The Quest for Consistency

The hosts recap Joe’s trip to producer sales and visits with listeners, plus Korbin’s bull sale where “Stonewall” went viral with millions of views. They discuss what consistency means in cattle, arguing it comes from disciplined culling, tighter calving windows, fewer sires, and focusing on long-term cow performance, while marketing and high-dollar donors can discourage needed culling. They also answer a listener question on becoming proficient at artificial insemination by breeding more cows, practicing on commercial females first, involving additional trained help, and learning from preg-check results.

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Burger. That's a, that's a burger joint wall burgers. No. Welcome into around the shoot. Today's episode is about consistency and we'll get into that. There was something else too, though. Consistency. Mark Wayne is his name. Yeah, we'll get into that more later, but, but what are we talking about, Joe? Consistency. We're talking about consistency, but right now we're talking about Christie No's replacement. Oh yeah. And that came up because there's this sick a TC banner that Amy got and I said, the one events looks like the new appointment to Department of Homeland Security. So the reason why, whenever you brought that up, I said, Hey, push play, push, play, push, play, push, play. Because all these, and I don't wanna be, I don't wanna get into politics much, but all these politicians are the same. This guy's been our representative for the last seven or eight years. And back during COVID, whenever this whole big thing got going with farmers and ranchers should reach out to our representatives and tell'em when we have problems. Well, I reached out to them two or three times, got an answering service, left a message, never heard a word. So, uh, I just, I just don't want anybody to get excited about this guy because, uh, yeah, it's all gonna be on deaf ears. He is gonna do what he wants to do. All politicians are gonna do what they wanna do and, uh, you don't matter. Isn't he the dude that was gonna throw down in the congressional hearing? I think so. Like somebody said, I'll, I'll work out words afterwards. And he just stood up and he is like. Now is the time and now is the place and yeah, he sounds awesome. Oh, hey, I got some news. So I've been outta town for a couple days and my talking is not gonna be as good as when we tried to do this last time. Um. But what's going on here? I took a trip to Nebraska and friend of the program, herbal Shimer, Angus Crystal, and Brian had their production sale. Um, I've had the pleasure of working with those folks for a couple years now. Avid listeners, they had a wonderful, wonderful sale, great turnout, great crowd, great set of people there, just hanging out to support that family. And, and boy, what a day they had. And then got to meet a whole bunch of other listeners there. Um, coy Johnson and Henry Greve, both there. Henry had a sweet set of F1 females in that sale, along with Brian and Crystal. So that was cool. And then Nick and Emily Prevo, Roscoe Valley Farms, or ranch, I'm sorry, Nick and Emily, but avid listeners to the podcast as well in Iowa. Spent time with them and their kids. Great, great young couple. So then Corbin. I don't know. Vince wasn't replying to the tech spec then, I don't think. But after their sale, I went to Mass and I drove South to none other than Bluff side, Angus to meet friend of the program. Mandy, I don't ln, right? It's Nagar Ky. I'm not, isn't it? I'm not even trying. It's N, it begins with a n. I just think it begins with a J, but it starts with A, that's it. That is it. Yeah. There's a silent N or J or both. But I will say she's awesome. Her parents are awesome too. Her mom made this big plate of chili, a bowl thing of chili and had all their customers coming for her open house sale, and she was very surprised and very gracious. And I spent, I spent quite a little time there visiting with her customers and with her and her parents and friends and just what an outstanding family in it. It really just brings me back to how grateful I am for these platforms and how these people invest so deeply in us. Um, if you guys ever hear of me being in an area, I'll, I'll tell you if I can't make it, but if you just send me a text or you call and say, Hey, you're welcome to my place. That happened with Alex Brook Hauser with Brook Hauser t-Bone Angus. They're also in Nebraska, about 30 miles, uh, to the west of where the sales side I was at. Um, went and looked through Alex's bulls. He had a lot of good things to say about the pod as well. Um, and then obviously friend of the program, bud Copel and family, um, spent a lot of time at Bud's and what a hoot. Absolutely love that family. And did I tell you that I swear he called his spendy bull, the expensive one. Inedible inevitable edibles. Edibles. Edible. Yeah. Edibles. No inedible. Like edible, but with the IN in front, in inevitable, what is his name gonna be? Inevitable. Inev. Yes. Inevitable. That has, that has too many syllables. That has way too many Sy. Inevitable. Inevitable. That's way too many for me. Co. Not confusing. That whole name would be just a shambles. BLEs be inevitable. Inevitable. Yeah. Hey, I think it's, I think you asked for the red number is what you do. Yeah. If you, especially if you're driving. But, but think about with that name. There's a lot of like possibilities that you could come up with if, if you're to listeners that are gonna use that bull. I'm gonna start calling dibs on some of these names because I know y'all are gonna use them. You talking about edible? Yeah. We could go like. Absolutely with Inev, inedible, edible. Yeah. Yeah. The incredible edible. Yeah. We can just have, we can catch phrase, we can go with all kinds of stuff. You know, I love catchphrases. The, uh, the options are edible. Hey, but about this, how many seriously inevitable is his name? How many of those exist? There's none. Right. Inevitable because it's too hard to say. Have you heard of one? Like in the nineties was there a one 10 foot tall one with no belly and his name was inevitable? Yeah, inevitably humongous. It probably was with a white show. Halter on inevitably is a, yeah, we were inevitably gonna get to this point. Uh, so yeah, no, that's a good name. Hey, I like that name. It's good bull. It's a good bull too. I mean, do you guys remember what I told you when I called? I said he was not oversold, right? Yeah, there were a lot of people talking about him. Everybody you called. Who did you call? You can call me. Maybe I sent you a text. I don't know. We're getting into this favoritism of co-hosts again, which I don't know, I think there was one undisputed favorite co-host proclaimed on the internet, but I'll just let you guys all argue about who it was. Okay. So I'm glad we got back to Bluff Side, Angus, because I do wanna say that through Joe's whole trip, the best thing that came from it, and there was a lot of really good things, a lot of really good things. Brian, uh, herbal Showman reached out to me. He's an awesome dude. I got, I was glad to get to talk to him. The best thing though, that came from all of it was that I, I didn't ever hit that little follow button on Blessed Side Angus. I always followed Mandy. You didn't follow her. I'm a top fan now, so don't even worry about it. One of the, but not the, I'm, I didn't know about both side. I didn't know she had a, I didn't know bl I didn't EI didn't even know that was a ranch. I knew had a, I knew she had a sale. I knew it was Mandy. I knew it was called Bluff Side. I looked through the sail book every year. I did not know she had a Facebook page where she posted separate stuff. So now that I do, it's, I like literally have found somebody that I can talk back and forth to all the time because she says the stupid funny stuff that I do. Would a favorite host happen to know if she had a page? Probably. Okay. And that would be you, you're her favorite. But she, she is all of our favorites. 100%. That's what she said. I aim to change this because I'm gonna go see Mandy at some point. I'm gonna make it a point and I'm gonna go see Mandy. Totally worth it. Totally worth it. Um, but back to, I wanted to touch on inevitable because inevitable that hanging a bit, um. When you sell a bull for that much money, there's a lot of people willing to poke holes in it. And I'm gonna just tell our friends and listeners, go see'em. Just go see'em. Um, and if you can make one better, um, then saddle up. So I like the bull and I'm happy for that family. I'm happy to meet all the people I met. I'm just looking through my list. Stalling. Yes. That's her. Vince, you don't have to, she's not wearing her at c She was not wearing an at TC shirt. She ripped her pants yesterday, Joe. She ripped her pants while she was tagging a calf and she had to go buy new ones. She's not the number fan. That top fan dude, she's not the number one fan with no shirt. No, I know, but she was, it was Bluff side swag she was wearing, so I cut her a break. I'm gonna be honest, I'm surprised she has any swag because I ordered a couple of hoodies like four months ago and I've yet to get'em. Brian. Hey though, people need to get their crap together. They gotta get it together. Gotta get it together. Uh, so anyways, I had a bull sale while we were away. Oh, that's right. You did. You did. Yeah. And it feels like so long ago, doesn't it? Was I there you were, you were, you were. I was online. I was online. I was there. You were online. I was there. You would've, you would've come had you got a sale book to look at. But since I didn't send you a sale book in the mail, you were like, well, there's nothing there for me.'cause I didn't get to see the popup picture. I know what was there and probably could have worked very good for me. And that's Stonewall. Stonewall. And is that, that was his name, right? That's still his name. And he is, he's a good bull. Uh, he went to listener Mark Pomp. If you have a son, are you gonna name him? Stonewall Jackson. I think we might, uh, you know what? We could go presidents. We could go presidents. Do you guys think that maybe the people at Tur Turkey actually think his breed was Stonewall and like that that black animal is a Stonewall? Maybe they don't know he is an Angus. Do you wanna know? Um, so Stonewall went viral. It feels like that was so long ago. Does it not? Oh, yeah. Does that, yeah. It feels like it was so many months ago. You look, but I'm gonna tell you guys, do you have data? I'm gonna, you have some down, find some data. Do you wanna know that I have 12 plus notifications on my RAF or five M landing cattle paid since the last time I looked. Oh, yeah, you, that's how viral old boy went. So Stonewall. Stonewall now has 4 million views. Golly, 4 million views. 