NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD

In this episode, Pastor E uncovers the powerful truth behind Jesus’ words: “No man has seen God at any time.” 

Journey through Scripture, from Ezekiel’s throne-room vision to Isaiah’s encounter with the Lord, and discover what these moments reveal about God’s nature. 

You’ll also hear the remarkable story of a nine-year-old boy whose vision of God mirrors biblical accounts. 

Get ready to see God in a whole new light and realize He still reveals Himself to those who seek Him today.

Chapters

• 0:00 The Biblical Paradox of Seeing God
• 6:30 Understanding 'The Father' in Scripture
• 13:49 Jesus: The Only One Who Truly Knows God
• 25:22 Biblical Accounts of People Seeing God
• 36:28 Modern Encounters with God
• 40:21 A Child's Vision of God

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:18

What does the Bible really mean when it says no man had seen God at any time? Welcome to DIY Salvation, the podcast where you take responsibility for your faith journey. I am your host, pastor E, and today we are diving into a topic that has puzzled many believers. This particular episode is going to shift your perspective on your relationship with the Godhead. Let's dive right into it.

Speaker 1: 0:52

The book of John begins with a profound statement, but this particular statement, which is the topic of our discourse today, has caused confusion among many Christians. Let's take a look at the scripture. John 1, verse 18, says no man has seen God at any time. The only begotten son which is in the bosom of the father, he hath declared him. So, looking at this verse of scripture, at first glance it seems to say that no human being has ever seen God, because look at that. It says no man had seen God at any time. So it's saying, from eternity to eternity, like past, present, future, no man has ever seen God at any time. The only begotten son which is in the bosom of the father is the one who has declared him or shown him. Okay, so, but is that really what this verse of scripture is saying, that no man has ever, ever seen god, because we do know that. I mean, the bible tells us that there are people who have seen god. So how do we balance this particular verse of scripture being that even Jesus quoted it? He himself said it. John said it in John chapter 1, verse 18, and then Jesus also said the same thing in John chapter 6, verse 46. He said not that any man had seen the Father, save he which is of God. He had seen the Father. So now we see that this second verse now gives us an extra information by replacing the word God with the word Father. So it gives us a fresh perspective as to what Jesus was trying to convey. If you have listened to our previous podcast titled the Father in Me, you will already understand what those verses of scriptures are saying. If you haven't listened to it, go and find it. It is very, very important Because the Father is a term that Jesus oftentimes would use to depict the Godhead in his state of oneness. As you already know, god is one indivisible being, but he is capable of three distinct persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost. Anyone is okay. Now this one indivisible being is the Father. Remember, god is one, yet he's three. So when he's one, he's the father. When he's three, you can make references to the Holy Spirit, you can make references to the Papa God, you can make references to the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. Okay, so this is because it takes the reason why Jesus said this right, the reason why Jesus made that statement. You know that no man has ever seen God at any time, you know, except the son. The reason why he would say that is because it only takes a member of the Godhead to see the Godhead. I don't think that angels have even ever attained to this level of knowledge.

Speaker 1: 4:20

You know, the other day I was, I came across a video by this man who said he had entered into the heart of God and he called the heart of God. You know, he said God took him there. I didn't really listen to the. I haven't really watched his entire testimony. I think he was making. He was talking about something else and then he made references to that and that was what I picked from the conversation was that he had entered into the heart of the father. Yes, that's how he put it. He said the heart of the father and he called the heart of the father. He talked about the heart of the father as if it was a place, a place where he went to and he could see the entire, or experience the entire universe at once, you know? So that's, I mean, it got me curious. I don't, like I said, I don't know the entire details of what he said, but you would see that he already he's close to some truth. Okay, he's, but I it could be the truth Again, I don't know the entire story. Some truth, okay, he's, but I it could be the truth Again. I don't know the entire story, but, yes, you know, when he puts it like this, he understands that the father is not only a being. The father could be a place. You know what I mean, okay. So, um, if you don't know what I mean, well, maybe another broadcast I'll break it down, okay, so.

