis on either one of those fronts. Genetic improvement can only offer you so much, and I can only afford to offer you so much service. So let's figure out how to communicate that clearly to our customers so that they aren't disappointed. That's what you, earlier, whenever Vince was like, I don't have the words Joe has, you know, you said that he just had those words right there. He did. He just had'em. He, you know what words I have? I do, but I'll let you say it. Take it away to. We will see you next time around the shoot.