4 million views, that's nuts. And 55,600 likes. It is crazy. It's crazy. I don't even know what you, how you 842 shares, did you, I, you know, our friend Aaron Willison was actually talking to me about this and he said that he had a bull or a, I can't remember what his video was, that he had, that had 800, uh, thousand, 800,000 views. And he clicked monetize on the, on the Facebook algorithm thing where it sends you money. And he said he had made like$600 over the, over six months. Did you, did you click monetize? I tried to click it, but I guess I'm just impatient. I never, I never followed through with it. Well, it's, I was trying to, well I was trying to have a bull sale too, Vince, so like, shit, I wasn't thinking about, uh, how I can make a thousand dollars on, on Facebook, although now that sounds like mailbox money sounds like I'm entitled to it. Absolutely. How would the taxes work there? I mean, if they sent you 10 cents per view, that's 400 grand. If they sent you a penny that's 40 grand. I'd take it. I'd probably, I'd, I'd take 1000. Are you kidding me? Hey, did we already tease you teased our, our topic, right? We're gonna talk about consistency. Consistency, and we're gonna, we're gonna have a special little small snippet about listener feedback on AI strategies, right? It's gonna go about five minutes, but yeah. Hang with us. We gotta get through Corbin Sale, though. You got a couple minutes left. Phenomenal sale Corbin. Really fun to watch. That was a good, absolutely. I caught some pieces of it. I was so proud of you. Congratulations. The main question I, I wanna have for both of you. You both listened and I haven't asked anybody this. How was I on the mic? Because I had, I, last year I got thrown into the fire. I didn't know I was gonna have to do that this year. I knew ahead of time. I didn't really take many notes. I took a lot of mental notes going through the bulls. I know the cattle. How'd I do it? Could I, what could I improve on? How can I do better? Vince says, smile. I think that I should be quiet for fear of hurting my friend's feelings. Ooh, I'm kidding. You did a fantastic job. Yeah, I'm kidding. You did do a fantastic job. Like it's, if I had to be, uh, critical, I, I know you had to be nervous'cause there's no way I could do it. Um, I, but I feel like you should have been able to loosen up once the first few got rolling. Yeah. And I felt myself, I was tense the whole time. And it's just, you could tell it's gonna be a year over year, over year over year thing. Yes. I don't think anything I could prepare for because it's not something I do very often. But yeah, I felt myself, I was tense the whole time. I dunno, but I, I will say this. If you just had just a tick, more enthusiasm, but you still did a fantastic job, there's no way I could do it. I mean, like. I wish I could do that, but I just don't see myself like you spoke to animals, you did such a good job describing the animals and you were talking about their dams and things like that. And like, I mean, you could tell, you weren't just sitting there reading something that you knew, you know? Right. You knew what you were saying and it just, if you just had to tick more enthusiasm, man, but at the end of the day, we're gonna work on the enthusiasm. You still did a great job. Well, thank you. I thought time, if you would've been looking at your phone, I'm sorry, Joe. No, no, it's fine. I did. I did much. I did. So the only reason I knew that you, that knew that I needed more enthusiasm was because halfway through the sale, Vince sends a text and I see it pop up on my phone. It says, cheer up Corman. I was like, but I was too far gone at that point. I don't think I was ible to read it. Cheer up. I was like, oh, lemme do that next year. So by the time I caught you, it was towards the female end of the sale. I'm ashamed to say.'cause I really wanted to hear your speech and stuff, but, um, you didn't have service. There was some, yeah. Something was going on. You probably remember better than I, but I did not have service. And then when I got back in, you were to the point, concise, um, energy. I wouldn't have said plus minus, like it wasn't cheesy or what you, you said some things that were not in your sale book that brought new knowledge to the animal, which I really, really appreciated. Yeah. Yeah. That was the goal of it too, was like. Tell'em what they don't know. Tell'em what they need to know. Yeah. And it wasn't cheap Corman. It wasn't like, it was like, this is the first best bread heifer we've ever made. Right. This is the best blue blood we have for sale. Whoa. This is the best, best, best. It was a blue blood. I'm telling you. There was a blue blood. I didn't know. I didn't know filthy. Good sucker. I didn't know. And she went to listener Dalton Jackson. And so this sounds like a good time to get into. Let's go Dalton. All of the, why didn't all the listeners, did you get a picture of her? A picture of her I haven't delivered yet. Whenever I deliver, I'm gonna take a video of her and then I'll, I'll post it on my now famous Facebook page, and then she'll go viral. Okay. And then I'll send you some of the proceeds. How about that? How does that sound? How does that sound put Monetize please. So in, no, in no order, I'm just gonna mention all the people that bid and, and were at the sale that I saw, that I had noticed. Now I wanna preface this by saying there's so many more people that I'm gonna miss through this deal. I want all those people to reach out to me and say, Hey, you miss me. And I'm gonna write it down on the list because I feel terrible. I know there's way more people at the sale and around the sale and listen to the sale and then watch the sale bid on the sale that I'm gonna mention right now. But here's a list of names. Rob Khoi, thank you so much. Uh, I'm assuming you're listening. Brian Herbal Shier. Love you guys. Kyle l actually bought a heifer from me and I get to deliver her. Kyle called me. I talked to him today. Me too, me too. Kyle. Was was he asking you about the, the cow being in heat and he was worried about Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, I wouldn't worry about that, but if you get a chance, just move him away from her. That's what I, it's exactly what I told him. Just move away from a little bit till in the morning or something. Yeah. David Little, he's, man, there's people that root for you. He's always there. He, he makes, it's a three hour drive and he comes every year. Appreciate him always being there. Frosty the best cook ever. Smoked all our meat. Did all our, and then we had so much fun. We had so much fun with him. After the sale, before the sale, during the sale. I went the night before. Got to hang out with it Just eases the, eases your tension whenever you have a friend like that that you can, we just bs about TCU sports. That's pretty much what we talk about. But uh, yeah, it was, I love having frosty year round. Josh is always there for me. Golly. You guys, you guys don't know. I mean, you probably do know what it's like to have that friend that, that you feel like you, like you're, he's always there for you and like you don't do enough for him. But that guy, I don't even have to ask him. He shows up, he takes over when we're running, when we're running ster to video him, like Josh was there and, uh, we were shorthanded. Josh was like, okay, I'll run him through the shoot, clean'em up a little bit. You just, you you run the video pin. And he, he took that on by himself. He tagged all the bulls. He ran, he ran'em through the shoot by himself. Uh, of course he had help over there, but he ran. He is the one that ran the, ran the show. And, uh, without him we couldn't do any of it. And, and I'm thankful to have him. Hopefully I get to repay the favor. Uh, at some point. I think we got some cool stuff coming. So we're not supposed to interrupt anybody on this episode, but can I interrupt you about Eves for a second? Absolutely. Eves is awesome. Yeah. And when you said, when you said, oh, you guys might not know, or, oh, but you do know or whatever, I knew what you were kind of trying to process, but let me just add an element about Eves. I knew what kind of sale you were gonna have, because that's a guy who isn't rooting for you in front of your face, but he's rooting for you behind your back too, because he's telling me, old boy's gonna have a good day today. He's gonna have a good day today. I'm so excited for him in good turnout, great turnout. And I was just like, I have a lot of friends like that, and I hope that I'm that kind of friend for people too, because I might not be able to attend all your sales and, and you guys know who you are, who are listening. I, I really care about a lot of these folks that haven't been able to make their sales or even watch'em online. But you can be rest assured that I'm as big a fan as I can be behind the scenes, and I appreciate Josh for that. Yeah. It doesn't matter what sale I'm watching, I, I find myself rooting for the seller, though. I don't root for deals, especially if I'm not buying, you know what I mean? Like I find myself rooting for the seller. What if you are buying. If I'm buying, I just want the one I buy. Be cheap. No, I, no, I, no, honestly, if I'm buying something at this point, I have a top dollar and I bid to it. And if I don't get it, it's fine. I