Speaker 1: 5:35

So Jesus was saying that there is no human living who has been able to experience God in that aspect, apart from him. He said the only begotten son. That means except the only begotten son. The reason why the only begotten son is able to have this level of understanding or knowledge or interaction with the Godhead is because he himself is God, he's also in the Father and he is the Father. Again, if you're confused, you have to go look for a previous broadcast the Father in Me.

Speaker 1: 6:14

Okay, so for us to understand those two verses of scriptures and how they come together. Of course we have to understand what the term the father means, but not just that. We also want to look at the word sin. It says, for no man had seen God at any time, and that word is Horao. It's a word that doesn't just mean to see with the physical eyes, but it also means to clearly understand, recognize, experience, something so deeply like, interact with it so deeply. It goes beyond seeing with the physical eyes, and not just that it talks about.

Speaker 1: 6:51

So if we put this thought together right, it's saying that what Jesus is saying is that no man, no human being, has ever seen God in his oneness, has ever interacted or been in that oneness, except Jesus. All right, that's what Jesus was saying. So when he said no man has seen God, he wasn't saying that no one had ever physically seen a manifestation of God. People all over the world, people through the ages that's the word I'm looking for People through the ages have seen God, have seen God, okay, but God, you know, they've seen physical manifestations of God, but no human has ever fully understood or experienced God in his complete nature as Godhead, as the Father. Again, it only takes God to know God that deeply. It is a place that is exclusive for only God.

Speaker 1: 8:00

So it only makes it now makes sense why Jesus is the only one who could attain this. Because he is the only begotten son. He was, he was already God. Then he became begotten of the father as son and then he became, you know, human, you know, and died for the sins of men. And now in the Godhead there is a human being who is representing the Godhead as God. God is just so awesome, don't you think so? You know, jesus never left the Godhead, he was always in the Godhead. And even when he says for in him, that means in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Wow. So no human being, no angels, have had the ability to fully comprehend God the way Jesus does. We can use past tense for Jesus now. So only someone who is part of the Godhead the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit can truly know God in his entirety.

Speaker 1: 9:26

And Jesus's mission was very broad. He was about miracles. He was about teachings, but he was also about revealing God to humanity. Before Jesus came, people had limited knowledge of God. Some people heard his voice, others saw his power, some even encountered his presence, but only Jesus had seen God in his fullness, because he himself is God in human form, hallelujah. And through Jesus, glory to God. The fullness of God was made known to mankind. And now, through Jesus, we have access to a knowledge of God that was once hidden. Now, although we have access, that doesn't mean that everybody's going to walk in it, you know. It doesn't mean that everybody's going to experience it. Also, because you can only experience as far as your knowledge goes.

Speaker 1: 10:21

Okay, now there's a third scripture that also creates such controversies, which is also John, chapter five, verse 37., and it says that the father himself, which had sent me, had borne witness of me. Jesus is speaking. Then he says you have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape. So because now you already know who the father is, it makes it very clear. If you were reading it, imagine that the father was just, maybe just God, and not that is the fullness of the Godhead. You know, you would probably miss the point of what Jesus was saying. He says the father himself who has sent me had borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape. Okay, so some people use this verse to argue that no one can hear or see God. They even reject testimonies from people who claim to have encountered God. But you can see that this verse supports what I have just explained.

Speaker 1: 11:24

Take note of the use of the word the Father, the Father himself Indeed. Up until that time, nobody had ever interacted directly with the Father. And also, if we look carefully at Jesus' words, we see that he was speaking also to a specific group of people, not necessary to all of eternity. He was addressing religious leaders who had never truly experienced God, even though they were supposed to know him, being that they were serving in the temple, but they didn't know him. And he was not also saying that no human being in history has ever heard or ever seen God. He was talking about the fact that no human being had ever interacted with the Godhead in his fullness. And not just that. Again, we have to read it within context. He was talking to a particular group of people and showing them that they were truly clueless about the Godhead and not to talk about them interacting intimately with him. So, over the ages, god has gradually revealed himself to people. Gradually he did that. People All right. Gradually he did that.

Speaker 1: 12:37

So, and the manifestations of God that people saw, they've either always been you know, god the father, or God the son, or God the Holy spirit. People have had different manifestations of God, epiphanies of God, but never the fullness of God. I mean, man wouldn't know what to do with such information, even if there was a way man could interact with him like that. You know, because have you seen the universe? Like just the observable universe alone, you know. It just tells you how big God is. You know the galaxies, the universe is expanding and to think that God actually lives outside of time, like the entire universe shows us just how much time, you know, expands to. You know how far time goes, you know, and God lives outside of all of that, like all of that could just be in the palm of his hands. You know what I mean. So how big is God? How powerful, how awesome is he? And yet he could enter into time at any time, walk as a man, talk as a man, even eat as a man. How big is God indeed? Okay.

Speaker 1: 13:49

So over the years people have had such interactions with God, but never has any man seen God in his fullness, the God of glory in his fullness. I don't think any man can stand it. I think the force of electromagnetic energy, you know, the force of his throne, the force of glory alone, I don't think any human being can actually withstand that, and probably that's the reason why no man has ever. And if any man has now, maybe it's because he was strengthened, you know, just like how Isaiah was strengthened. Okay, but now, even now that we have the indwelling Holy Spirit, people still struggle to understand this teaching, not to talk of back then, you know how would? What would they do with such information? So only Jesus, the son of God, has fully seen, known and revealed the complete nature of the father, and now, through him, we now have the opportunity to know God in a way that was never possible before, and this is the greatest revelation of all.

Speaker 1: 14:57

So let's go back to our original question has anyone ever seen God? The answer is yes. Many people throughout history have seen God. God has revealed himself many times throughout history because he desires to be known by us. He desires to be known by people. So let's go back to our original question. Many people have had encounters with God.

Speaker 1: 15:20

The Bible records several instances of individuals seeing God, hearing his voice and experiencing his presence. It was started in the book of beginnings, in Genesis, chapter 3, from verse 8 to 11. We actually see that Adam saw and talked with God On another occasion. Abraham hosted God for lunch. I really like the story. He hosted God for lunch physically in his home. I remember the first time I read this story by myself in the Bible, I was really truly taken aback. You know this you can find in Genesis, chapter 18, from verse 1 to 16. God accepted Abraham's food offer Okay, and he actually ate the meal, the meal.

Speaker 1: 16:06

I remember back then my cousins would say that you know, spirits will tell us stories of how they encountered spirit. Of course they're all lies, but the back then, you know we all just carry stories that were just made up, stories of how they saw spirits or they saw ghosts, and that you would serve a ghost food and the next minute the food would just disappear. You know why would a spirit even need physical food, like it just never occurred to me back there, right, you know so. The food. And then all you see stories of where you know the food will fall. The spirit will eat the food and the food will come out, you know, through their tummy or something. It will just come out of them. There was no way of them digesting the food, which means that spirits don't have digestive. You know organs, just like in the movie Pirates of the Caribbean. You know the saliors that were cursed, you know so. They eat and they drink. They're never satisfied because it's somehow just coming out of their tummy, from an imaginary hole somewhere of their tummy. You know so, um, but in this particular verse of scripture we actually see god. He ate the food. Do you see god ate the food? Know, god looked like a man. This particular verse of scripture.

Speaker 1: 17:25

Later on, when Jesus was speaking, like years later, jesus was speaking to the Pharisees. He told them. He said even your father, abraham, rejoiced to see my day. In other words, jesus was saying that this person who had come to visit Abraham, who had promised Isaac, who ate food with Abraham, the person who said to Sarah why did you laugh? You know that this same person is Jesus himself, you know, and the people were so livid that they were going to stone him to death. But yes, this person was Jesus. So Abraham did see God Right. But yes, this person was Jesus. So Abraham did see God right, and God was a spirit being. He ate the food that Abraham gave to him and he spoke like a man.