don't really hope for anything before or after. I just want, I, I worry about that one because I think if you, this is kind of a, we're gonna get off topic again. Yeah. No, no, no. Go back to your list. Okay. My list. Go, go below Eves. We can talk about that someday though. Can we, can you write it down, Joe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. Got it. Right down. Yep. Uh, mark s Spata, he's always a, a fan of, I've been a fan of the podcast, and, and he's, I'm a fan of his, he helped with pictures and he's just always around and, uh, always, always generous with his time. And, um, he's a good friend. He's a good person. Uh, Spencer Sky, Joe and Darla, that's a whole, that's a son, wife. His dad, his mom. They're the best friends of the guy I could ask for. They root for me all the time. JC Cabral, Oregon. Now that is a good dude. I. He called me about a bull. I sent him as many videos and stuff as I could about the bull. Gave him as much information I could. He actually ended up getting one bought. It's really cool, um, to see a listener from Oregon take interest in my program. It's, that is cool. I don't know. It's awesome. Uh, Ryan Blue, he came before the sale. He didn't get anything bought, but I know he ca he made the trip down from Missouri and stopped at my place. And I know that's a long way to come and, and I'm really thankful for him coming and I know he's a listener. The last people I wanna mention that, that listen to every episode is my mom and dad, and they're there for me and they root for me and they listen to every episode. Thanks. Thanks Mom and dad. So, uh, Vince, what have you been up to? What else we've been I think it's funny. Let me just say this. This will give you something to talk about. I think it's funny how you get Amy, the smallest grease trap I've ever seen. And she got you a great big around the shoot banner. How cool is that? She got us a great big around the chute banner. Oh, do I have a third possession? All of us. One third. If we split up, I'll just cut. Cut it. Cut each. Yeah. Can I have Joe's picture? No, I don't want my own. No. If we ever split up alludes to an impending breakup, is it gonna be like me on my own? And you two together? Yeah. No. And then you two will eventually break up and we'll all have our own. So something that is really bothering me is we've been face to face for going on 40 minutes and nobody has realized that I shaved my beard. Did I did, I said, let's say I didn't notice because I said something right When we came home, I'm like, you said something about my hair. Hair. I said hair. I knew it was hair. I just didn't know where. Something's weird. This guy's, so here's the deal. I thought you had a filter on, which is why I wasn't gonna pay no mind to no. I was like, I'm not gonna admit, look at his skin and everything. He's got a filter on and he's not wearing a pocket tee. This is a fake filter is what this is. It's still Carhartt though. Still Carhartt, but it's like dress carhart because it doesn't have a pocket tee. No, my dad was, my dad was like, uh, telling me, he was like, uh, he, he came out of the truck today whenever he got here, and he had on this Carhartt shirt that didn't have a logo. He was like. Hey, look at this Carhartt shirt. We should get our logo right here on the on, on this side. And then that way we can wear it to sales and stuff. And I was like, you can do whatever you want. I'll, I'll take it somewhere to get embroidered for you. So where'd you go to get cleaned up? I went and took a shower. I took a freaking shower. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Where did I go to get cleaned up? Well, I mean, it looks like you got your hair cut too. You think I'm gonna let some dude shave my face? What? Are you crazy? No, I can handle shaving. I've been doing it quite a while. Well, why didn't you shave your head? It's coming this summer, I think. Really? I also think I'm going with a mustache. I'm gonna do away with a goat. I've always had a goat. My kids have never seen my chin ever. Can, uh, can Nate grow a beer yet? He's working on it. He's, it's getting a little thick, you know, he, and when he first started, he looked like a Yoder, like a, um, an Amish, Amish guy. Yeah. Hey, hey. They came to my steel Amish, and their last name is Yoder. I swear to God, I swear they're not. That's a movie. Their last name is Yoder, Melvin and Nelson. And they brought all they kids. Like Nate is a Yoder, Oregon, and they all, every single one of'em had their own plate of food too. I swear we served 110 people over when 20 of'em were the office. Well, if they're listening, give'em a shout out. Yeah. Uh, Melvin and Nelson, thanks for coming guys. I don't think they're listening. Well, you don't go out on a limb. I don't think they're allowed to have internet. How do you think they got your sale Corbe? Exactly. Did they ride a horse and buggy mail to them? Uh, no. They rode in Dodge, I think. Sure. A telegraph. I mean, come on. They got my, I sent'em a mail. They called me on the, they have cell phones now. They're not, they're modern Amish. They're not. They have YouTube shorts. They have everything. Ah, yeah. So what else you been doing? You're getting ready for the sale? Yeah, we spent, what's the project issue today? We spent today fixing broke fence post all up and down the lane. And there's like way more than I thought there was. We were just trying to move the skid steer to the back barn. And I was like, well, every time we come to a broke post, we'll just throw one in. We got the wagon with all the posts on it. No. And then you ran out of posts? We did 17 posts. And Did you finish? No, no, no, no, no. Didnt finish. Did you just leave the skids steer where it sat and you're gonna finish it? No, I took it to the barn. Oh. She don't sit out. She don't sit out in the rain. Is it gonna rain tonight? It's supposed to rain tomorrow. Oh, okay. Wow. Well, you might not get rain because it was supposed to rain at Corbin's here a second ago and it didn't. The reason why you're just gonna supposed to, we need it. We're dry. Uh, do you want to know Our ponds were dry and we just, were like, oh yeah man, I hope we get, they're full. We got 1.65 inches and they're full. We haven't gotten any rain. We're dry. It's, we, we turn cows out on cover crop and where we let them come in to drink is a little, it's always wet. Whe whether spring comes outta the ground and a little ditch fills up. It was dry. We had to reconfigure. Wow. We had to reconfigure stuff. So that cover crop, was that like hold an extra moisture'cause all the organic matter or something, or it just hasn't been grazed and that's why it was so bright green. Um, no, it's, it's out. So it's a winter. It's a winter. Oats and rye. But you, but you've got rain coming. I hope I saw your oats and rye. It is knee high. Yeah. The cows loaded. It's crazy. It's crazy. How many passes will you get on it? Uh, we just hit it once and be done with cattle. Cows. What we're gonna do, we don't have enough cows out there right now. Um, I don't like putting them on it until they're 60 or 70, 80 days bread because it's so hot. Well, no, I, I've had problems before with it, conception and stuff, and it could be because it's hot. I don't think that's what it is. But anyway, we're gonna preg check, uh, the second round on the 15th. 16th. 16th, yeah. Mm-hmm. And we'll just, it's the field's right there by the barn. So if they're heavy bread, they're gonna go out there with'em. Okay, so, and then will you, I think you told me this on the phone and I don't remember, will you spray that crop or will you just till it in? No, I'll spray it. Spray and then we'll just, you'll spray it. We'll no till through it. And actually, Mike no till into it green if the cows will thin it out enough. You'll spray, you'll spray it dead. Yeah, we'll put soybeans on it. Spray with glio phosphate, uh, glos. What? It's something organic probably Corbin? Yes. Yes. That's, it'll be something organic. We'll, yeah, it's called, it's organic, called paraquat. Paraquat pert. So, okay, so I want to hear some more about this. Do you go typically corn and then this cover crop and then beans or, yes, I, and I, I mean you can do the cover crop before corn, but the, the problem, I was used to do that, but what I quickly realized was you can. Yeah, if you're going outta beans and going into corn the following year, beans come off later. So you're later getting it planted. But then you also have to kill it early because corn goes in early. Hmm. So you're better off to go behind corn and go into beans, because we won't plant beans for another month after corn. Well, two, three weeks after corn. Well, almost a month after corn. So, we'll, we could get three more weeks of grazing out of it. So you'll do em all in one year. This isn't like a multi a year deal. This isn't like you go No full year of beans. Year of beans. Year of beans. Then, okay, now we're gonna flip over and go. No. Okay. Go ahead, Gordon. I was waving at Abby. Oh. Oh, there she is again. She don't wanna speak to us. I've said, hello, Abby. Hi, Abby. She had her one podcast and she's, she can't hear us. Well, tell her we said hi. They said hi. She's doing laundry. She looks mad. She's, uh, yeah, she pieced you. Oh, word. Like, word, like, bur it up, bro. Like, um, she throwing up gang signs. Yeah. Actually, the comment was, are you guys actually gonna record any content or are you just hanging out? Whoa. All right, so let's go on. Let's move on. So this topic came, this topic came to mind because it's, it's honestly, it's something that, that I'm striving to do a better job of. Okay. Uh, and, and I, and I started thinking about what this question means. And so I wanna know what it means to you guys'cause it means a certain thing to me. But the question as a whole is, what is consistency? What is and and what is that to you guys? I mean, I know, I know you hear about, uh, people go through a set of bulls and they say, man, this set of bulls is just consistent. So what does that mean to y'all? Joe, go ahead. I'm gonna steal Joe's thing, so