Speaker 1: 18:56

Also, moses and his 70 elders also saw God and they had lunch with him. They ate in his presence. The Bible records that they ate and saw God, and yet they did not die. This is Exodus, chapter 24, from verse 9 to 11. God was seated on his throne of justice and majesty while they had this lunch. Afterwards, moses privately met with God and witnessed God inscribing words on a stone tablet. That's in Exodus, chapter 24, from verse 12, also chapter 31 and verse 18. According to Jewish history, that particular stone I don't know how true it is, but the particular stone used for the Ten Commandments was cut from the sapphire stone beneath God's feet on his throne.

Speaker 1: 19:49

We also experience Moses having a moment of deep connection with God In Exodus, chapter 33, verse 18 to 23, when Moses requested to see God's glory. Okay, in verse 11, the Lord had spoken to Moses face to face. That's what the Bible records that God spoke to Moses face to face and in case you don't understand maybe you think that face to face was not literal he now explains that it's as a man speaketh unto his friend face to face. That means Moses was looking at God's face, in other words the glory. You know the brightness. That light was turned off because really no human being can actually face to face with the glory and live, because it's quite some, some energy, some spiritual energy there. You know that the human body cannot withstand. But God turned it off and Moses looked at God's face, face to face, and they spoke. He said he spoke as a man speaketh unto his friend.

Speaker 1: 21:01

In verse 18, moses sought for more. He was not. It was not enough for Moses to just see God face to face. He wanted to see God in the fullness of his glory. Wow. And God responded. He said I'll make all my goodness goodness is still glory pass before thee and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious and I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy. But you can't see my face, for there shall no man see me and leave.

Speaker 1: 21:35

So is this contradictory? Because in verse 11, you can see that Moses already saw God's face, face to face, and now he's saying oh, oh, you can't see me and leave. No, it's not contradictory, is that? If you, if I show you my face, like as I truly am, you know the fullness of my glory, because that's what moses asks for. He says there's no way you're going to be alive. Your human body cannot carry that level of energy. You will not be able to withstand it.

Speaker 1: 22:08

Okay, so Moses desired to witness God's full glory, but God explained that no mortal could endure such an encounter. However, see to tell you that God was not like no, no, no, no, it's because I'm all holy. That's why you may not see me. No, he allowed Moses a glimpse of his glory while shielding him from harm. So it shall come to pass. This is what God said. It shall come to pass, while my glory passes, that I will put thee in a cliff of the rock and I will cover thee with my hand while I pass by. Isn't God just an amazing father? And I'll take my hand away and you'll see my back part, but my face shall not be seen, wow. So note that God makes references to his hand, his face, his back parts, and also he also um, he also hid Moses when his glory passed by. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1: 23:06

Now we look at another example Jacob. Old testament also saw God evil wrestled with God. Wow, you know, like this old testament, folks used to do some really crazy stuff. Right, they were, they were, they were courageous. So Genesis, chapter 32, verse 24 to 30, recounts how Jacob wrestled with a man until dawn when the man saw that Jacob was prevailing. How do you even fight with God, how do you even wrestle with God and win? It's not even possible. So we just know that. You know it's like a father and a son having, you know, like a play wrestling, you know. And then you know, the son beats the daddy and he says, yeah, I've won that kind of thing. But Jacob wrestled with a man until dawn when the man saw that Jacob was prevailing, he touched Jacob's tie, dislocating it. Did God cheat at this wrestling match? Again? You now ask yourself, like so if you could do this all the while, why wrestle all through the night with Jacob until morning? You know, if you could, just, you know, do just a little touch, and that was it.

Speaker 1: 24:26

Yet Jacob refused to let go until he received the blessing. So Jacob even knew it was God. Like what kind of people were these men anyways, he even knew. So he held him. He said you're not going to go until you bless me. I was like this is my encounter, this is it for me. I mean, like I don't have any family anymore, I have nothing, I've lost everything. You have to bless me. And Jacob called the name of the place, peniel. And then he said look at his testimony. I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved. So all the while he knew it was God and he wrestled him.

Speaker 1: 25:09

It shows, of course, jacob's perseverance and faith, and we have a lot to learn from this particular verse of scripture, because some of us are still wrestling with God, you know, and the worst part is that God is in you, the Holy Spirit is in you, and you wrestle with him all the time, you know, and Jacob, kind of like, prevailed. But I don't see how you're going to prevail if you don't do the right thing, do what God tells you to do in this dispensation, because he's there to. He serves as your guide, he serves as your eyes we live in a dark room. He serves as your helper. You know he serves as your sponsor, so you really want to work in partnership with him and not to wrestle him or to fight him. Okay, and some people still we still use some of some people, still use this Old Testament and they say, okay, we're wrestling. No, no, no, don't wrestle with God, just do as you're told. There's no need anymore. Jesus already won the battle. Right now you just need to enjoy it, and you can only enjoy it if you just follow the leading of the Spirit. Okay, but the part of perseverance and faith, yes, jacob's perseverance and faith is something that we need to emulate. You know to stay. If the Lord tells you something, now stay with it. If he gives you a prophetic word, you don't know how it's going to come to pass, hold on to it as a light in a dark place until the day star arises in your heart.

Speaker 1: 26:43

All right, in Judges, chapter 13, verse 1 to 23, we see that Samson's parents also encountered God, and it describes how an angel of the Lord appeared to Manoah's wife prophesying the birth of Samson. When the angel ascended in the flame of an altar that they had set up, manoah realized that he had seen God. Manoah said to his wife we shall surely die because we have seen God. Initially they thought it was an angel, but then the realization came. Revelation came that they had seen God. However, his wife reassured him that God would not have revealed such things to them if he intended to kill them.

Speaker 1: 27:26

Ezekiel saw God on his throne, enclosed in fire, describing him as having the appearance of a man. And above the firmament that was over the heads of the cherubims, was the likeness of a throne as the appearance of a sapphire stone, and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness of. This is Ezekiel, chapter 1, verse 26. Ezekiel saw God's glory as fire. It's in the book of Ezekiel, chapter 1, that you see the proper definition of the glory of God, emphasizing the brilliance and the majesty of his glory. Emphasizing the brilliance and the majesty of his glory.

Speaker 1: 28:07

Isaiah also saw God seated on his throne. Isaiah, chapter 6, verse 1, says in the year that king Uzziah died, I saw also the Lord sitting upon the throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Seraphim surrounded God, proclaiming his holiness, and Isaiah was so overwhelmed that he recognized his own unworthiness. Daniel had a vision. I love this Daniel's vision because he had a vision of both God the father and God the son as two distinct beings. Daniel, chapter 7, verse 9. He said I beheld, till the thrones were cast down and the ancient of days did sit whose garment was white as snow and the hair of his head like the pure wool. His throne was like the fiery flame and his wheels as burning fire. Verse 13 says I saw in the night visions and behold, one like the son of man came with the Ancient of Days, god the Father, and then you see the Son of man, the Lord Jesus, two distinct beings.

Speaker 1: 29:22

Even in modern times, people have testified to seeing God, though often shielded from his full glory. As Ezekiel described, god's throne resembles a chariot drawn by four mighty cherubim, each with four faces, making a total of 16 faces. Okay, ezekiel, chapter 1, verse 10 says as for the likeness of their faces, the four had. Chapter 1, verse 10 says okay. So the bible represents multiple accounts of individuals seeing god, each revealing different aspects of his nature, and I can tell you that even today, people all over the world have been having these interactions with god. People see god, people see jesus. There are many stories you know. Long before now, we used to be so fascinated by the news stories, but I tell you many more people, muslims, people of all races, people of all religions. They are seeing God, having interactions with God. You know, and if you want, you could ask him. If he grants you insight, why not? If that is what you desire, why not?

Speaker 1: 30:39

You know, I remember when my son was nine years old, one night, shortly after he had gone to bed, he suddenly ran back to me. He had gone to bed but, and I thought he was asleep, and then suddenly he ran back to me in the sitting room and he said mom, I just saw Papa God without the light. So, um, I understood what he was saying, because he had previously seen God before enveloped in the glory, so he couldn't see his face really. But then he continued. He said I saw his face clearly without the fire. So of course I was thinking about and immediately I had to start questioning him, you know. So I said was it a dream? He said no, I just closed my eyes and the vision came.