Joe should do it and say it. No, you do it. It's fine. Um, do you remember when Joe said Our cows should be so good and consistent that we can cut their ear tags out And I mean, I'm assuming that's what I took from it. He might have meant something totally different, but, um, I would hope if I had a very consistent coward, you could cut their ear tags out and not know who was who. Right. That would be awesome. I don't have that. I don't either, but I don't either. Um, you know, if you can go through a field of cows or bulls, um, bulls, it seems like bulls and heifers are a little easier than mature cows. Um, right. Absolutely. For, for me, for me, absolutely. Now I could go sort and make a group of cows that look very consistent, but it wouldn't be the whole herd. Why? Right? Why? No, Vince, the reason why, and, and the reason why, and maybe, maybe this isn't your reason why, but my reason why that I came up with one thing about this question is just because my herd of cows are all different ages. Yeah. They're all doing, they're all at different stages of life. So I've got 3-year-old, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8-year-old cows that are all in different pastures together because I wanted, I wanted'em to be bred in this si of group, and I sorted'em that way. So I've got, so whenever they had their cleanup bull turned out, I had a particular bull I wanted to breed'em. So right, we get into all these variations and so then I started to think about what can I do to make my cows more consistent? And I think Joe has the answer to that. Well, I don't wanna sound like I'm arrogant and I have the answer. I just want, I just, like, I, I started asking myself that question because I think there's a lot of people who have been taught how to evaluate the sire side of the equation pretty consistently and pretty well. We can make some outliers that have a really, really good number profile. Um, in terms of marketability, I'll say that in terms of marketability and those bulls can look like some of your quote type bulls or your quote maternal bulls. I don't even know what some of these labels mean anymore, to be honest with you. Yeah, but I think by using sis that all look sort of alike, you'll get a sire line that looks sort of alike. The problem lies in that may, maybe most of their mothers don't look alike and we don't have the opportunity to go and look at the cows out in the field, or we don't skip bombarded with that marketing information or we, we don't have a, a bull stud quote. You, I got my air quotes that has all the dams locked up where you go, whoa, she's an eight footer, and oh, she's narrow, and oh, she's hard and oh, she's over fat and she has a bad at her and she doesn't. And so I think that's one of those things that's been maybe a little lost in this business. And I started asking myself those questions, Corbin.'cause I was like, you know what? I can make some pretty good numbered ones. That that's an awesome emoji. Pretty good numbered bulls that actually have a good look to'em. But then the female side of the equation was not matching up. And then vice versa, you know, and, and wondering why it was so fleeting and why I couldn't get any consistency. And I started digging deeper and going to these ranches and I went, well, these daughters look exactly like that. Bull's mother. Right. Well, that's why. So I don't know how I just had a sew. Well, I, I think part of my problem was too many sis and every year I start out saying, I'm gonna use these five or six or four, whatever. And then I, I start looking through my, my list of cows that I'm mating and, and I know the cows and I'm like, I'd really like to do herd to such and such. I think that would so cross with her so well, well, then you're up to six and instead of five, and then by the time you get done, you've got. 15 different bulls and some of'em might just be one shot deals. But I also feel that instead of me trying to blanket four or five sirens over my whole herd, I was, the goal was to try to match, to compliment the cow with a certain bull. And sometimes that goal is achieved and sometimes it's not. And I do, I think that's where we can get some inconsistencies. You know? I think it's, uh. It's important to note and I just, I just, I don't want to, I want you to get back to that point, Vince, but it's important to note that like even if you flush a cow and you have a flush of eight bulls mm-hmm. There's still a lack of consistency there, there's still gonna be some variances even within that flush. Oh yeah. So it's absolutely in, it's not, this is not a exact science. I just wanted to point that. No, not at all. And you know, a long time ago I was talking to a guy and he was like, if you want, and I don't know how true this is, it does make a lot of sense, but if you want a consistent cow herd, breed all your cows to Bull X, and then, uh, that offspring breed all of them to y and that offspring breed all of'em to z where they're all three quarter sibs or whatever, that makes'em, and. You will have some consistency, but it could be consistently bad and not necessarily consistently good. That's absolutely true. I would agree. So I would agree. I think, you know, I want to go back. I thought it was really wise of you saying about 15 different sis, and so you kind of had all this stuff going on. Well, I think about it in my head, not only am I bringing in 15 different cires, I'm bringing 15 different females into my herd through the female lines that I retain. Yeah. And what are the chances of one of those being like one of our cows? And I'm not saying our cows are right, wrong, or indifferent, it's a matter of do I think that there'll be alike? And so, um, last year, two years ago, I'm sorry, I used two brothers that had the same sire line and were both out of. Paternal sisters. So they were three quarter brothers. One was a CESE bull and one was a, was a power kind of a bull. And I used those pretty aggressively and I mentioned that to an old select CYS rep. Um, did a lot of dairy stuff back in the day. He's since retired. And one of those guys that got an award for X amount of millions of units or a million units or whatever, but a really, really good friend. Um, and he said, you know, back in the day, it wasn't necessarily that I would keep using SIR X for example, he used the bull, um, HARB Che, I think, or High Plains, one of those, or Bar E xt. Bar xt. He wanted to use Sons of bar, EXT daughters. And that's how he made his herd consistent. And I thought, huh, that's pretty interesting. And another good quote I've heard about making females too, is why would we keep worrying about the sire line when we sell all those, we keep the females. That's what we keep. And, and while I will say I completely agree with that, on building the cow herd, in the meanwhile, we do have to sell our crop too. I mean, so you have to, you have to keep the lights on to keep all this going. And there's a more discriminating buyer base than ever before in human history. Vince, what were you gonna say? Well, yes, but when you mate that cow, you have a 50% chance to keep that female in your herd or have a bull that you're gonna sell. So that's not quite fair to say. You're mating it just to turn around and sell it. Right? Right. I mean, because you don't know what, if it's a bull, yeah, you're gonna sell it or possibly keep it, but chances are, if it's a female, you're gonna keep it in a herd anyway. So, so here's a different angle because are you okay on that topic for now? Yeah. I was just had a, so like you did, I didn't want you to be by yourself with a, so that's what I figured. It sounded like it didn't have a comment. Had three dots. Um, I feel like consistency's an interesting term though, because we saw this, this podcast is not a response to any other podcast, but it is timely because there was another podcast floating around about talking about outliers and really folks beating their chest about the value of outliers. And serious breeders use outliers and, and I understand what those people were trying to say.'cause to have movement in a population or quote, genetic progress, you have to use an outlier to get that. If you want to change livestock, like if you're averaging 400 pounds of weaning weight, you can't. See as much progress by using a four 50 as you can, a 700 if your goal is to get to 600 pound weaning weights, for example. So when you get a herd that's really, really consistent, how do you bring in these other genes or how do you define improvement Corbin? Well, one of the ways that I, I had decided that I could make a herd more consistent was to tighten that calving window because I think as you tighten that calving window, um, you don't just see those effects within a calf crop. If you do it over year, over year, over year, over year, your cows all seem to grow at the same rate. Your feeding absolutely at the same rate. They start calving the same window. You start tightening everything, and then those cows start to look more and more alike as you get'em all. To be more the same age. And so that's one of the things that I've tried to concentrate on was, um, tightening that cabin window, getting, uh, which basically the only way to tighten that cabin window for me has just been calling, which is something that I, I, if a cow doesn't breed you just color. So, uh, something I've found that, or I think is really cool when I'm out riding around, going through a pasture, like a spring or spring herd, and I see a cow, and then I might go two or three cows later and see one of her daughters mm-hmm. Or two of her daughters and maybe even a granddaughter. I, I just think that's really cool, um, because I feel like what you're saying, you're, you start seeing, if you start getting a, um. Very disciplined with your culling and your calving window, you start seeing a lot of that. You know, I don't really, I'm not really the type to hone in on a cow family, per se. Right. But I, I've really attached to some certain cows, kinda like basically what you're seeing, like with a mother, a daughter, or granddaughter, right? I attach onto certain cow, so there may be a cow within the Donna Cow family. That's, that does a really good job for me, right? I'm gonna attach onto that cow, and then I might have another one over here that doesn't do a very good job, but she happens to be a Donna too. I think what's interesting is that, that even, you know, you get these, these breeders that are just like, oh, she's a, uh, whatever, whatever she may be, she has to be good. That's not always true. It doesn't really work that way. It's all about starting. It has to start with a great cow somewhere. Right? Right. You can't just be a whole family of all'em. Be good. Joe, you touched on genetic progress just a second ago. I want to go back to that. Do you think you, you know, genetic progress to me is a little bit of a, I don't know, a very loose term almost, because I don't know that we are moving forward all the time. I don't know that we're moving forward, like people think we've moved forward because if you go back and use an old bull and he's outperforming these new ones, technically he shouldn't be doing that. If we're moving forward like we're supposed to be, am I correct or am I incorrect in that thought? Well, again, I'm gonna deflect like Corman did in my question. Also deflect politician. You deflect? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like don't def deflect hearings. I've been listening to him like that. Mark Wahlberg guy or whatever. Not Marick Wahlberg, but don't you? Hey, mark Quain. Mark Quain. Yeah, that guy. Um, ing, here's the funny thing about genetic progress, and I said this early on. That is the fear of having an entity defined genetic progress. In my mind, genetic progress is defined by the breeder. And if the breeder decides I wanna raise cattle that can crawl under gates,'cause I'm tired of unlatching my gates and so I wanna breed'em so small, they crawl under gates. Genetic progress. I know where you can go. I know where you can go get those genetic progress. Genetic progress might be. Finding the tiniest thing that's smaller than under the gate so that you can move them that way. Some people might define genetic progress as, Hey, I want to have all my cows ratio, 100 nursing ratio, every single one. You ratio 101, I'm gonna cut your head off. You ratio 99, you're gone. You can't do that. I don't think you can do all that either. I think it's an interesting goal. I've seen some people make of trying to tighten that window too, and there might be some merit to that. Who am I to say? But I really appreciate allowing the breeders and the free market to define genetic progress. Don't Hey, to our listeners. Don't go do that. Don't do that. I did that one time. You could don't. Hey, sort the bottom. Hey. Sort the bottom end off though. I mean the one ratio. No, but, but you really can't. If they breed up on time, don't get rid of'em. Corvin. I'm glad. I'm so glad that you said that. The bot back to bottom end. I had a really good friend a long time ago. I looked, I, I thought a lot of this old man. Um, do you remember, uh, CL Cook Joe in Georgia Brickton? Yeah. He was a brick player. Yeah. Brickton Angus. Yeah. Yeah. He told me one time he said, you can cut the bottom third off of your herd and all you did was make a new bottom third. And there's a lot of truth to that. You can keep chop chop one time. Chop and chopping. And chopping and you're just bringing them from the middle down the middle down. I had a guy tell me one time, if you, if you have two head, you have a bottom half head, do you know what you're probably doing there? Do you know what you're probably doing? If you cut the bottom third off that's doing their job and bringing back, you're probably keeping the bottom third of the, uh, you know, a little, a few more heifers that are probably bottom third ish. And instead of going forward, you're just keeping the bottom third, so then your bottom third becomes house. Don't keep the bottom third. What I'm saying is like, let's say people are getting rid of their bottom third of cows. Yes. And they say, well, I'm gonna get rid of my bottom third of cows and then I'm gonna keep a few more heifers. But what they end up doing is keeping the bottom third of the heifers. Does that make sense, Vince? Yeah. They'll be the bottom third cows in a few years. Exactly. So then they end up just replenishing their bottom third. Well, the thing about it is, is you're always gonna be it, you're, you're culling or your movement forward, or maybe that's genetic progress. Maybe it's not defined by a certain animal. Maybe that is your genetic progress. But if you're just trying to get your herd better, you're always g it's a, it's gonna be a constantly moving target. Because let's just say you say, okay, these 50 or 60 cows are my favorite 50 or 60 cows, we're gonna get rid of all the rest of them. What about when you breed those cows if you make a stupid decision? You just made some more bad ones, right? Even if you made the right decision, Vince, there's bad. There's gonna be bad. Yes. Yes. There's gonna be Cole's. I don't care. I don't care who the breeder is. There are cows that you can breed and make the right mating decision, and you have a flush of 20 of'em. There's gonna be three of'em that aren't worth the piss. It doesn't matter. That's okay. There should be just don't use the bull that only three of'em are good outta 20, because that was a really bad deal. Absolutely. Yeah, I've done that. So how about this? How many of you, how many times talking about consistency, have you guys found a cow, you flush her absolute eyeballs out, and then you're in the ranger like Vince is talking about, and you're like, man, I don't see any daughters of her. And then you have a cow that was like a borderline reci or something, and you're like, whoa. There's her daughter, her granddaughter, her great-granddaughter, like. Wait a minute, how smart actually am I? Because if I just let these things alone, yes. If I let'em alone, they're telling me the ones that are lasting. Yes. You know what, you know what happened to me though, Joe is I is my fall cows there are just turned out or whatever. And I had this cow that I had, I had missed her because she had a bull every year. Had a bull every year, had a bull every year, had a bull. Every year I have one daughter. And this year I finally looked up and I'm like, holy cow, this cow's ate at 1 0 4. How did I miss this cow? I ended up flushing her this year because it's because I have one daughter and that's it outta all these years. And so, um, I wanted to make some more daughters, so I flushed her one time. She made, uh, 18 embryos. I put all of them in fresh. And so hopefully we'll get a few daughters out of that deal. And she went right back into the cow herd, go right back to do her job. I she got flushed one dime, right. Corbin, you know, the easiest way to make more daughters of her. I would like to know, use one of those sons. That's fair. That's fair. She has a pretty dandy one on her this year too. And that's, that's what we did with a bull this year. There's a cow that, uh, actually oddly enough, the son, we, we still have, um, she has a daughter on her side now, but when that decision was made, she'd only had bull calves and it was like, well, how are we gonna get this influence? I could either flush her and flush her or I'm gonna use this son. So, um, do you know what the problem is with this cow, Joe? And, and what's that? She ratio 1 0 4, but she just never had, she never had one that was just one 20, just a stunner. Right. She, she just was consistent the whole time. So I literally That's really not a problem. That's awesome. No, yeah, totally. I missed her, but she's found now. So anyways, if Corbin, you mentioned some strategies like a couple topics ago and we probably all should have shared some strategies. You talked about culling, you talked about tightening your calving window, maybe one of these other, if we talked about strategies to increase consistency, uh, Vince talked about using less sars. Maybe I would also add, manage your expectations when it comes to nursing ratios. Like if you want to just have something that's just consistent, maybe we put more value to the ratio in a hundred and fours or the a hundred ones. And Corbin, I think you actually said that on the last pod when we talked a little bit about Pathfinders. But what do you all think of that? Like maybe we need to tone down our excitement over the Bulls, that ratio 115 at weaning, or 120 at yearling, and we need to get more excited about the ones who've consistently been the brother of the one right at 104. What do you think about that, Corbin? I mean. You just completely defined how I outsource and look for a bull. It's like I don't look for, I don't look for the bull. That's three. His mother might be three, one at one, three at one 12. But if that's the case, the grand dam's nine at 1 0 6, 9 at 1 0 2, 9 at 1 0 1 9 at nine at nine. I don't care whenever I know that grand dams is, has been consistent over a long time. Um, that, that kind of does it for me. So, Vince, you've said you like your commercial cows a lot, a lot like you and I have had that conversation. It's just you felt like it's easy. So easy. You just breed'em and you keep'em or call'em, and they're very, very consistent. What do you think is maybe different? You're gonna come and say, you're so wrong. These are not consistent. They're co, they're co consistently inconsistent. Well just hide'em when I get there. Okay. But what would you say that you do with that herd that makes them so consistent? Um, generally, so the only time I generally AI them is as heifers. I'll AI'em, they have their first calf, then they move to the embryo program, they get turned out with a bull. So I, what I usually do is just this year, as long as they're not related, I'll pick, say, okay, all the heifers this year are gonna get bred to high country. Next year, they're all gonna get bred to Titan. The next year they'll all get bred to Do you mean AI or you turned'em out? A ai ai Um, next year they might get bred to whatever lead, well legion's, not a heifer bull, but you know what I'm saying? Like, um, I kept one of, I collected a couple of those, uh, blaze on sons. I, I bred essentially it's whatever semen you have for that year that you have a lot. Yes. But it, but it's, it's my bulls, like I use new, I use new day. It's my bulls that I have a plethora of semen on that I know will be good bulls. They're highly, highly proven cis. And then, yeah. But, but see, like I had some semen in the tank that I knew would work for some heifer bulls last year, and I bred'em. And they're okay. I don't think they're gonna be maybe as good as those others. The biggest thing is they need to have nice udders. They need to milk and yeah, I would prefer'em to have good feet, but I can work around some of that because I'm not selling'em to anybody. As long as they're not lame all the time. As long as I'm not having to trim'em all the time. If their claws are, if their feet aren't perfect, they can still raise a calf. So I, you know, I want'em to have good feet, but, and, and it's easy if one of'em comes up and has a big freaking long turned up toe, when her calf gets winged, she can go. Mm-hmm. I don't have to stress about, well her mother was a$50,000 cow. Or I, you know, whatever that's a ET calf, or whatever it might be. You can just use the same good old fashioned fundamentals and say, she has a problem. She needs to go. Okay, so here's the topic. I mean, does that mean that marketing value can get in the way? Oh, a hundred percent. Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. I'll, I will call a spade a spade, and I'm not saying it's always easy, but I can see lots of folks, well, I, I gave 150,000 for her mother, so we can't call that thing. Yeah, you should. You really should. Because if you put something out there that is not a good animal and you're just hanging onto it because that mother was$150,000 cow or whatever, then you're putting a bad product out that's not gonna reflect well on that cow. Do you know that's what, this could be a podcast in itself, but that is what scares me for the longevity of our breed more than anything is its success because they are worth so much. Yeah. Who in their right mind is gonna buy a ween heifer calf for 80,000 and then find out she's not good enough and shipper. Well, they shouldn't be buying. We heifer cash for 80,000. I agree. But our success in this Angus business, the other side of that coin is the discipline required to show restraint on how many of those genes you're gonna put out into the wild. What about, go ahead. I don't know if people can afford that, Vince. I mean, what if somebody said, Hey, I found, I did all the research. I found the cow with the pedigree, the numbers, the look, the whole shebang, and I went and got this loan and I know this is my shot to buy a ranch, for example. I think there's people that have those discussions or this is my golden cow to be able to buy a set of cows so I could do something else. And then they get her, and maybe she doesn't breed first or second cycle or third cycle or whatever, but we get a calf on her and then, well, we gotta get more calves so that we can ride this marketing wave so that we can make some money because we gotta recoup these costs and all that. I guess what I'm saying is. When it comes to consistency as our centralized topic, the value alone inside of Angus cattle right now can be a stumbling block for this breed. What about when you think that's fair? Yes, but I'm gonna take it a step further. What about, and this happened to a friend of mine. What about if you spend 80, 85 grand on a heifer and you get her home and she don't even, she's not even in your top 10 of what you raised. What about that? So that's a hard pill to swallow and, and most people would start treading water and go, Hey, how do I, how do I recoup the cost on this animal and get rid of her? Maybe what we need to do, I'm just coming up with this on the fly spitballing. Maybe we need to think about that 80,000 spread across our entire herd. And we just say, she ain't no good. But that value went back to my own cows that are worth more than I thought. I'm a breeder and I'm gonna stay disciplined. Right. I think that's a lesson against spending$80,000 on a hef. Yeah. But I mean, it could be whatever. It could be 20. It could, it could be, it could be. You just name the figure, right. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a, it's a, it's a dollar amount that, uh, that the, I bought effort for 7,000 and that's a lot to me. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, uh, how do you be as tough on that one as you are the ones you raised? That's basically the question. And, and Vince, you have three cows right now. One of them would stand, in my opinion, a from what you've shown me, a little higher than all the rest. How do you even begin to put value on those three cows that can breed with the consistency that you're talking about, where you go, okay, I know this cow, when I give her FSH, it's not gonna be a fail. Uh, even if I choose a bull that didn't do everything perfectly. She works and I'm, I'm just thinking about your decal.'cause you started putting out pictures and stuff, but like, man, it, that's a pretty forgiving cow. And when you consider the value of our businesses, what's one like that worth? Right. Well, it it's a lot, right? Yeah. And I mean, it's, it's, it's really tough because I don't, I mean, I know you guys may do the same thing, but like sometimes I'll make a mating. That's just for me. It's not to be sold. I mean, yeah, they can be sold, but I don't know how many people would even be interested. But it's a mating for me to just keep back in my herd and then make sons and daughters out of those cows. And then I make matings that work both ways. You know, I can keep'em and they can work in the herd, or I can sell'em and they will be, um, hopefully, you know, uh, accepted well by the buying public or whatever. But it's, it's, you know, I mean, like you talk about, this could be a whole podcast in itself. It's hard finding bulls to use nowadays, to me. Do you think it's bulls? It's bulls. It's not, it's very hard. Well, it's both, but it's bulls. But if you say, if you say, um, it's hard to make, like I make you say I make matings for me. Right. That's what you say. Some, some matings, but it's because it's not because you couldn't sell the females you make out of those matings. It's because you can't sell the bulls out of those matings. Well, that, well, that's where you reverse sort. But you know, if I use a bull like Leachman right time or oh oh four EXT or 68 0 7 or 24 J or however many other bulls that you want to choose that are not in the name of genetic progress, air quotes, those bull those, I make those because the females will just work their tails off within my herd. Mm-hmm. Um, do those not, I mean, I, I might be freaking insane when I say this right now. I, I really feel like those are the ones that sell. They sell really well too, though. Well, I will say this. I sold on the female side. I was talked into putting a 68 0 7 in the sale last year and she, she sold very well. That was a good paper too. But she was good. I had no intentions on selling one of those. Right. I had all intentions. I just got the egg stuck really well. I think I put eight in and I got six heifers, but I reverse sorted it. Six of'em stuck. But my point, does that mean you got five more of those? I do. Chuchu, but my point is that, you know the, the bull thing to find now, it's like cable tv. You got 700 channels and you got nothing to watch. You know, you got all these bulls to choose from and none. None to use. And the most, lemme ask you this. I'm gonna ask you both. I'm gonna start with you. Corbin, Glenda, and then the mother of lot one. Mm-hmm. Have you ever used a clunker and had it not work with those two cows? Uh, only, only the only way that's happened would be the eggs just not sticking. So I've heard certain matings that the eggs didn't stick. Once we got'em on the ground, the, she might look like Glenda might look like hammered. Ha, do you know what she's gonna do? She's gonna breed, she's gonna raise one. She's gonna do it again. So, Vince, on your decal, have you ever used it for I have other cows, but, but I'm just saying as an example, I don't, right. I don't, yes. You're, you're sitting there thinking, man, could you please just mention one that I got for sale? Maybe. Maybe one that's maybe, maybe one that's still alive. How about that? You start, how about that? Let's start with one that's even breathing, Joe. Not even for sale. Hey. Okay, so you're closed. So you got this Chloe cow. Exactly. You're Chloe dad. Go. Awesome. So your Chloe Cow. Yeah. So good. She's so good. Have you used a clunker on her? In hindsight, you used a clunker and it was still pretty good. Okay. Can we go back to the decal? No, I'm, I'm, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just, but the decals a good example too, right? Yeah. It doesn't matter. It it, you've showed me sis that aren't even in the same sphere as each other and they have the same type. Yeah, they're the same kind of cattle. And that's what I'm trying to get to is those individuals, those cows, those are how I, how I define a power cow. Yeah. They dominate a mating no matter what you do. There's something different about'em that Isabel Cow is 100% that way. The Chloe cow, I don't know that they'd be bad, but they're just different. The decal makes'em exactly the same. I've used one bull that made'em different. One out of. I don't know. Was it good or bad? 15 makes, it's just different, good or bad? It's just, um, they're just different. Like he, he put a ton of frame in'em. They've still got a ton of belly, but they've got a longer skull. It's interesting. Still, still a, not a bad animal, not a coal by any means, but just di just totally different. Dominant. Dominant. Yeah. Where all the other ones, it didn't matter if you use oh oh four. If you used torque, if you used, um, any name, 50 other bulls. Have you seen, uh, have you seen a lot of progeny outta that bull that you're talking about? No. No. I would imagine, I would imagine if you had, yeah, they'd be pretty dominant towards what you're talking about, right? In instance, I wanna, I wanna dig into that, like after this podcast, you guys sent it to me.'cause I'm gonna look up that Bulls inbreeding coefficient and I'm gonna look up the decals. Inbreeding coefficient. What is that? I think it might be something there. Is that A EPD? No, no, it's an IBC. Oh, is that an EPD? I don't know what the hell that is. How do I quantify this? How do I quantify this? No, but the point I wanted to make though is, is just what I was saying is we have some of these cows that have a marketable pedigree, marketable set of numbers, marketable type, marketable, any number of things, and we start pouring the FSH to'em, and you find out they can't make two outta the same flush look the same. Right. And then you have some cows that you're like, man, it doesn't matter. She just raised AI calves her whole life. Or a cleanup calf that was three months later and they still catch up, right? They look the part. And so what is it about these cows? Is there something different in their mitochondrial DNA or is there something different in the base pairs that they present? Is there something different in the base pairs they pass on? Those are the things, if any of our listeners wants to know the things that keep me up at night, those are the things that I geek out about trying to figure out the why behind it. And it fascinates me because I want to be able to do that with a higher degree of accuracy. I want more power cows or dominating mating cows. The kind that you know what you wanna breed it to, no matter what you want. It's gonna do the same thing. And my theory guys, is that the ones that have a higher end breeding coefficient will do that with a higher degree of propensity. Do you know what you just described? No minutia. You just described a what a donor cow should be. Absolutely, absolutely. It, it, it shouldn't matter what that piece of paper says. It shouldn't matter what the pedigree says. What should matter is that you could breed her to the best bull out there or a goat. And the same, you're gonna get the calf to look the same, the consistent, you know, those cows we all have, like, I've got a cow in particular that I'm working with right now where I'm thinking, dude, I could do whatever I want. And it's really exciting to have that cow because, you know, a lot of these cows that I have, I'm like, man, I better keep it. I better, I better keep it tight. I better do this or that or that, you know, whenever I'm AIing them. But, no, it's interesting. And then, and then the last question I had to, to kind of put a bow on this is, is how consistent is consistent enough? Because when we go to bull sales, obviously you don't want all, I mean, you want'em all to look the same to an extent, but there's still, it doesn't matter what you do. There's variances. Yeah. So I, I know with everything we've said within this podcast, people are gonna kind of lose their minds and they're gonna just go crazy because they're like, how do I do all this?'cause this seems impossible. The reality is, it is impossible. Right? It's impossible. Maybe you keep the variances really small. It's it's, but it's always gonna be variances. Yes. But maybe keep'em small. Maybe keep it little, just, I don't know what it would be, but little things maybe we just concentrate on tighten it every, just, just a certain type and kind every year. Right. Just, just have a certain goal. Keep our goals the same. Maybe we just keep our goals the same. I think it's a great compliment when somebody tells me those cattle have a brewing look. Absolutely. It's one of the best compliments somebody ever can pay me, because that means that those cattle when used will put out something that looks relatively similar. I mean that's, that's always been my goal. And the hard part though, to Corbin's point, I know what you're saying. Like if we put 100 bulls together that all look the same, with the exact same genetic profile and the exact same set of numbers and stuff, there would be no way to value those cattle differently. Now, maybe your sale wouldn't have highs and lows and it would average the same. Mm. I don't know the answer to that. I think those ones that have just that fuzz of difference Vince was talking about. Those are the ones that end up being worth a lot more That inevitably Yeah. Worth a lot, lot more even. Yeah. Like, like Vince with, with his, the ones that are just for me, I would argue that the ones that are just for Vince might just accidentally have a little tick more value later on down the line with how you breed'em and how you made'em and what you do with them. I, I wouldn't disagree with that, but that's why I make'em for me and Absolutely. And then you can mess with them. I also feel like, yes, some people would be interested in buying'em, but it's a smaller group of people and it's more, honestly, it's more people that would appreciate that animal versus Yeah, absolutely. Versus somebody just, oh man, I love that animal. I wanna raise my hand and buy her, like, they can appreciate the whole thing. The, the animal itself, the pedigree. The history, the reality of the situation too, Vince, is that you know what you're getting when you do that mating and, and it's so well thought out that those daughters are gonna be able to go on and do exactly what you want'em to do because you're so honed in on exactly what your plan is with that cow in that mating, right? And so even the daughters are gonna have more value with their progeny. The the other thing you were talking about, having a hundred bulls that all are identical or whatever the problem there is, that's what you think is good. You're gonna have 400 people there that all have different opinions and you can get a lot of people that have a totally different opinion of what is good and. You could say maybe they're new to the business or maybe they're seasoned and you're not honed into what is good. You're just honed into what you like. Um, so the consistency thing could possibly work against you in that, you know, in that I would absolutely agree with that. They're 100% if your customers think differently than you, it's sort of like, it's sort of like the cereal box marketing that takes place in today's marketplace. It's really, really, like you said, um, if you use one sire, they will be probably more consistent. But what if some. Thing warranted or not comes out about that sire and the buying public. They're like, we can't touch that. That's the plague. It could be a genetic defect. What I was just fixing to say, what if you go buy a cow and you flush the hounds out of her and she lives at trans ova and you got 40 trans ova recepts with embryos standing there that just got off the truck and the cow comes out with a genetic defect the next day. Have had stuff like that happen? I have too. Yeah. So I, yeah. It's so funny you guys, this, this whole Charla deal, I've figured, been trying to figure out about P uh, yeah. It's so interesting that y'all mentioned that. So Corman, are you good with this one? Did you get all your questions answered? Because I have a bonus, I have a bonus question from, yeah, from the listener. Let's go. Brent Holmes who said he met you and knows you. What's up, Holmes? Yes, I do know Brent and I know his, so this is a fun one. Uh, it's his brother-in-law Will, yeah, he didn't mention that. He didn't mention that. But, um, Brent has taken a class years ago on ai, AI, not like Elon Musk ai, but more like select Cyrus, a BS ai. My neighbor calls it a, a and I Gen X, my neighbor calls it A and i. A and I. Okay, so A and I, A and I. Artificial and insemination both in the same setting. Yes. So Brent, Brent wants to know he's taken some classes and like anybody else, it's really risky because his a and i projects have to count. How do you become proficient once you've had the class, you got the certification, what do you do to become proficient? Vince, what'd you tell him? Uh, first of all, I'm the one that responded, so if you think it's a stupid answer, it's not Joe and it's not Corbin. It was all on me. Um, I think the more cows anybody can get in, if they're wanting the A and I or God dangit ai, um, if they're wanting the ai, I think the more cows you can be in, the better you're gonna get at it. Um, Blake started way after me and, but he also goes around and he help, he breeds his mother-in-law's cows. He breeds, uh, his neighbor's cows. He breeds for a guy down the road. He breeds from Mickey Allen. He's in a lot more cows than I am, and he's getting a headstart when we're breeding too because he, he will already, when we start breeding our cows, he'll already have been in 50 cows and he is just so much better at it than I am. But I still keep doing it instead of just saying, well, you're better at it than me. Just do it because that's not gonna get me anywhere. And I just think the more you can get in. So I told him, he mentioned he had some commercial cows, maybe, I think he said he had 20 or 30 registered cows. I don't remember what he said. But you know, maybe if you can set up 20 or 30 commercials too. Um, yeah. And, and, and do 50 or 60 or 40 or whatever every year instead of, and maybe even set your commercials up just to tick in front of your registered so you can get that rust off. Yeah. And then That's a good idea. Yeah. And then get in, you get in 20 cows before you even get into your registered one. Yeah. You know, the other thing I thought about too, um, you know,'cause he is worried about, he's worried about his cows falling behind. Yeah. And I thought set them cows up at 70 days. Why not? I mean. You know, you're, you might move them up a little bit, but, but if you think you're that rusty and you think you're only gonna get a handful of them bread and then that might keep'em, keep'em where they're Calvin, the same, same date would be the only thought behind that. Here's another one. I, I, I agree with both of you. You know, find one of