Speaker 1: 31:14

I said how did you know it was God? He said mom, when you see God, you just know it's him and truly, that was just the right answer. You know, like when you see you know, like if you were to go to heaven and you meet David. You've been reading about him, you don't know what he looks like, but the moment you get to heaven, the moment you see David, I guarantee you would know it's him. You know, it's revelation knowledge. There's a Noah inside of you. It's revelation knowledge, you just know.

Speaker 1: 31:39

So he said mom, when you see God, you just know it's him. So I knew he was saying the correct thing. So he said he also added and said nobody needs to tell you. So I looked at him. So I was like were you deliberately trying to see into the realm of the spirit? He said no, mom, I was just going to bed, I wasn't even praying, I just closed my eyes and I saw him. So I'm like okay, tell me what you saw. He said I saw Papa God. He used this term. You know. You know that this is someone who has some bit of information. So he said I saw Papa God, to be able to distinguish God, the Father, from the Son and from the Holy Spirit. So I asked again how do you know it was Papa God? He said because he was sitting on the throne, you know.

Speaker 1: 32:23

So he said boom, he's bigger than anyone that has ever lived. Yet it was almost my size At 10 year old. Well, nine year old, he was going to be 10 the next month. At nine year old, my son was not really like a tall kid. No, he wasn't really tall. I mean, most of his classmates were already like quite tall, but he wasn't. He was praying that he was going to be tall, you know that kind of thing. So he wasn't so tall. So for him to say God is bigger than ever you could ever imagine. And yet he was almost his size. He says I don't know how to explain it, but it was like he was coming down to my level. Does it just make sense to you that this is how this is the personality of God? He sense to you that this is how this is the personality of God? He says I don't know how to explain it, but it was like he was coming down to my level. And then he said the vision kept on moving up and down, like it was bobbing up and down, and so I was able to see him from head to toe he has.

Speaker 1: 33:14

He said something very spectacular. He said he has white afro hair, a square shaped face and he wore sandals on his feet. So I couldn't help but think how cliche that sounded, because remember all the popular depictions of Jesus wearing sandals, right. So he continued and he said he also wore the whitest robe, with a very big golden sash around his shoulder. I even saw the embroidery on his sash. So when I proved further about the design, he described some intricate details that seemed oriental, you know, but because it's yeah, that's just how he described it.

Speaker 1: 33:54

And I asked him what else did you see? He said, mom, why does Papa God have a lion beneath his throne? Does he have pets? Then he added I also saw other animals. And I said what kind of animals did you see? He said one was a lion, then another was an eagle, I saw a deer and another one at the back, but I couldn't see it clearly. So he only just saw three, three faces. So I asked did you see their bodies? He said no, I didn't. They looked like they were reclining just behind the throne. He said, mom, what are those beings? I answered I said they're called the cherubim.

Speaker 1: 34:32

Apparently, you only saw one face of each of them because you described sorry, one face of each of them. He said he described four faces, but in reality they actually have 16 faces. He said he couldn't see the one at the back. Okay, so he knows that there were four, but in reality they actually have 16 faces together. And then I had to read to him Daniel's description of the Ancient of Days in Daniel, chapter 7, from verse 9 to 10, from verse 13 to 14, as well as John's account in the ancient of days in Daniel, chapter 7, from verse 9 to 10, from verse 13 to 14, as well as John's account in the book of Revelation. Just so that I can balance this, I would like to just read that quickly and then we would end this broadcast.

Speaker 1: 35:15

Revelation, chapter 1, from verse 12 to 16, says and I turned to see the voice that spoke with me and being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks and in the midst of the seven candlesticks was like unto, the son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot and gird about the paps with a golden girdle. So does it sound like what my son saw? His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire and his feet like onto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace and his voice as the sound of many waters and he had in his right hand seven stars and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword and his countenance was as the sun shined in his strength. So I pointed out how I mean that's the end of the scripture. I pointed out how this Bible describes his hair like wool, because to a child, hair like wool would resemble Afro textured hair. That's why he said he has white Afro hair.