your open cows, give her a shot of lu ice, um, and breed on that open cow. Do whatever you have to. Um, this is just a little different angle of that. If you are the main AI tech and AI tech on your operation, just start thinking what were to happen if you were to get hurt, what that would do to your operation. And so I've really made it a point over the past five years, Abby is very proficient, but. Maybe it's been 15 years since she bred a cow and just come over here and breed a cow. And we start with not the number ones, the number ones I breed. Um, and I did the same with Wyatt. Wyatt had taken an AI class. He'd bred a little, little known fact if he didn't come to work at Bruin, he was gonna go be a route breeder, I think for select cys at some dairy stuff is what he was considering. You gotta get your, your family, your friends, your employees. You gotta get'em in cows. Yeah. And maybe just don't give them the number one. Maybe go check'em. If you're a decent ai, you can go check that cow and make sure that they're in the right spot. Or what I would even do is I would just say, go ahead and deposit that semen and be done where you think it is, and leave the gun and I'll go check where you're at. And if I felt like they weren't in the right spot, I went and throw another straw and put in them. Now I'm at a spot where if Wyatt wants to breed. I just let him breed. If Abby wants to breed, I just let her breed because they are ab, we kept data and they are absolutely as proficient as me. I think a couple years ago, Wyatt didn't breed nearly as many, but his percentage was even higher than mine. So really encourage those other people because if something happens to you, boy, that's a big weak link in a purebred operation. I would say. Not having someone proficient AI in. So did I cut you off? Hey, we'll go back to, we'll go back to Josh too because I still can't even get my hand in a cow after I hurt my wrist. Josh helps me anyways. Go ahead Ben. So a couple different ways to maybe start about it is maybe the first year he mentioned he has somebody he pays and comes, breeds his registered cow, maybe pay that guy and you just set up 20 commercials. You get in them, you get it. 20, 30, whatever it might be, you get a little more comfortable the next year. Maybe you do the registers. And maybe you just do'em one time and you watch for reheat and you have him come do it the second time, maybe the third year, you're way more comfortable at all of it. And you, the biggest number one thing for me and Hunter when he, he and I went to AI school together and then when Hunter left Blake, I sent Blake to school. The biggest number one thing is when you get that preg check, that very first preg check, and you get one that you bred and you know you did it. It, it just, something changes in your brain and you're just like, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this. Yeah. So you don't even think about it after that. You just, I mean, Blake, the first year he bred and, and I said, he can breed circles around me now. The first year he bred, he's like, I, I just don't think I'm in the right spot. I don't, I don't, I don't. And I went and bailed him out. And that's the good thing about two of us, if we ha if one of us gets hung up, we switch. He comes out, I go in, I go, come out. He goes in and it's just something stupid that's little. The other one can usually get through it, but is it 90% mental? It's a lot. It's a lot. But that first year he was like, C, come C uh, Uhuh, I don't want your cows to be open. Come do it. And finally I just said, no, just do it. Yeah. Do you, are you remotely close to where you're supposed to be or you stuck. No, I th I think I Well then do it Now if you're stuck, that's different. Yep. But if you are just remotely close and you're just not a hundred percent sure on placement, go ahead and do it. Let's see what happens. And check your ego at the door. Yeah. That's the biggest thing is, um, that first preg check will so boost your confidence. I would agree. Even if you only get two out of 20, you're, you know, you can do it because you did it and you just gotta walk it. I mean, you gotta get through a lot of cows to get good at it. I mean, you've been bringing cows for a long time, Vince. I've been breeding cows for a long time. How many times do you still get a cervix or something? You're like, man, this is kind of crazy all the time. What the, what? This one's got a kinky all the time. We had a group of heifers this year. Never had, you know how when you go in, you hit that grizzly wall? It's just like grizzle. Yeah. And you can't pass it. We had a group of heifers. That they all had it and Blake kept messing with it. I said, I can't get it. You try it. And first one he said, I can't get it. You try it. And I couldn't get it. And uh, he kept fiddling with'em and he got through some, and by God when we pre checked, he got some of'em a I bread. Oh, be darn. Um, it, it was just, you just gotta sit there and manipulate. And that was the, that's the thing. Like the first year he was like, how did you get through that? And I said, I just sit there and I just kept fiddling with it. And I kept my rod still because it's real easy. You want to, like, you're playing the dgu fiddle with your rod. If you'll just keep your rod some pressure on it and you just keep manipulating that cervix a little bit or that whatever, then you can get right through it. Sometimes. Sometimes you just can't. So we need to do a ticks and tricks and tips to a and i. But when I was breeding on a commercial heifer project this year, um, you know, Carson's wife, Kaylee, um, she told me, she goes, you know what, if you get hung up, sometimes I'll just deposit just a little bit and it'll provide enough lubrication and really, and shoot right in. Wow. And I've started doing that, Vince, I mean, just, just enough to get a couple drops works right out. Really. You know, something like you're, it's like you're letting off the, the, like the seal, like the, you're gonna, you're gonna really think that I just can't mention AI and without bitching about the quarter CC straws. A and I But when you, okay. When you use your quarter CC straws mm-hmm. When I use, I wish I had something here I could. When I use, um, you need the, you need the cover of a 12 cc disposable syringe. That's the Right, that's what I need. Size. Okay. Okay. Yep. When you use your, your half ccs, do you use the deals with the little blue thing on the end? I use the green ones usually, but yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. It locks in there and it and it bottoms out. Correct? Correct. Yeah. Correct. Okay. The quarter CC straws stop about a quarter inch of the straws exposed. Do yours do that? It's sticking. You see like this right here? That's what it does. So guess what? Yeah. Yeah. It's a weak spot when those, those hard one ones stick sometimes. Listen, those hard ones we've gotten had to get right with trying to get through there. We pulled'em out, we couldn't get through there. We pulled'em out and it was bent like this instead of straight, they were bent like a hook and we put a new one on there and went back in the cow and got right through. But it's like that was just, it was like, God, what is going on here? Well, we had already had such a hard time with it. We kinked it over and that's happened more than what? That t wasn't the way to the end. Correct. Because it wasn't all the way to the end. Well, I said something to the ST guys and they're like, well, you got the wrong gun. Okay. What gun you suggest? This is the one we suggest. Send it to me. It was the same gun I was already using as doing the same damn thing. Mm. Blake had a different type of gun and his does the same thing. Is it a quarter and half Both gun? I've got a, do they make a I I've got a quarter gun. I've got a quarter and a half both Gun. They all do it. They all do it. I might, I might have met a listener that thinks you're a little. Loony, I'm not gonna say it. You know what? They can, I'm not gonna say it. They can come tell me to my face and I'll carry'em back there and show'em every problem with the freaking quarter CC straws.'cause they're a bunch of junk. And if this wasn't a family show, I would use my full vocabulary to explain what I really think about these quarter CC straws. And I have quite a th the, I told the listener, they seem a lot more fragile to me. Well, that's all I said. They're junk. I, I'm not a fan. They're junk. I am not a fan. It wouldn't even stay in the back of the Colorado. They would not. No they wouldn't. Okay. And the fcc, we're gonna find half CCC straws in the dirt. 300 years from now. They're gonna be archeologists with little paintbrushes. They'll be like, here's a cc, they're inbar emulation XT. What was that? You think? And then somebody's gonna be like, well I got a dinosaur bone here too. They will not find, they are not straws. But they're also come to find out not biodegradable. I just figured that out too. We're gonna find them as possible. May maybe What these people need to do with these quarter CC straws is use'em to stir their coffee. That's about all they're good for. That's gross. I wanna see that listener told me something. Oh no, they do drink a lot of coffee. Maybe that's what they should do with them. Use it for cream. They're good. Smizzle stick. Yeah, they probably, yeah, they, yeah. Well here's the deal. We talked about a lot of things. We gotta take it out and we get going because we're covering up too many topics. Um, Vince, you gonna take it away? Yeah.'cause Corbin's been hogging the take it away tumor deal. You gave it to me last time on the episode hand. Oh, did it? Okay. Go. Go Joe. Do you? Don't do it. Don't forget to say what I said on the last one. What did you say? I forgot. I said, God bless our troops. Oh, that's right. And the United States of America. That's Take it away, vet. I hope everybody stays safe. That is no joke. God bless our troops. Thank you for your service and God bless America And take it away to damn, damn. We will see you next time around the shoot.