Speaker 1: 36:23

However, it doesn't mean that, you know, god is a black man. I mean, like people just go off on a tangent sometimes. You know, it doesn't mean that God is a black man or that his hair is truly Afro textured. God's form, his bodily form, is of a higher spiritual nature, beyond earthly comparisons. We cannot compare. We can only use what we see on a daily basis to be able to say, okay, look like this. Yeah, so God's form is of a higher spiritual nature, beyond earthly comparisons.

Speaker 1: 36:53

After reading these passages also, I went through Ezekiel, chapter 1, with my son, comparing the scriptural descriptions of the cherubim with what my son saw. You know that it's evident that indeed my son had seen God, because, coming from a nine-year-old who does not really know the details of this scripture, these Bible verses, and he just said, like that we always have to compare what we see. You know David back in the day, when David, back in his days, when David was designing the temple, if you go back and read the accounts of those designs, you will see that David also had an idea David had seen God. In fact, some of his Psalms, when he says that God bent the clouds and he came down and you know he was, smoke was coming out of his nostrils, there were some kind of things that David uttered. You just know that he had been in a vision and he saw God. You know images of God.

Speaker 1: 37:51

Over the years, over the ages, people who knew God interacted with him. They knew what he looked like. They knew what they were talking about when they said God. You know when they said God Almighty, they knew this whole thing about Santa Claus. You know the caricature of Santa Claus. If you look closely, you would know that it's just a caricature of God Almighty, just so that when you hear about it, when it comes to you as it's supposed to be, you would doubt it immediately because you've made fun of it. You know that Santa Claus, yes, they've always been saying that Santa was going to keep gifts. He never did. I mean, there's no such thing as Santa. So that's what you get to learn as you're growing older that Santa is just a figment of the imagination, it's just a fairy tale story kind of. You know and that's it. But then when you now find out that Santa Claus was just a caricature of who God really is and what Satan was trying to do was make you not to believe, when you eventually know who God really is, you know, then you really feel sorry, sorry for yourself, really.

Speaker 1: 38:58

So the question now is that why would God choose to reveal himself to a little child who seemingly had no use for such a vision or such an information? You know, at that time, you know, coban had mentioned something to him, something else. Then, that's, my son had mentioned something else. He had said that the vision, as the vision moved up and down, the proper God had the knowing smile on his face, as if he understood what he was trying, as if he understood that he was trying to memorize quickly, memorize every detail before the vision faded. Okay, but so that means god just showed him. I don't know whatever reason it is, but he just showed him it was not for maybe a particular you know. I mean I know a lot of people. You know, once you just have a vision of God, you think you're very special. I mean you were special. I'm not, I'm not trying to, you know, doubt. No, you're really special.

Speaker 1: 39:49

But really, god wants us to have more and more of those encounters with him. It shouldn't be like, wow, you know, once in a while, or one person out of a million getting such encounters. No, god really wants to have such. He wants to be so close to you that he could have as many. It will no longer be an encounter anymore because he's as as a friend. Speak it with us as a man, speak it with his friend face to face. Do you get? Because it's no longer a special encounter, it's only a special encounter if it's not happening that frequently. Do you? You get what I mean the moment it's happening frequently, then it's beyond. I mean it's beyond. You don't make it like, seem like a special thing anymore because it's normal. Now you know. So we should practice normalizing encounters with God. That's what I'm trying to say. In other words, okay, interestingly, two days before this experience had happened.

Speaker 1: 40:40

I discussed with another minister and this minister was had been talking about how god, you know, is trying to. You know, like maybe god doesn't want to be known, and I said no, no, no, no. God desires to be known, and the fact that he revealed himself to a young boy who was simply going to bed, who wasn't praying or engaged in any spiritual activity at the moment, proves that god sometimes just wants to be seen. You know, my son also emphasized that this time around, when he saw God, he didn't see him with the usual blinding glory. That means God can choose to dim his glorious light so that men may behold him more clearly. That's it for today's episode of DIY Salvation. If you were blessed by this teaching, don't forget to subscribe and share this podcast with someone who needs it. Until next time, keep seeking, keep growing, keep walking in the truth of God's word, keep taking responsibility for your faith journey. God bless you. Bye-bye, thank you.